Missionary Abuse Inside Sean Feucht's Ministry  🔗 **Source:** [Missionary Abuse Inside Sean Feucht's Ministry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LgZUL3btLM) And like my phone's going off. So I look at my phone and there's these messages like we're leaving now. I'm we're running through the camp to get out of there. And the videographer gets up and they're like, "Do they know what happened to you to the other like light a candle members?" And I went to Bethl School of Ministry, you know, in California when I was 17 is when I moved there. During my first year, Sean Foy came in and he was like a guest speaker. I had never heard of him before, but he's talking about like light a candle. And then I applied to be his intern and I I got it. When I met I felt like I had been ruined. Can we tell can I tell somebody? Because I was so freaked out and so uncomfortable. And he was like, "Well, no. We have to keep it a secret until God tells me yes or no." She was in an empty house in Iraq living by herself cuz had left. She was like, "Yeah, they just ghosted me. They wouldn't send me money. They wouldn't talk to me. This is day one. I'm in Iraq. She's telling me this." And what? We were sent there to do like ministry, to do these big things, to be helping refugees, and they gave us nothing to do that. >> Just the way that he was really comfortable spinning stories and being like he he's very good at knowing how to manipulate people. He seemed to be an expert in that to me. They took the key. I was literally locked inside my house. I could not have left. So, they told me I was suicidal out of nowhere. And then they locked me in a house. Now, at this event, Shawn is going to have a worship match. There's also this sub subhidden mission where someone these some people are trying to figure out who has been trafficked here and who is now enslaved to families in this country and need help. >> I don't think I realized how bad things were until I ended up leaving. And >> I realized that we have left early because Sean wanted to take a picture. Let me take a picture of this. >> And I am filled with so much grief and shock and pain and anger. Can't believe this like that he would that the whole reason we're here the last day these people who have waited out to host us and the whole whole reason to be there is to sh the gospel. and I see it traded for a photo. I had visions at that moment. Do I go over there and scream like a crazy person at him and ask him what is wrong? Why would you do this? >> Hey guys, this is John and my wife Erica. >> These are real accounts from missionaries who served under Shawn Foy and what they experienced deserves our attention. women who risk their lives and recall experiencing abuse, manipulation, and serious leadership failures. >> In this video, you're going to hear from some of these missionaries. Two of them are remaining anonymous for their safety, >> including one who shared that she went through assault as well as ongoing harassment. The third story hasn't been made fully public yet >> and more will be coming out on truth and freedom stories because her story not only entails missions with light a candle but also her experience with the burn and let us worship. >> We were able to verify their witness and even though they came forward separately, their stories corroborate one another and point to the same patterns. They're speaking up to help ensure this doesn't happen to anybody else. After hearing some key excerpts from their stories, >> we're going to address Shauna directly based on the evidence that's come forward that we've seen with our own eyes and the testimony we can hear with our own ears. Here's how it got started with Jane Doe. So, I went to Bethl School of Ministry, you know, in California. Um, when I was 17 is when I moved there. When I first got there, I didn't even know who like Bill Johnson was. I didn't know who Shawn Fu was. I didn't know like the big names. I came from came from a church of like a hundred people or less. I just wanted to go because I I wanted to be a worship leader. I wanted to do all the big things, you know. During my first year, Sean Foy came in and he was like a guest speaker. I had never heard of him before, but he's talking about like light a candle. He's talking about missions and he was talking about what the team in Iraq at that time had been doing. And I'm like crying. weeping. I'm like, that's what I want to do. Like, I always knew that I wanted to do something big and I knew that I wanted to help people and I just I knew I didn't want to go to again. Like, I just, you know, I was so young. I had all these big ideas and so I was like, that's what I'm going to do. That's what I'm going to do. So, as we just heard, Jane do discovered Light a Candle and Sean Foy after he came to her school and showed a promo video. It's really what made her want to join, something she equated at the time with God calling her. >> Yeah. for me. Um, I first heard about light a candle when I was in my first year of BSSM, so about 4 years ago. And, uh, I had no idea what the Lord had planned for me at that point in my time. I was I was 17. I was terrified of everything, especially in the Middle East. I didn't even know who Shawn Floyd was. I had no idea. But, um, when Shawn came and spoke uh, in my first year class, I I broke down in tears. I knew that this was what the Lord was calling me to do. And I knew that I wasn't only called to the Middle East, but I was called to be with Light Candle. >> Let's take a look at one of those promos Sean uses. and ransom captive is and we showed up today. our team did. Obviously, bringing the love of Jesus, bringing them joy and really believing that our investment every week is going to see waves of God's love crash over their hearts. >> I mean, so when you watch the emotional nature of some of these promos, you can see why people might feel that way and want to help. As image bearers of God, I believe we're all called to care for the vulnerable. You know, the widows, the orphans, the refugee, to reach our neighbors with the love that God calls us to. I think the problem becomes when that innate call of God on all of our lives gets exploited by the grifters among us. >> Deceptive PR is dangerous. People sometimes have no clue the way social media can be used to swindle people into giving, volunteering, donating in the name of the Lord's cause to line the pockets of those that are trying to swindle them. >> I mean, this doesn't mean every promotional video for an organization is bad. I've shared a little on this channel before about my background in media and communications in the military. Also went to film school. It helps for me to see beyond the emotional pools and hype of this kind of content, knowing how it's put together. I think some of you are probably good at that as well, though, even without the schooling. I personally think the need for media literacy, even in the church, can't be understated. >> I was so young. I didn't know what was right, what wasn't, and the idea that like that could happen to another person that or really any age, but like I was so young, you know, I had no idea. And I don't want that to happen to anybody else. This is why I think it's important to address because the kind of promo videos that Shawn puts out, and honestly, a lot of these other charismatic ministries that have been exposed often have a very specific intention. Sometimes it's just for donations, but there's also ones with the goal of recruiting people. I myself went to Morning Star School of Ministry as a teenager, similar to Jane Doe, after seeing a promo video, and I certainly realized firsthand it didn't line up with reality. But we'll save Rick Joiner's crazy ministry for another day. This is Sean Fo and I am here at the legendary Morning Star and I'm here with Pastor Rick Joiner who has been such a hero. >> I mean, it's obviously bad enough if someone's misusing donations of the flock, which is part of where Shawn is even in a major lawsuit right now regarding a donation of $250,000. Like, that's not a small amount of money. And it looks like he can't just be direct and transparent about how the money was spent with the people who were gracious enough to give him such a large donation in the first place. As we know his response has been, every penny has reached its kingdom intended purpose. Every single penny that has been raised that you guys out there have donated has gone to fulfill its kingdom orained purpose. And I stand by that right here. You can see I'm not going to read them to you guys know >> but I find it's especially grievous when someone's deceptive or manipulative tactics being used in God's name cause harm to even one of the Lord's lambs. Young people are particularly vulnerable to get caught up in these kinds of things and potentially get harmed in serious ways as we'll learn from Jane Doe. Sean's videos seem to put out a big front of all these great things that he's doing overseas when in reality it was these missionaries who were carrying the load and burden and their personal sacrifice in everyday life. I mean, for me, I worked for the United States military. I know how scripts are written to manipulate an audience. I see the tactics and I also see who's actually paying the price for them. So, it's a bummer that people give up their whole lives. It's so much work to go on the mission field. It is so much work and people sacrifice a lot to do that and they get their donors to sacrifice a lot. It makes me sad that so many people have experienced that. I hope that all of this just turns into a way of healing for everybody that's experienced that. And I completely agree with Carrie that we just heard from who herself was one of the long-term missionaries that served under Shawn with Light a Candle. She was there in Iraq right before Jane Doe and actually got to meet her on Jane Do's first short-term trip. But shortly after that is when the Iraq trip happened. And that trip was what, like 10 days, something like that. And I really loved Iraq and I that's something that after everything I don't know that I could live there again just due to the history but I I loved living there. I loved working with the refugees. Like it's it feels crazy like when I came back and I was diagnosed with PTSD and all these things. It was so crazy to me that I was suffering from PTSD and like couldn't get off my couch and was having nightmares and these things that it was because of religious trauma and not because I lived in a war zone. I wasn't actually scared of Iraq. We had we had bombings, we had all kinds of crazy things that like, yeah, probably not the safest place obviously, but I loved living there. I loved it. I loved the culture. I loved the people. I loved the food was amazing. Like I I loved my time there and it feels like completely ruined by like the events that happened in the missions organization. >> Based on the testimony of these missionaries, the NGO structure in the Middle East at the time seems to have been more on paper than in reality with one missionary even calling it a phantom organization. >> It really is a it's like a phantom organization. And there was I was like there's literally nothing here but a name. >> Leadership roles like country director didn't seem consistent and were passed around depending on who was there at the time. Jane do was made the Iraq country director on multiple occasions. Carrie was also made a Iraq country director. >> Before Adam had actually gotten there, they had made me country director and because they needed somebody on paper to be the country director and Aspen had left so they put me. And then Adam got there and they were like, "Oh, it's going to be Adam because no one's going to respect you." And it was like, "Okay." And so they gave Adam the job, but Adam didn't know what he was doing. I didn't know what I was doing. But if you think about that, do you guys know any official organization that puts down their director, their country director, as whoever happens to be there at the time. A director is usually an official title, a role with serious responsibilities. Notice how she says they have to have a country director. And you'll hear more about that from Carrie as well because again they can't be an official organization in the Middle East without this which ultimately means Shawn can't fund raise on paper unless he meets these qualifications. >> So despite her being given this serious role she describes having roughly 20 minutes of actual face-toface conversation time with Shawn Foy and her entire time in his ministry. >> In my time I think I've met Shawn I met his kids a bunch of times. I met his wife a bunch of times. I think I had like four one-on-one conversations with Sean that lasted less than 5 minutes. >> To include her time as an intern, you know, they pay a good amount of money to intern and be mentored by these people. I mean, you know, in her case, she paid to not only, you know, she paid to intern with him, but also, you know, babysit his kids and clean his garage, things like that. >> So, my third year, I started the internship. And when I interviewed for the internship, when I did all that, like I never actually met Shawn. He was supposed to be the mentor, right? Like and you're supposed to have at least one meeting a month per the school rules and you're supposed to like there's like certain amounts of like ministry opportunities you're supposed to do with your mentor to like learn from them. I never had any of those. But I didn't actually meet Sean as his intern until I had been his intern for 3 months and then it was him asking me to babysit his kids. the internship. I I started noticing that it was weird. But again, like I was like I was just so excited because I was like a this is what I want to do. I'm living my dream, you know? I was like trying to make it work. But and so I didn't have anything to do. I didn't get to go on ministry trips. I didn't get to minister with Sean. I didn't get to do those things that like they were supposed to be part of the internship. So I was just there and I was, you know, booking their flights. Um and that's how I would find out they were going. I did end up babysitting for him a couple of times and didn't love that. Um he had what is it four or five kids? I don't remember but they were all so young and so I was like this is what my internship is. This isn't the ministry I feel called to this. I was like this isn't it. >> Yeah. >> And they would always like make comments about how like oh it's just like you have to serve before you are ready like you know things like that. And like I'm not saying that I should have been doing like things all the time with Sean. I was just like is this really like I don't even know that this is considered serving. You're just expecting me to do it, you know? It didn't feel like I I don't know. It just never felt right to me. And like I had to clean out his garage, all these things. And he would like he had me clean his garage before I met him. So I had a key to his house and I cleaned his garage, organized it before I met him. And I was like, "This is my internship. This is what I paid money to do that. I paid my money to clean his garage and I never met him." >> Can you imagine cleaning someone's garage before you've ever met them as a way of ministry? Like, that is so weird. If I had some 19-year-old girl come and cleaning our garage and like, "Hey, she's going to clear out the attic and you know, I'm not I'm not even going to meet her. You know, she'll babysit the kids later." Like I just can't imagine functioning like that as a father, much less as somebody who's expected to be a leader in the body of Christ. >> Another young, inexperienced female missionary was described as having been left in an empty house in Iraq by herself with literally nothing but a foam mat at what was supposed to be the light a candle headquarters because light a candle refused to pay for furniture for their own office. Some of his own missionaries were described as being left in unnecessarily difficult and unsafe conditions. Obviously, they signed up knowing there was risks involved with being a missionary for the Lord in dangerous territories. But that should not come with the carelessness as the one who's expected to be their leader. But share with us kind of a little bit of the history, what led to this, and then even just what the last couple weeks have been like. So, I get there in September and I kid you not, the house like had she had the furniture put into the house that day. She had lived in this huge house. They had moved her from the house that we visited and she like there was still like boxes and stuff everywhere. And I was like, "Oh, wow. Like, is the furniture new?" And she goes, "Yeah, I convinced them to like let me buy it yesterday. It was delivered this morning." And I was like, "How long have you been in this house?" And she was like, "Months, like since like you and Kelly were here, like since that trip was here." She was in an empty house in Iraq living by herself cuz Carrie had left. And I was like, "What do you mean? Like you couldn't buy furniture." And she goes, "Well, I told Light a Candle I wasn't going to use the money that I get from my supporters to furnish their office because Light a Candle had to have a physical office for them to be an organization in the Middle East. like to be in Iraq and that house was considered their organization, like their headquarters. And she goes, I'm not going to furnish their entire office. She's like, there's so much stuff that like I wouldn't even really use. It's just for the organization. She was like, yeah, they just ghosted me. They wouldn't send me money. They wouldn't talk to me. She goes, when I would ask for it, they would just stop talking to me. And this is my first day. Like, this is day one I'm in Iraq. She's telling me this and I'm like, what? And I was like, "Have you talked to Ruthie?" I was like, "Cuz Ruthie wouldn't do that. Ruthie wouldn't do that." And she goes, she pulled up her emails and it's her communicating with Ruthie asking for money for an air conditioning unit because, you know, we don't have AC. Asking for AC, asking for money to buy a couch. She didn't have a place to sit. She was sleeping on a foam pad in a bedroom with no AC in an Iraqi summer. And she was like, "Yeah, I haven't had the money to do anything." >> And our family sacrificed more than I could say with words to make that happen. >> A lot of sacrifice. >> A lot of sacrifice. >> A lot of sacrifice. So >> like, well, what? Like, you're just going to leave Aspen here by herself while there's a transition? And that that is what they did. >> And we did it. >> They left her there. She was in that house by herself >> in a bedroom with no AC in an Iraqi summer. you know, it's it's a statement to uh the rest of the people across America, breaking off the fear of the Middle East. >> I still disagree with that decision for her safety. They kept telling her like, "Well, you have a car. Like, you can do whatever you want." And she was like, "I'm a white young girl here by myself." She goes, "I can't drive anywhere." And she go and she didn't know how to drive stick either. She didn't have anyone to teach her. And she she didn't learn. And so she was really like stuck in that house with nothing. And then she would get in trouble if she walked too far by herself. She would tell me like she was like, "Yeah, I walked to this store." And she goes, "I stopped telling like light a candle leadership." Who at that time like her pastoral care was I think Ruthie. She's like, "Yeah, I stopped telling Ruthie when I do that because I get in trouble because they don't want me going that far by myself cuz I'm a girl." But she's like, "I don't know what to do." She's like, "I have to get groceries. Like I don't have anyone here." And I was like, "That's crazy. That's totally crazy." And then the first like Aspen and I were there together for 2 3 months before she left. Not very long. Like between September and Christmas, she left for Christmas and never came back. And Carrie, who was initially with this girl when they were on that team together in Iraq, describes the first house that they were in was full of mold in the upper level and light a candle also would not move them into safer conditions, which is a reasonable request to be in a house without mold. We went in the beginning of January of 2019, moved into the old light a candle house. And when I get there, I found out that Calie really didn't have enough monthly support and that they knew that sending her out there and you know, we all, you know, we have to pay for all of our flights and everything else. There was and then we were told that if we wanted to move to a different house because there was like a unfinished attic or something up there and there was like water damage and tons of mold and just junk everywhere. And I was very concerned about being in a house with lots of mold. And they told us that if we were going to move somewhere else or get furniture or do anything else like that, that that money would have to come out of our donors, which for me was rough because I lost a bunch of donors switching organizations and these two were just getting started. So that was a little bit of a stressor and something I didn't really agree with. And there was a lot of pressure to start social media and promoting a lot. Jane Doe and Carrie, the two long-term missionaries, both experienced important money not coming through light a candle during their time with the ministry despite donors telling them they had sent the funds. Light a candle seemed to act as an unreliable, disorganized in between. In one case, it was several thousand never received. >> We were sent there to do like ministry to do these big things to be helping refugees and they gave us nothing to do that. We had we had no food to give. We barely had food ourselves because our money often came late. We never knew how much money we would get per month because usually what we were told we would be getting didn't match what we actually got. Sometimes only by a couple hundred and sometimes by a lot more than that. And so we were like supposed to be doing all these things but we had no way of doing it. I mean really there were times that we couldn't even pay for gas in the in the vehicle. And Aspen was like well I think that light a candle should be paying for the gas because it's for ministry. She's like, "It's it's work." And Light a Candle always said, "No, you're driving it. How are we supposed to know that where you're driving it is actually for ministry purposes?" Because everything that I'd been promised about the organization is like I I get there and I realized that it was all incorrect. I don't think I realized how bad things were until I ended up leaving. So, first of all, again, Andrew and Kirsten are supposed to be our pastoral care. They just wouldn't talk to us for months at a time, and they'd be like, "Oh, sorry, we're traveling. Oh, sorry, we're with Shawn. Sorry, we're with Sean. Sorry, we're with Sean. And so we were like, "Okay, well, you guys are the ones that send us our money every month. Can you make sure that it's on time cuz we have to pay our rent. We have to do like we have to buy food. Like we actually have to live our lives." And where it was getting really tricky is on the light a candle website like where you could go to donate. You could say like donate to missionaries and it could be like not specific and it could just go to like ministry funding and then you could also say I want to give specifically to this missionary. So any funding that went to like the generic one we used for ministry things like we would go like we would buy food, we'd buy like four uh refugees, we'd like use that money and then if someone donated specific specifically to one of us, we would each get an email saying so and so or anonymous depending on donated x amount of money. And I remember there were multiple times I had um supporters like they would and you know like if a supporter like is sending a good amount of money, they usually tell you like they don't just send it, they tell you. So there were multiple times I had supporters reach out to me and the amounts were like it was various amounts like sometimes it was like 50 bucks and then there was one time in particular someone said, "Hey, the Lord put it on my heart. I'm going to give you $3,000." I never got that. And I asked Andrew and Kirsten about it. They never responded. Never responded. I asked them about it over the phone. I asked them about it via email. I had like a trail. They never responded. And I remember one time in particular, now this occur, like this kind of thing happened regularly, but I stopped bugging them about it after this instance. They weren't responding to us. And it was they you they were supposed to send our money on the first business day of the month regardless of anything else. The first business day is when we would all get our like money for the month. I remember it got to um the third business day. We hadn't heard anything from them. So all three of us, me, Adam, and Sarah had contacted them like, "Hey, can you make sure to send it? Like our rent is due in two days." You know, and when you're getting like 800 bucks a month, you really need that like to be on time. even though the dollar stretches really far in Iraqi Kurdistan, you still needed to be on time. And so it got to the third and we had all messaged them and they didn't respond. And so I started getting like a little bit more um direct in my messages where I was like, "Hey, you need to respond. Like you can't leave us hanging. Like please tell me where our money is." Cuz it got to the 5th and we were telling our landlord like, "Can you can you give us another few days?" Which is not a fun thing. not a fun thing at all. Especially when you're already navigating with like a language barrier and all of that and like there's so many things I was like, "Okay, this isn't good." And throughout the time they weren't responding to us. Like if something's wrong, tell me that something's wrong, don't just leave me hanging. I think it had been like a full week. And Kirsten had reached out to me and she's like, "Hey, can we set up a call to talk about this?" Which I always like I hate it. Like when when they would say that you knew you were in trouble because you didn't talk when things were going well. they only called you if they had something bad to say about you. And so I was like, "Okay." And so we set up a call for like the next day or something like that. And she talked about how me asking for money from them who they were supposed to send the money that was donated for me, for Adam, for Sarah, for us. She was like, "It just sounds like you're having a really hard time trusting the leadership God has put in your life." Yeah. It was a really crazy, really crazy few years of my life. And I don't think that I could I don't even know how I could explain all of the details and all of the nuance. I just know that like money was always missing. Um we were expected to front ministry costs and we couldn't ask why. >> I just wanted to add in the editor's note here. You know, this is during the time Jane Doe, you know, it was at the end of 2019 and for 3 years, you know, she was a part of Sean Floyd's ministry. So this is during a time where he's bringing in exponentially more, like millions more than his ministries have ever brought in. So for his missionaries to feel like they don't know where money is going to come from, it just seems really odd to me that a man is stacking up parsonages and mansions in the US. But the missionary who he has to have there so her name can be on paper and he can rake in more donations for this ministry is reporting that money was always missing and things weren't adding up. >> Like money was always missing >> and the state that these young women were being left in. It just seems absurd to me. Such carelessness and really just a reckless disregard for the state of their souls. Something that leaders are supposed to care for. Carrie specifically notes that they had to raise all their own funds from their personal donors, but she realized Shawn was fundraising all the time for the organization and she didn't understand why they were having to front money their money from their donors for the ministry cost. She even notes how when they had to travel back and forth, you know, to country or back to the States, that had to come out of their own personal funds. But when Shawn would come over, it seems his trip would be paid for out of the ministry money. >> That that money that he used to fly over and stay at the hotel came out of the light a candle fund instead of his own personal fundraising or whatever. That was a light a candle fund. >> Let a candle also had Carrie and her teammate Aspen use social media to fund raise for the headquarters that they needed. And we were thinking like, you're telling us to raise money out of our own donor base or light a candle home that doesn't belong to us. It belongs to the organization that people would, you know, come and stay in. And at that point, early on, I was like, I don't think I'm going to be the one staying here for very long. So, I'm not going to spend money on a place like it's my house. I'm not going to be here probably. But we were bothered by the fact that he was using that money for a flight in a hotel. >> There are several examples of outlandish things that Shawn posted publicly that didn't line up with the reality on the ground. The missionaries claimed they were blatant lies that disturbed them. Sean's on the way over. And then I think the first thing I noticed, she actually noticed on his social media before he got there is we had maybe I can't remember if we'd raised money or if there wasn't money, but he had said something like, "I've got a dollar and cent amount in my pocket in the plane on the way to Iraq to give refugees food or something." She came down to me and said, "Look at this. like this is not true and I was like yeah it's not I had already kind of noticed things like that with him and I didn't want to be the person to really say that kind of stuff to her. I don't know what kind of purpose that would have served at the time, but that was the first thing that she noticed and she was really upset about it because it was a blatant lie and she knew that. I had a picture of his dad with a local in Africa and so I sent that to him and said, "Oh, I just I found this in my old pictures. Thought you might, you know, thought you might like seeing that." And then he posted it on his social media and just made up a story like this is my dad leading this leader to Christ. And I was like, "Wow, he just does not think I'm going to see that or what." But that was also pretty telling. And it was like immediate, too. I sent it to him and it was it was on social media pretty quickly. He is filming and he says at the end of the distribution, he says, "Thank you so much for your donations." like he says something about donations and then he says he says something about God doing a miracle. And this is where the manipulation and spiritual connection of like you had a part in what God is doing. You had a part in this miracle. If you give money, you are giving money to a place that does miracles. And it wasn't a miracle. It was a lie. He said God multiplied our supplies. >> All right. Something wild just happened here. We finished our distribution today. We served all of the families that showed up. Everyone that was on the list we were given. And look how much is left over. I mean, this can only be a miracle that there's this much left over. Like over a hundred of each item. And that mean we even left several for families that weren't here. So only God can do stuff like this. We see it with the loaves and fishes. We see it with the with the oil poured out in the jar. And now we're seeing it in the present day. And so we're going to be able to take all this stuff and help more families that are in crisis. Our God is a God of miracles. >> It seems that the pattern was Sean would come over to these short-term distribution trips to refugees here and there, and that's when he would film and do his photo ops. >> So we did this big distribution in the refugee camp. Sean came over for it. >> Then he'd use that on social media sometimes with outlandish and blatant lies to garner more donations. Obviously, I mean, I think in the gambling world when those guys get addicted to pulling the thing cuz they realize all the coins that come out sometimes. I think that maybe that's what we're running into with Sean Floyd. And while the gospel does say that even the grifters can help to spread the name of Jesus and we're grateful for that, >> you know, that was Paul's wrestling match with what ought not to be. So, and even so, he's very clear about those ones um and the end that they come to. And we don't really wish that for Shawn. We actually want Shawn to actually see those that, you know, he's brought harm to to rightly offer his heart, you know, without pride, but in humility to apologize where he was an error and to make things right in the spirit of truth. And I don't think that he's willing to do that. >> But the missionaries on the ground had very different experiences in what they were living out than what Shawn portrayed on social media. We're going to show you guys some videos and screenshots where Shawn boasts about the great things that he was doing over there to include the miracle of multiplication you just heard him claim >> like Jesus >> that the missionaries who were actually on that trip claimed did not in fact happen. >> And I was like now I didn't know this at the time. I was working elsewhere but later I hear of this from other people on the trip. They're upset and kind of demoralized. They're like, "Did you see that video that Sean posted? He said that God multiplied the material." Like, he lied. That's a lie. So, there's demoralization that's happening among people because they're like, "That didn't happen." And who who lies about a miracle? Like, who why how the reverence of God is not there's no fear of God in that. If if people found out that, you know, Peter's shadow didn't heal people, like if that was fake, how horrible. If people, you know, I just take pick a miracle from the Bible and learn that someone was lying about it or exaggerating, it would be horrible. And this is a miracle that didn't happen. So, I've seen him connect things to giving because he would connect God's power to him and his events and that as some form of again stamp of approval of the ministry. >> I actually really love the way that put it. I don't think I could have put it better myself, guys. So, >> but Sean actually reused that very post, the one we're told was a false claim of a miracle. He reused that post later. to raise more donations, saying, "Hey, look, remember when this miracle happened? Give here and be a part of a place that does miracles." >> Not just any donations. We're talking historic donations, guys, off of a false miracle. Isn't that crazy? So I do see that now as like a manipulation thing which then is also like the verse of Lord Lord did we not do many miracles prophesy in your name you know apart from me I never knew you scary to think about so Carrie was a little older and she had already been established on the mission field beforehand however she had been physically assaulted in another country in the Middle East and she was taking some time off candle leaders Andrew and Kirsten were persistent in trying to recruit her so they could have a team lead in Iraq, >> which is the country director that we've heard about now. >> She was very concerned about safety after what she had been through. That's natural. And she had made them aware of this. >> And not only just what she had been through personally, but having worked with organizations, she knew some of how ministry structure works and how uh missions organizations policies and things like that are. And she realized that there was a serious lack of that in light a candle. But they assured her that they were going to be taking over and revamping the organization and dealing with some of the issues that had been there prior. >> This did not happen, however, and they didn't seem to take into account the very real issues of the other missionaries on the ground. >> And then they reached out to me. I was in Jordan at the time doing full-time missions with another organization and wanting to make a change cuz I didn't have a team. So, I wanted to um see if I could find a team in the Middle East. And I ended up going and meeting doing a short-term trip to Iraq, not realizing that they were getting ready to replace the entire team, the original team. I could tell when I was there that there were things that were not right. And they told us that they were actively recruiting to replace the whole team. And then I think they recruited me after the fact. I think somebody asked me to consider joining it. And I had told them no because I just felt like it was weird that the whole team that loved missions and loved Iraq and wanted to stay in missions all wanted to leave at the same time. And I had asked them about that later. They I told them no. I was in the States for a few months. I was um physically assaulted in Jordan. And so I took 4 months off in the States to recover and I told them that I was recovering and that I didn't think it was a good time for me to make a commitment or make a decision like that and that some I had some concerns about the team leaving um and some of the infrastructure as far as safety and just having uh regular guidelines that other missions organizations have. They didn't seem to have much in place and then they came back to me later and really just recruited pretty hard because they needed a team lead over there. Didn't really occur to me at the time that they were having such a hard time replacing that team and getting people to sign up. So I flew out to reading last minute on my own dime of course. I think it was Andrew cuz he said that he was him and Kirsten were like newly overseeing the project. I guess the light a candle project and that some of the problems that they had had before were now going to be resolved because they've got Andrew and Kirsten and their oversight and they're going to be visiting in country more and all of those kinds of things that I had kind of some of the things I had mentioned that they said, "Oh yeah, we're going to develop it and we'll be present and you know we value your input and making it a better a better thing and safety and all of that kind of stuff. >> She actually tried to address things directly with Shawn and he dismissed her concerns. >> It's not surprising. >> I had emailed him prior and I had several points about things that I felt like needed to happen which were things I had said stateside to Andrew and Kristen just about developing like having some policies and how even how to address conflict like what are we doing for team building? What are we doing for safety? what is the issue with finances? Just how do we have support? I wanted to be on a team so that we had support and had a more healthy situation to be in and that kind of stuff. And I I told them I said I don't feel like in the email I said I don't feel like I can continue on this team long term unless we really figure out some of these issues. I wanted them to know that those were serious issues and they weren't something that I could wait a year or two to do. And he emailed back and was like, "Whoa, this is kind of like this something like this is crazy. Like I, you know, like I'm you're catching me by surprise." I'm like, "I don't know why this is a surprise because I've been seeing a lot of this stuff since the beginning." And there were no accusations. I didn't talk about really his finances. said like we have to figure out how light a candle is going to be self-supporting and it's not going to be taken out of my donor base like we don't have enough money to do that. Aspen definitely didn't have enough money to do that but there were no accusations or things at that time. I just think I was being assertive about saying like here are some bullet points and we can we resolve these while you're here in country. He just acted like this is this is wild like whoa. And when he came, he definitely didn't really talk to me very much at all. And he definitely catered to Aspen, like being her little buddy and, you know, all that kind of personal inside jokes and things like that. And it just felt like he was working in the room. And I felt like he must sense I'm on my way out or unhappy and he's gonna do whatever he can to keep her happy so that he'll still have a team here. >> So, quick editor's note again here, guys. Remember, he has to have a country director. I mean, is it really a team when you're leaving a young woman alone on a foam mat in a home just so you can have on paper that you're a missions organization in the Middle East? That feels so whack, man. Like, I do not count you among the brothers who I know serve faithfully in the Middle East. I believe Carrie was right to be concerned about the lack of safeguards. I light a candle. I was really really worried about safety. Um, having already been in the Middle East for a couple years and also knowing how the Middle East is and and being attacked physically by someone after I'd already been there, I was really worried about Aspen. The next year, Kirsten and Andrew reached out to me and they asked me, they said they were going to be in country and if I wanted to get coffee. They just wanted to check and make sure I was okay. I met with them and I felt like it was a conversation just to make sure that I knew that I was not very forgiving towards Shawn. Mind you, I had not said anything about this publicly at all. And at that point really wasn't something I was focused on. kind of was focused on just getting as far away from it as possible. So, I don't know why they reached out to me really to have that conversation to make sure I was okay, but it really felt like they just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to say anything. They wanted to make sure we were good. I think they straight up asked me if I was going to say anything. And I remember being surprised at their boldness. I said that I really wasn't. I didn't really feel like it was going to have any sort of impact. I had already tried to talk to them and I had already tried to do the right thing and it just seemed like it just seemed like if I were to say something to somebody, it wasn't going to go anywhere cuz that that's kind of what had already happened. And who would I tell? I don't I don't know people outside of that group. And everybody in the group that I've been around associated with Sean had done the same thing. and they were very very loyal to him in spite of what they said were not great qualities. Nobody ever mentioned finances to me. I suspected that there were some things that were wrong, but I didn't have any proof. But just the way that he was really comfortable spinning stories and being just a like he he's very good at knowing how to manipulate people. He seemed to be an expert in that to me back then. And so I also didn't feel like if I were to say anything that I I felt like there would be a lot of backlash. They had kind of alluded to saying like, "Oh, you know, you had that thing in Jordan and that guy attacked you and you know, you just maybe need some, you know, some downtime because you've got some PTSD." And just when we would have conversations that would come up as though that was the issue here instead of what all the other things that were happening, I didn't really feel like I had a a voice really. We're going to hear Jane Doe's heartbreaking accounts of SA that she experienced both on the mission field and back home in the states with a light a candle leader and all this time is going on and as I'm his intern and like even before I was his intern is when I met I don't know if any of you guys would know him. Um as far as I know he still works for the organization. He's one that I've had to block on multiple different platforms. He was in his 30s. I was 18 when I met him. I think he was like probably 32. Uh so I was a legal adult. I will say that. Uh but he started like like I remember being like, "Is he flirting with me? Is he not?" And this is before I met Sean. This is like this was probably like a year-long like situation where it's like I he would like flirt with me. At least I thought he was flirting with me. like he would tell me how nice I looked, like things like that. And then he wouldn't talk to me like, and he would only talk to me if nobody else was around. And I remember like, of course, I had a crush on him. I was 18. And like he's, you know, like, and he was called to this ministry and he had gone to Iraq. He wanted to go, he kept saying he wanted to go back and all these things. And so I'm like, you know, 18year-old girl. I was like, "Oh my gosh, like that's so cool." He would flirt with me and then he wouldn't talk to me. And then there was a day um before I had gone on the trip with Kelly. I knew that there was um like the the van in Iraq was a manual transmission and I didn't know how to drive. And so they wanted me to learn how to drive before I went out there because the whole time they were like anticipating me moving. So they were like, "Okay, you need to learn how to drive." The only person we knew that had a manual transition transmission was. So they asked him to teach me. So, I remember I went over to his place and we went driving and I was learning and then he invited me up to his apartment and I remember thinking, I don't know if that's a good idea, but again, like I did have a crush on him. Like again, I feel like that was normal for a 18-year-old girl to have a crush. And I remember he made a move and I just like I didn't know what to do. And I mean, I kissed him back, but again, I was 18 and I didn't like it was one of those situations where I mean, I hope that none of you have been in a situation like this, but it was kind of like I didn't know what to do. So, I kind of froze. And so, we kissed and then like he definitely pushed it further than I was comfortable with, but I also didn't know how like I didn't know how to get out of it. Um, I remember being pretty freaked out. I I was so anxious and I was terrified. I was like, I'm not going to be able to go to Iraq. Like like I felt like I had been ruined. I remember being like, well, I didn't technically say no, but I like I didn't know how to. And I was really freaked out. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. And he was like, well, because this happened, I'm hoping that God calls me to Iraq so that we can just get married. And so I remember begging like praying to God that he would get called to Iraq because if he if we got married it would be okay. Then what happened wouldn't be a bad thing. Then it was oh he was my husband. It doesn't matter. And he would always say that and then he would just not talk to me for weeks. And then he would try to get me to come over again and I'd say no I don't want to do that. And then he wouldn't talk to me. And then if I was alone, like I had to work with him like professionally like we we were around each other. He would like try to hold my hand. He would try to touch me. He would try. And I was like, "You can't." Like I I was so uncomfortable and I couldn't tell anybody because he was like, "Well, you can't tell Ruthie." I was like, "Can we tell Can we tell Ruthie?" I was like, "We can't tell Sean. Can we tell Can I tell somebody?" Because I was so freaked out and so uncomfortable. And he was like, "Well, no. We have to keep it a secret until God tells me yes or no." I never heard whether or not he got a yes or no. Obviously, that wasn't actually what he was waiting on. Um, two more missionaries joined the team. Um, and to be honest, things happened with one of them that I don't feel super comfortable about talking. Um, I was sexually assaulted by one of them and uh, he like tried to contact me. He even tried reaching out to me about a year ago. Um, says that it didn't happen. And at the time that it happened, he threatened to tell the organization that I initiated it, that it was my fault, that um, all these different things. and he was like, "They're going to take your job." Because at that time, I had become country director again. Long there's so many like little details. I It would take way too long to go through every little thing. But um he ended up it it's so it's so complicated. And again, like I would say that we were we had started like kind of dating, but he wanted to keep it a secret. And then um things escalated and I said no. I remember because I I was like I learned about this like I said no and that was not respected and then um I was threatened and he was like if I tell they're going to tell you to leave and he was like I'm going to stay. He goes they can't tell me to leave. It's not my fault you led me on. So, uh, that was going on, but of course, like because that happened and because of everything else, just one thing on top of another, like I could tell I was starting to shut down. Like, I was I was over it. I want to share that uh Jane Doe did go through some healing and she went through some therapy and has really come through a lot in the trauma that she experienced during her time there. And we're really grateful for her coming forward and for all of the missionaries coming forward exposing the facade and the front that Shawn uses for his ministries. I think all of the men involved, all of the people that have been involved, including those who essayed Jane Doe, they know who they are, are going to be accountable. Now, we're going to hear about some pretty wild rules that Shawn implemented in the ministry during Jane Doe's time there. And remember, as she shared with us, when she first got there to Iraq, her and the other teammate had no ministry connections set up for them. They were just in a house on their own. so Shawn could have an NGO office and a country director. Ultimately, he needed to collect donations, but I do remember Andrew and Kristen um having a call with us as a group and they had new rules for like the ministry that I that never sat right with me. Um by this point, we had pretty decent funding. We had raised quite a bit of money. uh we had gotten a lot better at fundraising and all these things and so we actually had money to do ministry um which I thought was like the biggest win and we started working specifically not in refugee camps but with homeless refugees because they were refugees that either came too late and the camps were full or families that left the camps in promise of work and then were denied for whatever reason. Um, and there were like pockets of homeless communities in our city that were not getting funding. They were because refugee camps, not not great conditions, but they're they get food, right? They get water, they have heaters in the winter, those things. Homeless refugees don't have that. And they're they can't work most of the time because they nobody will hire them. You know, they're not going to hire Syrians. You know, it's it very complex, but that's how it was. And so we found these pockets kind of on accident and we started like bringing food to them, bringing heaters, bringing blankets, you know, uh baby food, like things like that. And uh so that that was kind of our our niche. and Andrew and Kirsten had a call with us and they they told us that they had new rules for the ministry that it was you had to um bring up Jesus the very first meeting which I was a missionary. It's not to say that but you kind of have like a groove, right? And you kind of we were living in the Middle East where people were dying for their faith, right? Like I knew people that were killed or attempted, so it wasn't something to mess around with. Like there's a severity to it. And of course, our goal was to share the gospel. That's why we were there. But they said we were to always share the very first meeting no matter what. And sometimes we we hadn't been doing that. We would do that sometimes if we felt safe to do so. But sometimes it's for your own safety that you don't do it either, right? uh and for the safety of the people that you're ministering to because if there's one person in the room that's interested but the other four are not, that's also not okay, you know. And so we were to bring it up the first time and drop off food. The second time we were to bring it up again and ask them if they are interested in a Bible or whatever, whatever. If they said no, we give them one more chance. But the second time we don't bring food. The third time we go back, we bring food, we offer the gospel. We We had like Bibles get like donated to us in Arabic and Kurdish and we were told to bring the food with us on the third time. Let them see the food like we would bring the food in with us, offer the gospel. If they said yes, they got to keep the food. If they said no, we left and we don't come back and we take the food with us. These are people who were unable to work. Oftent times they had injuries like they had been hit like they were, you know, in various situations where they had been injured from the war, different things like that. We were told not to give them food, but let them know that we had it. I didn't necessarily follow that rule. Um, I would stick with I would only visit them three times, but I would always leave the food. I didn't feel right about that. That just never sat right with me because I remember being like and at that time in my life, I was I won't talk too much about this. I'm I'm I no longer consider myself Christian. I don't um I would I would not call myself that. But at that point in my life, like I I I was very devout. like everything I did like you know I spent hours in prayer every day I read chapters of the Bible every day like I had like I I worshiped I I did I was a visionary like are you kidding and that just never I couldn't do it I was like I will bring these people food until the day I die even if they never accept because I don't feel like that's something I if it's within my power I don't feel that I should be able to withhold it like that that is not okay and again for someone like Sean to be in charge of all that. And he just like the times that he did talk to us like he sent he would do like group calls or like emails or things like that or like if they were like okay we talked Andrew and Kirstson be like we talked to Sean this is what he had to say like things like like his voice was always present. I didn't really convey that before in the details but like he his leadership his direction was always what we followed. It was him that had those ideas about, you know, the three times rule that like the that's what they call the three times rule, whatever. Like it was that stuff was coming from him is what we were told. And so while we didn't hear his voice directly all the time, like anything that we did came through came from Sean and we executed. We're going to hear some more from him now from the beginning and her experience doing mission trips in the Middle East with light a candle. She will also have an in-depth interview coming out detailing her time as a burn director and with lettuce worship as well. For now, she shares how a group of refugees did their best to put together a makeshift place for Shawn to do his worship and ministry at. Take a listen to how that went and how Sean's response was. We go to this church. There's also this sub sub hidden mission where someone these some people are trying to figure out who has been trafficked here and who is now enslaved to families in this country and need help. So that's kind of like the undercurrent okay that's going on that's with another organization that's that's kind of coming in with light a candle for this event. Now at this event Shawn is going to have a worship night. We get there and some of the the plan is to have some people, some of our doctors and nurses meeting with people and checking on them while also getting this information of drawing out who might who may or may not be trafficked. And then we're also going to have like this worship and prayer night. Well, so we're there and these people have like transformed their space. Like it's very crowded. It's not nice. But they have done they have put food out like they are trying to be just do their best and these are people who are not native to this Middle Eastern country. And so we're there and there aren't very many people there which who cares but there weren't. But Sean cared. Sean cared a lot. Shawn was extremely upset and I didn't know this but that that was happening until about 20 minutes later. So we're there. We're there for a little bit. We're kind of waiting and some people are praying for people. Other people are just talking, getting to know people. Other people I think are maybe they may have been having their clinic at this point, the mini clinic. And someone comes up to me and they say, "Hey, we're leaving. We need to leave." Okay. Like, all right. So, I leave, we leave, we go back to our flat, which was in the neighborhood. And it was weird. Well, I find out that it's because there weren't enough people there. And Shawn was upset about this. And Shawn comes back to our flat, the house where we're staying, and he has us all go into the prayer meeting room, and he he commences to give a speech on how important it is to hold these third world country people accountable to time. And time works the same everywhere on Earth. And it's not just an American thing that you can be on time. and they just don't respect and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. He's teaching us that we need to essentially what he's teaching us is how to be offended. How to march out on people who have done just their best. And honestly, if you've been to a third world country, there's crazy stuff that happens all the time. And these people are poor. They're poor. So, no one is like cheering Shawn on or like I think 100%. We're just all kind of like is what he's saying true. Eventually, we go back and sadly it was it did do some damage with some people who were there long term. And the next morning, our trip leader apologizes to us and says, "I shouldn't have let that. I am sorry. Sean is this person's boss. I I agree it shouldn't have happened and I respect this person for acknowledging and for taking responsibility in it, but it isn't ultimately on that person. It's on Shawn and his his tantrum and and his expectation to be his expectations which are which are self- serving and wrong and prideful. So, not off to the best start with Shawn arriving on our mission trip. >> This is supposed to be the missions guy who is upset because refugees didn't come and perhaps like they do in the States for his big let Us worship concerts in a third world war torn country. I was truly at a loss for words on that one, especially having done some short-term missions trips and going through a missions training program. We were literally told that part of the missionary life is to hurry up and wait. I can't imagine when I went to Haiti in 2010 after the earthquake in the compound that we were serving in with dozens of families in tents and rubble everywhere. If our team leader lost his lid because not enough people showed up for our ministry service. I I can't imagine if that happened. I would probably be like, "What's wrong with you?" >> I think that's what Em was like. >> Yeah. And I think that's how she felt. >> That's the same missionary you saw in the opening who was being pulled away from their allotted time to share the gospel, you know, in an emergency like fashion because Shawn wanted to get his photo. You know, it's important. >> Take a picture. >> Well, we'd like for you guys to hear the rest of the story. I think it speaks a lot to who Shawn is. >> She also conveys that there's an on camera version of Shawn. That would be the version you guys see on his social media promos. This would mean there's also an off- camerara version of Shawn. And that off- camerara version is what all of these missionaries are speaking to. Not only them, but everyone else who has come forward. People who also worked for Shawn, who served faithfully under his ministry >> as leaders in his ministry. Some of them, >> the people who saw Shawn behind closed doors. I think you should listen to them. So, let's hear some more from M and her experience. Like Shawn is there for what you see him doing. He you Shawn is there for what you see him doing. From what I saw from what you see him doing in his videos, that's all I really ever see him doing is walking around with his guitar pointing and making videos and not he there's no like hidden Oh yeah. When Sean gets off of recording a video or taking a photo, he is washing people's feet. He is doing these things that everyone else is doing, carrying heavy loads. And like he speaks one way, but then when you see when you're living in among him, he is not who he can be on social media and on a stage with a microphone. >> Hey, what what was the picture showing? of the not everything is lost because Shawn was involved like but there are specific things that he he is responsible for. So I embark out into the camp with a few people a translator and then a the like a physical therapist a nurse and I think maybe another nurse or something like that. So we are trying to get through this camp. It's the gospel at this point. Like this is what we are trying to do. And so trying to get everyone through the camp also trying to find out where these people live. It isn't like like address 405, 407, 406, 410. Like it's not organized. Like it's like B43 is here. And you would think that in this line would be B46, but instead this is Q42. hu like there was no so we had to to follow the spirit. I'm there's no exaggeration. He gave us direction and where to go and he got us there but it took 45 minutes just to find this one person because of all the stops along the way and they ended up coming out and finding us. So we get to this tent, we do what we are there to do there. Awesome amazing things, God glorifying things happen. Okay. But there was one more tent that we were supposed to go to and we only have a finite amount of time to to do all this before we have to leave and go get on the the caravan to go back to our flat. So we wrap up at this tent and we're booking it to the next one. this person too. Communication is is not like we're on what we're like on a texting service and spotty service like it's wild west out there or it's basically 1994. Who knows who has who has connection to the outside world like and somehow some of these people in this refugee camp do have phones. And so I find I I had gotten this woman's information and was able to be messaging with her. And so I met her at her tent, her and her daughter. Her and her daughter had had like been waiting on us for at this point like hours. And they had this I forget what it's called. It's very long instrument. And so she has that out. She's proudly playing for us and and they have tea and you know they are welcoming us into their home and they're so excited to have us there. And it's getting to the point where we're going to we're going to share the gospel with him. And then I start getting these like buzzings and like my phone's going off. So I look at my phone and there's these messages like we're leaving now. And I was like this is early. What the heck? But we had to leave. Like it was like we were leaving. And so we leave and we run like I'm we're running through the camp to get to to get out of there. looking out and the van, the leader van that I was originally going to be in is pulled over and all these other vans start following me. We're pulling off to the side of the road and there's like this very scenic view and I realize and the videographer gets out and I realize that we have left early because Sean wanted to take a picture and I am filled with so much grief and shock and pain and anger that I did something I never have ever done. The atoms in my body are exploding and I say, "Did we really leave early from sharing the gospel for a photo opportunity?" And the whole van is silent. And I'm just like bitterly weeping. It's a bitter bitter weeping. And no one says anything. Everyone just gets out and they go over to go take a picture with him. So now I'm like, "God, God, I can't believe this. It's like I cannot believe that he would do this that he would that the whole reason we're here the last day these people who have waited hours to host us and the whole whole reason to be there was to share the gospel and I see it traded for a photo. I had visions at that moment. do I go over there and scream like a crazy person at him and ask him what is wrong? Why would you do this? But it just was the best picture I had ever had of his priorities. And that picture is on the internet and it is on his page and he I'm not in it. And actually, there's also another video of him at that where we pulled over on the side of the road and he's like he exaggerates how many people we served. There's an exact number of people which he mentions in a previous video of how many families we served and then he exaggerates in the video that he took later of how many people. He made the number bigger. because of your generosity and your support, we were able to bless 8,000 Syrians that escaped war. And uh that's what exaggeration means. Being public about stuff is serious for some of the people over there. They they can actually lose their lives. >> I think that's a real reality in mission work as a whole. That's I mean these countries that have strong rule and reign and you know all of the things that that foreign countries have to deal with. I think that's a real reality and I think that it's very serious and I think the people that understand that almost have a reverence that safety is kind of the utmost priority. You have to consider that there is such a in his persona of how he presents himself on social media and on all of this stuff that there is very little regard for safety of people and not just the people that the missionaries are serving but also the people on his team. And so that that utter disregard for that that it does trickle into that. >> It's one thing to lay down your life for the gospel. It's another to volunteer someone else's life. Like >> yeah, there is a way to go about it that doesn't put somebody at in jeopardy. The way that he presents himself on social media and it is consistent. It is not just this was a one-time deal and I made a mistake kind of a thing. He is consistent. >> All the time they're like Sean, how do you go around the world and how do you worship and oh I can't believe it. It's just I'm like HOW DO YOU NOT >> through how he presents it, how he presents the organization and he exploits people in the midst of it and there are consequences to those actions. >> Yes, he posted a picture. So, so we were encouraged not to post some pictures and be careful about the camp like not having any of the name of the camp. Like our trip leader was very specific and like some of these people have fled war from their country. They were refugees from ISIS which is was still in existence. Living enemies, living people who wanted them dead. and we weren't supposed to post these pictures out there for everyone to see with the location of the camp because it could endanger that person's life. There's Sean's taking pictures with people posting, this is fast forwarding, I kind of jump forward, but there are posts on his Instagram of him with other people from the camp. Unless he had a blatant conversation of, "You don't have anybody who wants to kill you, do you?" like, you know, like cuz I'm going to post this, by the way. Like, he's doing the thing that we were told not to do. And we we shared some photos of like kids and people hidden on our on our private Instagrams. That was a different thing. And then there were other people on the trip. One of our translators was very key in getting us around the country and very key in so many ways. They couldn't even come on this in this next trip. They couldn't even come to some of some portions of it because Shawn would be there and Shawn would have his social media and recording stuff going on. So, this very important person couldn't be there because if their family found out what they were doing, they would actually kill that person. They would they would hunt that person down and kill them because of the dishonor that it would bring on their very prominent Muslim family. So, it was ser it there was serious stuff. There's definitely more in the details of their stories, and we encourage you to hear them in their entirety. Things like Shawn Floyd telling Jane Doe, a newly turned 19-year-old girl that she needs to find her Muhammad when she gets out there. >> Like all these people are at his house, and we're having we're just having dinner and we're talking about Iraq, and we were like talking about the trip that Kelly and I ended up going on. and he starts making comments about how when I moved there, which I hadn't actually agreed to at that point in time. Like I hadn't even been yet, but it was like I knew that I wanted to, but like we hadn't never talked about it. People had started to like apply to go on that trip and so he just kind of put me on there and so we're just talking about it. Um he starts making comments about how I should go over there as soon as possible and find myself a man to marry because that'll just make my life easier. And I was 19, like newly 19 at the time. And he was like, "Yeah, you got to get over there and just like find your Muhammad and like go get married." And she was and he would like talk about me having kids over there like all and I was like, "Why are you talk?" And at the time I was so in such a bubble that like and I was so young that I like I was like, "Is this normal?" I guess I don't know. And looking back on it, I'm like, "Oh gosh, that was so inappropriate." So inappropriate. >> Also, while Jane Do was at that dinner table hearing comments like this from Shawn, listen to what he had to say about the missionaries who were at Iraq at the time. And he was like, "Yeah, we got to get people out there because the team that was out there, and I met the original team, I think like and I don't even know all their names. Like I never met them." And I think there was another one and a couple guys. I remember being at his house and he was like, "Yeah, those girls I guess they just really wanted to sleep around or like go crazy like girls gone wild because they just left Iraq and they haven't done any like like he I can't even remember everything that he said, but it was just so derogatory." And I was like, "Okay, where did that come from?" You know? I was like, "I don't even know them." And you're talking about them like they're crazy. Like just the language that it was like, "Oh yeah, they must have just like Arab men weren't good enough for them. They couldn't marry one of them and settle down." And then he started making like this is like one of my very first interactions like personally with him, right? >> It's like people come to me all the time. They're like, "San, how do you go around the world? How do you worship?" And oh, I can't believe it. It just I'm like, "How do you not?" >> Quick editor's note, guys. The reason she was at this dinner seeking to go to Iraq was because of the promo video Shawn showed her class about the great things his team in Iraq was doing. But this is what he had to say about his team there at the time. And Carrie also was aware on her first trip that they were recruiting to replace their team. >> I think they recruited me after the fact. I think somebody asked me to consider joining it and I had told them no because I just felt like it was weird that the whole team that loved missions and loved Iraq and wanted to stay in missions all wanted to leave at the same time. This is, by the way, from what we've gathered, not uncommon for Shawn to talk bad about people that have left his ministry. the testimonies that have come out so far, people have shared having heard as much from Shawn. >> What I would call gossip, you know, talking about people behind their backs. As I'll remind you from the beginning of this video, we're presenting this and then we're speaking directly to you, Sean. >> If Shawn believes something, but it's a lie. He has to restate it because when the truth comes in, you either have to receive it or push it back. And so when he is coming out and people are saying Shawn this is wrong Sean you're doing this Sean Sean he can't like to accept that he would have to hear it but instead saying you're woke and you're this and so if he can come up over top of the truth he's just reproing the lie and that's his shield to keep him from hearing the truth and that's just what I think >> and they said that they again with the like they said that they had talked to Sean about it. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that I have no idea. It kind of felt like Shawn was like the big like scary guy. Like everybody was like I'm going to tell Shawn. But like what do you what does that even what's he going to do? I don't think he's going to do anything. Like kind of kept people compliant in a way is that kind of hope of being able to reach your dreams and do kinds of things that you wouldn't have had the opportunity to do before because of his platform. he would he's always made those comments about anybody that he felt now are disloyal to him and he has done that very same thing like what he did to us in the video and um he has used those very same tactics to so many people to very varying degrees where he actually is slandering people slandering people by saying that he released them for moral reasons. He has slandered people by saying they're no longer Christian. He has slandered people by saying they're woke, leftist, whatever. He has slandered people by saying they were girls gone wild and they didn't deserve to be on the mission field. >> Basically, Sean spins a narrative for every person that would leave of like, yeah, they they got hurt, so they they left the burn or you know, you know, they went liberal or woke so they left or you know, kind of like >> Yeah. really really dogging people and speaking like really badly of people that would leave. >> And then back in America, I moved to Reading, California um where Sean Foy had just moved and I did an internship with him as a part of a ministry school. And then after the internship, I traveled around America with him. They know nothing about our day-to-day for let us worship and then over the years in various capacities helped with um light a candle and burn 24/7 and um officially as a paid paid role helped both those organizations with accounting and bookkeeping stuff. They know nothing about our financial uh situation. They're just regurgitating what Rolling Stone and all these other hack jobs are saying. Embittered, angry, upset uh former volunteers. These are not staff people. These are not people that were hired. >> From 2017 to 2020, I was the US national director, which was a paid position. Sincerely, Matthew Lily. >> I think he's a larger than-l life personality. And sadly, the church, people in the church have been groomed to ignore anything other than sexual allegations. So the the fact that this person I mean when it comes to how he treats the average person and the failures there people they just they sort of make excuses for that rather than saying hey this is not somebody with great character and they value the gift and the larger than life persona. >> How do you not than they do the actual character of the person Shawn has a track record of burning bridges everywhere he goes. It's like it's all I know. >> And all the leaders that are in the charismatic movement, they all know this about him, but they overlook it because of the crowd that he could draw and they overlook it because of the sort of cult of personality that he is. I I think the the value system and the charismatic world at large needs to change. Uh massive change needs to happen. >> As you've heard, these missionaries endured some pretty devastating orals and there's still so much more that they went through that we didn't get to share in this video. We've linked the website in the description where you can hear their full interviews and be looking out for M's, but here's a little bit from Jane Doe's exit from Light a Candle. >> So, there were a lot of instances that led up to this culminating moment you're about to hear. >> She was really gaslit by her leaders and made her feel that she was the problem. Shortly after that, and this this is all happening. I had the this assault had just happened. They're they've confronted me about pulling away. All these different things. Andrew and Kirsten I can tell are irritated with me because they're being told that I'm pulling away. And there was one day um Adam who Adam and I were we had become like co-country directors. He went out of town for his sister's wedding and he was gone. And they call Adam in. He's on Zoom and they say this is an intervention and I said what what had two weeks before that been like hey why are you pulling away and I remember being like I don't think that I am and she goes are you depressed and I said I don't think so I said I feel fine and at that point I think I had visibly started to get irritated with like Andrew and Kirsten like I I think that that's true I I'm not going to deny that And so we had just had some kind of runin and so I was like Sarah I've expressed my frustration you know about that but I was like other than that like I'm fine. And I was like I still love Iraq. And I remember she said it might be time for you to leave. Like she said that to me directly and then she also said it to our other roommate. She was like yeah I think it might be time for a leave. You don't want to do things with us when we do family or like they called it like family nights or team nights. Like it was kind of interchangeable. She was like you don't always want to do those. And I was like well we do them every day. like sometimes I just want to stay home cuz at that point we were living like 20 minutes from the team house and I was like sometimes I just want to stay home like if we've been out for 8 to 12 hours I don't want to go make dinner for the boys and then I she she talked for probably 15 20 minutes I'm weeping like absolutely in tears like I can't believe this like and just the things that she was saying about me like about how I wasn't following scripture that I was going against our leadership and she referenced, you know, the like sharing the gospel three times and then not coming back. She was like, I know that you still talk to some of those people. Like things like that were just like getting thrown at me. And I'm weeping and I look at the other two and the only two other people in the room with me are my other female roommate and then the man who assaulted me. So I'm like, I've got no no backup here. But I look at both of them and then I look at Adam who's on Zoom and I said, "Can you guys tell me what she's talking?" And oh, and they they she again adds that she thinks I'm suicidal. She said that again. She said that like multiple times. And I remember being like, "Where are you getting that? Like where is that coming from?" And I'm just completely broken. And I look at them and I say, "Can you guys tell me what she's talking about? Like can have you seen me act that way?" And all of them said, "We don't know, but Sarah's very discerning, so she must know. Sarah's very discerning." That was always like what they that was all they said was, "We haven't seen it with our own eyes, but Sarah's discerning. You can't tell her that she that the Holy Spirit isn't moving through her in this." And I said, "But I'm not suicidal." And Sarah goes, "Well, you must have some kind of spirit on you." Then they gave me, we had a a rental car that the girls were sharing at that time. The girls gave me the keys to the car to our house. The boys were going to drive them home later. They sent me home. I wasn't allowed to watch the movie with them. I didn't get to finish dinner. Like, we had dessert. Like, I didn't get to do that with them. They sent me home to think about it. The next day was a day that I normally would have gone with them to that refugee camp that's like 2 hours away. It was a It was a Friday I was supposed to go. They told me by message not to go. They said you're going to stay home. They took the car. They took the keys. And the way that like the houses work there, um it you lock it by key inside and out. They took the key. I was literally locked inside my house. I could not have left. I didn't have a vehicle. I didn't have anything. They locked me inside my house. Nobody spoke to me for 24 hours. So they told me I was suicidal. out of nowhere and then they locked me in a house. I remember during that time I called Adam because Adam and I at that point had like a pretty good like friendship. I called him sobbing and I was like Adam can you tell me what's going on? I was like what did Sarah say? Like what is happening? And he was like yeah it was her idea to lead this and he goes I haven't he had been gone for like 3 weeks at that point and he goes I assumed something bad had happened. He goes, "She told me that things had taken a turn for the worse with you since I've been gone." And I believed her because she gave me examples. Like she said all these things. And I was like, "Well, I don't like I don't know what she's talking about." And he goes, "Now that I think of it, she really didn't give me examples. She just swore up and down that that was true." And he apologized. And I said, "Adam, I'm leaving." And he goes, "Talk to Andrew and Kirsten. Don't book a flight before you speak to them." He goes, "They're still your leadership. you need to, you know, respect them. I reached out to Andrew and Kristen who were not present for the call but were informed. And I was also told, this is one situation where I don't actually know if Sean was involved or not. Um, because I was told it was brought to his attention, but he I never spoke to him about it. So, I really like I don't I don't know. I tried for a good like three or four days to connect with Andrew and Kirsten. I tried to set up a call. They weren't responding to me. So, I booked flights and I left. I booked flights and I left 2 weeks later. And I said that I was going to go back and I didn't. Kind of like what Aspen did cuz I I told my I left my stuff there. Like I I had all like the majority of my belongings were still there. I got back to the US and I at that point I was depressed, but um I wouldn't have said I was before. Um but I got to my sister's place and I didn't get off the couch for weeks and I was just like what happened? I have no idea what happened. And nobody reached out to me like from the team in Iraq. Uh Andrew and Kirsten all of a sudden since I told them I was leaving they were like oh we'll call you every day. They didn't call me every day but they said that and uh I did have a call with them and I was just like I just need some time. I was like this wasn't okay. Like this this wasn't okay. And they again said well Sarah's discerning. She must know something. She must know something. And I said but you're not listening to what I'm saying at all. And I was like no one can give me an example. again, all of the like I never understood and I I I don't understand like the things that they were telling me I was doing wrong. I never knew there was never any evidence of that, you know. And I'm not here to say that I did everything perfect. Like I was a young girl. Like I probably did flirt with a couple of guys. Like I pro like you know thing I was 21 you know. I don't know why that made me such a [ \_\_ ] in their eyes. And I'm using that word because it was used. You know I don't I I don't know what my problem was. Like I don't know what it was about me. And so I wrote my resignation and I sent it to them and they asked if we could call before they accepted it. And I said well I can talk to you on the phone. I at that point I was like, "Okay, I'll talk to you on the phone." But I was like, "I'm not going back. I'm done." We were deeply impacted as we were first editing through her story and definitely in tears. She was treated so terribly. I mean, they all were. So, how is it that Shawn and others like him in the Christian world, as we're learning, like his heroes, are able to lead on so many people. They get caught up in their organizations and sometimes harmed. getting so many people to support them, you know, people like us. So, >> not anymore, of course. >> Yeah. >> But share with us kind of a little bit of the history, what led to this >> wise man once said, "There is a sucker born every minute." >> Barnum, sir, PT, >> I've been examining the dynamics of what used to be called the con game. Quite fascinating. worthy of your study data. >> Sir, do you believe >> John Foy? >> To use the vernacular, >> yes, >> a con artist. >> Yes, I do. Data >> and I personally think >> it is our job to out con the con artist. Sir, >> in the hands of a con artist, the exploitation of innocent people. And that is what I believe has happened here. >> The shoe fits. And why are there are those that still so ardently defend him even in spite of all the clear evidence and testimony from his own ministry? Well, I recently heard this elder in the charismatic church that I felt like put it so well. And I mean, he wasn't specifically talking about Shawn, but I think was giving a word of wisdom in general for how these things unfold. I am specifically applying it to the situation with Shawn and other situations we've seen unfold. These were comments made towards Mike Winger, but I think we've all seen them in this space when we speak up. It's usually from the defenders of the people being called out. I think there's a real delusion with these folks who ignore the plain evidence before them. These sorts of people seem to live by what they see on social media. Ones like Shawn on social media and promoting all the great things he does and then they see someone calling Shawn to accountability. They don't see your promos of the great things you're doing in the Lord. And so they say, "Oh, where's the great things you've been doing?" It really reveals a superficial mindset that if you don't blast what you do for the kingdom all over social media, you must not do it. >> It's the unlived life. Somewhere inside most of us is a version of ourselves we suspect we were called to be and we haven't become more courageous, more free, more anointed, more fully alive. The refusal of that life doesn't disappear. It goes somewhere. And where it goes more often than not is onto a screen. We find someone who looks like they're living the size of life we've refused and we attach to them. We call that attachment devotion, but it's not really devotion. In fact, it's a slow bleed of our own unlived calling into another person's platform. The grifter is the perfect vessel for this because they've made the performance of that larger life their full-time occupation. They're not living it. They're broadcasting a simulation of it. And as long as we have not faced what we have abandoned in our own walk with God, we will keep sending them our attention, our money, our agreement. And we will resent anyone who tries to show us what the sending has actually cost us. And who would I tell? I don't I don't know people outside of that group. And everybody in the group that I've been around associated with Sean had done the same thing. and they were very very loyal to him in spite of what they said were not great qualities. >> It's why we still tolerate almost unbelievable contradictions in a leader if leaving that leader means leaving the only community that's ever felt like home to us. The grifter understands that without having to even give it a thought. They don't need to win the argument. They only need to control the door that lets you in or lets you out. Once they control who's in and who's out, they control what the people inside are allowed to see. Because everyone inside now knows at a level below words that to see clearly would be to risk exile. And exile feels like death. That's why the whole room and all the rooms of otherwise discerning people go quiet at the same time. They're not stupid. They're afraid of the cold outside. >> I've got to go. >> Baby, it's cold outside. Shawn and Kate, you have a wake of damage left behind you. Sooner or later, you're going to have to deal with it. And it's better to deal with it now in this life. >> So Sean, I don't find you an odor in the body of Christ. However, even by this standard, it's well beyond two or three witnesses, man. Not just any witnesses either. You're talking leaders in your own ministry, served faithfully for years. Some of them have gone public already. Many of them having tried to work it out with you privately. And so, I mean, when you're ignoring leaders of your own ministry who served you faithfully for years, you know, the ministry that you bragged on the great things they did, these were those people, part of them, you know, when you treat them like they're a Rolling Stone article or something coming forward, it shows that your heart is the one that needs checked, not theirs, man. Even if you felt they were wrong, the fact that you can't even come out and plainly speak to what's actually been said, but dance around things, even your recent lawsuit, you're acting like they said you didn't go on the capital tour. That's not what he said at all. Just want to remind you there's been some, you know, stuff out there that's saying that, you know, uh, people either gave money or were a part of this tour and we didn't do it. And I just want to say, no, no, we actually did, >> right? And we did 50 US capitals. We did all 50. >> Blood, sweat, and tears. >> We raised the money. We took the time. We got the permit. >> These are people that have served you faithfully. They have brought to account your character behind the camera that you don't show the public. And it seems apparent to me from all of these witnesses and even my own eyes and ears. Dude, you lie. You slander. and have all the markings of those that act with selfish ambition and greed. These are things laid out by Christ through the Apostle Paul about not even associating with such ones who call themselves believers yet do these kinds of things not to even eat with them, much less donate to them. For your own sake, Sean, repent. All the lies you guys try to use, I don't monetize. There's plenty of other things I could be doing to monetizing. I'm here because I care about those that you just run over and keep moving. Make it right with those you've harmed. Make it right with these missionaries and all the others who served you that believed in you that thought you were something different. Your theology seems to have taught you that resistance only means you're doing what you're supposed to and that you should even double down when you face it. >> You know that that's that's part of our family motto is we don't back down for nothing. You know, we double down. When we feel God move and we feel layers of resistance, we double down. And so, >> so I mean, do you not realize that God also resists people, Sean? He resists proud people. Says that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. That's a state of heart, man. >> And Kate, as a wife, surely you're not completely oblivious to these testimonies that have come forward. I mean, you've met some of these people yourself. So, is your husband telling the truth? Are these all just angry former volunteers and now missionaries too? >> When you have embittered, angry, upset uh former volunteers, these are not staff people. These are not people that were hired. >> Do I work for Rolling Stone? >> Not a chance that I got >> Do you really think that this many people have come forward and are just making something up and all conspiring to take Shawn down? If so, I'm afraid you're greatly deceived. >> Doesn't Sean say that Candace Owens is a conspiracy person and call the YouTubers conspiracy podcasters? >> Yes. >> Cuz that sounds like quite the conspiracy, dude. >> It does. >> Like that's a lot of people that are just conspiring. >> Mhm. Not to mention the fact that we personally know many of these people came forward independently of one another. >> But I believe you have partaken of this and I would call on you, Kate, to repent as well. Did you help to furnish and decorate these lovely multi-million dollar homes that you and Shawn have acquired? Did you make sure the mortgages for all these properties were paid on time? If you found mold in one of them in in one of the homes you guys live in or your parsonages or the homes you visit and vacation to in Montana or San Juan Capistrano, wherever they are, if any of these really nice homes was found to have mold in it, would you not do everything in your power to get that mold cleaned out so that you knew your family was safe? My guess would be the answer is yes. But did you likewise help Shawn to furnish the homes that you sent these young missionary women to stay in? >> I mean, how much convincing should a missionary take to get an AC >> or something to sit on or lay on other than a foam mat >> from the organization that's literally in place to ensure they're taken care of? >> Mhm. Did you help ensure that they received their money on time and in full every month? Did you do everything in your power to make sure the people who came to serve your organization, the thing that you and Shawn birthed together, as you say? Did you do everything to make sure that they didn't have to stay in a junky old home full of mold or be worried about if they'd get their money on time to pay the rent for your headquarters? I usually don't even see or hear from you, Kate. It's always Shawn in the limelight. But I've seen that you've come out now publicly and have taken ownership of the missions organization with Sean. >> We're going to keep illuminating the darkness and exposing things. >> And that's honestly where we came up with light a candle. Just go and do and be a light and support and be just >> and don't and don't let >> I signed up for it. I knew what I was getting myself into all those years ago. >> You didn't know what you're getting yourself into >> and we're still doing it. >> We're still doing it. So, I implore you to make it right with those who have been wronged by your ministry. Jane Doe babysat your kids. She cleaned your garage. I know her name. You know her name. Please listen to her story. Listen to what she went through trying to serve you guys and make it right. At the very least, acknowledged the harm that she went through. And if there's situations that you truly weren't involved in, then I would say call on your husband to make it right. I believe the fear of the Lord is returning to his church, even as it often is in history with the remnant of his people. But to be clear, it's not an hour to lie and cover darkness in his house. I mean, we all know Ananas and Sira were confronted by Peter over lies they told about their real estate profits. It's pretty serious thing. He wasn't required to give it all from what we read, but it seems more about the fact he was lying and pretending like he did straight in the face of God. In other words, lying to the Holy Spirit. Some may think he was doing this for social standing. Look, I'm giving everything for the church. And it says with his wife's full knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds for himself, but brought a portion and laid it at the apostles feet. Peter rebuked them and said they didn't just lie to men, but to God. And if you don't know the story, you can read for yourself what happened. But let it be clear, he didn't do this because he's cruel and merciless. God was establishing a holy, righteous standard in his church. I want to remind everybody, it is his church. He has the right to establish the standard, >> not man. >> And and we don't wish the fate of Ananas and Safhira upon anyone. >> Mhm. Despite what they try to say of us, they actually cast these kind of accusations on us. They call people in the church abuse space basically TMZ Christians >> who are accusers of the brethren. >> Yeah, Sean did so even recently bringing up Charlie Kirk. Honestly, that's something it makes me think of a video I did where I called out him and Joanie Lan. I was working on this video last week. I was going to potentially release it on Friday and it was Thursday and I had finished editing all the missionary parts on the timeline. I mean, I went in and added, you know, one more thing with the closing, but basically where I closed change at, you can kind of tell I was at the part in my timeline where it was on actually Laura Lynn and Michael Miller talking about the need for massive change in the church when my wife brought me news that Jody Lamb had passed. And I don't know, I just >> his eyes just swelled with tears and he was like immediately, "Please let her have repented." >> It was heavy. It was really heavy having really called from my heart relating to Jonathan as a son who's been through adultery and has been wronged really by both parents in a way. And I mean, I even cried and shared a lot of my heart in that video. Um, I'm not going to do all that here, but being that I was in that part of the timeline where also I was about to begin speaking to Shawn directly, I'm going to share it with Shawn directly as well, even as I did with Joanie that time. I think it's appropriate to share with you after what's happened. I know some would say that it's not, but for me, it is important that we always hope the best, right? You always hope that somebody realizes in their heart and soul and cry out to God to Jesus that their soul might be saved. We always hope for that as Christians, right? But there is the reality that like while love hopes all things, it also rejoices in the truth. >> So we have to weigh things with the truth. And the truth is I know people in this space that the fear of God has gripped us. And that's a real thing. And you know, like I'm not I like I I genuinely love Joanie Lynn. I thought that like, you know, maybe if she heard some of these wild guys in the outfield really calling to her heart that it could it could change something. And I'm sorry, Jonathan and Susie. So, I was considering and weighing what to say to Shawn. And I'm going to leave you with what I left Joanie with. The fear of the Lord is a real thing and it's not to be mocked. It's not to be scoffed at. It's to be taken seriously. I plead with you. Deal rightly with the people that you have wronged. Yeah, there there was a whole video, you know, where I laid out my heart, but so this part might be seem a little fiery. It was those excerpts, but I think that it's worth considering. You have decided the length of our lives and we are not given a minute longer contest fakeness. So I sit and listen and let God do the rest. >> You're just going to keep all just eating the pretense cake. Do none of you realize >> I feel like we're we're flames in the same fire. You know what I mean? Like you're a flame. We're a flame and we're just keeping the fire of revival going. The blessing of the Lord is upon this platform. The blessing of the Lord is upon this ministry and God is saying, "I reside here." >> So maybe you can hear Charlie on this. For far too long, you have allowed the voice and tongue of false prophets to tickle your ear, filling you with a false sense of peace and comfort and your wicked ways when there is no peace under such things, but rather a fearful expectation of fiery judgment. Joseph Z. For my eyes have seen and my ears have heard. >> Mommy ain't going anywhere. >> Joanie Lamb. Lord says you have passed. >> Yeah. The Lord knew wrong. If you do not repent, you will be cut low with the wicked even as you're already being exposed and the scoundrels who gather themselves around you. And Joanie, I assure to you, the word of the Lord shall stand. Will they not say to you, "Where is the whitewash with which you have covered this flimsy wall you put up? You are but a grasshopper, and the mansions you hide behind now will all be burned up." >> And in a moment, your life will be required of you. You will be brought to account before the living God. You will have to answer not for the facade you portrayed on camera, but for the woman behind the mask. You, Joanie Lamb, and all of your cohorts, those who seek to protect their power and wealth over the truth. You, Joanie Lamb, even you, you will be required to give account. And it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. So, Joanie Lamb, I call you to repent for your wicked ways, even while there's still time. Repent. If you repent, maybe you will find mercy. But if you cling to your wealth and self-righteousness, it will be even as Peter said, "May your money perish with you." For you thought the gift and blessing of God could be bought with money. Repent, Joan Lamb, even while there's still time. better get on the fish. >> And it really is sad because it's too late now for Joanie to ever go back and make things right with her son Jonathan or or anyone else. That time has passed. I truly and sincerely hope that she at least repented before God in her soul before taking her last breath. But it's not too late for you, Sean, to make things right with those you've wronged. do it while there's still time. We're not promised tomorrow. >> So, let me be clear cuz Sean's the kind of guy I mean, even you guys use worship to kind of beat your chest at people. >> I'm the only person standing by them and I'm praying for them. Meanwhile, Shawn in this group, they're like getting louder. Praise louder. Like, talk about a noisy gong and a clanging symbol. Like, >> that is not what I'm here to do, man. I'm really not here to beat my chest at you. Basically, Sean, the rebuke I gave to Joanie Lamb about 5 months ago, it also applies to you, man, and to myself and to everyone under the name of Christ. It's not something to play around with. Your mansions will burn up. Your money will perish, too. Why does he need you to have dominion over an earth that he longs to be consumed by fire? Do you really think that you're going to keep this charade going in the kingdom? Do you not understand? All of the armor of God listed in here, all of it is forward facing. None of it is backwards facing. In other words, what that means is that all of the resistance we face is because we're moving forward. Like none of it has like a back plate. None of it has like protecting the back, protecting the back of your legs, protecting the back of your head. No, no. It's all forward facing. meaning that we're we're called to continually move forward. You should at least listen to the ones you called hero. I'm not promoting Rick's book in the slightest, okay? But even Rick Joiner had the wherewithal to see that you do need to cover your back with humility. It's not just about having the front armor like you say or just keep pedal to the metal and just who cares if they fall to the >> side >> where we just need to go hard guys. We need to absolutely go as hard as we can put the pedal to the metal and we need to go see God move across our nation. >> I mean it's like it's not even like that in the military, man. We go back like we don't just leave somebody on the battlefield. Well, I don't even So, even in the place where you would expect more of a like gusto, like but that's not what this is. Did you know that in the kingdom of God, it is well pleasing to the father, a quiet and peaceful life lived unto him in worship and surrender? Did you understand that? What are you calling people to? Concerts? Concerts, I'm sorry, are not revival. Everybody understand the Lord moves at concerts. He moves in like boring waiting rooms. He moves all over the world. Like that. Isn't that what you guys are supposed to be the spirit people, but you don't seem to understand that the Holy Spirit doesn't just move at your events? >> That's what confuses me. >> It's so limiting of who God is. >> Yeah. They say they're the ones who break God out of the box. >> Yeah. >> But he's always in these big event centers. >> Yeah. To them. >> He's he's they get the really big box, you know. >> And since you brought up Charlie in light of your TMZ >> Yeah. You brought up Charlie to to throw dirt on us, but Charlie himself was the one, if you watch the video, he's the one that says that we should be shaming not even people in the church, just people in adultery and culture. What makes it even worse is all the people that were in the box alongside of it and they were quietly signing off on this. This is the second lesson. Are you quietly signing off on somebody else's sin? Are you quietly signing off on somebody else's adultery? Do you know it? Well, stop doing that. >> We can see clearly if there wasn't a collective shame within the body towards what Shawn Boltz was doing, he would have kept right on going. >> Yeah. >> He would have just kept the mask on and kept swindling people. >> A breakthrough, right? release, breakthrough, God. I pray that there would be a release of breaking through of finances, of paperwork, of properties, of everything we would need to bring Jesus his reward in this hour. And the just like the Lord said, let's not forget the judgment. The people heaped up for themselves teachers that would tickle their itching ears. Like we're going to like there's lambs, but then there's also those that are literally like the blind leading the blind and it's going south fast. >> You were on stage, Sean, that day, the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. You were on stage at Dayar shaking hands with Joanie Lamb >> while she was in sin. Like all of you guys that stood by complicit with her downfall and sin. You guys like you can't say what us who actually spoke up can like the word told us. If you've lifted your voice and you've spoken up and they still refuse to hear that blood is not on your hands. Quite the contrary. So Sean, where does the word say the blood is on? Those that refused though they saw the sin they refused to speak up. You guys right now need to take inventory. There's a fear of the Lord and the people that some of the people that I know. I don't know that there's a fear of the Lord in you guys's camp. Y'all are all dancing like she like speaking for Jesus. Like she's just walked right in the pearly gates and everything was good. Like he's a god that has no eyes or knowledge and that he isn't the one that holds the keys of life and death. It's not about who speaks what. It's about what does the Lord say. All righty, guys. So, I was basically going to close out here with some advice that Sean had given in the past that I felt he would do well to listen to. And, you know, that's where we were at. However, it was brought to my attention that Sean had said some pretty ghoullish things to borrow his terms and in real time like right now about people in the church abuse space. So, I mean, it honestly helps to exemplify the point that I'm seeking to make here. But unfortunately, it means I'm going to go ahead and knock out addressing some of these things. There's so much that could be said in response to these kind of heinous accusations being made in the open without any receipts or evidence. But just to suffice it to say, you know, I'm going to take time to address it and respond to it sufficiently. Even though in this video, I was only anticipating bringing forward and shedding light on where the ball was being dropped on Daughters of the Lord in dangerous territories. These YouTube investigators and TMZ style Christian critics are soulless ghouls and I want nothing to do with them. And I mean that. And neither should you. When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, we witnessed the demons inside of some of the worst people reveal themselves uh as they openly reveled and mocked his death. We all saw that, right? It was the crazy leftist demonic lunatics that were celebrating and mocking and making t-shirts and Halloween costumes mocking the fact that Charlie was assassinated. And it was disgusting and sickening. And people lost their jobs. And we uh we all witnessed that, right? We saw that. However, um what I didn't expect was watching professing Christians mock and celebrate the deaths of fellow believers over the last few days. >> I mean, you guys see the spin there. Basically, the wicked and heinous way that some of the people who came after Charlie Kirk's assassination, that's what he's putting the YouTubers who have spoken up in this space, he's putting them into that category with absolutely zero evidence at all. I mean, I don't know if you're going after troll comments again or something, but I'm not keeping up with that. Some people recommend touching grass when you're consumed about trolls and stuff. I mean, here's a short clip of me sharing some after Charlie Kirk's passing. I know others who shared similar. It affected us deeply. After seeing what they did to Charlie, >> it's bigger than you. I want you to remember the >> world has the burial of the 11 victims of China before they were great news from reason that >> do not reward bitterness slander outrage with your attention clicks monetization ignore the mom mentality and the self-righteous rage the fruit of many lives and ministries is being exposed in real time I mean I'll just say I I don't know what these guys think here's a quick screenshot even of a space that is in my view way more fun to be in and this kind of views isn't that crazy to get in that space. So like I don't even know if Julie Royy's has a 900 some thousand view video. Like if you understood about YouTube like this is not a place that's profitable. But these guys don't speak from a place of knowledge. >> Disgusting. These people monetize and make millions of dollars on the pain of others. Even here on this small channel, I haven't received one cent to confront you cronies. Even though for over two years, I've been able to monetize on YouTube. But not one cent have I received for calling you out from my very heart in the Lord. You can't rob me of that. No matter how much you accuse or blow hot air. Of course, that's not to give any weight or credence to the false accusations. I would be happy if many of the people speaking up in this place were receiving double or triple whatever monetization, you know, funds they are able to receive, but they try to make it like it's the rockar move to make for YouTube >> and make millions of dollars. And >> that just couldn't be further from the truth. And isn't it crazy too that Sean comes out and has all these own tiraates he goes on about it? But the very thing the people that came forward from his own ministry trying to confront and call to public account, he couldn't just respond to them directly. He couldn't just address the very real things they brought forward and speak to that because he says he he just doesn't have time to address every Roll and Stone kind of article. And he wrote them off. And yet he comes out all the time now just going on these things about people that are speaking to what actually happened in their lives. Some of them having signed up and risked their lives to be a part of your very ministry. What kind of man can't address that but wants to come out and speak so baselessly about so many people that have spoken up? Lots of people have spoken up as the Lord calls us to when there's such shameful sin in the camp on such a public level. Um, and and it just never ceases to amaze me when these accusations come out because I wonder where were these calls to question motive and integrity amongst themselves and their peers when people actually were putting out content to swindle the body of Christ. I I just wonder where were those calls then >> of breakthrough right now. Release breakthrough God. I pray that there would be a release of breaking through our finances of paper and properties of everything we would need to bring Jesus as reward in this hour. >> I mean, seriously. And uh we've had an incredible privilege of having Shawn BS out here with us. And he's >> we weren't on his board. We went to his board on a couple of occasions that did nothing. >> As John Mark put it, he calls us down from our high-rise apartments. >> Come down from your mountain, your highrise. They're here because the truth matters more. That they're willing to trudge through quite honestly the mud of being called everything from Absalom's and and Jezebels and Kora's rebellion to the accuser of the brethren himself. The resistance only makes us realize the stronghold that many of these men have had on the church. They grasp to hold their positions of power. I am so sickened with the response of so-called Christians and journalists and YouTube investigators. I call them the TMZ Christian mob. Their response is so sickening and it's so demonic in their death. Like, are you serious? It's amazing that you could be such a bold liar like you are. And like I said, you say you were the top of your class and stuff or whatever. So like you actually are smart. You know that you're manipulating people. You know that what you're saying right now is not true of us. And yet you're still willing to come forward and do it. That's there's no place in the kingdom of Christ for such things. And if you don't think such wickedness should be challenged, then why are you out here challenging? Are you not challenging what you're calling soulless schools and wicked baselessly based on your false witness even though it's rooted in your flesh and lies against us? Sons and daughters of the Lord. When you do it onto one of his children, you do it unto him. >> I am so sickened. >> What's sickening is that if it was up to you, Shawn Balls could still be abusing interns. He could still be over young men coming into his ministry, scarring them for life, the Lord's lambs. What's sickening is that men like that would stay in ministry forever if it were left to men like you. >> I mean, seriously. And uh we've had an incredible privilege of having Shawn BS out here with us. And he's >> we weren't on his board. We went to his board on a couple of occasions. They did nothing. >> And you know, Chris Chris was doing everything he can to kind of work with Shawn to either get him to repent, get him to go through process. The people that were on Sean's boards, >> they did nothing >> were people that were friends of Sean's. They would either be there for for fun and for pleasure for Shawn. totally going to be doing stuff together and >> uh where they'd go to Vegas and do their board meetings over a crafts table consistently or um they would be the money behind the ministry and he would just ask them for money and they would give money. Those are the two people that Sean invited on his board. You know, the two kinds of people. >> Yeah. So God, we do we pray that you'd release the angels of breakthrough right now. Release breakthrough. God, I pray that there would be a release of breaking through finances, of paperwork, of properties, of everything we would need to bring Jesus his reward in this hour. >> And if we're going to extend blame, let's let's extend blame to his best friends, to the people that actually know him and that desire to spend time with him on a regular basis when they can. And that's Sean Fo. >> Some prophecy, some prophetic stuff drop on you. And I you shared on Fox News and I mean, we were together. I think I was leading worship when that happened. You were you were leading worship. You could you can claim that. >> As much as he'd like to distance himself, you know, the slimy individual, he should be he should be asked about Shawn's involvement, his involvement with Shawn through the years. >> I just man the stuff he's doing right now in LA is just burning in my heart. And >> and so his board, you know, was sweeped under the rug because they didn't want to deal with this stuff. They never signed up for that. >> Releasing all kind of amazing teaching. And so I think the culture of honor says everybody has value. >> Yeah. >> And it it can be a pedophile and relating only to that good place and not worrying about the bad, >> right? >> The bad is for God. >> Cuz that's the thing. I mean Daniel >> crazy people like today saying that this it sounds insane but so many people believe this. They believed it carrying this fresh thing God's doing. >> So man, it's been awesome in LA. >> Listen, have some discernment. Get in the word. We cannot survive without having discernment. >> Some of you may have known that encounter that Bob Jones had and they had an angel that came through and he said, "I'm preparing the harvest field for revival >> in America specifically, but all over the world." >> So, you come from the midst of perverted false prophets and you have the nerve to come out here and slander us because we actually called them out. >> If there is some hanking around going on with the prophetic word of God, like you guys are in a lot of trouble. like you're in a lot of trouble >> when you were in a position of power to actually help do something. >> We went to his board on a couple of occasions. They did nothing. >> And you did nothing even by the testimony of Chris Valatin. What is he a petulant child now too? >> Petulent children. or is he a man that stated the facts of the matter in regard to actually trying to affect change and running into the brick wall of your carelessness just like many others have. It's the same crew of people, right? It's the same crew of people that feel like it is their duty and their calling to expose. It is their duty, you know, somehow they've been given this calling from on high. We're going to keep illuminating the darkness and exposing things. In fact, let's take a look at his calls to expose >> when it suits him. He frames it as a Christian duty to call out moral and financial failings of the world. It's bold, it's loud, and his followers eat it up. But when it comes to issues of immorality or corruption in the church, Sean's courage and boldness vanishes. I guess the megaphone battery died. >> Testing >> to uh call out everything and they >> Does it not amaze you that so many of the men that you claimed acclaimed as heroes? the grift from what's real and we can't trust my hero, my friend, the legend Mike Bickle. We're here at the House of Prayer and I am so excited for tonight. I'm You can't trust the legendary Morning Star Church and I'm here with Pastor Rick Joiner. >> This after former youth leader Ericson Lee pleaded guilty to crimes involving minors between 2019 and 2023. >> Can't trust. Hi, my name is Sean Foy and welcome to my you can't trust the word of God. But let's get in it. >> What does it mean when he says he's going to cause a strong delusion and to whom is he talking to? >> I mean, you are the one that said expose it all. Right? That's just with the world. Even though Paul was very clear that we're not here to judge the world, but to judge within the church. Why don't you do that? Why do you disobey the command of God through the scriptures and then call yourself the one that's supposed to be so great because you get photo ops? That's crazy. Frequently and almost always attack charismatics, only attack people that are conservative and they they they don't want to look in their own camp, their own their own camp. When I mean own camp, their own, you know, denominations or their own affiliations or whatever, which it is literally like, >> you know, you said you were in the top of your class, so I'll give you that credit that you're actually smarter than this. That you know better and therefore are purposefully being manipulative. You know full well that the people who have been coming forward to call you out are from your own camp, dude. Your own leaders. You can't speak with them directly. Not to mention, we were in your camp, man. We went to let us worship. We swed into your ministry. We believed in you before you were even, you know, on Fox News or whatever, you know, way back in the day. I've already been through this. >> Are soulless ghouls and I want nothing to do with them. And I mean that. And neither should you. >> They don't need to win the argument. They only need to control the door that lets you in or lets you out. Once they control who's in and who's out, they control what the people inside are allowed to see. >> They want to still listen to you. That's up to them. I think that people should be able to hear and see and judge for themselves. I don't need to scare anybody away from listening to you. Neither do I care though if you want to scare people away from listening to me. As we've already mentioned, I expect this to be a niche space. I think you guys are freaked out cuz people like Mike Winger blow the whistle at a larger level. In the wake of an hour where we need the church united more than ever before, we have so many people that are attacking each other, divided and distracted, and they feel like it is their role to tear down, tear down, tear down. >> So consider how this is the very reasoning good leaders used in Luther's time to try to shut him up and all that were with him, burning some at the stake. >> I'm interested in the truth. We on the brink of war. To the west lies a world of souls who have never heard the name of Christ. That is the truth. Christianity is tearing apart. And just when we need unity most, you create confusion. My goal is not to quarrel with the pope or the church, but to defend them with more than mere opinion. The gospel cannot be denied for the word of man. >> Just as Jesus told us, their fathers use the same line of reasoning that they do. You want to run your bus over the Lord's lambs. At that point, it's not just your ministry. It's the lambs of the Lord that are his ministry. The gospel cannot be denied for the word of man. Even yours, Sean, I don't care what kind of mini pope you think you are. >> I refuse to argue with that monk. And I was watching this really closely because you know when we were in Nigeria with a persecuted church, when I was in India with a persecuted church, when I was in these places over the last year where Christians are being martyed every day, they're being assaulted. They're being uh totally decimated. You don't you don't hear a word from these people, from these YouTube guys. They don't want to talk about the big issues in Christianom of the people being uh absolutely massacred. They don't want to shed any light. They want to attack people in America. They want to point out every little fault. They want to spread slanderous lies and rumors. >> I mean, first of all, I'm going to show easy and blatant proof that he's a liar yet again. And what he just said, >> but before that, I would just challenge you directly, Sean. Let it be known how many letters you've written with your own hand to those who are in chains overseas due to the gospel. How many letters have you written with your own hand and tears and heart and their language? seriously come back and answer for me. Let Kate come forward and speak actually so that maybe I could get a trustworthy testimony. >> Like I have no idea where I'm going and he is just screaming at me from the back seat. And and >> Kate finally like jumped in and was like, "Sean, you have to like you have to stop. You cannot like back off. You cannot talk to him like this. That's so mean. Like stop it." >> They don't want to shed any letter. and then let me know if the if there is any letters if they're there let me know how many of them you wrote without expecting any sort of financial benefit from it as part of the work of your ministry in fact I would like you to come forward with your wife let her testify to all of the ministry you've done in Jesus's name without expecting a penny or seeking a penny in return for it I would like to know the ministry you have done in this kind of way as Christ commanded without the boasting and the loud trumpets about all the great things you've done. Not with a camera, just in the dark of night and the love of Jesus. Because it's easier for you to write us off as soulless ghouls. You're the one that actually has evidence that you have acted as one who has had a seared conscience. And yet, I still would give you the dignity of saying the words that I say straight to your face. I'm not trying to boast about anything here. I know that I am an unworthy servant who only does his duty even on my best days. But these guys try to lord it over us like they are so great. But the fact is they're paid for hierirlings, half of them. And the other ones that actually don't boast and just put their hand to the grind and all about all the great things that they are doing, but about the work of the Lord and his ministry. Well, those such ones you don't see all over social media because that's not what they're here for. They think because we don't broadcast our good works all over as the Lord commanded us not to do, you men who love your trumpets and your greatness. They think because we don't do like unto them that we have no good works. It's hard for them to imagine that there's people that actually love the Lord and actually enjoy doing works in the secret place as he commanded them to be done. Oh yeah, here's the clip. Just from my last video, Allan notes what you've been doing, Sean. Right here at the beginning of the clip before we show you a liar >> with a persecuted church. They're being assaulted. You don't you don't hear a word from these people. I raise my hands up to you, oh Lord. And I dance with my feet. I dance with my feet. And I say, "Come and come and hold me, Lord, cuz I'm learning to trust you with the faith of a child. Trust you with the faith of a child." >> This is an emergency broadcast transmission. This is not a test. They're slaughtering our brothers and sisters in Nigeria. The government is not helping. In fact, sometimes they're helping the people and Christians, the Muslims and Christians. Go to truthnigeria.com to learn more. >> My goodness. >> We we may meet in heaven, you see. So, it is better I will not talk much. I will start something because if I saw my brother once again, I don't Wow. You know, um it's it's shocking that they were literally hunting down Nigerian Christians in their homes and killing them. Christians in Nigeria under severe persecution and they need your help. We need to raise awareness on this issue and get the word out because this is a very serious situation and we're going to unpack this story today. >> Well, the subsaharan region of Africa is one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a Christian, particularly the nation of Nigeria. And when people die, they want to, for lack of a better vision, they want to like defecate on their grave and mar their name in their memory. And this is so sickening. >> I don't know what is sour this guy's defecate on their grave. >> But he is speaking not by the spirit of the Lord. I'll put it that way. I'm not going to respond to his insanity here trying to conjure up wicked things to say against people. >> Who's in trouble now? What can we say now? Oh, let's comment. Huh? >> It's immaturity. You going off the deep end. I think you just like attention trying to tell me all your problems. I ain't got time for all this drama. You told me that you don't really want to talk and why you calling >> from a group of Libyan nationalists. But how you going to lie like that? How you going to lie like that? The lie detector determined that was a lie. >> Please share this. >> When you bear false witness like this, I've already warned you, man. You will not go unpunished. >> It is so demonic. It is so unbelievably ungodly and dishonoring. And I hope that you guys are seeing this. >> You go on and on for it's like a 15minute video. And he never once shares the thing that's so wicked evil and that he's seen. He never shows one thing of all these people that he slanders as being soulless ghouls. He never shows one example of why. Not one. What kind of person comes out with such heinous accusations and doesn't even have one example or one shred of evidence to bring forward? That is crazy. And such a thing. Yeah. I mean, if you're making videos like this, that is toxic. All I'm seeing is the same guy who's been known to bear false witness, who's been plainly shown to bear false witness, who's been plainly shown in a multitude of lies to still be continuing the same way. I hope this is a moment of, you know, the exposure people are being exposed. They have no fruit of the spirit. They have no honor. You know, even these so so-called exposure people. >> My name is John. if you would like to speak to me. Unlike your friends, I have no need of titles. You could call me an exposure ministry. You could call me a piece of dirt. It's not really going to make a difference. >> Like, they weren't they were hiding. They were wearing masks. They weren't they weren't standing up and rising up and pushing back the gates of hell over cities? >> Are you just throwing like anything that you think will stick with the crowd you're griing? Like the MAGA crowd or whatever? You think because I don't hinge the gates of hell on your concerts that I was doing nothing in 2020 for the Lord that I need to wear a mask? That is so weird, dude. Just because I've trained with Navy Seals and I've driven them around in the desert, that doesn't mean I get to call you a yellow belly or a coward or something if you haven't. I think that kind of mentality in the Christian world is so off-putting. It's so antithetical to the way that the Christ taught us to lead and to guide let him. Not to mention I was at one of your lettuce worship events. I realized it was a concert, dude. And before I was at your lettuce worship event, I was worshiping the Lord. Like that's not I don't know why that's so hard for you. Is that the only place you worship the Lord is on like stages and stuff? Is that why you think any movement of the Lord is defined by what you see on cameras? What about just a couple hundred years ago? This this culture that we live in of social media and endless videos of people going back and forth is absolutely toxic and disgusting. Man, you're going to have to speak for yourself. First of all, I was only on X for like the last 2 years of my life. As any of my friends and people in my life know, I've spent my life off of social media. So that's your culture, dude. And you're not even in the church abuse space. So what are you talking about? Like, do you are you following all of us or something? Like, what is up with this? He's like speaking as though he knows what everybody's saying. That would require you to have actually listened. And if you've actually listened and you're coming forward with this much willful ignorance, then man, that says all I need to know about your stiff neck and hardened heart. God is pleased with his followers who live a quiet and peaceful life surrendered and worshiped to him. He didn't add on there. Make sure you go to all the Shawn Foy Awakening concerts and do all the like that's that's y'all's stuff, dude. It's so odd coming from him, too, though, because he's always on social media. Like, he posts so much. I mean, Mike Winger is the only guy I've ever known to like make him take a break. And that break ended up being like >> 2 hours later. your participation. I can't do this. I was like, what? I thought like you were taking a break, but I guess he was probably and it was just cuz his lie was so blatantly exposed. He probably felt unnerved and he had to get off. But like it's not evil to call you out for slandering a brother when you're clearly shown to be lying. Like the check marks, dude. Even X called you out with a community note. even like and you're the one that's praising Elon Musk and Doge. Talk to him about your community now. And you know, I I you know, people are even on this thread, you know, what about what Trump says about I'm not talking about the president of the United States, >> right? And just like I don't really want to talk about Jay-Z. I don't want to talk about Taylor Swift, man. >> I'm talking about bornagain spiritfilled Christians with ministries. Like I'm talking about people that are supposed to be born again believers >> with ministry >> harming 17 young women harming a multitude of young interns. Your best buddy. >> We're here in Kona, Hawaii. Sean and Sean >> cuz he thinks it's okay to yourself over them. I'm talking about wickedness in places that are supposed to be holy and a safe place for the lambs of the Lord. That's what I'm talking about. As far as whatever you're talking about, I don't know. I've brought receipts and laid it all out on multiple videos very clearly by y'all's own words half the time. So like the fact that you can't bring one receipt, one example of what you mean to even show us something. >> And I hope that you'll join me and not I'm not going to be sidetracked like like we cannot give into this foul, offensive, demonic, pessimistic, cynical spirit that wants to divide and distract. I mean, being that you're coming here to call out and expose, I guess, the exposers, as you say, then that must mean you could only be bitter, angry. Um, what do you call this? I think petulent children. >> Petulent children, whining and fighting and complaining. >> I guess acting like a petulant child. All such things. These must be what you're doing then, cuz you're speaking up about something you see that's wrong. You must be all the things that you just said, right? >> Eocate on their grave are soulless ghouls, petulent children. >> Because that's as much evidence as you brought forward. Oh, because they're speaking up about what they find to be wrong in the church. They clearly don't care about the church. They don't actually care that lambs are being hurt. Nope. It's just got to be millions and millions of dollars in this small little Do you not realize you're on a spec, dude? I don't exactly know how to tell you this, but >> you're living on a speck. >> Is that the problem? Also, you guys in this N and this like hyper charismania, you don't realize that you're on a speck of a speck, man. >> Well, I hate to disagree with you. Oh, voice from the drain pipe, but I live in Whoville. >> Not like we're not the the big news of the world. Well, then who builds us back? >> Right. Okay. Seriously, who is this? >> We're grasshoppers. We're not here to be the next best thing. We are here to lay our lives down and worship to the king. And that's exactly what my wife and I have done and intend to continue to do until our last breath. You come out here and blatantly slander us and you know nothing of us. >> Disgusting. These people monetize and make millions of dollars on the pain of others. And I'm not just talking about Candace Owens. She does that, too. But these people are in the same spirit. >> So clearly, you've said a lot of vile and slanderous things. And you've brought forward no evidence to show those things have any bearing in reality. Can you explain to me how that's a different spirit than Candace Owens? >> Bound in church hurt. >> How can I be bound by something I've never had? You know, the scripture says we're supposed to care for daughters in the Lord like sisters in the faith. I mean, would you ever send your daughter or a sister overseas like you did those young missionaries? And yet, you think for a brother to speak up on behalf of his sister that it's anything less than what the Lord has asked of us? I don't understand guys like you. You told us you were appalled at sleeping conditions, specifically because of two women on your team. wi with outdoor grounds for thousands, two to 300 indoors, arranged breakfast, brought in a coffee truck, ready and clean a mobile home for Shawn and the two women traveling with him. He was appalled with the sleeping conditions of the lodging that was provided, especially after a very long few days. He also had two women traveling with him and could not put them through sleeping in those types of conditions because the accommodations weren't luxurious despite previous assurances that his team only needed quote a place to lay their heads in a shower. >> So, how appalled you must be to find out the conditions that the young missionary women you sent over there were left in. How appalled you must be. and everybody's bound and every pastor is all of a sudden a a pervert and every >> Just because your best friend was a pervert doesn't mean all best friends are perverts. My best friend's not a pervert. >> minister is all of a sudden embezzling and every you know and they they >> just because Kenneth Copelan is swindling the flock doesn't mean our local pastor is swindling the flock. This is one of the things that has been brought forward is that you exaggerate all the time. They're really making their case. These people speak to their own echo chambers and they rile everybody up and everybody's >> No, actually Sean, I'm talking directly to you and bearing witness in the public openly. You're free to not respond. Nobody says you had to. But to come on here with such a slanderous tirade, I mean, and then you're going to call us petulant children. It's wild stuff, man. The whole goal is to absolutely capture the body of Christ where we're perpetually fighting each other instead of standing firm in our faith against a common enemy. >> Right? But as true followers of Christ, our common enemies, our false teachers, our false prophets, our men of perversion and deviency, our swindlers, the greedy, those that are exploiting the body of Christ, those indeed are the common enemies of every true brother and sister in the Lord Jesus. And if those aren't your enemy, if if your common enemy is somebody that defends his sister or brother on the battlefield, then you might need to start considering why you would make enemies with God. And so I I don't know. I just feel led in my spirit to to to rebuke you. Is better is an open rebuke than concealed love. We are so wrapped up in our own selfish ambitions that we don't even have time to think about the rest of the world. >> Again, speak for yourself. If you're so wrapped up in your own selfish ambition, you don't have time to think about the world, then that's on you. But don't put that on us because we're speaking up about daughters that were harmed while they were trying to reach the rest of that world. No, sir. Doesn't pass here. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and land this plane and close out rebuking you with your own words. >> Uh researching again about Booth and the revivals in the UK and and what it ended up leading to the great awakenings. And uh there's this story where um they they sent these two women off to a city to leads to to start this mission. And >> as you guys know, if you've made it to this part of the video, Sean sent over some women to a city as well. >> This is what they wrote back to him. They said they prayed and did everything that they could think of, but still nothing happened. So they wrote General Booth requesting a transfer. Would you kindly move us to another station? We're so tired and disheartened. We've tried everything that we've been taught to do. Please move us to another location. General Booth's telegram in response was only two words to their request and the two words were try tears. You've made quite a few tirades now about people speaking up on YouTube about your former ministry staff and volunteers who have come forward. I'm sure you won't be happy about these missionaries speaking up either. You seem pretty upset about it and have been complaining about this back for years and you just seem like you're not having breakthrough in this area. And quite frankly, the allegations just keep coming. Sean, why don't you try your own savage advice? >> I mean, that is just so savage. Like, there's these two women that just like want to be delivered from this oppressive, you know, uh having breakthrough. And he just responds back, "Try tears." You know, >> try tears. what you said here using the missionary women and the booth story all the people you're sickened with anyone you've exploited you do this try tears try weeping for the people you've harmed maybe then you'll actually have some breakthrough and remember it was the Lord that commanded you to go and make it right >> all of these years do you stay in your face with every woman's tears while they say, "Where is God?" At a time like this, where is God?, Missionary Abuse Inside Sean Feucht's Ministry, YouTube, 01krnw9a00gvdp8m607s722e8p.