When Christian Words Become Incantations  🔗 **Source:** [When Christian Words Become Incantations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbH6_GLvrVY) 📄 **Full text:** [[Full Document Contents/Articles/When Christian Words Become Incantations.md|When Christian Words Become Incantations by John and Chino (Leaving the Message)]] ## Highlights - [00:00:00] You talk about these, um, words that you can't say, you know, then we have these words that you must say, which are almost couched in the form of of an incantation or a chant, you know. They didn't believe in curses, but they do believe in incantations. And I and, you know, I am in I love and we all all Christians love the blood of Jesus. It is his sacrifice on Calvary, which has redeemed us and saved us and purified us and cleansed us, but to use that, to take that out of an atonement context, which is where it's always [00:00:42] found in the New Testament, and then put it in the context of well, I'm trying to cast out a demon, so I'm going to plead the blood against that demon. Or this this, um, accident is about ready to occur, so I'm going to plead the blood against that to try to get it to stop. That to me is some kind of magical incantation that just doesn't have any foundation in the New Testament. So, it was these inconsistencies that really gave me a lot of problems. >> Yeah, after I left the message, it really bothered me the way that we looked at the words that were spoken and we were taught that the words had power. And I'm certain that Hobart Freeman got ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01m4495f6xp5zb1qz0ye3kcz89)) - Note: [H1] Pleading the blood outside atonement works as incantation - Tags: atom/literature/h1 - [00:01:24] this from William Branham, but not even just Branham, the Latter Rain movement had this phrase called the spoken word. >> Yeah. >> It was given power. It became word of faith, you know, if you know the history. It transitioned into the word of faith, but these guys [clears throat] believed in incantations. And worse, they were teaching the people that incantations was a holy Christian thing. And after I separated from the movement and started studying everything, I realized that that's not what the good guys do in Bible. That came from the other side. And uh So [clears throat] then I began to think about just my way of thinking. Because I I did this. You'd go into an office [00:02:08] building and you get into some presentation, you're trying to convince the people of whatever it is that you're trying to show them in a in a in a project or whatever. >> [clears throat] >> Well, you would I would say things and say it in such a way that I was like commanding them. You will accept this. You know, and I I was doing it very subtly so nobody really could tell what I was doing, but I was doing incantations. And I was doing this because this is how we were taught. If you speak it, it will come to pass. Branham had this whole theme called speak to the rock. >> [laughter] >> And people would go and I I [clears throat] remember speak I actually literally speaking to rocks. I was trying to >> [laughter] ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01m4495hs86h88dtmab3120rg4)) - Note: [H2] Spoken-word teaching carries into secular speech habits - Tags: atom/literature/h2 - [00:02:50] >> As a kid, you do you do all kinds of crazy things. I remember One time I tried to speak my keys into existence whenever I lost them. And it doesn't work, man. It's It's not as powerful as you think. But we lived in a fantasy world where you tried to do these things because that's what they taught you. And they taught you that it was a Christian thing. Once you understand the concepts of the Bible of what the prophets of Bale and all of the all of the occult I guess it wasn't occult back then. It was the other cults of different pagan religions. When you realize that their practices were what Israel was separating themselves from and that it was an abomination to do [00:03:32] those practices. Then suddenly you realize, wait a minute. I I was in the wrong religion, man. This Can I even call it Christianity? And for me I just [clears throat] there's no way I can call it Christianity when you're pretending that you're a sorcerer, it can't be Christianity. >> Yeah, I said to someone just this past weekend, John, to remind them, and it was an ex-minister from Faith Assembly who has a real humble approach to everything now, which I really appreciate. But, I said, "Brother, what you got to remember is that every heresy, every error, every false doctrine which has ever been taught is based on the scriptures. Every single one. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01m4495m7dnqx7hq7g8fakbger)) - Note: [H3] Every false doctrine is built on quoted scripture - Tags: atom/literature/h3 - [00:04:14] It is based on a verse somewhere. So, you have to do more than quote verses, and that's what Hobart was all about. He was a proof-texting preacher. As long as you had a verse that said something along that line, you just hop, skip, and jump, and you scissors and paste, and needle and thread, cut everything up, stapled it, sewed it, glued it all back together, and, you know, but you don't know the context. They would talk about, "Well, the way to get faith is by hearing the word. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17. That later came to mean the more you would listen to Hobart's tapes, the more faith you could get. But, that's [00:04:58] not the context. You don't get more faith by the longer you sit and listen to someone preach, then um in quantity, your faith grows greater. That's not the context at all of Romans 10:17. So, because you have a verse that says something that you think is the right doctrine, you doesn't mean anything. As I said, there aren't any false doctrines or errors or heresies that are not based on scripture. It's the same as Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. What Satan brought to him was scripture. But, you can bring a verse, and it's out of its context, or it is misapplied, or it is contrary to other parts of ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01m4495qfvn06rkhbzm2em1wve)) - Note: [H4] Romans 10:17 doesn't mean more listening, more faith - Tags: atom/literature/h3 - [00:07:12] the two in their minds. It doesn't matter if you want to have all of these rules, but imposing them on somebody else and telling them that it's Christianity is wrong because [clears throat] you're putting them under bondage that they don't need to be. You know, people like to live a holy life and there are some of the rules that are good. I'll say, you know, I won't go as far as saying diaper is evil, but if diaper were to offend somebody, say another culture comes over I mentioned I work with other cultures. Maybe that's offensive to that culture. Well, it might be wrong for me to use that word. But, I have the critical analysis the power to critically think enough to [00:07:54] know am I saying something that is offending them? Well, let's don't do that again because it offends them. >> [music] [music] ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01m4495taryd2v3074541223gj)) - Note: [H5] Imposing personal rules as Christianity is wrong - Tags: atom/literature/h3