Uniting WordPress YouTubers: Kickoff Call  ## Metadata - Author: [[Anne McCarthy]] - Full Title: Uniting WordPress YouTubers: Kickoff Call - Category: #articles - Document Note: Anne McCarthy's "Uniting WordPress YouTubers: kickoff call" delves into a recent meeting aiming to bring together WordPress content creators on YouTube. The call highlighted the significance of fostering communication, collaboration, and content creation within the WordPress community, with a focus on supporting core developments and providing valuable insights through diverse content strategies. Participants shared their dedication to producing WordPress-related content and contributing positively to the community. (This blurb will not be that good until you heavily personalize the prompt.) Background: I am writing an article about WordPress 6.6 for GoDaddy's blog with the goal of creating the most comprehensive piece that ranks first in SEO. 🔍 Conduct thorough keyword research to identify high-ranking SEO keywords related to WordPress 6.6 and ensure they are strategically incorporated throughout the article. 📊 Utilize on-page SEO best practices such as optimizing meta titles, descriptions, headings, and images to improve the article's visibility and ranking on search engines. 🚀 Enhance the article's value by including in-depth analysis, practical tips, and relevant insights about WordPress 6.6 to establish it as the go-to resource for readers seeking information on the topic. 1. What are the key goals and objectives of uniting WordPress YouTubers as discussed in the document? 2. How do YouTubers in the WordPress community perceive their role in contributing to WordPress core and supporting its growth? 3. What strategies and challenges are highlighted in terms of creating unique and valuable content related to WordPress within the YouTube community? # Title: Discussion with WordPress YouTubers --- tags: #WordPress #YouTubers Author: AI Researcher Source: AI-generated Reference: N/A --- ## Table of Contents: - Introduction - Discussion Highlights - Future Collaboration - Conclusion ## Index Creation: - WordPress - YouTubers - Content planning - Page builders - Outreach ## 📝 Summary: A group of WordPress YouTubers gathered for a discussion about their shared experiences, pain points, content planning, and possible collaborations. The aim was to connect, share knowledge, and explore future opportunities for staying in touch within the community. ## 📖 Main Content: The conversation delved into various topics such as the challenges faced by WordPress content creators, effective content planning strategies, the pros and cons of different page builders, and ways to enhance collaboration among YouTubers in the WordPress ecosystem. It was an open and inclusive discussion aimed at fostering a sense of community and sharing insights to support each other's growth. ### 🗒️ Notes - Pain points of WordPress YouTubers discussed - Content planning strategies shared - Page builders compared and their effectiveness debated - Future collaboration opportunities explored - Inclusivity and community building emphasized ## 📖 References: No external sources cited. ## 🗣️ Paraphrase: 1. The gathering of WordPress YouTubers on July 3rd, 2024 aimed to facilitate connections, exchange knowledge, and discuss mutual challenges in content creation. 2. The meeting welcomed all participants and sought to establish a supportive and collaborative environment for the community. ## 🧪 Hypotheses: 1. Increased collaboration among WordPress YouTubers could lead to more diverse and engaging content for viewers. 2. Implementing shared content planning strategies may result in more consistent and successful content creation efforts. ### 📊 Methodology: Utilize surveys to gather insights from WordPress YouTubers on their pain points and preferences. Conduct interviews with successful YouTubers to understand their content planning strategies and best practices. ### ❓ Questions: - How can WordPress YouTubers overcome common pain points in content creation? - What are the most effective strategies for planning engaging WordPress-related content? ### 🔮 Future Research: Future studies could explore the impact of collaborative content creation among WordPress YouTubers on audience engagement and channel growth. ### 💡 Implications: Enhanced collaboration and knowledge sharing among WordPress YouTubers could lead to a more vibrant and supportive community, benefiting creators and viewers alike. ### ✅ Logical validity: The discussion among WordPress YouTubers showcased logical coherence, open-mindedness, and a supportive tone, emphasizing the importance of community building. ## 🎯 Conclusion: The meeting of WordPress YouTubers was a valuable opportunity for connection, knowledge exchange, and collaboration within the community. By fostering inclusivity and sharing insights, the group aims to enhance the quality of content and support each other's growth. - Document Tags: [[technology]] [[wordpress]] [[youtuber]] - Summary: WordPress YouTubers are coming together to share feedback and ideas for the WordPress core. They discuss creating content and engaging with users to support the WordPress community. The focus is on collaboration and learning to enhance the WordPress experience for all users. - URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJVLy2H1AWU Anne McCarthy: All right, it is July 3, 2024 and this is a kick up, kickoff call for uniting WordPress YouTubers, which is just honestly a huge thanks to everyone who's joined this call and everyone who's doing the work to educate folks. I post YouTube videos, but I do not consider myself at the caliber of the folks on this call and the hard work that you all do to educate folks, bring people along, share cool, new things, all that good stuff. And so this is an effort to get folks in the same room. I know you all probably talk in other avenues, and to get feedback into WordPress core, so we can learn from what you all are seeing and your interactions with users, what videos are really popular, what people are asking to see, what bugs you might find, all that sort of stuff. I want there to be some bi directional push pull on that and tied to it. I want to be able to see what we can do. Nick and I both are sponsor contributors to the project, and he also does videos. And so I would love to see what we can do to help you all, whether it's providing information, answering questions, all that sort of stuff, just empower you all to do what you all are already doing and contributing back to the project, whether you realize it or not by the content that you're sharing. So that is to set the stage, kind of the gist of the call. And with that, I do have a couple of I want to do intros first and get a sense of name, location, link to your channel, maybe while you got into YouTube. But I want to keep that pretty tight, just because we do have a number of folks on the call, and then we can dive into some of the discussion topics. And I want there to be time at the end for open floor. So I'm gonna do, we're gonna do a round robin. I'm gonna pick on Josh. Josh Hall, will you Unknown: go first? Honored to go first? Well, everybody. Great to meet you. I don't think I've officially met anyone. So great to meet everybody and see everybody. I have a YouTube channel under my personal brand. My website is Josh hall.co I actually have most resources about the business of web design, but I am a WordPress guy, so I do have a lot of tutorials around WordPress. I'm kind of known for Divi. Also Divi is my page builder of choice, and I have a web design community called Web Designer Pro. So that's where all of my resources funnel to amazing. I know it's hard to capture you all into one umbrella, which I love. We need people from all different sides, especially thinking about the business of a lot of this stuff, even though I'm dedicated to an open source project. Oh, and I'm from Columbus, Ohio. I meant to mention that I think cool, Joel, will you go next? Oh, yes. How you doing, everybody? My name is Joe Rivera. I'm from the Bronx, New York, and I am an independent, solo WordPress developer. I focus on WordPress themes, plugins, custom solutions. Do some side work with freelancing, and I have a YouTube channel under my brand name, picksumweb.com, p, i, x, E, M, W, E, B, and basically what I do is teach people how to code custom WordPress themes and help people within their WordPress journey. Been doing this for about a decade, part of the old guard where everything was just PHP, classic editor, and making the transition now to hybrid themes and the block theme nature of WordPress itself. It's been a journey since the beginning. And like everything, it evolves, and we have to evolve our communities as well. Yeah, I loved finding your channel and seeing that progression as well. Yeah, I try to also teach people how to, you know, code, in a more secure manner. So I'm doing a lot of videos now in terms of implementing different type of static analysis tools and dynamic analysis tools with PHP. Stand php. Som PHP fan and a whole bunch of other tools. So fun stuff. Very cool. Yeah, Barna, I'm gonna pick on you next Good to see you also. Yeah, long time not talked. Hi everyone. Good evening based on the time zone. For me, I'm Barna. I'm kind of the WordPress guy at Hungary, because that's where I'm from. Hungary, it's a little bit different situation in Hungary, because in Hungarian, there are not many tutorials and information available like on the English channels. So for the last last six years, I've been doing free tutorials and free complete course on how to use WordPress, how to use XYZ page builders and how to build a website, extra tutorials trying to keep people up with the WordPress latest news, like week ago with the 6.6 update. And yeah, I'm just kind of doing all that and doing some private help to keep well, to keep the coffee machine going. So that's me. Yeah. Anne McCarthy: I love it. Yeah, I you have such a in with the Hungarian community. It's really amazing to think about all the folks you've educated there. Nick, will you go next? Nick Diego: Yeah, I'm the only Nick here. Yes. Hello, everyone. I am a full time sponsored contributor, working with Ana automatic I work on a team focused on Developer Relations, so we do a lot of content, not as much video, but a lot of written content and documentation creation around developer related topics. And WordPress primarily focused on what's coming out in the latest releases. So there's a new feature coming out, I'll write an article about it and try to educate developers and hopefully everyone else who's creating content around WordPress on how those new features work and what they how they can benefit the community. Unknown: Good job making that succinct. Jamie, will you go next? Hi. I'm Jamie. I'm midway packing for cycling trips to New Yorker, and I've just realized I don't have enough room, some slight panic stations of what I'm going to do about that. I've run a plug in business and a WordPress training business and a YouTube channel focused around Gutenberg as I think, as a shortcut. Love it. You got the logo right behind you, which helps Mark, can you go next for sure? Guys, great to meet you, and thank you so much for the invitation of the call. My name is Mark szmanski. I'm based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. I started a WordPress agency back in 2018 been doing that completely full time for at least a few years now. Just love the platform. Love the space. Started with Elementor as a page builder. Recently moved to bricks, always watching, you know, Jamie's content, everyone's content about Gutenberg. Love the progression, everything like that. Happy to be a part of whatever conversations we can have around those types of things. Anne McCarthy: Sweet. Love it. My whole my dad's side of family is from Pittsburgh, so Ian's guys, I can, yeah, Unknown: it's a weird thing. Just, just so funny. Vijay, I don't know if you're able to chat, but I'd love to hear you next, if you can. Sweet. Yeah, it's all India, Bangalore. We own three brands. That is L extensions, Richie and so l extensions creates. We have a lot of plugins, WordPress and consulated, and then level it's more into content. So we create a lot of content related to commerce, as well as WordPress and E commerce in general. We have a YouTube channel, which we try to help people by creating a lot of content related to commerce, again, web plus two, right? So, and yeah, also that's all about it, and you will find a lot of learning kind of videos in Levo in the website, we have interview section where you will see a lot of WordPress setup has given an interview for us. So that's a great section to go on with. So yeah, so that's Thank you. You all cover a lot. Let's jump to Derek, next buddy, Derek Hanson, out of Ames, Iowa, with Automattic, working for a special projects team where I help build and launch sites as a technical account manager. So we're really focused on testing the latest and greatest of Gutenberg and pushing everything to the edge and contributing back into GitHub and to the various plugins throughout the ecosystem as much as we can. So excited to be here and hopefully be a part of this community in the near future. I love it. Nathan's driving, so, yeah, that's totally fine. Nathan Wrigley, thanks for joining Drive safe. Um, yeah, well, I mean, WP tavern, WordPress weekly, like there's a last application. Um, I'll save an introduction for him, but Jackson, I think you might be the last person. Do you mind going? Not at all. Can you hear me? Okay, yes. All right, cool. Jackson out of Brighton, south coast of the UK, and also Southern Italy, Puglia, where I spend as much time as possible, doing WordPress press in both places, at WP, Jackson on YouTube, in making videos for. About eight plus years, kind of on and off. So you know, consistency number one rule of YouTube, but hasn't been my hasn't been my forte, but back on it this year, and it's been going great. Was an original theme type dude, and then sort of got into page building very early. Moved to elemental for a few years, and then about two years ago, kind of fell in love with block theming when it kind of kind of started coming of age, and having looked back on that, and that's the focus now of the channel, and yeah, really enjoying this new, this new era of WordPress. It's brilliant. And, yeah, thanks for the invite. It's great to be a part of this awesome. Yeah, I want to, I'm sure you are noting it as we're going around. It's like some folks are focusing on developers. Some are on the business side. Some are with page builders. Some are with, you know, educating about Woo, that's intentional. I tried to get a spread because that reflects the WordPress space. And if there's folks on this call that you think would benefit in the future, if we do more of these, like, please let me know. This is definitely meant to be an open invite. And these, this is who was able to make this one. So if you're, if you're watching this and you're like, why am I not on here? Like, message me. Let's like, come on the next one. Because I definitely this is not meant to be exclusive. So let me see what Nathan, yeah, so with that in mind, I wanted to I was originally going to kick off talking about feedback loops, but I actually is listening as I'm listening to everyone talk, I'm curious to start with a more open ended question around what your main challenges are with your channels, and starting there very broad, if folks are game for that, just because I know sometimes in the folks that I've talked To, sometimes it's keeping up with what's happening in WordPress. Sometimes it's coming up with ideas and new ways to take on content. Sometimes it's like getting other people to contribute to videos or come on to the channel. So I'm curious, if you all had to summarize like top challenges, whether it's like one to three, what immediately comes to mind. It can be like posting regularly. Like Jackson just said, it's like, hard to kind of get into the group. I definitely use release cycles for that to dive back in. But yeah, I'd be curious to start with that. I think that might be a bit of an easier question, potentially. I know one thing for me that I'm seeing is a such a split between the page builders. Like, I think Mark mentioned he's now using bricks, I found that that's really common, that people, at least in my world, tend to focus much more on the builders of choice versus WordPress Core. So, like, that's the unifying aspect of all WordPress developers. But it does seem like there's a lot more questions that I see in groups and overwhelm and interest in the actual page builders, rather than than WordPress itself. I have some folks who are using strictly Gutenberg or block editor based stuff, but, yeah, I think that's one thing that's a bit challenging. Is, like, the questions tend to be more about page builders versus WordPress, at least from what I'm seeing. That's a great that's a great call. And by the way, don't like, I don't know Nick and I will never be offended, even though we contribute to a WordPress project like this is about having an open dialog. This is not meant to debate merits of anything. So you will not offend me by talking about bugs in the editor, like I probably have opened more than my fair share. So just want to put that out there and make folks aware. Yeah, what else comes to mind, I guess, if I could jump in at this point, yeah. So basically, like, what Jackson said, consistency is important, and finding that consistent flow of content to keep on message is always a struggle, right? Especially when you have a side business that you're running, you're, you know, juggling a lot of different responsibilities. For me, I try to cover on my channel, probably a little bit too much varying type of content. I jump between just straight up how to code a custom WordPress theme, to how to secure your WordPress website, to which plugins are the best, to which themes are the best. And then I go into regular PHP tutorials, HTML tutorials and stuff like that. So the consistency is key. But for me, I'm trying to roadmap, and probably somebody else will get a good idea out of this. I'm thinking about my next journey will be, how do we get classic editors, classic developers like myself, to transition to the block theme, Gutenberg type of, you know, projects moving forward, because that is obviously the future, and that transition is where we are right now. So I'm trying to figure out what's the best type of content. And WordPress has put out a bunch of good tools with the WordPress playground, with WordPress Studio, you know, giving developers a lot of good tools. So I'm playing around with that now and just. Trying to figure out what is the best content to put forward to one show, to transition from a full PHP classic themes type developer to a hybrid and or black themes type developer, and what pain points developers might face moving forward. Because I just like Josh said, a lot of people are using page builders, but there's still a large universe of people who are using just WordPress regular themes, whether it's a theme from wordpress.org or from, you know, another site and stuff like that. So that's basically what I'm focusing on. Yeah, I absolutely concur with that. I was at the, I was at the Brighton WordPress meetup last night. I mean, it was only tiny because it was, it was no speakers. It was like this, sort of, let's get together for a pint, kind of vibe, which is not bad. Talk about, talk about WordPress over a pint. Yeah, worst thing, worst things to do, but the thing, but the thing I found, you know, because I'm blocks all in, you know. And the thing I found, you know, there's only sort of eight or 10 people sort of there, but the you know, the majority of you know Joel, the majority of people there were just not into the new era of block theming and blocks in Gutenberg, which I've, I found, pretty strange. And we did have a discussion about, you know what? You know what? Where's it coming through? Where, where are people coming through? How's, how's the messaging going out there? And I guess this is what this, you know, with this is all about, but it's definitely, as a lot of people you know, with not even half a foot in, in the future of WordPress at the moment, as far as I can see, Hey, Jackson, can I ask you real quick on that note, the folks who you know, who are using the block editor, or just WordPress based core stuff, are they OG WordPress ers? Are there new people getting to work into WordPress who are interested in the block editor? Well, no, that's what that's that's what I'm saying. Josh, the the you know, almost every single person, apart from a couple of automatticians that were there, were pure classic themes, you know. And what you know, and you know, I was talking about stuff, and I was going what you don't know about, you know, synced patterns. And this is from, you know, whatever, however, many versions ago. And I'm almost sort of doing a sort of, like mini sort of streaming session at the, you know, the pub table, sort of telling everyone, well, you know, you've got to get into it, dudes, you know. So, so, yeah, it's quite the reverse. They're all, they're all still very much, you know, hanging on to that, hanging on to that PHP classic vibe. Gotcha. I think that is a Yeah, please, yeah. So adding one note from my side, like so we are into even developing WordPress plugins, as well as the content creation related to WordPress plugin. So elections is the site where you will see the WordPress plug in which we developed. So with respect to the Gutenberg, right, most of our plugins are more back and heavy, not that front end heavy, even then there are confusions for the developer, like whatever we have been doing in the back end. But yeah, a few frontal side also say for checkout page, right? Few of the things are not even now, not really working. So what I personally feel as a developer like Gutenberg, it's not fully ready yet, comparing to the previous, the older way of doing the things, right, maybe it will be ready soon. So that makes so but I know there is a hard push happening from WordPress side to get into the Gutenberg and then little stuff, right? But these kind of endpoints are causing confusion to the developers. So that could be one of the reason people are little hesitant, especially in the front end developers, right the inside, developers little hesitant to get into Gutenberg, yet maybe there are issues which are unknown because they are heavily dependent on that, right? So that's what I personally feel like. Yeah, yeah, my situation, yeah, just go ahead. Oh, sorry, Barna, please. I think my situation is more like a bubble or a salad, depending on which way we are checking it, because Hungary is it's a little bit unique in situation, because before me, there were no or really low amount of free content available, so the information couldn't really flow as quickly as possible. But now it seems like I'm I might have been a. All to proceed, sorry, to pursue beginners, to start to learn to like Gutenberg, even if they cannot use it, at least practice it a little bit, keeping them in touch about the full site editor that it is something that is coming, and that's it. So like it or like it. And something that I have noticed after so many years of keeping the updates in the community is that even the developers and designers started to use like 100% Gutenberg full site editor projects. So because of the beginners and because of what was the WordPress culture before me, in Hungary, they were going with Divi. They were going with WP bakery, and that's it. Nothing else, none of the classic themes, themes with a few functions. Nobody really wanted to teach about the WordPress basics. After that, everyone was going for Elementor. And I mean, I'm for capitalism as well. But it is very dangerous to say that if you're using XYZ page builder, then this is the theme that you need to use, because this is the best for that. And luckily, most of the beginners and most of the developers got out the memo that there are stuff like generate press and stuff like that. So even even after paid courses, people tend to get to my videos on YouTube. And luckily, with years of years of content provided, they somehow get this kind of like a pullback effect from from Marketing, and they get back to the drawing board. Like, no, you actually have to learn WordPress. You actually have to learn the basics. And this is why I said it's, it's it's a salad, because you're swimming against the current with the paid courses. You're working with beginners, you're paying you have, like, paid gigs where you have to teach on live courses for absolute beginners who will never learn full site at it for the next six months, at least, because they need something quickly. But then you have developers and designers friends, and the bubble is basically, it's the only issue here is just time. So, yeah, I was trying to figure out something clever to say, but yeah, basically, time, time is the only issue in Hungary is that not enough time to give you enough information and enough help for the beginners to get used to, because you're working against paid advertisement that are actually advertising against your your brand to get the beginners into their courses instead of learning WordPress basics, like this is where we start, not with a page builder. That's actually a really good point Barna, because I feel like from what I see with other platforms like Wix studio or Squarespace or Webflow, when they're marketing a newbie web designer or designer could just get going and learning Webflow, for example. But with WordPress, they're usually going to get ads for bricks or for Divi or breakdance or whatever, and then they're like, all right, I want to learn Divi. Oh, snap. I have to learn WordPress, too. It's like a two in one thing. I actually have a Divi beginner course, and it's specifically a WordPress Divi beginner course, because you got to know WordPress. So I think that is probably a challenge for all of us. I would imagine with teaching there's, it's kind of a two in one if you're going to use a page builder, yeah. But same thing with the block editor. I imagine you got to know the basics of WordPress before you even focus in on the block editor, yeah. Lucky with all the teachings that I got some partners that I'm doing, like full day life teaching for their students on how to build a website for their businesses, that's not their primary objective is just like a side gig, mainly. And with a few other projects like that, I'm always trying to teach people. Okay, we are doing the home page with Gutenberg, you know, like going section by section. Let's try it out with this. Then we try it out with whatever page builder, and let's see which one is which. Okay, you learned how to do the home page in 10 minutes with let's go with Elementor. But I'm going to teach you how to do with the privacy policy, the WooCommerce pages and whatsoever, with Gutenberg and shortcodes, because you don't need a page builder for that. So it's just constantly repeating ourselves, just to make sure that they understand that, yes, this is a step that you're never going to miss, or sorry you're going to miss, but you have to learn it once you get to that point. Yeah, if I could just expand on that for a second, that's something that I've seen again. There's like, there's kind of two prongs of it. We talked about a lot of different ones. Is like, kind of like, core, like, I say verses, but I don't mean like. Know, Like competition wise, but like core and page builders, like, kind of where you're at on that and then within page builders, where you at in that spectrum. So for my I just got it heavily into the WordPress community portion of it last six to 12 months, and, you know, that's where I've really started to, like, just observe everything. And it is a very interesting situation that we have on our hands because of the way that, you know, the transition from, I guess, the classic editor days to kind of Gutenberg, how the project has flowed, how it's evolving, but also how, like, I would call like gen two of page builders have come up, you know, like the bricks and, you know, they've seen like, Elementor Divi and all that sort of stuff. So that part is really interesting to me. And I talk about that stuff all the time with other people on the channel, so much so that a couple other creators, and I, like, we created like a bridge builder series. So we're having like, live streams of, like, this page builder versus this pager, page builder, like, not like, like, just just kind of showing the differences in a sense, or even core and everything like that. And we've expanded out to other platforms, off of WordPress as well. But the idea here is that when you start to, kind of, like, bring it back all together. I've also been going to some meetups, like, frequently, like, Zoom meetups in, you know, honestly, like a lot of them on the West Coast, and we've had some di wires. And just recently we had a couple di wires in one of these meetups. And it was very interesting to hear the perspective, because you have, like, we'll call it 10 professionals, just like us on this call, and we're all saying, oh, use spectra, use bricks, use whatever. And it's like, the blessing and the curse of WordPress is there's so many options, and I don't know how to solve this problem specifically, you know, be great if we did. But like, trying to, like, channel it into, like, more of like, a flow of like, Hey, this is where you kind of start. And I feel like that's kind of where we're going with the Gutenberg idea. And then if you need to expand, if you have to, you know, increase your tool set, you can do that. But I feel like that's one of the biggest challenges that I've seen, specifically, if we're talking about, like, beginners, di wires, that type of thing. And then obviously there's probably a separate set of concerns for people that have done it longer and are trying to scale and all that. But if we're talking about, like, democratizing publishing and for the masses, that's that's one of the big things, is it's really great. We love it because it's very robust, but at the same time, if you're not in it, then you're like, get overwhelmed, I think extremely quickly, just from analysis paralysis is kind of what I've seen. Yep. Can I have a quick question? Yeah, this is a question for everyone. When you're talking with your students, your friends in the community, how often do you find yourself in the situation when you have to describe the difference between, let's say, the Gutenberg Project against whatever page builder? Because people tend to, in my case, they tend to say that Gutenberg is a page builder, and I have to describe it as, no, it is an evolving project that is becoming more like a framework, and you will be able to do x, y, z, so not to mix the two together, because sometimes people say, like, Yeah, but you can do this with whatever page builder, yeah, but five or 10 years ago, we were using a little plugin to add an extra function there, even if it's just a few lines of code. And that's going back to the basics. If you like Gutenberg, you throw in a little plugin and you have five extra blocks if you need it, if you don't need it, then don't use it. It's just like going with the different mentality. If you, if you know what I mean, how often this comes up for you guys? Well, I don't give them the I don't I don't give them the choice. It's, it's a block theme or nothing else these days. But the thing is, there, like you, like you say, like you say, there are, you know, if you need a, if you need a specific functionality, then you can just, you know, bring that in like you say, in the old school way, which, to be fair, you know, I'm actually quite enjoying, sort of starting from a, you know, pretty blank canvas, and then, okay, Oh, heck, we don't have, you know, we don't have tabs in, we don't have a tab block, per se, in, in Gutenberg so well. But there's a, you know, there's a plugin for that, you know. Oh, there's, there's, you know, there's no icon block, but thanks to Nick, there's, yes, there is. Thanks Nick for that. Yeah, I guess I'll, I'll jump in here. Also, um, I work with a bunch of different types of people in terms of managing WordPress websites. Some of them are in the real estate industry. Some of them have been, you know, in real estate for years, and they don't really enjoy working on a computer in terms of managing website. So when I'm talking to somebody who is not really into technology, per se, then I ask them, what is their ultimate goal? And if their goal is to be completely hands off, then my default, because I am, you know, more old school in terms of how long I've been in WordPress, is I would probably tend to shift to. It's classic or hybrid things. Hybrid things more so nowadays. But if the person is more of a DIY type of person, then I probably steer them towards the block editor type component, because the way it looks now. We have to think about the future WordPress itself, and where is it going? And we know that powers 43% of the modern web. We know that it has over 60 plus percent of all CMS tools out there. And the thing is, how fast is it growing now in terms of how fast it was going in previous years? And that seems to be the issue. How do we get more growth out of WordPress? And I know we're all doing our part in terms of educating our communities and trying to get people to understand that. You know, ownership of your content is very powerful. That's what attracted me to WordPress. You know, in the in the initial stages, I said, I want to own my content. I like wordpress.org I could download the software, upload it to my server, one it on my own. Not everybody's like me. So for people who want to be more hands off, I would probably steer them towards wordpress.com, and then have them, you know, take on some, you know, take on the management of their own site. But it's, um, I think we're in a very interesting time, because we have the page builders, we have Gutenberg with the block editor, we have AI that is taking the world by storm. And a lot of these page builders are implementing AI functionality into their actual builders themselves. And then a lot of people are starting to wonder, like, what's the future of the Internet going to be like? What does it look like five years from now? What does it look like 10 years from now? I know that, you know, there's what was it a 50 year plan, or 100 year plan that Matt put out in terms of where WordPress is going to be in the future, and that's, you know, that's pretty ambitious thinking about what the internet's going to look like. My bet is that it's going to be here for a while, because while AI is so important, people still like to have varying opinions. And I think that you know, what we can do is try to find a way to direct the message or guide the message of, you know, which way to use WordPress, and it's hard, because, again, when you're talking about 800 million websites being powered by WordPress, it's kind of hard to say, you know, put people into specific categories or boxes 100% of the time and identify what's best for them. So for me particularly, I just talk to people and say, What are your goals? What are you looking for? Are you di wired, looking to self manage? Do you want to hand it off to somebody else? Do you need a management contract? Or do you want to just go, like, month by month, or whatever the case may be. I know I just ran it there and just got a bunch No, preach, go off. I'm like, I also love what you said, Joel, the little quote, little snippet that you just said there is like, now the issue is, you have to decide how you're going to use WordPress, and yeah, it depends on the client, depends on the needs, depends on a lot of different variables. I think that is the tricky thing. The other thing, and I've thought about this more recently, because I do help a lot of folks with the business side of web design, and people newer into web design, and I do feel for them, with the overwhelm of options. Like I got started with WordPress in 2012 previous to that, I use Dreamweaver. There really wasn't like that many options back then. There was theme for us and a few theme shops like that was about it. Now it's like, yeah, there's so many options, apart from different platforms like Squarespace and others, there's also just a ton of options with WordPress. So I think you said it though it's like, maybe our job is to, again, there's no right or wrong tool to use, but it's, it's if we love something, I feel like it's kind of our job to share why it works for us and then help people decide what path is best for them. The cool thing is, WordPress is still the core. Like, I feel like, if Divi gets bigger, if bricks gets bigger, if the block header gets bigger, like, it's all still WordPress. So that's pretty awesome. Like, as long as everyone's growing, WordPress is going to grow. Yeah, I totally I think part of this too, that comes to mind for me, is encouraging page builders to build on top of core where if you turned off the page builder, you wouldn't either be locked in, or you wouldn't have content loss, or things would break. So that's something that I know different page builders have approached in different ways. That's part of it. Nick, Nick Diego: I have a fun question to follow up that comment. So you all have YouTube channels, and I assume that the goal is to increase the number of subscribers and people watching your videos. So what have you found to be something that draws eyeballs, whether it be a specific page builder or creating content about bricks or, you know, so what are the things that you're seeing that are getting people excited about it? Granted, we all want to be supporting WordPress and whatnot, but like thinking about more from like a individual perspective, you trying to grow your channel. What are the things that are drawing eyeballs, like, what is getting people engaged with your YouTube? So, Unknown: kind of my content, I have, like a content plan where I've come up with different formats that I try and repeatable different formats. So WordPress speed builds as one where we Nikki been on it, where we have two players trying to build a website in 30 minutes. Have another one where my daughters come online and they try and use a plugin without like, like a beginner's viewpoint. So when I look at my demographics, I used to be like 90% male. Now I'm about 80% male. So that's been one of the aims of my channel, is to try and create some content that isn't quite so, I mean, I'm generalizing massively here, but has has wider appeal. Let's put it like that. So I'm trying to come up with these formats that are kind of unique pieces of content that you can kind of pick out, and they work on social as well. So I've done some around Gutenberg on that. So for me, it's around having a really good content plan that has unique formats that I know I can repeat quite often, because that's one of the challenges of YouTube creation, is to be able to repeat, repeat the thing, and also scale the content piece of the business. So, you know, a lot, some of my stuff is very shiny and short in terms of, you know, I've done some of my most successful videos have been like WordPress 6.5 in 250 seconds, and WordPress 6.6 and 250 seconds, those go gangbusters for me, because people like those short little bits of content, and they also work great on social, which I just embed directly on social. So yeah, I guess that's that those are the things that have flown for me. But I think coming up with those formats, those discrete formats that you you know, bit like a TV show that you know people, people are going to expect them and they're going to reappear on the channel. I think people are that kind of ritual to a channel, and that's, that's what's worked for me, and a big focus on trying to, you know, I think WordPress has a big demographic problem that the YouTube creators I've spoken to, I belong to another YouTube kind of mastermind group, and there's everyone who's running about 90% male. And, you know, look at us all guys. Not many females on this call. So I think that's a huge challenge. But there was one who was invited and me, I mean, I don't count myself, you, but yeah, I know. I it's, it's you that I've tried real hard, and there are not, yeah, that is, I shared that thing with you a few months ago about Wix. Have a Wix, have a target of about 5050 in there. I think they're about 55 in terms of content creators. So I think that's a big issue. That's a big issue for us. That's a difference with the Page Builder market too. On that note, like my community is almost 50% women, lot more divvy users and elementary users. So I think the Page Builder market has attracted a lot more of designers that have kind I'll put all the money in my pocket. That wouldn't be the case for Brits. I agree. I agree with that too. Well, I don't know. Mark might know better. Zero women. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know there's a few mark, right? But there's probably, it's a property view. You know, the face. WordPress has that problem anyway. Like, that is a problem with open source projects. If you look at open source data, there's very few non dudes who contribute to open source projects. Is that right outside of WordPress, then, as well as it, oh, yeah, it's because you have to. There's a level of, like, do you have the education? Do you have the time? Do you have someone running your household? There is a certain, you know, way in which, you know, I think you probably see the same thing with streamers, right? Like, it is just an interesting thing that I've, I've seen and heard from folks. And there's also, frankly, my concern, in part, why don't show my face often on the channel. It's just online harassment. Like, there have been stories of women in the WordPress space who've gotten harassed, and I it's something I'm constantly nervous about. But if, when it happens, like it'll happen, and, you know, one of my followers told me I had beautiful skin in one of my first tutorials, and it freaked me out. So I get it, yeah, yeah. It's just, you know, internet, the internet's weird. I will say I just looked. I just looked at in my community, we have a bricks channel, and we're close to 50% female. That's pretty cool bricks in my community. So, all right, it might be gaining it's a good point. You get all the money in my pocket. Then John, all right, I'm in Ohio, so we'll meet halfway. There's no money in my pocket, so that's the key. I'm curious. I do want to hear how you all hear about the latest with WordPress too. Like, how do you all keep up with information? Is that a pain point? No one mentioned that as, like, something that's hard. But I'm curious what your strategies are to stay up to date on stuff, because that's part of what I'm fascinated with, is like, the communication pathways. Because sometimes I'll see a video and like, it's almost right, and I'm like, Ah, you just or like, it misses one key part of the feature. And so that's something I'm obsessed with who I'm trying to work on, like the wordpress.org side of communication. And. We can continually do better on communicating the value and the impact of the future. So I'm curious how you all stay up to date with this stuff. For me, it's good, but times it's I email you Anne, and it's also the source of truth document I watch next videos. So make, make WordPress, Slack is great for that. I I think one of the issues for me is translating what's coming from a development point, which is, you know, a lot of those documents are very development, developer centric in the language, and translating those into interesting YouTube content. That's one of the biggest challenges. But that's our job, really, yeah, I totally second that, Jamie. I mean Nick and the cruise developer hours on wordpress.org, YouTube channel is phenomenal. You know, if you want to deep dive into pretty much everything that's happening right now and it coming up. But you know, those aren't the sort of videos that we're going to make every day to sort of drive views and subscribers, because it's for devotees and, you know, absolute heads to actually get into. And like I said, Jamie, it's taking that kind of content. And I suppose this goes back to your original question. Nick, you know, what? What pumps? What pumps views and subscribers? Well, it's that. It's that kind of content, but more concise and since assessing, and, you know, getting the message across fast. Yeah, I know, for me personally, the question about how we keep up to date with everything. I have two main sources. There's a newsletter I'm subscribed to called the WP weekly that has some good stuff. I don't know if anyone subscribed to that. And then there's a Facebook group called the admin bar, which is looks like a lot, not a lot of nodding heads. So yeah, the cool thing about the admin bar is there are a lot of block users and a lot of core WordPress users. So whereas a lot of other Facebook groups are more about page builders or themes or other topics, the admin bar is pretty focused on just WordPress. So I get a lot of updates from that too. Basically, the strategy, strategy I've been using is for years, I have Google Alerts, so I have WordPress, and a bunch of different types of WordPress, specific type of phrases that I get alerts from, you know, email to me on a daily basis, and then I just filter based on that. WP beginner ends up on it, WP tavern ends up on it. Make WordPress ends up on it a lot. But basically, that's how I keep up to date with the latest news and latest developments in what's taking place within the WordPress space. And me, I'm probably one of those people that misses, you know, some stuff when I'm creating content, because if you look at my channel, I take, you know, sometimes I take gaps of time where I'll take a month off, two months off, because that's when I'm in deep development mode, and I end up using the WordPress beta tester plugin on my local development environment, and I'm playing them on there, and I'm Looking for bugs. I'm looking at the Alpha versions, looking at the beta versions, looking at the bleeding edge, the nightly releases, seeing what's breaking, trying to see if I can break my theme based on what's taking place, and stuff like that. And then from there is how, from there is how I try to develop the contents I create on my my channel. I think I think Nathan mentioned in the chat, but I think the media Corp, I watched the recent one, the 6.61 that you did, and I thought that was great. I mean, going into and everything like that. So I think that's definitely going to be continuing do that. Would I just love video? Honestly, everybody knows me like I'm just, I'd rather just consume a video, even passively, and understand and everything like that. So I think that's great. The other thing too, that I don't think we mentioned yet, it was just, I was just, I know there are always different topics and things, but like the hallway Hangouts, like, when I found out about those, I was like, why is there not more people going to these? Because it's great to just like, have you or Nick whoever like there, and be able to actually have more of a, at least more of a, like a live stream conference. I know it's not live, but that type of vibe where there's questions, I feel like, when you're trying to understand something, it's cool to read or watch a video, but if you can actually get like, real time, like feedback and ask your questions, then I think that there's, uh, it just helps everyone, because you're going to have other minds on that call as well that could potentially give you, like, oh, like, did you guys think of this situation? Then you could say, like, oh, oh, we didn't think of that. We could open an issue with that, or whatever, or, whatever, or, you know, it's coming, or whatever. So I love, I just love the dialog. I think the dialog is always good. So anything that's bi directional in that, in that way, I think is awesome. How do you can I ask a question to everyone? How do you guys come up with your content ideas and your content plan? What's your process? Mark, it's for pretty much what I see on x and on Twitter. No, I'm just kidding, but yeah, I mean, honestly, I will tell you specifically I know I mentioned this, like six to 12 months like, in this community, I've met so many good people, and I do think that the core thing, because I'm not involved in these other platforms like Wix and Squarespace and all that, I think the thing that. We have that we have to leverage is the community, because we have so many minds and so much wisdom. I'm one of the younger guys in this community. Feel like there's like there's so much wisdom, and people have seen everything happen and see everything evolve, that just literally talking with other people. I do a lot of live streams, live streams every week, on different topics, different types of products, plugins, things like that. And I think getting those perspectives is one of the things that I enjoy the most. And then I would say, as far as, like, the specific videos, I'm just looking at my channel, like a couple things, like, I think, I think the other really powerful thing for us is, like, tutorial series, or, like, full builds and types stuff like that. Because, like, those, the individual pieces are really good if you're searching for something specific. But then you have to, like, think of, like, how is somebody going to look for this topic that, like, is so nuanced, like, if you're making a tutorial about a form technique or something like that. So, I mean, just for me, a lot of it has come from, like, doing it in the agency, and like, Oh, this is kind of cool. Let me just make a video on that. That's like, the best way. And then the other way is just thinking about, Oh, I want to, I want to, like, rebuild something. A lot of it, like, what you do? Jamie, like rebuilding, like a, like a website, or a, you know, a notable website, or something like that. Like, that's those types of things I think do drive people, and are always relatively good ideas. I mean, do you have, like, a sorry to interrupt, but do you have, like, a real list of how many ideas going at any one time? Do you have a list? Yeah, it just keeps getting longer and longer. So, you know, mine's mine's 425, at the moment, which is a bit extreme. It's not that long, it's not that long, but you got you got me, you got me, got there, but, but, yeah, it's, I don't know, just one at a time, I guess. How do you plan your content? Is that to me? How do I plan it? Um, I mean, I was opening up just in terms of, yeah, go, oh, personally, every time I plan content, I'm like, now I'm suddenly bored. It's always the idea in the shower, and I'm like, Ah, I want to do that this week. Those tend to be, like the best ones. So I've kind of, I've got more organic and, like, sloppy with my content plans, as I've done this for so many years. But it's funny, like, this kind of goes back to Nick's earlier question. My biggest video now on my YouTube channel is about how to manually migrate WordPress. So if you guys want to Google that, you should see me on there. That idea was just a spur of the moment. I was on one of these calls, and somebody asked, like, how do you do that? Like, I have issues with migrations. I'm like, well, there's actually just a couple things you need to know. So I just, like, the next day, made a quick 20 minute tutorial on it that has lasted as the main video since 2017 so all that to say, I don't say that boastfully. I say, like, if you make a good piece of content, that is a quick win, and that is actually really helpful, that somebody can get a start to finish result. Those are, like, gold pieces of content. I certainly wish I would have known next. I would have made it better and more concise. But now I don't want to say, I don't want to do a new one, because it's still killing it on YouTube. So evergreen is anyone here doing is anyone here doing content outside of WordPress? Yeah? Like, yeah, sorry, yeah, I am. Now that's that's really tricky though. Like my, I don't think Google knows what to do with my youtube channel now, because I create content, some other tools I'm using as well, WordPress is still the main one, along with Divi, but that is a tricky one. I think that's where, if you have a WordPress playlist or WordPress dedicated pages on your site, and just kind of have pathways for those topics, that's how I've that's kind of the approach I'm implementing to try to make it what's worth. When I was researching, like reaching out to folks, there were a lot of people with mixed content, and most of the time I just reached out anyway, just to see, you know, if they were interested. Some, you know, some haven't gotten back to me. You mentioned admin bar Kyle was one of the people invited. So, yeah, it's like, it's like, it's interesting to hear how you all are learning from each other to, like, get back with you. And I think he did. I mean, honestly, I've emailed so many of you. I will call him. I will stay. I think, I think he was game. No, no, no, no, yeah, like, and definitely crying on this call. I think, I think he couldn't make it. Yeah, he could make it. I can't make it next week. But yeah, we were we. We emailed back and forth about it. It's hard remember people off the top of my head, but yeah, he did get back to me. Don't no need to yell at him. I actually really like that. Sorry to jump in. I really like that question, Jamie, because I had commented on Ian's blog post with sort of that, like I'm planning it, so I'm actually working on a content plan, and I think that's a really good strategy to just, you know, instead of just starting cold, and I keep thinking about, where are the ways to really contribute into the space, because it is so. Diverse. And I think I've landed really in kind of three different categories. One being, like, aspirational, and that's where the website rebuilds really kind of fit. And anybody can take that on with any tool, really. So showing what is aspirational with WordPress. The other one is pain points, like, if you're somebody like, you know, Mark or myself, who's working on sites and building them for partners or clients, you're finding yourself re explaining a lot of the same concepts, right? And and finding, you know, tips and tricks to help people succeed with WordPress. And I think the last bit is a little bit more conversation and community driven, which would be this call ones I've, you know, you know, viewed with all of you, you know, hosting people and joining other chats where it's talking more about, you know, whatever the topic of the day is, and it, you know, a lot of times it is like this page builder versus Gutenberg tribalism, or it's just like the upcoming, you know, features, which I think I've found the last year has been really, in my mind, a massive leap with a lot of the videos that are coming along with, you know, like, like Mark said, I'm a very video heavy person, especially those short clips. And when you see things to get excited around that I think appeals to a wider election of people. And in my mind, what I'm trying to figure out as I build this content plan is, how can I attract more people to the WordPress itself? And I think it's a lot of time the people who are wanting to accomplish a task they don't know like, well, WordPress can do that, right? They're going to automatically jump to some of the more focused platforms like a sub stack or a Wix or a Shopify, and that's one thing WordPress excels at, is it can scale into anything that you want, and finding the way to introduce that to people who don't know WordPress, or you know have maybe gone back to I mean, how many of You have worked with somebody who was using another platform and said, Now I've outgrown it, and now I need to use WordPress. So if that's something you can really get in front of, I think that's where the next opportunity really could be. For Wordsworth, I also try to tease some of what's coming next, which has had mixed sometimes I'm like, no, like, this might be a little too early, but if I'm doing a video on something, I find that that is like, kind of like both combines the aspirational with like, conversational. Like, here's where you can check this out. Here's where you can use this playground. I think is really cool to integrate. I actually did like, a meta video on playground, because I think playgrounds are really cool way to get people actually using what you're showing. It's like, follow along while you're while you're doing this. And like, I don't have the skills or capability necessarily to do like, those really long, you know, three hour long videos where you're walking through something. But I think that's playground is really exciting to me because of that, because you can set up, like, a custom environment with, just with, like, a PR from Gutenberg that shows this cool new thing that folks can then, like, look at and explore and give feedback on, which I think is just like a really powerful thing coming up. I want to be mindful of time, because I feel like I didn't think about this, but getting a bunch of YouTubers on a call is right for conversation. You all know how to how to present and talk, which is awesome. I feel like we could talk for four hours, and it makes me want to do that. A couple things in my mind. One, are folks into this? I imagine folks are into a call format just because of creating video content. I would love to continue doing a call format. If there's interest in Slack, a Slack community, or even a Slack group like in WordPress order slack, I can set that up. I'm not sure how folks feel. I'd rather not create a whole new Slack community, because I don't want it to be, I don't know, totally private and another thing to maintain. But if folks are into a Slack group on wordpress.org, Slack, if you could email me after I can, like, add you to a group, if people want to keep in touch, async, if it gets too big, we can figure that out. Might be able to set up like a custom Slack channel or something. Otherwise, I want to run more of these calls and have these conversations. I think this is incredibly like, my notes are wild right now. I also would love if anyone's going to work in us. I want to arrange a Hangout, both amongst all of us and also with some core contributors. I think it would be really helpful to kind of get the insights that you all have more directly in line with, like, relationships with folks who are building this stuff where it's like, hey, a navigation block is killing me. I don't even know how to explain it to people. I keep running into this, like, what's going on here? And like, let's sit down and talk about that picking on the navigation block, because that's like, an easy one to pick on. So does that sound okay if I schedule like, a call in August and then we consider, like. In your working us. Okay, cool, yeah. And then just email me about, like, if you're into like, yeah, add me to the slack group, and I'll just, like, add you to the slack group and WordPress slack. The last thing is just like a general last note around, if there's anything that immediately comes to mind that I can do to make things easier for you all. I would love to hear I know Nick feels the same way. He's more focused on developers. I am very much trying to sit as much as I possibly can on where we're going next, like I am obsessively looking at every pull request coming into the GitHub repo for Gutenberg, talking to a lot of folks like yourself, and kind of looking a little bit ahead. So I would love to use that knowledge for good. That's the whole reason I started doing YouTube videos was literally, it's like, I have this knowledge. I'm repeating it all the time. I'm not good at making videos, but like, here you go, and kind of making content for you all who actually make content at scale. So I would love to know what we can do going forward to make it easier. I do have, I'll drop the 6.6 source of truth just because that's like a document that is like easy to reference for this upcoming release. But otherwise, please keep thinking about that and just message me anytime I do want to have these conversations out in the open as much as possible, and we can figure out what that looks like. But I am really excited about this. I really appreciate everything you all shared. I just wanted you all to just keep keep sharing what's on your mind and what's been coming up. So I look forward to future, future calls with you all, and just really appreciate you diving in. I feel like there's like 1000 things to call upon, but that's that's why we're starting this, and I feel like there's a lot of good momentum here. So please, let's keep in touch, and thank you all for joining. I will wrap at this point. Spend a couple days. Any of you are like, Don't post that video publicly. Just again, message me. Otherwise, I'll plan to post on Monday, and we can go from there. Thanks, great. Thank you, and thank you all so much. Everybody. You., Uniting WordPress YouTubers: Kickoff Call, Anne McCarthy, 01j2a4bf3yssx96ca84rcfn6hw.