Episode 111: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project  ## Metadata - Author: [[CHAOSS]] - Full Title: Episode 111: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project - Category: #articles - Document Note: --- tags: - #opensource - #education - #communityengagement Author: CHAOSS Project Podcast Panel Source: YouTube — Episode 111: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw date created: 2025-05-28 16:45 --- # Title: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project — Episode 111 Transcript Summary ## Table of Contents:  - 📝 Summary - 📖 Main Content - 🗒️ Notes - 📖 References - 🗣️ Paraphrase - 📰 Newsletter - ✅ Action Items - 🧪 Hypotheses - 📊 Methodology - ❓ Questions - 🔮 Future Research - 💡 Implications - 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment - 📊 Accessibility Assessment - 🌍 DEIB Assessment - ✅ Logical validity - 🔍 DARVO Analysis - 🔍 SEO Evaluation - 🎯 Conclusion ### References: - CHAOSS Project Podcast, Episode 111, “Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project,” YouTube, 2025. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw - CHAOSS Education Project official resources - Moodle Learning Platform ## 📝 Summary: This podcast episode introduces the CHAOSS Education Project, a community-driven initiative creating accessible, practical educational materials to support all levels of open source contributors within the CHAOSS community. The project provides beginner-friendly courses, CHAOSS-specific knowledge, and practitioner guides aimed at bridging knowledge gaps and easing contributor onboarding. Contributors share their experiences of learning, collaboration, and personal growth through participation, highlighting the project’s global impact and plans for sustainability. ## 📖 Main Content: The episode features key CHAOSS contributors discussing the genesis, goals, and structure of the Education Project. It launched at CHAOSS Europe 2025 to offer clear, digestible content on open source fundamentals, CHAOSS metrics, and practical contribution guidelines. Contributors share their journeys of producing scripts, videos, and course materials, emphasizing how research and collaboration deepened their own understanding of open source concepts like licensing. Discussion covers how the project evolved from initial onboarding challenges to a scalable resource hub, easing newcomer integration with a modular, accessible curriculum. Contributors explain the workflow of creating and reviewing content collaboratively, supporting each other’s strengths and learning through the process. The conversation also reflects on the enriching community dynamics that fostered diverse participation across global regions, particularly CHAOSS Africa. The team shares how the project has inspired others and plans to expand contributor support through a dedicated working group to ensure long-term sustainability and ongoing course development. Finally, the panel discusses community impact, user feedback, and plans to increase visibility, outreach, and continuous quality improvement. The episode closes with personal reflections on mentorship, learning styles in education, and the value of friendship within the open source ecosystem. ### 🗒️ Notes - [00:11 Introduction of the CHAOSS Education Project and contributors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=11s) - Don Foster introduces the project and his experience. - Panelists share their excitement and backgrounds. - [02:29 CHAOSS Education Project’s accessible resources and categories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=149s) - Beginner-friendly materials to bridge open source knowledge gaps. - Three categories: Open Source 101, CHAOSS-specific, practical guides. - [07:09 Contributor learning journeys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=429s) - Research on open source types and licensing. - Script writing and onboarding processes. - [09:29 Collaboration in course development](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=569s) - Reviewing scripts and preparing presentation materials. - Practitioner guides and open source career insights. - [13:48 Personal growth and community building](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=828s) - Diverse contributors enhance learning. - Development of project management and accommodating contributor strengths. - [16:10 Sustainability and expansion plans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=970s) - Moodle upgrade due to increased users. - Building working group, increasing contributor awareness. - [20:05 Contribution process and newcomer onboarding](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=1205s) - Scriptwriting or video recording options. - Community support and responsiveness. - [22:06 Impact on community and external contributors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=1326s) - Positive feedback and wider adoption outside CHAOSS. - Ongoing improvements and student accessibility. - [26:18 The value of friendship and mentorship](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=1578s) - Quality over quantity in friendships. - Importance of supporting contributors. - [28:14 Educators’ reflections on learning styles and assessments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw&t=1694s) - Different learning needs in classrooms. - Concerns over quiz design and student success. ## 📖 References: - CHAOSS Education Project Podcast Episode 111 (YouTube) - CHAOSS official website and documentation - Moodle Learning Management System ## 🗣️ Paraphrase:  **Original:** "The CHAOSS Education Project is all about creating accessible and practical learning resources for individuals at all stages of their open source journey." **Paraphrased:** The core mission of the CHAOSS Education Project is to develop user-friendly and useful educational materials that support people throughout every phase of their open source involvement. --- **Original:** "Contributing to the education project has been eye-opening and educational, providing an opportunity to learn about topics like open source licensing while creating resources for others." **Paraphrased:** Participation in the education initiative has offered contributors valuable learning experiences, especially around subjects such as open source licensing, while simultaneously producing helpful content for the community. ## 📰 Newsletter: 🚀 Exciting news from the open source world! The CHAOSS Education Project just launched a beginner-friendly, community-driven learning platform designed to empower contributors at every level. From foundational open source concepts to specialized CHAOSS metrics and practical guides, these courses make onboarding and upskilling easier than ever. Contributors share how creating these resources boosted their own knowledge and fostered vibrant collaboration worldwide — especially in the thriving CHAOSS Africa community. If you’re looking to deepen your open source skills or help grow inclusive learning spaces, check out their freely accessible courses and consider joining the effort! 🌍✨ [Watch Episode 111](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw) ## ✅ Action Items: - Share CHAOSS Education Project resources with WordPress contributor onboarding teams to enhance newcomer experiences. - Encourage GoDaddy and community contributors to engage with CHAOSS courses for skill-building on open source metrics and sustainability. - Promote awareness of the CHAOSS Education Project in OSPO and open source advocacy talks to foster collaboration and resource sharing. - Support efforts to build and sustain education working groups for long-term program health. - Integrate lessons on diverse learning styles and mentorship into WordPress training sessions inspired by CHAOSS approaches. - Advocate for transparent, community-driven educational projects aligned with open source inclusivity principles. ## 🧪 Hypotheses: - Structured, community-led educational projects increase new contributor retention and satisfaction. - Collaborative content creation enhances contributor learning and fosters sustained engagement. - Localization and regional involvement (e.g., CHAOSS Africa) improve global participation and diversity in open source education. ### 📊 Methodology: - Conduct s - Summary: Thank you to the folks at Sustain (https://sustainoss.org/) for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast! CHAOSScast – Episode 111 In this episode of the CHAOSScast, host Harmony leads a discussion featuring panelists Dawn Foster, Peculiar Umeh, Aishat Muhammed, and Elizabeth Barron, all of whom are involved in the CHAOSS Education Project. They discuss their roles within the CHAOSS Project and introduce the CHAOSS Education Project, which aims to create accessible learning resources for open source contributors at various experience levels. They cover the project's categories, share their personal contributions, personal growth, the impact on the community, future plans for sustainability and expansion, and how you can contribute to the project. Hit download now to hear more! [00:00:27] The panelists introduce themselves and their backgrounds. [00:02:40] Peculiar gives an overview of the CHAOSS Education Project which launched at CHAOSScon Europe 2025. [00:04:39] Dawn talks about the target audience of the project, with the primary audience being CHAOSS community newcomers. and anybody can take any of the courses. [00:06:38] Elizabeth talks about her contribution with creating an ‘Into to CHAOSS’ video and helped review and update script content. [00:07:19] Aishat shares her contribution working on content about types of open source and licensing and how research deepened her own understanding. [00:09:20] Peculiar talks about her contributions as Project Manager where she led project design, content workflow, contributor onboarding, and quality review. [00:10:57] Dawn shares her contributions with creating the ‘Practitioner Guides’ videos and other key educational content. [00:12:12] Elizabeth speaks about the impact of the project, transitioning chaotic onboarding into a structured learning tool. [00:13:38] Aishat explains her personal growth form contributing, gaining deeper understanding of licensing ... - URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMCn9AmyKw [Music] Welcome back to Chaos Cast the Chaos Community podcast where we share use cases and experiences that major opensource community health. On the panel today we have Austin, Elizabeth Baron and Aisha Muhammad. Let me begin with some introductions. Hi D. Hi, I'm Don Foster. I am the director of data science for the Chaos Project. I've been working in open source for a long time. I also have a few other roles in addition to chaos. So, I live here in the UK and I'm on the board of an organization called Open UK. I'm also co-chair for the cloudnative computing foundation contributor strategy technical advisory group and I am very excited to be here today to talk about the education project. Hi, I'm Pilia Ume and I'm open source advocate a software developer and the chaos education project manager. I'm also coher for project management in chaos and I'm excited to be here. I'm from Nigeria. Hi everyone. I'm Aishhat Muhammad. I'm from Nigeria. I'm a community manager and an open source contributor. I've been contributing to open source for two years now and I am a member of Chaos Africa. I am a contributor of the open source project and I am excited to be here. Contributing to the education opensource project has been eye opening. It has been educating and yeah, I'm just excited to be here. Thank you. Hi, I'm Elizabeth. I'm the chaos community manager. I'm super excited to be here to talk about the education project. I've been at open source a long time and I'm really excited to see this pathway into contribution. I think it's going to be extremely helpful for folks that are trying to find their way. I live here in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I am currently trying to get my MBA after 30 years of being in school. So, it's been a wild ride. Really happy to be here. Can't wait to talk more about this with you all. Yeah, I'm so excited we have new people that today is the first time on the Chaos cast. It's very exciting. My name is Harmony Alendo. I'm a project manager in the IT industry. I'm the the lead of Chaos Africa Technical Writers Focus Group. I'm a co-producer to the podcast and I am your host for today. Thank you for joining us to have the conversation about chaos educational project. Hi Picula, can you tell us about chaos educational project? A summary, a brief story about the project. The cancer education project is all about creating accessible and practical learning resources for individuals at all stages of their opensource journey from newcomers, beginners to experienced maintainers. Launched at Chaos Europe 2025, the chaos education project develops easy to understand materials which are placed into three categories. The first category is welcome to open source 101 which covers the general opensource topics and include topics like how to start a career in opensource. The second category is all about chaos. It covers everything you need to know about the chaos project and includes topics like introduction to chaos. And the third category is practitional guides. It provides you with the knowledge about chaos metrics and how to implement them in your project and includes topics like contributor sustainability security and lots more. The cur education project core mission is to help people navigate opensource projects and communities providing the knowledge and support needed to participate in those project with ease and bridge the common knowledge gap faced by those looking to contribute to open source project or communities. Thank you. Thank you so much for breaking that down especially because the chaos education project focus is more like beginner friendly. You don't need to have like a knowledge in open source to be able to like begin your journey. It's basically going to be like the one-stop place for learning in terms of open source especially if it's your first time. Let's talk about the target audience of the project. Done. Yeah. So the target audience for the chaos education project is the chaos community. So one of the things that we feel is that there are loads of resources about how to get involved in open source from lots of different organizations, the Linux Foundation, GitHub, little coding camps and things like that. And so this one is really focused on the chaos community, but we also know that a lot of people who participate in the chaos project are brand new contributors to open source. So this is why we have the section that Peculiar was just talking about where we have kind of an open source 101 so that the people who are really just getting started in open source and they're starting with the chaos project. It's their very first project. They have some additional getting started materials. But the goal is that this would be used primarily by people who are part of the chaos project. Although I do think that the resources we have are pretty great. So, we're hoping that other people are more than welcome to use some of our education resources as well. Is it just for the chaos community alone or beyond the chaos community? I mean, anybody can take any of our courses, right? So, anybody's welcome to use them. Speaking of contribution, I contributed to my chaos education project. I want to be sure everyone here actually contributors. And then what do you contribute? So, hi Elizabeth. Did you contribute to the project? I did eventually. Yeah. So, the idea was that I would record a an introduction to chaos video. It's like a five minute video, and I think it took me probably eight months to get that to be here. So, I'm so sorry. I feel awful about that, but I eventually did do it. And so, you can find it out there in the education project. So, that was my contribution is the introduction to chaos. I've also been helping with some of the scripts and just kind of giving a second pair of eyes on those, making sure that we're up to date because things change quickly, the chaos project. So, I'm happy to help in that regard as well. Thank you, Elizabeth. Aa, I just want to be sure you contributed as well. Yes, I did contribute to the chaos integration project. I mean, I contributed to the different types of opensource and also open source licensing. Yeah, it also took me time to actually record the video. It wasn't so long, but yeah, I eventually did record the video for different types of open source. It was really, how do I put it? Educating for me because I had to like do my research, find out different types of open source out there. So, it was really good to put it out there for others to also learn about them. Then for open source licensing, I also had to like do some research. And when Elizabeth said she had to like come with a second high into the script, I mean that particular aspect really helped me a lot. I was researching open source licensing for the first time. I've been contributing to open source but I didn't really know about the licensing part. Right? So it was like aides the fact that I'm contributing to help people understand what opensource licensing is. It was a process for me to actually learn new things about open source. So it was really fulfilling for me to like dig in and make research about open source licensing. So yeah, I contributed to different types of open source, recording the videos, scripting it and also opensource licensing, listing out different types of licensing that we have and how you as an open source contributor and as an open source person can actually use licenses when it comes to open source. Thank you so much Aisha. I am definitely going to learn more about open source licensing. I think that personally I need more knowledge on it but since we doing a head count please did you contribute to the project? Yes as the project manager for the curios education project I contributed to all of them that I can say so my initial contribution involved collaborating with Elizabeth Matt to design the structures and structure the project foundation. then thinking through the topics and creating guidelines and workflow for the educational material. Then I then focus on like on boarding contributors and guiding them through the three key stages in contributing to Kio education project which includes script writing in fact ensure they follow the guideline to write the script then slide deck preparation after writing the script going through process of reviewing and following through all that and once their script approved get them to prepare the slide. I deck and also pass through the process of reviewing and approval and then finally join them to record the video and editing all through. So a significant part of my work involving collaborating closely with Don Foster on the reviewing process to ensure the quality and the clarity of the contents and as well as working with Matt and various community members to incorporate their valuable perspective and reviews that was really amazing and that's my contribution. Thank you. Yeah, and as Peculiar mentioned, some of my contributions have been around providing reviews for some of the work that other people have been doing. So, providing input and suggestions for how to make the courses better as we're developing them. And then I also created the practitioner guides series so far. So, so far I've done all of those videos, although I'm hoping that as other people start to write practitioner guides, we can get some other people to do videos for those as well. And then I did the one about chaos governance because I wrote most of our governance documents or rewrote some of our governance documents. So I did that one as well. And then I did one about how to start a career in open source which I think is something that's an important topic and particularly valuable. I know I've enjoyed my long career in open source and so I'm always happy to talk about that to get other people to have careers in open source. I'm actually excited that everyone here contributed and it's very very mind-blowing. We're all contributors, right? We have contributed. I want to know how it impacted you as an individual, what do you learn while contributing? What improved? Right? So, beyond providing you know insight to other listeners or weakness. So, what did you learn as a person or as a contributor? Because I for one have my own lessons which I will share. Yeah, Elizabeth. I think the beauty of this project is it it kind of represents how open source works in general. So, we used to do these onboarding sessions to newcomers to the project and we did them once a month or so. They were like an hour long. We would just throw tons and tons of information at these poor people who were just coming to our project. And it was extremely overwhelming. It was indeed like a fire hose of information and it was not super effective. So we kind of tossed around how we could iterate on that some ideas on how we could iterate on that and peculiar really took this idea and ran with it and it grew and more people contributed more people gave feedback. It just is really exciting to see something that starts as an idea and actually gets implemented and it happens and it's helping people and it's the beauty of open source right there in this project. Anybody can contribute to this and we've had everyone from brand new folks to the community all the way to people who have been around for a while. So, it's just a really lovely thing to see and I think that makes my heart happy and that's how that's impacted me. I think it just makes my heart happy to see something actually work and come to fruition like that. It's all thanks to Peculiar. So, thank you for that. It's been great. So, for me, the chaos education project has imparted me as an individual in ways that I would say it is beneficial. Number one, knowledge wise. Before I contributed, I was in the community and I was just looking for somewhere to contribute. I know there was the technical writing for close group, but it wasn't really something I'm like very much into. So when I saw the education project I was like oh this is what I really love to do impact people but aside from that beyond impacting people it was a way for me to understand the things that I didn't know before about open so I had the opportunity to use that medium to educate myself to get more knowledge and when I got reviews from people that have been there that have been doing it before me it was a way for me to now look into the things I think was right that wasn't and it was just a way for me to kind of of skill on my open source knowledge and I was able to collaboratively work with Peculia and she actually took me through all the processes of writing script and recording and it was really like an educative journey for me. I think one of the impacts that it's had on me is I think it's been really interesting just to see the wide variety of people who have contributed to this educational program because it would be really easy to just have kind of the same old faces, the same old people who are doing a lot of the things in chaos just do, you know, a lot of the education courses. And so it's been really interesting for me to see that we've got this amazing community and a lot of community members in Chaos Africa are ones that have contributed to the education program. And so for me, like Elizabeth, it just sort of makes me happy to see that this is working so well and that we're getting contributions from all kinds of different people. And like like Aisha mentioned, like this is one of the things I love about open source is that actually creating these educational resources forces you to learn something in a more deep and more broad way. And so I think it's great to see that people are not only sharing what they know with the rest of the community, but also using it as a learning opportunity to also build out other things that that they can learn about open source and then share it with other people who can then learn from that as well. So that makes me particularly happy for me. This project has impacted me through the constant interaction with each contributors each contributor having oneonone connection. I learned more about community collaboration managing different contributors and various aspects of the project has significantly enhanced my people and project management skill. Guiding individuals through the content creation process has taught me a new level of patient and importance of accommodating each contributor's unique ability. Finally, the experience of building entire in the open, actively seeking and integrating everyone's impute has shown me the power of collective intelligence and how diverse perspective can enrich the outcome of a project. Personally, I actually learned from like the collective intelligence because you could just contribute by recording a video and somebody else has creating the script. So you're seeing things from their own perspective. I am learning from them as well. So it's very exciting and personally I got a lot of things from contributing to the chaos education project from expansion in my knowledge in open source to see people's point of view to collaborate more in open source communities. But right now I want to know what's the future of chaos education project. So we launched this project. It was a great success. We have already maxed out our number of seats in our Moodle instance because we're using the Moodle platform. It's been a great success. We had to upgrade and everything. It's been wonderful. That's a good problem to have. Right. So, I think from here we turn more towards sustainability and making this more of a long-term project that is deeply embedded in the chaos project. So, Peculiar has been doing the majority of the work here. it's kind of fallen on her shoulders alone to wrangle the cats and get everybody in line and make sure that things keep going and and get finished and launched. So, I think you can expect to see the working group built around the education project. Peculiar, I would imagine, would still want to lead that since it was her idea. So, getting her some help, getting some support in place there is a priority for us. Also continuing to expand the pool of contributors, I think reinforcing, making sure people know that this is available to them and also something they can contribute to, I think is going to be super important for us. And you know, the chaos project continues to grow. We have almost maybe even over 3,000 people now. I know we were close in our Slack. So we have 15 something working groups and we are constantly expanding and evolving and changing our focus of different projects here and there within the project itself. So there is no shortage of material to be included in the education project. So I think really it's all about sustainability, getting peculiar the help that she desperately needs so she doesn't have to be carrying this burden alone and continuing to keep up with the growing scope of chaos. So yeah, this is going to be a super exciting part of the chaos project. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it evolves. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for informing us about the future and the plans, right, for the chaos education project. I'm so very excited that these plans are actually very much sustainable and the project is not going to rely on peculiar shoulders and the community is there to not just support, the contributors are there to help as well. There's a lot to come for like the chaos education project. very excited about it. So now we have talked about the future of the project. Let's discuss more on how people can contribute to chaos education project. Hi Aisha, tell us contributing to the chaos open source project is quite easy especially for somebody that is in the community already. We have community channels, sub channels within the community and definitely you can find the education channel there. So joining the application channel is one place where you can actually get to see available issues that you can contribute to and thanks to beia sometimes you just like list out the available issues for you to contribute to and it's very easy for you to just okay I'm picking this issue and it redirects you to the GitHub repository then you comment on that issue telling her that you want to contribute. I mean, Pecula is very responsive. In the nick of time, she's there telling you what you need to do. And one thing about the chaos project, the education project, is the fact that you don't need to do everything by yourself. Pick up an issue. Either you want to write the script or record the video. You have the choice to pick one. And you can do both if you want to, right? But there are other contributors who are ready to actually do the rest if you can't do all. So yeah, I think it's very simple. First of all, if you're very new, join the chaos community, find the education sub channel, then find the link to the GitHub repository, look through the issues, pick up your issue, and comment on that particular issue that you want to contribute to. Go ahead to write your script if that is what you want to do and go ahead to make the video if that is what you want to do. But make sure you're reading the guidelines before you actually start contributing. And thank God is always there to actually like put us through. Yeah. So that's like the very easy steps for you to contribute. It's not very hard. Once you find your way into the chaos comments, you just find the educational the education project channel and you're good to go. Thank you so much Aisha. That's very very very informative and insightful and as always is there to help you. Cla's there. The community managers are there to also help you. So so far the chaos project has launched and there have been a lot of people with feedbacks and a lot of states right so tell us what have been the impact to the community to the social network to other open source contributors what have been that impact so for me the education project has already made a significant global impact within the cur community it has e is the process of on boarding newcomers We now like routinely direct new members to these resources to quickly get acquainted with everything chaos. I mean it has been seamlessly easy it does to integrate them into the community and we have also received good feedback from people who have shared how much the clarity and ease of the use of the materials. It has been particularly fulfilling to hear those comments and feedback from people because this project has helped some people help us receive a lot of people from not within the chaos but outside willing to contribute to the project. This is actually a great impact. We've received a community coming to say okay we wanted to build something like this in our community but since we've seen this happening in chaos is the same we will now channel our members to take go through these courses and we are see how they perform and this is a great one for us at chaos and we're committed also to increase the quality of the courses hoping to engage more global contributors in developing them. K project is an ongoing project. Keep watching out for new courses. We're encouraged to join us to be part of it. And is made available also for students who does not know how to everything about open source and you maybe university graduate or undergrad who really want to contribute but does not know how to navigate. So these courses are made available for you to come in, be part of it, take the courses and learn how you can navigate the opensource ecosystem. This project is really amazing and I'm so glad that is out impacting a lot of people based on the feedback. Thank you so much. That was very informative. I'm very much excited that we have not just launched the project but we have paid attention to the feedback from the community from the people actually going through the courses also very intentional about improving on not just the value that we've given which are the courses but also other things from the contributors trying to expand as much as possible. Thank you so much everyone for ensuring that we have like a very lively discussion today and it's about time for our value ads. So as your host I'm going to begin my value ads has to do with open source mentorship. So the past few weeks I've been contributing to a project under the love on conference section that's currently been this initiative is currently being prominent by aluchi and I have noticed that mentorship has been the filler of a lot of gaps both in contributors career as much as in project so I'm here saying that communities organization project and also individuals like myself and yourself should do well to be open to mentor everyone as much as possible. Be open. That's my value ads. So, I'll go next. My value ad is vacations. So, it's something I'm thinking a lot about because my partner and I are going to Thailand next week. So, we're going to spend about two weeks there and I am really looking forward to having some time to rest and relax. So, I think it's important to have that downtime, have that time off. And so I think vacations are something that's super important and they bring me a lot of joy and meaning to my life. My value ad has nothing to do with tech. Neither did Dons, but I saw this on Tik Tok and I thought it was just interesting. The idea is to acknowledge and keep an eye out for good things that happen around the course of your day. Life can get pretty overwhelming sometimes. And so the idea is to have a list of the good things that happened to me and the good things that happened for me. And so it's just kind of acknowledging and honoring those tiny wins throughout the day and keeping track of them so that when you are feeling like the world is falling apart, there's maybe something to reference that yeah, you know what, it'll be okay. So I thought that was really interesting. I have not tried it yet, but I'm going to start that today. Actually, I saw that this morning. So good things that happened to me and for me list is my value ad. So yeah, I'll go next. My value ad is friendship for me. I saw something online also about friendship, about how not having a whole lot of friends is the thing, but just somebody that is there for you. Like it's not the number of friends you have, it's the ones that are there for you. So I'm really grateful for the friends I have. It's been a bit rough lately. And honestly, I don't have much friends, but the two I had came through for me. So, for me, friendship is a whole lot. It's more than having just a bunch of people calling everyone your friend. It's about people that are there when you're down. And I'm honestly grateful for friendship. And I want to say a shout out to my friend. Her name is Cynthia. I'm really grateful for Cintia. I'm an educator and I've been trying to find out more opportunities on how to educate people on different thing. Last week I was out I was thinking I saw some university students. I met them while I was going to somewhere and they were talking about particular lecturer and all that. So I got interested. So what they were saying the lecturer came in dropping the lecture for a few hours and then the next was the quiz. It got me thinking about education lecturers and then how it happened in the classroom and then I was wondering after taking a lecture the lecturer was able to drop some quiz for the learners. I was trying to put those things together. one in my mind I was like what about those that were not listening very well and they were not aware that there will be a quiz it means that these people are going to like fail that quiz and then in classroom you see different types of learners with a different type of learning style some as you're teaching they're learning it immediately they're getting you and they're following up from that topic some you finish teaching and they go back and read that over and over again and some might need somebody to come back and then guide them through that topic. So as I left those students, I was going actually to hospital. I kept thinking about how those people that need some time to learn about a topic over and over, the people that need someone to guide them, how would they perform in the quiz. The quiz was not my quiz. I wasn't in the class. But my concern as an educator was how these two set of people will perform in that quiz. In my head, I concluded that the lecturer must have done that on purpose because he might want everybody in his class to always pay attention because they would know what will come next. I mean that like a good strategy. I was thinking but on a second thought I was like those that won't do well in that quiz. I was I had pity on them because I don't know what the outcome will be. I don't know how to help them but I was just thinking about them and then staying them. It's also good for them to learn from it and they'll be ready to answer questions from this particular lecturer. So that's it. Thank you very much. That's very insightful. And that's the end of today's podcast. If you have a topic that you'd like us to cover on the podcast, whether that's questions you want answers to, suggestions for guests on panels or feedback on what we've done so far, we would love to hear from you. Do well to email us at podcastk chaos.com community with your messages and definitely we'll be finding this email at the show notes. Thank you for joining us today. We hope you enjoyed this episode. Until next time, your chaos community., Episode 111: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project, CHAOSS, 01jwe1h2fa9s3btap0j4rcrp88.