This Week in WordPress #297  ## Metadata - Author: [[WP Builds]] - Full Title: This Week in WordPress #297 - Category: #articles - Document Note: 1. What is the main theme or focus of This Week in WordPress #297? 2. How do the various sections in the document connect or relate to each other? 3. Are there any notable updates or developments in the WordPress community mentioned in the document? Short Summary for [This Week in WordPress #297](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA) by [Merlin](https://merlin.foyer.work/) Video Title Summary: "WordPress Weekly Update: Episode 297 - Get Social Karma by Being a Helpful Contributor." [00:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=7) Discussion on contributing to WordPress ecosystem [02:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=166) Discussion about weather and introductions [07:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=429) How to comment on the video using the chat feature [09:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=560) Discussion about upcoming WordCamp events [13:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=803) Page Builders Summit speakers include popular names. [15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=933) WordPress 6.6 Release: New features and improvements [19:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1153) Automatic updates with rollbacks are now enabled in WordPress [21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1288) Automatic updates provide protection and support for newer versions [25:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1522) WordPress introduces grid layout and new styling options [27:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1630) GoDaddy sponsors WC Fellowship to empower underrepresented speakers [31:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1872) Encouraging contributions to WordPress events [33:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1988) Call for extending travel funds to active WordPress contributors [36:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=2217) Supporting diverse representation at WordPress events [38:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=2334) Highlighting the importance of speaking out against issues even when it's exhausting. [42:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=2569) Support for independent voices in funding and speaking opportunities [44:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=2692) Recognizing contributions and acknowledging challenges in WordPress sustainability [48:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=2931) Impact of individual contributions on projects [50:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3052) Balancing recognition and pressure for contribution [54:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3297) Tracking non-code contributions and individual impact in open source projects [57:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3422) Recognizing and addressing the challenges of big projects [1:00:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3642) Contributing to WordPress can take many forms [1:02:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3767) Advocating for recognizing contributors without badges [1:06:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=3990) WordPress event in London with speaker opportunities [1:08:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=4104) Discussion on AI in WordPress and a new plugin for code writing [1:12:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=4340) Wisdom Labs add-ons for LearnDash are now available [1:14:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=4458) Community announcement about personalized WP plugin [1:18:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=4684) Showing users where to go is good UX [1:20:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=4808) Preference for simpler plugin activation process [1:24:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=5056) Prioritization challenges in open source [1:26:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=5191) Global Accessibility Awareness Day happening on May 16th, 2024 [1:30:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=5453) Apple's avoidance of spending on external agency [1:32:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=5568) Witnessing the beauty of a meteor shower for the first time [1:36:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=5785) Pacher makes big hands --------------------------------- Detailed Summary for [This Week in WordPress #297](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA) by [Merlin](https://merlin.foyer.work/) Video Title Summary: "WordPress Weekly Update: Episode 297 - Get Social Karma by Being a Helpful Contributor." [00:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=7) Discussion on contributing to WordPress ecosystem - Exploration of roadmap for WordPress version 6.6 and its potential features like the page builder Summit - Insights on contributing to WordPress, obtaining quality of service from contributions, and acquisition of a LearnDash add-on by WPS Stella [02:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=166) Discussion about weather and introductions - Michelle Fette's impressive bio and work in the WordPress community - Peachy in Spain experiencing much warmer weather [07:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=429) How to comment on the video using the chat feature - You can post in the comment box on the right or underneath if on mobile. - If you want to be anonymous, use the chat embedded in the video at the top right. [09:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=560) Discussion about upcoming WordCamp events - Details about WordCamp Whitley Bay and availability of tickets - Personal experiences of attending WordCamp as an attendee [13:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=803) Page Builders Summit speakers include popular names. - Presentations available for free viewing for 48 hours after the scheduled time. - Option to purchase the Page Builder Power Pack for access outside the free viewing period. [15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=933) WordPress 6.6 Release: New features and improvements - Upcoming release on July 16th, with enhanced site editor views and side by side layout for pages. - Focus on pattern building for easier content creation and editing in the editor. [19:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1153) Automatic updates with rollbacks are now enabled in WordPress - Automatic rollbacks are activated for plugins if an update fails - Users receive email alerts in case of update failures for quick action [21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1288) Automatic updates provide protection and support for newer versions - Manually hitting update button allowed for manual rollback feature - Support for PHP 7.0.1 dropped, encouraging development with newer versions [25:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1522) WordPress introduces grid layout and new styling options - WordPress now allows mixing and matching colors and typography separately for more design combinations. - Consider using custom post types if data filtering is needed, else stick to using patterns for static content. [27:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1630) GoDaddy sponsors WC Fellowship to empower underrepresented speakers - Fellowship aims to empower underrepresented speakers at regional and flagship WordPress WordCamps - Each WC fellow will receive a stipend of up to $1,500 to support conference attendance [31:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1872) Encouraging contributions to WordPress events - Contributions can come from individuals, not just big companies like GoDaddy. Even small amounts help. - Attending WordCamps can be expensive, but supporting individuals to attend and speak positively impacts the community and benefits sponsors like GoDaddy. [33:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA&t=1988) Call for extending travel funds to active WordPress contributors - Article highlights the importance of inclusivity in WordPress events and the need for companies to support active contributors financially. - Author emphasizes the value of hard work put in by contrib - Summary: This text discusses updates and conversations happening within the WordPress community. It touches on events, contributions, and the importance of communication among community members. The author emphasizes the value of user experience and accessibility in WordPress development. - URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoFPXsyOBA [Music] it's time for this week in WordPress episode number 297 entitled get social Karma by being a help tributor it was recorded on Monday the 13th of May 2024 my name is Nathan Wrigley and I'll be joined by three fabulous people today first off my co-host this week is Michelle frett and then the guests are Tim Nash and pach AR it's a WordPress podcast so what do we talk about well WordPress we start off by looking at a road map for 6.6 the version of Wordpress coming up next what might be included what interesting features are there going to be the page builder Summit is back you can get your free ticket and we talk about that the wp Community Collective have joined forces with GoDaddy to help promote underrepresented speakers at WordPress and there is some money available for word Camp us we also talk about the fact that WP LDN is looking for speakers some AI podcasts that I did over on the tavern and WP builds and then we get into a really long conversation about what it means to contribute to Wordpress how can your contributions matter how can you get qos from your contributions and it really is the topic of the day we also talk about Stella WP acquiring a learn Das add-on from wisdom labs and we talk about the Northern Lights it's all coming up next on this week in WordPress this episode of the wp bills podcast is brought to you by GoDaddy Pro the home of manage WordPress hosting that includes free domain SSL and 247 support bundle that with the Hub by GoDaddy Pro to unlock more free benefits to manage multiple sites in one place invoice clients and get 30% of new purchases find out more at go. [Music] mewp builds and by Blu host redefine your web hosting experience with Blu host Cloud managed WordPress hosting that comes with lightning fast websites 100% Network uptime and 247 priority support with bluehouse Cloud the possibilities are out of this world experience it today at bluehost.com slcl hello hello hello hello there this week in WordPress episode number 297 coming you from a hot and sticky England it's about 20° cenade which is not that hot but for us folk in the UK this is ridiculous uh I got all the windows open and there's some Workman going on outside and so we'll see how that goes a little bit later I might have to leap and close things but um very very nice to have you with us I'm joined by as you can see if you're looking at us and not listening to us joined by three fabulous people the first is Michelle frette she's our co-host for today how are you doing Michelle I'm doing well thank you I still have my furnace on it's that ridiculous how how easy it is to forget how much you complained about the cold and now I'm just thinking bring me the C I want a little bit cold um Michelle is joining us from Rochester New York but's give her her proper bio Michelle fette is the director of community engagement for Stellar WP at liquid web more on that later they've got a bit of news for us this week in addition to her work at Stella WP Michelle is the podcast Barista WPC cof talk.com co-founder of underrepresented in tech.com creator of wpsp speakers.com um care uh creator of WP career pages.com the executive director at post status.com reiky co-host of WP motivate which is a podcast and another one is the audacity marketing podcast the wp constellations podcast is another but aside from that she likes to write she's an author and a frequent organizer and speaker word press events as I said she lives outside Rochester New York where she's an avid nature photographer we'll see some of that slightly annoyingly later as well you can learn more about her at meet Michelle Dot online thank you for joining us once again Michelle my pleasure good to be here good morning good afternoon and good evening good morning good yeah what was it what was it David Frost used to say hello good evening and welcome uh we'll not do that and there there there's Peacher peacher's down there she is in Spain I'm going to say hoping I'm right and I bet it's not 20 degrees is it I bet it's like 28 or no it's probably 27 i' would say if it's got warmer in the last few days so yeah I don't know how you cope I don't it was really really cold he was like 19 for not really cold yeah yeah that's right oh how we long for cold days of 19 degrees pacher ner is a ux and accessible design lead consultant and speaker that that's all we got for pacher I don't know if you want to say anything else but that's the one line you submitt okay no okay all right well we'll find out more about you as the show goes on I'm sure and sir Tim Nash how you do I don't know why I want to say Sir Tim Nash every time I say your name noted it sounds like a knight's name I always feel I'm reading a book about Queen Elizabeth at the moment and I keep thinking you know it'd be nice up in several passages later on right I don't know about this I I glanced my eyes across your bio but here we go I'm going to read it as it's written uh what can I say about Tim he has simply been since for what seems like forever with a sigh and the looks he now fulfills the role of old man shakes fist old man shakes fist at the clouds at WordPress community events a professional Dooms speaker WordPress security consultant he would really like it oh this is a good bit he would really like it if you signed up for his newsletter at Tim nash. co.uk newsletter that's not hard to remember the next issue of which goes out this week and it's really quite good he wrote that but I said it and I meant it because I get it and I actually read it um as you know because I sometimes reply and give you give you my thoughts on it so there you go so there's our panel thank you very much uh little bit of housekeeping just before we begin if you want to join in the conversation and honestly the show is better when you do don't be shy the best place to go is wpbuilders docomo there it is uh forward SL live once more wps.com slve if you go over there you got two options you can either be signed into YouTube and use a Google account and then you can post in the comment box on the right or if you're on mobile it'll be underneath or if you want to be anonymous the platform that we're using to get the video out to you uh has a little chat embedded in the video so at the top right of the video where the little word WP builds logo is there's a little box which says live chat and you can uh you can just put your name in there you don't have to surrender an email or anything like that at least I don't think you do uh no it just asks for your name and you can put a comment in there and it'll come onto our platform and we'll be able to see it a bit like these look here comes some Robert K says uh genetic modification or I guess GM means good morning but uh hello nice to have you rob uh it was very nice I was on Rob K's podcast this week with the venerable uh sir Bob Don there's two of you that's and also hello from Germany said bigit hold tight bigit we've got some of your stuff coming our way today uh Cameron Jones who was on the show just the other week says good evening from Australia I dare to imagine what temperature is like that friendly web guy good afternoon from slightly overcast barkshire oh I I'll take overcast here it's blazing it is cold no he doesn't he says it's cloudy and rainy in Toronto I think Nathan sent it to us yes I have rain and cloud in abundance not just out in the sky but in my head um Mike Johnson is joining us cloudy and cool in Lisbon hi Mike Mike and I spent absolutely ages at word Camp Europe in Athens in the same room he had bless him when you do a WordPress event and you're a media partner and you do interviews somebody from the organizing team has to sit in make sure that you don't like contravene any of the code of conduct things and uh Mike bless his soul had to sit and listen to me droning on with interviews for about 7 hours and uh he was very good about it so thank you he says who's getting excited about word cam EU I am I'm getting I am yeah getting excited uh and Peter ingol ah here we go normality is restored hello everyone he says it's a sunny and cool 10 degrees Centigrade on this beautiful Connecticut morning did you enjoy the solar storms don't even begin that conversation we've got that coming later and it is a it's a Litany of disappointment it's all I'm going to say uh Alex stand from all us H professional Doom speaker Alex lik that uh beaches saying hi everybody and replying in the comments that's really nice and uh okay I guess that's all of the different bits and oh no there's one more Alex standerford Michelle my coffee cup is dream at work today mine is a one of one of a carrying that go WP had for me oh yeah looks a bit bit racy that one and i' Wonder Woman got a glass of slightly bubbly water so this is my throat so there we go drop in some comments please feel free if anything comes into your head just drop it in there well you know keep it clean keep it on message but aside from that I have Courtney Robertson says I have word Camp Monclair before word Camp Europe hoping to find Michelle at both nice I will be at both yes I will see you there the uh the work Wily Bay tickets by the way if you're in the UK the only the premere and only event uh going on oh Peach has gone um hopefully she'll come back um is word Camp oh here she comes here she comes is word Camp Whitley Bay and the tickets are available I think there's about 73 remaining so if you fancy a trip up to the Northeast I think Newcastle that's the nearest place of of bigness uh it's happening in July I want to say and it's on a Friday so uh he you going Tim because I know you went last year do you think you're going to go yes yeah I decided this time I didn't want to necessarily speak but okay but I'm gonna go as a I'm gonna go for probably I think the first time in my life to any workout just as an attendee oh you're not going to know what to do with yourself been there just as an attendee I've always it's really fun yeah I did that last year for the first time I think at work at Madrid and I loved it it's amazing I really recommend it you people are extraordinary I've never been to a word count spoken I couldn't do that there's no way I could do that it would I would just be a mess of nerves I just wouldn't I can't do that kind of speaking I can do this until the cows come home but put me in front of a crowd even like a crowd of four toddlers And I'm like just to be honest any anybody is who can deal with four Toddlers and still doing quite well yeah yeah oh well that's amazing so I bought my ticket Tim so I hopefully I'll see you there all things being equal that's really nice okay let's share the screen and get on with the bits and pieces that we've got today I confess I was in a bit of a rush um because of this thing which we'll talk about in a moment I'm I'm in a bit of a rush so I sort of cobbled the news together today so I'm hoping that the panelists are going to chip in and help me out and also your comments are going to help me with all the bits and pieces as well but here we go firstly a few bits of self-promotion as we always do at the beginning this is our website wps.com you can see that we are proudly sponsored by Two Fine companies we're sponsored by GoDaddy Pro and blue host and if you would like to keep in touch with everything that we do uh just put your email address in there and click the Subscribe button I mentioned just a moment ago uh an event which is coming up been working hard on this for quite a while now and everything starts to come to a head at this point you know all all of the different bits and pieces that you remembered that you forgot to do that kind of thing is now hitting and um it's episode number seven if you like it's version seven of the page builder Summit it's happening between the 20th and the 24th of May what else is it to say if if it all works out as we hope there'll be about 40 speakers it's live every day Monday through Friday with sort of networking sorry Monday through Thursday with networking on the Friday if you go to pageb summit.com and you just sort of scroll down you can an inclination of the the people that are speaking Yeah there's a few there that you might have heard of Paul Charlton Shannon my turn Dave Foy Jamie Mar Sarah masy I'm just picking him at random Josh Hall bod Krauss Haley Brown Nicole Osborne Amber heims Donata strikes skill R and the list goes on down down down we go and if you want to join us like I said go page Builders summit.com stick your name in there email in there and uh and you're Off to the Races we'll keep you I already got my ticket I'm registered yeah it's free if you want to um if you want to watch it there are certain Rules of Engagement if you like but basically if you want to see any of the presentations they're available for 48 hours so if let's say Dave foy's one is on Monday at 9 o'clock it isn't I'm just making it up but if it was on at 9 o'clock on Monday morning you'd have it you'd be able to watch it for free until nine o'clock on Wednesday morning and so it goes and if outside of those times you want to see it well we've got this little thing called page builder power pack which you can purchase as well anyway there you go page Summit dot I'm chuckling at Cameron's comment in Cameron what does he say here we go he says Nathan doesn't want to admit it but it's not his public speaking skills that issue it's because he's boring well and on that bomshell you know I'm gonna give up he's right I think I think he's this is this is this is basically what my wife tells me on a regular basis how not to get invited back on to do soor that also decline feature that Nathan built into the Cameron thanks see again maybe Cameron's had a few beers anyway I don't mind it's all water off of Doc F I know it to be true here we go WordPress 6.6 is coming around the corner fairly soon this is one of two articles that an Zazu otherwise known as an McCarthy who produces just outrageously large amounts of Wordpress content um she's produced this piece it's on the make WordPress uh blog make. wordpress.org I will put the links in the show notes as I always do and it's uh it's can you believe it we really feel like we've just dropped 6.5 and 6.6 is due to be released on July the 16th so a little over two months away shorter release cycle she says and it builds upon lots and lots of the bits and pieces that have dropped in 6.5 I've highlighted a few different bits and pieces I'm just going to mention them and then I'll leave it to our panel to thresh out whether they like any of them or not or what they think about them and it says here building on the initial launch in 6.5 the new views in the site editor continue to be refined and enhanced you'll be able to manage all templates manage all template Parts manage all pages um and also for Pages a new side by side layout if you're looking at the page you might get an inclination of it there it is a new side bys side layout will be introduced so one can see both a list of all the pages and a preview of the currently selected page I kind of think that's quite nice addition I guess if you've got enough screen real estate that'll be all right um for patents templates template part management will be removed and integrated into the current overall patn section let me move down a few initiatives have coming together to allow one to focus on building with pattern rather than granular block editing this seems to me to be the thrust of lot lots of the marketing coming outside coming out of Wordpress at the moment is just use patterns for all the things more patterns use patterns make patterns deploy patterns save patterns sync patterns just do all things with patterns uh so this zoomed out experience in the editor when in certain p uh inserting patterns inserting easy for you to say uh to give you a high level overview of the site so you can sort of see it there it's kind of like it gives you a bit of a view so you can see more than just like a narrow it's narrower but longer if you know what I mean uh ability to shuffle top level patterns with a temp within a template to quickly explore alternative patterns I'll move on uh did I want to mention that oh yeah so this is really cool Jamie Marlin showed it off in a video which we mentioned last week this is the ability to within patterns to kind of block certain things to say I want my client to be able to change the background color but not the text of that pattern or I want my client to be able to change the text but not Crown color and then that could be a global pattern uh it could be a pattern which you decouple from Global so in that way it offers loads of ability for you to give your clients bits and pieces that they can and can't edit um there's various different pieces about design tools and color pets and oh all sorts going on and on and on and right at the bottom this one is my favorite although I don't know how well this will be introduced at the beginning uh grid layout um the idea of adding grid variations for the group block that will allow you to display blocks within a group as a grid ' be nice if we could figure out how to get the full monty version of in there but I don't suppose will anyway there was my little little soup I don't know if that's the right French phrase but I'm going with it um of of what is coming in WordPress 6.6 so I'm just going to throw it out there if any of you three have read that article and feel like you got something to contribute I'd like us to scroll yeah you want the B at the bottom that I never remembered about where do we go where we I feel that um if you're going up a little bit keep going down no no keep going up up oh up as in down that kind of up left no the other left there we go okay so obviously everything Guttenberg is Gutenberg and to be honest I reckon about 90% of people are now reaching editor fatigue syndrome and don't care about patterns and things uh so there are some nice features that are not related to the editor the biggest of which is uh for auto updates are being enabled uh with rollbacks so that means that if your rollbacks have been in WordPress for a little while but if you manually did an update and something went horribly wrong WordPress would go not a problem I've just rolled back that plugin carry on uh now that's being enabled on automatic updates which means you if a plug-in fails on an automatic update it will just roll back and you'll so is that so if you set automatic updates let's say you got a WordPress site you got 10 plugins on there you set everything to automatically update core plus all the plugins as one yeah yeah right if one of them fails for reasons unknown we word press will automatically say okay that failed let's just go back to the previous version do you know um if you get an alert or something like that like I have have a feeling you get an email or something to say your s you get an email say you get an email and it it reference is it on the plugin page as well and so then I guess it's time to speak to the developer of the Plugin or maybe even the developer of the plugin from their own knowledge will probably hopefully figure that out but um but that's really cool so pre preventing more white screens of death basically more and taking away that last sort of um argument that oh I can't I can't set automatic updates because um the things might error well now things will just correct themselves if that happen right I think this combined with a lot of people seem to uh be really hesitant to do automatic updates CL thinking that they are better than an automatic update system and they're not we're not robots why on Earth do we think we're robots and press buttons and do this manually um so this has been one of those little barriers to getting people to arguments are well I will know if there's been a if something breaks now the fun part of this is that the man it's manually if you've been hitting the update button manually roll back has already existed you just right right you didn't yes yeah yeah yeah and so all of these people have been doing it manually have been being protected by this and not realized it um which I find quite funny in its own way so now on automatic updates everybody gets the benefits and also if you scroll up just a tin now up Asing down that that version of up yeah okay you you also have dropping sport for PHP 7.0.1 okay uh which is just you know they're only 10 years out of date it's we we we can Pro but this the figers Usage Now are so tiny and very few people were over on 7.1 most people jump to from seven to 7.2 anyway uh so that minimum supported is now bumping in up meaning that there's a bunch of stuff that can be done in core to change across it means plug-in developers Now can do a lot more with types and there's a lot more guard clausing that we can do because of that and so you should see improvements in plugins and less failures generally so two things I want to highlight uh because I realized that we're going to have multiple articles about G and bird and it's often hard not to re to understand that there are other things happening in the WordPress yeah la and they are quietly little things like this have been happening a lot over the last year or two chipping away at those little features that most people won't notice are actually making life so much better do you know Tim just sorry uh pacher sorry Michelle just to carry that thread on for a little moment do you know so let's say for example I had a plugin which was automatically updated it failed it rolled back to the previous version do you know how that do I then have to sort of disable the disabled update if you know what I mean do I have to go back into the back end and say okay actually reenable this or do you know if it'll retry on the next version it will retry on the next go okay right um and and so the if there's if the developer pushes a fix it will get the next version check will spot that it's bumped up a version and add it anyway um but it will reach for a regardless because it could have been a conflict with another Plugin or other things could have been the way it's not a fullprof system we're still at the there were still potential edge cases and that's why you you will find that there are still uh things people B hosting companies have got their like their own updating systems they they're probably still a little bit smarter than this is but this is a massive step and if you are the sort of person who has been hesitant about 30 on automatic updates this should be the thing that pushes you over the edge and gets you to do it so if you're not using automatic updates shame on you at this stage shame on you says Tim uh she make some mental note to go check all of her web that's right yeah so that you don't change some settings go and check that's right um okay so pacher Michelle the floor is open if you have anything you want to add about that arle I mean what else is there to say yeah okay in loads I mean I I obviously I just can't cover everything you can see that I've read it through and I've added my own little highlights but honestly there's a ton of new things uh intended for WordPress 6 I'll just go through you know it's a lot about design tools mix mix and match typography and color palettes from from all style variations this is actually really cool there's a little video here where um I guess it's an has made a little video where she mixes and matches so the colors and the typography are separate and in this way you can get dozens and dozens more combinations than you used to be able to do uh syncing specific blocks and attributes of patterns I think we sort of mentioned that expand expanding block style variations uh for more styling options that's probably what I was referring to just a moment ago and the grid layout that we mentioned and there was a comment that came in from uh Keith Keith Devon hi Keith any advice on when to use a sync pattern versus a custom post type for things like testimonials good question don't have an answer luckily question Alex does uh or at least he's got his own experience he says for me it depends on if I need a fil uh need to filter the data if I do I make it a custom post type or subcategory otherwise I make it a pattern so if there's no filtering of that data needed just you're saying stick it in a pattern because it'll be static and okay uh and thanks go to Alex for doing that and Courtney says this post also covered the deprecation of the Ajax bit allowing onboarding wi wizard redirect we're coming to that uh we're coming to that Courtney so uh we'll that's why I didn't mention that that was actually intentional that's the first intentional thing that's happened during this show uh okay right in that case let's move on let's go I think that's more yeah there's another article about more or less the same thing but it kind of um goes into more detail about the design process so I'll link to that in the show notes as well here we are right here we go this is a nice bit of Community News the wp Community Collective otherwise known by the acronym the wpcc and GoDaddy launched new program to empower and promote underrepresented speakers in WordPress so this is a press release that came out about six days ago now and I'll just read from the top the wp Community Collective is designed to announce uh delighted to announce that go GoDaddy WC Fellowship um it's first corporate sponsorship within the WordPress Community um the WC Fellowship aims to empower and promote underrepresented community members who are speaking we'll come back to that word in a moment speaking at Regional and Flagship WordPress word Camp so there's a fairly constrained set of criteria there you got to be a speaker and it's got to be a regional or Flagship so Asia uh us or Europe and Adam Warner uh who we've had on the show says this program isn't just about funding it's about fostering connections offering visibility and ensuring that our community reflects the broad spectr of people who contribute to Wordpress what is the me the bones though well it's this um each WC fellow so you know a recipient of this award will receive a styp end of up to $1,500 to support the attendance of the conference including contribut today applications for this will begin on the 7th of May so they've been open for a few days now and the event in question is word Camp us which is happening in Portland Oregon later this year so so if you go to this well actually the URL is really long it'll be in the uh show notes but if you just go on the wp Community Collective wpcc uh blog I'm sure that you will find it there it was released on the 6th of May this article okay um anybody want to contribute to that before we move on to some slightly related piece uh you could take comment down for Courtney so we can see more of the page but um I'm excited about this oh thank you apologies uh okay I'm excited about this I think you know I mean I think everybody knows I do I do a lot of work um in underrepresented communities and I'm very excited about the fact that more people are stepping up to create opportunities for underrepresented folks I know that there's a lot of work still to be done but this is a huge step and I think that companies putting forward some kind of um program like this makes it just it just it makes me happy it just is one of those things that it it's it really helps move the needle forward as far as the work that we do for underrepresented communities within WordPress for sure and um lovely little comment coming in from Matt G boots on the ground Matt G is one of the um people organizing word Camp Canada word Camp a and um he says it'd be really great to bring in some indigenous voices to wordcamp Canada through that program so there you go from the horse's mouth as it were some real useful ideas there so okay great pacher anything before we crack on um no just my gratitude because I've been helped before so by various uh companies uh by various people such as Michelle here so thank you and it does mean a lot it does mean a lot yeah I think that it I don't know I mean it's it's a wider conversation so let's start from under represented but also independent voices in general be it's nice to see helped out yeah so thanks so that's that's brilliant I agree with Michelle if you uh if you haven't checked out the wpcc just Google it or go to a search engine of choice wpcc or WP Community Collective and you'll be able to see that they've got these uh I'm going to use the word scholarships I think it's actually fellowships is the right word um for a broad range of different Community initiatives so this will drop into that as one thing that um GoDaddy are paying for but if you want to help out on a broader set of initiatives and you want to drop in $10 $100 knowing that that will help somebody in a specific use case you can go and see what those use cases are and you can contribute to those so it doesn't have to be a company like GoDaddy making it happen it could be that you just dip into your own pocket with a small amount and uh and help out in different ways but yeah the criteria here speaker in this case at the beginning word Camp us and it needs to be in the future it'll be bound to Flagship and uh Regional WordPress events okay so Tim sorry I for forgot to include you if you wanted to say that's okay um other than say going to word campus is really expensive yeah and expensive the obviously when you're not a working for a large company that's sponsoring the events or sponsoring to send you there it can be for most people um perhaps too expensive and anything we can do to get people who just would turn their heads and say I can't do that I can't go like especially if we are then encouraging them to speak is a positive thing I think also like just sort of flipping this on his head as well it's actually good it's nice PR for the likes of GoDaddy in this case as well because they get to put their name to something which is just utterly philanthropic I mean you know whichever way you look at it this is going to help an individual who probably wouldn't be able to go in in other situations and so you know Bravo I'm sure that if you go to the WPC you'll be able to pick up the name of a bunch of other individuals and companies that are doing something similar but yeah nice initiative and uh and also the wpcc just makes a really sensible place to go uh in the future if you want to check those kind of things out having one place seems like a really sensible idea okay right so somewhat related to that and I know that at the beginning of the show beit was in the comments so whether or not she's still here and beit if I if I sort of get the flavor of what you're trying to say here wrong please just correct me but um beit produced an article uh she's got the website coach bate.com and you'll be able to find it it was published on the 5th of May so a little over a week ago and uh this is about that it's about attending word camps but with a Twist right so it says in the world of so the article by the way is called inclusion in action calling for expanding travel funds to Wordpress contributors for to Wordpress contributors yet in the world of Wordpress and open source we've started making strides towards inclusivity especially with some companies setting up diversity travel funds for speakers from underrepresented groups I refer The Honorable lady and gentleman to the article I mentioned a moment ago that's a UK parliamentary thing by the way that was just awful I'll never do that again I'm sorry um that's remarkable but there's a big piece of the puzzle still missing backbone contributor day attendees and table leads are left out now beet is one of these people she says as a long-term contributor I've been currently pouring over 10 hours a week Adam up people that's 520 hours a year that's more work than I do of any kind in a year she just does it as a contributor um 10 hours a week into WordPress projects as the founder and lead of the global WordPress Dei working group not for money or fame but because I believe in it and I just missed out a little bit but the financial reality of attending word Camp especially International ones hits hard just like Tim just said it's time for a change it's time for companies in the WordPress ecosystem to step up and extend travel funds to active contributors not just speakers this isn't about making it easier for us to attend it's about recognizing the hard work and dedication for all contrib and ensuring our community is as diverse and inclusive as we aim for it to be and I have to say I genuinely didn't even think about this until I read that article I I swear that's ridiculous right but I hadn't equated okay if you're a contributor in another area you should also be getting the option to go not because you're speaking but just because you've been a big Cog in the wheel and helpful and thoughtful and you'd contribute something by your presence and the conversations that you'd have and the things that you'd say and the you know the connections that you'd make and all of that and so it feels like beit if I scroll to the very bottom now I don't know much about how this works um maybe this is give WP but it does appear from this yeah thank you I assumed it was it does appear that um beate on the strength of this article decided to put up a um like a GoFundMe uh if you like um with a value of € 1,200 by all accounts that's now been met so if that's the the case be congratulations for that and you know your voice obviously got heard but let's talk about the the thing in general like I said it hadn't even occurred to me uh I never speak I managed to get there by hook or by crook sometimes being sponsored sometimes paying for myself but what do you think do you think b gets on to something every the a little over a year ago I started the Selfie Challenge that I do at word at Major word camps especially where I ask people just take a selfie with me put it out there hash Michelle me and through that I have raised over the last year and a half over $5,000 um of my own money but also individuals and businesses that have contributed to that fund all of that money has gone to support um I think now we're up to like 15 different speakers and organizers who are underrepresented people to attend word camps and just the flagship events but Regional camps um and and all of those people like we I sponsored somebody we being the collective people who have contributed to that sponsored a speaker to be able to speak for the first time um on the African continent forgive me for not remembering where it was it was over a year ago uh those kinds of opportunities are what I wish that we were doing at a more Global level so when when beet writes about this and I when the w p Collective Community Collective um do does these kinds of events it does help take the pressure off of somebody like me who is attending word camps and speaking at them and sponsoring them with my company um you know with uh with sellp and and all of the other things that I do because I'm trying so hard to help other people do that and that's coming in through just through me I'm not a nonprofit I'm paying taxes on that money to the United States because it's coming in through my bank account um and so all of that goes to say that if more people were able to kind of get behind this and if we found a better solution for helping get these speakers and sponsors community members whoever volunteers like whatever however that looks um those communities come together in a huge way to create these amazing events that push the project forward but also help people in general learn and do WordPress better that's where a lot of decisions are made that's where a lot of um connections are made and for those opportunities to happen because we're able to sponsor people in there would be amazing and so it's it started at Grassroots and it's starting to grow more but I think we do need to talk about it more and I'm really happy that veran is um is doing that uh Jill binder used to talk about it more she's no longer part of that process she she's still her heart is still in it of course um but she has not been as outspoken in the last six months or so and so but because it's tiring to stand on the soap boox and say this over and over and over again is exhausting I have a podcast um Ali nimons and I started underrepresented in Tech now San Asser from a Yos and I do that continue that podcast every week it is exhausting to keep saying the same things over and over but it has to be said and those things need to move forward and just because we get tired doesn't mean that the the problem doesn't exist anymore and so for more people to start using their voices to say these things out loud makes me happy um sorry I just got a myself back again no no thank you that's great I'll just do a few of the comments before I throw it to Tim and pet so firstly yeah po big it was a fascinating piece um and the next one is from Mike Johnson who who now will forever be known in my head as the man who had to listened to me for seven hours uh member of the organizing team for word Camp Torino uh is also going to be setting up a similar page uh says she's made a huge contribution but now right now can't afford to go to Torino so that okay so that's another interesting thing so somebody who's literally put heart and soul I'm assuming from that right I'm putting words into your mouth there Mike but somebody who's put a lot of effort into organizing that event who can't themselves go yeah okay that seems kind of unusual doesn't it yeah and then uh just a confirmation that yes it was give WP and thanks to Michelle for adding in a license that was needed for making that work WPC C I think I used Too Many C's there WP two C's yeah WP CC okay um has more news next week okay watch this watch this space we'll be covering it and only me who thinks that we every time I hear that I go when did WordPress start a Cricket Club yeah that's that's right that's what goes through my head as well but we're uniquely position that is such a British thing British thing and Sh of pinss out what we're drinking right pin it's so hot why do you have pins on your table ah yeah uh so I wasn't putting words in Mike's mouth he says heart and soul for sure that's lovely and then Cameron says it's hard to say everything I want to but in an Ideal World the WPC shouldn't need to exist okay that yeah I get what you're saying do my B on it and the fact that it is necessary is a sad reflection uh on the project so before we move on to the next piece I'll just hand it to Tim it to Peter if they've got anything to say about this I know in the past Peter you've always had Fairly vocal thoughts about you know those that can can attend or those that can afford to attend I remember saying things like that it's it's like that I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it short I just have to commend I I just say that it's really not easy to make that kind of request I am so delighted that Berget can go to work come now and I have thought for a long long time that organ I have been so privileged to be on the receiving end and again I thank with huge thanks to people like Michelle who really you bust a gut for us and I appreciate it hugely at the same time I I do I agree with Cameron I think that it just it's not it it would be too long to actually have the long conversation about it but I I don't think it's a positive thing and I think that everybody to have to do this and I think that especially organizers should absolutely the minimum as a minimum they should get funded to travel there and of course contributors it's crazy that that's even a thing and uh because otherwise we get to the point where you know open source is only done by those who can afford to do it and that's never the independent voices so I think it's a way longer conversation and as you as you say Nathan I have indeed lots of opinions about it Michelle knows you you all know but there's no time for all of it but right now I just have to say I am so happy that Berger can go and I hope that more people like her can can go I'm not going this year because I'm I'm I'm not speaking and therefore I'm not going it's pretty much is like that for me right not always I've had to go not always I have self-funded some sometimes but sometimes it's possible sometimes not not quite big it say a lot of Courage because even asking for funding sometimes even asking to be funded as a speaker takes courage because it just feels weird and there is a course that really app sorry that no I was just gonna say there's that there's that chance that you get egg on your face I don't mean that in the horrible way but you know you put a crowdfunder up and then you get like $9 or something and you feel like you been kicked in the teeth because you know you feel more undervalued than you did prior to the crowdfunder so uh firstly big I'm glad that that isn't the case and you've obviously exceeded your expectation um Okay so Tim anything before we move slightly on this totally related I I just wanted to pick up on the the speaker part because speakers are very visible um you go up on the stage and it's very easy for a company to sort of tie themselves to that speaker because they can go I I they they they see them on the stage that the speakers will be talking about them when of they right there's there's an obvious link you can understand why someone would want to sponsor a speaker um it takes someone to really think about it to go actually I want to sponsor that human being because they're not sponsoring the human being they're sponsoring the person a a Persona on a stage and it takes quite a lot to sponsor someone a human being who's there to contribute um and I think they're different things but uh yeah I I too have many many many thoughts on Independent voices and both for word camps for organizing init and I think between us all we could be ranting for weeks and unfortunately the solution is somehow to get us an infinite pot of money um which I love and I if if anybody's got one of those we could all do with them send it my way yeah yeah that's right um I distributed very fairly yeah of course yeah yeah um the slightly related piece to this is actually oh where's it gone where's it gone where's it gone here we go um it is on the sustainability um blog so it's make. wordpress.org for sustainability and it's Courtney Robertson who's in the comments and this was 10th of May so a few days ago recognizing contributions and acknowledging challenges and this is a piece all about well can how do you how do you acknowledge somebody who doesn't write code like how do you say okay your contribution was was worth this and your contribution was worth that and it's not even that it's not trying to like atomize it and make it into a value like you get 10 points and you only get six points it's not that it's more about how as a project do we figure out what is what is a contribution and how do they get acknowledged and recognized and this is not a this is not a suggestion list this is a like here's some thoughts can we have some comments about th what this would be so in the context of Wordpress is five for the future initiative various contributors I'm reading uh from different professional backgrounds play a critical role by dedicating a percentage of their resources to enhance the platform so companies with plugins web hosts individual contributors agencies community members but then how do we make sure that even more than that if you like get the recognition that they deserve how do we make it transparent and traceable how do we make sure that the quality is measured and that the impact is measured that boy I mean I don't even know where to begin with that how do you measure the the impact of somebody who I don't know um does something that's not a piece of code how do we document it and acknowledge what they're doing how do you make sure that it can be scalable um at the size of Wordpress because obviously you know word is a a load of spaghetti it's really hard for the the Hydra to know what's going on with its other heads um and then there's something about informal structures so I just wanted to point this out uh this is Courtney's attempt to get the conversation going uh it hasn't really started as yet but uh if you want to go I'll it's called recognizing contributions and acknowledging challenges May the 10th over at make. wordpress.org sustainability how do we make the project more sustain able I'm sorry Courtney I feel like I butchered your uh your article there but that was what I could manage um and what does Courtney say at the bottom there's a footnote to chaos metrics thank you let me go and have a look here we go number here let me open that in a new tab chaos. Community all the metrics okay I'll explore that at my own length um and then Andy has jumped in Dr Dr Andy fragen in the comments shares about his uh an impact of contribution that he faces Andy fren is something else isn't he he's like a trauma surgeon and in his spare time he gives 15 hours a week to working on cordary I mean what wow uh okay anything about that probably not because it was very much related to what we talked about a moment ago but it's a little Bolton extra Tim no you're all going you're all going um let's go Tim first let's go in reverse order that we did last time so Tim first just I the only thing that always worries me when we talk about uh looking at the impact an individual has done to a projects is that it's it's it's comparing it to other people you can't not end up comparing contributions with other people and I think that that can often lead to completely demoralizing especially with a project so big and where someone looks and looks across somebody else who's doing x y and Zed who is the director on 28 boards and is got 12 podcasts and she doesn't sleep at all and you're there going but I can't even just get out of bed this morning but I will make this contribution today and this is my little thing and that little thing might have a humongous impact on one person oh no up but but that that you that that person's tiny thing many most people would look around and say that that's support Forum post that they wrote where they were like oh I know the answer to this one question might change someone's entire outlook on WordPress it might change someone's entire for all you know it might Chang that person's life they might be able to get that um D give page whatever it is that they they were doing so it it's a really tiny thing but it has a huge impact and N of Saw metric is going to be able to understand that or and so I I I worry I worry when we start trying to put scores on humans it's it's let me let me just add a few things that Courtney's uh thrown in so she said first of all there's a follow-up post coming out tomorrow um to that will include tools and working group details in sustainability then she's asking you a question Tim uh do you see a away instead of focusing on people this excuse me this could help Elevate what parts of the project are healthy or needing additional help I mean that's probably the way to do it is that the we have the teams and So within WordPress and with make you can see all the various teams and if metrics were rounded about them or or at least uh aggregated to the team maybe that would be a a route but um and some people really want recognition and want they like metrics because they like to know when they are on the ladder they like the social Karma of building up bits but there are others who will shy away and and that will scare them and so it's getting that balance right um there are certain people I know who are are really excited that they can get Badges and try to gamify the system just to get all the word for Badges and others who like that would just terrify them and I don't I think ultimately people we we put a lot of EMP on uh you should contribute more you're not doing enough contributing if you want things to change you should contribute and it's it it can overwhelming for people they they can feel like oh I I just wanted to tell you that there was a bug no you must now do this this this and they like oh no no I'll just go back over here and we lose so many people because they're churned into a machine that's country country country uh and that's and then you're told oh you don't need to be a coda to contributes and that's true you don't but it's really hard to tell to actually convince someone that if you throw when they're suddenly being thrown into track and make and all this yeah um so I I guess I i' I've stretched this into a different conversation but it's yeah I I have the whole mechanism is it currently doesn't I don't think work for most people I think it's very very hard to uh to measure something in a project which is is in many ways held together by philanthropy and good intentions um and and you're right but Goodwill and that everybody is yeah there who wants to be there and then it is awkward because we do obviously have people who are sponsored who who are just giving up their time and then you've got things like whatever it is five R hashed around um it is really frustrating that you got all these aspect and we we then but it does really feel like you're being forced to do this stuff um and I I feel incred pressure I know Cameron's just saying he doesn't know I'll be honest I've stopped doing a lot I've stepped away from awful lot of cont what I would consider contribution because it's just grinding my head into a wall and it hurts and eventually you just give up lot of the a lot of the time when we talking about Community it's not it's a community for some people it's not a community for everyone I'll just paraphrase we think we're really good at being open and Brilliant and wonderful but we are still reallyy hard to get into a group of people and we are putting barriers up even if we don't realize them and that go for everybody Andross all like different project so nature of life I guess a few comments on that then so first of all Tim uh sorry responding to Tim Cameron says I don't even report bugs anymore because of this sort of behavior so that was what you were just saying thanks for shining a light on it Tim and then Courtney chimed in with I hear you Tim uh please know my M main focus is on how we can gauge the health of the project holistically as well as recognizing contributions differently than release props as primary metrics use I think it's the measurement thing isn't it that's the hardest bit that's what you were kind of saying and then bear gets back having better ways to track no codee contributions and maybe measure the impact helps also individual contributors to make their case while looking for sponsorship okay a really good point yeah to to counter myself I just goes back to to the same aru you know issue actually sorry Tim carry on uh I'll just do the next one quickly there's one more comment from Peter and he says Tim raises many great points KY we're going to have that as the show's title um and regarding not being a developer you may not need to code but it sure helps to know how to use the Cod of tools like GitHub that is a barrier okay and there's another one just dropped in who apparently uh here we go oh barriers oh I get it I look so this is Courtney she's responding to uh Peter I'm guessing I get it I look to other open source projects for inspiration about how we could address similar challenges yeah it was interesting contributors projects buried in that article I'm just going to put it back on the screen I don't know where there was something about where was it there was something in here about the sort of like the the way that the the oh yeah I'll just raise it on the screen quickly um unlike many open- Source projects that use formal Charters to define the roles and powers of different teams WordPress uh operates without such structures this flexibility allows for Dynamic adaption but can sometimes lead to unexpected changes such as recent discont discontinuation of the marketing team which we spoke about last week so that's interesting so the other other open source projects may be able to shine a light on different ways that they do things maybe better maybe worse but worse it's also remember that they have the same problems this is not unique to Wordpress and I guess the scal of word sit there go oh you're doing bad yeah yeah that's right that's right um yeah Doom speaker speak your doom um right so okay so that was interesting uh Michelle pacher Tim anything else on that before we move on feel like we maybe crack that one I'll just say that when we have Herculean issues or projects or whatever we want to call it like funding people like making sure that things are sustainable like recognition and those kinds of things they are huge problems to undertake they're big hurdles and and that sometimes stops us from continuing to work toward them because of this inertia of how do we it's so big how could we possibly begin to chip away at it but continuing to talk about these things keeping them in the front line I don't have a solution we we actually had a session on this at the um Community Summit before word Camp usest last year about recognition and how some people love the badges and some people could care less about the badges how do we keep people interested in moving things forward and I think just we need to keep talking about it somebody somewhere will have an idea or multiple people will come together with ideas and and we will move it forward but I love that we continue to pull it in here and other places because just to say it's too big a problem to solve doesn't help us in any way shape or form so the other thing I'll say though is as you start to make huge you know changes to things like this you will never make everybody happy and so we have to be okay with some people being unhappy as we move things forward that is just the way the world works I uh I think it's kind of a basic of human nature isn't it to want recognition like you may want it like you know you may want it out in the open so that everybody knows you know you did this let's blow their trumpet everybody mentioned them on social media other people you know beit would be a good example here the recognition is can I just go to a word camp that I wouldn't be able to go to otherwise you know would that would that be okay and in this case recognition hasn't come from org or you know it's come from Individual members of the community who put into their delve into their pocket and said yes I recognize you um and that's really nice that she's been able to do that but having something like flexible it's not one size fits all it's a spectrum of recognition by the way that's now the universal symbol for spectrum um it also doesn't adjust the fact that there are so many Gap filling projects are not part of the actual project itself right so you know like like the wp Community Collective for example that is not something that's right I mean yes there is recognition by folks about it but it's not something that's universally recognized within the project itself there's so many projects like that like underrepresented in Tech like I can't even think of all them off the top my head of course but there are so many things that so many of us are doing Marcus with the wp world right connecting people those are not part of the project they're not part of the open source project they're tangential to it and they fill these gaps that a project like the open source project has but there is no official recognition of those either in spite of the hundreds of hours that go into project so I just want to throw that out there as well no no no that's fine uh pacher is back she went away for about one second pacher anything to say before we yes so first of all uh thanks to both Michelle and Tim for all the your wise words um yeah it's it's again it's another really big big topic isn't it from my point of view the the whole thing about contribution is that all the things that Tim said all the things that Michelle said plus a little bit that it's not always easy to find your own way of contributing because of the way cont contributing is structured I think that you kind of said that a little bit Tim but it can be I sometimes struggle to find the right way to contribute and but I think that as a I know lots of people who have never contributed anything to core or to any of the make WordPress teams but they have contributed locally in so many ways that that go completely unrecognized and a lot of them are organizers that H have buried the business their businesses into the ground for the good of the community of the local community and so many even satellite events and and things like that and so there are many many ways of contributing and Courtney by the way Robertson is someone who does so much towards that um so that's really really great and it's it's all to me a part and parcel of the same topic that keeps coming up uh this week but there's also some people have more time than others if you're a you know if you're single uh uh for instance you don't have children and you're not disabled you you'll have more time but you may have more time but you may have other hurdles that make it difficult for you to contribute but I have heard sometimes that unless you contribute to co you don't really understand the project that's not nice to hear and I've heard it quite a few times and it doesn't make me want to contribute to call it's sort of the opposite so um it's a it's a big topic and I don't know whether I've probably made it uh muddier sorry in my no no rambling Michelle I want to just throw out one idea we get rid of the word contribute and just go back to help o some point contribute became this thing and it came with baggage and it came with stuff but when I I I am an I've been involved in WordPress for a very very long time and we started off by just being helpful you were helpful when you replied on a forum you were helpful when you did when you fixed that bug you were helpful when you set up a user group those Wen contributions they didn't come with a stamp of approval they didn't come with some sort of metrics or bits they were just helping people I have a suggestion that's where we should go I'm going to interrupt um I've coined a phrase and I think we should call them help help help tributors how about that yeah that's the answer encapsulate that rolls off I know I even practiced it no I I do you know what uh Tim I think there's something in that the world sometimes carries more weight than the than than it appears and uh I think I think you might be on to something because I tell you what yeah but for instance it's things like then it becomes I for instance I contributed as a an organizer to two works for some reason it doesn't appear in my profile and therefore I am sort of downgrade made to you know what I mean I don't care but then if if you if you have a badge systems then I am sort of you know someone like that it can happen is like lower rank or something like that well here's Peter to your point Peter says as a Meetup organizer and contributor on several non-official non official channels I put tons of time into WordPress every month um and I'm guess he's saying that maybe the recognition isn't there I wonder Peter if if you feel willing to share does that does that tick you off does it are you totally sanguin about that or is there some sort of resentment is the wrong word but it's the only word that's coming into my head at the moment you know some level of hm that doesn't seem quite right um and then Courtney's back Peter and Peter I just Peter I just spoke with Mike or Terry about this uh who is involved with gather press okay so pacher I guess you maybe hang out with Courtney after this call yeah and big says as I learned recently a lot of Wordpress meetups in Africa just organize a load of a organize all of their Community work over WhatsApp and don't use slack at all so no no notion of what's going on there no recog in fact no way to be recognized but the work gets done so gosh recognition and help remember when you said you didn't think there was anything left to talk about this issue yeah about 10 minutes ago yeah no it's certainly is that is one of the things that I love about this show is my intuitions are usually quite wrong about what I think people will be interested yeah well you know I put these articles up and very often the things that I think oh that'll be fun to talk about nobody wants to talk about and vice versa and that is brilliant how nice I love it um I think we've probably gone through a bit of that but certainly that's dominated this conversation um we were talking sort of about events and a couple of things to mention the first one as I said already I haven't got it on the screen but if you're in the UK the the premere word camp in the UK the only word camp in the UK word Camp Whitley Bay uh in the northeast of England just on the coast near Newcastle is taking place in Tim July I want to say July uh it is the willly b in July the 12th 2024 it's up on my screen is it a Friday uh I oh it's okay it's okay because I had it in on I had it in as a day when I was doing the show on a Monday and so I was actually talking to Michelle about it this week no I'll be at Whitley Bay had to cancel one of the shows and then realized no hang on a minute I don't know what happened there but it's available tickets are available if you want to be a speaker or a sponsor you go to Just Google what camp wh Bay so is it a Friday it is a Friday Friday just checked that too okay and uh another WordPress event this time in London sorry the UK Focus here but you know I'm from the UK uh the word Camp London Meetup is after speakers um if you are in and around the London area and are willing to travel uh there uh thereafter speakers long form talks 25 to 30 minutes long and lightning talks 10 minutes long and they're putting that on each and every month you can actually see the the sort of schedule obviously some of these are coming up very soon but you can see the dates that they're doing it's the last Thursday uh of each month and some of them are to do with woo but you can see well one two three to do with woo you can see that one of them is fully booked but these slots these other ones need need your help so if you're a speaker in the WordPress space and you want to contribute your time and you want to be in person in London and there you go okay back to Peter just to give us that context there is a level of frustration when it comes to what is recognized more frustrating for me is how much slack and gith hob equals contribution okay that's interesting so hard for me to do that that on to contribute on slack I just pet so that that you can see yeah sorry I I apologize oh actually it's because it's because the screen is on if I take the screen away and put Peter's comment but there we go everybody's happy it's all right Nathan yeah you can take a break from my mug but that's an interesting point right you know maybe maybe pet Peter's on to something you know if if slack and get heavily skewed um I feel the same but the the slack thing I just can't work like that it's I can't do it it it really is what stops me I have tried with a design team and also with the accessibility team and I cannot get my head around it I don't know it's like a limitation that I have I just can't work on Slack I don't like slack either I'll just say that I don't like anything linear like that where you get lost if you go on holiday for a week is scroll and uh I don't know my head just doesn't work in that frame dare I say it can we do WordPress via email no everybody's face is telling the actual truth no you can't uh okay so anyway couple of events there that's really nice uh bit of self promotion but in the AI space I did a a couple of episodes podcasts which just happened to be about AI if you listen on the tavern the Jukebox podcast chatted with an autom matician uh called called Paulo belcastro who's been working on Jetpack API honestly fascinating conversation deeply thoughtful very obviously very intelligent person who is giving thought to what will come with WordPress and AI you know inside the editor to to help but also on in terms of code speaking of code and word press I also spoke to a chap on this is WP builds chap called Alex borto um who has a plugin it's called WP turbo it's WPT turbo. deev and the intention of that plugin is to help you write code with AI you know and so anyway two bits of content to to go and check out uh conveo I don't know much about the conveo uh hosting platform I might even be encapsulating that wrong but my understanding is they're a sort of manag Wordpress host and and they have acquired a company called Grom Matic uh to bolster their woocommerce marketing automation platform um I have nothing else to add to that it's just you know it's nice to see some of these things happening a couple of years ago it was like every week we had about nine of these stories but it's Qui and WR down so that's kind of nice uh okay oh oh this came from Courtney I'm pretty sure Courtney did you send me this I think you did um and I I'd never come across this before this is the design share it's a make WordPress make. wordpress.org fordesign and this you'll find this this was on the 6th of May 2024 I have nothing to say really and if you're listening to this apologies it's entirely visual uh I sincerely apologize but what we're looking at is uh screenshots of what people think might be a nice way of making WordPress in all of its different forms look like in the future so we're looking at upgraded learn homepage got to say I quite like it uh if that dropped into my uh if that dropped that I'd be really pleased with that and it just goes on and on for all sorts of different things so I don't know dark mode switcher there's some possibilities here little videos of how that might be implemented uh how open verse search might work what grid integration might look like inside the block editor with little handles and things like that uh block Pages blah blah blah it just it's a lovely way to to waste half an hour go and look at these designs and see what you make of them and obviously then make some commentary I don't know if there's a deeper purpose to those pictures than that or other other than it just be a collection of things that have been put forward as possible suggestions anyway I thought that was really nice uh uh comment from Courtney did we do that one the titles of this team's post aren't super interesting but the content what they're working on in design is shown exactly exactly yeah the title is not great is it design share number 55 but um but the the content is brilliant so again uh link will be in the show notes and thank you once more for Courtney for sharing that all right this one is on Michelle because this is a Stella WP piece it's a press release I guess as much as anything else it's an announcement Stella WP acquires learn Das add-ons from wisdom Labs tell us more M well we are always looking to make the LMS process with through learn Dash something that is easier and incorporates more um more opportunities for education and and integration what's the word I'm looking for engagement with your students and so uh there's a whole series of plugins that we've acquired add-on plugins to learn Dash uh from wisdom Labs who have been doing a lot of work within the LMS and specifically within learn dash for years and so we're really excited about starting to implement those in um those hit our site and our users last week when this uh went live on Wednesday and yeah I mean there's not a ton to say other than the fact that we're really excited to offer more opportunities for our learn Dash users to um to have more features so the the following practice that better no no no not the the following add-ons will be brought under the learn Dash Banner so you they have now yeah yeah so uh okay so uh instructor role uh report for learn DG group registration ratings reviews and feedback uh illumin I don't know how to pronounce that apologies and content cloner um do you know Michelle off the top of your head if you are a learn Das subscriber are these kind of like added in and you need to like upgrade to take those on or is this like just part of the bundle of bits and pieces that you offer yeah so they're part of our bundle and then um yeah you would still need to download them and put them on your website of course but they would become part of your bundle and part of your account with us at learn bash.com okay so there's in the previous case you would have had to have had another account somewhere else pay them a fee now it's part of your bundle fee if you've got correct bundle then they're available okay so you can check that out uh learn.com and it will be uh available in the show notes right let us move on we're not doing that one that was a a small glimpse of HDMX and uh and Tim Tim do that to death before we Rec there's no way that's coming in uh this is a little Community announcement um Paul half peny um works for an agency I believe I'm gonna say founder he's certainly right at the top of the tree in that agency it's called Uh filter and they have a plugin called personalized WP it's uh a plugin which enables you to set conditions to make the make the front end of your website different based upon oh I don't know it might be the time of year or whether somebody bought a woocommerce product or something like that you get the picture you know you set a condition and then there's a a trigger on the back end which makes your front end looks slightly different they're doing a doing a webinar about it it's on Wednesday the 5th of June it's called conversion boost strategies for WordPress success with personalized WP so if you got that plugin and you want to know more great if you don't have that plugin but you're interested in it uh you can go to Eventbrite and search for it but again links will be in the show notes completely free uh of June so you got a couple of weeks to sign up for that right okay earlier I have a memory but it's going fast it's slipping away from me why is this story relevant to something that we said earlier this is about the refresh of the plugins in WordPress 6.5 so there's a bit of a kafuffle in the WordPress you may have missed it you may not even notice that there's something that's changed but in WordPress 6.5 sort of snuck in really I guess is the right way to describe it a slight change which meant that when you installed and activated a plug-in there was no page refresh and a lot of plug-in developers had taken the opportunity of that page refresh hooked into it and then done something like an onboarding wizard because you know you've activated our plug-in we now want to step you through setting it up and bit of a kafuffle and ever since then we now have I don't know if you've updated WordPress now if you install an activate a plugin you get a helpful little button I can't remember what it says I saw it for the first time I thought oh that's new uh so you can manually ref refresh the page with the help of this button it's right at the top it's right in you know near the admin bar and all that below the admin Buton and that enables you to trigger all of these things and it would appear from the likes of uh smob apologies uh smob I think this might be is this oh what is it SED SED from it looks like sad anyway I don't know if it is from active uh what are they called awesome motive that's it um he thinks that really we should go back and so does yoast yo seems to think that really you know this kind of was snuck in why don't we go back to the old version if you're not a plug-in developer and you're not bothered about onboarding this probably won't affect you but if you are a plug-in developer and you want people to use your product and get to know what's going on this seemed like a a reasonable hijack of the word word press installation PL process for plugins but anyway yeah let's bring it back it's not great yeah no it's not so tell me why tell me why when I activate a plugin is it not ux to then be to then to then show me what to do with that plugin next no I think the opposite oh so that what what WordPress put with the I think that right right I think that before you you would activate a plug in I mean the point is that a user should never be left there with nothing nowhere to go and nothing to do so before you would especially for people who are DIY and don't know it well then it's helpful to show a wizard because if you know it you're like yeah yeah it's okay I don't need it and you don't you can you know cancel it or whatever but if you're a user that needs it you it's just helpful because one thing that I I think correct me if I'm wrong but the last thing that I if I activate a plugin I'm normally moving on from there I I either need to go into the settings I mean it's just I'm not going to stay on that page am I I want to go and do something else so showing users where to go is good ux taking that option away is not good you and Andrew Palmer is the one who pointed made his point quite eloquently because say that for the type of clients that he's got that was really unhelpful and he had to help out quite a few clients after that change happened there was a sort of slightly added on to this is the um is the idea that most WordPress users well this is intuition right this is not based upon any data and and it's not my intuition it's come from either this post that we're looking at on the screen or from a a post linked uh by yast it's this uh this one here 61040 um that most people are not bulk installing plugins through something like WP CLI most end users are installing a plugin clicking activate one thing at a time and then they're expecting something to happen something yeah but obviously there is the capacity to go into you know the command line and like Chuck in 15 plugins all in one here not just the command line you yeah right right yeah you you you can select all to plugins and click activate yeah that's true yeah thank you um but I think the the intuition that is being expressed in the post that you see on the screen and Yos is is Yos the person not the company I should make that clear um is that most people are just doing it one at a time like they like like you would do let's say for example uh with apple apple Mac's uh what's it called the Mac App Store or on the Android App Store you kind of you might update them all in one go but you are searching for one what are they even called apps right on the Android App Store I guess um you search in for one you install it and then you you probably are going to launch it the moment it's it's installed and therefore get into whatever wizard they've set up for you so storm in a teacup maybe but I think the the experience that I would prefer is if we just went back to what we had in uh 6.4 and before where the but I don't know to sort of take the uh The Devil's Advocate good cuz I think I'm oh yeah the argument is that the car the old way was broken and was never intended right that's true you're right yeah because we we built a system where we can activate multiple plugins at once you if you as pach was saying you normally want to do something immediately afterwards do you want to do 10 things immediately afterwards when all 10 of them try to fight us so who's on Waring lizard gets to come first and all of this was hooked into a filter that was there that oh people sort of worked out how to do this and this is true um you can fix this uh I I saw a plug in in the wild like a couple of days ago the basically just polls itself so it has a little a transient set through have I been G in My onboarding Wizard yet no well you you will redirect me I will get redirected the second that happens um because the moment you activated a plug in it it does load up inside the system so and so there are ways around this if you want to have around even more but the better solution is what was proposed on Aaron's tickets um which was um have a proper onboarding set of apis that allows you to say I would like to onboard and that way we can then have opting out of onboarding nice so that folks can say actually power you I can just go ahead without you sending me in funny directions um yeah and then you have then you can support both Roots was at the moment we're having to favor one route or the other and Fair Point historically we' favored the root of Click once and stuff happens and I feel that we should have made that change until that got fixed but both fruits were possible and things were breaking this the that's in place now where you have to do a refresh more frustrating for the vast majority of people but actually is fixing edge cases so things don't get broken yeah as immediately there through even the word personally just it back if we could yeah I uh I don't have an answer but anyway there you go storm and a te I know the time is short so I'm just going to wrestle and quickly go through a few things if that's okay with our panel because I want to allow some things to get raised here we go first thing uh if you have heard of this platform it's called North Commerce it's kind of like a a new uh incumbent in the woo woo Commerce if you like spaces e-commerce for WordPress book with a Different Twist it's called North Commerce this is a deal they've got a deal on at the moment you can see $199 one time uh for 25 stores so I thought I'd mention that links in the show notes tomorrow and here we go onto the User submitted content this one came from stim what um never going to live this down uh what What's this one you write in to to request people be uh given honors and okay okay if you want to make it official youve got to put the work it okay okay uh so we're looking at um I can't even pass that bate thought no B I don't even know how to pronounce that website name um prioritization is a challenge in open source what what what's this a piece of Tim uh well f enough links into an awful lot of what we talking about all the way through and it's talking about um the at its core uh open sources about humans and and human humans doing things and that sometimes as a contributor or helper uh it can be really hard to um find your way and yeah it's uh some really good thoughts and I encourage everybody to read it okay um because we're in a rush I will just simply say that the the piece is called prioritization is challenging in open source and I'm just scrolling down to the bottom see if I can see the author which I cannot um go on it's Tammy Tammy it's tamy okay thank you so much this is Tammy I guess we're talking about Tammy Lista um she has a piece there I will link to it in the show notes for tomorrow uh so that you can drag that onto your screen uh and that oh honestly I could look at this for like half an hour um I got lost in this again this is Tim this is XKCD again not easy to say who draws cartoons of stickmen on the internet and is very sometimes very profound I have to say but what why are we looking at this what's going on every year for their April fools projects they do fun things and this is the background information on there the if the xkcd April Falls from year and I'll be honest it's pretty oh look at it oh it's very very visual yeah very visual I can't promise that I understand what's going on but uh it is very me just just enjoy it enjoy it okay bit of a rub gold machine I believe oh okay yeah but uh lots of balls floating around inside of squares with all these little pods it's like a it's like Donkey Kong gone nuts in many platform games that's what I'm thinking of okay again link to in the show notes it's just a bit of fun and Global accessibility Awareness Day pacher wanted me to mention this so I will very quickly it's happening this Thursday 16th of May 2024 was there anything particular you wanted to add rather than just wear raise awareness of it Peter there are so many initiatives so many different webinars so many courses so many free initiatives about accessibility uh on on Thursday and uh it would be great to take the opportunity it's actually it's a little bit of accessibility week there'll be a lot going on I think the all of this week and this is the page where you can find I think all of the events or most of the events um I would recommend finding out more about it because I I I mean first of all makes a lot of business sense and also in the light of forthcoming legislation it is pretty much becoming it's not in it's necessary yeah L i' say so take the the opportunity to learn for free because of this event Global event so the website URL is sublimely great uh it's accessibility. day how easy is that to remember that's lovely uh so the global accessibility Awareness Day the 13th such event May the 16th 2024 once more accessibility. day if you want to find out more and now just to just to round it off some uh some tweets and this is the the first one which is going to cause anger and the second one is also going to cause anger if you are me um but here's the first one so okay pacher explain this is Tim Cook we can't normally uh you know we wouldn't normally rail against the mighty Apple for fear of a takedown but we're not the first to uh to rail at this was it just the Optics of this they produced an ad in that ad they put a load of really nice objects into a basically like a machine which squashed them absolutely way for thin flat loads of nice things like an arcade machine and loads of paint and yeah piano piano an actual piano was it the Optics what why did people protest about this not the Optics it's it's the concept it's conceptual it's the waste but also the notion that we won't need all of that anymore you can do all of that with the iPad so let's take all the fun away from life and give you give you an iPad instead it it felt to so many people completely against the spirit of Apple if you those of you those of us old enough to remember the 1984 ad but you can actually YouTube they they were positioning themselves as the opposite to that to dystopia and now they seem to be promoting dystopia it was such a a um the huge misfire it was complete misfire and so many people just went completely bizerk as soon as they saw it and so much so that I think as a first and maybe a last in Apple's history they retracted the ad you can still watch it I think it might still be on page but there was a a an apology and my apology by Tim Cook saying yeah basically we didn't mean to upset people we got it wrong and we like yeah you did get it wrong but to me as a designer and someone who's worked with agencies that might have done this ad I immediately thought did an agency do this because the level of uh sign off that there has to be on something like this and it's I mean they've got money to burn but the level do you know what I mean how could there have been anybody nobody saying wait a minute this is not quite right but then as I was saying I I've got friends who work at Apple and and I'm not I've let's say that I've heard that probably it it was an in inside meaning it was in an internal job the the Apple created whatever did it so they didn't spend any money on on an external agency because I immediately thought oh my God have they the agency been paid or whatever and someone said yeah don't worry the reason why Apple make money is because they don't they try and avoid spending it on things like this so it's a whole set of interesting things but to me I don't know if people feel the same about it to me it was the waste but more than the waste was like they could have spun it in such a way that you could have condensed everything all the creativity condensed instead of destroyed like making it yeah turn into something do you know what I mean something like that some Cena really you can well imagine a kind of rival ad that some Tik tocker will make where you know somebody like smashes their iPad up with a hammer and then gets on with things like oh I've got some time now to play the piano because I'm not completely addicted to my iPad and uh I might go and paint a picture with that handy of paint that I've got lying around you know those kind of things so uh you s you heard it here first if anybody does that video that was my idea so uh okay and last but by name's least uh so over the UK and I expect large parts of the northern hemisphere over Friday and Saturday the Aurora Borealis the Northern Lights descended upon us I didn't know anything about it and woke up on Saturday morning uh to find the newspapers just rammed and all of my friends all of the people that I know showing on social media all of their lovely pictures of the Aurora Borealis the Aurora Borealis is one of those few things on my bucket list I want to do it well I'm going to say before I die I mean it be Troublesome afterwards but you get the point um and and there it was outside my house and I missed it and then the following day it was supposed to happen again but you know sod's law it was foggy where I live me and my son went out to a nearby Hill and we were convinced that we'd seen it until huh until we realized it was the headlights of a car coming over the hill but it rarely looked like the real thing because it was fog and everything and all the lights were playing in the fog so it was shimmering and all that and then it narrowed and then it was [Music] Associated anyway upon hearing that Michelle frette sent us this beauty oh oh how good was it was it right there outside your house like no effort needed just there so I I live in a village and so there there's a lot of um light pollution where I live so I traveled about five miles up to Lake Ontario so I was right on uh in a parking lot at the beach actually and along with several hundred uh of my closest friends who I've never met before but it was it was amazing I got out of the car and I just looked up and it was directly overhead and I I shed a tear because it was my first time experiencing this um that I recall according to my mother I saw it as an infant but remembers that so um these are not AI generated these were I did not create these with my iPad but I did take them with my iPhone so I will say I will say that um but it was just it was glorious my pictures don't do it justice I swear but it was it was lovely I am so jealous I'm sure it would be one of those profound moments in life where you uh you actually get to use the word awesome not like when somebody says something mildly funny uh or you know iring yeah awesome just an actual awesome thing anyway I missed it I missed the first one and then the second one was a car headlight there we go I know but I'm glad that you saw it and I'm glad that you got that profundity uh feeling um that's it that's all we've got for uh time forward this week I really appreciate it we've overrun I'm sorry everybody hope that you didn't have anything too massive going on Cameron Jones said he it was down there although it would be the Aurora Australis it would not the a Borealis because that's for us in the northern hemisphere Cameron get off our and and that is not boring that is not a boring fact okay he also called it Aurora Sun okay yeah um you could Paul har peny says you could put some LED strip lights on your ceiling add a smoke machine and turn the lights off not as good as Michelle's photos Okay Okay uh all right so All That Remains for me to do is to say thank you to our uh two guests M uh sorry Tim and Peacher and my co-host today Michelle pette thank you very much we'll be back next week I know I know we're going to do it we'll be back next week uh with some different people I think we'll be back next week I can't no we're not back next week wait next week no or is it or the week after I'm having a couple of weeks off hang on quickly look at the calendar he said loading up Google Calendar uh yeah we're having a couple of weeks off because next week is the page builder Summit just saying there it is and the week after that I'm attending a wedding so we're having two two weeks off we'll be back on the 3D of June which is not the date of word Camp whitly Bay which is I thought it was uh so third of June we'll be back apologies I don't know how you're going to contain yourself dear audience but you know find something else to do go and Crush an iPad or something like that we'll be back in two weeks time but for now time to uh time to give us the hands Michelle no pacher come on over over here it's hard isn't it it's hard where there are you where there they is pushing forward pacher make them big make big hands there we go there we go and on that bombshell we'll uh we'll say thank you so much we will see you soon it take it easy byee, This Week in WordPress #297, WP Builds, 01hxvdp9rzxcqxg4car0dbz0ea.