This Week in WordPress #348  ## Metadata - Author: [[WP Builds]] - Full Title: This Week in WordPress #348 - Category: #articles - Document Note: --- tags: - #wordpress - #community - #events - #woocommerce - #gutenberg - #accessibility - #ai - #legal Author: WP Builds — “This Week in WordPress” Panel (Host: Nathan Wrigley; guests incl. Jess Frick, Marcus Burnette, Mark from MainWP) Source: YouTube (WP Builds) Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4 date created: {{date:YYYY-MM-DD}} {{time:HH:mm}} --- # Title: This Week in WordPress #348 — Community News, Events, Dev Updates, Accessibility, and AI/Legal Trends ## 🧭 Table of Contents: - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🎬 Opening & Panel Intros (00:00–10:03)](#-opening--panel-intros-0000–1003) - [💼 New Roles & Projects (10:03–14:01)](#-new-roles--projects-1003–1401) - [🏠 Housekeeping & Chat Logistics (14:04–16:28)](#-housekeeping--chat-logistics-1404–1628) - [📣 Event Promos: LoopConf, WPLDN, PressConf (21:00–33:40)](#-event-promos-loopconf-wpldn-pressconf-2100–3340) - [🛠️ Dev Updates: Gutenberg & Core (33:05–37:04)](#-dev-updates-gutenberg--core-3305–3704) - [🔐 Security: 2FA Requirement for Core Privileges (37:54–38:44)](#-security-2fa-requirement-for-core-privileges-3754–3844) - [🌍 More Events: WooSesh, WP Agency Forum, Multilingual Camps (39:01–48:01)](#-more-events-woosesh-wp-agency-forum-multilingual-camps-3901–4801) - [🎭 “Celebrity/pirate-ship” Tangent (50:32–56:06)](#-celebritypirate-ship-tangent-5032–5606) - [🌏 WordCamp Asia 2026: Call for Speakers (57:33–61:13)](#-wordcamp-asia-2026-call-for-speakers-5733–6113) - [🛂 Travel, Visas & Scale in India (61:48–68:01)](#-travel-visas--scale-in-india-6148–6801) - [⚖️ Automattic vs WP Engine — Legal Update (68:36–74:04)](#-automattic-vs-wp-engine--legal-update-6836–7404) - [🧩 Plugins & Search (74:06–78:09)](#-plugins--search-7406–7809) - [📚 AI & Copyright: Anthropic Settlement (78:12–82:36)](#-ai--copyright-anthropic-settlement-7812–8236) - [📖 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, Belonging)](#-deib-diversity-equity-inclusion-belonging) - [✅ Logical validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🔍 SEO Evaluation](#-seo-evaluation) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### References: Include a list of sources consulted and cited in the article. - Primary: “This Week in WordPress #348” — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4 --- ## 📝 Summary: A lively panel show covers new community roles, upcoming events (LoopConf London, WPLDN, PressConf), and developer updates (new Accordion block, Data Views tweaks, Theme JSON form styles). Security news: 2FA will be required for high-impact WordPress.org/core roles. The panel explores multilingual WordCamps, predicts a potentially record-breaking WordCamp Asia in India, and touches a major industry lawsuit update (Automattic vs WP Engine). They also discuss WooCommerce search tooling, and end with the broader AI/IP landscape (Anthropic’s proposed payouts for training on books). Tone: friendly, humorous, pragmatic; lots of community color. --- ## 📖 Main Content: ### 🎬 [00:00–10:03 Opening & Panel Intros](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=0) - Cold open & audio hiccup filler (“hello…”) [02:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=121). - Panel intros: **Jess Frick** (new GM at Rocket.net) [03:25–05:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=205), **Marcus Burnette** (Bluehost, card game “Unleash the Wapuu”) [5:48–8:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=348), **Mark (MainWP)** bio & side projects [09:00–10:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=540). ### 💼 [10:03–14:01 New Roles & Projects](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=603) - Jess on Rocket.net ops & customer-obsessed support [04:42–05:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=282). - Marcus’s **Unleash the Wapuu** card game (community/airport story) [6:26–7:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=386). - New podcast project “Failure” (learning from mistakes) [9:00–10:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=540). ### 🏠 [14:04–16:28 Housekeeping & Chat Logistics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=844) - Where to watch/comment (site, YouTube chat, in-player chat) [14:04–15:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=844). - Audience shout-outs & playful banter [15:45–16:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=945). ### 📣 [21:00–33:40 Event Promos: LoopConf, WPLDN, PressConf](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=1260) - **LoopConf (London)** details, WPLDN meetup alignment & 50% code [21:00–24:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=1260). - **PressConf (Tempe, AZ, Apr 8–11, 2026)**: one-track, candid talks (no recordings), early-bird tickets [24:17–26:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=1457). - Schedule conflicts w/ **WordCamp Asia** noted; different audience profiles [26:29–27:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=1589). ### 🛠️ [33:05–37:04 Dev Updates: Gutenberg & Core](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=1985) - **Accordion block** lands (core UI pattern) [33:29–34:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2009). - **Data Views** improvements; **Global Styles for form elements** via `theme.json` [34:41–35:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2081), [35:46–36:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2146). - Usability tangent: nested blocks/structure learning curve [35:53–36:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2153). ### 🔐 [37:54–38:44 Security: 2FA Requirement for Core Privileges](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2274) - Upcoming **mandatory 2FA** for high-impact roles on WordPress.org/core; downgrade if not enabled. ### 🌍 [39:01–48:01 More Events: WooSesh, WP Agency Forum, Multilingual Camps](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2341) - **WooSesh** virtual, speaker lineup nostalgia [39:01–41:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2341). - **WP Agency Forum** (business focus) [41:42–43:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2502). - **WordCamp Gdynia (PL)**: dual-language (Polish/English) to widen pool [44:01–48:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=2641). Pirate-ship budget joke included. ### 🎭 [50:32–56:06 “Celebrity/pirate-ship” Tangent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3032) - Hypothetical celebrity cameos to “spice up” camps (Swift, Bowie, Brooks, Short) [50:32–56:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3032). ### 🌏 [57:33–61:13 WordCamp Asia 2026: Call for Speakers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3453) - Clear CFP page; formats & topic clusters [57:33–59:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3453). - Timeline & expectations [58:49–59:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3529). ### 🛂 [61:48–68:01 Travel, Visas & Scale in India](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3708) - Anticipated **record attendance** in India; local camps already 600–1200+ [61:48–68:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=3708). - Visa/eligibility concerns raised in chat. ### ⚖️ [68:36–74:04 Automattic vs WP Engine — Legal Update](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=4116) - Court **dismissals (some claims)** reported; panel notes contrasting narratives and complexity [68:36–74:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=4116). ### 🧩 [74:06–78:09 Plugins & Search](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=4446) - WooCommerce search tools (token-based/AI hints), need for performance & relevance [74:06–78:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=4446). ### 📚 [78:12–82:36 AI & Copyright: Anthropic Settlement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4&t=4692) - Proposed payouts to authors; broader IP/provenanc - Summary: It's NOT international pirate day, but I don't care... Ahoy me hearties. Join ye WordPress brethren LIVE for the 'This Week in #WordPress' show. Argh!!! (This is terrible!) It be fun, and we'd love thy comments! Starts at 2 of the clock UK time. https://wpbuilds.com/live Join Nathan Wrigley, Jess Frick, Marc Benzakein, Marcus Burnette. - URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjN4e-gwXN4 [Music] Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Lots of hells. The audio from this thing is rubbish for the first 10 seconds. So, I say hello a lot and it tends to iron out all of those problems. It is this week in WordPress number 348. How many how many years is that? Uh, divide it by 52. It's quite a few. It's definitely over six episodes. I don't know. It's five years, something like that. Um, we're here to talk about WordPress as we always are. I am joined by a fabulous panel. Jess Rick just in the nick of time just got in there. How you doing, Jess? How's it going? I'm good. I'm chasing time zones, man. No kidding. We wondered if that was actually what was going on because does is there some sort of shift at some point as yours moved and ours has moved? Maybe. I don't know. There is. And I overthought it. But thankfully, my neighbor Marcus um just ran over to my house real quick and was like, "Hey, how far away, Marcus?" Hello, by the way. How far away are you actually in the real world? Really? Uh about a 30- secondond drive. So Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Really close. Okay. Yeah. And one day, one day on this show, I want you to leave, one of you to leave and then pop off in the other one's house. That' be kind of fun. Um, so we've got our panel. I'll go around the houses properly. I've got Mark Benzane to introduce as well, but we'll just go around the the houses and say hi to everybody. Um, so first off, Jessfrick. Um, recent appearances, Jess did not have the little moniker that she's got now. It's shiny. New shiny shiny. It says uh general manager rocket.net. Um I'll read the bio and then you can tell us all about this new role because the bio says Jess is the general manager for rocket.net. Additionally, she's a diet diet Dr. Peppa devote. I have no words. Uh rescue dog at catmama and a proud member of the post status and WP minute communities. So Jess, just for you, what's going on at rocket.net? How how did it all happen? what's uh you know what's what's been going on in your life over the last few weeks. Oh man. So Ben and I have been friends for a long time. I'm I'm friends with a number of people here at Rocket and uh we've been talking about working together for a while. Um then he had this new partnership coming up with hosting.com which was also announced recently. Yeah. And he has elevated to become chief product officer at hosting.com. and he entrusted his baby rocket.net with me. So I am running all operations and taking care of our customers. Wow. Um, one of my favorite things is we don't have a scope of support. We just are obsessed with our customers experience and we go the extra mile and so that's been interesting from an operational standpoint to work on. But yeah, um, I again I was with Pressible for so long. I still love the product. There's so many good people, but I am thrilled to be team rocket all the way now. Nice. Well, I'm really pleased. Last time you were on, you were kind of dangling a carrot. You you you could tell us that something was going to change, but now you know. Yeah. And but you you really did stick to your guns. So, I applaud you for that because it would have been very easy to just sort of just Oh, I'll tell you I'll tell you a little bit. But you didn't. You stuck to your guns. But I'm very very pleased that it's uh all working out for you over there. So, uh you can check that out at rocket.net. net. What a find that URL was. I imagine Ben bought that when it was still quite a desirable thing to have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He spent at least 20 bucks on it. Yeah, I was going to say it's definitely not one of the cheap ones. So, there's Jess Rick joining us today. Um, thank you so much. Uh, then we've got got Mark Mark Bernett who's down there. I guess a similar story in a way recently. Mark used to be with GoDaddy. He was on the show many times under those opaces. recently moved over to Bluehost and I'll read out the bio. Marcus works at Bluehost and runs a commun WordPress community site called thewp world. You can find that at thewp.world. Uh trying his best to get Nathan in trouble with customs again. Yeah, there's a whole story here and it's about this. This if you can is it gonna is it going to is it gonna is it gonna Anyway, that box there says unleash the wapoo. It's a little card box. You can see that cards fit into it. There's absolutely loads of them. Here's what they look like. And this is Marcus's card game. Now, honestly, Marcus has done such a terrific job. I mean, they are totally like really professionally legit cards. Each of them containing either a Wapoo or something adjacent to a Wapoo. But the little hidden benefit that nobody knew about is that if you walk through a radar machine at an airport with a pack of these, they don't like it and it sets off all the alarms. So I got pulled over because it's too one. Just just customs for some reason because no one who flew in the in inside the US had any issues. Just me. Well, it was the fact that it was oversized. They said that's not a regular pack of card. So it looked really suspicious. Anyway, led to a conversation with the uh with the people like what is that? What are these? And anyway, I tried to explain but they uh sadly Marcus I wasn't able to sell any for you to the uh the people at customs. They any of it. That's all right. Where can we get the card game, Marcus, if we're interested? Unleash thewapu.com. And I do have a few actually that uh some are going out today to people who have already purchased and I do have a few extras for people that might be interested. So, just give us a little elevator pitch. What is what is the purpose of the game and gameplay and things like that? How does it work? Sure. Uh it's a game for two to six players. Um get together, enjoy the nerdiness of Wapoo and the the WordPress community. And um you only need one deck to play. You can sit down if anybody has a deck and and play. And the purpose is to kind of collect all the woo that you can in the space in front of you, aptly named the dashboard. Nice. Um, and whoever gets to a certain amount first wins. Well, you can uh you can definitely play it easily because all of the rules can be contained on just this one little card. You get multiple of these little cards. You'll be able to figure it out. So, if you go to unleash the W or Google Unleash the Wapoo or go to the URL that Marcus just said, you too can be the proud owner of one of these and uh you know, just put it in a little what's it called? Faraday cage as you go as you go through the uh the customs there. So, thank you for joining us, Marcus. Appreciate it. And then last, but by no means least, over there, Mark Benzerane. Hello, Mark. Hello. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? Yeah, good. Good. Mark, um, oh, I've just refreshed. Mark's written a bio, so that's quite good. A minute ago, I didn't see it. I did write a bio. You'll read it out. Here it goes. Mark Benzerane is the marketing lead and partnerships manager at MainWP, which basically means he convinces plug-in developers to play in the same sandbox as MainWP and somehow makes newsletters interesting to read. His career path looks like a choose your own adventure book, one that includes importing coffee without a distributor. That's interesting. Launching an ISP without knowing what DNS was. Oh, that's really interesting. And surviving the early internet with only a fax machine and raw optimism. We had a whole conversation before we hit record about Fax Machines, but I won't bore you with that. These days, in his spare time, he's been working on a new podcast called Failure, in which he and a guest talk about past failures. Its focus is to show others that they're not alone. First episode dropping this week. Stay tuned. That's a nice idea. I like that. This week coming out. Yeah. And and there is a person here on the panel who actually I got to interview and Nice. Okay. When Yeah. are just waving. Where do we uh where do we find this? Have you got the site and domain all sorted? I I uh have a domain. I have no site sorted. Uh this this whole idea really came up. It was a almost I don't want to say it was an afterthought, but it was definitely something that came up on the cuff. I was talking to someone here at the co-work and they said, "What kind of podcasts, you know, do you think need to be out there?" And and I wasn't I didn't even think about it. I just said, you know, I'm really tired of all the success podcasts. They all say the same thing and it's not it's not that the information is bad. It's just there needs to be a failure podcast. And she says, I would totally listen to that. And I said, hm. And so why not? And so I have about I think I have eight of them in the can now that I'm trying to Yeah. and and uh with more people, you know, scheduled. And what I'm looking for right now is someone to edit the videos because that's the thing. It's like, you know, doing the interviews, it takes about an hour, you know, it's not it's but but then there's the okay, how do we make it look pretty? And then me making something look pretty, I I can barely make myself look pretty, let alone anything else. So, can I make a recommendation to you? Uh, invest some time into a a tool called Descript. Yeah, you've talked to me about that. It's definitely worth it. And and if you get into some of the AI bits, whilst it won't do it won't publish it for you, you can tell it to edit the video and the AI will take a stab at it and then in the editing interface you can tweak it if you're not happy uh with how it goes. And uh yeah, so have a look at that also in a and it'll be distributed on YouTube to start with and then then it'll go beyond all that if it if it turns into something, you know, promoted this on this podcast, but I'm going to do a bit of self-promotion for a tool um that I have been working on with a very nice chap, very friendly guy called Dan. Maybe he's the clever one. I'm the guy that just talks about it. Uh and it's this thing. Let me just put it on the screen. And it might be interesting to you because you're just starting a podcast. It's called podcast And it's a um it's a WordPress plugin that allows you to like let's say for example you've got an RSS feed. So in your case it might be YouTube or something like that. It will suck it in to your WordPress website and if you I don't know tell it whenever a new episode drops it will create a a post draft it or make it live. But the cool bit the best bit is we've built a a a player which you build up using blocks. So instead of it being that kind of typical rectangle which you copy an iframe out of, you build all of the component parts however the heck you want. So the play button is a block and the fast forward button is a block and the featured image is a block and the description is a block and you you know you build them in a in an interface. Save it and say I want it to look like that and you can really make it whatever the heck you like. So go check it out. Um plus.com. So there you go. Question for you Nathan. So where does the file go? the file is hosted on your hosting service. So let's so in the same way that you have a website rocket.net net, blue host, whatever, and you've got a hosting over there. Typically, a podcaster will pay for I mean, not just typically, almost I would say 99.99% of podcasters will pay a subscription fee to a hosting company, but the hosting company is specific to podcasts. And what they do is when you upload an episode, that's basically what you do is you go in, you say create new episode, you give it the audio file, and you write a description, and you write um the title and what have you. And then it'll produce an RSS feed and we consume the RS, excuse me, we consume the RSS feed. So it's hosted elsewhere typically if that makes sense. Did I explain that very well? Yeah. Yeah. No, I I get it. Yeah. Um so yeah, so it's um it's a fun little thing. We're going to probably start start launching it maybe next week, maybe the week after it's it's basically finished um and ready to go and it's at podcasterplus.com. Anyway, less of that. Um, let's just do a quick run through of a few bits and pieces. First bits of housekeeping if you don't mind, just to get everybody sort of figured out what's going on. If you if you want to join us, or rather if you want obviously if you're joining us already, you found your way here. But if you want to direct your friends, colleagues, relations or whatever, send them here wpbuilds.comlive. There'll be a video embedded in there. You can watch it there. And if you want to use the comments on the right, that's YouTube, so you'll need to be logged into a Google account. And then if you don't want to use YouTube comments, then click the little button top right of the video player. It's a little black button, I think it is. It says chat or something like that. And then you don't need to be logged into anything. And uh yeah, please just send people there. And then when your comments come through, we will put them on the screen a little bit like this one from Courtney. Hi Courtney. Uh happy Monday says Courtney. She's um she's in your neck of the woods, I think, isn't she? She's not Florida, but she's on the eastern seabboard I think. I could be wrong about that. Peacheri says hello. Uh, Taco that on shop. I was in New I was in South Shields, UK less than 24 hours ago. Oh, you were wise to wise to leave. Uh, Taco, I don't know much about South Shields and I think I'll leave it at that. Um, but I'm joining you from ah I don't know how to say that difficult word now. Anybody want to have a stab at that word? Wijen wig. I'm gonna say yeah. Yeah, in Dutch word there. And oh my god, that title looks so good on you, Jess. Woohoo. That's nice. Patricia's joining us uh from Europe somewhere, probably Germany, I'm imagining. And Taco's back. Nathan isn't wrong. The podcaster player is really nice to work with. Thank you, Taco. He was one of our beta testers and gave us some nice feedback, which was great. RSS, who invented that? Dave Winer invented that, and I chatted to Dave Winer this week, which was kind of fun. Uh, I I got really nervous, got really stage frighty, which I never get. I got really panicked. Kind of like had to calm myself down cuz to me talking to somebody like Dave Winer is a bit like regular people talking to an A-list movie star and I got a bit freaked out. Luckily, he was a very cons kind and considerate chap. So, that was nice. Um, hello Elliot Sabby says Tammy Listister's joining us as well, which is nice. And uh very windy here in the UK, says Tammy. There we go. That's all of the bits and pieces out the way. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me get those off the screen if I can. I actually can't. Oh, yeah. Because it's a caption, not that. There we go. That's gone now. Right. Let's put the bits and pieces up that we're doing this week. Bit more self-promotion, I'm afraid. Uh firstly, this is us wpbuilds.com. These are podcast episodes. You can find them in this archive just here. This week I chatted to Amir Hela from WPML. Uh WPML translates your WordPress website into multiple languages and they've gone all AI as you might expect. I think AI I don't know what the panel think about this. AI has in my life not really made that much of an impact. It seems to be making everybody else's life really exciting. Tammy's going to kill me because she's desperate to make me like the AI apostle, but I'm not becoming it particularly quickly. But it really I really think that translating stuff is a completely credible use of AI because it's pretty functional, isn't it? It's not it's not really trying to create anything new. It's just trying to take one thing from one language to another. And in the past, plugins like WPML really it was moderately expensive to do because you had to get human beings involved at every step. You wanted to go from German to Japanese, you basically needed a human to do that. And now AI will do all I think they go do something like 50 or 60 languages. It'll do them all in like 5 seconds. So if you got a blog post and you want it translating all over the place, it'll it'll do that. So he's on the podcast to talk to us. Did you did you see the the Apple with the AirPods? I'm really excited to try that out. Apple's new AirPods will do live translation. So someone speaks their language into your AirPods and it will translate into your language in your ears kind of blocking them out. And then same the other way or if you speak it'll translate onto your phone so you can show them if they don't have AirPods what you were saying. That is that is really excited to see that in action. Yeah. Can I can I ask a question about that because that's really exciting. Firstly, how does that differ from what Google's been doing? Obviously, maybe not inside of an earpiece, but is the is the technology bound in the headphones? So, it's not like you you probably do need an iPhone, I'm imagining, to make the connection and what have you, but it it uses Apple's Yeah. series, Apple intelligence or whatever for those. It's I don't think it's a whole lot different than what Google's been doing. But it way, no doubt. And the other question I have, and I don't know if you've got an answer to this, is does it have like that pre pregnant pause or does it translate it in real time? You know, so as the person is saying the word, does it basically come out at the speed at which they're speaking? Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm excited to see how it works and uh if it is Yeah, I don't want to stand there for 10 seconds waiting for it to translate and then continue the conversation. So, you'd imagine it have to be fairly snappy, but yeah. Can you imagine if they pull that off? Can you imagine how profoundly different the world will be if they actually pull that off? I I know it just sounds like a clever gimmick, right, when you say it, but imagine you could get off a plane almost anywhere on planet Earth and you could potentially in a mix of languages, not even just one, you know, any language that's around, you know, should filter in and be in in something that you understand in your ears. Yeah. Wow, that's true. Okay. So, the the the answer is I didn't see that. Um, but that's that's really exciting and the fact that it's in that teeny tiny small form factor which kind of gets out the way and doesn't look weird is pretty incredible. Yeah, that's amazing. Um, anyway, WPML will will endeavor to do that with your WordPress website. So, that's that's where they push their endeavor. So, we've got an episode about that. So, go and have a look at that. And then more recently, I did an episode with Beet and an McCarthy all about the bits and pieces happening in WordPress core. I just draw your attention to this as well. I did re released an episode. We do these episodes probably every I don't know month or two, two months, something like that with Joe Doulson who's one of the core committers on the accessibility team and we we go through a bunch of websites and try to pick out one thing like one aspect of a bunch of websites. And this time around we were doing uh keyboard navigation and how the the websites cope with that. And uh yeah, it wasn't great. Um, but there was one winner which was the the sort of Harvard Gazette which was pretty amazing. So, it was nice to see an example of a site executed really well. So, you can check that as well. Go to this archive here. You'll be able to find it. And I think that's it basically. Then we're on to the bits and pieces that our panelists have bought and I can't remember which one of you wanted me to mention this. Might have been Marcus. I think I tossed it in there. Yep. Yeah. Do you want to go for it? Tell us what you tell us what you think in here. Uh, yeah. I just tossed it in here. I'm not unfortunately I'm not going to be able to be there, but I am a media partner for Loopcon. The WP World is somewhere at the bottom there. So, um been tasked with helping get the get the word out. Uh yeah, the WP World is down there. Um yeah, it's in 10 days, I believe, and it's in your part of the country and uh just getting the word out that the schedule and speakers and all that stuff are on the site. go get your tickets so you can uh join up. Yeah, there is a um there is so a couple of things I would add to this. The first one is that if you are coming and there's quite a few people that are uh it co it collides perfectly with the WPL event WPLDN event which I co-organized with the the guy who's working with me on the podcast plus blogging. So that's Dan maybe. Uh so if you are in London the night before so the 24th which is a Wednesday we'll do our regular WLDDN meetup um two speakers Tammy Listister is actually one of them uh who's in the chat and Mike Demo is the other one. So, it's the the you know, turn up at six o'clock, uh, two presentations, then we pack up and go to the pub for a bit, and then you'll be able to, you know, wake up bright and early in the morning with no hangover at all and, uh, and head to straight to Loopcom, and they're all within a short walking distance of each other. So, it's a real nice one two hit. So, it's happening 24th is WPLDN. Actually, I should probably put the page up, shouldn't I? Uh, WLDN is the 24th. So, let me just quickly see if I can find that. There we go. WLDDN.uk is the address there. And uh that's the 24th involving Tammy and Mike Demo. And as you can see here, if you fancy getting 50% off your LoopCom ticket, uh you can use the code WPLDN uh and you'll be able to apply that and get 50% off the the ticket price. So, I also saw on the socials that Brian, who is organizing Loopcom, he was making um he was making the tickets available. I don't know exactly at what price, but he was making the point that if if price is the problem to getting you to attend, get in touch with him and he'll try and work something out. So, there may be a deal to be done if you if you think you might be able to make it. So, there we go. There was loop conf. The first one you can see what come I Yeah, I also have information that Brian and his lovely wife Katie will both be there and I don't know that I've ever seen both of them in the same place at the same time. So, that might be worth the ticket price all on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's central London. It's eight uh speakers that you can see right here. I won't go into all of those, but um yeah, one day and then an afterparty afterwards as well. So, join them, join us. And uh there we go. Loopconf.com. And then this one, Marcus, you brought to our attention as well. Do you want to mention this one? Sure. Uh similarly, I added this one. TAS tickets um are on sale. Go get your tickets now. I'm actually helping organize um Press Con for nice 2026. It's in April. Uh but the early bird, we're calling them startup uh tickets. The early bird price is good through the end of this month. So I wanted to make sure that people are aware of that and to go get your tickets. Now um Pres happened for the first time last year um as a sort of spiritual successor to Presnomics which happened for I believe eight eight or nine years. M um and uh it's fantastic. Everyone who went last year, ask just about anybody who went, they would uh they would guarantee that you'll have the the time of your life. You get to see some it's a onetrack conference. Um so everyone's in the same room, even the sponsors and everybody. We're all gathered in the same room. Very intimate talks. Nothing is recorded. So, um, everyone who speaks can be very, um, open and candid about their their talks knowing that, um, it all just stays in the room. Um, so you get some some very different talks than what you would at most other events. Um, so anyways, yeah, tickets are on sale now and, uh, encouraging people to go get them before the early bird price is up at the end of this month. Uh, it's April the 8th to the 11th, 20 26. It's in Tempe. I think you pronounce it like that. Uh, Tempe, Arizona. Um, so yeah, press conf.events is the URL for that. Press conf.events. I will put a link in the show notes. Okie do. Unless Jess or Mark have anything to say about those, we'll move on. I just want to say that I agree Press Comp is phenomenal. I hate that it's at the same time as Word Camp Asia. Um I know Press Comp announced their dates first and then Word Camp Asia came out. So obviously they were both trying to avoid one another but things happen. Um but yeah, it's it's a phenomenal event organizing Marcus. Sorry. Sorry. I love that you're organizing Marcus. Oh yeah. be kind of interesting to see if there's a if there's a you know if there's a precipitous drop on the word camp Asia ticket sales especially from your part of the world you know the USA because I'm imagining given a choice press camp isn't that big okay I think something like it's about yeah it's going to be about 200 so it's not going to take a significant chunk away from um Word Camp Asia but um yeah it's fantastic conference Um, you know, it's a lot of decision makers, a lot of corporate decision makers that are going to be there. The the demographic is different at Prescom than what would be at Word Camp Asia. Um, so yeah, I mean, I fully fully convinced that it's worth going to. And there are lots of other considerations, you know, travel price and yeah, location safety and all of that when it comes to traveling to Word Camp Asia and all of that. So, they're just different events and people will choose where are we going to talk about traveling to Tempi in April versus August? Oh, it's going to be beautiful in April. That's all I'll say. I'm just wondering. So, or just to give some context to that or um the the next iteration of Word Camp US is is is it No, it's not Tempe. It's Phoenix, isn't it? But they're neighboring cities. Similar similar environment. Yeah. Um, this one's in April and by that point I imagine the temperature is just sort of climbing up and it's actually probably really nice. Whereas in August, my understanding is that it's fairly brutal. By the time you get to August, it's pretty like in degrees centigrade you're into the 40s or something like that. But it's a dry but it's a dry heat. So that's what people say. Yeah. Yeah. Still still very hot. Um, but okay. So we'll come to loads more events in a minute, but there's at least two for you. Well, three actually. WLDDN, loop conf, and uh press conf. Check those all out. Let's get to the the WordPress. Actually, just before we do that, I'll just go to a few of the comments. Um because we've got a few here. Uh Tammy saying she gave up on me for a bit. She'll convince me eventually. I think you will. I think it will convince me, but I'm, you know, I think AI and translations are a particularly like sweet spot. I don't think I've got any reservations about that. Um, and Tammy also says, "Yes, and that's also a safety thing for those traveling." I presume she's talking about um word camp. Sorry. I think that was about the AirPods, being able to understand what's going on around you. You're not standing there with your translator book. Yeah. So, translations, says Taco, work really well if the A has enough understanding of the context. Otherwise, you get really bad translation mistakes in Oh, that's interesting. Um, I imagine as with all tech, this will only get better. It will never get worse. And so if the if the entry from Apple is all right, then I imagine it'll just get better than all right each time. However, um Peachinary says, "Yeah, but you still need a hum a human to check the translation. The things that come out can be hilarious." Good point. Um yeah, Amia wasn't sort of trying on the podcast that we recorded, he wasn't trying to make the point that it's just sort of set it and forget it. I think a human has to be in the loop there, doesn't it? So yeah, that's a good point. Hilarious is also a best case scenario. Yeah. Yeah. Very bad. Just brings up your competitors or what have you. Uh there's also there has to be a delay. So this is the earpods. There has to be be a delay because of the order of the words in sentences is different between languages. That's a good point. I wonder when like can you imagine how fishly complicated this puzzle is to unpick? Like figuring out okay I'm pretty sure they've got to the end of that bit. Okay. Translate go. That must be a heck of a lot of engineering. And Patricia says about the card game, I got one I got once got pulled at the airport security for a stack of business cards. Same as the game. It creates a block that can be suspicious. Could be a box with something inside. Yeah, they just didn't like the fact that there were all these parallel lines. I think they thought it looked like electric circuits or something like that. So, that was kind of interesting. Um, Taco says, "I royally on Nennis underscores hate word camp Asia and press cons having conflicting dates. I don't want to miss either one." Yeah, unfortunately the um the die has been cast this year. But oh, do you know what, Marcus Bennett, if only there was a website that we could go to where somebody listed out a whole ton of events uh so that we could see when things were happening. If you could just Oh, wait. It's called the WP. Well, do you go that far into the future? Do people at this point yet reach out to you with prospective dates? Do you do any of that kind of stuff? Uh, a couple I have a couple that are just kind of a month and year and not full dates, but uh yeah, I have I have any event that I have some semblance of information for um that people are okay with me posting. Um, I'll add, you know, some people just kind of want to put things on my radar and are not ready to announce it yet. I'm not I'm not going to not going to pull, you know, put information out there that organizers don't want me to have out there just yet. But do you know what though? It would be a nice it would be a nice and I'm not asking you to build this, but it would be it would be a good thing to have a place where you could put prospective dates as well. So in this case, obviously that could have been avoided, but it wasn't because presumably neither of the parties knew what the other ones were thinking. And then by the time it was announced, they'd all everything been built booked up, the accommodations sorted and all that kind of stuff. It would be a place, it would be good if there was a place where you could just list out here's the 12 dates that we might do or the three dates that we might do or whatever and then people could go and kind of you know like those kind of collision things that you have on calendars to make sure that the three people involved didn't didn't um you know didn't conflict with one another. Taco says he's going to stop spamming us now. No, keep going, Taco. It's wonderful. I love it. Um and then more comments about what have you. Uh, and then Tammy out of nowhere lost my nail clippers at New York airport this time. Oh, damn. Um, I have no words. Yeah, that is dangerous. Yeah. Uh, do you mean lost as in they took them off you or lost as in you literally lost them? Right up to this then. Let's put this on the screen. What's new for developers? This is uh Ryan Welchure. Back to WordPressy stuff now. Um, what's new for developers? This is an article which comes out typically once a month, something like that. As you can see from the table of contents, there's absolutely loads in here. I'm just going to touch on a couple of things. Uh, and then you really you can go and have a look yourself because it goes kind of a little bit in the weeds a little bit later. But there's a couple of highlight items I want to mention. Firstly, WordPress gets an accordion block. Uh, not exactly brand new, but there we are. You now get the option to add an accordion. It comes with four sort of subsets. You've got an accordion, accordion item, an accordion header, and and an accordion panel. all basically all the bits that you need in a in an accordion given their own block. So that's quite nice. Uh you can also style input elements. So form elements with theme.json, a bit nerdy and technical perhaps for this one. Data views has received some updates as well which we'll touch on in a moment. And then um there's a few bits surrounding AI and playground as well. I'd encourage you to go and read that. kind of jumping off a bit from there. We got this what's new in Gutenberg piece 21.6 and uh you can see that the accordion thing is mentioned again. There's a little video of how it works. Basically all your accordion needs are now taken care of inside of the core block editor which is quite nice. If you've been using data views uh and especially their grid interface, you now have a few more options. You can basically just get rid of a few things. So, for example, titles can be hidden and you can now uh interact with the the different panels in the grid by hovering over them. So, you now no longer have to sort of click inside and open multiple menus, which is nice. Here's the bit that we were talking about. Select, drop down, and text inputs are now uh supported with global styles. So, for example, you could tell, I don't know, your website, I want to have a white border with a background, a border radius of three pixels, which is white on all form elements. You can do that now via theme JSON and uh a few other bits. I don't know if any of that excites any of you, but I thought I'd mention it. If it doesn't, I will just move on. If you've got anything to add, I'll pause for a second and you can hop in. I'm actually excited about the accordion thing just because I I dealt with it over the weekend and it just I just couldn't get it right. I I just I hardly ever do website development, but when I do, I have to remember how to do things because it's, you know, and and it's like I'm sitting here fighting with what I think should be the most basic thing. And I hopefully this will resolve that. I finally got it working. But it's kind of curious that in the old world of things like page builders or a plug-in which would have done accordions for you, you you basically had one little panel and you would set everything up in there. Now that everything's been atomized as a block, I actually think although in the end it's better, I think it's quite counterintuitive that that you have to like you got this parent container, then you've got a block which and then inside of that you got the content which fits in the according and it's not necessarily obvious if you're not familiar with opening up the the inspector on the left hand side and clicking on the different bits and pieces. It's not always that straightforward. It it took me far longer than it should have. What happens if you put a an accordion container outside of the accordion? Does it block kind of good, right? You put the sort of thing, which somebody's going to do right away, though, isn't it? Uh, let's test and find out. Let's see if that's possible. I bet Tammy in the comments can figure it out. I was thinking if you put an accordion within an accordion and then did another accordion. How does that Oh, yeah. Accordians all the way down. Accordion seion. Yeah, basically. I don't know what would happen, but I imagine something would go wrong because I'm guessing that it's dependent upon that, you know, that correct you'd spend the next four hours trying to figure out which block you need to do. Yeah, that's that's what will happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that would be kind of curious. You I'm sure Marcus, as you've said, it would be trivially easy to drag out child accordion blocks from their parent container. But in a way, you'd want to protect that, wouldn't you? you'd want to have a UI where that were not possible, where you couldn't do that. Um, but I bet you can. Um, Tammy says you kill woos if you do that. Okay. Each time you do that, one of these cards don't do it. Don't do it. Uh, I don't know, but I I think Marcus, you're absolutely right. It will definitely be possible. So, there we go. Uh, anybody else want to talk about those couple of things? If not, I'll just move on. All righty. Moving on. It is uh this is only going to matter for a very small subset of you people. Tammy probably being one of them. Um two-factor authentication is going to be required for people with very important capabilities uh on the on make/core. So basically, if you have the capacity to update core, then you are as of the six 16th of September 2025, you're going to have to uh you're going to have to get 2FA set up. Let's pray you already did that and you know what this all means. If you don't know what 2FA is and you have core commit access, there all is lost. uh but you're going to be forced to do it because if you don't you're going to be you're going to be downgraded to having the contributor role and you'll suddenly log in and and nothing will be possible. So anyway, there you go. It's a step in the right direction I suppose in terms of making sure that everything is locked down just as you would expect. Um I'm surprised that wasn't done earlier in all honesty. I imagine most of the people have already done that but uh okay. Shall I move on or are you happy there? Moving on then. Okay. So, we've got a ton of uh event stuff coming up. So, we've already mentioned several, but here's a few more uh from the makers. I believe this is true. I'm I think I'm right in saying this. From the Woo, the LoopCon folk. Uh so, Brian uh from WP Sessions, they have announced the dates of Woo Sesh. This is a two-day event, it looks like. I for some reason I always thought it was a one-day event, but I'm probably wrong. Uh it's happening on October the 14th to the 15th. So, what's that about a month from today? It's virtual and uh yeah, you can basically go and get yourself signed up at the moment. Two days, 222 speakers, 17 sessions, infinite fun. And you too could save yourself $799 that arbitrary amount of money just just put in there. $799. No, no, no, no, no. It's free. Um, and obviously, you know, you can get get from the name, I'm sure that it's for those of you that are really into Woo. You're just using WordPress with no e-commerce. It'll probably be a curiosity, but maybe not up your street. But, uh, I've heard they have some really phenomenal speakers this year. Oh, go on. Let's Let's scroll down. I'm going to take the bait. Let's see who they are. Here we go. Oh, look. Look at that. That's Courtney Robertson. She's in the comments. That's nice. Let's keep going. Keep going. Great Michelle [Laughter] looking pretty similar to to Marcus as he is right now. Same sort of length beard, same Is it the same cap? Are you wearing the same different angle? Yeah, pretty much. Uh, so yeah, the great and the good. Look, we can see them all there. So, loads and loads of people. Do you know what yours is about? Oh, they got your uh they got they got your moniker wrong there. Look, they've got you still working. I think these are past. I've I'm Yeah, I think there's a past speakers. Okay, good. Cuz you didn't know you were doing it in October. Wait a minute. Yeah, I've I've spoken a couple times before at Wes, but I don't believe your email. That's okay. Great. Yeah. Well, in which case in which case I guess that website needs updating. But anyway, here we go. is the is the actual No. So, yeah, this definitely needs a bit of an update. So, they've obviously just launched it into the world and got a few bits and pieces to take care of, but if you're into it, well, may maybe this year it'll be $799. Maybe maybe it will. It'll actually cost loads. Better sign up. Yeah, better sign up. Uh anyway, there it is. So, it's available. You can go and check it out. Okay. And then moving on, let's go to I'm just going to move things out of order a little bit. Let's put that one first. This one came across my radar. I think it was in Dinda. So Da Vinda does a really nice newsletter which drops every Monday. It's called uh the WP weekly. You perhaps receive it already. And he's got a section where he talks about uh events and things like that. And this was one that I'd not heard of. So this is coming up in more or less exactly a month. I have translated this using Google Translate. So apologies if the the language is not what was intended, but it's called WP agency forum. You can the URL is exactly that wpag agencyforum.com and it says WP agency forum is an event created for web development agencies and professionals who offer WordPressbased services and seek to grow in a structured profitable way with a long-term vision. You know, like an agency basically. Uh and then if you click here, you can buy your tickets. Looks like this one is if you go for the online entry, you don't have to pay anything. But if you want to actually attend, I'm guessing it's in person. I'm not sure. Well, it says in person, but I don't know what the what that means in terms of dates and things or timings, but that's going to be uh €100. So, you can check that out. There's the speaker list. Just quickly scroll through it. Marcus Bennett is not on that one. Uh Mark Benzane disappeared, but he's back now. That's good. Hello, Mark. I don't know what happened there. Uh yeah, sigh of relief. Mops his brow. Uh you can go and check this one out. Okie dokie. Anything on that one, anybody? Probably not. Okie doie. I missed all of it. So, no, don't worry. It's a new I think it's amazing. I think it's so good. Amazing. Absolutely. Um, yeah, you're on the speaker list, Mark. I don't know if you knew, but uh right down at the bottom there, you're Oh, I guess I better check my You're doing the keynote. Uh, you've got seven hours as well on stage. It's pretty impressive. Really glad you w I'm And I'm so excited about it. And I'm learning Spanish. I'm learning Spanish just to be able to do it and really to pivot so beautifully into talking about WordPress and knitting like that is brilliant. I'm really looking forward to uh that no crochet crochet. Sorry. Okay, there's a difference. I've obviously obviously trodden on a Yeah, it's a sensitive talk. It's a sensitive thing. Uh and here we go. Here's another one. Um this is really interesting. I I wonder if this pattern will continue. Maybe this has been done before, but I've not heard of it. We're on the repository by Ray Mor. Go and check everything out that she does. She's a brilliant contributor to the WordPress news space. In fact, I'd go as far as to say she is the contributor in the WordPress news space. She's just brilliant. Uh she's written an article all about uh Word Camp. And I cannot get this word out in my mouth. Gina, I'm going to go for that. Gina, it's in Poland. and they've taken the really interesting decision to uh not only do uh the the conference in Polish, which you'd expect given it's in Poland, but also to offer the presentations or some proportion of in English as well. And it says here, when the conference kicks off on the 26th to 28th of September in the seaside town of Gina or city, sessions will run in both English and Polish. a deliberate move to open the event to international speakers, attendees, and sponsors. So, I don't know if that's like half of them are going to be in English or what have you, but it's Matt Czech Palmowski who's been on the show several times, and they just wanted to well, he says the shift has been about breaking out of what he calls Poland's comfortable bubble with three word camps now running annually in the country. He said the same speakers and sponsors were starting to circulate from city to city. The only way we can make the pool bigger is either to make the event kind of wider or add another language. Have you ever heard of this panelist? You ever heard of an event doing like a multilingual thing like that? It's everyone I've ever been to has always just been English because of the nature of where I've been, but yeah, I I have not actually. I think that's pretty interesting. Um most of the camps well here obviously in English but in you know Spain and and um you know other regions they generally just do in their native language. Um, so this is interesting that they've and and the reasoning makes sense, right? They have a pretty good turnout, but they seem to get a lot of the same speakers and same attendees because they've sort of I don't know, I guess box themselves into the region. And so this is their way of uh figuring out how to kind of broaden the circle and attract more speakers and attract more attendees. Tokyo apparently says Tammy was one of the places that has done this in the past. Yeah, I guess if you're in a little ecosystem, I I don't know what the WordPress community is like in Poland, but from what Matchek said in that article, it sounds like maybe it was just a recycling of the same people going around and so just widen it a little bit, offer it to English- speakaking uh contributors as well. It's kind of interesting. I I'm kind of torn a little bit actually because I think the English speaking world get a fairly good crack of the whip when it comes to WordPress events, if you know what I mean. you know, if you turn up to more or less anything that's large, like the flagship events, it's mainly done in English. So, yeah, I mean, I obviously can't criticize this because it's what that community wants to experiment with, but um there's a there's a side of me which kind of kind of wishes that it was available to grow uh in just by using its native language, but I guess that is probably not the case. So, there you go. Okay, look at this article though that made me laugh out loud. Scroll down just a little longer. Magic's quote. Oh, yeah. What did he say? I confess I didn't didn't highlight that. Where do we go? Stop there. Okay. Uh, Magic said, "One of the craziest things I learned this year is how much it costs to hire a pirate ship for an hour. The things you learn when organizing a word camp." Yeah. I mean, it can get very expensive like once you get into pirate ship hire. That's a whole another podcast. And then there's the Polish pirates versus like the Spanish pirates. Like it's it's a whole thing. It's robbery, but I'm just um yeah, I feel like there's a whole podcast thing in that. You know how expensive it is to hire a a pirate ship. Uh over to you, Mark Benz. Again, you're into making new podcasts. This is a bit like you catchy session title for Yeah, for an event session. Wait a sec. Pod pirate pirate podcast, right? Okay, I'm going to write that one down as the possible title of this. There we go. Pirate podcast. Um, yeah. The craziest thing I ever did with a word camp was I I tried to get Henry Winkler to show up to the Word Camp Milwaukee. The fawns. Well, because Milwaukee is where like we have the bronze fawns and our whole theme was like 50s. Uh, you know, and and to his credit, to his great credit, his agent responded to me and said he'd love to be there, but he's out of the country, but he's sending you a bunch of signed books that he's written. I got a I got a box full of that I gave away at as prizes at the word camp. So, you know, you never know. It doesn't it doesn't hurt to ask about stuff like this because what would I just love the idea that he would have contributed by basically walking on stage and going hey just walked up again that by the way Mark that sews the seed in my head you know how we're always talking about ways to sort of jazz up uh WordPress events I think that would be so interesting each event has to bring some celebrity just completely out of context. Get some celebrity to come on stage. Just do whatever they do for 10 seconds and then walk off again. Just as a bit Your choices are celebrity or pirate ship. Or pirate. Yeah. Or pirate ship. I don't know who I'd nominate. If I could if back in the day when it was when Elon Musk hadn't sort of thrown so much weirdness out there, I had a lot of I had a lot of ideas around trying to get in touch with Elon Musk and getting him on a podcast episode. I don't know who it would be now. If I could bring anybody to a WordPress, do you know who I'd like and it's a bit nerdy, but I'd like Lionus uh Torvalds. I'd love to get him on stage. That's kind of in the wheelhouse, though, isn't it? It's not that weird, but okay panelists, let's go through you one at a time. Who who in your life would you bring to a word camp? And it does not have to be related to WordPress at all. So, I'll start. It would be Lionus. And if it had to be somebody that was nothing to do with WordPress, it would be a British an English musician, British musician called Jacob Collier. I think he would be great. He's like this jazz musician, but he's he's a bit they a lot of people think he's like comparable to kind of Mozart and things like that in that he's got this depth and breadth to his musical knowledge which is not normal. He's kind of a superhuman when it comes to making. So I'd drag him on stage and tell him to just play as a song, Jacob. So, okay, there's mine. What about you, Marcus? Who would you drag along? Well, I wouldn't be a father of two girls if I didn't say Taylor Swift. Really? Gosh, that you are aiming high. She's like She's like the the top of the list, isn't it? If that doesn't get the youth into WordPress, I don't know what would. C Can you imagine if she literally is on WordPress, she is on WordPress. There you go. Can you imagine that? CIV hoster if you got her to an event like that would be chaos, right? Wouldn't it? There would be no way of managing that in a sensible way because you're right. It would be tens of thousands of young younger people showing up just to be in proximity. It would cease to become a word. Just she just needs to say the word WordPress and I think we'd have a whole different look. You could charge 60 bucks for those tickets. Oh, Taylor Swift. Imagine it. Okay. Okay. That is going to be my constant watch word. Let's see if we can get Taylor Swift onto this show at some point before the year 2096. Any Taylor Swift. Any Okay. Yeah. Any Taylor Swift. All right. That's a good one. I like it. You've aimed very high. Jess, what about you? Who would you drag? Oh, dead David Bowie. Oh, yes. M he would be incredible. Can you imagine his thoughts on futurism and everything? That's great. I love it. Yeah. Unfortunately, he's passed away. So, you've got to go for somebody who's alive. I'm sorry. They're the rules. No, the you didn't you didn't specify. It would be very awkward though if you brought David Bow. Slightly uh Yeah, the Oh, that's a gross thought. I'm never going to get rid of that. There's a great show in the UK. Uh I don't know if you've seen it, Jess. It's called Extras in It was a guy called um Ricky Ja starred in it. I think it was Extras. And in it, they had like all these cameo roles. And one of them was uh was him, David Bowie. And uh he he plays this song about Ricky Jves's character, and it's so humiliating. It's absolutely brilliant. You should watch it. It's got the song is called Little Fat Man. Oh my god. It's really good. It's really, really good. Uh, okay. So, there we go. We've got Taylor Swift. We've got uh Jacob Collier. We have got um um who did you just say? David Bowie. My memory. And finally to Marcus. I know you've said one already, but now that we've introduced it properly, who would it be? Um it's it would be between two people. Either I'm a big comedy fan. I'd either want Mel Brooks or uh or um Martin Short as Jiminy Glick. Okay. And if you haven't watched Jiminy Glick interviews, oh my goodness, that is so never get a working life. But Mark's doing short. I'm doing Steve Martin. Okay. Okay. There you go. There you go. Yeah. There you go. All right. Okay. And I've got a new I've got a new passed away one which is a British comedian called Tommy Cooper who if you haven't Googled him when this show is finished just do it. Spend three minutes of the presence of of of Tommy Cooper and marvel at how funny one human being can be without actually doing anything at all. Just makes you laugh just by standing still. It's absolutely ridiculous. Uh okay. Here we go. Pirate had a paisley ship apparently. Okay, that's good. Uh totally agree with you, Jess. I don't know what she's talking about there, but she's talking about Bowie. Okay. Of course. Yeah. And uh David in Extras was hilarious. He was hilarious. The premise of that show was brilliant. It was a It was a So, have you heard of Ricky Jaice? He did The Office, the original Office. Yeah, he became quite famous, I believe. And he did this show called Extras. And the whole show was based around him trying to get into a Hollywood movie as an extra, you know, just to be somewhere where he said one line. And so they filmed the whole thing from his perspective. And in the background were all these A-list celebrities. So like Johnny Depp and things like that, but the twist was Johnny Depp in effect was the extra because he had like one line in the show where he say something like, "Can you just go on over there?" And that that was it. That was all he got to do. And you know, so the A-list became the extras and the extras became the A-list. It was really cleverly done. And uh there we go. Apparently Taylor Swift's website is built with cadence and is so breathtakingly inaccessible. If only Taylor Swift had a few dollars uh lying around where she could employ somebody, you know, who was an accessibility expert. What are we talking about? Says James. Why? What the heck? Indeed. Indeed. He dropped the world's most incredible word camp panel. That's we're trying to imagine who would we invite to a word camp just to spice it up a bit and we ended up what you're listening to is something that went way off the rails. It really did very very quickly. But I love it when it does that. That's why this show is so much fun. Okay, let's get back on the rails. So that was us talking about um this uh word camp event in uh Poland. Uh this is a similar story to the one that Jess just announced. Obviously, Jess has moved from Pressible. She's now in charge, general manager at Rocket.net. Something similar, I suppose. Well, it's an internal promotion, but I thought I'd mention it. I don't know John Penland, but John Penland seems to have had a really amazing story over at Kinster. He has now become the chief executive officer, so CEO. And um in of itself, that's, you know, that's what it is. We've all heard of Kinster and what have you, but I I just like this actually. I like the fact that uh he he started out in Kinster as a support engineer nine years ago and he's risen through the ranks number of roles in sales operations customer success right up to chief uh executive officer and so I really don't have anything more to say than that other than that um the fact that he's worked there for ages means that says here the CEO transition is not expected to bring major shifts as he's been with the company and involved in leadership for many years. So, not having met him or know much about him, I guess I'd just say congratulations to John for uh your success over there. Okay. Right. More events this time, Word Camp Asia. If you uh are going to go to Word Camp Asia, it's in Mumbai this year, India for the first time. It's quite exciting. You will have to, of course, as Marcus said, pick between it and press conf. That's right, isn't it? That's the conflict. Press conf and this. Yeah, correct. Um, and but if you are going to make it and you fancy going, then they need speakers as they always do. And that call for speakers has now opened. This is a really great page. I know this is ridiculous and sort of getting in the weeds a bit. I feel some of the pages aren't done as well as this, so I'm not calling out any other page, but this page has been done, I think, really, really well because it demonstrates everything you need to know if you feel like applying. So, what kind of talks could you do? Lightning regular joint sessions, hands-on workshop. what can you speak about? And they've limited, which is curious, they've limited you to a certain uh certain arrangement of topics. AI, business, marketing and growth, community contributions and culture development, technical topics, design and user experience workshop. Maybe they're not limiting you, but they're still kind of covers most of it. Yeah, it kind of covers everything, doesn't it? But it's nice that it just supports you through that process. You know, where might you fit in and um and then how you might go about actually creating your uh sessions and keep it real and all of those kind of things. and what have you. And then you can see the dates and what have you. And if you fancy joining, you click this button here and you'll end up on a Google form which tells you that you've got until Halloween 2025 in order to make your submission. So you got absolutely ages, lots and lots of planning gone into this. So there we go. That I think is the last piece of event news. And then we're I just want to say please please they have done such a nice job putting together Word Camp Asia this year. I am fortunate to get to work with two of the organizers. Nice. And so I get to hear a little more than I think most people do. Um but I think that this is going to be one of the best years yet. It so so proud of the team. I have a sneaking suspicion just because of where it is this year and the and I'm going to use the word hunger. The hunger for word press in Asia seems to be remarkable. um you know it seems to be something which is really on on the rise growing a really credible career path and those kind of things and the fact that it's going to be in a country of 1.4 billion people and we know that some of the big hitting agencies and development houses are coming out of India. I'm going to predict that this will be the biggest event that WordPress has ever seen. I don't actually know if it has the capacity to be that. In other words, can the venue support let's say 3,000 or 4,000 or something like that? But it really wouldn't surprise me. I think in many cases sadly a lot of the people from India who would have been to other events maybe find the whole process of let's say visa application just as one of the hurdles. Maybe that was enough to stifle that event in terms of numbers. But I' I've got a feeling this is going to be a a whopper. So for that reason alone I think it would be curious to show up and see what it's like you you know a 4,000 plus WordPress event will be India has local events that are 6 800 people which is Y that's crazy and they they have a lot of a lot of them. It's not like there's just one or two you know COVID came and went and it seems to have risen off the back like a tidal wave in in um in my part of the world. it kind of just it all fell to pieces and it's very hard to get it to come back. So that hunger is going to be amazing. Um yeah, there you go. Echoing my thoughts there. Uh Taco, because it's in India, I think it has the potential to be the biggest word camp to date yet. I think we need a bit of that, don't we? I feel like it would be nice. I don't know what your thoughts are. I know that two of you at least me included three of us went to Word Camp US and um that felt like it was much much smaller than the previous iteration I think 973 tickets or something like that was sold. I could be wrong about that. So going to one which was big I believe would be amazing. Yeah. And Patricia I believe India doesn't issue visas for people from Pakistan. Oh really? Okay. That's news. That's intel that I didn't know. So if you're from Pakistan or Bangladesh, you will not be able to attend. That's I don't know if that's factual. So we should probably have them look into their Yeah, I would I would love to know if that's true actually, Patricia. I mean, I'm not denying your, you know, your sincerity there. But it would be good to know if that's actually the case. Uh the dog, uh Jess's dog, I think, had something to say there. Unfortunately, he did it in bark, and I don't speak bark. So, uh, I don't have the AirPods yet. AirPods. Yes. Yeah. No. Imagine the day when that happens and you can find That would be amazing. That would be absolutely amazing. Yeah. I wonder what the dog was basically going to say food or walk or door. It's only a matter of time. Really? It's only a matter of time. I believe someone had the audacity to drive in front of my house. Okay. Yeah. And that was it. It was outrage. A lizard crept across the driveway. That's what sets my dog off. Yeah, there's something that the uh non-Fidians don't understand. What's that? Oh, that Marcus said a lizard. Yeah. No, we don't we don't have lizards. No, no, no, no. We only see pictures of lizards. And frankly, that's alarming enough. That's the least of it. That's I thought you were talking about alligators. I thought you talking about alligators. That's happened, too. But do you actually get alligators like in the environment? Like do they wander about sometimes? So Marcus and I live near a lake that next to the Everglades is the most populous body of water in the entire United States for alligators. And it's because that's where they take the alligators that they find in people's pools and backyards and stuff. They do. They really do. Yeah. And so like how often honestly how often do you see an alligator just sort of hanging around, you know, just kicking the tire very frequently? Really? I if you came to visit, I could guarantee you an alligator sighting. Yep. Wow. That's mental. That's actually mental. If you'll uh if you'll forgive me, I I don't want to see an alligator. But also bald eagles and like red hawks and Oh, we have lots of hawks in this area. Happy with that. Just the alligator. But alligators don't typically eat. Look at us. We're going off beast again. So, so quickly. Um, they don't eat people, do they? Do they? They do. I bet they do. If you get close, they don't seek people out, but if you get close enough or threaten their families, then sure. Wow. They're not super aggressive like crocodiles, right? So, no. Most of the time when you hear somebody got hurt, it's cuz they're doing something stupid. They were doing something to them. Yes. Something. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'm a YouTuber. My dad inside his mouth. Oh, that's right. I'm a social media influencer. I'm going to f photograph myself. That's just that's just Darwin award stuff. Anyway, I mean it's it's natural selection at work. It's, you know, there's this um there's this award which is issued every year. You know, we have the Nobel Prize for um I think I mentioned this on a previous show. I'll just be quick. We have the Nobel Prize for outstanding contributions to something, you know, whatever it may be, science or what have you. There's a there's a body of people who put together the ignoble awards. Igno meaning, you know, kind of exactly the opposite of noble, although Nobel and noble are not the same word. And um and it's for the most pointless thing, like the pointless thing in whatever field. And this year, one that caught my attention was the science one. And the ignoble award for science this year went to went to somebody who spent I think four years of their life and their PhD was trying to figure out which way up it is best to transport an unconscious rhinoceros. Just what I mean I just toss a coin. Try it on a few. Tell me you were born into money without telling you. Oh, you got to be got to be born into money. Spoiler alert, it's on its side. James is apopleleic. James, tune out now for your own sanity. James, apparently the answer is rhinoceros. Yeah, apparently rhinoceros. Okay, let's get back to it. So, Taco had a comment. You can't be serious, can you, Taco? That would be phenomenal. So, the comment is, I'd love it to be the first word camp to go beyond 10,000 attendees. Uh, Taco, in all seriousness, c could you respond to that? Do you do you actually think that's plausible? Uh, 10,000 just seems like such a big jump, doesn't it? It's like 3x what the capacity is at the venue. I was going to say, what's what does the venue hold? Yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. But I mean, if if you could, you would, right? And it seems like India would be the the single country on earth at the moment. Um, okay. Patricia was doing a bit of a check. It it was told to me by somebody from Bangladesh. Okay. Thank you. So, uh, and then isn't it visas that they need? Says Tammy. I will stick to being next to sheep in a river with frogs. Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets here, Tammy, as well. I like it. Uh, but does Gosh, honestly, does it does alligator taste like chicken? That's got to be this episode title. It does. It does. Oh, does it? Oh, right. I'm going to write that down as the title. Alligator tastes. It's It's a little chewier, but it basically tastes like chicken. Side note, Marcus, I think our next meet up needs to be at Black Hammock. What's that? Okay. Get some alligator tenders. Nuggets. Alligator nuggets. They serve gator bites. It's a It It's a restaurant/airboat facility that is on the side of the lake that we were talking about with all the alligators. The vegetarian credentials of this show have just fallen out the floor. I mean I I have no words. Yeah. Okay. Uh several several regular word camps says taco in India have tw bloody neck. Several regular word camps in India have 1,200 plus attendees. So I don't think uh 10k is impossible. So you were being serious. Okay that what an aspiration that would be. Let's hope the event uh organizers have the space to put those in. So getting back to where we were. So uh call for speakers is basically where we started off. That's where we started. That's where we started off and then we ended up with eating alligators. Well, it's probably best we don't leave a ton of time for one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. Quickly then. Uh I have no idea what this Quickly. Let's not talk about this at all. No, no, I think this is good. I think this is a good one to talk about. Um but I am going to I'm going to couch it in my utter lack of legal understanding. I'm just going to read read the bit at the top. So there has been a development for for many many many months now. The legal bits uh legal bits and pieces between automatic and WP Engine have been going backwards and forwards as before. Rey from the repository tracks it better than anybody that I know of. She does the hard work to make it understandable. Like she literally attends virtually the entire uh you know the entire court proceeding which is going a bit above and beyond. So yeah um but I don't really understand what's going on but I'll just read out from Matt's blog. Matt being Matt Mullenwag uh produced a piece uh what date was it? Does it say it on there? It doesn't. It was a few days ago. Uh and he says, "Just got word from the court um that the court dismissed several WP Engine and Silver Lakes most serious claims. Antitrust, monopolization, and extortion have been knocked out. These were by far the most significant and far-reaching allegations in the case. and today's decision uh and and with today's decision the case is narrowed significantly. There are then links to uh Gibson which I presume is the court um sorry the um the legal company that they're using. I'm not entirely sure. Um but no doubt if not already I'm sure Ry will appraise us of what this what actually this all means. But obviously things are moving. Um, and in this case, uh, Matt appears to be, uh, satisfied with the way that they've gone there. I don't know what that means for the future or how much we've got left, but I think the end of 2027 is more likely when all of the, uh, all of the shoes will drop, but that's all I have to say about that, unless any of you want to mention it. I think antitrust and monopolization is really hard to prove, so that doesn't surprise me. I am a little bit I'm a little bit surprised about the extortion one. Uh but um but you know I I'm not a legal expert either. I've just been following from the peanut gallery like most of us have and that that one sort of surprises me. Um but uh but it'll be interesting to see what the rest of them where the rest of them go. And like you said, Rey will be able to put out a really good piece on all of this explaining it in words we all understand. Well, and the interesting thing about that is even when Rey does her absolute best, I still have to read it two or three times to get any kind of level of comprehension, the the thickness of it and the depth of it all and the minutia of it all kind of makes it almost impossible for my tiny brain to to follow what's going. And because there's such long periods of time between that thing and the next thing, I kind of lose context as well. So, I can't really keep a track of, well, okay, where does that fit in? So anyway, it's over to the lawyers, but something has been decided. Something has been thrown out uh by the court. Uh Courtney says, so getting back to that, uh Cloudfest Europe, that was 10,000 people, so it can be done, man. Though that was they had an entire theme park. Yeah, they got a theme park, you know. I mean, they got they got all the fun going on there. Uh okay, dragging us back into eating alligators. Okay. Uh sorry, it's got to be done. James, he's he's from being confused to participating. That's I was going to say he was he was the he was the director here that was keeping us on and now all of a sudden he's this is acceptance. This is James just accepting where we're going. I love this show because it's like this. This is why I love it. If it was just really all about WordPress all the time, I don't think it' be anything quite as interesting. The fact that it goes off the rails is great. James, this is the last time that two Flidians are allowed to be on the show at the same time. I feel that rule coming. I'm so excited. It felt like when your work bestie gets scheduled with you. It goes straight into the alligator conversation. Uh, I have tried alligator, says James in New Orleans. Uh, no, he's not in New Orleans. He's tried it in New Orleans. Alligator fritters with a creamy parsley sauce. That sounds good. Actually making me hungry. Yeah, that actually sounds good. Okay, here we go. I think the difference between So, this is Taco. We're on to the Matt's piece now about the the legal action. Uh, Taco says, "I think the difference between Matt's article and Ray's article is interesting." Oh, she's written a piece already, has she? Okay. Thanks, Taco. Maybe we'll draw that out next time. Matt's claiming a win feels uh optimistically said. Okay. Right. Okay. So, Taco, you're saying that there's a different there's maybe a different spin on it presented somewhere else. Okay. I will have a look at that. And then Iran, hello, Imran. Imran Sadi from Web Web Squadron. Each time Matt's claimed a win in the WP Engine WP WP Engine drama never really is a win. Yeah. Okay. So, thank you. So, we've got two very different approaches there. I'm reading off the Matt version of things and it would appear that maybe Rey and Taco and Iran have got a different opinion. Well, I shall go and so you're saying you're saying looking at uh something that's written from a third party objectively might be more appropriate than reading something that's written by one of the uh the participants. I think that's what they're saying I think. Okay. Okay. Got it. They're saying yeah uh I will go and have a look. I will go and see what I can see in the future. Right. Okay. From one extreme to another. Let's move on. This is a few pluginy bits that came my way. um usually from other people's newsletters and things like that. I can't remember where this one came from. Might be the WP Weekly again. Uh Woo Commerce people, I don't know if this will be of interest to you, but this is version 1.0. Uh it's called I'm going to try to pronounce it. It's called Wavini Search. Um and I'll just read the bits and pieces. Uh enhance your Woo Commerce store with Wavi Search. The smart and custom customizable search solution for transforming the way your customers shop. Uh, and I'll just read one more sentence. Unlike standard WooCommerce search, Wavini delivers instant, relevant, and accurate results. Uh, helping users find what they want faster and boosting your store's conversions. When I read it, I saw this phrase, tokenbased search algorithm, which made me feel like AI was a part of it because that's the only context in which I've really heard tokens being used. So, I don't know if that's the case, but uh, maybe it's worth checking out. I don't know. But anyway, there's that. Uh, anybody? or move on. Yeah. Okay. Back to AI though. Somehow fix search query loads then I'm sure it'll be helpful. I just don't know how it works. Okay. My guess is the AI at the end of Wavi is intentional that it is. Oh yeah. In some way AI powered. Um yeah. I mean WordPress and WooCommerce search is one of those things that we're just going to continue to battle with. So, if anybody comes up with a really great one, have at it. Okay. Thank you. Isn't it amazing that after all these years after all these years, we're still working on like a search that works. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, well, they work. It just takes forever. Yeah, they they work. Yeah. If you think about it, every time you do something like a Google search, the context that's added into that is so immense. and and now just going from that list of links to to something much more personalized is pretty I mean it's amazing you imagine what's going on in the background and we've just got this basic search which takes absolutely ages it does seem like you know because of the grunt work that they've got going on in the back end they can do a lot can't they little little odd hosting company stakes for commerce though if you can get really good search for commerce and increase conversions you get the right products in front of the right people that can make a real So, yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, Tacoing. Oh, yeah. There you go. Thank you. I wonder wonder who you'd be recommending in that scenario. Uh, Jessfrick from rocket.net. I wonder which obvious. Yeah. Oh, did you hear that? Ah, that was that was the first insult I think I've ever heard on this show. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We We don't actually need to be on this show together anymore. Just if you just get in your car with still getting alligators at his house. I think I think you each need to get a lawn sign. You need to have a lawn sign that says Rocket.net and Marcus needs to have one that says Bluehost. Yeah. And you know, and then it'll be like be the battle that nobody in our community understands. That's right. I don't understand the science. I'd say Jess, just nip around there during the night and just put a couple of alligators on his lawn. you know, show him who's boss. That's all there is to it. U Taco knows the team apparently. Uh if we look at the uh the plugin again, you can see at the top it says byia. I'm going to go with that. See or VI AI it's got at the end. Uh he says the team is really nice and skilled. So curious to see what they built. Uh and oh the peacemaker. The peace There you go. I like blue rockets as well. That's good. I like it. Saved by the taco. Very good. Love it. Thank you for your contribution, Taco. That's always the diplomat. Always the diplomat. If you have very large pockets, then get into the AI business because it would appear that, you know, two one and a half billion dollars is the kind of amount that you may have to hand over to people whose data you stole. um or took. So this is the anthropic story. Last week um they agreed to a 1.5 oh it's barely able to say it 1.5 billion. Just say that out loud. It's 1,500 million dollars that they are giving because uh they in order to train their Claude model they went out and ripped a load of books. And the authors, as you'd imagine, uh, were not entirely happy with that. And so, in order to make this go away, they're offering to give each elible eligible, I think it's not author, I think it's eligible book $3,000 each. So, add it all up, it comes to $1.5 billion. Obviously, if you've got lots and lots of books like Stephen King may have, I'm just making his name up. I have no idea if he's got anything to do with this lawsuit. This may be worth tens of thousands to you potentially. I don't know. hundreds in his case. But uh yeah, and the it really does go to show the the kind of the basis upon which the stuff that we're now using all over the place, AI all over is kind of built on a bit of a shaky foundation or at least the foundation which if you can satisfy it financially is solid, but if the if the authors in this case of books are going to come after you, what an eyewatering number of dollars that is. That's just insane. Anybody want to come? just read that um Perplexity is being sued by Encyclopedia Bratannica. Yep. Similar issues. And I think we're going to continue seeing this. And I I do kind of wonder. Um so one of my favorite movies ever is Boondock Saints. And the director famously made no money on it because he had most of his contracting, you know, finances tied up in VHS distribution. And of course it got pirated and then everybody, you know, cult classic and the guy made no money until like Boondock Saints 2. I kind of wonder how that's going to play out in this world of AI and the lawsuits and you know IP um ownership and you know how many authors are not even going to see a penny of their work being you know redistributed by AIS because some you know book publisher had digital rights or you know some some weird little clause somewhere. Um, it'll be really really interesting to see what that means and also, you know, how how people will be interested in distributing their content going forward as a result. That's the bit that's kind of interesting to me is is this bit here for publishers and creators. Oh, no. Uh, sorry, here we go. Uh, if you rely on AI tools in content workflows, provenence now matters more. So, so this is me and you, you know, nothing to do with anthropic per se, but if we've been using an AI and producing content off the back of it, I I don't know how you would ever kind of notice that that that the content from a particular author had been used, and obviously this lawsuit presumably sweeps that whole thing away from anthropic anyway, but it does raise the question that if your content was consumed by an AI and somebody kind of, you know, with an AI's help spins up another bit of content which is similar to yours in some obvious way. Um, yeah, it's interesting. I've seen a few bits online where people have created a brand new utterly unique bit of content, you know, literally just made up a speurious kind of band or something like that and then written articles about them only to find that, you know, if you then go a few days later to an AI and ask it information about it, it knows about them and it takes your stuff as being true because it's the only stuff it can find. So, it's kind of fascinating, but it's caveat emptor really. we get what we uh we get what we wish for. They're definitely built on our product and and I'm still on the fence. I don't really know where I sit on that because I want the open web. I want everything to, you know, if you put something on the web, I want it to be free and available for everybody to consume. It's where it becomes transformative. I don't know where that lie, you know, where that line in the sand is. You have very different laws in the US around things like free speech and things like that. So, well, yeah, like what constitutes a remix as opposed to derivative? Yep. But also just the capacity to say no, I never agreed to any of this. You know, I put my stuff online. Yes, sure, I did that, but I had the expectation that you would come to my website or at least a search engine would drive traffic in my direction so that I would benefit from it. Not now. Nobody's ever going to consume my stuff cuz it's going to be regurgitated out or the a or I don't know a search engine's just going to cream off the best bits and recycle it as if it was their own content. It's the battle of our time. I think um it's a it's a lot of money too, obviously 1.5 billion. But I wonder too if it's just kind of cost of doing business for some of these because while the article says that they're going to destroy the, you know, the pirated books, the data is already in in Yeah, the training data is already there. They're not going back through training data and pulling that stuff out. As far as I could tell, they're just agreeing to scrap the pirated copies of books that they have. Oh, is that what it is? So they're just going to delete that corpus of information, are they? Yeah, that's what it looked like in the article, but the training data is is done. You know, that that information is already in their models already. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it's Yeah. It's just a just a cost for them, you know. Okay, we got caught, we paid the bill, and uh now all this data is in our trading model. I think Taco sums it up really well here actually. Thank you, Taco, as always. Very cogent and thoughtful analysis in a couple of sentences. Summed it up nicely. Open and free are not the same. Kind of I often conflate the two things as being the same. I think in some way when talking about the open web, we need companies making money if we want the web to be sustainable. That's that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? It feels like the AI is a winner takes all kind of mentality. Um, which doesn't feel like it's in in everybody's best interest. I'm sure it will be in the interest of the VCs and the shareholders in those AI companies, but it doesn't seem to have the long-term interests of all of us out there. Anyway, there you go. So, hopefully if you've got a book uh or indeed, as David said, if you've got a non-existent book, you can go and see if you can get $3,000 out of anthropic uh for the book that you never wrote. That sounds good. Couple of hat tips this week. Couple of bits I wanted to mention. Firstly, um, this one, uh, from Remus. This is far too technical. Remus Dice, he's often on this show. Uh, far too technical to go into here. Sorry, I was trying to get rid of that caption. There we go. Let me put that back. Um, and he in this piece talks about the the WordPress loading sequence all about uh technically what happens when you uh visit a WordPress page. What what are the bits and pieces which are occurring? And as you can see, if you can see this, I'm scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and there's a lot. Uh, one thing that I want to know, Rim because is what the heck is this font? I want to know. Yeah, I was like, what's going on with these headers, man? Like, look at this. Look at this letter A, for example. Look at the way the kind of Look, it looks like an Look, there's this like pointy bit here and there's a fold here. Same with I'm loving it. It's really nice. But I wonder if it's a custom one that he's got because I've never seen that before. Anyway, so that's the first piece. And then the next piece is he's been hard at work, Remicus, on a on a speed up your website. It's called the complete blueprint for blazing fast WordPress sites. Uh he's been talking about this uh with me and many other people for many, many months, and he's been sort of finessing it and getting it all done. It's now ready to go. Uh so I'm going to just point you to the URL. It's within WordPress. No, it's not. is within wp.com/courses/makewordpress fast and each of those words is hyphenated but if you just go back to remcaste.com and then you hover click on the courses section you'll be able to see it's here as well and it is a really really deep dive into how to make your you know how to pick up if your WordPress website is um is not as quick as it should be obviously one component which two of the panelists here would be interested in would be the the host hosting side, but there's a ton of other stuff going on. And in 25 modules, he breaks it all down. So, if this is your bag, you want your WordPress site speeding up, then uh go and check it out. There we go. Right, we're fast running out of time. Okay, should we end here? Let me just see what the other bit Oh, let's just mourn this for a bit, shall we? A tear to your eye. Uh WordPress didn't have to win the battle of the CMS's, but it kind of did. There were lots of potential rivals back in the day and this was one of them. Uh this was coming from a well typad. The story here is that typad is going out of existence. It it' be a bit like WordPress.com. I think it that would be the best way to describe it. It's a it's an online version of movable type which was a CMS. There's this long and storied history of how uh typad came to be and selling of it and it being bought by various people. But the point is, if you have a type pad piece of content, if you've got a website out there, then it's going to die. It's going to disappear. So, you've got just a few months, I think it's October, uh, so coming up very soon, they're going to shut off the servers and the whole thing is going to go uh completely dark, which is very sad because it does mean that probably thousands, maybe millions, I don't know, of pieces of content on the internet will go out there only to be found on, I don't know, archive.org Or uh you could always somewhere a claude is licking its lips. Yeah, that's exactly but you could bring them over to WordPress of course. I imagine there's tools and services to just I didn't get a chance to to read this is type isn't going away just Typad. Is it possible for people to move? So this this just goes back to the to the argument of owning your own content, right? And being able to move. So if you host a movable type site somewhere, you know, can you move your typad site to elsewhere still on movable type or I don't know the way the CMS is still hanging around I believe. Yeah, the CMS is still hanging around. So this I think is a bit like the com version of WordPress where you know you pay a subscription fee and the this you know your content will exist until you stop paying the subscription fee. Um the I think that's the case here. So, I imagine there's ways of consuming that content and throwing it over to WordPress. Maybe somebody in the uh in the comments can help us out. But anyway, it's going to go dark. They are going to turn the servers off slightly unexpectedly because they said just a few months ago, earlier this year, that they had no plans to do that. So, it is with a tear in all of our collective eyes that what was once a thriving rival to WordPress is uh is going away. So, two parts, one of them is going away, the online hosted version. So, if that's you or a client, time to get them uh on some different hosting. Right, very last one. Last week, we showed you a website which was like Windows XP. I don't know if you uh remember that listeners, but um we showed a website on the screen which was just like the operating system Windows XP. It was breathtakingly similar. And so, just as we end, I'll raise you this one. This is the posthog.com website. I have no words for this. This is This is like This is next level stuff. I've never I don't think ever seen anything quite as in-depth as this as a website before. So, if you're listening to this, it looks I don't know, it looks like a distribution of Linux or something like that. It looks like a desktop and there's a bunch of items and it does not matter which one you click on. this interface opens up and every single bit of it gets you somewhere completely different. Like it really is. It's like an operating system. It doesn't matter where you go. Let's open up I don't know whatever this thing is. You've got this whole then you can like do searches and filters and I mean what the heck they spent a lot of time on this. Oh, I mean literally I if I started work on this now, I would be like the age of Gandalf and I still wouldn't be anywhere near finishing it, you know? It's just absolutely blooming ridiculous. Here's their doc session. Um, so anyway, I would just say go and have a play because it's absolutely remarkable. It's a go to the pricing though. I think pricing was one of my favorite parts. The calculator over there on the left on the left. On the left on the left pricing. Okay, we get a Yeah, I love that they had a box with a disc. That's my favorite. That was That was it in the day. Pay as you. But isn't it amazing? Oh, and the best bit my favorite bit that I discovered I think it was in trash. Was it in trash? Yeah. If you go into the trash, they actually filled the trash off. And one of them is employees feet pictures. Oh boy. actually actually put pictures of their employees feet and labeled them things like plenty of feet, questionable decisions, lobster toes, and so on. But I mean, what the heck? This is the stuff that's just in the bin. Like long-term. Anyway, I just think it's a completely remarkable website. Yeah. Absolutely phenomenal. Absolutely amazing. Yeah. There you go. Postthog.com. God knows whether they'll get any sales generated from it. It's a SAS app. I don't even know what it does. Yeah. Lots of traffic, I'm sure. Just cuz it's a lot of fun. Okay, I think that's it. That's what we've got time for. So, if everybody's all right, I'm going to call this episode alligators taste like chickens. Uh because I think that kind of perfectly sums it up. Yeah. Look, Jess is limbering up. She's already She's already ready. My lunch is stretching it up. Humiliating handwave time. Has everybody got their hands at the ready? Mark, are you able to join us in this? Marcus, that's lovely. There we go. Thank you so much. I will use that. This episode will come out on well, tomorrow, the 16th of September as an audio podcast. That's why we do it really, to get it to you in audio format. That's the whole point. Um, but it's nice to get everybody on the screen. That's lovely, too. Um, so it only remains for me to say thank you uh to Jess, the general manager at rocket.net. Also to Marcus Spanet from the WP world as well as Blue Host and Mark Benzerane from MainWP. Thanks for joining us and of course it goes without saying thank you to you if you were joining us live. Really appreciate that. You keep the whole show going and uh make us very happy indeed. Don't have nightmares about alligators unless you live in Florida in which case you probably should be worrying about them right now. See you next week. Take it easy. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye., This Week in WordPress #348, WP Builds, 01k59nzx3e168dvddrz5av4crt.