663: Defending the Honor of the Cheesecake Factory  ## Metadata - Author: [[Accidental Tech Podcast]] - Full Title: 663: Defending the Honor of the Cheesecake Factory - Category: #podcasts - URL: https://share.snipd.com/episode/58ff1c9e-a3b9-403f-8805-8bf4ee00f0fc ## Document Notes ## Highlights - **Unexpected Flight Tech Sightings** - Marco spotted two rare airline tech sightings: Flighty users and an iPhone Air in the wild. - He photographed a passenger using Flighty and another wearing a Vision Pro during a flight. Transcript: Marco Arment I took a flight last week and I saw two sites that I thought were noteworthy for nerds like us. Casey Liss Wait, you saw somebody using Overcast in the wild? John Siracusa Saw someone using Overcast while wearing a Vision Pro. Marco Arment Neither of those things. That's impressive. Well, I don't know how you would see that. Exactly. But first, here I'll send this picture in Slack. I saw this across the aisle and ahead by one seat. What app is he using flighty that's right that is our friend ryan jones's app flighty yeah this is look i'm always looking to see what people are using on their plane on planes and trains And stuff it's a rare site isn't flighty like super popular i think it but i sent it to ryan and he said he's never seen it in the wild either wow so not only was this person using flighty the John Siracusa Guy behind him was also using flighty everybody should be using flighty like I don't even fly that much but like seriously if you don't have flighty if you I fly so rarely but it's still Worth it for me to track other people's flights I track my family's like my wife travels for work a lot I have flighty just to track her flights I I'm not even the one flying. It's still worth it. Yeah, it's fantastic. Casey Liss And I should briefly interject that when flighty was new, it was priced fairly. But for someone who flies only a couple times a year, I found it to be very expensive. Yeah. But since that time, and I'm not saying their price was unfair. It's because I never fly. I didn't really need it. But they've since added a pay-as weekly plan, which is $5 a week. Marco Arment Yeah, that's what I get. Because I don't fly that much. I think it's something like $50 or $60 a year if you want the yearly plan. But I don't fly that often. So every time I fly somewhere, I just buy the week pass and then end it when I'm back. And then next time I fly, I buy another week pass. It's super easy. John Siracusa Compared to how much you get charged for like a nickel and dime for stuff on flights, $5 for flighty is well worth it. Absolutely. Casey Liss That's my whole point is that I think a lot of people, myself included initially were like, oh, I'd love that, but it's out of reach expensive, but it's actually not. ([Time 0:00:00](https://share.snipd.com/snip/a7e03089-abdf-4a3b-b091-6b9990840c5e)) - **Vision Pro Used On A Plane** - Marco saw a passenger wearing a Vision Pro for an entire flight and observed advanced gestures and a third-party case. - He inferred the user was experienced because of the new strap and gesture usage. Transcript: Casey Liss Look at that look at that so we're looking at a picture of a gentleman with a vision pro on it's hard to tell you know You can't really tell if it's an M5 Vision Pro or not. But I can tell you it 100% has the new dual knit, whatever they call it, headband, which is the Pro Move. And this man looks like he is watching a movie and living his best life. Marco Arment This is the first time I've seen a Vision Pro being used in the wild outside of like Apple events. So this man was using a Vision Pro for the entire flight. He was, based on the fact that he was not moving his hands most of the time, I could tell that he was mostly probably just watching a movie or something the whole time. But I did see him do the relatively complicated, like, bring up control center and change the volume gesture, where you turn your hand upside down and like i saw him do that once now this Is the brand new strap this picture was taken last week one day after the strap came out and he had a third party case that is not sold in apple stores so i'm thinking he probably did not just Buy the vision pro that day or the day before. Sure, sure. Because no one on their day two of Vision Pro ownership, nobody would know that gesture. The volume adjustment, like, you know, weird hand turn upside down thing. I knew ([Time 0:03:18](https://share.snipd.com/snip/c8a63934-3c87-4741-a22c-fe43c8a93248)) - **Mac Virtual Display Resolution Limits** - Mac virtual display clarity depends on Mac CPU: Intel is limited to 3K, Apple Silicon up to 5K. - John found mac virtual display far clearer on an Apple Silicon Mac than on Intel. Transcript: John Siracusa Yeah, I had said that basically using Mac virtual display with my 2019 Mac Pro and my Pro Display XDR basically unretinaed my display. Like the display was the same as it was in physical space, only now when I'm looking at it in virtual space it looks like it was no longer a retina display uh thomas cheng was one of many people To write in to point out that mac virtual display when used with an intel mac is only up to 3k resolution and i had said can't you can you believe this works with intel well apparently it Does work with intel sort of it's limited to 3k we'll link to the apple support document about this apple silicon is up to 5k and with sequoia 15.2 or later you can go up to ultra wide which Is like 10 000 by uh 2800 pixels um and by the way 1.5k would be a true non-retning of a 6k display because you know every uh non-retina pixel becomes four retina pixels so that's how that Math works i did try the Vision Pro. Once I learned this, I tried it with one of my Apple Silicon Macs. It's way clearer. It's clearer to the point where I feel like now the clarity is being limited by the displays in the Vision Pro. Again, as we talked about when we did the math on this, when the product first came out, it's not as sharp. ([Time 0:12:35](https://share.snipd.com/snip/98a3a8e3-7ca5-48e7-a0ad-52b2f7e274b4)) - **Hide Other Windows Quickly** - In Vision Pro, tap and hold the X on a window's affordance to hide other windows. - This hides clutter without closing or moving windows, improving focus. Transcript: Casey Liss But Nick reminded me and reminds us that if you tap and hold the X, it'll let you hide every other window. John Siracusa Yeah, that goes a long way towards solving my problem, which is like, I don't want all these other windows there, but I also don't want to close them, but I also don't want to move them to The sides. Just hide others. That really helps. ([Time 0:19:51](https://share.snipd.com/snip/97e9abba-d90b-4d7a-8288-6c6bb670232d)) - **Why Vision Pro Fit Differs From Ski Goggles** - Ski goggles fit differently because their plastic frames flex and conform to faces. - Vision Pro's rigid light shield can't flex the same way, causing fit gaps and pressure points. Transcript: John Siracusa I meant to mention this last time. I was talking about how the thing fits on my face and wondering if I had the right size light shield and all that. And I was thinking about ski goggles because Vision Pro looks like ski goggles. And I have experience wearing ski goggles. I'm like, these fit issues. Why did I never have this problem with ski goggles? And the answer is that ski goggles, even though they look very similar and they even have the same kind of like foam around, like the part that smushes against your face. The thing with ski goggles is the goggles themselves are made of flexible plastic, rubberized plastic, and they bend. They bend around your face. So whatever size and shape your face is they curve in kind of a u-shape and the strap pulls them against your face and it bends them and then the foam makes up for the lumps of your face and All the other stuff uh envision pro obviously the aluminum part is not bending at least you hope now the light shield in theory could accommodate this by being more accordion-like, But the light shield seems pretty rigid. ([Time 0:20:11](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5429f161-601d-4238-a395-38cc515874fb)) - **Vapor Chambers Likely On iPad Pro First** - Expect vapor chambers first in iPad Pro before MacBook Air per rumors; they spread heat in thin devices. - If you need sustained workloads, prefer Macs with active cooling over fanless Air models. Transcript: John Siracusa Yeah, so I think the vapor chamber is particularly useful for devices where you unmoved heat and it has to be really thin. Because if you watch that vapor chamber video we linked ages ago, the key feature of the vapor chamber is really really thin so if you're going to put this in a phone or in an ipad and the Ipad pro is even thinner than the phone you want something thin and the macbook air they could just use a thermal pad or like a you know maybe there's not enough room for a heat pipe but like They have more options in the macbook air that said no one's gonna turn their nose up at a vapor chamber and a macbook air and it's conceivable that the MacBook Air could get thinner over Time. So I think it is an appropriate. I think the MacBook Air could use better heat movement. Let's put it that way. I mean, we've seen that with Max Tech always breaks them open and like adds whatever cooling thing they can think of inside their new thermal pads or some other thing. ([Time 0:25:07](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e8ebe638-698f-4085-aafe-85f934a1dc9a)) - **Vapor Chambers Reduce Hotspots** - A vapor chamber spreads heat across a larger area, reducing hotspots compared to bonding heat to thin aluminum. - This makes bonding SOC heat to the case more viable without creating concentrated hot spots. Transcript: John Siracusa No, they put it to the case, just like they do on the phone. The whole point is if they had bonded the SOC to the case, it would make one little hotspot because it's harder for the heat to move through the thick aluminum case. The whole point of a vapor chamber is it moves heat real quick from where it's produced to the outer edges, so if you imagined a macbook air size vapor chamber it would solve the problem Of the hot spot in the case by not making the heat have to propagate through the relatively thick aluminum of the case and thus forming a really big hot spot that could burn your leg or whatever It would immediately spread it over a way bigger area and that would solve the problem like i think that's and i'm not sure they would bond into the case they might just have the heat pipe Moving it more efficiently to areas where there is cooler air because you still do build up heat inside the case where the soc is but i think they mostly vent i have to look at the recent Teardowns but i think they're mostly venting the hot air from the macbook air out from like the little like the like the keyboard hinge The hinge holes? Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Like that's where the fans blow on the ones that have fans. ([Time 0:27:08](https://share.snipd.com/snip/9f29a8c7-b34a-4da9-86b7-47dc33a35aca)) - **Cheesecake Factory's Fresh Menu Surprise** - John and others were surprised to learn Cheesecake Factory makes most menu items from scratch daily. - Only cheesecakes arrive frozen and are defrosted before serving. Transcript: Casey Liss The ATP Insider episode on The Restaurant Season 1, we fairly briefly made mention of the Cheesecake Factory. And I think one of us, maybe John had said, oh, it was Marco. See, it's always. John Siracusa We were telling Marco about how fantastically huge the Cheesecake Factory menu is because for some miraculous reason, Marco has never been to the Cheesecake Factory. We recommend that he goes just to see the menu because it is so huge. Now that he's a restaurant owner, he can appreciate what it must take to have a menu this big. And Marco said, well, surely a lot of this stuff is frozen. And I agreed. It's like, it's got to be frozen. Like there's no way you can have all this stuff available and not have stuff, you know, frozen. Yeah. Casey Liss So, found, I don't know who pointed this out. I'm sorry. But somebody pointed to the Daily Meal website, which reads, despite the fact that a long menu is usually a red flag, the food at a restaurant is pre-made and reheated. The opposite is the case of the Cheesecake Factory. All 250 menu items or more are made from scratch every day with fresh ingredients. But the same can't be said for the cheesecakes. All the cheesecakes are delivered to the restaurant frozen and then defrosted before serving to customers. John Siracusa There's no name associated with this because a lot of people sent this in. There's a lot of Cheesecake Factory fans out there who wanted to defend the honor of the Cheesecake Factory and say, no, it's not frozen. Marco Arment And how excellent is it that a place called the Cheesecake Factory has all fresh food except the cheesecakes which are made in a factory? John Siracusa Well, so if you go through the history of the thing, it started with somebody who was making cheesecakes in their basement, and then she was making the cheesecakes for the restaurant Until it became like untenable for her to do it. But anyway, frozen or not, the Cheesecake at the Cheesecake Factory is good. If you like cheesecake, they make good cheesecake. So I'm not going to besmirch the frozen cheesecake. I don't care if it's frozen. It tastes pretty good. ([Time 0:39:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5125e09b-e0f5-48cb-8243-330f32dc7b4d)) - **Major MacBook Pro Redesign Rumors** - Rumors suggest OLED, touch, thinner frames, M6 chips, and possible cell modems in upcoming MacBook Pros. - Apple may pilot touch on laptops first to test market reaction before expanding touch Macs. Transcript: Casey Liss Let's see, the company is readying a revamped MacBook Pro with a touch display for late 2026 or early 2027. The new laptops will feature OLED displays and will retain a full trackpad and keyboard. The new machine's codename K114K116 will also have thinner and lighter frames and run the M6 line of chips. For the rev macbook pro apple is retiring the notch in its place the company will adopt a so-called hole punch design this will be similar in concept to the dynamic island on the phone The company has also developed a reinforced hinge and screen hardware to prevent the display from bouncing back or moving when touched a common drawback of the existing touch pcs because Of the price of your components the new 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pros are likely to cost a few hundred dollars more than the current versions. As of now, Apple isn't actively developing additional touchscreen Macs. Instead, it's waiting to see the market's reaction to the touch version of the MacBook Pro. Earlier, Mark Gurman had written in a different article, Apple's investigating the idea of bringing cellular connectivity to the Mac. Oh, hell yeah. Cellular connections are unlikely to come to the Mac before 2026 when Apple's planning a second generation modem that includes support for faster speeds. John Siracusa So this is a lot of existing OLED MacBook Pro rumors. Like again, the OLED MacBook Pro was originally rumored for this year. Then they said it's actually going to be pushed next year. So the rumors continue to say next year is the OLED year. When we were talking about the M5 MacBook Pro, to play an m5 one i was saying this generation of m5 macbook pros will probably be your last chance to get this design because the new design Is coming and it looks like the new design is going to be different in many many ways um being thinner maybe you know do you like the current trade-off in terms of size waste and battery Life will the thinner ones be better because of better battery chemistry we don't know but like if you if you want so a known quantity the known quantity of the size weight and battery Life of these ones it is here for you touch screen this is the first time this has been rumored like in a substantial from like german who usually doesn't just make stuff up right lots of People have been talking about touch max for ages and ages this is a german rumor and there's it's corroborated by at least one other person so it seems like they're going to do this they're Finally going to bring touchscreen to a mac that involves a new hinge to make it so the display doesn't wobble as much there's also the cell modem rumors which again the c2 in 2026 2027 Which is when they're supposed to be coming out and of course the oled screen which is these are the oled macbook pros so it's going to be a big change this is the biggest change since the Apple since these new it's not the apple silicon ones because the first apple silicon ones look like the intel ones but since whatever we're calling this new design the kind of boxy ones That we've had for the well i guess m2 through m5 this will be the end of the line seems like for that design in the beginning of an all new design with a lot of different potential trade-offs I'm not saying you should buy these because the new ones are going to be bad maybe the new ones are going to be great and you should wait all i'm saying is it's going to be a change and i find This fascinating because we've been waiting for touch max for ages not because we're dying for them we're dying for a solid auto mac but for touch max we're like you know people want it Why shouldn't you do it it shouldn't be that hard uh there was another rumor i didn't put in here of like the exact technology they're using to put the touch sensitive thing in the oled Display it's some new tech that embeds the touch layer inside the oled so it's not as thick and yada yada whatever um i don't there's no rumors about software related to the touch thing But and i don't i'm not predicting they should do this i'm not recommending it but i think if they simply added touch to mac os as it exists today be fine like yeah it's not ideal it's you You're it's gonna come with the trackpad you should use the trackpad but how many times have you seen somebody who's accustomed to touch using a laptop and they just want to scroll a web Page and they reach out and do it our dialogue comes up and it's just easier for them to just stab the OK button with their finger instead of hit the thing. It's a thing that people do and that's perfectly possible to do with macOS. MacOS is not made for your finger. It's made for the pointer. But there are things that your finger can do on existing macOS. ([Time 0:41:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d53af125-f08c-4957-b7d2-c7aefea8b495)) - **Touch Can Complement macOS Without Redesign** - Touch on MacBooks can be useful without overhauling macOS: small touch interactions suit existing interfaces. - John argues macOS needn't become finger-optimized; touch can complement the trackpad. Transcript: John Siracusa It's a thing that people do and that's perfectly possible to do with macOS. MacOS is not made for your finger. It's made for the pointer. But there are things that your finger can do on existing macOS. So I don't think Apple needs to say, oh, everything has to become Fisher Price huge and everything has to be usable by a finger. I don't think they need to do that. Don't think they should do that because that's called an ipad all right leave the mac the way it is but i think a touch screen would be a useful addition for the people who want fingerprints Marco Arment All over their laptop screen yeah and the reality is like this is one of those areas that like no matter what we as like traditional mac and laptop nerds think is right like you know i don't I don't want a touchscreen on my macbook pro however how many people among us can say we've never unthinkingly just touched our laptop screen thinking it would scroll yep that's madness John Siracusa I would never do that but i will i will say that i have literally i have literally to zoom paper, print paper, more than once, more than once, multiple many times over my life. I have literally put two fingers down on like a magazine page and pinched to make the text bigger. So I'm not above doing that. I just say I haven't done it with the laptop screen. Marco Arment But yeah, stab that okay button with your finger yeah and even if all it is is scrolling and zooming that would go a long way because like the reality is again no matter what we think as nerds This is what people are used to with every other device every windows pc of any you know note has had a touch screen or at least had a touch screen option for many years now and they added John Siracusa It because like the pc ecosystem is so diverse someone's going to try everything and once somebody tried it and they're like people but first of all people didn't object to it and second Of all once it becomes like a thing that you have and you know your competitor has but you don't you're like well maybe we should add that too and people just got used to it being there now Was windows redesigned to be a touch interface hell no no windows is design optimized for nothing right but like the the pc manufacturers didn't have to like it was like well we can't Put touch on our laptops until windows is radically redesigned so that everything is accessible with your fingertip nope they didn't do that they just made they just put touch screens On it and people started using them. ([Time 0:45:23](https://share.snipd.com/snip/38cc4804-204e-4e23-a28c-af2b32020330)) - **Put Face ID On Macs And Displays** - Consider Face ID for Macs and monitors; laptops and Apple displays have space for sensors. - John urges Apple to add Face ID to Macs to improve authentication and hardware value. Transcript: Casey Liss The other new Macs of development include updated MacBook Airs with the M5 chip. These devices are slated for release in the spring. Apple's also working on a refreshed Mac Studio, Mac Mini, and a pair of external Mac monitors, dubbed J427 and 527. Sure they are. You'll notice that I have not yet mentioned the Mac Pro. Apple is exploring another major Mac change as well, a shift from the Touch ID fingerprint scanner to Face ID, but that remains years away. Years away? John Siracusa Oh my god! Put Face ID on Macs! You know where you could experiment with that first? Put it on the laptops. It's killing me that they don't put like... Yep. And the thing is, laptops is the place where they have an excuse, like, oh, the display is too thin. They're going to come out with new displays, these long-rumored, like, Pro Display XDR successor and presumably Studio Display successor with a 19 Pro and whatever. There's so much room in those displays for a Face ID sensor. They're so freaking thick. Put Face ID on the Mac. Stop. What are you waiting for? It's killing me. I mean, I know you guys are waiting for cellular, but the Face ID on the Mac is just, it's just, it's just brutal. I don't, I don't know what they waiting for. Like, just gather up those, only put it on your own displays. It's another reason for people to buy your displays. You don't even have to like have it be third party display. Only put it on your first party displays. Anyway, yeah. Originally when I put this in here, it was like these, this German article was like other Macs in development, MacBook Air, Mac Studio, Mac Mini, just not even a mention of the Mac Pro From German. ([Time 0:52:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d28834e1-823a-43ca-8e33-48c65fd979ef)) - **Hydra Codename Suggests A Big Chip** - Xcode beta references suggest an unreleased high-end Apple Silicon codenamed Hydra, hinting at Mac Pro-class chips. - The Mac Pro's future remains uncertain despite hidden code names appearing in betas. Transcript: Casey Liss Brendan Shanks writes new and X code 26.1 beta three. This is a, I believe a constant CPU family underscore arm underscore Hydra, H I D R A, which is listed as H one seven G. John Siracusa We discussed that, uh, which is apparently an Island. Where is the Island? I forget. Is it in life? Casey Liss I remember the discussion. I don't remember. John Siracusa Scandinavia or something? Somewhere up there, yeah. It's not the multi-headed beast of Greek myth, which is H-Y Anyway, this was supposedly the code name for an Apple Silicon chip that has not been released that is potentially a large, Beefy chip that would be suitable for a Mac Pro, even though Gurman not even mentioning that it's like oh here's some the Mac rumors for the next year they're gonna update these Macs and Those Macs and those not even a mention of the Mac or not even like no news in the Mac Pro or Mac Pro you know like just nothing just doesn't even get mentioned like it doesn't exist maybe The product is canceled but then in the new beta of Xcode a constant sleep sneaks through that mentions the rumored code name of a chip that as far as we know has not shipped is not one of The m5 chips slated for the uh macbook pros uh it could be a mac pro ship or it could just be the beefy chip that they ship in the next mac studio and the mac pro really is dead who knows what Will happen, but here I am out here trying to sell those Mac Pro Believe shirts, wearing mine in my heart every day. ([Time 0:54:01](https://share.snipd.com/snip/00383218-aa02-42fb-9604-28aad3b63127)) - **Tone Down Liquid Glass In Settings** - Use iOS 26.1's new Liquid Glass toggle if transparency bothers you; Settings → Display & Brightness. - Tinted increases opacity and contrast, while Clear shows more background content. Transcript: Casey Liss In beta 4 for iOS 26, you can now tone down liquid glass. And I saw a lot of news articles about this, and they all frustrated me that they didn't have side-by comparisons, or at least not when I first started reading about it. But our dear friend Stephen Hackett did Yeoman's work to put these together, and so we'll put a link to Stephen's excellent post in the show notes. You go into, for iPad OS and iOS, you go into settings and then display and brightness. For macOS, you go into system settings, appearance, and there you'll find a new toggle that lets you swap between two looks, clear and tinted. Clears the look of liquid glass since iOS 26 launched, while tinted adds opacity and contrast so i know that the names they put in the ui aren't necessarily connected to the names that John Siracusa Of the apis behind the scenes but it was i initially saw this and i was wondering if this is the same as the api at least on mac os when you make a glass material thing you have a choice between Clear and tinted like those are like the the constant numbers or whatever dot clear or dot tinted and when you do glass that's tinted you can also specify the tint color so like the the If you have switch glass my little app switcher thing which looks like the dock it has like a background or whatever and has materials you can pick for the background then i use all the Deprecated constants that apple doesn't want me to use for the different backgrounds anyway in tahoe you can pick glass and you can pick clear glass or you can pick tinted glass and then When you pick tinted glass you can pick the color so i wonder if the tinted look is literally they just change all the things that are when they see the dot clear constant they just use the Dot tinted one and they pick a fixed uh tint color it's hard to say because just because the name matches doesn't mean it's the same thing but anyway um i it seems like it might not even be New code and it's just simply like oh when they do dot clear ignore that and really just use dot tinted with white as the background with some opacity level all right and then uh below these Casey Liss Uh selections there's little teeny tiny gray text because of course it's gray that reads choose your preferred look for liquid glass clears more transparent revealing the content Beneath. Tinted increases opacity and adds more contrast. And speaking of Yeoman's work, John has done us a service, and we'll put a link in the show notes to some examples of tinted versus untinted. ([Time 0:57:30](https://share.snipd.com/snip/63280fa1-9b88-40e0-b979-48f0cf247ad0)) - **Liquid Glass Toggle May Reuse Old APIs** - The new clear/tinted toggle may reuse existing macOS material APIs, not introduce new rendering, causing inconsistent application. - John found the toggle half-hearted on macOS because some UI elements (like notifications) didn't change in beta. Transcript: John Siracusa So Stephen Hackett's got a lot of before and afters. Lots of other people on the web since then have had a bunch of before and afters. And I picked some from this is actually running the beta and I took some screenshots of it. And by the way, the RC is out there. Release Canada is out now. So this is a little bit old news, but I don't think it's changed. But side by side, depending on the context, I don't see that much of a difference between the regular and the new setting you know between clear and tinted you can see the background through Both it's not like it's not like reduced transparency where it makes it totally opaque like i was i was just in a messages thread that's what you'll see is like part of messages and it shows Like a photo uh you know like it's a white background with non-white photos and the non-white photos clearly show through the tinted version they show through more in the clear one but It's there's still like if you're gonna make this setting it seems so subtle it seems like it's a little bit more opaque is that better just like if people don't want to see stuff that is Behind their controls don't make them go all the way to reduce transparency and if this really is tinted as i said uh like the actual tinted control let people pick the opacity and the Color put it like a you know or a put an opacity slider underneath it because it would be you know when you do tinted you can pick the color and you can put an alpha channel on that cover like I don't know i like it's it's clear that they decided to do this because people thought it was too transparent. But boy, you give a setting like I'm going to be hesitant to even tell this to like my kids because they complain a little bit about liquid glass stuff. They're going to be like, what difference does that make? It's the same. I'm like, well, it's actually a little bit more opaque. If you could see them side by side, you'd notice that. I guess if you see them side by side, you would notice. But I don't I don't know. Marco Arment Like, seems half-hearted to me i guess i can tell you so as soon as the setting was released in the bid as i switched to it from my iphone uh and then at some point later i didn't realize that There was also the option on the mac and so then like on my laptop that runs tahoe um at some point like a few days after using it on the phone full time i saw a notification show up in tahoe With the ridiculous overly glassy look and it was immediately i was like like it jumped out at me so much well well here's the problem on beta 4 changing that setting doesn't affect notifications John Siracusa Oh great like i tried that's what i tried when i was trying to do the screenshots on tahoe you mean because on ios it does yeah i I know. But when I was trying to do the screenshots, I'm like, I know I'll do notifications because those are so clear. They annoy me. So I turn the setting on, got a notification. It didn't change. It looks exactly the same. Now, maybe that was a beta for bug and maybe the RC it does change. But that's what I'm saying about it being half hearted on macOS. ([Time 0:59:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b634f591-2337-4ed5-a6a4-014456115a5b)) - **Toned-Down Liquid Glass Feels Better** - Marco switched his iPhone to the tinted Liquid Glass look and found the original liquid glass suddenly looked garish. - He views Apple's quick adjustments as promising iteration despite initial missteps. Transcript: John Siracusa It doesn't even look like it's applying the setting to lots of places where you wish it would be applied like notifications again it's beta 4 knowledge i haven't installed the rcs yet But it seems a little half-hearted to me that's uh and hopefully mac os will eventually apply it everywhere but yeah maybe maybe it looks a little bit better in ios but um yeah reduced Transparency really does reduce transparency but it it radically changes how things look and i think it makes things look even uglier so that setting is always there for you in accessibility But this is pointedly not an accessibility it's in you know settings appearance or settings display and brightness which is a weird place for it to be i guess there's no appearance equivalent In in ios settings anyway uh when 26.1 comes out this will be a setting and if liquid glass is annoying you can give it a try i can say also again, on the phone, having used this now for what, Marco Arment It hasn't always been like two weeks, I can say it's great. It has been going great, and it is generally better. Liquid Glass is not perfect with it, but I can say, after switching to this, and then seeing the glassy version on Mac OS, it instantly made the regular version of liquid glass look garish And tacky and already old like liquid glass has been out for two seconds and it already once you see something a little bit more toned down it makes the shipping version look really old John Siracusa It always looked tacky to me. And I think you can check this too, but I think even on iOS, you know, like the play pause controls that hover over playing video, like in a pop-up window, the ones that directly get in the Marco Arment Way of your content that it's trying to spotlight. Yes. Yeah. I don't think those honor the setting either. John Siracusa I think they look exactly the same with the setting on or off. Marco Arment Well, those were, so that's, that's the clear style. John Siracusa I know. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like i just i'm it seems weird to me like those are the most egregious those are so because the content behind them is always you know it's guaranteed to be something you know uncontrolled Because it's video and those are the glassiest of the glassiest things for controls that i don't need to be glassy like i think they're too big and obtrusive as it is i don't want them to Have specular highlights and be warping and refracting things and all that crap so i wish this setting applied to them even if it's only applied a little bit it's so weird to me that you Would put the setting in and say yeah but the clearest controls those are accepted from this maybe but to be fair like that was those kind of controls the the ones like the playback over Marco Arment The video those were always a more clear version than the default that's not the default look those are actual dot clear yeah those are like that's what i'm saying the constant it's confusing John Siracusa Whether using the same languages as the constants because the settings here are clear and tinted but there's clear and tinted glass in the os and this clear tinted setting only seems Marco Arment To apply to the not clear api you know constants it's it's confusing yeah and i think and you, kind of broader picture, I think the fact that they had to add this so soon shows that they're Getting a lot of pushback and people are having a lot of problems with liquid glass. And ultimately, there's a lot about the liquid glass design language that I don't think is good. There are some things that I think are nice. It's going to need a lot of tweaks. It's going to need a lot of adjustments. I think generally speaking, we will get to a place with it with a bit more iteration where it is actually pretty nice. But it's going to need a lot. It's going to need work and time. And the fact that they're already fixing it, number one, you can say like, wow, lol, what a failure that they had to fix so soon, which is valid. But at least they are fixing it. At least we are going in a direction where they're toning this down so quickly because maybe they got enough pushback that it needs. It needs the work that it needs. So that's promising, at least to me. ([Time 1:02:20](https://share.snipd.com/snip/fd9d4f3a-62e5-49ee-a194-6a19c2892372)) - **Transparency Harms Control Legibility** - Liquid Glass's core problem: showing content through controls harms legibility and offers no functional benefit. - John argues controls should avoid transparency over underlying content for usability. Transcript: John Siracusa Kind of happened in the betas. Do you remember there was, I forget which beta it was, maybe beta 3 or something? Yeah, it added basically this. Super frosty. Yeah. Right? And I think, someone should dig up these screenshots, but I think it was the beta 3 version of this showed less stuff through controls than this new version does with the tinted setting Turned on. So it's not like they because they they turned they turned it on and then there was some outcry from developers we talked about on the show like oh you've you know you said it was called With a liquid glass but now i can barely see through the controls it doesn't look like glass anymore and they and they so like during the beta it went really really opaque and then it went Back it went back to be more transparent and the more transparent ones the they released. Maybe not as transparent as the very first beta, but certainly more. It was not the most opaque of the betas, right? And then after release, now they're adding a setting to make it slightly more opaque. I haven't seen a lot of outcry about this, but we're all kind of sitting here waiting for when Apple starts forcing this update on people, which I'm assuming will happen. 26.1. Is that when they usually do it? Usually. And what we mean by that is like if you lots of people were surprised about they're always surprised about this every year like the new os comes out and they're like i went to system settings On my phone to get the new os and can you believe it was trying to tell me like there's a new version of ios 18 you have to scroll down it's like oh and by the way there's also a thing called 26 Do you want that one But the top one on the phone was 18. They don't sort of like shove 26 in your face, at least on the phone, until the 0.1 release. And then people's phones are going to like, they're going to, it's going to prompt them. It's going to be in system settings. It's going to be a badge. It's going to auto update overnight. Like all sorts of like when they really push this out to the general public. And it's a good move because 26.9 was a mess and you don't want to push that out to everybody. 26.1 will be better. I will note that on the Mac, the day Mac OS 26 came out, system settings got a badge and it's still there and I can't make it go away. It's like, you know, 26 is out. I'm like, oh, I don't have one. Casey Liss I do. John Siracusa It's been there since the day Mac OS 26 was launched. Software update available. Badge with a one in it. Cannot make it go away no matter what I do. Because there is one. If I go to system settings and say, hey, Tahoe's available. Do you want it? Not only that, but every 15 update, like 15.7 if you weren't careful, like if you have auto updates off and you go to manually install it, if you weren't careful and you tried to install Sequoia, it would install 26. If you didn't go in and like uncheck the 26 checkbox it was it's like it's been pushing 26 so hard on the mac i'm like apple you don't want to do this i mean it doesn't really matter because There's so few mac users and we're technically more technically savvy than the average phone user i suppose and blah blah blah but but yeah on the phone they hold back so i'm still kind Of waiting for 26 to get pushed to quote unquote everyone to finally what the public reaction to it but i feel like the public reaction to 26 as it exists right now has been people aren't Super big fans of it but i haven't seen any uh you know complaining on the level of like the new photos app and we'll see i don't remember did the new photos app complaining only start after They pushed 18.1 to everybody or did it happen with 18.0 um yes it was both well we'll see when they uh when they push it to everybody but right now even my kids who were like who refused to Marco Arment Use a mac that had tahoe on it they've got it on their new phones and they grumbled a little bit but otherwise they're like that's fine and i think we're gonna see like what what has happened Throughout the course of computer interface history whenever anyone has used transparency because it looks cool. What happens over time? They make it less transparent because transparent UIs don't work very well. And that's happening here. We are going to see this progression. It will end up somewhere that is reasonably fine. And the translucency is not liquid glass's only problem. But this is probably its biggest. And so we're going to end up somewhere that's better. John Siracusa Yeah. Unfortunately for liquid glass, it's in the name, the glass part of it. And you mentioned like, oh, we'll eventually find a happy medium. Like the correct move is not to show things through controls especially controls that have text on them because it doesn't serve a functional purpose it's only there for aesthetics And it only hurts your legibility so like why are you doing this yourself why are you choosing this like well don't you understand it's glass okay if that's your controlling metaphor And your aesthetic and your marketing then you're kind of stuck with showing stuff through because glass doesn't show anything through. It's like opaque glass. I guess it could be shiny on the edges, but people think of glass as being able to see something through it. That's just a fundamentally wrongheaded idea. Nothing behind that button needs to contribute to the content of that button. To the extent that you show it through the button, it can only make the button more misleading and obscure. ([Time 1:06:47](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5a73c2a8-f780-45cc-9c3f-c2d7021ad26a)) - **Turn Off Lock Screen Camera Swipe** - Disable Lock Screen Swipe to Camera if you trigger it accidentally: Settings → Camera → Lock Screen Swipe to Open Camera. - This prevents unwanted camera opens while keeping the gesture available when needed. Transcript: John Siracusa Accidental uh input it's not that people hate it if you use it it's great to have it but if you never use it intentionally but only ever accidentally use it uh that's the thing what they Need is some kind of i don't know how to implement this but what they need is butt dial protection because my parents butt dial me all the time and there is no explanation like my the best I can come up with is they don't they don't sleep their phone before they put it in their pocket oh yeah that's a common thing i do that sometimes or they do sleep their phone like they press The sleep wake button but their their phone is like bogged down or slow or something and it doesn't like doesn't go to sleep until they've begun putting in their pocket but the bottom Line is somehow their hands are touching the screen and activating stuff that's causing them to call me and i get a call from inside of their pocket and i can hear them talking and i say Dad but i'll meet you usually can't hear me i just hang out but like and i've you know i've been with him when this has happened and like what did you just do tell me and he can't explain it But there is some kind of accidental input user interface thing going on here and again my leading theory is they just are simply not sleeping the phone but like so all right so say they Don't sleep the phone how do you accidentally i'm probably in their favorites or maybe in their recents like but how do you accidentally initiate a call to me by accidentally rubbing Your fingers slide slide to go to the camera i can see happening because that's just it's a pretty simple move you just slide sideways but anyway lots of accidental input. I'm glad to see this setting. I'm sure it will still be on by default. But if you find yourself accidentally going to the camera when you don't want to and you never use the shortcut, now you can turn it off. ([Time 1:13:24](https://share.snipd.com/snip/69f48e02-1ecc-40ba-bd51-9c7e42890543)) - **Wait For 26.1 Before Upgrading Tahoe** - Don't rush to upgrade to macOS Tahoe (v26.0); wait for 26.1 to avoid known bugs. - If you rely on Electron apps or tethering, hold off until upstream fixes and app updates arrive. Transcript: Marco Arment I am running it on my small travel laptop. I am not running it on my main, my desktop laptop. And so far, like what I, as I'm using it on my little laptop, and then I go back and forth between my desktop and my laptop. I'm not motivated to upgrade my desktop to Tahoe. So when I'm not using Tahoe, I don't miss it. There's no feature I miss. There's nothing about it that's motivating me that I should update my desktop, except that eventually Sequoia will stop getting updates meaningfully from Apple. But right now, there is no reason for me to do it. Now, also, when I am on Tahoe on my laptop, I don't care. Besides my stupid glassy notifications, it's fine. Everything looks different. Everything's lower contrast. I don't think liquid glass holds up well at all on the Mac, especially the treatment of toolbars and sidebars. I think it looks ridiculous. The corners of everything are really massive, the rounded corners massive corners um so there's there's a lot of like little noises with it but like whenever i'm on either computer I'm never wishing that it was the os of the other one and i'm never i'm never looking at it and saying wow i love this os like it's it's fine everything looks different yeah it's a different Skin on the os things work fine um i don't have many major problems with either one to be honest but again like it's not motivating a change in either direction that being said something's Up with tethering setup on my phone. Oh, no. I don't know. Again, it's 26.1 on both. And I have the 26.1 beta on the Mac. And I have the 26.1 beta on the phone. It's an iPhone 17 Pro. Cellular and tethering have been really unreliable. The point where I'm frequently having to reboot the iPhone to get cellular data to keep working. Now, I don't know if that's, and that's oftentimes happening when I'm tethering with a laptop. So I don't know if tethering is somehow, like, I don't know if it's like a Tahoe bug that's breaking the phone's cell connection, or if the phone has a broken tethering implementation This is also all to say that that was all only with the betas of 26.1 the rc came out i think what today or yesterday um and i've i've only just installed the rc like tonight so i i don't know If it's fixed in the rc but i i honestly it's been so bad in the betas i don't know how it would be I don't know how it would be fixed but something is really broken with cellular data or tethering Or both with 26.1 on an iPhone 17 Pro and I don't know if that's part and I don't know if it's related to the way Tahoe is using it from the Mac or not I don't know but tethering and data are super Broken for me It could even be like my phone could be bad. It's that bad to the point where I cannot get through a train ride without having to reboot my phone for tethering connectivity. Anyway, all that being said, Tahoe in general, again, it's been fine. The is stupid on the Mac, but it's been fine. If you need to upgrade for some motivating reason, go for it. ([Time 1:15:30](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f2735f0f-30cf-4259-9f6e-83da9ac90480)) - **Electron Shadow Bug Causes System Slowdowns** - An Electron bug caused Windows Server to repeatedly recalc window shadows, slowing macOS; apps must update Electron to fix it. - This explains many Tahoe slowdowns when older Electron-based apps run frequently. Transcript: Casey Liss The bug is being tracked on the Electron GitHub. It is number 48311. Avar Ayer writes, I believe I found the root cause, and it's not Apple's fault. It turns out Electron is overriding a private AppKit API underscore corner mask to apply custom corner masks to vibrant views. This method is called by Windows Server to calculate the shadow of the window. I'm speculating that Apple uses some sort of memoization by reference, and this method breaks the memoization and forces Windows Server to repeatedly recalculate and repaint the Shadow. What's particularly funny is that even a simple override that does nothing but call super, which is to say call, it's like parent to speak still presents the issue uh 95 mac writes recent Electron versions no longer use utilize this private api and developers have begun updating their electron version to mitigate the issue uh there's a app uh detector app by thomas Kafka that uh craig hockenberry pointed us to and posted about that will look at your system and tell you which of the apps that you have on your system are offending. And there's also a website where you can go to that is all about shaming Electron, particularly for this specific bug. And you can see the status of a whole bunch of popular apps. And so we'll put all those links in the show notes. ([Time 1:21:08](https://share.snipd.com/snip/a49870af-720b-48f3-8b81-f03aaccbf9ed)) - **Identify And Update Electron Apps First** - Use detector apps and checklists to find Electron-based apps on your Mac and update or avoid them before upgrading. - If you rely on Slack or similar Electron apps, ensure they ship patched Electron versions first. Transcript: John Siracusa Electron is the web rendering engine used by lots of popular mac apps because people don't want to make native mac apps they just want to wrap a web app in some chrome uh the slack app that Uh we're all running right now probably does that and many many others uh they use the electron engine electron engine has this bug the electron folks fix the bug but requires every single App that is built electron to update their version of the electron engine that they're using and release a new version of their app that uses the new updated electron version and people Are slow in doing that i'm not sure these apps even always use the latest version of the electron uh engine because you know that could affect things in the app and they might be a few versions Behind or whatever so the this website the shame electron thing it's basically say here are the popular apps that use electron and here are the ones that have been updated and here are The ones that haven't uh from what i've heard from the people who suffer from this bug if you're using an electron app every day and it hasn't been updated with this bug fix again do not Upgrade to tahoe because it's going to cause slowdowns like system-wide slowdowns i guess if you could not run slack and not run like but if you have to run those apps all day don't upgrade It now again is this technically tahoe's fault no like it was an electron using a private dapi blah blah but practically speaking it means that if you're perfectly fine in sequoia and Then you upgrade to tahoe and you're running five electron apps all day all of a sudden your whole system bogs down again dan morin has that problem and he's like i think every single one Of maps has been updated to the new version of electron and still i'm getting these horrendous slowdowns that i can't explain and that's 26.0 so just say no to 26.0 26.1 may be okay again We'll see what marco finds out about the tethering stuff but like tahoe is definitely a year where you might want to wait a little bit before upgrading, especially if, like Marco said, If there's no thing that you really, really want, like, you know, if there's some feature that you got to have or some new setting or whatever, if there's nothing like that, just wait. Like I'm, you know, I think RogoMaba stuff is all updated. So technically I could update. Obviously I'm running Tahoe. I reboot this into Tahoe all the time to do dev stuff and test things. ([Time 1:22:23](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e7e2fa9a-0e2c-4f7b-9fb6-98e12a0ccde1)) - **Running Tahoe For Development, Not Daily Use** - John keeps a laptop running Tahoe and reboots into it for testing, but prefers Sequoia's visuals on his main machine. - He enjoys Tahoe for testing but isn't compelled to permanently switch yet. Transcript: John Siracusa My laptop is running tahoe over here um but like marco i feel no compulsion to upgrade and unlike marco i go back and forth with my laptop's over there my desktop's over here i go back and Forth between them all the time uh and i i just like how secoli looks better so i i i I have a uh an attraction to not looking at that hideous UI and looking at it so I'm enjoying this one while I can uh even simple things like the menu bar like they made the menu bar transparent and there's that option that says like oh make the kind of like the clear and tinted option the option On uh in Tahoe that says don't don't make the menu bar not be there it instead of it being completely you know no background whatsoever uh it gives it a background that's like the barest Of tint like it's like a really like a 50 transparent black like tint thing it's like people who want that option just make it opaque just like if they're clicking that option they probably Just want to pick and by the way i have to use that option because if you don't use that option it puts like a one and a half inch gradient at the top of your screen that casts a gradient shadow Onto the icons that are on your desktop which i don't i think that's a bug like it shouldn't do that seriously it does the gradient to try to make the text more visible like whatever and And it depends on what your desktop background is because if your desktop background is um very dark it will do light and if it's very, it will do dark and yada yada. Right now in Sequoia, with my background that I'm using, my menu bar is white-ish. But with the same background on Tahoe, my menu bar is black-ish. And I don't like that because all my menu titles are in white. And anyway, I don't like how Tahoe looks. So I don't know when I'm going to upgrade, but I'm not being compelled to do so, especially since I can reboot into it whenever I want. ([Time 1:24:27](https://share.snipd.com/snip/2ce6d9b5-01e8-4635-83a7-ad124a57d231)) - **Mixed Reactions To Vision Pro Content** - John watched many Vision Pro immersive videos and found mixed results: some demos felt impactful, others felt overproduced. - He found the tightrope and motorcycle segments especially affecting despite limited immersive tricks. Transcript: Casey Liss Have you done any of the other stuff? And like, one of the things I was most curious about, and maybe this will be a short conversation if you haven't done it yet, but when we talked a few months ago, there was that Bono documentary, One man show thing, not documentary, like a one man show that came out and they had the same source material, but they treated it two very different ways. And there's a non-immersive version where it's just him on stage by himself chatting and talking to you slash at you. But the immersive version is way, way, way different with lots of animations and stuff. Have you had the time to at least watch a portion of the immersive version of the Bono thing? John Siracusa When I talked about my experiences with the M2, with Casey's M2 Vision Pro, one of the things I left out was a lot of the stuff that I had already done with it, just because it's kind of some Of the same things that you guys had already done. And one of those was watching a lot of the content and so yes i did watch the immersive version of the bono thing not the whole thing but i scrubbed around and watched because i'd seen the Whole thing before and i didn't want to sit through the whole thing again uh and it is very different like they really do uh spend a lot of energy embellishing with graphics and stuff now I'm not sure if it adds much to the experience like it's it's certainly there's lots of more visual flair and lots of interest and makes it makes it so there's more things for you to look At than just like the guy's face talking or whatever um but i'm not sure how successful it is artistically uh it's an interesting experiment but i feel like the like the boring like non-vision Pro you can just watch it on your television version gets you most of that experience and maybe less distracting so i wasn't that big of a fan of that um i did watch not all the other content In fact one of the things that i realized i forgot because steve trotten smith's got a vision pro now and he's going through some stuff and i forgot to try like the uh the disney immersive Environments like there's one for alien earth which i just talked about in a recent rect diffs and there's like star warsy ones and like there's a there's some marvel stuff and i have To try that there's avengers avengers campus is one of them for example i didn't do that that marvel thing that you watched i'm going to watch that eventually but i did watch like a lot Of the that that one line of immersive content uh i showed it to my wife with the demos and she's like where's all the immersive content i'm like you see that thing she's like that's it like That's it um i watched a bunch of that stuff uh surprisingly one of the ones i found most affecting was the uh the highline one where the woman is walking on a tightrope uh above thing and I'm not particularly scared of heights but i feel like that that was an effective use of a thing that is you don't get as big an effect on a flat screen as you do in a 3d appearance um i thought Casey Liss That was a cool one did you do the um the parkour one in paris because that was similar i agree with you that the the tightrope walking was more affecting but that also had a similar vibe John Siracusa To it well i think the thing about i haven't done the paris one yet that's on my list but like i think part of the the um the tightrope walking one is like i'm also judging i'm not judging these Just based on like how well it takes advantage of vision problem judging them the same way you like not technology wise it's like how good a story does it tell like these are all very kind Of short things they're not you know they're they're more like little tone poems or whatever like how effectively do they convey a story and emotion i felt like the highland one did a Good job of that even though it is very similar structure to the other ones just narrated by a person talking about that i just i thought it was well written and affecting and the visuals Match the other stuff and uh by the same token i also found the one with sharks even though it's just like a bunch of sharks swim around you that is very compelling content in 3d um i didn't Think the story of that one was as good but that's a that's a good demo and surprisingly one of the other ones that i found was good again this is like has even less to do with vision pro and More to do with just the content was the uh the moto gp one the motorcycle ride i was just about to ask you the french motorcycle riding guy now here's the thing for reasons that make sense To me they did not have vision pro cameras on the motorcycles like they don't put them on the f1 cars and the motorcycle is even smaller like there's no room to put a gigantic like they're In a competitive race like here put this giant thing on the front of your bike no thanks um so if you think you're gonna be like now i'm gonna be like it's like i'm riding the motorcycle. No, that's not what it is. This is actual competitive. As they say in the thing, it's like F1, but for motorcycles, right? They are professional motorcycle racers. They're trying to race. They don't care that Apple is there. So it was just shot like a documentary. We're like, okay, the cameras were on the sidelines watching the motorcycles go by. And the cameras were on the guy when he was in, you know, getting ready in his trailer and talking, you know, to his coaches and everything like that. And the reason I found compelling was, one, I thought it was like a good story of, you know, this underdog athlete, it's a French rider. A French person has not won this French Grand Prix in like 70 years. And how is, you know, is he going to do it? And he keeps falling and he's having problems. And, you know, like it's, it's, it's type sports story. ([Time 1:30:22](https://share.snipd.com/snip/33e29b25-dd29-4d3a-aa9a-2624977fc76b)) - **Fixed Focal Plane Creates Subtitle Strain** - Fixed focal distance in Vision Pro causes eyes to attempt focusing on perceived depths, creating eye strain or double-vision for subtitles. - Subtitles and shallow depth-of-field elements can confuse ocular focus because the headset's focal plane is constant. Transcript: John Siracusa Yeah, we talked about this when we were before the vision program out about like having variable focal and the various technologies to do that. But that doesn't exist in the vision pro. It's a fixed focal distance. And so when anything's out of focus, it will never be in focus. And the way that manifested not for motion sickness but for like eye-crossingly headache-inducing annoyingness it's on the moto gp1 people talk in french and they have subtitles And this is i don't know if this is an inherent problem of the vision pro but the choice they made to deal with this was difficult because here's the thing with the subtitles the subtitles Are on the screen as like a tinted black rectangle with white text on it or whatever right uh you're watching the vision pro you're watching these guys they're walking around by their Motorcycle sitting on a couch talking to each other he's riding on his stationary bike or whatever and he's talking and the subtitle stuff appears very very often the subtitle stuff In like picture space on the screen was not at the depth it was in focus wise on the screen if that makes sense like my eyes would try to focus on where the text would be if it was floating where It appears to be in the scene like it looks like it's floating between this guy and that guy or like two feet in front of the couch, but it's not there. I have to like to look at these subtitles. They're overlaid on top of everything. I have to focus on whatever the fixed focal distance of the display is. But my eyes would try to focus on not the fixed focal distance of the display, but like further into the image where it looks like that thing is hovering in the space of the 2D image that's Behind it. And it would make me essentially go cross-eyed and double vision on i couldn't read the subtitles because i kept double visioning i'm like why is this happening are the subtitles blurry It's like no you keep thinking the subtitles are somewhere in the space of the scene they're not they're not in the scene they are they are at the fixed focal distance of the display and You have to focus on them there, even though looking at that part of the picture, which by the way, you can see through the little subtitle thing, right? Even though focusing on that part of the picture, like Marco said, would require you to focus on a distance that is not the same as the focal distance of Division Pro. And so you're getting that, Marco, when you just see a blurry version on the screen, I'm getting it trying to read the subtitles. And that's a difficult problem because it's so convincing that the subtitles are there floating in the scene that it causes my eyes to pick the wrong focal distance. Or make them opaque or I don't know, like make them go edge to edge. So it's so clear that they couldn't possibly be floating between the ottoman and the couch, you know, like it's a tricky problem to have. But it's something I didn't I didn't think of before. Subtitles in a fixed vision, fixed focal length VR subtitles. Your brain might think they are not where they are and you might get double vision. ([Time 1:42:17](https://share.snipd.com/snip/fd999797-1308-4d98-b4b3-bea587a6d76d))