How a Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception

How a Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception ![rw-book-cover](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WrWfY9kKU0s/maxresdefault.jpg) 🔗 **Source:** [How a Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWfY9kKU0s) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: #charismatic-churches #pastoral-accountability #conspiracy-theories #ufo-disclosure #christian-discernment #misinformation #ecclesiastical-governance > author: Mike Winger > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWfY9kKU0s > date created: 2024-12-19 10:30 > > # 🏷️ Title: How A Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception >  ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Investigate claims before amplifying them — viral misinformation spreads rapidly #christian-discernment - [H2] Establish accountability structures in pastoral networks — prevents unchecked claims #ecclesiastical-governance - [H3] Address cover-up culture in charismatic circles — transparency over reputation #pastoral-accountability ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [[#📝 Summary]] - [[#📖 Main Content]] - [[#🗒️ Notes]] - [[#📚 References]] - [[#🗣️ Paraphrase]] - [[#📰 Newsletter]] - [[#✅ Action Items]] - [[#🧪 Hypotheses]] - [[#📊 Methodology]] - [[#❓ Questions]] - [[#🔮 Future Research]] - [[#💡 Implications]] - [[#🧠 Learning Styles Assessment]] - [[#📊 Accessibility Assessment]] - [[#🌍 DEIB Assessment]] - [[#✅ Logical Validity]] - [[#🛡️ DARVO Analysis]] - [[#🎯 Conclusion]] ### 🔗 References - [Original Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWfY9kKU0s) - [Perry Stone Audio Evidence](referenced in video) - [Congressman Eric Burlison Response](referenced in video) ## 📝 Summary - Several charismatic pastors made false claims about secret government briefings on UFO disclosure - Perry Stone, Alan Dio, Larry Raglin, and Tony Merkel created viral misinformation about meeting with government officials - Claims included reptilian creatures, non-human spacecraft materials, and warnings about the "great falling away" - News outlets picked up the story due to multiple pastors confirming each other's accounts - Reality: Meeting was with freelance "Christian intelligence operators," not government officials - Demonstrates broader problems with accountability and cover-up culture in charismatic circles ## 📖 Main Content This analysis examines how several charismatic pastors created viral misinformation about alleged government briefings regarding UFO disclosure. The incident reveals systemic issues with accountability structures in certain charismatic church networks and demonstrates how unverified claims can rapidly spread through religious media ecosystems. The controversy began when Perry Stone claimed government officials briefed pastors about forthcoming alien disclosures, including "reptilian entities" and materials "not from this earth." Other pastors, including Alan Dio and Larry Raglin, validated these claims on social media, leading to widespread news coverage. However, subsequent investigation revealed the meeting was actually with freelance researchers, not government officials. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=0) — [H1] Introduction to viral claims - Key idea: Charismatic pastors made false claims about government UFO briefings - Evidence: "A group of charismatic pastors are operating without any seemingly without any reasonable or proper accountability" #### ⏱️ [02:30](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=150) — [H2] Perry Stone's credibility issues - Key idea: Perry Stone has documented history of inappropriate behavior - Evidence: Audio recording of Stone threatening suicide when confronted with multiple misconduct allegations #### ⏱️ [05:45](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=345) — [H3] Original viral claim - Key idea: Stone claimed pastors briefed by government on alien disclosure - Evidence: "There's going to be a release concerning aliens... very strange reptilian looking creatures" #### ⏱️ [08:15](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=495) — [H2] Social media amplification - Key idea: Other pastors confirmed Stone's claims, creating credibility - Evidence: Alan Dio tweeted "It's absolutely true. I was there" #### ⏱️ [12:30](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=750) — [H1] Media coverage explosion - Key idea: News outlets ran stories based on multiple pastor confirmations - Evidence: Headlines from Christian Post, Charisma, MSN about "secret government briefings" #### ⏱️ [15:20](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=920) — [H2] Larry Raglin's fabricated congressman story - Key idea: Raglin claimed specific congressman warned pastors about deceptive alien narrative - Evidence: Detailed account of congressman allegedly saying aliens would claim to be humanity's creators #### ⏱️ [20:45](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1245) — [H1] Congressman's denial and correction - Key idea: Congressman Eric Burlison denied Raglin's claims - Evidence: "I don't even know what their meeting was fully about... nothing like what Larry Raglin said" #### ⏱️ [22:30](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1350) — [H3] Raglin's insufficient apology - Key idea: Raglin apologized but claimed he just mixed opinion with facts - Evidence: Video evidence shows he made identical false claims multiple times #### ⏱️ [25:10](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1510) — [H2] Alan Dio's backtracking - Key idea: Dio walked back government involvement claims under scrutiny - Evidence: "The government didn't call the meeting. It was a private group of Christian intelligence operators" #### ⏱️ [28:40](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1720) — [H1] Winger's initial critique - Key idea: Author called for clarity before facts emerged - Evidence: Video of Winger questioning claims while melting styrofoam, asking for transparency #### ⏱️ [32:15](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1935) — [H3] Personal attacks on critics - Key idea: Dio attacked Winger for questioning the narrative - Evidence: Called Winger an "ambulance chaser" with "Candace Owens type conspiratorial mind" #### ⏱️ [35:50](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=2150) — [H2] Reality of the meeting revealed - Key idea: Meeting was with freelance researchers, not government officials - Evidence: Tony Merkel's clarification that attendees were private investigators ## 📚 References - [Perry Stone Audio Recording](referenced but not directly linked) - [Congressman Eric Burlison's Statement](referenced in analysis) - [Various News Articles](Christian Post, Charisma, MSN coverage mentioned) - [Social Media Posts](X/Twitter posts from pastors involved) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - Charismatic pastors created viral misinformation by falsely claiming government officials briefed them about UFO disclosures involving reptilian beings and alien spacecraft materials - The claims gained credibility when multiple pastors validated each other's accounts on social media, leading to widespread news coverage - Investigation revealed the actual meeting was with freelance researchers, not government officials, and some pastors fabricated specific details including false quotes from a congressman ## 📰 Newsletter This case study reveals critical lessons for WordPress community leaders about information verification and accountability structures. Just as these pastors amplified unverified claims within their networks, tech communities can fall prey to similar dynamics when authority figures make unsupported assertions. The incident demonstrates how quickly misinformation spreads when trusted voices validate each other's claims without proper verification. For WordPress contributors and community leaders, this highlights the importance of fact-checking before endorsing claims, especially those involving official organizations or processes. Key takeaways include establishing clear accountability mechanisms, maintaining transparency in communications, and addressing misinformation promptly when it emerges. The pastors' eventual backtracking and blame-shifting show why proactive truth-telling serves communities better than reactive damage control. Resources: [WordPress Community Guidelines](https://make.wordpress.org/), [Contributor Handbook](https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/), [Code of Conduct](https://wordpress.org/about/philosophy/) ## ✅ Action Items #### DevRel - Establish verification protocols for community claims involving official WordPress entities - Create educational content about information literacy for contributors - Develop response frameworks for addressing misinformation in community channels #### Community - Implement accountability structures for community leaders making public claims - Create clear escalation paths for addressing false information - Establish peer review processes for significant community announcements #### WordPress - Develop guidelines for official WordPress representation claims - Create transparency requirements for community leader communications - Establish fact-checking protocols for community-generated content about WordPress policies ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Religious authority structures with weak accountability enable misinformation spread - Social media validation from multiple sources creates false credibility for unverified claims - Crisis responses reveal character: some apologize genuinely, others deny and blame others - Cover-up culture in institutional settings prevents proper accountability mechanisms ### 📊 Methodology - Content analysis of social media posts and video statements from involved pastors - Timeline construction of claim evolution and media response - Comparison of initial claims versus eventual admissions and corrections - Analysis of accountability mechanisms (or lack thereof) in charismatic church networks ### ❓ Questions - How can religious communities establish better verification processes for extraordinary claims? - What role should platform policies play in preventing amplification of misinformation by religious figures? - How do authority structures in different communities affect information accuracy and accountability? ### 🔮 Future Research - Comparative study of misinformation spread patterns across different religious movements - Analysis of effective accountability mechanisms in various organizational structures - Investigation of social media dynamics in religious authority validation ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Communities need verification protocols before amplifying extraordinary claims - Policy: Religious organizations should establish clear accountability standards for public communications - Security: Misinformation can damage community trust and external credibility - Education: Leaders need training in information literacy and responsible communication - Funding: Resources should support accountability structures, not just growth initiatives ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th-11th Grade (Flesch-Kincaid) #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Timeline graphics, social media post screenshots, video clips - Improve: Network diagrams showing information flow, accountability structure charts #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Original video analysis with audio evidence - Improve: Podcast-style summary, audio timeline of events #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear definitions of terms, detailed explanations of events - Improve: Glossary of charismatic church terminology, analogies to secular contexts #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Step-by-step breakdown of claim evolution - Improve: Interactive timeline, decision tree for evaluating claims #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Evidence-based analysis, logical progression of events - Improve: Formal argument structure analysis, logical fallacy identification #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Community discussion elements, multiple perspectives - Improve: Group discussion guides, role-playing exercises for similar scenarios #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Detailed written analysis, individual reflection opportunities - Improve: Self-assessment tools for evaluating information sources #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Pattern recognition in information spread - Improve: Ecosystem analogies for information flow in communities ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear heading structure, descriptive link text - Improve: Alt text for video thumbnails, transcript availability #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Logical tab order through content - Improve: Skip links for long content sections #### Contrast and readability - Present: High contrast text, clear typography - Improve: Adjustable text size options #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design at various zoom levels - Improve: Ensure tables remain readable when enlarged #### Media and captions - Present: Video content with detailed transcript - Improve: Time-stamped captions, audio descriptions for visual elements #### Forms and interactions - Present: Clear labels for any interactive elements - Improve: Error prevention and clear feedback ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Analysis focuses on specific religious tradition - Improve: Compare accountability mechanisms across different faith traditions #### Inclusive language - Present: Respectful treatment of religious perspectives while maintaining critique - Improve: Ensure terminology accessible to non-religious readers #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Structured content with clear headings - Improve: Summary boxes, bullet point highlights for key information #### Representation - Present: Focus on documented evidence rather than personal characteristics - Improve: Include diverse voices on religious accountability #### Psychological safety - Present: Content warnings about sensitive religious topics - Improve: Resources for those affected by similar religious authority issues ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Logical progression from evidence to conclusions about accountability failures - Inductive strength: Pattern recognition from specific case to broader institutional problems - Causal reasoning: Clear cause-effect relationships between claims, validation, and viral spread - Analogical strength: Implicit comparisons to other institutional accountability failures #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Analysis focuses on actions and claims rather than personal attacks - Appeal to authority: Properly questions rather than accepts authority claims - Hasty generalization: Clearly limits conclusions to specific charismatic circles involved #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Analytical and evidence-based with appropriate concern for truth and accountability ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: Alan Dio denied making government claims despite documented social media posts - Attack: Dio attacked critics as "ambulance chasers" and "view chasers" for questioning narrative - Reverse victim/offender: Portrayed questioners as the real problem rather than addressing false claims - Emotional cues: Appeals to religious authority and persecution complex to deflect accountability ## 🎯 Conclusion This case demonstrates how quickly misinformation spreads when authority figures validate each other's unverified claims within insular communities. The charismatic pastors' false assertions about government UFO briefings gained credibility through mutual confirmation on social media, leading to widespread news coverage before the truth emerged. The incident reveals systemic accountability problems in certain religious networks where extraordinary claims go unchallenged. When scrutiny finally arrived, responses varied from genuine apology to denial and blame-shifting, illustrating different approaches to crisis management and personal integrity. For all communities, this serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of verification processes, accountability structures, and transparent communication. The damage to credibility affects not just the individuals involved but entire movements and institutions they represent. ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] Misinformation spreads rapidly through authority validation loops > [!quote] [How A Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWfY9kKU0s) by [[Mike Winger]] via [[YouTube]]. Published 2024. Accessed 2024-12-19. > "Alan Dio tweeted 'It's absolutely true. I was there' referring to Perry Stone's claims." Shows how secondary validation from perceived authorities amplifies unverified claims. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=495) #xref #articleseed ID:rw_pastoral_validation ### [H2] Crisis responses reveal institutional character > [!quote] [How A Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWfY9kKU0s) > "Each of these guys has a different tactic for how they're going to approach this stuff, whether it's apology or denial." Demonstrates how organizations and leaders handle accountability moments differently. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/WrWfY9kKU0s?t=1350) #xref ID:rw_crisis_ --- ## Full Transcript [00:00] Some charismatic pastors made some wild [00:02] claims, not necessarily true claims. And [00:04] it went viral around the world about the [00:07] government, the US government, meeting [00:09] secretly with pastors to help them [00:11] prepare their congregations for this [00:13] information drop that was coming about [00:15] aliens and UAPs and disclosure. And [00:18] there's halftruths and there's whole [00:20] lies. And we're going to get into all of [00:22] it today. I have some personal inside [00:24] info. I've talked to one of the guys in [00:26] detail. I have evidence. I've followed [00:28] the trail. I've done what I do. who have [00:29] gathered all the pieces to put them [00:31] together to show you the truth of what [00:33] happened. Because once again, a group of [00:34] charismatic pastors are operating [00:37] without any seemingly without any [00:39] reasonable or proper accountability in [00:42] their own fellowship. And what happened [00:43] was they got thrust into the national [00:45] spotlight operating in that fashion. And [00:48] it became, I think, an embarrassment to [00:50] the name of Christ. I mean, they're [00:51] literally being laughed at like on Joe [00:53] Rogan's show, uh, brought onto the news [00:56] to be put on display as as being [00:59] unreliable sources. That's my read on [01:00] it. I'll share it all with you guys, [01:02] including the spin. These this stuff [01:05] should be dealt with openly because it [01:07] is open. It's already open. So, at least [01:09] let it be Christians who are being [01:11] level-headed. Now, I want to say about [01:12] the alien conversation. I'm going to go [01:14] through all the stuff. I'm going to talk [01:15] about Alan Dio. I'm going to talk about [01:17] oh gosh, what's his name? I'm going to [01:18] talk about Perry Stone. I'm going to [01:20] talk about uh Tony Merkel who was the [01:22] the the most inside guy that's been [01:24] public about the issues. And I'm going [01:26] to talk about Larry Raglin. All of these [01:29] guys, right? Names who you may not have [01:30] known that well before, but now they're [01:32] like national headlines. [01:34] But I'm also going to talk briefly real [01:36] quick as a disclaimer. When it comes to [01:38] the topic of aliens, what I'm about to [01:40] say right now is not actually meant to [01:41] say that every conspiracy theorist is [01:44] wrong or that there's no like important [01:46] information that's going to be dropped [01:47] by the government. I don't mean that at [01:49] all. Actually, I'm open. I'm open and [01:51] discerning. That's my position on those [01:53] kinds of things. I'm ready to evaluate [01:55] whatever happens with my Christian [01:56] worldview, with my with my brain open in [01:59] a healthy way, but also with my [02:01] commitment to scripture intact, and it's [02:03] good to have those conversations. But [02:05] please, church, can it not be these guys [02:08] that are leading us in those [02:09] conversations? That's what I'm going to [02:11] suggest. Let's look at the evidence. And [02:13] by uh by speaking up on this like with a [02:16] mild challenge, [02:18] I've got myself roped into it as well. [02:20] And I'm just going to dig through it all [02:22] today. Let's start with this. On April [02:24] 28th, this is what went viral. There was [02:27] a comment made by Perry Stone, who I [02:30] know some stuff about. I'll share with [02:32] you in a minute. Perry Stone is a [02:34] charismatic pastor, fairly wellknown in [02:36] that circle. And he it's well, here's [02:39] one of the headlines. It says here um [02:42] televangelist UFO warning goes viral as [02:45] America awaits for a disclosure and [02:47] proof. And the claim was that and I'll [02:49] read it to you from the article here. [02:51] Cleveland-based televangelist Perry [02:52] Stone recently claimed that pastors in [02:54] an undisclosed state were warned by [02:56] individuals connected to the US [02:58] government to prepare their [02:59] congregations for coming disclosures [03:02] involving non-human craft materials not [03:03] from this earth and even reptilian [03:07] entities. Yeah, that was Perry Stone. [03:09] Now, those of us who are familiar with [03:11] Perry Stone, um, understand to in [03:14] instantly be suspicious, but and for [03:17] those of you think, Mike, you're just [03:18] being mean. You're assuming the worst. [03:20] You're believing the worst of people. [03:21] No, I'm not, guys. This is evidence. [03:22] Perry Stone, the guy who threatened to [03:24] kill himself. Let me let me just share [03:26] with you right now. Before we do [03:27] anything else, I'll show you who Perry [03:29] Stone is. He's the gentleman who [03:31] actually threatened to kill himself when [03:34] it was going to be exposed that the man [03:36] was um inappropriately acting towards [03:39] multiple women that were under his [03:41] authority. And so I'll play you that [03:43] audio. [03:44] >> I have 12 letters of where you're headed [03:46] and you've done it to all of them. [03:48] >> Okay. Where you [03:48] >> You know what? I'm going to go commit [03:50] suicide up in the mountains in this [03:52] thing because I'm not going to look [03:53] listen to me before God. I'm going to go [03:55] take pills in the mountains because I I [03:57] can't put up with this. [03:58] >> Okay. were here to help. [03:59] >> I know I'm a very sincere person, but I [04:01] have almost no friends, man. And I have [04:03] almost no friends because of like this. [04:05] >> You got two friends. [04:07] >> I know I do, but I'm just saying like [04:09] this. I can't shake a woman's hand. Oh, [04:10] he's coming on to me. Pat him on the [04:12] back. It's coming on to me. [04:14] >> I'm talking about these other people [04:16] that, you know, this other stuff, [04:17] whatever. I'm just talking about these [04:19] other people. [04:21] >> I mean, it just really And look, I will [04:23] take my life before I let the minister [04:25] go down. [04:26] >> And I swear to God, I'll take my life. [04:28] No, no, no, no. This is going to get [04:30] bigger. If he's got letters, it means [04:32] they're talking it. If they're talking [04:33] it, [04:35] >> the ministry is ruined. [04:37] >> I'm going to shut OCI down and sell the [04:39] building. No, I need to I need I need to [04:41] shut OCI down. Sell the building and [04:43] forget everything I'm doing cuz I am [04:45] not. And if Pam Stone knows this, Pam [04:47] Stone will leave me [04:49] >> just by No, by Oh, she'll find out. She [04:51] will [04:51] >> by No, she'll find out. And by [04:53] accurizations, [04:55] I'll be destroyed. So why what do I have [04:57] to live for? [04:59] What do I have to live for, man? That's [05:01] why we're here. It [05:02] >> I'm ruined. [05:03] >> So Perry Stone actually threatening to [05:04] kill himself rather than face the [05:06] reality of these men who say, "Hey, [05:08] we're here to love you, Perry." But we [05:09] got 12 different letters written by all [05:10] these different witnesses confronting [05:12] you with your inappropriate behaviors. [05:14] He completely freaked out. Said he'd [05:15] kill himself. Said he destroy his [05:17] ministry. He just will not allow any [05:19] accountability. And this is [05:21] unfortunately the reality is years later [05:23] he's still just going and going and [05:25] going with no end in sight. That's just [05:28] how it is. That's just how it is in some [05:31] charismatic worlds. So Perry Stone is [05:33] the guy that's the source. He comes out [05:35] with a video. I'm going to play the [05:36] video now so that you guys can [05:37] understand like where you know where [05:39] where it all got started. It was this [05:41] guy right here. Let's walk through all [05:42] the evidence today in detail. This is [05:44] going to be hopefully the only video you [05:47] need to know on the topic. But there [05:49] were u a large number of pastors that [05:52] had been invited to go to a certain [05:55] state to hear some [06:00] men in the United States government and [06:02] others [06:04] share with them a concern that they had. [06:08] And this particular man and I'll not [06:10] name him and then we may end up doing [06:13] some teachings with him or having an [06:16] event at his church. She has a great [06:17] church. But he said, "Perry, [06:21] what you're what they're about to [06:22] release from what we're hearing, there's [06:25] going to be a release concerning [06:29] aliens [06:31] and concerning uh unidentified flying [06:34] object spacecraft [06:37] that some of the people who were in the [06:40] meeting were telling us as pastors, [06:44] you need to prepare your people and you [06:47] need to get ready to answer them for [06:50] what you're about to hear being [06:54] released. And some of it has to do with [06:57] crafts that have been discovered that [07:00] are not allegedly a part of our planet [07:03] and the materials they're made of are [07:05] not a part of our planet. [07:07] uh very strange reptilian looking [07:10] creatures and other things that almost [07:13] sound like something out of a sci-fi [07:15] movie or an Orson Wells book. [07:20] Now, here's the thing. This one video [07:22] from this one guy wasn't enough to make [07:24] this go totally viral. See, the thing is [07:26] Perry Stone is connected to Paula [07:28] White's faith office in the White House. [07:30] That added some sense of credibility, [07:32] some sense of weight to his words. It [07:33] shouldn't, not if Paula White is [07:35] involved, but he is connected to that. [07:39] What actually I think made it go viral [07:40] was some of the guys that were in the [07:42] meeting retweeted or reposted or or or [07:45] commented on the things that Perry said [07:47] and they were like, "I was there. It's [07:48] true." And so that offered validation to [07:50] the things that he had claimed, [07:52] suggesting implying that the government [07:54] itself is meeting with people to give [07:57] them pastors to give them disclosures [07:59] for the sake of the public. Now, [08:01] obviously, everyone's super interested [08:03] in any disclosures about UAPs and UFOs. [08:07] We're all kind of interested in that [08:08] stuff, I think, and that's nothing's [08:09] wrong with that. We want to know that [08:11] kind of stuff. But, but what this did [08:12] was it added a level of real uh dread [08:16] and conspiracy to the whole thing, [08:18] suggesting that, yeah, like we've got a [08:20] spacecraft from non-human origin. We've [08:22] got lizard-like beings. And these guys [08:24] said that Perry was telling the truth. [08:27] So, that's when the news did its thing. [08:29] And the news, I already showed you one [08:30] headline. And here's another headline [08:32] also. Uh this one's from the the [08:34] Christian Post. Evangelist Perry Stone [08:36] claims US officials briefed pastors to [08:38] prepare churches for UFO disclosure. [08:41] Then we have another one from My [08:42] Charisma that says, uh, "Viral claims of [08:46] secret government briefing to pastors. [08:48] Ignite fierce UFO disclosure debate." [08:51] Secret government briefing. Notice how [08:53] it's being worded. Well, this is [08:54] actually pretty understandable when you [08:56] consider the context of what Perry Stone [08:59] actually said. It makes plenty of sense. [09:01] Another headline. This is uh space and [09:04] technology pastor pastors claim Donald [09:06] Trump's rumored alien files could [09:08] challenge Christian beliefs urging [09:09] Christian churches to prepare. That is [09:11] what they claim. That's not even [09:12] sensationalized. That just is what they [09:15] claim and you'll see more of that. And [09:17] you've got this uh from kosher and this [09:19] was re reposted and affirmed by one of [09:22] the guys who was at the meeting. this [09:23] exact uh tweet and it says here um [09:27] pastors told to prepare per pastor Perry [09:30] Stone a quote a large number unquote of [09:33] pastors were invited to a meeting with [09:35] individuals from the US government [09:37] telling them to prepare for UFO [09:39] disclosure quote from Perry Stone [09:41] there's going to be a release concerning [09:43] aliens you need to prepare your people [09:47] underneath this is where Alan Dio one of [09:49] the pastors said it's true I was there [09:52] it's true He even says in another tweet, [09:54] "It's absolutely true." So, it's [09:56] understandable why the headlines started [09:58] running cuz they were like, "We've got [09:59] multiple witnesses all affirming the [10:01] same thing that Perry is saying." [10:04] This is from MSN. It says, "Church [10:06] pastor warns Trump's alien files are [10:08] going to shatter the Christian world." [10:11] Um, MSN.com. Yeah. Okay. That's that's [10:15] not what they said, but they did say it [10:17] was going to be the thing that would [10:18] lead to the great falling away. So, I [10:20] mean, how different is that? I mean, how [10:22] different is it from saying it's going [10:23] to shatter the Christian world to saying [10:24] that they think that this disclosure [10:27] will be the thing that leads to the [10:28] great falling away prophesied in the [10:30] Bible that you know unless the Lord had [10:33] shortened the days even the elect would [10:34] be deceived. That's the thing these guys [10:35] are warning about. So, it is very much [10:37] doom and gloom. It's very much has to do [10:38] with end of times kind of esquetology, a [10:41] certain particular view of the end times [10:43] that not all Christians have or have to [10:44] have and tying that to government alien [10:49] disclosures and government people being [10:51] present in the meeting. So it it's [10:53] sensational, man. Of who doesn't want to [10:54] know about this meeting? Who's not [10:55] curious about it? Well, everybody's [10:57] curious about it. That's exactly the [10:58] problem. Everybody's curious about it. [11:00] Then you've get you get guys like Larry [11:02] Raglin who goes even further. And let me [11:04] give you uh Larry Raglin who was at the [11:07] meeting confirmed he's one of the guys [11:08] who was at the meeting. Um I spoke to [11:10] Alan Dio. He said Raglin was was a guy [11:13] who you could trust. And here's what he [11:15] said. U Pastor Larry Raglin, we will see [11:18] Jesus appearing in the sky as a false [11:21] rapture as they push the alien narrative [11:24] implying that an alien's going to show [11:26] up in the sky impersonating Jesus create [11:29] some sort of false rapture event and [11:31] that it's meant to deceive people. Okay, [11:33] this is one of the guys who's at the [11:34] meeting. I say this because guys, I had [11:36] gone public. Probably the most criticism [11:38] I've received is because I tweeted out [11:40] that these are unreliable guys. They are [11:42] unreliable guys. The deal is an [11:43] unreliable guy. I have evidence for [11:44] this. I'll share today. Um Raglin's an [11:48] unreliable guy. I will prove it to you. [11:50] And um Perry Stone is an unreliable guy [11:53] on several measures. So [11:56] yeah, they're unreliable guys. [11:58] Unfortunately, they drove the whole like [12:00] news thing. Like the timing was perfect. [12:02] It was the moment was right for them to [12:03] go viral. I I don't know if they're even [12:04] happy about it at this point anymore [12:07] because it it turned against them pretty [12:10] quick because I here's the thing and [12:12] here's where I think it's commentary on [12:13] coverup culture in the charismatic [12:14] church. I think these guys can get away [12:16] with this kind of craziness inside of [12:18] their own charismatic churches. I'm [12:19] sorry to say not all charismatic [12:21] churches. There are good ones. There are [12:22] good ones. But these guys in their [12:25] particular circle, part of the cover up [12:28] connections, [12:30] they're able to get away with crazy [12:31] claims. And so when their claims get [12:32] elevated to like a much wider audience [12:34] and people are examining them more [12:35] carefully, all of a sudden it's like, [12:36] "Oh, I'm in trouble for the things I [12:38] say." And they have to start [12:39] backtracking. And then I'm going to fall [12:41] I'm going to give you the historical [12:42] analysis. I'm going to give the evidence [12:44] of the backtracking and the changing [12:45] narrative. And then finally, Alan Dillo [12:48] more than anybody else. Alan Dil blaming [12:50] everybody else, including me, uh, Mike [12:52] Winger, for creating a false narrative [12:55] that he created and doesn't want to be [12:56] accountable for. So, he believes he was [12:58] honest and truthful the whole time. [12:59] We're going to walk through it today. [13:01] Let's clear this up. Let it let it at [13:03] least be believers who are clearing [13:05] these things up and are speaking truth [13:06] about these things and not just uh uh [13:09] Joe Rogan who is able to call it out for [13:12] what it is on very quickly and easily [13:14] online. Uh, but I want to show you the [13:16] evidence. So, let's look at Larry [13:18] Raglin. Okay, Larry Raglin gave some [13:20] very specific claims. I'm going to look [13:22] at his claims. I'm going to look at [13:23] Dillo's some of his claims in the early [13:25] days. Then we'll look at how their [13:26] claims shifted as things started getting [13:29] heated up and they started getting news [13:30] reports about them and going viral. Um [13:33] they initially leaned into the verality [13:34] and then and then started backing way [13:36] off of it and then how well how it ends [13:40] which is very un unpleasant but it is [13:43] reality. So first off, Larry Raglin this [13:45] is what he claims. This is again one of [13:46] the reasons why it went viral. All [13:48] right, listen to this narrative. This is [13:49] what he said happened while he was at [13:51] the meeting and how a government [13:52] official warned him of some really [13:54] specific things. This is it turns out [13:56] this is not true at all. But you can see [13:58] how it led virality in the news and put [14:01] these guys names and faces everywhere. [14:03] But more importantly to me embarrasses [14:05] the church and for those who believe [14:07] these guys creates psychosis and and [14:09] terror. And for those who are serious [14:10] about examining things in this in in the [14:13] disclosure area, in the area of of what [14:15] is the government really doing behind [14:16] the scenes, all that kind of stuff, it [14:18] makes you guys look crazy because guys [14:19] do stuff like this and we could use [14:21] serious and thoughtful analysis of those [14:23] things. Uh so unfortunately you guys are [14:26] not helping your cause. Full of pastors [14:28] invited to come to a private meeting [14:30] with a group of men who are connected [14:31] with the intelligence world that are [14:33] believers but are still have very high [14:36] security clearance. These are legit true [14:39] men of God that are still connected to [14:41] Washington and even this current [14:42] >> still connected to Washington legit high [14:45] security clearances inside of the [14:48] government [14:48] >> administration and all branches of [14:50] military and they literally told us we [14:52] had a sitting congressman a very [14:55] well-known congressman from Missouri he [14:57] was he called into that meeting as well [14:59] that that was just for pastors and this [15:01] is what he said on speakerphone this [15:03] sitting powerful member of Congress said [15:05] are the [15:06] >> this did not happen. [15:07] >> The pastor's listening to me. I'm [15:09] getting chills right now because this [15:10] happened to me. He said, "Are the [15:12] pastors in the room listening to me?" [15:14] And I said, "Yes, sir. We are here." And [15:16] he said, "Listen to me. Go and tell the [15:19] church they are not ready for what is [15:23] coming. The narrative that is coming, [15:25] what they are going to say is going to [15:28] be like nothing you can even imagine. [15:31] They are preparing to tell us that they [15:33] are from another dimension. That they [15:35] are our creator and that these beings, [15:38] these aliens or whatever you want to [15:40] call them, they were the ones that [15:41] seated us here. There is no such thing [15:43] as God. Jesus was invented by them. The [15:45] Bible was invented by them. And begin to [15:47] just say, "Listen, prepare the people [15:50] for what is coming because they're not [15:52] ready." But he loved us so much, he made [15:55] sure that he told us exactly the [15:57] blueprint to study. He said, "Study the [15:59] days of Noah, and if you can understand [16:01] how Noah responded, that's how you're [16:03] going to have to respond." And I believe [16:04] what God is doing in the body of Christ [16:06] right now. [16:07] >> So, Larry has been going at this stuff [16:09] for a while. Some of these guys have [16:10] been going at this stuff for a while, [16:12] doing the the conspiracy kind of alien [16:14] sort of theories for a good while now. [16:16] Alan Dil has a book on it. Larry Raglin [16:18] does podcast stuff on it. Others do [16:20] those those sorts of things. And so what [16:22] he has done here is he's claimed that [16:24] the government was there, officials were [16:25] there, their high level security [16:27] clearance they and they're briefing us [16:29] and then a congressman calls it. It [16:31] turns out this in fact is not true. But [16:32] you can see how it drove verality. My [16:34] main point in this first part of the [16:36] video is to show that the verality was [16:37] from them, not from others, not from [16:40] distortions. It was from this group of [16:42] irresponsible pastors that that made [16:45] this stuff happen. So here we go. Let me [16:47] show you another uh piece of evidence in [16:49] that regard. So, step one, let's let's [16:52] talk about how this happened, right? Um, [16:54] here is a uh a news type post where it [16:58] says, you know, wow, pastors are being [16:59] told to prepare for UFO disclosure and [17:02] it has quotes. Now, if you look at the [17:03] bottom, uh Allan Dio, Pastor Bishop, [17:06] he's called Alan Dio. It says, I was in [17:08] that meeting and he's telling the truth. [17:10] Now, Allan has been the guy probably [17:12] more than the other guys. He's been [17:13] appearing on like Newsmax, like going on [17:15] interviews. He's like trying to like get [17:17] on Joe Rogan. He's asking if Joe Rogan [17:19] will have him on. He really wants to [17:21] get, you know, as far as he can with [17:23] this stuff. He's he's he knows he's got [17:24] his eye on the ball. Put it that way. [17:26] And um and he says, "I was in this [17:28] meeting. He's telling the truth." [17:29] Referring to Perry Stone. And it links [17:30] the exact video I played for you [17:32] earlier. This video where Stone says [17:35] government officials were there. Turns [17:36] out that's not true. Says green alien [17:38] discussions. Turns out that or lizard [17:40] people discussions rather. Turns out [17:41] that's not true. and the things that [17:44] made this the most important and most [17:45] interesting and most viral that Allen is [17:48] affirming here by a blanket statement if [17:50] he's telling the truth. Those things [17:51] were not true. They created this [17:53] problem. Another one is when uh Red [17:56] Panda Koala did the following. Let me [17:58] get this where you guys could see it a [18:00] little better. [18:02] And um here I'll make it I'll make it [18:04] bigger like this. There we go. Says um [18:07] I'll just skip first. Let's look at [18:09] Perry Stone here. He says again he says [18:11] I was in that meeting right the meeting [18:14] this is this becomes the fabled meeting [18:16] the the meeting with government and [18:17] pastors he goes I was in that meeting [18:19] and he's telling the truth who is Perry [18:21] Stone is telling the truth right where [18:23] did that come from Alan Dio you've got [18:25] to remember this cuz later on he will [18:27] blame everybody else for this [18:32] according to a new report a plan is in [18:35] place to slowly prepare Americans for [18:37] what could be coming and to achieve [18:39] believe that prominent pastors and [18:41] priests from all across the country are [18:43] being briefed by intelligence officials [18:46] to start preparing Christians for [18:48] information about alien life that could [18:50] change the way we all think about our [18:52] place in the universe. Alan Dado is a [18:55] pastor at the Revival Nation Church and [18:58] he was one of the pastors at one of [19:00] these briefings. Uh Pastor Dio, we [19:03] appreciate you being here. Can you tell [19:04] us what you learned at this briefing? [19:07] Yeah, and I know it would be unusual to [19:09] think that social media may spin things [19:11] a little bit out of control, but there [19:12] weren't any intelligence officials that [19:14] were there. [19:15] >> Okay. One of the pastors present said, [19:17] this is a quote, that pastors were told [19:18] about the existence of reptilian [19:20] creatures, UFOs, and materials from a [19:22] nonhuman origin that almost sound like [19:24] something out of a sci-fi movie. Uh, did [19:27] that happen? [19:28] >> I think the pastor you're referring to [19:30] was secondhand information. I don't [19:32] believe he was actually in the room. [19:34] >> Okay. So, Pastor Perry Stone claims [19:36] pastors are being warned to prepare [19:37] their congregation for UFO and alien [19:39] information being released. Now, here's [19:40] some quotes. Let's look at the details. [19:42] They matter. There were a large number [19:44] of pastors that had been invited to go [19:46] to a certain state to hear some men in [19:48] the United States government to hear [19:50] concerns they had. So, these are men who [19:52] are in the government. Obviously, this [19:54] makes it a super interesting meeting. [19:56] Turns out that wasn't true. There's [19:57] going to be a release concerning aliens [19:58] and unidentified flying object [20:00] spacecraft. Yes, this had already been [20:02] announced uh at this stage and it was it [20:04] was not news. They're writing that news [20:06] cycle, not creating it. Some of the [20:08] people who were in the meeting were [20:09] telling us as pastors, you need to [20:10] prepare your people. You need to prepare [20:12] to answer them for what's about to be [20:14] released. Some of it has to do with [20:15] craft. This is this is what the deal [20:17] commented on that have been discovered [20:19] that are not a part of our planet. Very [20:20] strange reptilian looking creatures and [20:23] other things that sound out of a sci-fi [20:25] movie. Now, what do I really expect with [20:27] these alien disclosures? Let me let me [20:28] say this. I I don't want to get into [20:30] that. What I will say is whatever is [20:32] disclosed, I want to handle it with an [20:34] open and thoughtful mind, with my [20:35] commitment to scripture, also with [20:37] reason and critical thinking engaged and [20:40] not just like, ooh, it's shiny, you [20:43] know? You know what I mean? Um, I don't [20:45] want to do that though. So Allan says [20:47] he's there and it's true. Okay, the [20:49] green the lizard people thing, all this [20:50] stuff is true according to Alan Dio. And [20:54] then news articles get published saying [20:56] it's true. Now you see why it happened. [20:58] And there are also occasions where Alan [20:59] Dio suggested that it was uh actual [21:02] government people that were there in the [21:04] meeting. So he didn't just say it's [21:05] true. He actually said it with his own [21:06] mouth on occasions. Now the purpose of [21:09] this meeting was that there there are [21:11] several people who are involved in an [21:14] organization that is investigating the [21:16] United States government. And again, I'm [21:18] not going to reveal everything because [21:19] Joseph Z and I are going to do some [21:20] programming together going into detail [21:23] about the meeting that we went to. But [21:25] these individuals who are involved in an [21:28] a a an organization that is [21:30] investigating the United States [21:31] government and their illegal activities [21:33] surrounding UAPs. [21:35] They wanted to have a meeting, an urgent [21:37] meeting where again we go into this [21:40] Airbnb, we have to turn our phones on [21:41] airplane mode. There's no recording of [21:43] the meeting uh because they're working [21:45] with this highly classified information. [21:47] and they're working with individuals who [21:49] are operating uh who were there with us [21:51] who are operating under aliases or under [21:54] um different names. So, it's a very very [21:56] interesting kind of meeting to go into [21:59] and we may talk about some of the things [22:02] that we discussed in that meeting here [22:04] in this broadcast, but ultimately the [22:06] purpose of it was disclosure is coming [22:09] quickly and here's what the deception is [22:12] going to look like. Here's the [22:13] narrative. Here's what the propaganda is [22:15] going to look like. And these people who [22:17] are working in in government agencies [22:19] are pleading with pastors. They're [22:21] pleading, please prepare your people so [22:25] that they are not deceived by what is [22:26] coming. Please teach your people. And I [22:29] think they're accustomed to talking to [22:31] people who think this is fringe activity [22:33] or they're scared to mention it from [22:35] their pulpits. So I think they were [22:37] relieved to realize they were in the [22:38] room with some gentlemen who not only [22:39] are aware of these things, but have [22:42] extensively taught on it and written [22:44] about it preparing the church. So that's [22:46] the reason for this book because [22:48] disclosure is coming. There is a [22:49] disclosure coming. [22:50] >> He'd also walk it back because quickly [22:53] they started getting push back on this. [22:54] So let me try to explain that so it [22:56] makes some sense. Here's him doing a [22:58] spaces meeting on X that was on May 5th, [23:01] 2026. Spaces. This was just several days [23:04] ago. [23:05] But the purpose of these men coming [23:08] together, there's this one who worked in [23:11] very specific branches, highly skilled [23:14] branches of the military. There's [23:15] another who works within the government [23:17] within different agencies in the [23:18] government. Works within the government [23:21] within different agencies in the [23:22] government. That's how he starts off his [23:24] ex uh spaces. At least that's his past [23:28] or his history. At least that's his past [23:30] or his history. So, he's already hedging [23:31] his bets a little bit. Now, previously [23:33] he's confirmed he does do these things. [23:34] Now, he's like, well, maybe he did. He [23:36] once worked in the government. [23:38] >> He may actively still be working in it [23:40] or um recently retired. However, or [23:44] maybe he is actively working in the [23:45] government, or maybe he's recently [23:47] retired. I think it's clear Allan [23:49] doesn't actually know what's going on [23:50] with this guy, but he knows that trying [23:52] to establish the government connection [23:54] is something that the audience is [23:55] interested in, which it turns out is [23:57] something he should not have done. uh [23:58] they're working together with a group of [24:00] people to investigate the United States [24:02] government and the crimes that they have [24:04] committed [24:06] in the pursuit of collecting reverse [24:09] engineering intelligence from nonhuman [24:12] origin. [24:14] So there's a group okay wait so now it's [24:16] not a government meeting now that it's [24:18] already going viral and there's people [24:19] asking more questions. There's a little [24:21] bit of push back and now a little a [24:22] little more is coming out than what [24:24] Perry Stone said. It's stuff that they [24:26] had said earlier on, but it kind of fell [24:28] off the map for a while. Now it's coming [24:29] back in. And it's that these guys are [24:31] actually they believe the government's [24:33] the bad guy here, and they're [24:34] investigating the government. Now, [24:35] you'll find they don't work for the [24:37] government. They're not in the [24:37] government. They're freelancers who are [24:39] investigating the government. But you [24:41] can see where the messages are confusing [24:44] due to the behavior of these pastors. [24:46] There's one more post where Alan Dio [24:48] says straight up about Perry Stone, I [24:50] was in the meeting. It's absolutely [24:52] true. Right? where what individuals [24:55] quote from the US government are telling [24:57] them to prepare right that's true Allen [24:59] says it that's what made it viral now in [25:02] this space's uh meeting on the on May [25:05] 5th Allen explains in a bit more detail [25:07] the purpose of the meeting which is not [25:09] what people would have thought they [25:10] thought oh it's the government trying to [25:12] disclose to pastors what's going on uh [25:14] no that wasn't really the purpose of the [25:15] meeting the the the government [25:17] connection of these individuals was [25:18] exaggerated by ultimately by Perry Stone [25:21] and then affirmed by these guys [25:22] wrongfully and then it leaned into even [25:24] harder, really hard by Raglin. Uh but [25:27] none of that was accurate. Now, here's [25:28] another one from Alan Dio, a post of his [25:31] where he's a little more careful, and in [25:32] hindsight, I see he's being careful [25:34] here, but in the context of the actual [25:37] events, it doesn't make it doesn't look [25:38] careful at the time. He says, "The news [25:40] is true." Okay, so Allan on the phone [25:42] with me, we talked. I said, "Were you [25:44] were you familiar with the news reports [25:45] that were going on at this time?" And he [25:46] said, "Yes." So, here he says, "The news [25:48] is true." Now, later to his church, he [25:49] goes, "I was I'm not really on social [25:50] media. I don't pay attention to that [25:51] stuff." I think he was being dishonest. [25:53] Um, but the news is true. He says, "I [25:56] was brought into a private meeting with [25:57] other pastors. Phones off, no [25:58] recordings. We were warned. Disclosure [26:00] is coming and many will be unprepared [26:01] for what follows. Pastors must begin to [26:03] prepare their people." Now, if you look [26:05] at this carefully, you go, "Well, [26:06] technically, he didn't say the [26:08] government was doing the meeting there, [26:09] but in the context of having affirmed [26:11] Perry Stone statements and Larry Raglin [26:14] coming out, uh, yeah, that makes [26:16] everybody think that you think the [26:17] government was part of it." Now later [26:20] he'll blame the internet for thinking [26:22] that as if they made it up themselves. [26:24] So sometimes he's a little bit more [26:25] balanced, but here on his May 5th spaces [26:28] meeting he says variety of things, [26:31] sometimes contradictory things, and you [26:32] can see why it bred the confusion that [26:34] it did. Here he affirms again not only [26:36] that Perry Stone is accurate, but also [26:38] that Larry Raglin, who has come forward [26:40] with his testimony about the [26:41] congressman, we'll get back to that in [26:43] just a moment, what the congressman [26:45] actually said when the congressman spoke [26:47] out and was like, "What is this guy [26:48] talking about? Um, but here he affirms [26:50] those guys are speaking truth. [26:53] >> Some people maybe just be catching up. [26:55] But the meeting that everyone's talking [26:56] about about pastors and church leaders [26:59] being called into a meeting uh where [27:01] they're warned about coming UFO [27:02] disclosure that Perry Stone recently [27:05] this video circling with him Larry [27:06] Ragland a video circling with him who's [27:08] a dear friend of mine is absolutely true [27:10] because I was there in the meeting. [27:16] What? Well, of course, people are [27:17] thinking not just was there a meeting. [27:19] That's not the division the uh point of [27:21] discussion. The point of discussion is [27:23] the nature of the meeting, right? Is it [27:24] a like government's disclosing things to [27:26] you? Government is calling in pastors [27:28] cuz they're so worried about the [27:30] disclosures and how they will impact [27:32] Christians that they're calling in [27:33] pastors to to have them prepare their [27:35] people for this like earthshattering [27:36] stuff. That's the implication. Not even [27:39] it's not even just implication. It's [27:40] just what they said um on some [27:42] occasions. Now, Congressman Berles [27:45] Berles actually spoke up on this. He saw [27:48] the video of Larry Raglin making these [27:49] claims about him and then he came [27:51] forward and he said the following. Um, [27:55] and this was just a matter of time and [27:56] you know you're like, why are you [27:57] laughing at this? Well, it's funny. [27:59] Okay. So, I thought it's funny. It is [28:01] funny that that that this happened and [28:04] um I'm glad that the congressman spoke [28:06] up and then Larry Ra Bradlin had to [28:08] issue an apology after this, but he [28:10] says, "I've had many people ask me to [28:12] respond. I mean, I I'll just let you [28:13] pause the screen and read the whole [28:14] thing if you want. He basically says, "I [28:17] don't even know what their meeting was [28:18] fully about. I don't even know what was [28:20] said before I got I just called in and [28:22] encouraged the pastors to preach the [28:24] word and that kind of stuff. Uh, it was [28:26] nothing like what Larry Raglin said it [28:28] was." And this prompted Larry posting [28:31] this video apology. [28:35] I want to address this video that's [28:37] going around of me uh in regards to the [28:41] meeting of pastors that gathered to [28:43] discuss the upcoming so-called UFO [28:45] disclosure. In this video, I stated that [28:48] a congressman from Missouri had called [28:50] in to speak to the pastors. And of [28:52] course, it's being revealed now that [28:53] that is Congressman Eric Bergen. and he [28:56] did call in um but he called in to [28:59] encourage us and to thank us pastors for [29:01] the work that we're doing and that we [29:03] are you know speaking the truth to our [29:05] people and pointing them to Jesus and [29:07] not get distracted uh of things in the [29:09] world. In that moment, I begin to state [29:12] things that I have always said. That is [29:15] my opinion. And my opinion is, and [29:16] that's exactly all it is, is my opinion [29:18] that when this disclosure comes out that [29:20] that it will be spun, that it is uh that [29:24] the aliens have always been here, that [29:26] they seated us, that they created the [29:27] first religion and all of that. I should [29:31] >> things he always believed. These are not [29:33] things he learned in a meeting. These [29:35] are things he believed from the [29:36] beginning, right? He's been into this [29:38] stuff for a while now. This has nothing [29:39] to do with the meeting. This is him [29:41] using the meeting to promote his [29:43] previous beliefs that he already had. [29:44] That's how I read the situation. I think [29:46] that this apology is actually dishonest. [29:48] I'll show you support for that as soon [29:51] as he's finished. [29:51] >> Would have stopped and paused and said, [29:53] "And this part is my opinion." In the [29:55] heat of that, I didn't. I I led with [29:57] saying that the that they had called the [29:59] pastors and I went straight into my [30:01] opinion. So, I want to make it very [30:03] clear that Eric Buren did not say those [30:05] words. Those were my words and I want to [30:08] own it and I want to apologize directly [30:11] to Congressman Eric Berison for any [30:13] problems that this has caused you, any [30:15] confusion and to any of the viewers that [30:17] have seen this video clip. So, I wanted [30:19] to state the facts and make it very very [30:22] clear what actually happened. That was [30:24] my opinion and not the congressman. So, [30:26] thank you so much. And the bottom line [30:28] is this. I just want you to focus on the [30:30] Lord. And that was the purpose of that [30:32] meeting is to just focus on Jesus and as [30:36] Jesus said, be not deceived. So, thank [30:38] you for your time and God bless. [30:40] >> So, for this Larry, I would acknowledge [30:42] uh it's good that Larry came out and [30:44] apologized. That's a healthy thing. That [30:45] was a proper thing. The apology is good. [30:48] um uh I know I'm going to be criticized [30:51] as being too, you know, I don't know, [30:53] meanspirited or assuming the worst or [30:56] not believing the best about people or [30:57] something, but but the reality is that [30:59] his apology doesn't actually line up [31:01] with what he said. He said that he just [31:02] should have taken a breath and said, [31:03] "Oh, and this part's my opinion." And he [31:05] just got heated up in the moment. Um [31:07] that can happen. That's not what it [31:09] looks like happened. And one of the [31:11] reasons why I would say it doesn't look [31:12] like it happened that way is cuz this is [31:13] not the only time that Larry did this. [31:15] We have at least two times on video [31:16] where he did it. Here's a completely [31:17] different video where he did it almost [31:19] word for word the same again. This is [31:21] this is a completely separate time. This [31:23] is on April 30th where he does it while [31:25] he's talking to Joseph Z, another guy [31:26] who was in one of these meetings and [31:29] they just seem gung-ho about it. There's [31:31] there's no there's no breaks on this [31:33] machine yet because there's no public [31:36] scrutiny on it yet. So, here's the video [31:38] where he did it again. Now ask yourself, [31:39] does this sound like he he just in the [31:42] heat of the moment he forgot to pause [31:43] and go and this part is my opinion, not [31:46] the congressman's opinion? Did that [31:48] happen or did he intentionally couch all [31:50] of this as the congressman's opinion? [31:54] >> Right. [31:55] >> Now, now you were in that meeting, Z and [31:58] I were in a meeting with the same group [32:00] of people that y'all were with. That's [32:02] right. [32:02] >> And one of the things that um when we [32:04] were in that meeting, we had a [32:06] congressman that's very wellknown. I [32:08] won't say his name. It would be easy to [32:09] figure it out, but he's on one of the uh [32:12] committees. He called [32:13] >> and we did figure it out. It was Eric [32:14] Berles. [32:15] >> Called in on speaker phone and and they [32:17] put him on speaker phone. Very very [32:19] famous uh representative. And this is [32:22] what he said to us in that room. He [32:23] said, "Are the pastors listening to me?" [32:26] >> Wow. [32:26] >> And uh and the only ones that was in [32:28] that room that were pastors was me and [32:29] Sandy. Uh Jamie Walden was there and uh [32:33] Tony Merkel [32:34] >> and he's [32:35] >> So this guy Tony was at both meetings. [32:37] Um, but these are two separate meetings, [32:38] but it was with the same people running [32:40] the meetings, right? So, it was two [32:42] basically identical for all intents and [32:44] purposes, two identical meetings. And on [32:46] the one that Larry was part of, which is [32:47] weird cuz Allan's like suggested that [32:49] Larry was part of his meeting. [32:51] >> That was Alan was just wrong about that. [32:52] Maybe he didn't remember. I don't know. [32:55] >> Tony was always there. [32:57] >> He's always there. He was always there. [32:59] >> We're going to hear [33:00] >> and there was a local pastor there. [33:02] Found out later deposit. We're going to [33:04] hear later from Tony Merkel and he was [33:07] at the meeting. I have clips of him [33:08] explaining it very recently. He just [33:09] came out with a video where he walks [33:10] through this stuff. And guys, it is the [33:12] opposite of what you heard it was [33:13] initially. It's just the opposite. [33:15] >> Z, this troubles me. 20 to 25 very [33:18] prominent pastors were invited to be in [33:19] the meeting that I was in and they all [33:21] turned it down. [33:22] >> And that's a statement of the condition [33:24] of the church in my opinion. [33:26] >> And so this this congressman said, [33:28] "Pastors, are you there? Can you hear [33:30] me?" And I spoke up and I said, "We're [33:32] here." And he said, 'I am begging you, [33:36] and this is maybe not perfect words, but [33:38] this is what he said. He goes, [33:40] please go tell your congregations that [33:44] they are not ready for what is coming. [33:47] >> My goodness, [33:47] >> what we have seen and what we know is [33:49] coming. He said, "I," this congressman [33:52] said, "I have generals. I have people [33:55] that have seen these things that are [33:58] asking me to contact the pastors and ask [34:01] the pastors, beg and plead with the [34:03] pastors, please wake up your [34:06] congregation and tell them they are not [34:07] ready because the church is going to [34:10] fall for this lie." [34:13] >> That is not possibly what Eric, excuse [34:16] me, not possibly what Larry said. was [34:18] that uh Eric Berles, you know, he just [34:21] forgot to pause and go, okay, this [34:23] part's my opinion. He put in the mouth [34:25] of the congressman, I have generals who [34:27] are pleading with me like this is, come [34:29] on, bro. You are if your apology video [34:32] is real, if there's any element of [34:34] reality to that apology, then you are [34:36] clearly fabricating information here to [34:39] try to elevate the sternness and the [34:42] authority of the things that you're [34:43] saying. And that is [34:46] sadly something that happens too often [34:48] in charismatic churches. It just it's [34:50] just got you just got caught. You got [34:52] caught. Now he's not the only one who [34:54] had to apologize. Flash forward to May [34:56] 8th, several days later and you've got [34:58] Alan Dio and he's previously he's saying [35:01] it's true. Everything that's kind of on [35:03] the top of your page there. And now he [35:04] says just to clarify on May 8th the [35:06] government didn't call the meeting. It [35:08] was a private group of Christian [35:09] intelligence operators. Now what does [35:12] that mean? What do you guys think it [35:13] means when you're a Christian [35:15] intelligence operator? Well, if you're [35:16] not with the government, but you're an [35:18] intelligence operator, then you are [35:19] effectively a freelancer. And that is [35:21] not a pjorative term, but that's what [35:22] they are. They were freelancers. So, [35:24] this is this is the part where I show [35:26] you they're walking it back. Now, [35:27] they're walking things back. They're [35:28] going, "Oh, I'm sorry. I was wrong about [35:30] the congressman, even though it was [35:31] clear that you fabricated just reality. [35:34] You should have said, "Guys, for [35:36] whatever reason, whatever character flaw [35:37] I've got, I'm sorry. Apologize. Forgive [35:38] me. I fabricated stuff to try to make [35:40] the thing look bigger than it was." And [35:42] then it got carried on the news. Um [35:44] Allan Dio for whatever reason he [35:47] affirmed things that were not true that [35:48] later he had to walk back and uh Perry [35:51] Stone uh he he should actually just not [35:56] be a ministry from from this stuff. [35:57] There's reliable reports of of things [35:59] about Perry Stone that have nothing to [36:00] do with this that [36:02] Yeah. [36:03] So the spin begins and the spin begins [36:07] uh in various places to now gosh now [36:09] that we're walking these things back. Do [36:11] we kind of like Larry takes some real [36:13] responsibility but not not total [36:15] responsibility or do we do we do like [36:17] Perry Stone and just ignore it and not [36:19] say anything or do we do perhaps Allan [36:21] Dio and say it's everybody else. I [36:23] actually been consistent. I've only told [36:25] the truth. Everybody else is is getting [36:27] this stuff wrong. They're all [36:28] exaggerating it and blowing out of out [36:29] of proportion. Now, it was around this [36:31] time when it first started shifting or [36:33] right before it started shifting that I [36:34] made a video. And this video, I was busy [36:37] and I didn't want to spend a lot of time [36:38] on this. I just pulled out my phone and [36:40] recorded myself while I was melting [36:42] styrofoam in acetone because I couldn't [36:44] fit it in my trash can. So, I'm [36:47] recording this video while I'm melting [36:48] styrofoam and acetone. And I I offer [36:50] some critiques and I say, "Guys, [36:53] so I'm out here uh trying to get rid of [36:55] some of this styrofoam without filling [36:58] up my trash can. This is the uh acetone [37:00] trick. But here's the thing. I want to [37:01] talk about aliens and pastors. Um [37:05] recently there's some stuff going viral [37:07] um about a few pastors like um Perry [37:10] Stone and Alan Deio and Mike Signarelli [37:12] talking about uh being at a meeting. And [37:15] I just want to ask for some clarity [37:16] here. The Let me just say this. This all [37:18] stinks guys. This stinks. I'm not saying [37:20] no meeting happened, but the way that [37:23] they're talking about it, you would [37:24] think that this is an official [37:26] government meeting where the government [37:28] brought in these guys in order to give [37:30] them a um a briefing on stuff that's [37:33] coming. They said in order to to tell [37:35] the church and help protect the church [37:36] and all this, the way they talk about [37:38] it, it's easy for normal people to think [37:41] that this is actually a government [37:44] meeting. Like, you know, the government [37:45] called the meeting. this is like the [37:47] president saying, "Hey, I I want these [37:51] pastors to know what's going on so they [37:53] can prepare people." When in reality, it [37:55] sounds more like the same kind of [37:56] meetings that have happened many, many [37:58] times where a group of people get [38:00] together and they say, "Hey, um, we [38:03] think that there's going to be [38:05] disclosures. We think that there's the [38:06] government's going to release stuff. We [38:07] think that this is the nature of the [38:08] beings." And it sounds to me like the [38:11] kind of sort of alien meetings that have [38:13] been going on for like 50 years. That's [38:15] what it sounds like. And the reason why [38:17] it's suddenly going viral is not because [38:19] they had a meeting and and it's actually [38:20] not because of the idea that the [38:22] government's going to disclose things [38:23] cuz hello, the government's been [38:24] disclosing information about UFOs and [38:27] whatnot for quite a while now. This is [38:29] not new. The reason why this is [38:31] interesting to people, the reason why [38:32] this went viral uh is going viral is [38:35] because they implied that this is that [38:38] what they have is um top secret [38:40] information from the government itself [38:43] about these things. That's why that's [38:45] the reason why this is suddenly going [38:47] viral. And I'm questioning whether [38:49] that's true because it doesn't seem like [38:51] it is true on the surface. And the way [38:54] they talk about it, if you listen [38:55] carefully, some of them just say like [38:57] government people were there. Hold on. [39:00] You don't say that when you're at an [39:01] actual government meeting. You don't say [39:03] government people were there. Like if I [39:05] go to the White House because I'm [39:06] invited by the president to be at a [39:08] meeting. I don't go, "Hey guys, [39:11] government people were at the meeting." [39:12] Like that's just not the way you discuss [39:13] it. So, I'm just saying this looks to me [39:18] not like something that never happened, [39:20] but probably never happened in the way [39:22] that people are thinking it happened. [39:24] When people listen to these guys talk, [39:26] it probably never happened like that. [39:28] And I'm thinking that their um their [39:31] claims are going to turn out to be far [39:33] less interesting once you actually get [39:35] down to it. Now, what I will do is I'll [39:36] mention this. It is important that [39:37] Christians think about aliens um as far [39:41] as within Christian theology. Like what [39:42] does that mean? Most believers think [39:44] they have the answers here in my [39:45] experience, but they haven't thought [39:46] very deeply about it. I'm just being [39:48] real. So, I will link a video where I [39:50] talked about the issue. I'll I'll link [39:52] it down below. I talked about the issue [39:53] of like what if there are aliens? Um, [39:55] how does that affect Christian theology? [39:57] How do we process that? And it's not [39:59] just the cursory, well, there demons end [40:01] of story. Job's done. Uh, I I think it's [40:04] important that we go ahead and do the [40:06] thought exercise of considering the [40:08] various possibilities in light of our [40:10] Christian biblical theology. So, I'm [40:12] going to share that below and maybe [40:13] these guys can clarify. Are you guys [40:14] kind of making people think that your [40:16] meeting was a much bigger deal than it [40:18] really was cuz that's what it looks like [40:21] to me and I consider that clickbait and [40:24] ultimately disrespecting your audiences. [40:26] Um, so let's just find out what really [40:29] happened. Tell us the stuff that you're [40:31] not telling us guys about your meeting. [40:34] This stuff's going viral. It's freaking [40:35] people out or whatever. So, I just want [40:37] to suggest that these guys may be [40:39] exaggerating that maybe they had a [40:40] meeting, but it wasn't the government [40:43] maybe that called a meeting. I said this [40:44] before it had been confirmed it because [40:46] it was what a lot of people just knew [40:48] instinctively, I think. And I I called [40:50] it and I was right. Um, now I've been [40:53] under attack from Allen Dio for this for [40:56] this very balanced and calm video where [40:57] I was like, "Guys, please come out and [40:59] bring clarity." Um, so I just want to [41:01] put that out there. I've been personally [41:03] brought into this. I've been called an [41:04] ambulance chaser by Alan Dio. And uh I [41:07] have the the what was it? What is it he [41:10] called it? Um a Candace Owens like [41:13] mentality. I think that was the phrase [41:14] he used. [41:16] >> They love the twisting of even some of [41:17] the most prominent YouTube theologians [41:21] that everyone thinks they can go to for [41:23] solid biblical answers. I look at their [41:25] response to this and how they're [41:26] reacting and I see just petulants, [41:29] ambulance chasers, viewchasers. Then I [41:33] saw your comments today that were so off [41:35] the mark, so misrepresentative of what [41:37] had been said in the past. And it just [41:40] makes it it made you look like an [41:41] ambulance chaser. That's what it makes [41:43] you look like, a click and view [41:45] ambulance chaser. And I'm I was actually [41:46] re about to reach out to you, willing to [41:49] have a conversation with you, but this [41:51] this whole chasing views, I don't know [41:54] if that's your motive or it's Pavlovian, [41:56] if it's subconscious, but the only way [41:58] you could be involved in every single [42:00] controversy that's going on. I mean, [42:02] maybe it's because you're not a pastor. [42:03] I don't have time to be involved in [42:04] every drama that's going on. The fact [42:05] that you find Mike Wager in every single [42:07] drama that's going on, he inserts [42:09] himself and reads all these comments. [42:10] It's very concerning. But I am willing [42:14] to have a conversation with you. And [42:16] what really what we're seeing is in a [42:18] lot of these ministries who are very [42:20] reactive, including people who have [42:21] joined with us here in this program, [42:24] it's like this Candace Owens type [42:27] um conspiratorial mind. They're matching [42:29] each other's energy. So, it's very much [42:32] like the like the Black Lives Matter [42:33] movement that took place. It just just [42:36] went hyper to an extreme and falsehoods [42:39] and things being perpetuated during [42:40] that. even though that the heart of it [42:43] there's a good cause and so people with [42:45] compassion join to it and didn't realize [42:47] there were witches who were at the base [42:48] of that thing that are actually pushing [42:50] the narrative forward and it's very [42:52] similar this this heretic hunting is has [42:54] gotten kind of out of control [42:57] sorry man you're you're overreacting [43:00] like really strongly about this stuff [43:02] Allan but those that's what you said so [43:03] so I'll mention that stuff's going out [43:06] there I'm more concerned though about [43:07] the idea that this moment of extreme [43:10] exaggeration with lack of accountability [43:12] put into the public square is actually [43:14] exactly what I've been covering in [43:16] cover-up culture. It's this is a symptom [43:18] of a deeper problem. A deeper problem [43:20] within the movement and a deeper problem [43:22] probably with these guys to be honest. [43:24] So the spin begins. Uh this is where [43:28] Allan decides he's going to affirm that [43:30] he never said these guys were in the [43:32] government and that's going to be his [43:34] tactics. So each of these guys has a [43:35] different tactic for how they're going [43:37] to approach this stuff, whether it's [43:38] apology or denial. Uh Allan's path is [43:41] the path of denial. Um where he goes, [43:43] "Why didn't you speak the truth that the [43:45] meeting was not called by government [43:46] officials?" And Allan says, "That's what [43:48] I've always said for months." Joseph Z [43:51] and myself were lured into a meeting at [43:54] an undisclosed location where we were [43:57] forced to turn our phones on airplane [43:59] mode and hear from those who are working [44:03] within the intelligence agencies and [44:05] investigating them what's going down. [44:07] >> Uh no, you haven't always said it. [44:09] you've said kind of various things that [44:11] don't always agree with themselves and [44:12] when Perry came forward you agree with [44:14] him you said what he said was true then [44:17] he's challenged well then you shouldn't [44:19] this is important because again this is [44:21] about accountability here for those who [44:22] care about the minutia that's what I'm [44:24] going to share with you today um he says [44:27] excellent you should also consider [44:28] publicly rebuking Perry for his lies [44:30] which included you and others Paul would [44:32] have done this publicly instead of [44:34] letting a lie play out for personal gain [44:35] which which looks like it may be what [44:37] happened right because Allen's has [44:39] mentioned himself that his book sales [44:40] have increased and that it's it's become [44:42] his 15 minutes of fame. His words 15 [44:44] minutes of fame. Um, but then again, [44:48] Allan's living in La La Land here [44:49] because he says Perry didn't actually [44:50] lie. Perry didn't lie. He was operating [44:54] off secondhand information. I don't know [44:56] what that means. You said it was [44:58] absolutely true, right? So, you mean he [45:01] was wrong, but it wasn't a lie. Okay, [45:04] fine. You can have that. But it was it [45:05] was deceitful and you said it was true. [45:07] So that was the problem that you're not [45:09] facing here. Um you know what he said [45:12] about government being represented in [45:13] that meeting was technically true. [45:16] I all the details in my videos check [45:18] them out on X or YouTube. Government [45:20] being represented in that meeting. What [45:21] does that mean? Does that mean that I [45:23] can like say hey guys uh 5 years ago the [45:27] government announced this and I'm it's [45:28] Mike Winger right just talking. Am I [45:30] representing government in the in the [45:31] meeting now? This is word salad stuff. [45:34] But that's the path that Allen has [45:36] taken. But again, like I said, Allan Dio [45:38] takes he kind of says opposite things. [45:41] He says contradictory things. And for [45:43] example, in the same spaces call, he at [45:47] one point says that they were men in the [45:48] government. Then he says maybe they were [45:50] in the government or they were formerly [45:51] government or they're recently formerly [45:52] government or maybe they're still in the [45:54] government. And he kind of doesn't know. [45:55] He gets a text from his buddy Tony in [45:57] the real time in the in the spaces call [45:59] and he goes, "Okay, okay, they're not [46:01] currently government." Allan interprets [46:03] that text to mean they were in the [46:04] government but they're not now. Tony, I [46:07] don't know if he's confirmed that that's [46:08] true. I'm not sure that it is true. I [46:10] don't know what's true about their [46:11] nature of these guys because they're [46:12] both anonymous. [46:14] But then in the same spaces meeting, and [46:16] I know this is getting in the weeds, but [46:18] this is where details matter because [46:19] when you catch people who are deceiving [46:21] you, you only catch them by looking at [46:23] the details. If you ignore the details, [46:25] if you refuse to even look at them, then [46:27] you will you will never vindicate [46:29] anybody and you'll never catch anybody. [46:30] and it'll be whoever talks the fastest [46:32] will control the day. So, he has played [46:35] the two clips. I played you guys early [46:37] the Larry Raglin clip and I played to [46:39] you guys the Perry Stone clip. He plays [46:41] these in his spaces meeting or somebody [46:43] plays them for him and he's asked to [46:45] respond. Was that Perry Stone statement [46:48] and that Larry Raglin statement about [46:49] the congressman? Were these things true? [46:51] Well, this is his response to that in [46:54] the meeting. It blows my mind that he [46:55] would say this. [46:58] >> What do you think about what they [46:58] actually said? Uh, did it all kind of [47:00] resonate with your meeting? [47:02] >> Yeah. Yeah, that that lined up perfectly [47:04] with what with what we discussed. Both [47:06] Perry's description and Larry Raglin's [47:08] description. [47:10] >> What do you think about what Listen to [47:11] this again cuz Perry Stone said lizard [47:14] people, government people were [47:16] represented were in the meeting um that [47:18] they were current government workers and [47:21] uh Larry said that there was a a [47:23] congressman who was speaking on behalf [47:25] of generals that were begging them. [47:27] Okay. And none of that was true. And he [47:30] says this, [47:30] >> they actually said, uh, did it all kind [47:32] of resonate with your meeting? [47:34] >> Yeah. Yeah, that that lined up perfectly [47:37] with what with what we discussed, both [47:38] Perry's description and Larry Raglin's [47:40] description [47:42] >> perfectly. It lined up perfectly. The [47:44] details lined up perfectly. This is [47:47] where the confusion is is is brought. [47:49] It's guys like Allan Dio. And it's not [47:50] just Allen. He's not the only guy, [47:52] right? Uh Mike Signarelli also caused a [47:54] lot of confusion with his clips and I [47:56] I'll share some stuff there as well. So [47:58] I've showed you a little bit of a guy [47:59] named Joseph Z. That's his last name [48:02] starts with a Z, but he goes by Joseph Z [48:04] and he's considered a prophet in the [48:05] movement or prophetic guy at least [48:07] considered that in the movement. And he [48:09] has in fact prophesied falsely in the [48:11] past. Uh I want you to know these guys [48:13] are unreliable. It's important that we [48:14] know that because they should not be [48:16] looked at and taken seriously. I'm [48:17] sorry. This is reality. Please don't [48:19] take them seriously. So this is Joseph [48:22] Z. [48:22] >> First of all, I love this network. [48:24] >> And what he's about to do on your screen [48:26] is he's about to give a false, a wrong [48:28] and untrue prophecy where he declares [48:31] bold-faced in God's name. He speaks in [48:33] first person in God's with God's words [48:36] according to him. Something that was [48:37] completely false and untrue. And I have [48:39] to give you a tiny bit of background. [48:41] There's a an organization called Dayar. [48:43] Dayar like second biggest Christian [48:46] media organization in the world, I've [48:47] been told. Um it's huge, right? Like [48:49] there was all everybody was on Dayar. [48:51] All of the big programs and Christian [48:52] programmers were on Dayar until they [48:54] went through a lot of controversy [48:56] because of serious serious moral [48:58] concerns about the leadership of Dayar [49:00] related to infidelity um uh uncristian [49:03] handling of of marriage of divorce and [49:05] remarage as well as then it got exposed [49:08] like handling of child abuse stuff. And [49:12] so [49:14] that stuff all went viral and then they [49:16] started people dropping off the map. And [49:18] what happened is Joseph Z comes up and [49:21] he's going to prophesy to them that [49:22] they're about to be restored. Now, he [49:24] prophesied this shortly before Joanie [49:26] Lamb, head of Dayar, actually died. [49:28] Sadly, tragically, but still, she died. [49:31] He prophesies this to her shortly before [49:33] she dies. This is the guy who's giving [49:35] who's going to be your source on what [49:36] the government's about to tell you and [49:37] what you should think about it. [49:39] >> First of all, I love this network. I [49:42] love this network. It's changing the [49:44] world. But I heard these words and I'm [49:46] being obedient to the Lord. [49:50] Joanie Lamb, [49:52] the Lord says, "You have passed [49:55] >> and you are coming to the other side [49:57] now." And for God Almighty is saying, [50:00] "Have I not given you the crown? Have I [50:01] not given you the scepter? And will you [50:03] not gain a second scepter, says the [50:05] Lord? I'm bringing a second scepter into [50:08] your hand. For my eyes have seen and my [50:11] ears have heard and I know this hour and [50:14] I have predestined it for you and this [50:17] season that you're walking in. So the [50:19] blessing of the Lord is upon this [50:21] platform. The blessing of the Lord is [50:23] upon this ministry and God is saying, "I [50:27] reside here and strength is upon you, [50:30] Joanie. Strength is upon you, Doug. And [50:33] what the enemy has meant for evil, the [50:35] Lord God Almighty of heaven is going to [50:37] turn it around for your good. [50:41] This is a false prophecy, right? This is [50:44] not from the Lord. It did not come to [50:45] pass. I I talked to Alan Dio about this [50:47] cuz he was upset that I called them [50:48] unreliable guys. And I was like, "Well, [50:50] your guy Joseph Z, he has a bunch of [50:51] like word salad prophecies all the time. [50:54] They don't mean anything. Um, Remnant [50:56] Radio's done reviews reviews of his [50:58] prophecies." And they're like, "It's [50:59] it's nothing burgers." And then when he [51:01] does come forward and shares a very bold [51:03] one that's very clear what it means it [51:05] completely falls flat on his face almost [51:08] as though God wanted you to get caught [51:10] with your pants down Joseph C. And that [51:13] is indeed what happened and he's going [51:15] to make it better than it was in the [51:16] first place. And I see God's hand of [51:19] favor upon you. Righteousness exalts a [51:22] nation. [51:24] And I call you a Deborah. I call you not [51:27] only an Esther, but I call you a warrior [51:30] in the house of God. And the Lord says, [51:33] you carry a mantle like an Abraham, [51:35] Joanie, and I bless you and Doug [51:38] together, and we stand with you. And I [51:40] want to just say this. God is here. [51:46] Now, this is where it gets even worse. [51:48] Okay, that's a false prophecy where he's [51:49] like God told said this and he declares [51:51] in God's name this is blasphemy against [51:53] God to declare things in God's name that [51:55] God is not saying that is blasphemy. Um [51:59] worse than that is they're actually not [52:00] on the right side of these things. The [52:02] as far as I can tell, as far as most [52:03] every everybody I know who I trust can [52:05] tell, um the lambs are on the wrong well [52:08] Joanie Lamb's on the wrong side of this [52:09] thing. Not all of them because she has [52:11] she has a son who seems like he's [52:12] fighting the right from the in the right [52:14] direction on these issues. Um, but this [52:17] this her husband that he says God's with [52:20] you and your husband. This is the guy [52:21] that two months after Joanie Lamb's [52:23] husband died, he divorced his wife [52:25] suddenly and then married Joanie really [52:27] quick. Um, to all intents and purposes, [52:30] it appears reasonably that he did so. He [52:33] divorced his wife to marry another [52:34] woman. Um, [52:36] we have a word for that. Jesus gave it [52:38] to us. He who divorces his wife marries [52:40] another that commits adultery. Uh, that [52:42] the purpose of the divorce was for [52:43] remarage with somebody else. That's uh [52:45] pretty clear. So, [52:48] here's where it gets worse than all [52:49] that. Uh Ron Caner, who you guys have [52:52] seen in the video that I did about uh [52:54] Michael Brown, very sad situation. A lot [52:56] of these, they're all sad situations, [52:58] but they need to be dealt with and [52:59] called out because we can't refine the [53:00] church unless we're willing to go [53:01] through the fire. So, [53:04] Ron Caner, he's got some insidef info [53:07] and some connections for many, many [53:09] years of doing ministry and being very, [53:10] very charismatic as well. and he's a guy [53:12] that I trust who has been willing to [53:14] call things out and put his neck on the [53:15] line inside the movement and pay the [53:17] price for it. Um, and this guy says, you [53:20] know, I had a buddy and I trust Ron [53:22] guys. I I also personally know him. I [53:24] trust him. And he says, I have a buddy [53:26] who, so take this as you want. [53:27] Secondhand doesn't mean it's not true. [53:30] uh who was called up by Dayar and they [53:33] were trying to get him on all the [53:34] programs so that he could affirm that [53:36] Joanie and Doug's marriage was okay and [53:38] that that they're like putting the seal [53:40] of approval with their authority with [53:42] with their respect they have you people [53:44] have towards them putting the seal of [53:45] approval on Dayar to try to bring people [53:47] back cuz they had this exodus everybody [53:49] abandoned Dayar because of the carnality [53:51] and the stuff that was going on and the [53:52] controversy and this guy wouldn't do it [53:55] he refused and so then boom it dried up [53:58] well it sure looked looks like it's [54:01] reasonable to think that Joseph Z [54:04] decided to fill those shoes, getting on [54:05] the program and prophesying. There's [54:07] only one other person that I personally [54:08] am aware of who went on and prophesied [54:10] falsely to the lambs, to Joanie and and [54:12] well, Joanie Lamb and then Doug Weiss uh [54:14] prophesied to them about God prospering [54:17] them and getting them through and about [54:18] all these good things happening to them. [54:20] And guess who it is? It's Shawn BS. Sean [54:22] BS, who I made my video about, the [54:24] six-hour video about coverup culture [54:25] that kind of launched so much of what's [54:27] going on right now, at least launched it [54:29] forward more. Much of it was already [54:30] happening. I certainly don't take credit [54:32] for anything. Um, no, no. What what [54:34] really launched all this stuff is the [54:35] corruption that's in the movement. [54:37] That's what launched it. Nobody else [54:38] would have mattered if it hadn't been [54:40] for that. So, Joseph Z gives a false [54:42] prophecy where he is now caught [54:44] red-handed in it. This is the guy who's [54:46] one of the sources. This is why I say [54:48] these are unreliable men. You've got [54:51] you've got you've got a man who [54:53] threatened to kill himself when he was [54:54] busted with multiple witnesses about his [54:57] predatory behaviors towards people, [54:59] women that worked for him as a as a [55:01] leader, as a pastor. Um, and threatened [55:03] he was going to kill himself or burn his [55:04] ministry down to the ground. U, we've [55:07] got um, uh, you know, Joseph Z, fake [55:10] prophet. We've got Larry Raglin who made [55:12] up stuff about a a sitting uh, [55:14] congressman in the United States [55:15] government and then apologized halfway [55:17] about it. We've got Alan Dio who talks [55:20] out of both sides of his mouth. Well, [55:23] they were they're men who were in the [55:24] government. Oh, you know, they're [55:26] they're they're not in the government. [55:28] They are in the government. He said all [55:29] of the above. And he affirms that the [55:31] videos from Larry Raglin and uh Perry [55:33] Stone are true. Okay, so all that stuff [55:35] is the case. Now, let's talk about what [55:37] they actually were saying for months cuz [55:39] guess what? This thing happened in [55:40] February. This secret meeting actually [55:42] happened in February. It's May now. [55:44] They've talked about it several times [55:46] between now and then. And it only went [55:47] viral when they really started pushing [55:49] this it was government kind of [55:50] narrative. Now in their earlier [55:52] conversations it didn't quite land the [55:54] same way. They talked about this and it [55:56] it yes they were like implying that [55:58] government was involved on occasions but [56:00] they were saying that the government was [56:02] actually the bad guy in this scenario. [56:04] And what was going to happen is [56:05] disclosures were going to come about [56:06] aliens and the government itself was [56:08] going to push a narrative that was going [56:10] to be antichrist specifically antichrist [56:12] and even anti- King James in particular [56:14] according to Allen. By the way, alien [56:16] entities hate the King James Bible. They [56:21] are gearing us up for the great [56:23] deception that I believe it could be [56:25] even what would deceive the elect if [56:27] possible. I believe what they're going [56:29] to release is going to so fit the [56:31] narrative. They're going to say Jesus [56:32] was a spirit, you know, enlightened [56:34] being that came down, however they frame [56:36] it with their terminology. He came down [56:38] and he was one of these star people. And [56:41] they're going to try to lay over [56:42] scripture, all of their narrative, which [56:45] is really demonic in origin. They're [56:47] going to say, "Ah, you're close. You're [56:48] close. You're close. Here's what [56:50] actually happened. Come on. Here's what [56:51] really happened." But particularly since [56:53] the ' 50s, there has been a massive push [56:55] from occultic organizations in [56:57] partnership with and Luciferian [56:59] organizations. That's right. In [57:01] partnership with the federal government [57:02] to bring deception. Manly P. Paul, who I [57:05] believe was a a confidant to the [57:07] president, I think it was Roosevelt, uh [57:09] said, "Our our main problem, we've been [57:11] trying to introduce another translation [57:13] of the Bible." Yeah, [57:14] >> that is reasonably correct, [57:16] >> but these King James people with their [57:19] every jot and tit are holding back the [57:21] Bible translation we want to release. [57:24] This was a famed occultist trying to [57:26] introduce another Bible translation for [57:28] the purpose of u [57:32] kettle getting warmer. you know, the [57:33] frog in the kettle. [57:34] >> That's right. [57:34] >> Just to get us acclimated to their [57:37] ideology a little bit more and a little [57:38] bit more and a little bit more. And now [57:40] we're to the place where the body of [57:41] Christ is primed. [57:42] >> Yes. for whatever deception uh the [57:45] government, the occultists want to put [57:46] in front of. [57:55] I'm going to have a very important [57:57] discussion today on the topic of UFOs, [58:00] UAPs, nonhuman intelligence, and a [58:04] recent clandestine meeting that me and [58:07] some of my friends were pulled into and [58:09] given some information about where [58:11] things are headed with this disclosure [58:13] narrative. [58:14] >> Good to be here, man. Good to see you, [58:16] gentlemen. And it's good to have this [58:17] conversation. And we've got some [58:19] previously classified documents, some [58:21] sensitive intelligence that the three of [58:23] us were in a meeting gathering. [58:25] >> There's so many things going on. We, the [58:27] three of us and uh and a few few others, [58:29] just a handful of people were pulled [58:31] into a meeting and we really got data [58:34] and information. Well, I've got to say [58:35] this was one of the most unusual [58:37] meetings I've ever been a part of where [58:40] the three of us along with maybe three [58:41] others. It seems like a half a dozen [58:43] people uh were gathered in an Airbnb in [58:46] the mountains of Tennessee uh discussing [58:49] an investigation that's going on in the [58:50] United States government against crimes [58:53] they have committed in the process of [58:55] retrieving and reverse engineering um [58:59] technology from nonhuman intelligence. [59:02] The meeting also went forward to discuss [59:04] the propaganda plan that was in place [59:08] leading up to disclosure. The urgency of [59:11] the meeting was there's about to be [59:12] disclosure. We need to have a [59:14] conversation with key ministers who have [59:16] a big reach and a big influence so that [59:18] the body of Christ is not unprepared and [59:22] is knocked back on their heels when this [59:24] information comes out. So a cult this [59:27] deals with hidden things, dark things, [59:28] secret things. We see this happening. [59:30] Actually, we talked about factions [59:31] within the government in this meeting [59:33] that are actually involved in occultic [59:35] activity. And Tony can speak to that [59:36] here in a moment. [59:38] >> The meeting we were in, Tony, [59:40] >> they said this. They said, "The [59:42] government has been told a lie. The [59:45] government believes that lie and that is [59:48] what they are going to reveal to us. [59:50] They're going to reveal a lie to us." [59:52] What we were told in that meeting was to [59:54] watch out for supposed allies, [59:58] people who appear to be on our side. [60:00] They appear to be Christian and they've [60:03] been a part of the Christian community [60:04] and the Christian conversation in this [60:06] space. And these people will come out [60:08] and say, "Well, you know, some [60:09] Christians say it's demons." But it's [60:12] far more complicated than that. And I'm [60:14] a Christian and I believe the Bible, but [60:16] I can tell you that it's far more comp. [60:18] That's what we have to watch out for [60:19] there. So I'm going to share more [60:20] evidence that the nature of the meeting [60:22] was not government related. Uh [60:25] definitive evidence a little bit later [60:27] from the guy that called the meeting [60:28] himself saying is as much uh that the [60:31] people were there were not from [60:32] government. Nobody that was there was [60:33] from the government or working in the [60:35] government and that the documents that [60:36] they were using and the information they [60:38] were releasing is all um uh public [60:41] information and not stuff that is [60:43] currently confidential info. Uh yeah, [60:47] that's the stuff he says. So, I'll play [60:48] that clip for you later, but what I want [60:50] to do right now is just highlight kind [60:52] of the tenor, the reason why I'm a [60:53] little concerned about these guys [60:55] heading sort of the conversation from [60:58] the Christian perspective on these types [60:59] of issues. Again, I feel as though these [61:01] and this is because it's such a public [61:02] matter, it should be publicly known. [61:03] They're just unreliable guys. Um, well, [61:06] this is Larry Raglin. Just so you [61:08] understand where he's coming from, I [61:10] feel this could cause people into like [61:12] lead them into like a type of religious [61:13] psychosis. I think can be very unhealthy [61:15] for people and it can kind of cause the [61:17] panic that they're worried about fixing. [61:18] They're going to create. So, I'll just [61:20] play the clip for you here. This is how [61:22] Larry Raglin uh couches things. Tonight, [61:25] we need to address something very, very [61:27] important. We talk a lot about the [61:28] narrative and the disclosure that's [61:30] coming, but more and more and every day [61:32] that goes by, I'm beginning to see [61:35] what's really about to happen. There is [61:37] a certain group of people who are trying [61:39] to get out in front of the actual roll [61:42] out of disclosure. And ladies and [61:44] gentlemen, it's in my opinion the most [61:46] alarming uh disclosure, if you will. [61:49] They're coming after the church and [61:51] they're going to begin to make us the [61:53] enemy right at the beginning of this [61:56] thing called disclosure. We're going to [61:58] expose that narrative tonight. We're [62:00] going to talk about what we feel like is [62:01] really coming. This is a very, very [62:03] important show. Stay to the end and [62:05] you're going to want to share this and [62:07] send it to some people because we're not [62:08] going to allow this because that is why [62:10] we have this show to expose the false [62:13] narrative. Let's go. [62:17] This is the thing. This their narrative. [62:19] Okay. Larry's narrative, Alan Toado's [62:21] narrative initially or at least at times [62:23] he's sort of narrative shifts depending [62:24] on what what moment he's talking. Um [62:26] their narrative is that the and this is [62:28] Mike Signarelli. The government itself [62:31] is going to be the source of the false [62:33] information, the false narrative, right? [62:34] We release files and then we tell [62:36] people, we interpret the information in [62:38] a way that is specifically targeted [62:39] against Christians. Uh that is the [62:41] narrative that they're telling. Uh went [62:44] viral and they splintered in the way [62:46] that they each approached it [62:47] differently, but this is actually what [62:49] they're promoting and it's the thing [62:50] that they've been promoting for a while. [62:52] It's the thing that Larry has believed [62:53] for quite some time. We got something [62:55] really important to start the show off [62:56] with that is I mean huge. Let's go. [63:01] >> This is his show intro here. [63:10] >> IN THE NAME OF JESUS. YOU WITH ME? LET'S [63:14] GO. [63:15] >> YOU'RE WATCHING the big picture. [63:22] >> The idea is that aliens are demons. [63:24] Okay, that's the core of the whole [63:25] thing. The aliens themselves, if they [63:27] exist at all, are demons. That is the [63:31] view that these guys hold to. Now, [63:33] maybe, you know, some of them Allan [63:35] might try to nuance that a bit, but [63:36] basically the idea is they're demons. [63:38] And the people that we have to watch out [63:39] for the most are people like myself who [63:42] are going to suggest that we should look [63:43] at the evidence and let the evidence [63:44] lead us where it leads us. If there are [63:46] aliens, I'm somewhat skeptical, but I'm [63:48] open to the idea. Show me the evidence. [63:50] Um, or if it's if they're somehow [63:52] spiritual beings or demonic, I'm open to [63:54] that, too. or if there's just nothing [63:56] out there. Um, and that a lot of this is [63:58] going to be just human origin anomalies [64:00] and things like that, which I'm inclined [64:02] to think that, but I don't have a [64:03] conclusion without looking at the [64:04] evidence. Right? Their conclusion before [64:06] we've seen the evidence is these are [64:08] demons. These are demons. And the and [64:10] the government is going to do a [64:11] coordinated effort to convince [64:13] Christians that these demons are [64:15] benevolent alien beings. Uh, to replace [64:17] Jesus, to feed into Islam, to feed into [64:20] the occult, to feed into all these [64:21] things. That's the nature of their [64:24] conspiratorial thinking. This is their [64:25] view. And it's not about government [64:28] really. It's not about disclosures [64:30] really. It's about this idea of a nar a [64:32] narrative that the government's going to [64:33] push. That is what they are all about. [64:36] Which is why they go on to say that [64:37] Christians are unprepared. [64:40] And uh this this subject matter is no [64:42] longer fringe. It's no longer fringe [64:44] subject matter. It's being discussed in [64:45] the Department of Defense, being [64:47] discussed um in congressional hearings, [64:50] and now with these secretive meetings. [64:53] Really was an interesting meeting. I [64:54] can't wait to give you the details of [64:56] this um with pastors in an attempt to [64:59] spread the word because churches, [65:01] Christians are generally unprepared. [65:04] Unprepared. [65:06] It's important that I play this [65:07] particular clip because later on Alan [65:08] Dio says, "I never said Christians were [65:10] unprepared. Christians are prepared." [65:13] Um, so there's just that back and forth [65:15] of what is the truth. This is the [65:18] fear-mongering uh of Perry Stone because [65:20] I want to show you I showed you his [65:21] video before, but I didn't show you the [65:23] thumbnail he made for his video, which [65:25] is beware of deceptive government [65:26] reports about to be released. Perry [65:28] Stone, right? The news picked up on the [65:30] idea that it was government in [65:32] government themselves was calling these [65:34] pastors together and that's because of [65:36] the way these men talked about it. But [65:38] their actual thing, their real thing is [65:40] the government is the source of the [65:42] deception. That was their thing. Uh this [65:44] is the um original thumbnail for his [65:47] video. That was the title of the video. [65:49] This is the thumbnail of the video. [65:50] Beware of deceptive government reports [65:52] about to be released. Perry Stone. So [65:55] yes, very much that's the nature of what [65:58] was going on here. Uh this is why Perry [66:00] Stone's original video was titled that [66:02] way. Now then the Mike Signarelli video. [66:04] I haven't showed you this yet, but I [66:06] need to show you the Mike Signarelli [66:08] clips. Um, I probably should have showed [66:09] them to you earlier, but here they come. [66:12] Mike Signarelli. Oh boy. Mike [66:14] Signarelli. Um, he has a pretty, uh, [66:17] strong presence online. Um, I'm not [66:19] trying to throw everything he ever does [66:21] under the bus here. That's not my agenda [66:22] here. This moment was a moment of deep [66:25] irresponsibility and one for which [66:28] they're not not being made accountable, [66:30] not willing to face accountability. And [66:32] so, we're going to talk about it. This [66:33] is Mike Signarelli when he brought his [66:36] crew on and the whole group of them got [66:38] together in order to have a discussion [66:40] about what happened in their meeting. [66:42] Listen to what they said about it [66:44] because it is kind of wild. Mike did [66:47] nothing other than hype this up like [66:50] crazy. Listen to me or rather listen to [66:52] him as he describes the government soft [66:56] launching conversations about UFOs and [66:59] UAPs which is the context of this [67:01] meeting. Now, this this video I'm about [67:03] to show you, this is the opening of [67:04] their video. The title of this video for [67:06] Mike Signarelli was 94% of you are not [67:08] prepared for the upcoming disclosure. [67:10] The thumbnail image of the video. It's I [67:13] I got to show this to you. Let me get my [67:15] face out of the way here. The thumbnail [67:16] of this video straight up has their [67:18] faces. Joseph Z, Alan Dio, Mike [67:20] Signarelli. It says secret briefing. And [67:22] what what is behind Mike? Well, not only [67:25] is there a UFO behind him, but there's a [67:27] confidential file implying it's a this [67:30] implies it's a government briefing, but [67:32] stronger than that is the way he [67:34] actually opened his video. So, let me [67:36] play for you now clips from that very [67:39] video. Right now, governments are soft [67:41] launching conversations about nonhuman [67:44] intelligence, UFOs, UAPs, and actual [67:47] contact with what they're calling [67:48] extraterrestrials. If you are a born [67:50] again believer, I'm telling you, you're [67:53] not prepared. It's why you're divinely [67:55] watching this right now. [67:56] >> I just want to say I'm opposed to this [67:58] idea of telling every viewer they're [67:59] divinely watching this because they're [68:01] not prepared for the things that are [68:04] being disclosed. That is that is [68:06] irresponsible hype. Um anyway, what's [68:10] worse, I don't know if it's worse or [68:11] not, but what's definitely present also [68:12] is this idea that governments are soft [68:14] launching conversations. The implication [68:15] is we're telling you about our secret [68:18] meeting. It was a government meeting. [68:19] That's how it's implied. That that's [68:20] what it sounds like. As this disclosure [68:23] happens, you're going to see generation [68:25] Z actually start to adopt this as a [68:27] religion. Your children, they could be a [68:29] part of a portion of the body of Christ [68:31] who fall away by this research. About [68:34] 90% of you watching right now are at [68:37] risk of being deceived by this [68:40] disclosure. Right? The research had [68:42] nothing to do with that disclosure. By [68:44] the way, I've watched this whole video. [68:46] Here's a few other select clips from it [68:48] to just show the type of hype and the [68:51] psychosis that you could be inducing in [68:52] people when you do this sort of thing. [68:55] Uh pastors, if they're going to prepare [68:56] people for things, they need to do it [68:58] responsibly and with wisdom and with [69:00] care. This is viral content making. This [69:04] is not pastoral care. Now, governments [69:07] are soft launching conversations about [69:09] nonhuman intelligence. Have you heard [69:11] that phrase? UFOs, UAPs, and actual [69:15] contact with what they're calling it [69:17] extraterrestrials. The church is not [69:19] prepared. If you are a born-again [69:22] believer, I'm telling you, you're not [69:24] prepared. That's why you're divinely [69:25] watching this right now. [69:26] >> I just want to point out again, Alan Dio [69:28] was like, I I said the church was [69:29] prepared. He's in the room right now. [69:32] He not only said the church wasn't [69:33] prepared, he says they're all saying [69:35] this. But the context of this viral [69:38] moment is that Mike Signarelli is [69:40] absolutely feeding into the idea that [69:42] they were part of a secret government [69:44] meeting that was launched by the [69:45] government. A soft launch of a [69:47] conversation in order to help prepare [69:49] people. The same thing they were saying [69:51] elsewhere. The reason why I keep [69:53] hammering this down is because the lie [69:55] is that they never said this in the [69:56] first place. And Allan Dio more than [69:58] anyone else has doubled down on that [69:59] lie. Th this this has to be one of the [70:03] greatest deceptions of our lifetime [70:04] that's happening. [70:05] >> If the church doesn't get ahead of this [70:07] and begin to talk about this, then we're [70:08] going to we're going to miss the boat [70:10] and see a great falling away. [70:11] >> As a matter of Okay, I don't think we're [70:12] going to see a great falling. It's good [70:13] to talk about this stuff, but again, I [70:15] don't see this giant deception that's [70:17] coming. Maybe I'm clueless. Time will [70:19] tell. Um I I don't think most Christians [70:22] are going to have a struggle with their [70:24] faith like that. There's definitely [70:26] conversations we should have about the [70:28] concept of aliens. And that's why years [70:30] ago I made a video on the topic of [70:31] aliens. I'll link it down below. A sober [70:33] analysis of it. Now obviously if if [70:35] there's demons, maybe they're demons, [70:37] but let's not just broad broobr brush [70:41] like it's oh for sure if anything shows [70:42] up is automatically demonic. Like we [70:44] can't even consider other possibilities. [70:47] That's a close-mindedness that will [70:48] actually make us more rigid in our [70:50] thinking and more likely to snap when [70:53] we're confronted with things we didn't [70:54] expect. In fact, we were told in that [70:57] off-site clandestine meeting that one of [71:00] the demonic propaganda arms is going to [71:03] seemingly corroborate with the Islamic [71:07] >> Yeah. [71:07] >> take on the crucifixion of Christ that [71:09] it was actually Judas because remote [71:12] viewing actually revealed that no, it [71:15] was Judas that was crucified, not [71:17] Christ. So, could we be months away from [71:20] the global Islamic community [71:21] celebrating? Look, it vindicates us. [71:24] There's more there I could put, but [71:26] remote viewing. [71:28] Um, [71:29] this is weird stuff. Th This is where [71:31] they're at. This isn't this isn't info [71:33] from the government to the guys. This is [71:35] they're leveraging a viral moment in [71:38] order to get more attention on something [71:40] else. And that is not inherently wrong, [71:43] but the way that they're doing it, Yas, [71:44] is misleading to the people and [71:46] disrespectful to their own audiences. [71:47] Uh, to disrespect people like that and [71:49] then gaslight them over it. All right, [71:50] we're going to show you now Tony Merkel. [71:54] Tony Merkel is the guy that actually [71:55] called the meeting. He just recently did [71:57] a video and he talked about this meeting [71:59] and he gave specific details about the [72:01] facts and the reality behind the [72:02] meeting. And I think of all of the guys [72:04] I've heard talk about this meeting, Tony [72:06] has been the most honest and I want to [72:08] give him credit for that. He's been the [72:10] most honest. the one mistake he's done [72:13] uh for sure was trusting these guys with [72:15] this information, but also uh being in [72:17] the room with them when they said things [72:19] that weren't accurate and not always [72:20] correcting it. And um and I don't I [72:22] understand how that can happen, Tony, if [72:24] you're watching. I get how that can [72:25] happen. You know, you're like feel like [72:27] you're the lower guy on the totem pole [72:28] in the room and that's fair uh to feel [72:30] that way. Um but man, it sure got out of [72:34] hand, didn't it? So anyway, here's Tony [72:36] Merkel debunking his guys. [72:40] I organized the meeting that everybody's [72:42] talking about. [72:44] >> He is [72:46] part of a private group of Christian [72:49] intelligence operators. He's now talking [72:51] about uh this guy who's his contact [72:54] who's bringing the information to the [72:55] meeting. He's the guy who's disclosing [72:57] information to the pastors. Okay, this [72:59] is the this is a guy that Allan Dilla [73:01] was listening to, that Mike Signarelli [73:03] was listening to, that Larry Raglin was [73:04] listening to. And this is what Tony says [73:06] about that guy. private Christian. Uh [73:09] he's not government. [73:12] And I say that very specifically and as [73:17] pure as possible. [73:20] He is not government. [73:25] He is not part of an intelligence [73:27] agency, [73:29] not NSA, CIA, none of the alphabets. As [73:33] far as I know. [73:34] >> Mhm. [73:36] As far as I know, he is part of a [73:39] private group of Christian intelligence [73:43] operators. They are operating privately [73:47] on intelligence with disclosure. [73:52] So this means that these guys deceived [73:55] you, deceived the news and then at least [73:58] in the case of some of them came forward [74:00] and said [74:02] Twitter got it all wrong. Mike Winganger [74:05] misrepresented me. That's that's an [74:07] angle that Allan has taken. Like it's no [74:10] respons zero responsibility for the [74:12] things that they said and did. Um here I [74:14] appreciate Tony clearing the air on [74:16] this. He is at least saying truth here [74:18] and being very clear about it. Uh [74:20] whereas Allan keeps spinning and [74:22] spinning and twisting. I'm just being [74:24] real with it. Um I spent an hour and a [74:26] half on the phone with Allen and he did [74:28] not take accountability for a single [74:30] thing. Not fully, not truly. Um, and it [74:33] was just wild. I I played him clips of [74:36] him saying things where he would be [74:37] like, "Well, I meant it this way." And [74:39] it was clearly, in my opinion, clearly [74:42] just someone who will will just spin and [74:45] spin and spin and spin and have no [74:47] accountability. So, trying to bring that [74:49] accountability. Now, what else? Uh, [74:51] previously he called me a wolf in [74:52] sheep's clothing. Um, which he sort of [74:55] walked back. He said he repented of. [74:57] Well, he kind of sort of walked back, [74:59] but he left it on his YouTube channel [75:00] just like it's still on his YouTube [75:02] channel, at least last I checked, that [75:03] he's calling me a wolf and sheep's or [75:05] excuse me, a ambulance chaser and I [75:07] assume motives and um I don't I don't [75:10] believe the best about people, but he's [75:12] calling me an ambulance chaser. [75:14] Sorry. I think it's funny. And this is [75:16] not anything that's top secret, [75:19] confidential, classified. This is all [75:21] open- source stuff that they have gone [75:24] through uh rubbed shoulders with people, [75:26] gathered information from people and [75:28] came to these kind of conclusions. [75:31] >> It's not intelligence. [75:33] When you think of intelligence, you're [75:35] thinking intel that is private to the [75:37] government that is being released like [75:38] just disclosed. Rather, it's the kind of [75:41] investigations you could do by just [75:44] talking to people and getting disclosed [75:46] stuff. Um that's how he's describing it. [75:48] Maybe you hear him differently. The way [75:49] I understand what Tonyy's saying here is [75:51] to clear the air. Um, not government [75:53] guys, not government information, right? [75:56] That that is that is only available to [75:57] the government that is being disclosed [75:59] as is happening through other channels [76:01] right now. We are getting disclosed [76:02] government information, but that is not [76:04] what was happening in that meeting. [76:07] This is the heart behind the meeting. [76:11] It was not to release classified [76:13] information. It was not sponsored by the [76:17] government. It was not held by people [76:19] within the government. This was a [76:21] private Christian group of intelligence [76:24] operators [76:25] gathering intel and data and doing their [76:28] own networking and sharing with pastors [76:30] any pastors that are willing to listen. [76:33] I don't recall at any moment in the two [76:36] meetings that I was in that reptilians [76:40] were brought up. [76:42] I I could be wrong if you guys [76:46] >> No, they were not brought up. [76:48] >> Not brought up. Okay. [76:50] These guys just I mean you get caught up [76:52] in the news cycle and it goes crazy on [76:54] you. So the the bottom line is this is [76:56] what happened as I understand it at [76:57] least and I've tried to demonstrate it [76:58] to you guys. Step one, there's a [77:00] meeting. They do try to sensationalize [77:02] it a bit and talk about it. They're [77:03] excited about it. It's kind of [77:04] conspiratorial and it's about what the [77:07] how the government will try to spin a [77:09] narrative that is anti-Christian once [77:11] disclosures come out. That's the main [77:13] point. And so they're trying to prepare [77:15] people. And the method of preparing [77:16] people is to make sure that they know [77:18] aliens are demons and don't trust them. [77:20] They're demons. Um not alien beings from [77:23] other lands or other other planets or [77:25] something, but they're they're demons, [77:26] you know. Um and there's other more [77:28] nuance that can be added there. Maybe [77:30] they're also lizard beings from beneath [77:31] the ground or something like that. Um, [77:33] now what happened is when Perry Stone [77:34] made his video, he stressed the [77:36] government connection, which which at [77:38] times they had already done, but it just [77:40] didn't go viral. Okay? And now it goes [77:43] viral. And so they lean in on the very [77:44] things that they know made it viral. So [77:46] as broadly as possible, affirming, I was [77:49] there everything you absolutely [77:52] asked, Allan being asked, is is what [77:54] Perry Stone said accurate? And he goes, [77:55] lines up perfectly. even though they're [77:57] sitting there going, "Uh, the government [77:59] wasn't there and there was no lizard [78:02] stuff and and and uh and we didn't." So, [78:04] in other words, Perry Stone was [78:05] basically very wrong about the meeting, [78:08] but they leveraged this and they pushed [78:10] it and then when they got more push back [78:11] because me or others were saying, "Hey, [78:14] we think you're exaggerating," they [78:15] said, "You guys exaggerated, not us. [78:18] We've been super consistent." Um, in [78:21] other words, it's a big waste of time. [78:23] The reason why I make this video, the [78:25] reason why I'm bothering with this, and [78:26] this is the important bit, is because [78:28] cover-up culture in the charismatic [78:29] church is because things like this don't [78:31] get called out and things like this [78:33] don't get addressed. And I do think that [78:35] if they were part of some other [78:36] denominational group, some other cluster [78:39] of churches. I think they would have [78:40] been called out for these things. It [78:42] just would have self-p policing actually [78:43] takes place. But there's something in [78:45] the culture that refuses this from [78:47] happening. And I don't understand it, [78:48] but it's present. But here's the thing. [78:50] Its time has come. And there are so many [78:52] people in your own churches right now, [78:54] Allan, in your own church, people that [78:56] are probably afraid to say it out loud, [78:58] but they know that you are being a [78:59] manipulative, deceitful person right [79:01] now. And you're just attacking [79:03] individuals like me, trying to trying to [79:04] assault my character in front of your [79:06] own followers so that you can get out [79:08] from underneath the things that are [79:10] being said. Um, you claim you've been [79:12] consistent and honest and only had [79:13] integrity and you've I would suggest [79:16] tried love bombing on me personally, [79:18] which felt very weird [79:21] to be honest. Um, but but there cannot [79:23] be relationship where there cannot be [79:24] truth. There cannot be relationship [79:27] where there can't be truth. And you [79:29] can't have pastors who handle the word [79:32] of God, who are okay with spinning false [79:34] narratives and deceiving people in order [79:37] to achieve other ends. And that cannot [79:39] happen. And that is how you get cover-up [79:41] culture in the charismatic church. So, [79:43] uh, you got your 15 minutes of fame, you [79:45] got your, uh, your book sales, which [79:47] went up, which you, you're the one that [79:48] mentioned your book sales went up there, [79:50] Alan. We actually have the individuals [79:52] behind all of this, uh, who are helping [79:55] to make us all famous, I guess, in our [79:57] 15 minutes here of fame. And, um, in the [80:00] book, which for some it's taken off [80:02] right now, I guess it's because of all [80:04] of this. [80:05] >> Um, it's it's even doing better than the [80:06] rapture book right now on Amazon. But um [80:09] what I do is because this book is I'm [80:12] not this is not um [80:14] >> me falling over the idea of aliens. I [80:17] come at it and there may be a link in [80:19] the description for you to get this. If [80:20] you don't already have this, you need to [80:22] get it. Uh Mike Signarelli, I can't [80:24] believe you said the stuff you said. [80:26] Larry Raglin. Honestly, guys, it's not [80:28] the end of the world for you, but it but [80:30] it should mean please, please, these [80:33] this group of guys, please stop trying [80:34] to climb to the top of the narrative [80:36] control with for the world or for the [80:38] church for that matter. I don't think [80:40] you're the guys for the job. So, sorry [80:43] to bring this stuff to you guys. Um, I [80:45] initially made a short video and I [80:47] wasn't going to make a big thing about [80:48] this. I wasn't going to spend a lot of [80:49] time on it. Um, it was when Allan kept [80:51] publicly calling me out um that uh that [80:54] I I just went from posting a couple [80:56] things on Twitter that took like 10 [80:58] seconds or making a one minute a one [81:00] 5minute video that I did while I was [81:02] working on other stuff to saying um this [81:05] is getting darker and weirder, right? Um [81:08] he he was even suggesting that that this [81:12] by implication that the work that I've [81:13] done on coverup culture should be [81:15] brought into question because of the way [81:16] I was challenging him uh baselessly as [81:19] if as if he's just pure white as white [81:21] as snow. And the reality is that none of [81:23] that's true. So unreliable guys, I'm [81:27] sorry to say. Um my name's Mike Winger. [81:30] I usually try to help you learn to think [81:31] biblically about everything. In this [81:33] case, [81:35] it's an embarrassment to the church that [81:37] the church isn't the one calling these [81:38] guys out and that there's seemingly no [81:42] accountability within their own churches [81:43] for the stuff they do. [81:46] So, I hand it over to you guys. Say [81:48] hopefully you guys will address this [81:50] stuff properly. I think I've laid the [81:51] trail of evidence. I think I've given an [81:53] analysis that's accurate. So, to [81:55] summarize the reasons why this video is [81:56] going out is one, this was a very public [82:00] issue that should be cleaned up. And if [82:02] not cleaned up, it should at least be [82:03] cleared up. And that part I can do. I [82:05] can try to help bring some clarity to [82:06] what really happened here. Uh number [82:08] two, um there's embarrassment to the [82:10] body of Christ. I didn't even show you [82:11] the clips of Joe Rogan laughing at these [82:15] guys, laughing specifically at Alan Dio [82:17] because it was transparently [82:18] exaggeration. He knows he's in media. He [82:20] understands these things. [82:22] >> Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent [82:23] you, Jamie, [82:24] >> that's bonkers. [82:26] >> I don't buy that. I don't. [82:28] >> So, this is a guy. It says his name is [82:30] uh Allan Daido. After sitting in a [82:33] private meeting with pastors and those [82:35] connected to these investigations, the [82:36] message was clear. UFO and UAP [82:39] disclosure is coming. Pastors must [82:41] prepare their people now. Silence is not [82:43] an option. Well, what does that mean? [82:46] Why would they bring [82:47] >> pastors? I've never heard of, you know, [82:50] I do. If he'd have brought anybody in, [82:51] he brought Franklin Graham in. [82:53] >> Is this gentleman a pastor himself? [82:55] click on his uh [82:56] >> yeah he run well I mean he also has a [82:57] show which is uh [82:59] >> of course he does [83:00] >> of course he does [83:02] >> can you click on his bio please like [83:04] what it clicks what it says equipping [83:08] end time believers for the next great [83:10] awakening oh boy [83:13] >> I would warn people [83:14] >> it's an embarrassment to the church not [83:16] only that but the nature of the [83:18] conspiratorial stuff some of the claims [83:19] that these guys are making which I [83:21] haven't showed you all of the claims [83:22] about scripture about how to translate [83:24] terms terms. Um, we were told in in the [83:27] New Testament to beware of deceiving [83:29] spirits. And uh, Alan Dio says a legit [83:32] translation of that is is like flying [83:33] aliens. Ah, I kid you not. So, these [83:37] things are not true. What we're doing is [83:39] we are taking a pet a pet project of [83:42] research and you're trying to wrap [83:43] Christian theology around it in a way [83:44] that is not appropriate. [83:47] We should have thoughtful conversations [83:49] about these things, but not um, not [83:52] that. The other issue here is that it [83:55] connects to cover-up culture in the [83:57] charismatic. It's not only in the [83:58] charismatic church, but it's definitely [84:00] present there. And that is the lack of [84:01] any kind of true legitimate [84:03] accountability for leadership. They can [84:04] spin narratives forever and never get in [84:06] trouble for anything. Which means that [84:08] if they have grievous serious sins, [84:10] people that they've wounded, people that [84:11] they've hurt, those people are vilified, [84:14] and the leader just keeps on trucking [84:16] like nothing ever happens. the casual [84:19] deception or misleading behavior from [84:21] Christian influencers is unacceptable. [84:23] And that's another reason why this video [84:25] is to be made. I um I hope that it help [84:28] that it helps and I hope that uh other [84:30] people out there realize that the [84:31] majority of Christians actually cringe [84:33] at this stuff, too. If you want to have [84:35] thoughtful conversations about UFOs, [84:37] UAPs, and government disclosures, go [84:38] ahead. You're not a fool for digging [84:41] into it and thinking about it and going, [84:42] "What's that?" Just do it with your [84:46] brain and your Bible and not just one [84:49] and not the other. That you cannot trust [84:52] anything online. You cannot believe. And [84:54] it is a total fabrication. The way [84:56] narratives are shaped online. I've [84:58] watched this in real time over the last [85:00] 24 hours. It has been startling to me. [85:03] But we weren't we were lying about that. [85:05] But now we're telling you the truth, [85:07] right? By the way, alien entities hate [85:11] the King James Bible.  📄 **Full text:** ![[Full Document Contents/Articles/How a Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception.md|How a Few Charismatic Pastors Went Viral With Deception by YouTube]] ## Highlights - Another headline. This is uh space and technology pastor pastors claim Donald Trump's rumored alien files could challenge Christian beliefs urging Christian churches to prepare. That is what they claim. That's not even sensationalized. That just is what they claim and you'll see more of that. And you've got this uh from kosher and this was re reposted and affirmed by one of the guys who was at the meeting. this exact uh tweet and it says here um pastors told to prepare per pastor Perry Stone a quote a large number unquote of ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhenmv50h21vk3eanj2qr)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - these briefings. Uh Pastor Dio, we appreciate you being here. Can you tell us what you learned at this briefing? Yeah, and I know it would be unusual to think that social media may spin things a little bit out of control, but there weren't any intelligence officials that were there. >> Okay. One of the pastors present said, this is a quote, that pastors were told about the existence of reptilian creatures, UFOs, and materials from a nonhuman origin that almost sound like something out of a sci-fi movie. Uh, did that happen? >> I think the pastor you're referring to ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhenszsxp24r6bqyw647m)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - was secondhand information. I don't believe he was actually in the room. >> Okay. So, Pastor Perry Stone claims pastors are being warned to prepare their congregation for UFO and alien information being released. Now, here's some quotes. Let's look at the details. They matter. There were a large number of pastors that had been invited to go to a certain state to hear some men in the United States government to hear concerns they had. So, these are men who are in the government. Obviously, this makes it a super interesting meeting. Turns out that wasn't true. There's going to be a release concerning aliens and unidentified flying object ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhep04rk1xa4fadkqy7rf)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - that we discussed in that meeting here in this broadcast, but ultimately the purpose of it was disclosure is coming quickly and here's what the deception is going to look like. Here's the narrative. Here's what the propaganda is going to look like. And these people who are working in in government agencies are pleading with pastors. They're pleading, please prepare your people so that they are not deceived by what is coming. Please teach your people. And I think they're accustomed to talking to ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhep52nqa2db0eth42bmb)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - actually they believe the government's the bad guy here, and they're investigating the government. Now, you'll find they don't work for the government. They're not in the government. They're freelancers who are investigating the government. But you can see where the messages are confusing due to the behavior of these pastors. There's one more post where Alan Dio says straight up about Perry Stone, I was in the meeting. It's absolutely true. Right? where what individuals quote from the US government are telling them to prepare right that's true Allen says it that's what made it viral now in ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhepc25aeqbw6z887x6vt)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - this space's uh meeting on the on May 5th Allen explains in a bit more detail the purpose of the meeting which is not what people would have thought they thought oh it's the government trying to disclose to pastors what's going on uh no that wasn't really the purpose of the meeting the the the government connection of these individuals was exaggerated by ultimately by Perry Stone and then affirmed by these guys wrongfully and then it leaned into even harder, really hard by Raglin. Uh but none of that was accurate. Now, here's another one from Alan Dio, a post of his ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhepg40sq7e0c22sq8zr2)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - is coming and many will be unprepared for what follows. Pastors must begin to prepare their people." Now, if you look at this carefully, you go, "Well, technically, he didn't say the government was doing the meeting there, but in the context of having affirmed Perry Stone statements and Larry Raglin coming out, uh, yeah, that makes everybody think that you think the government was part of it." Now later he'll blame the internet for thinking that as if they made it up themselves. So sometimes he's a little bit more balanced, but here on his May 5th spaces meeting he says variety of things, ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhepnp1kemzk5n6s2vhad)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - they're warned about coming UFO disclosure that Perry Stone recently this video circling with him Larry Ragland a video circling with him who's a dear friend of mine is absolutely true because I was there in the meeting. What? Well, of course, people are thinking not just was there a meeting. That's not the division the uh point of discussion. The point of discussion is the nature of the meeting, right? Is it a like government's disclosing things to you? Government is calling in pastors cuz they're so worried about the ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhept2m9cy3venmw5cws8)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - trick. But here's the thing. I want to talk about aliens and pastors. Um recently there's some stuff going viral um about a few pastors like um Perry Stone and Alan Deio and Mike Signarelli talking about uh being at a meeting. And I just want to ask for some clarity here. The Let me just say this. This all stinks guys. This stinks. I'm not saying no meeting happened, but the way that they're talking about it, you would think that this is an official government meeting where the government brought in these guys in order to give ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxhepyz63v6p97fx2haepx)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - idea that it was government in government themselves was calling these pastors together and that's because of the way these men talked about it. But their actual thing, their real thing is the government is the source of the deception. That was their thing. Uh this is the um original thumbnail for his video. That was the title of the video. This is the thumbnail of the video. Beware of deceptive government reports about to be released. Perry Stone. So yes, very much that's the nature of what was going on here. Uh this is why Perry ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01krnxheq4nt72v508qdfb1gfs)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted