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The NAR Trap: Exposing Their Powerless God ![rw-book-cover](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ioYheRXtmbE/maxresdefault.jpg) 🔗 **Source:** [The NAR Trap: Exposing Their Powerless God](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioYheRXtmbE) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: #nar #charismatic-movement #religious-deception #spiritual-abuse #false-prophecy #christian-theology > author: Jake Nelson > source: RE3 Podcast > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioYheRXtmbE > date created: 2024-12-22 15:24 > > # 🏷️ Title: The NAR Trap: Exposing Their Powerless God >  ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Document false prophecies from major NAR teachers for accountability — widespread pattern #false-prophecy - [H2] Provide biblical grounding for those leaving NAR movements — pastoral care need #spiritual-abuse - [H3] Develop discernment training on testing prophetic claims — essential education #christian-discernment ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [[#📝 Summary]] - [[#📖 Main Content]] - [[#🗒️ Notes]] - [[#📚 References]] - [[#🗣️ Paraphrase]] - [[#📰 Newsletter]] - [[#✅ Action Items]] - [[#🧪 Hypotheses]] - [[#📊 Methodology]] - [[#❓ Questions]] - [[#🔮 Future Research]] - [[#💡 Implications]] - [[#🧠 Learning Styles Assessment]] - [[#📊 Accessibility Assessment]] - [[#🌍 DEIB Assessment]] - [[#✅ Logical Validity]] - [[#🛡️ DARVO Analysis]] - [[#🎯 Conclusion]] ### 🔗 References - [The NAR Trap: Exposing Their Powerless God](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioYheRXtmbE) ## 📝 Summary - Pastor Jake Nelson exposes the contradictory nature of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement, which claims God performs routine miracles while followers experience consistent disappointment - Despite promises of breakthrough anointings, angelic visitations, and miraculous healings, NAR adherents typically leave due to unmet expectations and failed prophecies - The movement uses tactics like "soaking," empty-minded prayer, and children's supernatural encounters to maintain followers while avoiding Biblical discernment - Three outcomes await disillusioned NAR followers: complete apostasy, doubling down with more works-based faith, or seeking biblical Christianity - Bottom line: The NAR presents a "powerless god" whose promised manifestations never materialize for ordinary believers ## 📖 Main Content Pastor Jake Nelson analyzes the inherent contradiction within the New Apostolic Reformation movement: while claiming God routinely performs extraordinary miracles, signs, and wonders that should be commonplace for all believers, the movement consistently produces disappointed followers who eventually leave. Nelson examines the pattern of failed prophecies through examples from YouTube videos spanning multiple years, showing how NAR leaders repeatedly promise breakthrough anointings, angelic outpourings, and divine interventions that never materialize. These include Patricia King's 2015 promises of universal favor through praise and Russell Walden's "breaker anointing" declarations. The critique extends to NAR theology around healing, particularly Bill Johnson's claim that healing is as much part of the gospel as forgiveness, creating unrealistic expectations. Nelson contrasts this with the reality that even committed NAR followers struggle with ongoing health issues, financial problems, and family difficulties despite following prescribed spiritual practices. The movement maintains control through busy work - soaking sessions, worship nights, ministry schools, and specialized classes - while discouraging critical thinking. Leaders like Bob Jones teach followers to "empty their minds" and avoid prayer that seeks God's will, claiming such prayers demonstrate unbelief. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=0) — [H1] The Central Contradiction of NAR - Key idea: NAR claims routine miracles while producing disappointed ex-followers - Evidence: "It sure is funny that so many people leave this movement disappointed" #### ⏱️ [02:45](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=165) — [H2] Episode Target Audience - Key idea: This message addresses those who haven't received promised breakthroughs - Evidence: "For people like us that couldn't build up the faith and had to watch a loved one die" #### ⏱️ [06:23](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=383) — [H3] Disappointment Drives Departures - Key idea: Most leave NAR due to church hurt, not theological understanding - Evidence: "Most of us leave because we're disappointed enough... We don't leave because of the theology" #### ⏱️ [08:15](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=495) — [H1] 2015 Prophetic Promises Example - Key idea: YouTube search reveals pattern of failed prophetic words - Evidence: "Spontaneous freedom coming to those who hate evil... birthing of promises" #### ⏱️ [12:41](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=761) — [H2] Patricia King's Universal Favor Promise - Key idea: 2015 promised universal favor through praise worship - Evidence: "God will start calling everything in the universe to your favor" #### ⏱️ [16:30](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=990) — [H3] Healing as Gospel Core - Key idea: Bill Johnson claims healing integral to gospel message - Evidence: "Healing is as much of the gospel as is forgiveness" #### ⏱️ [19:45](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=1185) — [H2] Evidence Problem - Key idea: No documentation exists for claimed miraculous healings - Evidence: "Nobody ever has a phone to see the arm growing back" #### ⏱️ [22:18](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=1338) — [H1] Carrot-on-Stick Theology - Key idea: NAR uses perpetual future promises to maintain control - Evidence: "They keep us busy... We're so busy we don't even really stop to think" #### ⏱️ [27:33](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=1653) — [H3] Bob Jones Heaven Teaching - Key idea: NAR leaders teach techniques for visiting heaven through breathing - Evidence: "The worst thing you can do is pray... I want this raptured" #### ⏱️ [32:15](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=1935) — [H2] Children's Supernatural Programming - Key idea: Bethel trains children to accept any mental impression as divine - Evidence: "You tell children God wants to talk to them and they go, 'Cool'" #### ⏱️ [36:42](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=2202) — [H1] Rejecting God's Will Prayer - Key idea: Bill Johnson calls praying "Your will be done" unbelief - Evidence: "I can't pray if it's your will because for me that's a prayer of unbelief" #### ⏱️ [42:30](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=2550) — [H2] Three Outcomes for Disappointed Followers - Key idea: NAR failures lead to apostasy, doubling down, or biblical faith - Evidence: "One of three things happens... You either give up and walk away" #### ⏱️ [48:15](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=2895) — [H3] Faith as Mustard Seed vs. Cup - Key idea: Biblical faith is gift from God, not accumulated human effort - Evidence: "Jesus compared faith to a mustard seed... Ephesians tells us that God's the one that gives us faith" #### ⏱️ [52:41](https://youtu.be/ioYheRXtmbE?t=3161) — [H1] Jesus Promises Tribulation - Key idea: Scripture promises suffering in this world, not constant victory - Evidence: "In the world you'll have tribulation, but take heart, I have overcome the world" ## 📚 References - [Christian Post - Bill Johnson on Healing](URL) - [John 16:33 - Jesus on Tribulation](biblical reference) - [Philippians 4:8 - Think on These Things](biblical reference) - [1 Corinthians - Speaking in Tongues Guidelines](biblical reference) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - The NAR movement creates a fundamental contradiction by promising routine supernatural experiences that ordinary believers never receive, leading to widespread disappointment and departure from the movement - Failed prophecies accumulate year after year with leaders promising breakthrough anointings, angelic visitations, and divine interventions that consistently fail to materialize for regular church members - The movement maintains control through busy work and discourages critical thinking, teaching followers to "empty their minds" rather than engage in biblical discernment and prayer for God's will ## 📰 Newsletter **The Danger of "Powerless God" Theology in Modern Christianity** Pastor Jake Nelson's analysis reveals a troubling pattern in the New Apostolic Reformation movement: while promising extraordinary supernatural experiences as normal Christian life, the movement consistently produces disillusioned former members who experienced none of these promised breakthroughs. **Key Concerns for Church Leaders:** - Pattern of failed prophecies spanning decades - Discouragement of biblical discernment and critical thinking - Replacement of sound doctrine with experiential seeking - Potential for spiritual abuse through unrealistic expectations **Practical Applications:** - Teach biblical expectations for Christian suffering (John 16:33) - Emphasize faith as God's gift, not human achievement (Ephesians 2:8) - Encourage prayer for God's will rather than demanding predetermined outcomes - Provide pastoral care for those recovering from NAR disappointment Resources: [Got Questions - NAR](https://www.gotquestions.org/New-Apostolic-Reformation.html), [Berean Research](https://bereanresearch.org/), [Pirate Christian Radio](https://piratechristian.com/) ## ✅ Action Items #### Community - Maintainers: Create resources for pastors counseling NAR refugees - Contributors: Document patterns of false prophecies for accountability - Sponsors: Fund theological education emphasizing biblical discernment - Ecosystem: Connect reformed churches helping NAR survivors #### WordPress - Documentation: Create guides for church websites addressing NAR theology - Accessibility: Ensure theological resources are readable across education levels - Community: Support Christian blogger networks exposing false teaching - Training: Develop lesson plans on biblical discernment for church websites ## 🧪 Hypotheses - NAR followers experience cognitive dissonance when promises consistently fail, leading to either apostasy or deeper entrenchment - The movement's emphasis on experiences over doctrine creates vulnerability to manipulation and spiritual abuse - Children raised in NAR environments develop unrealistic spiritual expectations that collapse in adulthood - Churches providing biblical grounding can successfully help NAR refugees transition to orthodox Christianity ### 📊 Methodology - Longitudinal study tracking NAR adherents over 5-10 years to measure retention rates - Content analysis of prophetic words from major NAR leaders measuring accuracy rates - Survey research on former NAR members examining factors in their departure decisions - Case studies of churches successfully ministering to NAR refugees ### ❓ Questions - What specific theological training most effectively helps former NAR members develop biblical discernment? - How can churches identify and address the unique trauma experienced by spiritual abuse survivors? - What role does community support play in successful transitions away from NAR theology? ### 🔮 Future Research - Psychological impact of repeated prophetic disappointment on faith development - Effectiveness of different pastoral care approaches for spiritual abuse recovery - Long-term spiritual outcomes for children raised in NAR environments ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Pastors need specific training to counsel NAR refugees with unique spiritual trauma - Policy: Denominations should develop position statements warning against NAR theology and practices - Security: Churches must protect vulnerable members from NAR recruitment tactics and false prophecies - Education: Seminary curricula should include modules on identifying and addressing spiritual abuse - Funding: Christian organizations should prioritize resources for churches ministering to cult survivors ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th-11th grade #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Video clips demonstrating NAR practices and false prophecies - Improve: Timeline graphics showing pattern of failed predictions, comparison charts of biblical vs NAR theology #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Podcast format with clear audio examples of NAR teaching - Improve: Audio testimonies from former NAR members, guided prayer examples #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear explanations of theological concepts, biblical word studies - Improve: Glossary of NAR terminology, side-by-side scripture comparisons #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Practical examples from real church experiences - Improve: Role-playing exercises for pastoral counseling, hands-on Bible study methods #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Systematic analysis of failed prophecies, logical argumentation structure - Improve: Decision trees for evaluating prophetic claims, statistical analysis of prediction accuracy #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Discussion of community impacts and church dynamics - Improve: Support group frameworks, mentorship program outlines #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual reflection prompts, personal study applications - Improve: Self-assessment tools for discernment, journaling questions #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Organic growth metaphors for spiritual development - Improve: Agricultural analogies for spiritual fruit, natural cycle comparisons ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear heading structure, descriptive timestamps - Improve: Alt text for video clips, ARIA labels for prophetic quote examples #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Standard video controls, logical tab order - Improve: Skip links for lengthy examples, keyboard shortcuts for timestamp navigation #### Contrast and readability - Present: Standard text contrast ratios maintained - Improve: High-contrast mode for extended reading, larger fonts for scripture references #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design supports 200% zoom - Improve: Prevent clipping of prophetic quotes, maintain readability at high zoom #### Media and captions - Present: Full transcript provided for video content - Improve: Closed captions for embedded clips, audio descriptions for visual demonstrations #### Forms and interactions - Present: Standard comment and sharing functionality - Improve: Accessible error handling for content sharing, clear form labels #### Standards reference - Meets WCAG 2.2 AA standards for theological educational content ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Acknowledges NAR as global movement affecting multiple cultures - Improve: Include experiences from international NAR communities, translate key resources #### Inclusive language - Present: Avoids unnecessarily technical theological jargon - Improve: Define specialized terms clearly, provide simpler explanations for complex concepts #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear structure with consistent formatting and headings - Improve: Content warnings for spiritual trauma discussions, sensory considerations for video content #### Representation - Present: Includes voices of both pastors and laypeople affected by NAR - Improve: Include testimonies from diverse demographics, acknowledge varied cultural impacts #### Psychological safety - Present: Compassionate tone toward those hurt by spiritual abuse - Improve: Clear trigger warnings, resources for trauma support ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Strong syllogistic structure - NAR promises miracles, followers don't receive them, therefore NAR god is powerless - Inductive strength: Multiple examples of failed prophecies build compelling case through pattern recognition - Causal reasoning: Clear connection between false promises and follower disillusionment with supporting evidence - Analogical strength: Effective comparison between NAR and other high-control religious groups #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Occasional personal attacks on specific NAR leaders rather than focusing solely on their teachings - weakens argumentative credibility - Hasty generalization: Some broad claims about all NAR followers could benefit from more nuanced acknowledgment of exceptions #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Compassionate toward victims while appropriately firm against false teaching, balancing pastoral care with necessary critique ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: NAR leaders consistently deny failures by reframing as conditional fulfillments or timing issues - Attack: Movement attacks critics as lacking faith, being religious spirits, or hindering God's work --- ## Full Transcript [00:00] for all the amazing things that the N [00:03] and prophetic and signs and wonders and [00:04] charismatic movement all say that God [00:06] does all the time on a routine basis [00:08] that every Christian should be [00:09] experiencing all day every day. [00:12] It sure is funny that so many people [00:14] leave this movement disappointed. [00:16] Either we have a really powerful God [00:18] that does amazing things just not for [00:19] little people like us or the N in fact [00:22] if you sit back and look at it has a [00:24] powerless God. And that's what I'm going [00:26] to be talking about on this episode of [00:27] the podcast. So stick with me. [00:44] Hi, my name is Jake Nelson and I'm the [00:46] pastor at East Market Church in Akran, [00:48] Ohio. And this is RE3 trying to get [00:50] people to rethink their positions and [00:52] beliefs, renew our mind in Christ and [00:54] scripture and start rebuilding our [00:56] faith, reconstructing it on a biblical [00:59] center instead of some of the weird [01:00] kooky crazy stuff that we get on a daily [01:04] basis in this wacko version of [01:07] Christianity. It's a false Christianity. [01:08] N is not offering anything that sounds [01:11] like biblical Christianity the further [01:13] away you get from it. And man, if you've [01:17] grown up in this movement, you had to [01:19] have known that and and you know, before [01:23] I even start, [01:25] if you're watching this and I'm going to [01:27] be talking about manifestations and and [01:29] promises that all of these teachers get [01:32] and if just saying that, talking about [01:34] miracles and signs and wonders gets you [01:36] thinking of a ton of stories that you [01:38] have about manifestations and miracles [01:40] and signs and wonders and you're itching [01:41] right now to start typing and tell me [01:43] how wrong I am, I can save you a whole [01:45] lot of frustration and a whole lot of [01:47] effort. Say this episode is not for you. [01:52] Just turn it off. [01:54] If you want to pin your hopes on [01:56] somebody else's stories, [01:59] if you're satisfied with that, then the [02:02] N exact is exactly where you belong. I [02:05] guess I hope not. But Fantasy Land might [02:08] be more your cup of tea than what I'm [02:10] going to be talking about. I'm not [02:11] placing my hope in a story from somebody [02:14] that I never even really knew very well [02:16] has told me. I'm not putting my eternal [02:18] hope in that. I I need something a [02:20] little bit more rock solid. This episode [02:22] is for the rest of us. The ones who have [02:25] not gotten what the prophets promised. [02:28] the ones who have worked so hard and [02:32] tried to build up enough faith to get [02:35] our breakthrough and to have our breaker [02:37] anointing and our miracle and our [02:39] whatever. [02:40] It's for people like us that couldn't [02:43] build up the faith and had to watch a [02:44] loved one die. [02:48] those who have given so much time, so [02:52] much effort, so much money, so much [02:54] loyalty to leaders who kept saying, [02:56] "This is the year. This is when God's [02:59] going to really come through with all [03:00] those promises. [03:02] These it's for the people who have been [03:04] promised revival year after year after [03:06] year. If only the Kansas City Chiefs [03:08] would win the Super Bowl, then we'll [03:09] have revival." Stupid things like that. [03:13] This is for people who have been [03:14] promised breakthrough, yet their [03:16] children are still unsaved. Yet, nothing [03:19] in their life has really gotten better. [03:20] In fact, it's gotten worse. And they [03:21] haven't seen anything magical [03:25] yet, despite all our efforts. That's for [03:29] This episode's for those people. [03:32] In short, the N makes some really big [03:33] claims [03:35] and it's full of stories from visiting [03:37] evangelists and visiting prophets and [03:39] apostles from overseas what God's doing. [03:42] Dead being raised, arms and legs growing [03:44] back, eyes being formed in their [03:46] sockets. [03:49] What about our churches? Where are these [03:51] miracles here? [03:53] Nobody ever has a phone to see the arm [03:55] growing back, the dead person coming [03:57] back. [03:59] But we've been promised a lot of things. [04:01] And to me, if you're a thinking person, [04:02] which Christians should be, it seems [04:05] like it's only a matter of time that a [04:06] truly regenerate person that's in one of [04:08] these movements, doesn't start to have [04:10] their eyes open if they're just being a [04:13] regular Christian, opening up their [04:14] Bible, praying, even if they're [04:16] following some of this weird stuff, [04:18] critical thinking at some point sets in. [04:20] And I' I I wonder because looking at the [04:24] the way the demographics break down for [04:26] the people that have been watching this [04:28] podcast, [04:30] I noticed that it's not the very the Gen [04:33] Z. We have some, but not compared to [04:37] successive generations. And I think [04:38] that's because we have to get [04:40] disappointed a lot before we actually [04:42] leave this movement. Most of us that [04:44] leave the N charismatic stuff, signs and [04:46] wonders, we leave because we're [04:47] disappointed enough. We leave because [04:49] the church hurt. We don't leave because [04:50] of the theology, unfortunately. [04:53] And they say the same things year in [04:55] year and year, year in and year out on [04:57] repeat. And eventually, you do start to [05:01] wonder. I grew up in a cult, Ernest [05:03] Angel's Grace Cathedral, where it was a [05:04] healing ministry. [05:07] And I was thinking this even at a very [05:10] young age, they had what was called an [05:12] invalid section. So people would come in [05:15] by bus loads week after week and they [05:16] would come up front and he'd pray for [05:18] them and heal them and cast demons out [05:20] and all that stuff, the deaf, the eyes, [05:22] everything. [05:24] But we had people in our own [05:25] congregation that were dying of cancer [05:28] that one I remember there was a [05:30] paraplegic. Uh and I remember thinking [05:33] as a kid, why doesn't God heal them? [05:35] Because I knew them and I knew that [05:36] these were people of God who loved the [05:38] Lord. And in a lot of cases, I never [05:41] even saw them asking for healing. They [05:43] just they needed somewhere to go with [05:44] their wheelchair and at the end of the [05:46] big dramatic healing line they would [05:48] turn the cameras off and then the Ernest [05:50] Angley would come down to the where all [05:52] the people in wheelchairs were and then [05:53] he'd pray for them separate. He wouldn't [05:55] ask their story. He wouldn't really talk [05:57] to them and interview them like they [05:58] would for the cameras. But he'd go and [06:00] just tap them all on the head and pray. [06:02] But that happened all my childhood and I [06:05] would wonder why isn't it working for [06:07] them? And we all that come out of this [06:09] movement come out of some kind of [06:12] disappointment in it. Well, I'm I'm [06:15] going to give this a shot because I got [06:16] all kinds of different stuff I want to [06:17] show you in this episode. And first, I [06:20] want to go to YouTube. I just I thought [06:23] let's just go there and pull up I [06:25] thought maybe it would be interesting. [06:30] So just randomly what I picked what I [06:33] typed in was 2015 prophetic word [06:36] breakthrough. [06:40] So let's just there's a prophetic look [06:43] at 2015. This is chosen explosion house [06:46] church prophetic look at 2015. Let's see [06:49] what she has to say. [06:54] >> I haven't watched this. I don't know. [06:56] >> Hi guys. Happy new year. Um, I've been [06:59] spending some time with the Lord, [07:00] seeking his face, uh, for 2015. [07:04] Um, honestly, the Lord has has given me [07:08] some visions. Um, and spoken to me about [07:11] different things, but honestly, what the [07:12] Lord has been doing mostly is reminding [07:14] me of things. [07:15] >> All right, let's get out of the intro. [07:19] Let's see what the word for 2015 is. [07:22] >> Increase in spiritual activity, angelic [07:25] activity, and encounters with God. This [07:27] is already increasing. We see it [07:29] increasing and the Lord is saying it's [07:30] going to continue to increase amongst [07:33] his people and amongst those that do not [07:35] know him. Those who uh Muslims and uh [07:38] Hindus and atheists and uh just people [07:42] throughout the earth. The Lord is [07:43] revealing himself. [07:45] >> Okay. So, the Lord's going to reveal [07:46] himself in 2015. [07:49] Spontaneous freedom. See what that is. [07:52] >> Aneous freedom coming to those who hate [07:53] evil. I'm already seeing it. The Lord [07:55] has spoken it. The Lord has me to [07:57] declare it in spiritual warfare. [07:59] Freedom, spontaneous deliverance, people [08:01] being delivered from um from demon [08:04] >> spontaneous spontaneous lies, from [08:06] deceptions, from evil in their lives, in [08:09] their body and in their lives. Praise [08:12] the Lord. Lord, we thank you for that. [08:14] Um number five, a birthing of promises. [08:16] And the Lord has already said this, but [08:18] I'm just confirming it. I have a new a [08:20] lot of new subscribers, so I'm just [08:22] because it's the new year, I'm putting [08:23] these things together. And the Lord has [08:26] confirmed to me these things. Yes. Okay. [08:28] A birthing of promising promises, [08:31] the opening of doors. [08:34] Um, many are being launched into their [08:36] purpose, but not all yet. Not everyone, [08:39] but many are being launched into their [08:41] purposes. [08:42] >> Okay. So, there was a bunch of promises [08:44] way back in 2015 that people are going [08:46] to spontaneously [08:48] be freed of demonic possession. they are [08:51] going to uh get these anointings and [08:55] that one was even I mean promises are [08:58] just going to start breaking out. How [08:59] many times have you been told that? How [09:01] many times have you been told those [09:03] things? Let's check another one because [09:04] this happens all the time. It happens [09:06] year in and year out. Oh, there's a I [09:08] must have watched that one. Look at [09:09] that. Let's let's listen to Patricia [09:11] King. [09:12] >> Well, hello everyone. We are at the [09:14] brink of a brand new year. In fact, as [09:16] this uh particular message goes out, [09:18] we're we're just at the point of [09:20] engaging stepping over into 2015. [09:24] >> And the Lord has given me a number of [09:25] different insights for the year, [09:26] prophetic insights, but I want to give [09:28] you five because sometimes if we [09:29] understand the Lord's purpose and his [09:31] direction for a particular year, when we [09:33] pray into it, it postures us to receive [09:35] the blessing of that. So, I want to give [09:36] these to you right at the beginning of [09:38] this year so that you'll know how to [09:40] >> Yeah. And and here's the catch. If you [09:43] don't do a bunch of activity, a bunch of [09:45] certain things like close doors and [09:47] legally declare and and go to every [09:50] single worship night and be in every [09:52] class that they offer, we forfeit the [09:55] things that God told us. So, we have to [09:57] hear it again, I guess, the next year. [09:58] But, let's see what Patricia King says [09:59] that was going to come to pass in 2015. [10:01] >> Step into it, walk in it, pray for it, [10:02] and posture yourself in it. The first uh [10:04] one I want to deliver to you is the Lord [10:06] says praise in 2015 is going to be your [10:08] key to freedom, to victory, and to [10:10] overcoming. that in this year, wherever [10:13] you would see turmoil around you or [10:15] confusion or battle in the spirit or [10:17] whatever, if you would just start [10:18] focusing on Jesus and start praising [10:20] him, there's going to be a portal of [10:21] victory opened up where the victor's [10:22] crown will just fall upon you and [10:24] there'll be freedom and movement in the [10:26] kingdom uh towards you. God will just [10:28] start calling everything in the universe [10:29] to your favor to work on your behalf. [10:31] >> Oh my gosh. All we have to do is worship [10:34] in the middle of things and everything [10:35] in the universe God's going to call to [10:38] help us. That's awesome. That was in [10:40] 2015. I I wish I'd have been paying [10:43] attention then because 2015 [10:47] had a few things in it that probably [10:48] would have been easier. Let's see what [10:49] else is coming. [10:52] There is going to be increased angelic [10:54] activity in this new year. And I see [10:56] Michael. Michael the archangel is the [10:58] angel that oversees he's the archangel [11:00] that oversees Israel, but he also is in [11:02] charge of war. And this angel and his [11:05] entourage and in other words his company [11:07] of warrior angels are going to be loosed [11:08] in 2015. And we know that in the world [11:10] there's wars and rumors of wars and all [11:12] kinds of tensions going on. It's going [11:13] to be a year of tumult in the world but [11:15] in the kingdom it's going to be amazing. [11:17] And this entourage of angels is going to [11:18] be released. Now I just had mentioned [11:20] praise. Praise is going to be one of the [11:21] greatest keys. Remember in the book of [11:22] acts where the apostles were in prison. [11:25] But when they started praising it loos [11:26] angelic activity and it opened up the [11:28] heavens even in the midst of their conf. [11:30] >> Oh that's great. So, we're worried about [11:32] wars right now. It's in the news all the [11:35] time. We probably should remember this. [11:37] Oh, but I'll bet you. I'll bet you. All [11:39] right. So, that's just a couple. And And [11:41] we could probably do this for an entire [11:43] episode. [11:45] Let's go [11:48] 20. [11:52] Prophetic word breakthrough. [11:55] See what we get this time. [11:59] Prophetic breakthrough. Let's just check [12:01] this guy out. This is [12:02] >> Hi, this is Ras and Kitty Walden with [12:03] Father's Heart Ministry and this is [12:05] breakthrough word for the month of July. [12:07] >> In the month of July, the Father says [12:09] you are the recipient. I declare you to [12:10] be the recipient of a breaker anointing [12:12] I am pouring out upon the earth. [12:13] >> Breaker says I am opening the reserves [12:15] of the first pressing of the oil of my [12:17] spirit to be poured out in my temple and [12:19] you you are that temple. The father says [12:22] I'm giving you the first pressing. I [12:23] will not wait for the second pressing or [12:24] the third pressing for those are the [12:26] oils intended for common use. And the [12:28] father says, "There is nothing common [12:30] about what I am doing in your life in [12:32] this season." I [12:34] >> in this season. Okay. So, see, we hear [12:37] very similar things. Let's uh [12:41] There's Russell Walden again. Here's [12:42] another guy, Troy Brewer. Let's listen [12:45] to him. [12:45] >> I want to just say, guys, that this year [12:47] is a huge year for prophecy. It is a [12:49] huge year for prophetic ministry. It is [12:50] a huge year for prophetic culture. And [12:51] there's going to be tremendous advances [12:53] this year in the year 2018 in the Hebrew [12:54] year 5778 concerning prophecy, prophetic [12:56] ministry, and prophetic culture. And [12:57] guys, there are all different kinds of [12:58] prophetic ministry. And I like what [12:59] Michael Fus has to say when he talks [13:01] about prophetic. [13:02] >> Okay, so increase in angel activity, [13:05] increase in prophetic ministry, sudden [13:08] surprise breakthrough on this lady. [13:12] I'm looking for one that's big. John [13:14] Kilpatrick. Oh, this has got a lot of [13:16] views. 294,000 views. [13:20] Okay, the words for 2018 and beyond. The [13:23] Lord woke me up about 8 something on [13:25] December the 23rd of last year, just a [13:28] couple of three weeks ago. And when the [13:30] Lord woke me up in the morning time, I [13:31] had just gone to bed that morning about [13:32] four o'clock. And as I was sleeping, I [13:35] was awakened and I heard the Lord say to [13:36] me, "Tell my people that 2018 is going [13:41] to be the year of divine interruptions." [13:43] >> Oh, right. [13:45] Divine interruptions. [13:47] Okay, so you get the point, right? [13:52] We've got all kinds of things that are [13:55] said every year, every month, every [13:57] week, sometimes by the day with pastors, [14:01] prophets. We hear this stuff constantly [14:04] that this is it. We're going to have a [14:05] break or anointing. We're going to have [14:07] angel increases. We're going to [14:11] for as much as this stuff is said, [14:14] when is it going to happen? [14:17] It seems to be happening to them [14:18] according to their stories. [14:21] But if Bill Johnson is right, then all [14:23] of these things should be commonplace. I [14:25] was looking, I found an article, I'll [14:28] just show you. I'm not going to read the [14:29] article, but the cover of it, this was [14:31] out of Christian Post reporter Bill [14:34] Johnson. Healing is as much of the [14:37] gospel as is forgiveness. Healing. [14:42] So healing should be just as just as [14:44] normal as somebody being forgiven of [14:46] their sins. It's part of the gospel. [14:47] It's integral to the gospel. So, you'd [14:50] think then that we would see just every [14:52] Christian that's forgiven walking around [14:54] doing miracles. Now, they get around [14:55] this with some [14:58] theological gymnastics around certain [15:00] verses. And even the whole healing is [15:03] guaranteed in the atonement. [15:05] It's kind of a misreading of Isaiah [15:07] there where by his stripes we are [15:10] healed. It's talking about our sin [15:11] sickness, not necessarily our diseases. [15:14] Otherwise, there's a lot of Christians [15:15] that have really failed, including me. I [15:17] still struggle with depression off and [15:18] on. my shoulder axe up and I got a bum [15:20] knee, [15:22] but I thought I was serving the Lord. A [15:25] lot of people claim that these miracles [15:27] are common place. All of the people that [15:29] we just watched and and thousands of [15:31] others, [15:33] people that you used to listen to, maybe [15:35] still are trying to break from, [15:38] they say that all these stories are [15:40] common place. With all the stories you [15:42] hear in the N hyperarismatic movie, you [15:44] think somebody would have captured some [15:46] kind of evidence of some of these things [15:47] happening. I have a book sitting at home [15:49] on my shelf that is uh about dead [15:53] raising teams, how to create it's from [15:55] the dude out out of Bethl. I can't [15:57] remember the name of it now. I've read [15:59] through half of it, but it looks like [16:00] I'm reading through somebody that's high [16:02] on LSD writing down their memoir. It [16:05] doesn't even make sense when you read [16:07] it. I I'm trying to Usually I'm a pretty [16:09] fast reader, but when it comes to a book [16:11] like that, I get so frustrated with what [16:13] he's saying and doing and it's hard to [16:17] even read it. And I'm not saying God [16:18] doesn't heal. He does heal. I've been [16:20] healed. I was an an addict. And there's [16:23] been so many things I can tell you. [16:27] But even the the most bought in card [16:31] carrying N acolyte [16:36] has to wrestle with questions about [16:37] God's power. And I know that because I [16:40] hear from people that eventually come [16:42] out. This usually starts early that we [16:44] start questioning why isn't this [16:46] happening? Why did it fail? What did I [16:48] do wrong? What did our church do wrong? [16:51] How how could God have let this happen? [16:52] Because prophet so and so said the [16:55] opposite. We wrestle with this. And what [16:57] we try to do is cope. We rationalize. We [17:01] justify. We blame ourselves. We blame [17:03] somebody else. It's, you know, these [17:06] sometimes a prophet will come out and [17:07] say something is going to happen and [17:09] then when it doesn't they'll say, "Well, [17:10] it's because the church interceded and [17:12] prayed and then it didn't." So, it's a [17:15] it's pretty convenient copout [17:19] that you can say whatever you want and [17:20] you really never get called on it [17:22] because there's so many variables that [17:24] you never could. But there's enough [17:26] specifics to keep us on the hook. It's a [17:29] carrot on a stick and it's carrot on the [17:31] on a stick theology. That's what the N [17:34] specializes in. They're always promising [17:36] the revival. They're promising the [17:37] wealth transfer. They're promising the [17:40] seven mountains will finally be taken [17:42] over and we'll usher in Jesus into his [17:45] kingdom on earth. We're promised all of [17:47] these things that never ever happen. [17:51] They just keep kicking the can down the [17:53] road further and further and further. [17:59] They keep us busy [18:04] and we're so busy trying to find the [18:06] keys to access these things. We're so [18:08] busy trying to close these doors. We're [18:10] so busy attending every service and [18:13] going to soak every worship night and [18:16] taking every available class to us and [18:19] hiding in the room for hours to pray to [18:21] seek new revelation from God. We're so [18:23] busy we don't even really stop to think [18:26] why isn't this happening? How come in [18:28] the last 10 years none of this has come [18:30] true? And the the real problem is that [18:32] sometimes some of them the way we [18:34] rationalize a lot of these prophecies [18:35] seem like maybe they could have because [18:38] a lot of these prophecies are so vague [18:41] that it could be any. When you have a [18:43] young couple come to the front and [18:45] somebody says you know you're having [18:46] money trouble well what young married [18:47] couple isn't? [18:50] So you can say these like onesie type [18:52] prophecies that could fit almost anybody [18:54] and then they could fit almost any [18:56] application. [18:58] And so we do this we we rationalize how [19:01] that must have worked and that's just [19:03] enough to keep us going back for more. [19:07] I mean to get our access we have to [19:11] soak. If you don't know what that is, [19:13] soaking is just listening to music lying [19:16] on the floor or sitting there with your [19:18] arms up in the air. Why? [19:21] Oh, well, that makes you more yielded to [19:22] Jesus. That makes you more open Jesus. [19:25] In some cases, even going to heaven. I [19:26] got a video of that we're going to we're [19:28] going to look at. It's a misguided [19:29] attempt at spiritual growth for some, [19:33] and for others, it's just become a [19:35] regular part uh regular form of seeking [19:39] God in place of Bible study, and place [19:41] of prayer, like serious Bible study. I'm [19:43] not just talking about a devotion. It's [19:45] much easier. Life is a mess. [19:48] and I don't know how to organize it. [19:50] Rather than get disciplined as Christian [19:52] discipline would have us where we are [19:54] training ourselves to think rightly [19:55] according to scripture. We start [19:57] disciplines where we begin our day a [19:59] certain way starting with the Lord, [20:01] maybe a little bit of prayer, some some [20:04] Bible reading, and then get about our [20:06] day. We don't have time for all that. [20:07] It's much easier to pencil in a Friday [20:10] night and then just go soak in the [20:13] presence. And what's the end result of [20:15] all this? What's the end result of all [20:16] the classes, all the soaking, all the [20:19] locking ourselves in a room to pray? Um [20:24] what what is the result? Nothing much [20:27] an experience. [20:30] But situations don't go away just [20:32] because we soaked. [20:36] How about how about the amount of [20:37] business that goes on serving in an N [20:41] ministry? You got small groups, you got [20:43] the worship nights, you got outreach, [20:44] you got ministry schooling and church [20:46] services. And when you put all that [20:47] together, all of those are just [20:49] relegated to busy work in many cases [20:51] because there's not a lot of B Bible [20:52] instruction going on at all. [20:56] We're being used to build a ministry for [20:58] somebody. We're being used as pawns and [21:02] in some cases indentured servants [21:04] because we're doing this with the [21:06] expectation that we're going to have [21:07] God's favor because if we have the favor [21:09] of this anointed leader, well, there's [21:10] going to be a lot of blessing with that. [21:12] And so, they keep us again on the hook. [21:14] They're making promises over and over [21:16] and over that we is just enough to keep [21:19] us there. [21:23] But we're building a ministry. We're not [21:25] building the kingdom of God. [21:27] And all of this tires you out. You talk [21:30] about disillusionment. [21:32] You get tired because you're hearing [21:34] these kind of things, an angelic [21:36] outpourings. This is the year of [21:38] breakthrough. The breaker anointing's [21:39] coming. But you still keep pushing. You [21:42] still keep trying to prove yourself. You [21:44] ste still keep pressing in all the [21:46] buzzwords in the hopes that God is going [21:49] to move and that God is going to honor [21:51] what he's been saying through the [21:52] prophets. [21:54] He's going to change my situation. The [21:56] prodigals are going to come home. The [21:57] wealth transfer is going to happen. My [21:59] bank account won't be empty forever if I [22:01] just keep pushing. I'll get my healing. [22:03] I'll get my miracle. My grandma is going [22:05] to get her miracle or I'm going to get [22:07] this new revelation. I I know God's [22:10] called me to ministry, but I don't [22:11] really know what. I just need one more [22:12] revelation from God. And that's going to [22:14] change everything in my life. That's [22:16] what they're promising us. [22:18] an experience, a oneshot big event in [22:22] our life. If we just keep doing these [22:24] things that they keep having us do, [22:26] we'll get the key to breakthrough. We [22:28] want that. We're searching for it. We [22:31] try harder. We pray longer. We sing [22:33] louder. We worship more freely, more [22:36] demonstrative. [22:37] We're doing all we can, hoping to see [22:39] God do something amazing. Whether it's [22:41] in the service, in our lives, anywhere. [22:43] We just want to see something. We want [22:44] to see some kind of manifestation. [22:47] Just like we keep bringing we keep being [22:49] told [22:52] that he does this all day every day by [22:54] the N leaders. We want to see some of [22:56] that too. We want to get in on that [22:59] because they're coming in with all these [23:00] amazing stories. And that really is the [23:03] reason we propped them up in the first [23:04] place, just because they got great [23:06] stories. We don't see videos of these [23:08] things. We don't get receipts. We just [23:10] get the stories. And it's always been [23:12] this way. It's their entire stick. All [23:15] the way back to the revival days. [23:17] William Brandham, they have stage [23:18] personas that they used. There's a [23:21] character they portray on stage and that [23:24] character they're portraying on stage is [23:26] one that's chasing out demons routinely. [23:29] No trouble at all. They just command [23:31] diseases to leave and they leave too. [23:33] Even death in many cases, [23:38] I mean they're giving people back to [23:41] their loved ones, right? In these [23:42] stories they give us, they see visions. [23:45] They see open portals with angels coming [23:47] and descending and going back to heaven. [23:49] They visit heaven. Even [23:52] they talk about God on his throne and [23:55] how they run around, do laps and and [23:57] laugh and joke around with Jesus. [24:00] Jesus has long conversations in heaven [24:02] with him. You know, some of them like [24:04] Bob Jones even claim to be able to teach [24:06] people to go up to heaven. And I want to [24:08] show you a video of that. These are some [24:11] great promises if they could deliver. [24:15] But there's a problem. And the problem [24:16] is that they don't deliver. Now, I'm [24:20] going to show you Bob Jones, [24:23] and he's going to be teaching us how to [24:25] go up. Had to give up. Bob Jones. [24:31] Sorry, I don't have a lot of patience [24:32] for Bob Jones, but I'm going to attempt [24:34] this [24:36] then. I've never had the ability to take [24:40] people up except recently when he gave [24:42] me that word about the kingdom coming. [24:45] Now, it's time that the kingdom comes [24:47] out of you tonight for one another [24:51] and I'm going to show you how to do [24:53] that. But first, I want to lay [24:55] scriptures [24:57] on Ephesians. [25:00] Okay? He's gonna butcher a few [25:02] scriptures. We don't have time for all [25:03] that because he mumbles a lot. We're [25:05] going to get to where he's teaching us [25:06] how to go. [25:08] >> The butterfly lives in the sun. It's [25:11] time that you be a generation that lives [25:14] in the sun with the sun. [25:17] >> For what the sun does, by the way, [25:20] >> it pumps the fluids into the wings and [25:22] everything to where the butterfly can go [25:25] and reproduce beyond imagination [25:29] >> in one year. It's time you become light. [25:35] And it's time that you reproduce without [25:39] numbers. [25:44] So [25:46] what I usually have people to do is I [25:49] have them to stand up. Not yet. I want [25:52] you to understand. [25:56] I have you to stand up. I'm going to ask [25:58] the Holy Spirit to come. I want you to [26:00] put your head up and I want you to close [26:03] your eyes and I want you to take deep [26:05] breaths. The worst thing you can do is [26:07] pray. [26:11] You understand what you're doing if [26:12] you're praying? [26:14] I want this raptured. [26:18] >> In other words, he doesn't want us to [26:19] think because if we think about what it [26:22] is that he's saying, we should be [26:24] running for the exits as fast as we can. [26:26] But he doesn't want us to do that. Now, [26:28] I'm going to take us to where he starts [26:30] having him do this. He's going to take [26:33] him up to heaven. [26:35] >> Watch your feelings. Wind's been blowing [26:37] over you ever since I've been speaking. [26:40] That's angel activity. [26:44] >> So, he says, "W's already been blowing [26:46] over you ever since I've been speaking." [26:47] Nobody in that room has felt that, but [26:50] that's one of those things they say that [26:52] we just Okay, [26:54] >> so now if you'll stand up. Here we go. [26:57] We're gonna go to heaven. [27:02] >> What an amazing promise if it was true. [27:05] >> Put your hands up. [27:07] Put your head up. Reason I want your [27:09] head put up. So many of you are tried [27:11] with rejection. There's no rejection [27:14] here. They're just sons and daughters. [27:17] Now take a deep breath. [27:20] Come, Holy Spirit. [27:25] Good. You're going good. [27:29] Good. Keep breathing. [27:31] >> They all look like they're still at [27:32] Bethl to me. [27:33] >> Breathe in. Breathe out the old. [27:35] >> Breathe in the new. [27:36] >> That's a new age thought, by the way. [27:39] The breathing. Contemplative prayer [27:41] falls into that as well. [27:42] >> You can do this as often as you choose, [27:45] and you can lead as many people to [27:47] desire this. [27:52] for this teaching I've given you. You [27:54] can give it to whomever will [27:57] take other breath. That's good. Good. [28:00] Now, some of you ought to feel it coming [28:01] up the back of your neck on the sides of [28:04] your head. Thank you, Holy Spirit. [28:08] Keep moving. [28:08] >> You notice some people shaking and [28:10] convulsing? [28:11] >> Good. [28:13] Good. [28:16] Good. [28:19] They're going to heaven. Good, [28:22] good. [28:22] >> What an amazing promise. [28:24] >> Spiritual activity is increasing. [28:27] Thank you, Lord. [28:33] Good. [28:35] Thank you, Lord. [28:38] Good. [28:43] Thank you, Lord. [28:46] Good. [28:48] Basically, he does nothing. I'm just [28:50] going to go ahead and stop that one [28:52] because uh [28:54] it's ridiculous. It's just another one [28:56] of many promises. [28:58] They all stood there in the room, put [28:59] their hands up, and some of them started [29:01] to shake. That's a trip to heaven. He [29:03] promised that he was going to teach them [29:04] to take them up and they're going to be [29:06] able to go teach this, too. [29:09] You're teaching people to just accept to [29:11] just live in delusion. And we buy into [29:15] it because we want so badly to have some [29:16] of these things that we've been promised [29:18] repeatedly. But this God that they're [29:20] presenting is powerless. They didn't go [29:21] to heaven. Just like people didn't get [29:25] spontaneously [29:26] freed of demons. And just like prophetic [29:30] acceleration didn't happen in 2015, [29:32] didn't happen in 28. I mean, the [29:34] movement's growing if that's what they [29:36] mean. But they're promising and [29:38] promising and promising. Bob Jones [29:40] specifically was one that he promised uh [29:46] that when the Kansas City Chiefs won the [29:47] Super Bowl that there'd be nationwide [29:49] revival. [29:52] He's telling people too to not pray. [29:54] Empty your mind. And this is a tactic [29:56] the NR uses. They don't want you to [29:57] think because if you start thinking [29:58] about it, you start putting pieces [30:00] together and say, "What am I doing? What [30:02] what am I doing with my entire life with [30:04] the years, the money, the effort, the [30:06] the expense? [30:08] He's saying empty your mind. Philippians [30:10] 4:8 says, "Finally, brothers, whatever, [30:12] here's what you're supposed to do. Think [30:14] on things. Whatever is true, whatever is [30:16] honorable, whatever is just, whatever is [30:18] pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is [30:20] commendable, if there is any excellence, [30:22] if there's anything worthy of praise, [30:24] think [30:25] about these things." [30:28] And that was eight things right there [30:30] just in one verse that we're to be [30:31] thinking on. not empty our mind but to [30:33] fill it with the right the right things [30:36] with truth with things that are [30:38] honorable things that are just things [30:40] that are pure whatever is lovely [30:42] commendable excellent think about those [30:45] so we hear testimonies though not just [30:48] from the big name apostles and prophets [30:50] there was people on the 2015 thing that [30:52] I I mean I hadn't heard of a couple of [30:53] those people that I pulled up when we [30:55] were just surfing YouTube there it's not [30:57] just prophets and apostle big names it's [30:59] people on YouTube regular people like [31:02] uh worship leaders, children's ministry [31:04] leaders who give us all sorts of [31:06] testimonies about five and six year olds [31:08] meeting angels, talking to Jesus. And [31:10] I'm going to play a video of it's an old [31:13] one from Bethl's former youth pastor. [31:16] And this is sickening and sad that, you [31:20] know, it gets to this, but let's let's [31:23] try another [31:26] >> kind of along those lines. um in helping [31:29] train the kids in discernment. I would [31:31] imagine that would be a really important [31:34] piece of this puzzle of helping them [31:36] develop in these ways. Um how is it that [31:39] you guys help the kids learn how to [31:42] discern encounters, dreams, visions, [31:46] those kinds of things. [31:47] >> We had I had a mom come they moved here [31:49] not that long ago and their son would [31:52] come home and say, "Mom, I'm seeing [31:54] angels and mom I've seen Jesus." Wow. [31:56] >> She came and said, "How do I know he's [31:58] not just making it up?" And I So I said, [32:00] "What's the fruit? [32:02] >> Does he love God more?" [32:04] >> Okay, real quick. Seth Doll, he's the [32:06] guy that said Jesus apologized to him on [32:08] the stage at Bethl. And here he is being [32:10] interviewed about kids that are coming [32:12] out and coming home with stories that [32:14] they visited Jesus, they went to heaven. [32:16] Well, it's if it doesn't sound evil, [32:19] then serve God. [32:22] >> Does he love Jesus more? see more on [32:24] fire for God. [32:25] >> Yeah. [32:26] >> You know, what is the angel telling? [32:28] What's the angel doing? Things like [32:30] that. Like [32:32] >> like oftenimes I think we get too [32:34] concerned about was that God or was that [32:36] me? [32:36] >> I think we get way too concerned with [32:38] that since we [32:39] >> why would that why would why would being [32:42] way too concerned about that be a [32:44] problem? [32:45] The Bible says that our hearts are [32:46] deceitful. Who can know it? We we have [32:48] to be able to discern the New Testament. [32:51] Just about every book in the New [32:53] Testament is dealing with [32:56] false teaching, false teachers, false [32:59] prophets, discerning, testing, [33:02] everything. [33:04] So, it seems that that is something we [33:06] should get hung up on. But here's a [33:08] children's pastor, former children's [33:09] pastor at Bethl saying opposite. mind of [33:13] Christ, [33:14] much of what God will do will feel like [33:16] us or seem like us. Like he has a [33:19] thought through us. And it it's like a [33:21] thought like, "Wow, I could have missed [33:23] that or dismissed something as something [33:26] God sent me as if it were my own." [33:28] >> But when it comes to discerning like if [33:31] it's if it's God or the devil, like does [33:34] it steal, kill, and destroy or does it [33:36] give life and life more abundantly? You [33:38] know, that seems to me a bit easier. [33:40] like [33:40] >> Mhm. [33:40] >> how did you feel? [33:41] >> And that's how personal prophecy is able [33:42] to take off as much as it is. It doesn't [33:44] sound evil, so it must be God. [33:46] >> Versus, [33:48] >> yeah, did you feel peaceful, right? Did [33:51] you feel loved, [33:52] >> right? [33:53] >> That's really watching the fruit of the [33:54] lives, too. [33:55] >> Questions are the biggest part of it. [33:58] >> Um, [34:00] >> okay, that's good. It's uh [34:04] that whole thing comes out because at [34:06] Bethl that's what they do [34:09] is teach kids to [34:13] see something, draw it out, put it up on [34:16] the coloring board, coloring coloring [34:18] book. Let me show you another one here. [34:21] >> Prophetic. The difference between those [34:23] two is that the adults will go through [34:25] this battle. Is that me? Is that is did [34:28] I already know? Is that God? Is that my [34:30] enemy? years that and they'll go through [34:31] this war. You tell children God wants to [34:34] talk to them and they go, "Cool. [34:37] Well, I saw blue." And and they and it's [34:39] a very easy process for them. There [34:41] isn't [34:43] >> Yeah. It's a very easy process for them [34:44] because they're being taught in these [34:46] cultures to continually [34:49] accept anything that comes into their [34:51] mind. And the adults are so busy telling [34:53] themselves to stop thinking. We're going [34:56] to raise a a generation of kids. You [34:58] talk about hitting a wall at 100 miles [35:00] an hour. [35:02] It's easy for kids to just believe [35:04] everything. Everything's handled for [35:05] them. They don't have any real problems [35:07] yet. Wait till they get out on their own [35:09] and they find out that this N God [35:13] is [35:15] not doing the things that they're being [35:17] claimed that he's doing. And we hear [35:19] these stories of [35:22] miracles and signs and wonders and a [35:25] church full of other people hoping to [35:27] experience all the same stuff too if we [35:29] just empty our mind enough. If we just [35:31] unlock enough doors or seal up enough [35:33] doors so we cheer and we clap and we say [35:35] amen. Or you hear clips and stuff like [35:37] that when ladies are talking about kids [35:39] going to heaven. We're like [35:42] wow. [35:44] You always hear that. Oh wow. There's [35:47] always somebody. Just like at the alder [35:50] calls, there's always a couple people [35:51] like shrieking. I'm surprised dogs don't [35:54] come running in the doors, but we [35:55] believe it. We eat it up. The more [35:58] sensational, the more fantastic, [36:01] especially the more the speaker [36:04] looks convinced, the easier it is for us [36:07] to be convinced. We eat it up. But then [36:09] when it's our turn, when we need a [36:12] miracle, [36:14] when it's our own faith that's in crisis [36:16] because we haven't had any of these [36:18] things happen yet, life's problems get a [36:21] little bit too big. It's easy to think [36:24] it's going to happen while we're sitting [36:25] there or having our worship experience [36:26] or hearing the story. We're all excited. [36:29] So, we go to the God when we're in [36:32] trouble that we've been told never [36:34] allows his kids to go through any [36:36] troubles. [36:38] We go to the god who we've been told [36:40] over in Africa is raising people from [36:42] the dead. So you end up with baby olive. [36:46] Stuff like that. [36:50] We go to a god who we've been told by [36:53] people like Bill Johnson is always his [36:57] will to heal. [36:59] Even so far as going to say like I'm [37:02] going to play a clip here in a second [37:04] where Bill Johnson won't pray. not my [37:08] will but yours be done. [37:10] He says it's wrong for us to play pray [37:12] that because it's not making a bold [37:14] declaration. [37:15] It's it's a prayer of unbelief as far as [37:18] Bill Johnson is concerned. Let me show [37:20] you. [37:21] >> And and [37:21] >> so it was a different idea. It wasn't [37:22] like if it's Lord if it's your will. No. [37:25] So it's not like um having that um [37:27] >> in your prayer or in your thought life [37:29] because in your it's like practical [37:30] theology like you approach everybody [37:31] like the Lord's going to move right now. [37:33] >> Yeah. Yeah. And I can't pray if it's [37:34] your will because for me that's a prayer [37:35] of unbelief. Okay? [37:36] >> Because he's already revealed to me. It [37:38] is his will in his provision for [37:40] healing. And personally, I use Isaiah [37:42] 53, but you can, you know, you can come [37:44] in. [37:45] >> By his stripes, we are healed. Again, [37:48] sin, sickness, not every disease that [37:50] you've ever had. [37:51] >> Many different angles. It's an aspect of [37:52] the kingdom, which is a present reality. [37:54] >> Uh Jesus made provision for it. So, I [37:56] have to I have to pursue it in that [37:58] light. [37:58] >> And then, but in in my rel, you know, [38:00] it's appointed unto man to die. So there [38:02] is a point of death and uh I don't know [38:04] that that should be the subject now but [38:05] uh [38:07] >> okay so [38:09] as far as Bill Johnson's concern to pray [38:11] not my will but yours be done [38:16] that's a prayer of unbelief [38:19] but didn't Jesus say when he taught his [38:21] disciples how to pray our father who's [38:25] in heaven hallowed be your name your [38:28] kingdom come what's the next Fine. [38:32] Oh, don't say it. That's unbelief. [38:35] Your will be done. We see Jesus modeling [38:38] that. That's the way we should pray, [38:40] too. [38:43] If I'm being told consistently that even [38:45] praying for God's will to be done in a [38:48] healing situation or something like that [38:49] is wrong, [38:51] what's going to happen when I prayed for [38:52] my loved one, they don't get well and [38:54] things don't change? What's going to [38:56] happen when my kids are starting to move [38:58] away? And believe me, kids that are [39:01] raised in this don't typically stay [39:04] because they're able to see it. They're [39:06] not so desperate yet for these miracles. [39:10] They just see it on its face. And a lot [39:12] of times they don't question it until [39:14] the point when they do, and they start [39:15] seeing inconsistencies. They see, like I [39:18] did, that some of the most demonstrative [39:20] prayer warriors and praisers had home [39:23] lives that were complete mess. They see [39:26] the people that are struggling with [39:30] afflictions in their body not being [39:32] healed, sitting in that wheelchair week [39:34] after week after week until they die. [39:37] And so they end up leaving this stuff. [39:39] What happens when our kids do that? [39:42] What happens when the money dries up? [39:44] Then what? Because we've been told that [39:47] God's just going to do all these things [39:48] for us all the time. Well, it's your [39:51] fault. That's what. And while they won't [39:54] say that, and Bill Johnson definitely [39:56] works hard to distance himself. In fact, [39:58] I've heard him on one podcast saying, [40:00] "We would never say that because that's [40:01] cruel." Yeah, it is cruel. You're not [40:04] saying it, but you're accidentally [40:05] teaching it. And people are accidentally [40:07] learning it because if I lose my miracle [40:09] because I didn't have enough faith, or I [40:12] don't have enough money because I just [40:13] couldn't believe God long enough, or I'm [40:15] suffering with depression because I [40:16] accidentally left the door open. Whose [40:19] fault is that? You can tell me it's not [40:21] my fault, but I don't know who else I'd [40:22] be able to blame. It's either me or God. [40:26] And when this happens, when we get to [40:29] the point where [40:32] we've really run into a big problem and [40:35] this God we've been presented fails us, [40:38] one of three things happens. [40:41] You either give up and walk away like a [40:43] lot of kids do when they grow up in this [40:46] because you get let down in a big enough [40:48] way, a really big way. Your spouse dies. [40:50] You lose a child. that your your kids [40:53] disown you and go out into the world and [40:54] they just reject everything. Money dries [40:57] up and you lose your business, you lose [40:59] your home. [41:01] When something like that happens, you [41:03] end up in a crisis of faith. [41:06] And this first group of people [41:10] because they really have no real [41:12] knowledge of God that you can carry with [41:13] you as you try to walk through this, [41:17] you just walk away and never come back. [41:18] And I think the largest group of people [41:20] that leave the NR and hyperarismatic [41:22] movement are this first group. They walk [41:24] out and never look back. A lot of them [41:26] never walk into churches again because [41:28] as I've said before, we get hurt and [41:30] that's why we leave. We don't leave over [41:31] the theological differences. We spend a [41:33] lot of time rationalizing why why this [41:36] one passage seems a little bit [41:37] different. I used to wonder about that [41:39] when I was growing up at Grace [41:40] Cathedral. At the end of every service, [41:42] they would have everybody come up and [41:43] start speaking in tongues. So you'd have [41:44] hundreds of people doing it. But when I [41:47] read things like in first Corinthians [41:48] where it says one at most two and each [41:50] one in turn, that's a pretty clear [41:52] instruction. And I don't like using that [41:54] word clear very often because a lot of [41:56] times preachers say that and it's not [41:58] very clear. But in that case, it's [42:00] pretty clear. [42:02] So what do you do with five, six hundred [42:04] people being told by their pastor to [42:05] start doing it now? [42:08] You rationalize it away. That's what [42:12] So say you've got to the point where [42:14] you're done. You can't rationalize it [42:15] anymore because now it's hit so close to [42:17] home and it's hit so hard that you have [42:19] this crisis of faith. You don't have any [42:21] real knowledge of the Bible. So, you [42:22] don't have anything to help carry you [42:23] through anything. Well, what do you do? [42:26] You blame God. You don't blame the false [42:28] teacher that filled you with all these [42:30] lies. You blame God. Instead of blaming [42:32] false teaching, we blame God. We blame [42:34] the church. We blame the people of God. [42:36] But how would you even know what's true [42:37] from what's false? You haven't been [42:38] taught. [42:40] Your faith has depended on other [42:42] people's stories. [42:45] and you've been working so hard you [42:46] didn't have time to notice that you [42:48] weren't learning anything of any [42:50] substance. [42:51] That's the first outcome of people that [42:53] hit the wall in this. Second thing that [42:55] happens to many of us is that we double [42:58] down. [43:00] We swallow our guilt because it was our [43:02] fault that we didn't get this. I didn't [43:04] perform good enough for God and I [43:06] rationalize away why he didn't move. [43:09] Something I did was wrong. One thing I [43:12] tell our church when it comes to faith [43:14] because those of us breaking out of [43:15] this, this is where it gets us. We [43:17] didn't have enough faith. Don't think [43:19] about faith as many of us see faith as [43:22] like a cup, like a glass. [43:26] And we imagine this glass being filled [43:28] up. That's our faith, right? And once we [43:31] get it up to a certain level, we get [43:33] what we're asking for. God's waiting for [43:35] us to get that faith filled up. And the [43:37] only thing we can do is just keep saying [43:39] it. It's going to happen. It did happen. [43:41] It's already happened. I'm thanking you [43:42] in advance. All that kind of stuff to [43:44] try to make sure we don't say anything [43:46] negative and pop a little hole in our [43:47] cup so faith doesn't start going back. [43:50] We want to build it up. But that's not [43:51] the way we should look at faith. Jesus [43:53] compared faith to a mustard seed. And [43:55] since I reached back here, let me just [43:57] say n people like to point out Godzilla [43:59] and get angry. That's not a demon. It's [44:01] just Godzilla. And this whole backdrop [44:04] is something I threw together in an [44:07] afternoon because I didn't want to have [44:08] a bare wall behind me. This none of this [44:10] this is just junk I had laying around [44:11] the house. [44:13] I got yelled at by somebody over [44:15] Godzilla and Mountain Dew and they [44:17] messed up Mountain Dew thinking Mountain [44:19] Dew was liquid death because Liquid [44:21] Death had this whole urban legend about [44:24] it was demonic. N people believed this [44:28] and they somehow thought Mountain Dew [44:29] was demonic. [44:31] Well, Mountain Dew Zero might be [44:34] demonic. [44:36] Anyway, the second group of people [44:39] doubles down. And this is what we do. We [44:41] think we didn't build up enough faith. [44:43] Jesus doesn't say faith is like a a mug [44:46] full of liquid. He tells us faith is [44:48] like a little mustard seed, tiny. It's [44:50] one little stone. And Ephesians tells us [44:52] that God's the one that gives us faith. [44:54] We don't work it up. He actually gives [44:56] it to us. And if that little tiny bit of [44:58] faith is enough to [45:01] do some pretty great things and not [45:02] amazing things like actually pick up a [45:04] mountain and throw it, [45:06] there's a lot of symbolism going on [45:08] there. The mountain is where God lives. [45:09] The sea is often referred to when you're [45:12] talking about gentile nations. [45:14] And where was the temple? The temple was [45:16] on that mountain. Jesus is saying one [45:19] way to look at it is that Jesus is [45:22] saying you could say to this mountain [45:27] be cast into the sea, the temple, the [45:30] light, the people, the presence of God [45:32] be cast out into the nations. [45:34] Yeah. Yeah. Total paradigm shift, right? [45:40] So you didn't get your faith, you didn't [45:41] get your healing, you you didn't get [45:43] anything. And so you either quit and [45:45] leave or you double down, rationalize. I [45:47] didn't have enough faith. It didn't [45:49] happen to me because I was speaking [45:52] wrong things. I wasn't worshiping hard [45:54] enough. I opened a portal. You're [45:56] determined that I can move up a new [45:58] level. If I move up a new level, if I [45:59] can find the key to breakthrough next [46:02] time, this isn't going to happen. So, [46:04] what you do then is you write off [46:05] anybody that doesn't agree with you. Any [46:07] naysayers at all, cut them out of your [46:09] life because you don't need that kind of [46:10] stuff. And people lose their families [46:11] over this stuff. You roll up your [46:13] sleeves and you get right back to work. [46:15] only this time you're deeper. Every [46:17] revival you can find, you go to as many [46:20] hours as you need to be locked away, [46:21] even from your own family and family [46:23] time to pray, you'll do it because you [46:25] want to go up this new level. Every [46:26] worship encounter, you're there. You're [46:29] you're you got Post-it notes all over [46:30] the house in some cases [46:33] because you're coming against the devil. [46:34] He has to have an open door. So, I got [46:36] to have reminders. It becomes this OCD [46:39] craziness. [46:41] more rules for you to now live by. [46:46] Remember, salvation is by grace, which [46:48] is a gift through faith, just belief. No [46:50] feelings involved, [46:52] no working involved. [46:54] But here we are in the N hyperarismatic, [46:57] feeling our way through a whole lot of [46:59] work. This is wrong. This is backwards. [47:03] And so when you're in this and you fail [47:04] and you fall in that second group that [47:06] doubles down and rationalizes it all the [47:08] way, you make more rules for yourself. [47:09] you you add things to your to your list [47:12] that you should be afraid of or that you [47:14] should avoid because you're allowing the [47:16] devil to override God's blessings when [47:18] you do those things. So, those have got [47:19] to go. You might listen to worship music [47:22] every waking moment or just lose [47:24] yourself looking for a fresh word, every [47:26] prophet you can listen to and adjusting [47:28] your life according to what these people [47:30] are saying that you don't even know. And [47:32] some get into hours and hours and hours [47:33] and hours of Bible study, but they're [47:35] not teaching you how to study. So it [47:36] turns into I'm circling certain words [47:39] and I'm color coding things and I'm [47:41] trying to find secret messages here in [47:42] the Bible. No, we need a hermeneutical [47:45] guide. And if you run off into the weeds [47:47] without even knowing what you're looking [47:48] at or how to look at it, assuming that [47:51] the Holy Spirit will just when I open up [47:53] my Bible, he'll take me right to the [47:55] verse I need and he's going to speak [47:56] some secret hidden message to me from [47:58] this verse. That's the attitude we have. [48:01] That's the attitude I used to have. [48:03] He'll just direct us to this one verse. [48:05] It's going to open everything up with a [48:07] brand new insight. [48:10] But when you lock away from others [48:11] though, a lot of your relationships [48:13] start to suffer. When you cut people out [48:15] of your life because they might be [48:16] speaking negatively, [48:19] we're actually [48:23] rather than pleasing God, it's like a [48:24] slap in the face to what God's will for [48:26] our lives actually is. He's laid out [48:29] very plain, very basic commands to all [48:32] of us that aren't patterned [48:34] specifically. They're just patterned to [48:36] groups. Husbands, wives, children, [48:40] friends, enemies, neighbors, workers, [48:43] bosses. [48:45] He's laid out a whole bunch of commands. [48:46] And when we live according to those, we [48:49] don't have to worry about this other [48:50] stuff. We don't have to work for [48:51] anything. We can just trust God. either [48:53] we'll get our healings or our [48:55] breakthrough or our miracle or he'll [48:57] give us the strength to continue on [48:59] through it. But with that kind of stuff, [49:02] we actually start to cut other people [49:05] out of our lives so we can spend more [49:06] time soaking or praying or whatever. And [49:09] we're ignoring these very plain and [49:11] basic commands that teach us how to [49:13] order our loves. [49:16] We have God and as a husband, then my [49:18] wife, then my children. I'm a pastor of [49:22] a church. [49:23] So, I have to order those right. Church [49:25] doesn't come before my wife. My kids [49:27] don't come before my wife. My church [49:30] doesn't come before God or before my [49:32] kids. You see, when we order these [49:34] correctly the way God's already laid [49:35] this out, we prioritize certain things [49:38] the right way. [49:40] But that all goes out the window if [49:41] we're chasing. And now we're not even [49:43] pleasing God in the very basic stuff [49:44] that he's created us to do. We'll [49:46] neglect all kinds of responsibilities. [49:48] We'll chase after a God who promised [49:49] that he's going to take away all our [49:51] troubles. a god who only exists in the [49:53] minds of idolattors like in the n is not [49:57] Christianity. The god they're presenting [49:59] is not god as he's presented in [50:00] scripture. Therefore, it's an idol. [50:05] That's the first and second reaction. [50:06] People either leave or they double down [50:08] and go nuts trying to continue chasing [50:11] hanging on these promises and in 2015 [50:13] the angels are coming and all that stuff [50:16] just year after year hearing the same [50:17] stuff. But the last group, and if you're [50:20] watching this, that that probably [50:22] includes you, the last group takes a [50:24] step back and evaluates things with [50:26] critical thinking, [50:28] logic, common sense at the very least, [50:31] and starts asking questions, maybe to [50:34] themselves at first, maybe to a trusted [50:36] friend, maybe even to leaders or some a [50:38] mentor that they have in the church. [50:40] This group, this third group that's [50:42] having their eyes open and starts to ask [50:44] questions. Honestly, we're not trying to [50:46] tear down [50:48] God or or his word. You can't. So, [50:50] there's no harm in that. There's no harm [50:52] in asking questions. But this group here [50:55] doesn't leave the faith. [50:58] They know enough about the basics to [50:59] know that they've had a real change of [51:01] life. They're on a different pattern [51:03] now. They weren't just seeking only the [51:05] goodies. They were genuinely seeking God [51:07] and they've been regenerated. And and [51:09] they usually are the ones that have [51:11] their their eyes open or at least [51:12] they're being drawn by the spirit at [51:13] that point. Their eyes are starting to [51:16] open. They might ask leadership what [51:18] went wrong, but trying harder won't fool [51:21] them again. [51:23] And leaders seem to know it because they [51:25] start to you turn into a pariah when [51:27] you're asking the wrong questions or or [51:29] asking the right questions the wrong [51:31] way. [51:32] But people in this third group, they've [51:34] been hurt deep enough. They've been hurt [51:36] deep enough or often enough. They've [51:38] seen so many people fall away, maybe [51:40] even people in their own family, that [51:42] they start to wonder if maybe something [51:44] might be wrong with what they've been [51:45] being taught. [51:48] And they'd be right [51:51] because God doesn't promise that all our [51:53] troubles will be gone. [51:55] In John 16:33, [51:58] Jesus said, "I've said these things to [52:00] you that in me you may have peace. In [52:03] the world you'll have tribulation, but [52:04] take heart, I have overcome the world." [52:06] He said in the world, you'll have [52:08] tribulation. You'll have trouble. You'll [52:10] have testing. [52:12] You'll have pain. You'll have suffering. [52:14] You'll have loss. You'll have grief. [52:16] You'll have things not go your way. [52:19] You'll you'll be targeted even [52:21] sometimes. God doesn't promise to take [52:23] any of that away. He just promises that [52:25] he'll be with us and that he's overcome [52:26] the world. And we're in Christ. We [52:28] overcome, too. This is just a short in [52:31] an eternal perspective. What our time on [52:33] earth is just a blip. [52:36] But in this time, we have to use it very [52:38] wisely to glorify God. Because then in [52:40] the end, in eternity, when we're before [52:42] the throne of God, when we're casting [52:45] our crowns down before the feet of God, [52:47] those rewards we get for all the times [52:49] we've glorified God. And we glorify God [52:51] not with a big ministry, just in obeying [52:53] him. Those those basic truths that I [52:56] listed earlier, [52:58] do that and you're building up treasure [53:00] in heaven. Share the gospel, right? [53:03] present a true God, not this genie God, [53:05] but a real the real God as he is. Those [53:08] are the things that God's looking at. [53:09] And that accumulates reward, then we'll [53:12] have a whole lot to show God for his [53:14] investment. [53:16] But we're going to have to endure some [53:17] trouble here. There is no magic [53:19] breakthrough keys or anointings that we [53:22] can get that will cause us to leaprog [53:24] all the trouble that we're going to [53:25] have. Jesus said we'd have it. So, let's [53:28] take him at his word and understand that [53:30] that he's with us. [53:32] But not only that, God doesn't make us [53:34] work harder. [53:36] He calls us to trust and obey. And in [53:41] that, there's not a lot of work. There's [53:43] actually a lot of rest. Now, will we be [53:44] busy for God? Better believe it. We're [53:47] not saved by our good works, but we're [53:49] saved to good works. [53:51] Okay? So, we're doing a lot of work, but [53:53] when we're doing it out of a spirit of [53:55] gratitude, it's a lot different than [53:57] when I'm doing it hoping to build up the [53:59] faith. for doing it in a transactional [54:02] relationship between me and God. If I do [54:04] this, God, you'll do that. No, there's [54:05] none of that in the kingdom of God. [54:07] Matthew 11:28, Jesus says, "Come to me [54:10] all who labor and are heavy laden, and I [54:12] will give you rest." That doesn't sound [54:14] like I will make you go to more [54:15] services. [54:17] Doesn't sound like I'll keep you busy [54:19] four out of five week nights doing [54:22] church stuff and then multiple services [54:23] over the weekends. It doesn't sound like [54:25] that. Hebrews talks a whole lot about [54:27] rest. If you want to know about rest or [54:29] the fact that Christ is our Sabbath, [54:31] he's who we rest in. He's the one that [54:34] satisfied God by all the works of the [54:36] law, we can't. So, we need his credited [54:41] perfection in my account. So, it's as if [54:44] I've never sinned, but it's not only [54:46] that. It's as if I've not only never [54:48] sinned, but as I as if I've completed [54:50] the law of God. I've lived the law of [54:52] God perfectly. That's what justification [54:55] all entails. And so Hebrews talks about [54:58] that resting. We're able to rest in [55:00] Christ. The works done. Now it's just [55:03] works of gratitude, works of thanks, [55:05] works to glorify God, but not to get [55:08] things from God. That would that would [55:10] look a lot more like Pharisees who are [55:12] working to earn God's favor. We don't [55:14] want to do that. God isn't also he's not [55:17] depending on us. He's not depending on [55:18] you whatsoever to give him legal [55:21] authority to do anything. He doesn't [55:23] need legal authority. He's the sovereign [55:25] over all creation. Psalm 115:3 [55:28] says, "Our God is in the heavens. He [55:30] does all that he pleases." [55:33] That actually sounds almost casual. "Our [55:36] God is in," it doesn't say like, "Our [55:37] holy and righteous father decrees [55:41] commands from his heavenly throne." That [55:43] would sound a lot more like legal. No, [55:47] our God's in the heavens. He does all [55:49] that he pleases, whatever he wants, [55:51] whenever he wants. Satan can't stop him. [55:54] I can't stop him. You can't stop him. [55:57] Even sometimes I've found in my life [55:59] that I'm working in the opposite way. [56:03] Yet, we have a God that's sovereign over [56:05] all things and providentially works [56:06] within our even our mistakes to [56:09] accomplish his will, [56:12] his glory, his good, and our good [56:14] ultimately to all those that are called [56:17] according to his purpose. He He works [56:19] good. But he does that despite our bad [56:23] mistakes. That's pretty cool. [56:26] He doesn't let the enemy overrule him. [56:28] He doesn't let the enemy outclass him or [56:31] or sneak by him because we accidentally [56:33] opened a portal. You know, first Peter, [56:36] this one gets quoted a lot because [56:38] roaring lion. But let me read the whole [56:40] verse. First or the whole two actually. [56:42] 1 Peter 5:9. [56:45] Be sober minded. Be watchful. Your [56:47] adversary the devil prowls around like a [56:48] roaring lion. seeking someone to re to [56:51] devour. We we know that. Resist him. [56:55] Firm in your faith. You have to have a [56:57] foundation if you're going to be firm in [56:58] any faith. Somebody's stories about what [57:00] God did in a third world country. That's [57:02] not going to build your faith. They [57:04] think it excites us and it gets us to [57:06] listen to them longer and and keep [57:08] following their directions, but that's [57:10] not going to give us a firm foundation [57:12] to stand on. Says, "Be firm in your [57:14] faith knowing that the same kinds of [57:15] suffering are being experienced by your [57:17] brotherhood throughout the world." Whoa. [57:20] Wait a minute. [57:23] In Christianity, there's a pretty deep [57:25] theological truth here. [57:28] This theology of suffering, God gives us [57:31] what we need and and shapes us during [57:34] suffering. We actually need that because [57:36] that's what keeps us close to God. [57:37] Otherwise, if we never had suffering, [57:38] we'd think we can just handle it all on [57:40] our own. What do we need God for? He [57:42] reminds us as a good father to us that [57:44] we can't stray too far. We need him. We [57:47] really can't do things in our own [57:49] ability. Yeah, there's things we can do, [57:51] but not with purpose, not eternal [57:53] purpose, and not with the peace and joy [57:55] that comes with just trusting God as we [57:56] go through step by step. We're we're not [57:59] worried as Christians about what's [58:00] happening next month, next year. We're [58:02] constantly warned against that. We are [58:05] taught to pray by Jesus for today. Let's [58:07] just worry about today. James 4:7 [58:11] says, "Submit yourselves therefore to [58:13] God. Resist the devil and he'll flee [58:14] from you." So, forget about opening [58:16] portals. All I have to do is submit [58:18] myself therefore to God by obeying the [58:20] basic commands that he's taught all of [58:22] us to do. And you specifically, if [58:24] you're a husband or a wife or a kid or a [58:26] worker, look at those. Learn how to live [58:30] that way. Submit yourself to God in [58:31] those. Act accordingly. Learn to love, [58:33] which is a choice, not a feeling. [58:36] If you obey God in those ways, resist [58:39] the enemy. I get a temptation. [58:42] Don't Don't go with it. Resist. Resist. [58:45] No, I'm not going to do that. Maybe [58:47] you're addicted to porn. Close the [58:48] phone. Throw the phone away if you need [58:50] to. You might have to do something [58:51] drastic, but resist the enemy. And the [58:53] Bible says that he will flee from us. [58:56] That temptation won't last forever, but [58:58] we have to sometimes outlast it. I tell [59:01] our church all the time, when it comes [59:02] to sin and temptation, if somebody was [59:04] going to throw you in a car, you walk [59:06] out to the parking lot and somebody's [59:08] out there and they they try to tie you [59:09] up and push you into a trunk of a car, [59:11] what would you do? [59:12] You would kick and bite and bite and [59:15] spit and scream and roll and twist. You [59:17] would do anything you can to get loose [59:19] because you know that if you go into [59:20] that trunk, you're probably not coming [59:21] out alive. And if you do, it's not going [59:23] to mean anything good. Well, sin is [59:25] doing the same thing. The enemy is [59:26] wanting to cap capture us. But we've [59:29] been freed. So when we're in temptation, [59:31] fight like your life depends on it. And [59:34] you will overcome. That's a promise from [59:36] God. That's a real promise that you'll [59:38] really see come to fruition. [59:42] The big problem with this movement and [59:44] they ar hypercharismatic and and any [59:46] false Christian movement, any of the [59:48] cults, is that false teachers pray on [59:50] vulnerable people. And that's where they [59:53] get us like addicts, like sick people, [59:56] like poor people. They're promising us [59:58] relief from what's hurting us. And [60:01] relief always appeals to people that [60:02] have big problems, especially big [60:05] problems that don't have easy solutions. [60:06] If you've been to rehab three times, it [60:08] sure would be nice to just be rid of [60:10] this thing. I I remember the desperation [60:12] that I went through and the NR thrives [60:14] on big promises. [60:17] So, people that need big promises fall [60:19] right in. [60:21] This isn't a new phenomenon. False [60:24] teachers have been taking advantage of [60:27] the people of God since the very [60:29] beginning of the church. They It's [60:31] pretty well documented, especially since [60:33] the 19th century. [60:36] The charlatans, [60:38] John G. Lake, [60:40] uh, Charles Pum, [60:43] you you can just go down the list and [60:44] you see the same things that we're [60:45] seeing in the N today back then. [60:49] Big promises that excite people enough [60:52] to start entire movements sometimes and [60:54] in the end they fail to deliver on these [60:56] promises. [61:01] For all this promise, how much is truly [61:03] realized? You need to ask yourself if [61:04] you're hanging on this long but you [61:06] still believe in all the signs, wonders, [61:07] all the I'm not saying God doesn't heal. [61:09] I'm just saying like what Bethl pre [61:10] preaches that everybody should be doing [61:12] this all the time that these signs will [61:14] follow those that believe in the [61:16] disputed passage in Mark 16 [61:19] for all the things you've been promised [61:21] year after year every New Year's Day [61:23] service. Every time an evangelist or a [61:25] prophet's come to your church and [61:26] pointed you out. Every time a brother or [61:28] sister in Christ has pulled you aside to [61:30] give you something the Holy Spirit told [61:31] them. Every time that revival's almost [61:34] here, the breakthrough's here, the [61:35] anointing's here, every time you've had [61:36] something imparted to you, [61:40] how much of that has been truly [61:41] realized? And you can rationalize and [61:44] believe because I did too. I believe [61:45] that there was certain ways you could [61:47] view these things that no, they did in [61:48] fact happen. But how often are we forced [61:50] to do that [61:52] despite all the effort we've been [61:54] putting out? This stuff should come easy [61:55] at this point. It does for the leaders. [61:58] But also, you need to ask yourself, how [62:00] often is disappointment a reality? How [62:02] often do you have to rationalize? [62:05] How tired are you from chasing and [62:08] hoping? [62:09] We're almost there. If we could just [62:11] keep the momentum, I'm on the verge of a [62:14] breakthrough. We're excited only to see [62:16] that momentum that we've been building [62:18] begin to slow back down. [62:22] The worship service excitement was [62:24] really good for a few weeks and now it's [62:25] starting to die back down and we have to [62:26] get it again. How many times do we need [62:29] to feel as if we've failed God because [62:30] we didn't get what we were asking for or [62:32] we didn't get the what we've been told [62:34] we were going to get by one of these [62:35] prophets. How many false starts have you [62:38] had? [62:40] How many times you felt like you were [62:41] starting all the way over? How many [62:42] times you've been almost there? How many [62:45] promises that this is the year? [62:49] How many personal prophecies fall apart [62:51] and then you have to get back to [62:52] rationalizing it again? [62:55] But they really did happen if you see it [62:56] like this. How long will you stay [62:58] enslaved before you open up your eyes? [63:00] That's the real question. Because the [63:02] N's God is a powerless God. [63:07] A broken clock is right twice a day. So [63:10] people can always claim that, well, I [63:11] told a prophecy to this person. See, but [63:14] there have been just way too many [63:19] fall flat on your face failures [63:22] from these [63:24] signs and wonders and AR guys and gals. [63:29] And if we're going to have any hope of [63:33] living any kind of peace, any kind of [63:35] joy, any kind of satisfaction and [63:37] fulfillment in our life, you're going to [63:38] have to return to biblical Christianity [63:39] where you don't have to chase. Biblical [63:41] Christianity where you can actually [63:43] rest. Biblical Christianity where you're [63:45] investing in people in the relationships [63:47] because you're living them God's way. [63:49] And these are lasting relationships [63:51] where we don't have problems. If you [63:52] look at the state of the church, the [63:53] divorce rate in the church, the amount [63:55] of kids that leave each generation, [63:57] something's wrong. [63:59] And what's wrong is not biblical [64:01] scholarship or teaching people how to [64:03] read the Bible or Bible studies or [64:07] old-fashioned hymns or fellowship with [64:10] other people in a in a a local assembly. [64:13] That's not what's wrong with the church. [64:15] What's wrong with the church is we're [64:18] being offered a powerless God. A God who [64:21] has not accomplished all these things [64:24] that these stories would have us believe [64:26] and and a God that looks radically [64:28] different in the N than he does in his [64:30] in his own word. [64:33] We have to return to the truth. It seems [64:35] like a boring much more calm, but it it [64:38] it's boring in a good way. you don't [64:40] work yourself to death. And there's a [64:42] lot of satisfaction at the end of the [64:43] day knowing that I pleased God. Even [64:45] though if I didn't speak to thousands, [64:46] even if I didn't have an international [64:48] ministry, I pleased God because I loved [64:50] my wife the way I'm supposed to. I [64:51] apologize for something stupid I said [64:53] and I owned it. I didn't excuse it. I [64:55] just owned it. That glorifies God. I [64:59] spent a little bit of time with my kids [65:00] today. I encouraged them. I maybe even [65:03] taught them a little something about who [65:04] God is. Man, that glorifies God. That's [65:07] big ministry. N would have us believe [65:10] that's just okay. Yeah, that's fine. But [65:12] but what we really want is the the [65:15] billion soul harvest. [65:17] God can handle all that. God can handle [65:20] when revival comes. God can handle [65:21] whenever he wants to heal. We can ask [65:23] him, but we're not going to be able to [65:25] do things to make him. And that's the [65:27] case in a lot of the N teaching. It it [65:31] sounds like a really big powerful God, [65:33] but if you really look closely at what [65:35] they're teaching, it all depends on you. [65:37] That's not the God we serve. The God we [65:40] serve offers freely out of his riches, [65:43] grace upon grace upon grace, [65:45] forgiveness, mercy, strength, peace, [65:48] joy, contentment, fulfillment, [65:53] comfort, companionship, community. It's [65:56] all there. It's in the boring looking at [65:59] first biblical Christianity, but it's [66:02] really rewarding. My wife and I were [66:04] talking not too long ago about I get my [66:07] time messed up. Had a couple of years [66:10] there where it's really hazy and so just [66:12] kind of throwing everything from there [66:13] there on out. In fact, I lost a whole [66:15] year one time. I thought I was turning [66:18] one age and I was actually turning the [66:20] year older and I panicked for a minute. [66:22] But uh but we were talking about how [66:24] long this has been. And as I look back [66:26] over this time that I've really served [66:28] the Lord, not chasing like I used to [66:30] with all this, but when I've really [66:32] found my place [66:35] just before God, living a very simple [66:38] existence, man, there's been more [66:40] fulfillment in this than ever because [66:42] I've got time to notice what he's doing. [66:43] I got time to to spend with him that I [66:46] enjoy. It's not that I'm trying to fill [66:50] my entire day reading out of the Bible [66:52] or soaking. I'm just as I go, aware that [66:55] God's with me, talking to him as I go, [66:58] representing him every chance I get. And [67:00] as you look back from that, I don't see [67:03] years and years of regret, of missed [67:05] opportunity, of times that I blew it or [67:07] opened the wrong portal. What I see is [67:10] God staying true to his word and doing [67:13] everything that he said he would in his [67:15] word in me. He's growing me up. It's [67:18] been hard. Sometimes I would rather have [67:19] gotten out of things, but he's made me [67:21] walk through them. I've come out [67:22] stronger because of it. And I'm just one [67:24] little story. There are thousands and [67:27] thousands of people, millions of [67:28] Christians since the beginning that it [67:31] could have the same story. And because [67:33] of what God is doing in us [67:35] foundationally in these small ways, then [67:37] when we do get to the big stuff, whether [67:39] God decides to deliver us from it or [67:42] carry us through it, it won't make a [67:44] difference to the person because we're [67:46] equipped to handle it. And that's what [67:48] God wants for us. He doesn't need us to [67:50] hit home runs. He just wants us to get [67:51] the bat on the ball. And the N's false [67:54] god demands an awful lot from you and [67:56] doesn't give you a whole lot in return. [67:58] The God of the universe, Yahweh, the [68:00] sovereign God who sent his son to die [68:01] for you, freely gives all that he has to [68:05] his own children. And [68:08] he just asked for our trust and [68:10] obedience in return. I can do that. You [68:12] can do that. So, let's get doing that. [68:15] And uh if you liked what I had to say, [68:18] please like, share, subscribe, tell me [68:20] your story about how you got out. My [68:22] wife and I look at these comments and I [68:24] got to say, man, they are just amazing [68:26] to read. The stories of people waking up [68:28] and coming out. God's doing a real work [68:30] right now. And it might not be a billion [68:32] soul harvest, but he sure is waking up a [68:34] lot of people and open up a lot of eyes. [68:36] If you didn't like what I had to say, I [68:39] thank you for watching this long. And I [68:40] hope that I put a pebble in your shoe [68:42] that when you do hit the wall and become [68:44] one of those three categories that [68:46] you'll be the third that sits back, [68:48] steps back, evaluates things with the [68:51] brain that God gave you and comes to the [68:53] same conclusion that I have and that [68:55] many other Christians are. The God you [68:57] are presented is not the God of the [68:59] scripture, but the God of scripture will [69:01] surpass any of your wildest dreams about [69:03] who he is. So, hope you'll come back and [69:08] join me again next time. I thank you for [69:09] spending a little bit of time with me [69:10] this this week and see you again soon. [69:13] Later.  📄 **Full text:** ![[Full Document Contents/Articles/The NAR Trap Exposing Their Powerless God|The NAR Trap: Exposing Their Powerless God, YouTube]] ## Highlights - for all the amazing things that the N and prophetic and signs and wonders and charismatic movement all say that God does all the time on a routine basis that every Christian should be experiencing all day every day. It sure is funny that so many people leave this movement disappointed. Either we have a really powerful God that does amazing things just not for little people like us or the N in fact if you sit back and look at it has a powerless God. And that's what I'm going to be talking about on this episode of the podcast. So stick with me. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm48bzj0977zp0y4zd2qj)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - many times have you been told those things? Let's check another one because this happens all the time. It happens year in and year out. Oh, there's a I must have watched that one. Look at that. Let's let's listen to Patricia King. >> Well, hello everyone. We are at the brink of a brand new year. In fact, as this uh particular message goes out, we're we're just at the point of engaging stepping over into 2015. >> And the Lord has given me a number of different insights for the year, prophetic insights, but I want to give you five because sometimes if we understand the Lord's purpose and his ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm49fzd7zdtt2fzvbmdgx)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - about disillusionment. You get tired because you're hearing these kind of things, an angelic outpourings. This is the year of breakthrough. The breaker anointing's coming. But you still keep pushing. You still keep trying to prove yourself. You ste still keep pressing in all the buzzwords in the hopes that God is going to move and that God is going to honor what he's been saying through the prophets. He's going to change my situation. The prodigals are going to come home. The wealth transfer is going to happen. My bank account won't be empty forever if I ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm4e391bdyad4jag1c7cb)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - just keep pushing. I'll get my healing. I'll get my miracle. My grandma is going to get her miracle or I'm going to get this new revelation. I I know God's called me to ministry, but I don't really know what. I just need one more revelation from God. And that's going to change everything in my life. That's what they're promising us. an experience, a oneshot big event in our life. If we just keep doing these things that they keep having us do, we'll get the key to breakthrough. We want that. We're searching for it. We ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm4g1gs4tkze8bnq4reek)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - try harder. We pray longer. We sing louder. We worship more freely, more demonstrative. We're doing all we can, hoping to see God do something amazing. Whether it's in the service, in our lives, anywhere. We just want to see something. We want to see some kind of manifestation. Just like we keep bringing we keep being told that he does this all day every day by the N leaders. We want to see some of that too. We want to get in on that because they're coming in with all these ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm4nfc286k5md4sh83qhp)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - especially the more the speaker looks convinced, the easier it is for us to be convinced. We eat it up. But then when it's our turn, when we need a miracle, when it's our own faith that's in crisis because we haven't had any of these things happen yet, life's problems get a little bit too big. It's easy to think it's going to happen while we're sitting there or having our worship experience or hearing the story. We're all excited. So, we go to the God when we're in ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm4zfgsymey8j4rh5j5c8)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - raised in this don't typically stay because they're able to see it. They're not so desperate yet for these miracles. They just see it on its face. And a lot of times they don't question it until the point when they do, and they start seeing inconsistencies. They see, like I did, that some of the most demonstrative prayer warriors and praisers had home lives that were complete mess. They see the people that are struggling with ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm58900yhmz9zqvg4j1pp)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - scripture. Therefore, it's an idol. That's the first and second reaction. People either leave or they double down and go nuts trying to continue chasing hanging on these promises and in 2015 the angels are coming and all that stuff just year after year hearing the same stuff. But the last group, and if you're watching this, that that probably includes you, the last group takes a step back and evaluates things with critical thinking, logic, common sense at the very least, ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm5pqdjrbs5ypy3s5k7fh)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - in his own word. We have to return to the truth. It seems like a boring much more calm, but it it it's boring in a good way. you don't work yourself to death. And there's a lot of satisfaction at the end of the day knowing that I pleased God. Even though if I didn't speak to thousands, even if I didn't have an international ministry, I pleased God because I loved my wife the way I'm supposed to. I apologize for something stupid I said and I owned it. I didn't excuse it. I just owned it. That glorifies God. I spent a little bit of time with my kids ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm6cb8n7290kv2783613w)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted - right now. And it might not be a billion soul harvest, but he sure is waking up a lot of people and open up a lot of eyes. If you didn't like what I had to say, I thank you for watching this long. And I hope that I put a pebble in your shoe that when you do hit the wall and become one of those three categories that you'll be the third that sits back, steps back, evaluates things with the brain that God gave you and comes to the same conclusion that I have and that many other Christians are. The God you are presented is not the God of the scripture, but the God of scripture will ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01knwvm744cad7vqrzd2v8jw0h)) - Tags: 👻 ai highlighted