Episode 212: Carlos Martinez-Ortiz & Shoaib Sufi on WoSSS  ## Metadata - Author: [[Sustain]] - Full Title: Episode 212: Carlos Martinez-Ortiz & Shoaib Sufi on WoSSS - Category: #podcasts - URL: https://share.snipd.com/episode/cf06b101-20ff-4693-b779-a60fd8defc74 ## Document Notes ## Highlights - **New Projects for Quality and Recognition** - The Evers project unites research infrastructures to produce tools measuring research software quality. - The hiddenref initiative promotes recognition of software as a valid research output for evaluation frameworks. Transcript: Speaker 1 And it involves the SSI partners on the Netherlands e-science center. And it's really about producing a toolkit to show how to help measure and produce quality research. And it's very much in the infrastructure side. That's going to be an exciting new set of communities to work with for the Netherlands e-science center and for the SSI and allow us to really look at some quite large domains and their Software use, which is going to be really exciting. The other thing I wanted to highlight was the hidden ref, which I've got a link into there, which is one of the ways in the UK we have ref with research evaluation framework, which is the Way of getting your research paper and things like that evaluated to help rate your institutions. So hidden ref was about showing me other aspects of research outputs, which should go to what was that. So they are promoting the idea of having 5% of the things which are reported back to the main ref to the main evaluation framework as non papers. ([Time 0:33:07](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d30e41cf-38f6-452d-8b5b-dc6f318bd1b1))