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Final thoughts on Christology conference? ![rw-book-cover](https://readwise-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/static/images/article0.00998d930354.png) 🔗 **Source:** [Final thoughts on Christology conference?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [christology, early-christianity, biblical-studies, second-temple-judaism, divinity-concepts, academic-conference] > author: [MISSING] > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk > date created: {{date:YYYY-MM-DD}} {{time:HH:mm}} > > # 🏷️ Title: Final thoughts on Christology conference? >  ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ## 📝 Summary - A group of biblical scholars share insights from the Nonjeroni conference in Rome on early Christology development - Key insights include the spectrum of divinity in Second Temple Judaism, challenges with defining divinity terminology, and sociological frameworks for understanding ancient conceptions - Scholars emphasized the difficulty of precise language around divine concepts, both for ancient and modern scholars - The informal format captures post-conference reflections over meals in Rome ## 📖 Main Content This video features informal reflections from biblical scholars who attended a conference on early Christology in Rome called the "Nonjeroni meeting." The scholars discuss key insights about how early Christian concepts of divine figures developed within Second Temple Jewish contexts. ### Core Academic Insights **Second Temple Jewish Divinity Spectrum**: Dustin Smith (Sparkburg Methodist College) highlighted that Second Temple Judaism operated with a spectrum of divinity rather than binary categories. Figures could move up or down this spectrum based on their role and how God used them to interact with creation. **Emic vs. Etic Frameworks**: Chris Porter (Trinity College Melbourne) emphasized the importance of distinguishing between insider (emic) and outsider (etic) perspectives when studying divinity, particularly regarding ontological versus functional understandings of divine status. **Language Limitations**: Daniel Glover (Lee University) stressed how both ancient and modern scholars struggle with precise terminology around divinity. He cited examples like Philo's description of the divine logos as neither begotten nor unbegotten but "something in between," and later philosophers describing divine figures as a "third kind" that is neither fully divine nor human. ### 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk?t=0) Dan Mlelen Introduction - Conference called "Nonjeroni meeting" in Rome - Focus on early Christology development - Humorous reference to scholarly debate intensity #### ⏱️ [00:00:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk?t=30) Dustin Smith - Second Temple Judaism Spectrum - Sparkburg Methodist College scholar - Second Temple Jews had spectrum of divinity, not binary categories - Figures could move up or down based on role and divine interaction - Need for clarity in divinity/deity terminology discussions #### ⏱️ [00:01:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk?t=75) Chris Porter - Sociological Frameworks - Trinity College Melbourne, New Testament scholar - Emphasized emic vs. etic frameworks for understanding divinity - Ontological versus functional views of divine status - Sociological approach to biblical studies and reception #### ⏱️ [00:01:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk?t=105) Daniel Glover - Language Challenges - Lee University, New Testament scholar - Ancient authors struggled with precise divine terminology - Philo's logos: neither begotten nor unbegotten but "in between" - Later philosophers: divine figures as "third kind" (ginos) - Both ancient and modern language inadequate for divine concepts #### ⏱️ [00:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk?t=150) Anna - Non-Scholar Perspective - Scholar's spouse, enjoyed academic discussions - Highlights the social aspect of scholarly conferences - References to Roman dining experiences ## 📚 References - Philo of Alexandria - concept of divine logos - Second Temple Judaism literature and concepts - Early Christian Christological development - Trinity College Melbourne - Sparkburg Methodist College - Lee University ## 🗣️ Paraphrase Biblical scholars gathered in Rome to discuss how early Christian ideas about Jesus's divine status developed within Jewish contexts. They found that ancient Judaism had flexible categories for divine figures rather than strict boundaries, and that both ancient and modern scholars struggle with precise language to describe these concepts. The conference emphasized understanding these ideas from both insider and outsider perspectives, recognizing that functionality and ontology represent different ways of thinking about divine status. ## 📰 Newsletter Ever wonder how early Christians figured out Jesus's divine status? A group of biblical scholars recently gathered in Rome (over lots of carbonara and gelato, naturally) to tackle this complex question. Their key insight: Second Temple Judaism operated with a spectrum of divinity rather than simple either/or categories. This means early Christians had existing frameworks for thinking about figures who participated in divine activity without necessarily being identical to God. The scholars also noted that precise theological language was as challenging for ancient thinkers like Philo as it is today - sometimes the best they could do was describe divine figures as "something in between" human and divine categories. For anyone interested in Christian origins or religious development, this reminds us that theological concepts evolved within specific cultural contexts rather than appearing fully formed. ## ✅ Action Items #### DevRel - Create accessible explainer content on Second Temple Jewish divine spectrum concepts - Develop educational resources bridging academic biblical studies and general audiences #### OSPO - No direct applications #### Community - Share insights on religious studies methodology with interfaith dialogue groups #### WordPress - No direct applications #### The WPCC - No direct applications ### FAIR - No direct applications ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Early Christology developed by adapting existing Second Temple Jewish categories for divine intermediary figures rather than creating entirely new concepts - The spectrum model of divinity in Second Temple Judaism provided cognitive frameworks that made early Christian claims about Jesus more comprehensible to Jewish audiences - Scholarly disagreements about early Christology often stem from applying modern binary categories to ancient fluid concepts - Sociological analysis of ancient religious communities reveals different patterns than purely theological approaches - The persistent difficulty in defining divine terminology across cultures and time periods suggests fundamental limitations in human conceptual frameworks for transcendent realities ### 📊 Methodology - Comparative analysis of Second Temple Jewish and early Christian texts - Sociological study of religious group formation and belief development - Cross-cultural anthropological studies of divinity concepts - Historical linguistics analysis of divine terminology evolution - Ethnographic studies of contemporary religious communities grappling with similar conceptual challenges ### ❓ Questions - How did the spectrum model of divinity function in specific Second Temple Jewish communities? - What were the social and political implications of different divine status attributions? - How do emic vs. etic perspectives on divinity affect modern interfaith dialogue? - What cognitive science insights explain the persistent difficulty in defining divine concepts? - How did geographical and cultural factors influence Christological development in different early Christian communities? ### 🔮 Future Research - Systematic mapping of divine spectrum categories across Second Temple Jewish literature - Sociological analysis of how religious communities negotiate conceptual innovation vs. tradition - Cross-cultural studies of divine intermediary figures in ancient Mediterranean religions - Digital humanities analysis of terminology evolution in early Christian texts - Ethnographic studies of contemporary communities adapting traditional divine concepts ### 💡 Implications - Modern theological discussions should acknowledge the historical fluidity of divine categories - Interfaith dialogue benefits from understanding different conceptual frameworks for divinity - Academic biblical studies requires both insider and outsider analytical perspectives - Religious education should emphasize historical development rather than static doctrine - Contemporary religious communities can learn from ancient strategies for conceptual adaptation ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: Grade 14-16 (Flesch-Kincaid), appropriate for undergraduate/graduate academic audience. #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Video format with multiple speakers - Improve: Diagrams of Second Temple Jewish divine spectrum, timeline of Christological development, comparative charts of ontological vs. functional divinity models #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Audio discussion format, conversational delivery - Improve: Podcast version with chapter markers, audio glossary of technical terms #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear definitions, examples from Philo, analogies about spectrums - Improve: Expanded glossary, etymological explanations of Greek/Hebrew terms #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Conference experience descriptions, meal contexts - Improve: Interactive timeline activities, hands-on text analysis exercises #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Systematic framework discussions, methodological distinctions - Improve: Decision trees for categorizing divine figures, logical flow charts of argument development #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Multiple scholar perspectives, collaborative conference format - Improve: Discussion guides for study groups, debate prompts on key issues #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual scholar reflections, personal takeaways - Improve: Self-assessment questions, reflection prompts for further study #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: References to cultural contexts, historical environments - Improve: Connections to Mediterranean geography, cultural ecology of ancient religious development ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Video has spoken content throughout - Improve: Detailed transcript with speaker identification, chapter headings #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Standard YouTube controls - Improve: Transcript with jump-to-speaker functionality #### Contrast and readability - Present: Clear audio, visible speakers - Improve: High contrast transcript, adjustable text size options #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: YouTube standard responsive design - Improve: Dedicated transcript page with responsive formatting #### Media and captions - Present: Auto-generated captions available - Improve: Professional captions with speaker identification, technical term spelling #### Forms and interactions - Present: Basic YouTube interaction - Improve: Interactive transcript with clickable speaker segments #### Standards reference - Needs professional captions (WCAG 2.2 1.2.2), structured transcript (1.3.1) ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: International conference setting, diverse institutional affiliations - Improve: Include perspectives from non-Western Christian traditions, Jewish scholars #### Inclusive language - Present: Academic register accessible to educated audiences - Improve: Glossary for technical terms, cultural context explanations #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Conversational format, informal structure - Improve: Clear segment markers, consistent formatting, summary sections #### Representation - Present: Mix of institutions, one spouse perspective included - Improve: More diverse gender representation, international scholars, community perspectives #### Psychological safety - Present: Collegial tone, humor about scholarly debates - Improve: Acknowledgment of different faith perspectives, respectful treatment of religious differences ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Inductive reasoning from specific examples (Philo's logos) to general principles about language limitations - Comparative analysis between Second Temple Jewish and early Christian divine concepts shows methodological rigor - Sociological framework application demonstrates interdisciplinary thinking #### Fallacies - No significant logical fallacies detected; informal setting and limited scope prevent comprehensive argument analysis - Potential hasty generalization from conference discussions to broader scholarly consensus #### Tone of voice - Collegial, informal, academically respectful with occasional humor - Collaborative rather than adversarial scholarly discourse ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - No DARVO patterns detected - Academic context focuses on intellectual exchange rather than personal accusations - Collaborative tone emphasizes shared scholarly inquiry ## 🎯 Conclusion This informal scholarly discussion provides valuable insights into early Christological development within Second Temple Jewish contexts. The key takeaway is that ancient Judaism operated with flexible, spectrum-based concepts of divinity that provided frameworks for early Christian theological innovation. The scholars' emphasis on methodological clarity—distinguishing emic from etic perspectives and ontological from functional approaches—offers important guidance for contemporary religious studies. Their acknowledgment of persistent linguistic challenges in describing divine concepts serves as a helpful reminder of the limitations inherent in theological discourse across cultures and time periods. ## 🔄 Refactor Appendix — Final thoughts on Christology conference? ### 📚 Literature Atoms (H3) #### Second Temple Judaism operated with spectrum-based divine categories rather than binary classifications > [!quote] > Second temple Jews had a spectrum of divinity and you could either go up it or down it depending on your role and the way that God is using you to interact with creation. **Context & use**: - Dustin Smith's key insight from conference discussions - Challenges binary thinking about divine status in Jewish contexts - Provides framework for understanding early Christian Christology development **Tags**: #christology #second-temple-judaism #divine-spectrum  #### Ancient authors struggled with precise terminology for divine intermediary concepts > [!quote] > Even ancient authors struggled with articulating precisely how they understood divinity... we have authors like Philo who say that the divine logos through whom God made the cosmos is not begotten like human beings and not unbegotten like God but something in between. **Context & use**: - Daniel Glover's observation about linguistic limitations - Demonstrates historical precedent for theological terminology challenges - Shows continuity between ancient and modern conceptual difficulties **Tags**: #theological-language #philo #divine-logos #xref  #### Sociological frameworks distinguish between insider and outsider perspectives on divine concepts > [!quote] > Being able to think about divinity from a both an emic and an etic framework and think about ontology versus functionality as we start thinking about what is divine. **Context & use**: - Chris Porter's methodological insight - Critical for academic study of religious phenomena - Separates how believers understand concepts vs. external analysis **Tags**: #religious-studies-methodology #emic-etic #sociology-of-religion  ### 🧠 Permanent Candidates (H4) #### Religious communities adapt existing conceptual frameworks rather than creating entirely new categories **Claim**: Early Christian Christology developed by extending Second Temple Jewish divine spectrum concepts rather than inventing novel theological categories. **Evidence pointer**: [[#Second Temple Judaism operated with spectrum-based divine categories]] **Scope & conditions**: Applies to religious innovation within existing cultural contexts; breaks when communities deliberately reject predecessor frameworks **Links**: - [[Theological development patterns]] — because extends across traditions - [[Cultural continuity vs. innovation]] — because applies-in religious contexts - [[Cognitive frameworks for divine concepts]] — because evidence-for adaptation strategies  ### ✏️ Fleeting Queue - [F1] Research Philo's specific terminology for divine intermediaries beyond logos concept — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk #fleeting #research - [F2] Explore other Second Temple Jewish texts with divine spectrum language #fleeting #literature-review - [F3] Compare ancient divine terminology challenges with contemporary interfaith dialogue difficulties #fleeting #comparative-analysis ### → Things 3 (max 2 actions) - [ ] Find scholarly articles on Second Temple Jewish divine intermediary figures — research #things - [ ] Create reading list on emic vs. etic methodologies in religious studies — academic development #things --- ## Full Transcript [00:00] Hey everybody, I'm Dan Mlelen. I'm a [00:01] scholar of the Bible and religion and [00:03] I'm still at lunch with a bunch of other [00:05] scholars who participated in the [00:06] nonjeroni meeting here in Rome which was [00:09] a conference on early Christologology [00:11] and how it developed and uh only one [00:14] person got beat up during the uh during [00:16] the meeting. That was that was me. But [00:18] you know that was I was asking for it. [00:20] Anyway, I thought it would be fun to to [00:22] have some of the other participants [00:23] share uh an insight they got from the [00:25] conference or final thoughts on the [00:26] conference or something like that just [00:28] so you can get a sense for how other [00:30] scholars are engaging these topics. So, [00:33] I'm going to hand you over to my friend [00:35] Dustin. [00:35] >> Hi everybody. Uh I'm Dustin Smith and [00:38] I'm a scholar of the Bible also right [00:40] here. Okay. Yeah, we're getting help [00:42] with the uh the IT team and uh I work at [00:46] Sparkburg Methodist College and I [00:48] thought this conference was really [00:49] really helpful because it got us to uh [00:52] acknowledge that second temple Jews had [00:55] a spectrum of divinity and you could [00:57] either go up it or down it depending on [00:59] your role uh and the way that God is [01:01] using you to interact with with [01:02] creation. Uh I think we also discussed [01:05] uh the need for having some clarity when [01:07] it comes to these topics of uh divinity [01:10] and deity. uh and even trying to [01:12] identify when we're having discussions [01:13] about Jesus also asking the question [01:15] well who is God you know who is the God [01:17] of Jesus you know so I think uh having [01:19] those discussions was really really [01:21] helpful for me and I'm going to pass you [01:23] off to our next participant on the price [01:25] is right [01:26] >> hi I'm Chris Porter I'm a New Testament [01:29] scholar at Trinity College in Melbourne [01:31] uh and one of the things I really [01:33] appreciate about this conference was a [01:34] way of being able to think about uh [01:36] divinity from a both an emic and an etic [01:39] framework and think about ontology [01:41] versus functionality as we start [01:43] thinking about uh what is divine and and [01:46] what do we mean by divine? And so from [01:48] my point of view, I do a lot of [01:49] sociological work um within the Bible [01:52] and sociology of groups who receive the [01:54] Bible. Uh and so thinking about those [01:56] frameworks as to how people would have [01:58] understood u onlogical versus a [02:00] functional view of divinity. Hey [02:03] >> everybody, I'm Daniel Glover. I am a [02:05] scholar of New Testament. Uh I work at [02:07] Lee University. Um what I really am [02:10] taking away from this conference is the [02:12] difficulty of language. Even ancient [02:15] authors struggled with articulating [02:18] precisely how they understood divinity. [02:20] Um how they understood divinities [02:23] relating to divinity uh that is embodied [02:27] in the one god. So we have authors like [02:29] pho who say that the divine logos [02:32] through whom God made uh the cosmos uh [02:36] is not begotten like human beings and [02:38] not unbegotten like god but something in [02:42] between. We have philosophers later who [02:45] talk about um uh divine figures who [02:50] aren't uh theos God and aren't anthropos [02:54] man but are ginos some third kind of [02:58] thing and so our language for divine and [03:01] divinity can't capture the nuances of [03:06] ancient religious intellection but uh [03:09] the good news is that their language [03:11] wasn't precise enough either [03:13] I'm Anna and I'm not a scholar, just [03:15] married to the scholar right here. But I [03:18] enjoyed spending time with him and all [03:20] of these amazing scholars here in Rome. [03:22] And I enjoyed listening to all of our [03:24] discussions that we had over our many [03:26] dinners of carbonara and gelato here in [03:28] Rome. [03:28] >> And don't forget the tier misu. [03:31] All right. Hope that was uh hope that [03:33] was informative and thanks everybody for [03:35] watching.  ## Highlights - Second temple Jews had a spectrum of divinity and you could either go up it or down it depending on your role and the way that God is using you to interact with creation. - Note: 📚 Second Temple Judaism operated with spectrum-based divine categories rather than binary classifications · - Dustin Smith's key insight from conference discussions - Challenges binary thinking about divine status in Jewish contexts - Provides framework for understanding early Christian Christology development · #atom/literature/h1 - Even ancient authors struggled with articulating precisely how they understood divinity... we have authors like Philo who say that the divine logos through whom God made the cosmos is not begotten like human beings and not unbegotten like God but something in between. - Note: 📚 Ancient authors struggled with precise terminology for divine intermediary concepts · - Daniel Glover's observation about linguistic limitations - Demonstrates historical precedent for theological terminology challenges - Shows continuity between ancient and modern conceptual difficulties · #atom/literature/h2 - Being able to think about divinity from a both an emic and an etic framework and think about ontology versus functionality as we start thinking about what is divine. - Note: 📚 Sociological frameworks distinguish between insider and outsider perspectives on divine concepts · - Chris Porter's methodological insight - Critical for academic study of religious phenomena - Separates how believers understand concepts vs. external analysis · #atom/literature/h3 - Religious communities adapt existing conceptual frameworks rather than creating entirely new categories - Note: [[Theological development patterns]] — because extends across traditions · - [[Theological development patterns]] — because extends across traditions · #atom/zettel/z1 - Research Philo's specific terminology for divine intermediaries beyond logos concept — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysr7vngsmk #fleeting #research - Note: ✏️ Fleeting capture #atom/fleeting/f1 - Explore other Second Temple Jewish texts with divine spectrum language #fleeting #literature-review - Note: ✏️ Fleeting capture #atom/fleeting/f2 - Compare ancient divine terminology challenges with contemporary interfaith dialogue difficulties #fleeting #comparative-analysis - Note: ✏️ Fleeting capture #atom/fleeting/f3