WP Constellations Episode 2  ## Metadata - Author: [[StellarWP]] - Full Title: WP Constellations Episode 2 - Category: #articles - Document Note: --- tags: [#wordpress, #AI, #opensource, #regulation, #community, #future] Author: Jeff Chandler (host), Marcus Burnett & Shane Perlman (guests) Source: WP Constellations Podcast – Episode 2 Reference: [WP Constellations Episode 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0) date created: 2025-08-25 16:23 --- # Title: WP Constellations Episode 2 – AI and WordPress ## Table of Contents: - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📖 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-diversity-equity-inclusion-and-belonging-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🔍 DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🔍 SEO Evaluation](#-seo-evaluation) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) --- ## 📝 Summary: Episode 2 of *WP Constellations* focuses on the intersection of AI and WordPress. Host Jeff Chandler interviews Marcus Burnett (GoDaddy) and Shane Perlman (Modern Tribe) about how AI accelerates development, content creation, and personalization in WordPress. They discuss opportunities (faster site creation, plugin generation, onboarding improvements) and risks (over-reliance, regulation, open source barriers). The conversation ends with reflections on regulation, innovation, and upcoming AI-focused WordPress events. --- ## 📖 Main Content: The episode explores how AI can: - Speed up tasks like content generation and imagery. - Personalize website experiences. - Lower barriers for non-technical users. - Support plugin customization via conversational code generation. - Raise questions about ethics, regulation, and open-source sustainability. ### 🗒️ Notes - [00:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=2) AI speeds dev, content, imagery → efficiency gain. - [04:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=245) Generative AI bridges blank-page problem → lowers bar for content creation. - [08:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=501) Marcus builds wpaiuniverse.com using AI tools for logos, imagery, plugins. - [12:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=732) AI enables non-devs to extend plugins → democratization. - [16:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=976) EU regulation classifies AI use → risk of stifling small contributors. - [20:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=1205) Danger: laws favoring large orgs → startups left behind. - [23:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=1420) Human Made’s *AI for WordPress* event announced. - [27:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&t=1629) AI integration into tools → biggest disruption in next 6–12 months. --- ## 📖 References: - WP AI Universe: [wpaiuniverse.com](https://wpaiuniverse.com) - Human Made – *Word on the Future* AI event - GDPR/CCPA regulatory frameworks --- ## 🗣️ Paraphrase: 1. Original: “AI is like having an intern by your side.” - Paraphrase: AI provides draft-level work quickly, but humans must review and refine it. 2. Original: “If regulation blocks APIs, only bad actors will find workarounds.” - Paraphrase: Overly restrictive laws risk punishing responsible developers while doing little to deter malicious use. --- ## 📰 Newsletter: 🌌 **WP Constellations Ep. 2 – AI + WordPress** In this episode, Jeff Chandler chats with Marcus Burnett and Shane Perlman about how AI is reshaping WordPress. From faster site builds to auto-generated plugins, AI is lowering barriers for creators and making WordPress more accessible. But regulation looms—will open-source contributors be squeezed out in favor of big tech? The panel explores practical AI use cases (like Cadence’s AI-powered onboarding) and warns against over-reliance without human review. 👉 Catch highlights: [WP Constellations Ep. 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0) --- ## ✅ Action Items: - Position AI as a **productivity amplifier** in OSS advocacy, not a replacement. - Develop clear **AI use policies** for GoDaddy and WPCC initiatives. - Integrate AI-assisted contributor onboarding into training team workflows. - Advocate for **regulations that balance innovation and protection**, ensuring startups/volunteers aren’t excluded. - Leverage AI for accessibility: auto-generated starter content for new WP contributors. --- ## 🧪 Hypotheses: - H1: AI-assisted onboarding lowers WordPress contributor churn. - H2: Over-regulation will centralize AI innovation in big companies. - H3: Public AI-generated content enhances SEO more than gated forums. ### 📊 Methodology: - Mixed methods: contributor surveys, SEO impact analytics, regulatory impact studies. - Case studies: Cadence AI onboarding vs. traditional WP onboarding. ### ❓ Questions: - How can WordPress balance democratization with quality control in AI-generated content? - What guardrails should AI plugin generators include? - Should AI contributions be explicitly labeled in OSS projects? ### 🔮 Future Research: - Comparative studies of AI onboarding impact across OSS communities. - Legal/ethical frameworks for AI-generated open source contributions. - AI’s role in contributor recognition and sustainability. ### 💡 Implications: - Could reshape contributor onboarding worldwide. - May require **new open-source licensing clauses** for AI-generated code. - Offers opportunities for WP leaders to shape responsible AI adoption globally. --- ## 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment: - **Visual**: Logos/images generated via MidJourney ✅ (could add diagrams). - **Aural**: Podcast format provides auditory learning ✅. - **Verbal**: Rich storytelling and analogies ✅. - **Kinesthetic**: Weak → could include guided exercises for plugin testing. - **Logical**: Strong causal reasoning about AI regulation ✅. - **Social**: Strong (WordPress events, community focus). - **Solitary**: Reflection opportunities missing ❌. - **Naturalistic**: Not represented ❌. --- ## 📊 Accessibility Assessment: - Transcript available ✅. - No alt-text for AI-generated images ❌. - Conversational readability high ✅. - Improve by providing **structured show notes** with headings for screen readers. --- ## 🌍 DEIB (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, Belonging) Assessment: - **Inclusive Language**: Generally neutral ✅. - **Representation**: Guests are long-time community members but lack diverse voices ❌. - **Neurodiverse Accessibility**: Conversational flow → may overwhelm; chunking would help. - **Cultural Relevance**: EU vs. US regulation well discussed; global South missing ❌. --- ## ✅ Logical Validity: - **Strong Reasoning**: AI = tool, not replacement → sound analogy to interns. - **Fallacy Risk**: “AI lowers bar for everyone” = hasty generalization (not true for accessibility barriers). - **Tone**: Conversational, pragmatic, slightly humorous. --- ## 🔍 DARVO Analysis: - No DARVO detected. - Guests acknowledged limitations (AI hallucinations, risk of regulation). - Tone: reflective, cautious optimism. --- ## 🔍 SEO Evaluation: - **Keywords**: WordPress, AI, regulation, onboarding ✅. - **Meta description**: Missing ❌. - **Headers**: Present, not SEO-optimized ❌. - **Links**: Limited external citations ❌. - **Mobile optimization**: YouTube-native, fine ✅. - **Social tags**: Podcast shares strong ✅. --- ## 🎯 Conclusion: AI is accelerating WordPress workflows, lowering entry barriers, and democratizing content creation—but only if paired with **human oversight** and **responsible regulation**. The biggest risks lie in **exclusionary policies** that block startups and contributors. For now, AI is best framed as **an intern, not a replacement**—a tool to support, not supplant, the WordPress community’s creat - Summary: The content discusses the intersection of artificial intelligence (AI) and WordPress. It features a conversation between Jeff Chandler, Marcus Burnett, and Shane Perlman about the potential of AI in speeding up development, content creation, and website building. Marcus also shares his experience using AI tools to create a WordPress website called wpaiUniverse.com. - URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkdGpv3l2p0&ab_channel=StellarWP welcome to WP constellations a podcastexploration of the WordPress Universebrought to you by Stellar WPall right welcome everybody to episodetwo of the wp constellations podcast I'myour host Jeff Chandler and uh we areshort of Michelle this week she'sactually vacationing it turns out thatshe has so much energy and spends to spends so much of it on the WordPresscommunity that every now and then shehas to recharge and then aftervacationing she's going to be in workCamp Europe so if you get a chance tosee her please take a selfie with herput it online put it on Twitter she's anamazing woman very approachable andyou're gonna love meeting with her soI'm running solo today but I'm used tothat kind of it's kind of like old timesfor me uh so it's going to be great butwe have a great topic to talk abouttoday and it's going to be about AIor more like the intersection of AI and WordPress and our first guest today isMarcus Burnett he is a web designer anddeveloper amateur photographer podcasthost and virtual event moderator he'salso a senior marketing specialist atGoDaddy Marcus thanks for being on theshowyeah thanks for having me Jeff happy tobe here awesome and then our secondguest is Shane Perlman who is thepresident in modern tribe he's a realestate investor and speaker and has runinternal product efforts that have endedin successful Acquisitions such asSurfline iPhone app and guess what the events calendar very familiar with theevents calendarthanks Shane for being on the showah it's pleasureso Marcus I'll start with youum what is it what is it about theintersection of Wordpress and AI so farthat has piqued your interest in whatare some of the best examples you'veseen so faryeah so I uh you know I've been inWordPress for a long time and um AI isthe is the Hot Topic right now but itactually goes back a little bit further than probably what everyone is uh isseeing here is sort of beingthis this raging machine that's come onin the last few months uh I I I'll tellyou one thing I'm actually glad that AIis a hot thing because now all this web3 stuff has just disappeared yeah yeahHorizon I uh I felt the same way right Iwanted I'm I'm a super techie person byNature I love all the new toys andgadgets that come out and all that web 3crypto stuff came out and I reallywanted to get behind it and I just couldn't I I saw a couple practical usesbut I just couldn't really get behind itum and it was just you know a story ofperson becoming millionaire after astory of person becoming millionaire andI I it wasn't me unfortunatelyum I couldn't get behind it so this AIthing comes out and and I I see it I seethe Practical use case I see how this isgonna shapeum our future in in a way that you knowthings like the Advent of the internetitselfum have done and I'm all in I I decided to hop on boardand because uh you know WordPress is ismy job is my passion as well I was youknow trying to figure out how those twothings uh intersect and what we can dowith that and what I've just right outof the gate what I've noticed is it justspeeds everything up um it speedsdevelopment up it speeds contentcreation up it speeds upum you know getting imagery that youneed for building websites and stuff and so uh it I I really love the fact thatit makes everyone more efficient attheir job I know there's a lot ofeveryone's getting replaced by AI but Ithink really what it looks like is wewill have to change what some jobs looklike but everyone will just be able todo their job more efficiently yeah andmaybe Shane can Wing in this and I wasgoing to bring this up later in the showbut my opinion is that you know the AIis a tool that gets you through 90 of most tasks but it requires a humanelement to provide that last 10 percentor at least somebody to be able todouble check the ai's output it's notit's not at a point where it can 100replace you or replace the human elementwell it depends on how and what you'reusing it yes and so there's we're usingthe term alittle maybe like some groundwork sothat people who are listening know we'retalking about the same thing there are a series of sort of generativegeneralized language model right now youknow chat gpp has gotten all this energyand momentum recently and and what thosedo is they look at huge amounts of dataand they essentially stream togetherstatistical averages they essentiallysay hey I've looked ata billion websites and the averageresults on these websites the way it'scoded the way its thing looks like thisand that's really helpful uh when you're trying to figure out how to getfrom an empty blank page to a thing likeI I don't know I'm sure there are plentyof people listening who've been in theweb space for a while WordPress is awhole mission has always been todemocratize web publishing right to makeit easier for the average person tocommunicate online to create content toconnect with the worldum and for those of us who actually doany of that the hardest part is often the blank pageright it's that it's that moment ofzerorness really but but what do I writewhat do I do what I create what imageshow do I approach this like you know asan agency the biggest failure point onprojects has rarely ever actually beenwordpressed the biggest failure Pointhas been trying to get the actualcontent creators at universities atEnterprises to produce good contentthat's captivating engaging andmeaningful and so when I look at what do I hope people are able toleverage some of these generativesystems for is to bridge the gap andmake WordPress video again you know likeright now it's really easy to load up infive minutes for people 10 15 years nowin five minutes you get a WordPress siteand a button solve the whole I don'tknow how to host I don't know how to doDNS like that part's gotten easier butthe content parthasn't gotten that much easier it's been a while where we've been pretty staticyou know yes we got blocks but theblocks are actually publishing easier noit made it powerful yeah we changed thetooling around content but not actuallygetting the content we didn't lower thebar I think ai's gonna lower the bar andit doesn't mean it's going to replace itlike the world right now is full ofgarbage SEO posts reproducing stuff likethat's already that's already happenedif we already have in that world whatit's gonna do though is like when my my mom wants to sit down for her non-profitand produce the next thing she's gonnabe able to go likeI'm a non-profit focused onenvironmental and in this part of theworld with these this is my audiencehere's what I'm doing by the way Ireally need to communicate with thisdata set this thing to this audiencegive me a draft it's like having anintern at your head it's amazing do youpublish what interns right not usuallyuh usually you take it and you know and so to me that idea oflooking for is going to be phenomenal uhwill it change the way we work yeah Ihope so that's the pointso I mean we talked about the fiveminute install but I can alreadyvisualize this happening it's alreadyhappened in some ways at some web hostwith the onboarding wizard the agentthat they have where maybe you you clicka couple things about what your websiteis about but I think in the future thevery very near future you're going tohave okay the five minute install of WordPress but as part of that installit's going to give you prompts and thoseprompts are going to be linked up to uhcertain AI things and then like Cadenceis already doing this to where it'llbased on uh how you answer the problemsit will bring down a certain template ora black template or a black theme thatmatches that and then and you know weused to always talk about WordPressdoesn't have great w dummy content ordummy content you can set yourself upwith right with the chat prompt when you say this is what my site's about itcould actually use that generative textto create great starter content for yourwebsite and thenI mean it's just it sounds great onpaper yeah that's I mean that's theCadence side once againthat's the vision for the Cadenceproject in particular we've been part ofthe team working on that is is I meannow let me call it the five minutewebsite like the idea this vision ofbeing able to as part of your WordPress set up tell it enough about your voiceyour mission your your all the contextyou need so that the problem generatecan create personalized content towardsyour audience and fill out an entirewebsite now that part of that is toobeing able to do your site and your sitestructure be like hey I'm a yoga studioin Poland well what does the averageyoga studio mean okay you're gonna needthis this this hey here's 30 variants ofthis do any of these appeal to you which is the best starting point for yourwebsite and here's personalized imagerythat's you know contextually relevantrather than placeholder imagery and alot of things that we're really reallyclose toand on this topic Marcus you created awebsite calledwpaioiverse.com which is a curatedwebsite about WordPress and AI resourcesand I was going through there about thefun facts and it's it's so awesome tosee that you use as many AI tools as you could to actually produce the websitetell us a little bit about the processof creating that site yeah and that'swhat I was going to say to your previousPoint too the low hanging fruit I thinkhere is the content generation right Imean that's the that's the thing thatall these models are really good at theythey have the database of informationand let's be honest most people startinga new thing isn't really a new thingit's an iteration of a thing that's beendone before so AI knows what to do withthat it knows how to figure out sitestructures and knows how to figure outcontent and what you're kind of going for and stuff and so when I created wpaiUniverse what I wanted to do was justput that to the test right see how muchof wpai universe I could actuallyleverage AI to build and so it's a wordpress site right I installed WordPress Ilet mid-journey do some some logocreation I had it yeah I kind of gave ita little bit of what I was going for Iwanted you know to feed off thatuniverse that space theme everyone lovesa good space theme so yeah we have Stellar WP love it yeah soum you know told it a little bit aboutwhat I wanted in a logo it doesn't dotext well yet so I had to do the textpart myself but it created a you knowlogo Mark for meum use the different AI tool to turnthat into a vectorand then let it produce some of theimagery I think one of the mostinteresting parts right is the one ofthe things on the site is a curatedcollection of YouTube videos that's umyou know that have that intersection ofWordpress and AI right it's there's so much AI content but I wanted to makesure that it was specifically WordPressrelated so easy enough I went to YouTubecreated a playlist but I needed a way toshow that playlist and there are someplugins out there but I figured let mesee what AI can do so I hopped into chatGPT and I asked it to write me aWordPress plugin that will show aYouTube playlist you know in a grid andyou know I'd tweet I had to tweak andprompt and go back and forth with it alittle bitum and I have some development chops so I knew what I was looking at when itwhen it came back to me and I was likeyou know that's you know we're most ofthe way there but let's let's iterate onthat and I just had a conversation withchat GPT until we uh got to some codethat displayed it the way I wanted to bedisplayed CSS and all you know for thestyling and everythingand uh you know pop that into into aplug-in into some files uploaded it tothe to the site and popped in myplaylist ID so I mean I now have a pieceof code that I can replace the API key for Google for Youtube and replace theplaylist ID and show any YouTube play Imean it basically wrote me a YouTubeplaylist display plugin that I may ormay not put in the repo at some pointhere in the near futureman because it like where one of thebiggest gaps for a lot of at least largeplug-in brands has always beencustomization you know the number ofpeople come up and like I love yourplugin I wish it did or I wish it wasslightly different and a lot of times the answers available to us are eitheroh yeah enough people want that sure wecan do that or hey here's a list ofpeople who might do it for I have noidea how much good luck I hope it worksout with them right the ability to saydude just take our plugin it's opensource the code's there you know likethe engines can read it and just askthem like hey how would I create anadd-on that tweaks as its feature doesthis thing in a one-off throw away like that to me again democratizing bring thebar down WordPress has always beenamazing and allowingI will say this yeah non-developers tobe developers like that's it you knowinstead ofobject oriented compiled complicatedcode you're able tosomething that's incredibly accessibleand so letting all of these likepersonalized experiences surface andWordPress is fantastic like I think it'sreally great yeah my only disclaimer onthat would be that you do kind of want somebody whoknows what they're doing with code atleast a little bit to take a look at itbefore you put it in anythingum you know you just don't know exactlywhat you're gonna get and if it's allI'll Greek to you and you toss it inyour site you could do some damage soum do you have someone that can happeneverything yes back up everything but dohave someone take a look at everythingand and don't give a hundred percenttrust what the AI gives you it's that'sthat's the recipe for danger I will I will say reading your announcement poston wpai Universe I was very proud ofmyself because I could I could tell as Iwas reading it that it was AI generatedso I feel like I was like yeah you knowI could tell you know based on you'regoing to do a little more editing ifyou're going to try and trick me yeahbut yeah I I fully intend to have somesome human written some AI written stuffin there but I'll always make sure thatit's labeled as such which I think isthe responsible thing to do so you knowwe we're talking about WordPress and Ai and leveraging it in the intersectionbut uh at a at a company level somethingwe're working with this otherwp iscreating like an AI use policy and Ithink a lot of other companies are goingto be working on as well but but maybeShane you could talk a little bit aboutuh I know the EU is in the process ofmaybe working on some regulation ofWordpress or not WordPress AI but AI ingeneral and it kind of targets yeahwould be targeting uh open sourceprojects in the US where does this is a kind of complicated subject but brieflyyou know how doesregulation come up and I and I I thinkat some form or fashion AI use and howit's used is going to be regulatedI hope so I mean I believe I believe itshould be uh like anything that hasgreat potential for goodness and heartuh right now a lot of the big countriesare trying to figure out how to answerthis question obviously for for the USyou've seen a huge outcry from many of the leaders in the NFL saying hey it'sgoing too fast we as a group need tofigure out how to do this safelygood solidum Europe is also trying to tackle thisand and yes I I saw it I posted thatarticle and I thought I know the articleyou're talking about which was veryworried and and there was a lot of goodpoints in it if you look at the new Airregulation what it was trying to say islike heywe need a way to classify from like completely unacceptable allthe way to like cool yeah that'sprobably a fine usage that's not gonnamess up anybody you know like I I saw Ithink it was a Reuters article and I wastrying to figure out how do we Definethis what are examples that's completelyunacceptable well China has an AI socialcitizen program that uses AI to definewhether you're getting good citizen or abad Citizen and that has some very realconsequences that is a my personal opinion really up okay I use some Ai and I wouldreally hope that that ends up on theplease don't do this list uh that'sreally bad you know and all the way downthe challenge and where this starts toaffect us in the WordPress ecosystem andwhy these things are relevantis there are sort of these again thesebig models right these big languagemodels these fake models and then if youwant to leverage them you're either hitting an API or you're into it throughsome kind of interface and the challengethat a lot of these new laws are tryingto figure out iswell if there's a big model out thereand it's complying with rules butsomebody threw an AI through an API isreally creative and makes it dosomething that wasn't intended for wellhow do we regulate thatand so the challenge that they have theydon't really answer we haven't figured out but if if now you know the firstanswer could be like well no apissort of defeats the purpose of what allof us want to do in the space toleverage it to create good outcomes anda great good solution so I I hope that'snot where it goes because that wouldstifle Innovation completelythe challenge though is for those of uswho hey look we have just implementedand we're like uh give WP right workingon uh leveraging Aaron Edwards doc slots which is an AI that reads all of yourdocumentation and essentially creates away to interface with it in a naturallanguage manner like it that you canjust have a much better experiencetrying to get answers to questions it'sjust a much better searchand we're training it we're working onit and we fed data and it works throughan API and so this is a case of we'reusing it to create a better consumerexperience in my opinion level of harmreally really low it gets pretty low risk but until these new regulationscome and figure out all of us are goingto be just trying to figure out how tonavigate it there's probably a coupleyears of realisticallyum the challenge with open source is thewhole point of Open Source is thatanyone can use anyone can innovate thechallenge of Regulation is to stopanyone from doing anything that desiresand so there's a natural conflict therethat we're all gonna have to figure outhow to navigate but is it long term my expectation is it'll be a lot likeliving with GDPdid we all have to figure out how todeal with it yeah we did why for thesafety of individual privacy and datait's important same thing withaccessibility there are a lot of thingsthat trying to make the web function foreveryone in the best way possible Ithink this will just be another one ofthose over time but just like we didwhen CCPA and gdpr came out at first andwe were like wow we were like I don't even know what to do like the rules areunclear I don't understand it I don'tknow it feels stressful and I thinkwe're gonna have a little window of thatwhile Europe figures out its laws do youhave to figure it out so it's laws thechallengeseverybody's working on it is somultinational these days they're tryingto make laws that just apply to onecountry is absolutely absurd and hard todeal with and cost and effectiveand so my biggest concern is that theybuild these regulations in such a way that makes it so that individualcontributors and startupslike we're blocked and only bigcompanies would last resources canfigure out how to do it correctly andthat to me is not a good outcomeI I definitely agree with that yourthoughts Marcus yeah I I totally agree Ithink the the hard line to walk rightthe balance for regulation is regulationis writing rules but do you know whofollows rules as rule followers right so you're only writing the rules for thepeople who are going to follow themanywaysum so I think finding that balance ofyou know where to shut things down rightlike Shane was saying if you cut off allapis like the people whodon't want to deal with that who aregoing to try and do nefarious thingsthey're going to find ways around nothaving an API at their disposal so wellyou're really shutting off the apis forour people who are probably not going todo the nefarious things right good tofigure out how to how to write these these rules and regulations in a waythat makes sense and keep it open enoughfor the people who are doing things theright way or will end up with AI That'sonly used by people who are doing it fornefarious reasons well I tell you whatI'm glad I don't work in the UScopyright office because they've got uhthey've they've got they've got athey've got a long ways to go to figureout how this is going to work andcopyrightum Shane before we wrap it up here uh there is a really cool conferencehappening in about two days and I wantedyou to give our listeners a littleinsight into that and uh why why folksshould maybe uh tune inabsolutely uh human made has put on asomething about three four hour onlineeventum really focused on practical usages soif you look at if you go toget you know what the URL is for it uh uh it's awell Jeff looks that up so you can lookup the agendas online it's availableit's it's uh but a lot of it is it'sdemos like how are people leveraging inpractical ways into their products intotheir workflowsum and I think that's really useful likeif you're in a position where you'retrying to figure out what am I going todo with it uh this is a nice way fromhome comfortably uh to see what people in the WordPress ecosystem are reallydoing so I know we're going to becontributing there's a recession at theend the wrap up Human made's beenworking really hard on their blocks uhthere's some really good projects comingalong right thereand shout out to uh human me becausethey've been innovators in the WordPressspace and it's so cool how they likeespecially with when black things firstcame out they were doing all kinds ofcrazy stuff and then they released a lotof that stuff either in white papers orin code out to the community and saidhey check out this Innovation check out these innovative ways that we're usingthis and here you go you could do it tooso Props to human made for for doingthat over the yearsyeah that'll be good hey you should allgo uh as a small note as well that'srelevant to here uh there is a number ofAI sessions at Work Camp here you'regoing to be thereum so I'm actually going to run an openPanel uh on the first day talking aboutsort of bigger practical uses and thenthere are a number of very specific sort of implementation workshops so you canyou can go to a panel get ideas and thenwalk with those ideas to session be likecool how do I do this and actually getsome support and practice learning howto implement that uh so for thoselistening it's gonna be it's going totake place May 25th 10 a.m Eastern it'scalled AI for WordPress uh it's calledword on the future by human madeand you can uh well I have a link tothat in the show notes of courseum but it's a free event right all youhave to do is register and then show up and watch rightyepawesome and uh you know it's good Ithink I wonder how many how manysessions where somebody's gonna dosomething like in a in a promptgenerator or something on stage and thenthey see the output and look you coulduse it right away how many how many oohsand eyes we're going to hear from theaudience and they're kind of Blown Awaywith without easy it appears that youcould just do things that you would sowould require hiring somebody to code upfor you now you can just use something to get you 90 of the way there and justhave somebody fact check the last youknow put the last 10 percent in for youyeah I mean like there are so manypragmatic uses like I go to Greece onSaturday because we're gonna headtowards there for for word Camp Europeand I asked my daughter she's 14. I waslike hey you've never planned a tripbefore do you want to plan our trip andshe was like here okaywhere should I go in Greece I reallylike Percy Jackson and my dad doesn'treally and so how how do we balance like hey you know yeah she she figuredout a schedule and she FedEd a bunch ofcriteria and she was like I don't wantto drive dad doesn't want to drivelonger than this no more here and sowe've got like a whole plan and it helpsin thick which cities and sorry likethere are like really practical usesthat honestly like that it's searchedbut it's searched in a way that it seemsfar more naturaluh you know you gotta watch out the factthat it tends to make stuff up likehotels that don't exist sometimes details but I was I I got to admit I wassuch a stickler for AI and until I washired at Stellar WP I've I never usedthe I didn't use any of the prompts nowI'm using chat gbt for a couple ofthings and I'm like oh okay this is kindof nice and creating these outlines forme or or here's a blog post come up withan outline or a brief on maybe how Icould rewrite this and give me some things to focus on and I actually usechat gbt to come up with the uh thetagline for uh this podcast and like Ithink I got the bug now I'm like oh thisis cool and then I'm just prompting puttyping in all the prompts just to seewhat I get I'm definitely up to multipletimes multiple times a dayum something or other you know hey Ineed an idea for this or hey I have anidea for this give me like threepractical use cases or something or you know here's a paragraph that I wrote andI gave me a tweet for it with Emojis andhashtags or something like multipletimes a day I'm hopping in there andgetting it to help me out like likeShane said before it's like an internright at your side and and you stillhave to you know come over it afterwardsto to make sure that everything's goodto go but it it's so helpful so in oneway oh go ahead ShaneI I think that when I look to the Futureshort term where where I'm superinterested inside personally is to see how it begins to integrate into ourtoolsso like my primary like more thananythingI I use Chad gbt to write Excel formulasfor me uh to deal with Annoyingcomplicated spreadsheets because it'skind of my lifeif you're like what's it like to be asenior exact I'd be like hey brush up alittle spreadsheetsum but uh and like the time I'm like this should just be inin Google Sheets like I shouldn't likethere's no reason for me to go elsewherelike this should just be built in andit's like I have that response so manytimes and so while right now lots ofpeople are like still going over to aweb interface or something they interactwith it that feels very silly I thinkwhat we're going to start finding it isit natively integrated into all of ourTools in different ways and I thinkwhat's going to get really interestingis we're going to see how that changesthe tools themselves which tools we use to happen when andand I think that's probably going to bethe biggest disruption in the next sixto 12 months is we're going to see a lotof our actual change itself evolvingwithout whether it's co-pilot or whetherit's the way borrowed or being centeredwhatever it is like that's gonna have areally big and I and I kind of hope inthat future we don't have a an AI like aWordPress where we have one set of AItools whatever that's 43 of the web Iwould like to see a variety uh be able to Blossom for specific usecases of various Integrations justhaving one conglomerate tool for AI justI don't think I don't think that wouldbe goodum so gentlemen I want to thank you verymuch for being on the show today Marcuswhere can people interested in followingyou check you out and give us the URLagain for your uh WP UI not UI ai aiuniverseyeah it's a little bit of a mouthful um I'm probably easiest to find still onTwitter at Marcus D Burnett or also atwpai Universe if you can get all thoseletters rightum the URL is wpai universe.com nice andeasyand Shanecool uh you can always email me at chainat tribe at this tri.be at this point uhI am d socialized so I pretty much onlyhave my old Facebook account becausethat's the only way to find rum and whiskey collectors other than thatum pretty much unengage so uh honestlyjust finally work can't be you likelet's hang out it's I I missed theface-to-face part of the community and Ireally look forward to spending timewith them in fact you two I think firstmet at a word Camp EU and are you twogonna meet againyeah we met briefly in Porto last yearbut yeah I'll be at uh I'll be in Athensthis year too so should hang out Shaneall right all right thank you gentlemen for being on the showcongratulations is a production ofStellar WP home of the events calendarlearndash give WP Cadence iconic solidWP orderable and restrict content Prolearn more about the Stellar verse atstellarwp.com[Music], WP Constellations Episode 2, StellarWP, 01h5n3emd4npj5def6y8wpw5d8.