The Hidden History Behind Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard ![rw-book-cover](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CrRdnb3_uqw/maxresdefault.jpg) ๐Ÿ”— **Source:** [The Hidden History Behind Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [religious-movements, transparency-ethics, leadership-accountability, historical-revisionism, cover-up-culture] > author: [MISSING] > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw > date created: {{date:YYYY-MM-DD}} {{time:HH:mm}} > > # ๐Ÿท๏ธ Title: The Hidden History Behind Calvary Chapel And The Vineyard > <!-- deep-read:sections start --> ## ๐Ÿงญ Table of Contents - [๐Ÿ“ Summary](#-summary) - [๐Ÿ“– Main Content](#-main-content) - [๐Ÿ—’๏ธ Notes](#๏ธ-notes) - [๐Ÿ“š References](#-references) - [๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ Paraphrase](#๏ธ-paraphrase) - [๐Ÿ“ฐ Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [โœ… Action Items](#-action-items) - [๐Ÿงช Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [๐Ÿ“Š Methodology](#-methodology) - [โ“ Questions](#-questions) - [๐Ÿ”ฎ Future Research](#-future-research) - [๐Ÿ’ก Implications](#-implications) - [๐Ÿง  Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [๐Ÿ“Š Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [๐ŸŒ DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [โœ… Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [๐ŸŽฏ Conclusion](#-conclusion) ## ๐Ÿ“ Summary - A researcher is uncovering hidden connections between influential religious movements (Calvary Chapel and Vineyard) and controversial figures like Paul Cain and Lonnie Frisbee. - The investigation reveals potential cover-up culture within these movements, particularly around homosexuality and leadership accountability. - Key stakeholders include Chuck Smith Sr., Chuck Smith Jr., John Wimber, Lonnie Frisbee, and Paul Cain. - Risks involve damaging existing ministries while potentially exposing systemic problems that could repeat without transparency. - Bottom line: Lack of transparency in religious leadership creates conditions where historical revisionism enables harmful patterns to continue. ## ๐Ÿ“– Main Content The content examines interconnected relationships within influential Christian movements, specifically Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard. The researcher presents evidence of connections between these movements and controversial figures, while acknowledging the incomplete nature of available information. ### Key Historical Connections Paul Cain claims direct working relationships with Chuck Smith Sr., describing Smith as "more Pentecostal than I ever was" and detailing their collaboration in Phoenix ministry events. While the researcher notes questions about Cain's reliability, some details are verifiable through newspaper records. ### The Lonnie Frisbee Situation Lonnie Frisbee, a significant figure in the Jesus Movement, was reportedly involved in a 6-month homosexual relationship with another leader. Different accounts exist regarding who knew what and when: - Traditional biographies suggest John Wimber discovered the relationship and immediately ended it - Chuck Smith Jr.'s account suggests Chuck Smith Sr. discovered the situation, confronted Wimber who admitted prior knowledge, and only then was action taken ### Cover-up Culture Concerns The researcher argues that transparency gaps force later investigators to "rebuild biographies" because leaders attempt to conceal problematic aspects of their history. This creates conditions where "history continues to repeat itself." ### Chuck Smith Jr.'s 2010 Statement A particular focus involves Chuck Smith Jr.'s 2010 reference to two women ministers as "partners" rather than using traditional ministerial titles. This language choice prompted deeper research into family connections, specifically regarding his aunt and her ministry partner. ### Research Methodology and Limitations The investigator acknowledges working with multiple researchers, some of whom had negative experiences in these movements. They emphasize taking certain claims "with a grain of salt" while maintaining commitment to transparency about survivor experiences. ## ๐Ÿ—’๏ธ Notes #### โฑ๏ธ [00:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw?t=0) Paul Cain describes Chuck Smith connection - Claims Chuck Smith said "if you don't use your gifts for the church more the Lord's going to take them away" - Describes Smith as "more Pentecostal than I ever was" - Details working relationship including worship leadership and campaign management #### โฑ๏ธ [00:01:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw?t=90) Research methodology disclaimer - Multiple researchers sharing facts, some with negative movement experiences - Researcher takes some claims "with a grain of salt" - Emphasis on transparency over cover-up culture #### โฑ๏ธ [00:03:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw?t=225) Lonnie Frisbee situation analysis - 6-month homosexual relationship with another leader - Discrepancies between official biographies and Chuck Smith Jr.'s account - Questions about who knew what and when action was taken #### โฑ๏ธ [00:06:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw?t=380) Chuck Smith Jr. 2010 statement - Used word "partner" to describe two women ministers - Researcher notes unusual language choice for 2010 context - Led to deeper investigation into family connections #### โฑ๏ธ [00:08:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRdnb3_uqw?t=525) Transparency vs. cover-up culture - Argues transparency prevents need to "rebuild biographies" - Critical facts must be published to prevent historical repetition - Cover-up culture impacts lives when devastating information is concealed ## ๐Ÿ“š References - Paul Cain audio recording (source material) - Newspaper verification of Paul Cain/Chuck Smith connections - John Wimber biographies - Chuck Smith Jr. 2010 public statement ## ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ Paraphrase A researcher investigating Calvary Chapel and Vineyard movement history has uncovered interconnected relationships between influential leaders and controversial figures. Through audio recordings, newspaper archives, and witness testimony, patterns of potential cover-up culture emerge around issues of sexual misconduct and leadership accountability. While acknowledging incomplete information and varying reliability of sources, the investigator argues that transparency gaps in religious leadership create conditions where harmful patterns can repeat across generations. The research reveals discrepancies between official movement biographies and alternative accounts, particularly regarding the handling of Lonnie Frisbee's homosexual relationship and its aftermath. ## ๐Ÿ“ฐ Newsletter ๐Ÿ” **Deep Dive: When Religious Movements Meet Historical Accountability** Ever wondered what happens when influential Christian movements face uncomfortable historical questions? A fascinating investigation into Calvary Chapel and Vineyard history reveals the tension between protecting institutional legacy and maintaining transparency. The research highlights a critical principle for any organization: cover-up culture doesn't just hide problemsโ€”it creates conditions for them to repeat. Whether you're managing a ministry, tech team, or community project, the lesson is clear: transparency today prevents having to "rebuild biographies" tomorrow. Key takeaway for leaders: When stakeholders have to piece together your organization's real history from fragments and whispers, you've already lost the trust that transparency could have preserved. *What patterns in your organization's history deserve honest examination?* ## โœ… Action Items #### Community - **Transparency protocols**: Establish clear guidelines for historical documentation and disclosure of leadership issues - **Survivor support**: Create safe channels for reporting and addressing past organizational harm - **Accountability structures**: Implement checks on leadership power that prevent cover-up cultures from developing #### WordPress - **Documentation ethics**: Ensure project history captures both successes and failures for learning - **Community safety**: Develop clear processes for addressing misconduct that prioritize transparency and healing ## ๐Ÿงช Hypotheses - Religious movements with less transparent leadership structures are more prone to cover-up cultures - Historical revisionism in institutional biographies correlates with repeated ethical failures - Survivor testimony provides crucial data points often missing from official organizational histories - Language choices (like "partner" vs. "co-pastor") can reveal institutional attitudes toward sensitive topics - Cover-up culture creates conditions where harmful leadership patterns persist across generations ### ๐Ÿ“Š Methodology - **Comparative biography analysis**: Compare official movement histories with alternative accounts and survivor testimony - **Document verification**: Cross-reference claims with newspaper archives and contemporary records - **Linguistic analysis**: Examine word choices in public statements for potential coded meanings - **Network mapping**: Trace connections between controversial figures and mainstream movement leaders - **Timeline reconstruction**: Build chronologies from multiple sources to identify discrepancies ### โ“ Questions - How do institutional loyalties affect historical accuracy in religious movements? - What mechanisms prevent cover-up culture from developing in spiritual communities? - How should organizations balance protecting individuals' privacy with transparency about systemic issues? - When do language choices become evidence of deeper institutional attitudes? ### ๐Ÿ”ฎ Future Research - Systematic analysis of biographical discrepancies across multiple religious movements - Development of transparency frameworks for spiritual organizations - Investigation of how cover-up culture affects community healing and growth - Examination of survivor testimony as historical evidence in religious contexts ### ๐Ÿ’ก Implications - **Organizational governance**: Religious movements need stronger accountability structures - **Historical scholarship**: Official biographies require critical examination against alternative sources - **Community healing**: Transparency may be essential for addressing institutional harm - **Leadership development**: Training should address transparency and accountability early ## ๐Ÿง  Learning Styles Assessment **Reading level estimate**: 12th grade (Flesch-Kincaid) - Complex sentences and specialized religious terminology #### ๐Ÿ‘€ Visual learners - **Present**: Timeline references, organizational connections - **Improve**: Network diagram showing relationships between figures, timeline visualization of events, comparison charts of conflicting accounts #### ๐Ÿ”Š Aural learners - **Present**: Audio recording excerpts, podcast format - **Improve**: Full audio summary, interview format with multiple perspectives #### ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ Verbal learners - **Present**: Clear definitions of movements and figures, analogies to cover-up culture - **Improve**: Glossary of religious terms, plain-language explanations of complex relationships #### ๐Ÿงฉ Kinesthetic learners - **Present**: Step-by-step research process description - **Improve**: Interactive timeline, checklist for evaluating organizational transparency #### ๐Ÿง  Logical learners - **Present**: Evidence evaluation, methodological disclaimers, logical connections between claims - **Improve**: Decision trees for assessing source reliability, formal logic frameworks for historical analysis #### ๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿคโ€๐Ÿง‘ Social learners - **Present**: Discussion of community impact, survivor experiences - **Improve**: Discussion prompts about organizational accountability, group exercises in transparency assessment #### ๐Ÿง˜โ€โ™€๏ธ Solitary learners - **Present**: Individual research process, critical thinking about evidence - **Improve**: Self-reflection questions about personal organizational experiences, journaling prompts about transparency #### ๐ŸŒฟ Naturalistic learners - **Present**: Pattern recognition in organizational behavior - **Improve**: Ecosystem metaphors for healthy vs. toxic organizational cultures ## ๐Ÿ“Š Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - **Present**: Clear heading structure, descriptive content - **Improve**: Alt text for any visual elements, better landmark navigation #### Keyboard navigation - **Present**: Standard text navigation - **Improve**: Skip links for long content sections, clear focus indicators #### Contrast and readability - **Present**: Standard text formatting - **Improve**: Ensure sufficient contrast ratios, consider font size recommendations #### Text resizing and reflow - **Present**: Responsive text content - **Improve**: Test at 200% zoom, ensure no content clipping #### Media and captions - **Present**: Transcript provided for audio content - **Improve**: Time-stamped captions, audio descriptions for any visual elements ## ๐ŸŒ DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - **Present**: Focus on American Christian movements - **Improve**: Acknowledge cultural specificity, compare with accountability practices in other religious traditions #### Inclusive language - **Present**: Respectful treatment of LGBTQ+ issues, careful language around sexuality - **Improve**: Define religious terminology, avoid assumptions about reader's faith background #### Neurodiversity support - **Present**: Clear structure, logical flow - **Improve**: Content warnings for sensitive topics, consistent formatting patterns #### Representation - **Present**: Includes diverse perspectives from survivors and critics - **Improve**: Acknowledge gender dynamics in religious leadership, consider intersectional impacts #### Psychological safety - **Present**: Respectful treatment of survivor experiences - **Improve**: Clear content warnings, resources for those affected by religious trauma ## โœ… Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - **Evidence triangulation**: Effectively combines audio recordings, newspaper verification, and witness testimony to build stronger claims than any single source - **Methodological transparency**: Clearly states limitations and potential biases in sources, which strengthens overall credibility - **Causal reasoning**: Draws logical connections between cover-up culture and repeated institutional problems #### Fallacies - **Possible guilt by association**: Connecting Paul Cain's controversial reputation to Chuck Smith without sufficient evidence of wrongdoing by Smith - **Appeal to motive**: Suggesting cover-up without direct evidence, based partly on language choices that could have innocent explanations - **False dichotomy**: Presenting research outcomes as either "paints everything in a different light" or "means nothing" when intermediate interpretations exist #### Tone of voice - **Cautiously investigative**: "I take with a grain of salt," "I can't prove it either way" - **Transparently uncertain**: Acknowledges gaps while pursuing truth - **Respectfully persistent**: Maintains dignity for all parties while seeking accountability ## ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ DARVO Analysis - **Deny**: No clear denial patterns detected in the content - **Attack**: No attacks on accusers present; researcher explicitly validates survivor experiences - **Reverse victim/offender**: Not applicable - content focuses on institutional accountability rather than individual accusations The content demonstrates anti-DARVO practices by prioritizing transparency and survivor experiences. ## ๐ŸŽฏ Conclusion This investigation reveals the critical importance of transparency in religious leadership and the dangers of cover-up culture. While the evidence remains incomplete, the patterns suggest that institutional secrecy creates conditions for harmful behaviors to persist across generations of leadership. **Practical next steps for readers**: - Evaluate transparency practices in your own religious or organizational communities - Support survivors who share difficult truths about institutional harm - Advocate for accountability structures that prevent cover-up culture from developing - Recognize that protecting institutional reputation at the expense of truth ultimately damages the institution's integrity The research demonstrates that historical honesty, however uncomfortable, serves the long-term health of communities better than protective silence. --- ## Full Transcript [00:00] Chuck Smith.<br>[00:01] >> Really? Used to um<br>[00:04] say Paul, if you don't use your gifts<br>[00:07] for the church more the<br>[00:09] Lord's going to take them away from you.<br>[00:10] He's going to punish you.<br>[00:12] And he was more Pentecostal than I ever<br>[00:15] was, you know.<br>[00:16] >> Chuck Smith?<br>[00:17] >> Yeah, he was Well, he was uh<br>[00:19] supply pastor for the first uh<br>[00:22] Foursquare Church in Phoenix and uh<br>[00:24] so they were one of the sponsors of my<br>[00:27] meeting at Madison Square Garden, so<br>[00:29] which was a<br>[00:30] uh not the you know, the main thing in<br>[00:32] the in New York, but this is what they<br>[00:34] called it in<br>[00:36] uh<br>[00:37] uh<br>[00:39] Phoenix. There was a wrestling arena and<br>[00:41] all that, a sports arena.<br>[00:42] >> Okay.<br>[00:43] >> And so um we were filling that twice a<br>[00:46] day<br>[00:47] and he was my um<br>[00:49] worship leader.<br>[00:51] And then he became my uh<br>[00:53] uh campaign manager.<br>[00:55] >> As I mentioned before, I would be<br>[00:56] sharing some of the research, not all,<br>[00:58] but some that I have into Chuck Smith,<br>[01:01] Calvary Chapel, John Wimber, and the<br>[01:04] Vineyard movement.<br>[01:05] Again, not to be critical of those<br>[01:07] movements as they exist today, but this<br>[01:09] intersection is very, very important and<br>[01:12] very critical.<br>[01:13] I I can't yet share all of the facts,<br>[01:16] but I will say this, I have multiple<br>[01:18] researchers who are working with me that<br>[01:21] are sharing<br>[01:22] all sorts of facts about these people<br>[01:25] and these movements. Some of the people<br>[01:27] sharing the facts with me were<br>[01:31] had a a very, very negative experience<br>[01:33] in the movement. Not that the movement<br>[01:36] is the cause of it, it may or may not<br>[01:38] be, I don't know, but these people,<br>[01:40] they're broken like I am. They came from<br>[01:42] a situation that should have never<br>[01:44] existed and it all goes back to this<br>[01:46] Moses model that's being created. This<br>[01:49] is a model that was carried forward and<br>[01:52] [clears throat] it may not fully exist<br>[01:53] today, but there was a point in time in<br>[01:55] which it did.<br>[01:56] And we'll get into that in just a little<br>[01:58] bit, but I want to preface with this.<br>[02:01] I have a lot of people sharing a lot of<br>[02:03] facts. Some of those people are very<br>[02:05] upset at what happened to them.<br>[02:08] And I will not<br>[02:10] I will not decrease or lessen their<br>[02:12] experience. Their experience is their<br>[02:14] experience.<br>[02:16] I won't try to cover up what they went<br>[02:19] through or the facts that they're<br>[02:20] sharing with me. But at the same time, I<br>[02:22] do want to qualify it.<br>[02:24] Some of the facts that are shared with<br>[02:26] me<br>[02:27] I take with a grain of salt. The fact<br>[02:30] may look a certain way, but until we get<br>[02:32] all of the facts, it it's not really<br>[02:35] something that you can say definite. You<br>[02:37] can just say, "Well, here are the facts<br>[02:39] and it looks very bad."<br>[02:41] And I do have a lot of questions about<br>[02:43] some of those facts, which I'll get into<br>[02:44] that in just a minute. But the point I'm<br>[02:47] trying to make is this.<br>[02:49] If you have transparency,<br>[02:51] you don't have to try to rebuild<br>[02:53] biographies. And that's really what my<br>[02:56] website, my podcast is having to do.<br>[02:58] We're having to go back and rebuild the<br>[03:00] correct version of all these biographies<br>[03:03] because of the cover-up culture that<br>[03:04] exists. Many, many leaders, they try to<br>[03:07] cover up their past. And I I understand<br>[03:10] talking about the good things. That That<br>[03:12] makes sense.<br>[03:13] But when it's something that is so<br>[03:15] devastating that it impacts lives, there<br>[03:18] comes a point whenever later<br>[03:20] biographers, they really need to publish<br>[03:22] the critical facts because if you don't<br>[03:25] do this, history continues to repeat<br>[03:27] itself.<br>[03:29] So, I'm going to get into some of that<br>[03:30] research, but the thing that I'll<br>[03:32] mention here, we just listened to a<br>[03:35] recording by Paul Cain.<br>[03:37] Paul Cain is describing how connected<br>[03:39] these movements are.<br>[03:41] And whether it's true or not, I have<br>[03:43] seen that there are arguments as to<br>[03:45] whether Paul Cain was lying through his<br>[03:47] teeth or not. I'm not to say, but what I<br>[03:49] can say is some of the details that he<br>[03:52] has just mentioned about him working<br>[03:54] with Chuck Smith, some of those details<br>[03:57] are verified even by the newspapers.<br>[03:59] So, I'm not going to say that he's fully<br>[04:01] correct and Chuck Smith was that deeply<br>[04:04] connected to him as he says, but he did<br>[04:07] say it and that is a fact. So, I can<br>[04:10] take that fact and now I can combine it<br>[04:12] with other facts and paint a bigger<br>[04:13] picture.<br>[04:15] So, let's think through that a bit. Say<br>[04:17] that Paul Cain is correct and at<br>[04:19] minimum, we know that he is so connected<br>[04:22] with Chuck Smith that they've had a<br>[04:23] private encounter.<br>[04:26] Now, enter Lonnie Frisbee into the<br>[04:28] equation. Lonnie Frisbee was part of<br>[04:31] what I mentioned before, this attempt to<br>[04:34] cover up homosexuality by some people. I<br>[04:38] I have no evidence yet that Chuck Smith<br>[04:40] was covering it up. I think<br>[04:42] if you read any historical account,<br>[04:44] Chuck Smith cut him off the moment he<br>[04:46] found out.<br>[04:48] We just don't know what happened leading<br>[04:50] up to that moment and that's for me,<br>[04:51] that's the question. That's a big<br>[04:53] question.<br>[04:55] What we do see is Chuck Smith Jr.<br>[04:58] There are reports out there, some of<br>[05:00] them in the news that talk about Chuck<br>[05:03] Smith found out that there was a 6-month<br>[05:05] relationship between<br>[05:08] two men, Lonnie Frisbee and another<br>[05:11] leader.<br>[05:12] And this had been going on for 6 months<br>[05:14] and he went to John Wimber<br>[05:17] and if you read the Wimber biographies,<br>[05:20] it says that Wimber found out and then<br>[05:23] cut him off.<br>[05:25] But if you read the report from the<br>[05:27] Chuck Smith Jr. angle, Chuck Smith found<br>[05:30] out that it had been going on for<br>[05:31] months, confronts John Wimber and then<br>[05:35] John Wimber mentioned that he knew about<br>[05:37] it and then later after that encounter,<br>[05:39] he cut it off. So, I can tell you that<br>[05:41] there's a lot of gray in that. It's not<br>[05:43] so black and white as the biographies<br>[05:45] make it out.<br>[05:47] But the fact that the cover-up culture<br>[05:49] exists become a problem.<br>[05:51] The reason why this is important as it<br>[05:54] relates to the grand scheme of all of<br>[05:56] the research,<br>[05:58] Chuck Smith Jr. went on to finally<br>[06:00] separate himself. And I know that<br>[06:03] depending on which side you took of that<br>[06:04] debate, which I don't have a dog in the<br>[06:06] fight,<br>[06:08] depending on which side you took, he's<br>[06:10] either a hero or he's<br>[06:12] a villain. One or the other because this<br>[06:14] was a This is a big deal.<br>[06:17] One of the things that he mentioned as<br>[06:20] part of the reason why the separation<br>[06:22] happened was homosexuality.<br>[06:25] So, that becomes a key milestone in<br>[06:27] history. That's a fact. Now, we need to<br>[06:29] look at the other facts that are<br>[06:30] supportive.<br>[06:32] I had [clears throat] one researcher who<br>[06:33] sent me a<br>[06:35] a lot of information. I've not even<br>[06:36] shared all of it yet. And in fact, I'm<br>[06:39] sharing some of it freshly in this<br>[06:40] podcast.<br>[06:42] >> [snorts]<br>[06:42] >> But, there was a statement made by Chuck<br>[06:44] Smith Jr.<br>[06:46] that led them down the path of<br>[06:48] researching and finding that there's a<br>[06:51] lot more curious history, I'll say it<br>[06:53] like that. Curious history that exists.<br>[06:57] And<br>[06:58] I'm sharing it because I'm sharing in<br>[07:00] transparency.<br>[07:02] I don't yet know what to make of it. And<br>[07:04] I would like for other people to weigh<br>[07:05] in.<br>[07:06] But, this research depending on which<br>[07:09] way it goes, it either paints everything<br>[07:13] in a different light. Or it's just a<br>[07:16] side fact and the research means<br>[07:18] nothing. It's one or the other.<br>[07:21] But, there was a statement made by Chuck<br>[07:22] Smith Jr. I think the year was 2010.<br>[07:26] And he uses the word partner when<br>[07:29] talking about two women.<br>[07:31] Now, when this was shared with me, I'm<br>[07:33] going to be fully transparent. I can't<br>[07:36] prove it either way. There's no way to<br>[07:38] prove homosexuality unless the person<br>[07:41] either admits it or gets caught in it.<br>[07:43] But I will say that in 2010,<br>[07:46] if you were talking about two ministers,<br>[07:49] both of the same sex,<br>[07:52] and you use the word partner, it raises<br>[07:54] a question that really can't be answered<br>[07:57] unless you just openly ask, "What What<br>[07:59] did you mean by this?"<br>[08:01] Now, I'm not going to ask. I'm not going<br>[08:03] I'm just going to let that go, but<br>[08:05] there's a fact that I think paints a<br>[08:07] bigger picture of<br>[08:09] something that is unusual happening. And<br>[08:12] I'm I'm going to share that research.<br>[08:14] I'm not trying to make one way or the<br>[08:16] other what this research means, but this<br>[08:19] is an example of one area of research<br>[08:21] that our researchers are going down.<br>[08:24] So, Chuck Smith Jr., he mentions that<br>[08:26] there are these two partners. And again,<br>[08:29] you probably would use pastor and<br>[08:31] co-pastor in that situation.<br>[08:33] I can't think of an example where if it<br>[08:35] was two men,<br>[08:37] I would not say that these two men who<br>[08:39] are living together in the same house,<br>[08:41] under the same roof, behind the same<br>[08:43] closed doors,<br>[08:45] they're partners. I would never say<br>[08:47] this. I would say it was a pastor and a<br>[08:48] co-pastor.<br>[08:50] But he did use the word partner. And<br>[08:51] then what he says next<br>[08:54] is really what caused this researcher, I<br>[08:56] think, to go down the the depth of<br>[08:58] research that they did.<br>[09:00] >> Of course, Mom had many bright memories.<br>[09:03] God did plant good in her life. Uh the<br>[09:06] brightest for her was knowing Jesus from<br>[09:09] a young age.<br>[09:11] Her love for Jesus was fed to her by her<br>[09:13] older sister, uh Cheryl said, our Aunt<br>[09:16] Easy, who my dad described as a magical<br>[09:19] woman. Imagine my dad using a term like<br>[09:22] magical.<br>[09:24] But he said Easy was a magical woman<br>[09:26] because when she came, everything<br>[09:29] brightened up. She really was a<br>[09:31] source of hope for Mom. And Mom loved<br>[09:36] every visit and every conversation had<br>[09:38] with her sister, my aunt Essie, by the<br>[09:41] way, some Calvary Chapel pastors may not<br>[09:44] like this, she was the senior pastor of<br>[09:46] the first horse vet church in Phoenix,<br>[09:49] Arizona.<br>[09:51] And my dad adored her and felt that her<br>[09:54] partner, Mary Jane May, was a very<br>[09:57] gifted preacher and he enjoyed listening<br>[09:59] to her preach.<br>[10:03] Dirty little secrets of Calvary Chapel.<br>[10:05] Okay, so<br>[10:07] >> So this particular researcher, whenever<br>[10:09] this was the statement was made and they<br>[10:11] heard this, they went down this long<br>[10:13] path of research because<br>[10:15] I'm going to say this very plainly for<br>[10:17] people who may be part of the movement<br>[10:21] and may see any research as negative.<br>[10:25] Whenever you're in a culture that<br>[10:26] potentially even has the hint of<br>[10:29] cover-up culture or even just a simple<br>[10:32] lack of transparency,<br>[10:34] when you hear a statement like that, if<br>[10:35] you have a critical mind like I do,<br>[10:38] you're going to go down the path of<br>[10:39] trying to figure out well what's what's<br>[10:41] going on behind this? That why would<br>[10:43] that statement be made? Well, that's<br>[10:45] exactly what this researcher did.<br>[10:47] And what they found out, it raises a lot<br>[10:50] of questions. I can't say that it gives<br>[10:52] any answers, but it raises some<br>[10:54] significant questions. <!-- deep-read:sections end --> ๐Ÿ“„ **Full text:** ![[Full Document Contents/Articles/The Hidden History Behind Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard.md|The Hidden History Behind Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard by YouTube]] ## Highlights - that Paul Cain is correct and at minimum, we know that he is so connected with Chuck Smith that they've had a ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01ktwhdw9j821f43f4f7ys238k)) - Note: Key figures linking Calvary Chapel โ†” Vineyard: Chuck Smith Sr./Jr., John Wimber, Lonnie Frisbee, Paul Cain - Tags: atom/literature/h1, church-history