CHAOSS Weekly Community Call, April 7 2026 ![rw-book-cover](https://img.youtube.com/vi/tlcanvZfQ40/maxresdefault.jpg) 🔗 **Source:** [CHAOSS Weekly Community Call, April 7 2026](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcanvZfQ40) Okay, great. Um, hi everyone. Um, I am on low bandwidth today, so I wouldn't be I'll be showing my face. Sorry about that. But yes, u welcome to the chaos weekly community call. Um, if you're new here, please note that um, interactions is under the chaos code of conduct. So be kind and respectful when you interact with others. Um we have a question for today. Um put down your name if you want and let us know how you spend the holiday. Yeah. Okay. So so the first thing on the agenda, so this one is from last week. Um I know someone had a question around um if there is a date yet for candidates to share their candidacies. So and Elizabeth wanted to check in on that. Um it is I didn't know if you got um >> um get >> Yeah, I can I can answer that. So um the election officers, myself, Emma and Ally. Okay. From uh the K Native community, we um met on Thursday. We were not certain if the election would need to be temporarily put on hold just until you know things kind of get resolved uh with recent events. Um so I reached out to the board and the general sentiment was go ahead with elections as planned. Um we are running a little bit behind. Uh so my um we just need to adjust the timeline. I would say the the original timeline was April 15th to open start opening the nominations and um election uh uh nominations, yeah, I guess would be a better word to say it. Um but so that's going to probably be pushed back maybe one or two weeks. Uh there's a few things we need to just a few minor details we need to um tie up but um yeah so I would say in the next probably one to two weeks we'll be opening that. Um we are in the process of working on guides that will have screenshots and everything in there and exactly what you need to do if you want to be a voter and also exactly what you need to do if you want to be a candidate. So that's also in progress. So we just need to finish that up. type a few loose ends um that were hanging out there um and then we can successfully open the uh the candidacy. Um yeah, so if anybody has questions on that um I'm happy to answer what I can. There's also a Slack channel too where you can answer or ask questions as well. >> Yeah. Um I'm trying to see if there's if you put that in the previous meeting not Oh yeah. Um >> yeah, it's that election help channel. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Election help channel. Okay, great. So um yeah, anyone has questions for Elizabeth. Also, if I can just ask for your help in spreading the word about um you know, making sure that folks who are not not contributing with PRs to add their name to the using that issue in the community repo. Um if everybody can just kind of help us spread the word on that, that would be great. And it will take um we pulled act uh activity from the past year. I think I might have misspoke last week on that. it's the past year that someone has to be active in order to be eligible to run as a candidate or vote. So, if you are one of those folks um and you have not submitted anything in that way in the past year, then you'll need to do so. >> Great. Um whoever is adding that to the to the dock, thank you. Um all right, good. any any questions or okay great um so yeah the next is um the proposal to move away from WordPress um adren you brought this up the last time I was wondering if like there is any update or totally fine if we have to skip it um >> I haven't done a ton with it last since last week. I think I lightly was investigating um trying to just get some demo maybe a demo going with with decap. Um I hope I didn't accidentally spam any of the other owners of to chaos GitHub or anything with with potentially scary looking like access has been granted to things. I think I I was trying to see if I could add permissions in a very granular way and I thought it would give me more options when I click the button instead of just doing it. So, I ended up I'm I'm just going to build it per I'm going to see if I get time, which is highly unlikely soon. Um, I'll probably see if I can just build a demo just on my like personal GitHub just to kind of see can we can we get the static site generator that we were talking about kind of working and just see if there's any way we can get a proof of concept up just so that people have something tangible to look at and like hey can we play with this and see what people think. Um, I'm still I think the the the main point of of bringing that up was mostly just kind of seeking community involvement um and seeking contributors on that because I don't know if I have time to single-handedly like rewrite or re rework the chaos website. Um, but I think the and I think there's a couple items I added to the agenda a little bit below for this week that that I think tie into that now >> in terms of just generally talking about community infrastructure. I don't know if that's if people have still questions about the website or if we want to include those as well. >> Yeah. Like I mean you can go on and talk about those. Um assume you're the one that put them here. The commit infrastructure, right? >> Yeah. And and the Zulip thing. I I just I noticed um I think it was Elizabeth's announcement about on Slack the other day as far as like hey, we're dropping to the Slack free tier like message history is going to be limited to 90 days and things. Um, I was just kind of throwing around ideas for how like could like would the community be interested in moving to something like a Zulip or another sort of more open- source alternative that maybe gives us more options to self-host or something like that. Um, and along along with the kind of thoughts about self-hosting and things, um, I I figured it might be interesting to potentially look at like could we create uh maybe like a community infrastructure fund or something some kind of like cuz I know um there's other organizations I'm in that that use Open Collective and they've they've been able to do sort of sub initiatives like in terms of like making like a fundraising pool essentially like hey we're holding this this community dinner like the community is paying for the dinner contribute suggested amount to this like as alongside your RSVP um kind of thing. So I almost wonder if we could do something similar to that in the chaos um open collective and say hey here's an infrastructure fund like obviously try and pursue like using Zulip's uh offerings that that for open source projects that that let us use it for free but even if we're getting the infrastructure for free I think it would be still helpful to kind of start building a dedicated fund where people who like especially me members of chaos who are working full-time or deriving a lot of their income from indirect directly from their work on chaos, providing them a way to give back and support that infrastructure that often goes unsupported or un unrecognized, but it's like could be very disruptive if we like lost our Slack history or something like that. Um, so I just I was kind of throwing a lot of that out there as like, hey, maybe this could be sort of a if if we somehow in the future need to start paying for Zulip or paying to renew a domain name or something. there's there's already money there and it doesn't become an immediate panic for the community and we we have a like a few months of runway to to find new sources of of funding and things like that. So that that was just kind of the general general vibe of a lot of those suggestions kind of together because I think um there's been a lot of thoughts about community infrastructure lately. >> Yeah. Um, I'll be curious to know what what people think about what Adrian is currently sharing. >> Yeah, sure. Um I so to your point about the subf fund that is definitely something that can be set up in open collective uh for directed funding like that. We certainly could do that. Um I don't and I think I would love to see that. The only challenge I see is that right now I think our Slack I'm under the impression that our Slack is about $2,400 a month to fund, which is not a trivial amount really. Uh so that would be my only uh challenge is is would we get enough to fund the Slack? Um but to your point like if it could be used to fund other things like our domain name or um I'm not sure about Zulip how much that costs or anything. Um then yeah, I mean I think that's a great idea. >> I think my intention more with the infrastructure fund was less directly trying to to fund Slack cuz that that that is a lot more money than I thought it would be. I think I was thinking of it more in terms of like a complement like like not necessarily mandatory but like a a forwardthinking add-on to like if we if we were to step into Zulip and and utilize some donated infrastructure from them in terms of like hey we're an open source community can we utilize their their sort of free policy for getting a paid plan for free as as an open source community if we step into that like I I think just because we get that infrastructure for free doesn't mean we should necessarily treat it as free. And I think if we kind of you have bring up that fund at the same time, we could kind of have like I know I would probably personally be be willing to donate a couple dozen dollars a month or something to that. And it just use it as kind of a way that like, okay, as long as we're on Zulip, like the cost is zero, but we're still building this fund so that yeah, maybe maybe we're not able to fund raise enough to do $2,400 a month, but it's still maybe 20, 50, 100 bucks a month from several people and that can just accumulate as and we can kind of live on Zulip as long as we can, but then there's still there's there then becomes a healthy like the longer we we keep that going, the healthier fund we have so that if we do need to like buy infrastructure to self-host Zulip or increase our plan or something else, there's enough money there that it sort of it becomes more of a like what which option do we want to do? Which one's most economical rather than like crap, how do we find this money? Um, so I was just I was thinking out of it as more as like a future cushion of like even if we like let's try and step to something that is going to be cheap a lot cheaper for us than than $2,400 a month but also if we get something for free let's not treat it as free so that we can build ourselves a cushion. >> Yeah, if I understood correctly um the the open funding you're proposing would be for Zulip, right? um if we decide to like move to Julie is is that correct? Like just sustaining like the paid domain that we'll be using to like host that particular platform. >> So the the I'm I'm calling it an infrastructure fund because I don't think it would be limited to Zulip. I think there's a lot like Cali is saying in the chat, I think there's a lot more aspects of chaos that fall under infrastructure that I think could also make use of that money. I I don't want to like h get create the cushion and then immediately spend it all but like having the money there so that like hey crap this domain needs renew like our chaos community needs renewing or that's managed by LF but like if we have important things we need to run like hey maybe we want an account so we can host several different things all in one in one thing. um or whatever like whatever whatever infrastructury things come up like we can maybe vote on it as a community or something and and have the money there to support those kinds of critical project sustaining things. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean with the recent events um going on I I think um it would make sense to assume that a lot of this um this um um issues might arise in the future. would need this fund to help solve um solve them, right? Um so yeah, that makes sense. But um specifically to Julie, I I see Elizabeth mentioned that we might be able to still keep Slack um since like we are a part of LF the Lenox Foundation and um she's waiting to like hear back from um from the Leen, right? Um Elizabeth is >> Yeah. >> So um >> so we'll see what that what comes of that. Um, I had not heard about that. Um, so we'll see. We'll see if I get a response um, relatively soon. Um, yeah, that would be the best in my opinion, that would be the best case scenario that, you know, they just take care of it and then we just can use it. Um, and that's what we they do for our Zoom account for anybody who doesn't know like that that's paid for by the LF. So, it would be really great if we could also have them pay for our Slack. But um yeah, I'll definitely let you know and if I don't hear anything by tomorrow, I'll ping her again. Um and then if I still don't hear back, uh then we'll figure out what to do, I guess. >> But I think I think in general, I think this is this is a weird combination of of concerns cuz it's like I think even if we do like I I would obviously agree like if we can get LF to to adopt our Slack, that would be the best outcome because then that's sustainable into forever. Um I I think even then though I think it might still be worth maybe maybe not as immediately but eventually talking about some kind of community like funding for for like like I said Cali had other concern like other places and I think building up that cushion is just generally going to be something that's going to help like like especially just even evaluating the appetite like how many people actually do end up contributing to this before we need it, right? like and then maybe that helps us forecast like okay what what can we do with this and still kind of keep a healthy safety cushion. >> Yeah, 100% agree. >> Okay. Um I mean migrating to a new platform is definitely not going to be easy, right? Um especially with the fact that we've we've tried this in the past and it sort of like did not work. I I believe was the discourse um um some some years back. So um yeah um yeah discourse yeah >> discourse I think is it's not necessarily a chat platform I think >> in terms of technically I think my like Zulip does allow you to import from Slack and I >> I know me and several of the people with with elevated access to Slack are able to export at least public messages to import. So, I think that the biggest hurdle with that move is going to be more the social side of how do we get everyone to move along with us. And I think if if we are indeed going to be limited like if Slack if we have to drop down to the free tier of Slack and lose message history, that's a pretty strong push away from Slack um for potentially a lot of people. So, I don't I don't I definitely think if we can avoid having to move to Zulip or anything else, that's ideal. But I think if if the move is if we're kind of forced into moving or losing message history, it it's at least a slightly less high friction option. Yeah. Okay. Does anyone have any comments on this? Um any other thoughts? I I don't know what what the next step might look like. Maybe we'll wait to hear back from the LF first. Um cuz I think that's the the the infrastructure bit that we probably need to to sort out now, like right now. Then yeah, when we get to hear from them or not hear from them, don't probably like um cycle back to that conversation. Okay. Um, right. Since we're not having any comments, uh, the next one here is the chaos metrics. Um, so this one was me. I was I don't I can't remember why I, um, what I was looking through, but I noticed that there was a open demographic question cited in the in this particular metric and um, um, it's the the link is broken. It throws a four for error. Let's see. Share my screen here. I think it's somewhere here. All right. Yeah, this question here. Um, yeah. So, I was just generally thinking, so it just got me thinking about um a lot of our metrics um and the content on on the website currently. Um, and I was wondering like if people see or think that some of those texts need updating uh or need some review and um how might we go about that? Um I know there's some there's a conversation around that going on in the DI working group um around updating some of the metric specifically to the event budget but I was wondering if it's something we we want to look into um generally in the community like pretty much maintaining I think this these metrics have been created for a while now and I wonder if we've had the time to actually go back to look into them and see if um they are all still relevant, but also like um if the um yeah, if if they need updating, that makes sense. So, this this is an open conversation um to everyone. >> That link works on my machine. Those now touch. >> Yeah. Is this true for area? Could it be location 10? It might be. Um I don't know how I' I don't remember the exact name of the hosting provider that we are using for WordPress. I believe that goes through I think Shan is the primary one with access to that. I think I've heard and some other people have also access. I don't know what the policies of that provider are in terms of >> like geo restrictions or anything. Um, if I send a link to a different metric in the Zoom chat, do you want to try clicking on that to see if that also 404s? Okay. So that >> yeah like oh I okay I think you misunderstood what I said. I I meant like the the um open demographic question that was cited in the metric not like not the metric um page itself. Um >> oh the the first link within it. >> Yeah. >> Oh no. Oh, I I >> Yeah. No, I see I see the 404 now. Yeah. Okay. I was just using the wrong link. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like I was just thinking generally um if a lot of this metrics needs like do we need to go over them to really um um see if they need updating, right? If they're still relevant. Um yeah, that's taking away sound like a lot of work. Now >> I think that's worth doing. I mean it does sound like a lot of work. I think I have seen in the sort of more static site generation realm like I've seen various plugins or GitHub actions and things that can like scan your generated website for links and check to make sure they're all not for4ing and stuff and like fail your build if they're four or fours or whatever. Um, so I I potentially see that as another potential way that we could we could benefit from starting to shift over to um a more statically built website. I don't know when or how fast that's likely to actually happen, but I imagine I imagine being a like doing just sort of holistic content reviews might become >> a natural part of of that migration. As we kind of pull pages over one at a time, we can just review them as they get migrated. like, okay, this is still accurate. >> Yeah. Yeah, of course. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Like do both work at the same time. And um yeah, I don't know what what do other people think. Any thoughts on this? Okay. Um All right. Um if folks don't have any thoughts or um comments on that then um and yeah I think that's all all on the agenda today except anyone wants to talk about anything else. Okay. Um yeah, so we have a couple of reminders. Um the the first one is the we we're calling for volunteers to help facilitate the the weekly meetings like this meetings. It happens weekly every other Tuesday. So, um there's this this sheet that Elizabeth put together that you can, you know, put down your name. Um if you're open to to um contribute in in that regard, then there is a guide for how to facilitate these meetings. So, um like if you if this is your first time doing something similar, then yeah, we got you. Then, of course, the chaos board election is coming. Um as mentioned earlier, please help like um spread the word especially for people who are making contributions that don't show up on GitHub like as a PR, right? Um they should use this issue um for nonpr contributions. Um yeah. Um sorry. Okay. Then of course um new courses from the chaos education working group um if you like to take a look or also contribute to the part two of the future of open source and you can check that out by visiting the GitHub repository and um I'm asking the maintainer to assign that to you. Yeah, I guess that's how it works. Um yeah, so that's that's all for today's meeting. Was nice. Oh, hi Joy. Um yeah, that's um let me quickly refresh that link. Um yeah, okay. So this is a spreadsheet that you can add your name to um volunteer to facilitate the next um weekly meetings. So yeah, you're welcome. Okay. All right, friends. Um that's all. I will stop recording. >> Thanks everybody. Thanks for, CHAOSS Weekly Community Call, April 7 2026, YouTube, 01kp8fm8yn17gda5ncnscmx5mq.