Make Sense of Uber’s Autonomous Car Strategy - DTNSB 5092  ## Metadata - Author: [[Daily Tech News Show]] - Full Title: Make Sense of Uber’s Autonomous Car Strategy - DTNSB 5092 - Category: #podcasts - URL: https://share.snipd.com/episode/0078850e-2f53-49f3-ac3c-9b169e9c030d ## Document Notes ## Highlights - **Portable AI Recorder With On-Device Power** - The Plaud P-L AI Pro records meetings, transcribes, summarizes, and supports on-device queries for offline utility. - Its adjustable mic range trades recording distance for battery life, offering 30–50 hours depending on range. Transcript: Tom Merritt Each other understand. Jenn Cutter Today, we have a product roundup for you. New AI glasses, new AI note taker, and new Bluetooth trackers. And even more on top of that. Tom Merritt I'm AI Tom Merritt. Jenn Cutter I'm not AI Jen Cutter. Tom Merritt Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. There are lots of little news stories today. So we thought we'd start you off with a product roundup. These are some interesting things that we were like, hey, that's not just another new phone from another big tech company. So let's start with the Plaud, P-L AI Pro. It's the latest device from Plaud AI, which is a credit card-sized device that you use to record things like meetings. It'll automatically transcribe, obviously, what it hears, but also summarize it for you, let you do some other queries on it now, and stuff like that. The new Pro version has a small, just not quite an inch, 0.95 inch AMOLED screen. That'll let you see how much battery is left along with things like whether it's recording or not. Also lets you reduce the range. ([Time 0:02:13](https://share.snipd.com/snip/9042e741-2947-4da1-8525-1c998c2d455b)) - **Widget-Focused Secondary Touch Display** - Corsair's Xenion Edge is a 15x5-inch secondary touchscreen status monitor optimized with widget software. - Touch-optimized widgets make it more useful than dragging arbitrary windows despite browser limitations. Transcript: Tom Merritt Now this one's cool. Ars Technica has a review of Corsair's secondary touchscreen monitor. It's a little rectangular touchscreen monitor called the Xenion Edge. A great example of a product that was announced at CES this year that's shipping. I always like to call those out. It happens sometimes. It does happen. This one is approximately 15 by 5 inches. You can mount it on your PC as sort of a squat rectangular status monitor. Corsair makes some widget software for it, which is what Ars Technica reviewed. They said that's kind of the best use, although that widget software probably needs some development. There's things coming to it that'll make it better. You can also just drag your own items into it. They said it's not as useful that way. It can attach to any 360 millimeter fan mount or as a side panel on Corsair's Frame Series PC case. Also comes with a tiny plastic stand if you just want to prop it up below your existing monitor, which is actually how Ars Technica reviewed it. It's available now for $250. Jenn Cutter I'm one of those people who likes those things. I use a Logitech G-series keyboard and have for a billion years. And yeah, I have widgets on it and I actually use those widgets. So this appeals to me. Tom Merritt Yeah, it's interesting that we still haven't quite cracked monitors yet where we're like trying all these things. But I looked at that. I'm like, oh, once they get that widget software perfected, I might want that. Cause you're going to have clock and email status and even, even a little bit of browsing. Although they said the browsing was a little wonky. But I kind of love the idea and it's not a crazy price at 250 bucks. Jenn Cutter It's a touchscreen too. Tom Merritt Yeah. And it's touchscreen. Don't forget that. ([Time 0:04:22](https://share.snipd.com/snip/7ac5721e-e983-4b0c-acf2-55fe30e4f314)) - **Rechargeable Trackers Solve Battery Pain** - Chipolo's Loop and Card trackers are rechargeable, cross-platform, and can ring phones even in silent mode. - Rechargeability removes the hassle of replacing button cells and keeps tracker designs compact and long-lived. Transcript: Tom Merritt Chipotle, not Chipotle, Chipotle announced two rechargeable Bluetooth trackers, the Chipotle Loop and the Chipotle Card, which are compatible with Apple's Find My and Google's Find Hub. Chipotle very well reviewed because of their cross compatibility and just good design. The card is meant to go in your wallet. It's credit card size thing has a 110 decibel speaker, uh, compatible with Qi wireless charging. Uh, the loop is a classic air tag like circle with a silicone case with a bigger speaker, a louder speaker, not bigger, 125 decibels. Uh, and you can recharge that one as well, but over USBb it doesn't have the wireless chi charging comes in six colors both trackers have a 400 foot range and here's the cool thing you can Ring your phone even when it's in silent mode by pressing a button on either one uh so it helps you find your phone as a matter of fact uh they both sell for 39 available for pre-order now Shipping in October. Jenn Cutter I should get my mom one of those then. This is her phone all the time. Tom Merritt Chipotle makes great trackers because they're rechargeable. You don't have to go find a little button cell battery when they run out of battery. And the battery life is pretty long. But the idea that I can like, oh, I've misplaced my phone, which I know some of you are like, whoever misplaces their phone, but it happens. Trust me. So, yeah, I think that's pretty cool. ([Time 0:06:09](https://share.snipd.com/snip/8129deaa-25c3-4078-89e6-c6048a8fb90c)) - **Waveguide Glasses Undercut Meta On Price** - Rokid's R-O AI glasses use dual-eye micro-LED waveguides for HUD-like overlays, 12MP camera, and on-device small models for offline features. - At $599 they undercut expected Meta pricing and signal intensifying competition in AR glasses for 2026. Transcript: Tom Merritt Finally, multiple outlets are reviewing the Rokid, not Roku, Rokid, R-O AI glasses. These are AI and AR glasses. They just launched these on Kickstarter. They are similar to Meta Ray-Bans in that they can be worn like regular glasses. They just look like glasses. But they have a dual-eye micro-LED waveguide display that gives you kind of a heads-up image projected onto the glasses. So it's not like the X-Reels where they have screens in front of you. They're doing waveguide to project the image. So you can do things like get directions, have real-time translation, can work as a teleprompter, apparently. They also have a 12-megapixel camera, open-ear speakers. That's pretty similar to the Meta Ray-Bans. Use chat GPT as well as being able to use a small model on device. So there's a lot of stuff you can do offline. Obviously, you connect them to a phone to do a lot, but there's some things they can do offline, including the translation for some of the languages. They weigh 49 grams, so they're not much heavier than a regular pair of glasses. They sell for $599, so they're a little more expensive than the Meta Ray-Bans, and they are shipping in november yeah i look forward to seeing like ordinary people use those when these Are out and hear their opinions about them because yeah uh we're gonna get meta's version of this announced at their developer event in september uh and they're expected to be around 800 so these will go from being like well they're more expensive than metas but they have the display to, uh, they are less expensive than metas, but metas do dot, dot, dot, whatever metas Are going to do. ([Time 0:07:35](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b7168c3a-4f58-4464-91ef-757a8f7e89bf)) - **Xbox Cloud Testing For Broader Access** - Microsoft is testing Xbox Cloud Gaming for lower-tier Game Pass subscribers to broaden access and stress-test systems. - This move may preface an ad-supported free cloud gaming tier to expand reach further. Transcript: Tom Merritt How exciting is this? Jenn Cutter It's a lot of words to say, hey, we're trying to see if we can do this too. Tom Merritt Yeah, you don't have to pay extra, but you do have to be an insider. So you have to jump through some hoops, but it's, you know, it's like, you don't have to pay extra to do the cloud gaming. It doesn't seem like people are that excited by Xbox cloud gaming, which may be why they're extending it. I don't know. Jenn Cutter Yeah, they're not there yet. Like, I think as games require more and more specs that people may not have at home, that becomes a lot more attractive an option. Tom Merritt Yeah. And this is prelude to the rumors that Microsoft might offer a free version of Xbox cloud gaming that is ad supported. So the first step would be, you know, stress testing your systems by extending it to more subscribers. So that makes sense too. ([Time 0:14:08](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5f79fa37-233a-42ef-8f94-00a7291fcbb3)) - **OpenAI Restructuring Tied To Big Money** - OpenAI's reorganization to a public benefit company and model distribution deals hinge on renegotiating Microsoft terms. - Failure to agree by year-end risks losing a $10B SoftBank investment tied to that reorganization. Transcript: Tom Merritt A lot of open AI news to touch on. The Financial Times says open AI's plan to restructure into a public benefit company that would let it do things like issue stock may not happen until next year. Now, it works with a major investor, Microsoft. Heard of them? Over the terms. Microsoft has a lot of terms associated with its huge investment in OpenAI from years ago. OpenAI wants to loosen that current agreement, which keeps its newest models exclusive to Microsoft Azure for cloud services. OpenAI would like to have Amazon and Google as clients for its most current models as well. That would let them make more money off their API. Microsoft, in turn, wants to rework the clause that cuts off its access to OpenAI's IP if OpenAI achieves artificial general intelligence. They want to change the terms of that. And they don't seem to be able to agree on how to do those things. If they can't agree by December 31st, OpenAI could lose access to $10 billion coming from SoftBank that is contingent on it becoming a public benefit company by the end of the year. ([Time 0:14:54](https://share.snipd.com/snip/cabcbb8c-8aa0-439c-be04-4f7f13ce3fad)) - **ChatGPT Safety Changes After Lawsuit** - OpenAI will update ChatGPT to better detect and respond to mental distress and add parental controls after a tragic incident and lawsuit. - The company aims to tighten safety measures while facing legal pressure over youth harms. Transcript: Tom Merritt Wired reporting that two AI researchers that Meta hired within the last month quit to return to OpenAI. So the whole talent swap plot thickens. And Meta's director of generative AI product management, after 10 years at Meta, has left to work on special initiatives at OpenAI. So Tidus seems to be going back that way. Also, OpenAI announced it will update ChatGPT to recognize and respond better to mental distress, as well as roll out parental controls that let parents see details of their children's Usage, as well as put limits on it. This follows two parents filing a lawsuit Tuesday against OpenAI after their 16-year son committed suicide in April. And the parents allege that ChatGPT contributed to the suicide by providing the son information and helping him write a note. They allege that he would not be dead if it weren't for ChatGPT. So the parents want the court to force OpenAI to verify ages and terminate conversations when self-harm or suicide are discussed. OpenAI already does advise people to take action if it detects suicide, but they are tightening that, and the parents think they should just tighten it all the way down. ([Time 0:16:03](https://share.snipd.com/snip/23a2b02a-ced2-49fa-b0b3-31c8269e503d)) - **Agent Power Cuts Both Ways** - Anthropic is previewing a browser-controlling Claude agent to selected enterprise subscribers to validate safety. - Its threat report warns Claude-like agents already enable scaled reconnaissance and automated attacks, accelerating malicious capabilities. Transcript: Tom Merritt Yes, we hit OpenAI and Google, we can't leave out Anthropic. The company is launching a research preview of a browser-based agent called Claude for Chrome. 1,000 subscribers to its $100 and $200 a month plans will test it. They want to make sure that they lock down the safety of an agent that can control your browser. Anthropic also issued a threat intelligence report that, among other things, revealed that Claude had been used as a technical consultant and active operator, enabling attacks That would be more difficult and time-consuming for individual actors to execute manually, including automating reconnaissance, harvesting, and network penetration at scale. This is an example of something that people have been calling vibe hacking. So it's like vibe coding, but for hacking, where attackers don't need as much technical sophistication or time to carry out their attacks. A lot of folks thought this wasn't going to happen yet. Anthropic saying it already has. Finally, on Tuesday, U.S. District Judge William Alsup confirmed that Anthropic and several authors have reached a settlement in a class action lawsuit. Details of that settlement are yet to be released, but the authors seem very happy about it. ([Time 0:18:48](https://share.snipd.com/snip/95fafceb-c665-4b52-bd73-25522296f7bc)) - **Apple Event Promises Hardware Reveals** - Apple announced a September 9 event expected to reveal new iPhones, an 'iPhone Air', updated Watch, AirPods, and Apple TV. - The glowing invite hints at hardware and possibly design-focused reveals. Transcript: Jenn Cutter The invite had a glowing Apple logo and the words, awe dropping. New iPhones, including an iPhone Air, are expected and possible new AirPods, a new Apple Watch, and a new Apple TV. Also in Apple News, the company will make its curated Apple Music radio stations available outside of Apple Music on the TuneIn app and service. ([Time 0:20:13](https://share.snipd.com/snip/0a7f7fa5-8961-4766-bca7-f825763f76e7)) - **Big Steps In Space Infrastructure** - SpaceX tested Starship successfully by deploying eight payload analogs and advancing launch reliability. - NASA deployed a 39-foot radar antenna to monitor Earth's changing ice, forests, and crust at unprecedented scale. Transcript: Tom Merritt Opening up. Interesting. In space news, SpaceX successfully tested its Starship rocket Tuesday night. After having some setbacks the last few tests, it completed the rocket's first test deployment of a payload of eight objects similar to satellites. You can call them fake satellites or whatever you want, but basically they weren't satellites, but they were the same size and weight. Amazon is planning to turn on satellite internet service from its Kuiper satellites in Vietnam over the next five years. This follows Starlink reaching a similar agreement with Vietnam. And NASA just unfurled a 39-foot diameter radar antenna that will monitor changes to glaciers, forests, and the Earth's crust. It is the largest satellite antenna ever deployed. ([Time 0:20:37](https://share.snipd.com/snip/ef21016e-fca6-43a2-b793-2653279ff4fc)) - **How Uber And Waymo Interact Locally** - Bodie Grimm explains Uber and Waymo operate autonomous taxis in Austin and Atlanta, sometimes integrated into Uber. - Outside those partnered markets, Waymo runs its own app while Uber partners where local deals exist. Transcript: Jenn Cutter Ride-hailing companies like Uber are involved in autonomous cars, sometimes in partnership, sometimes in competition. Tom caught up with Bodhi Grimm to get a line on the nature of Uber's partnerships. Bodie Grimm Bodhi, thanks again for joining us. Yeah, thanks, Tom. It's always fun to come on. Tom Merritt All right. So we've heard about Uber being in partnership with Waymo and then also running something that is in competition with Waymo. Help us clear us up. What's going on between these two? Bodie Grimm So Uber and Waymo operate autonomous taxis in Austin and Atlanta. So if you live in like LA or Phoenix area, you can just go to your Waymo app and you just type in whatever place you want to go to and it'll take you there. If you're in Austin, you have to be presented with a Waymo car. And then if you are, then you're blessed and you get to go somewhere in an autonomous vehicle. Tom Merritt And you said a Waymo app. Bodie Grimm Yeah. So there's the Uber platform and the Waymo platform. That's where they would compete. But they partner up in certain markets like Austin and Atlanta. All right. Tom Merritt So Uber is partnering with Waymo in Atlanta and Austin. And so you could use the Uber app there. Everywhere else Waymo operates, you'd have to use the Waymo. ([Time 0:22:19](https://share.snipd.com/snip/de71921f-febd-4d07-9989-57530e6f780a)) - **Uber's Many Partnerships Diversify AV Strategy** - Uber partners with many AV firms (May Mobility, Lucid/Neuro, WeRide, Motional, Volkswagen's MOA) to diversify services by market and vehicle type. - May Mobility focuses on multi-policy decision-making to reason through edge cases rather than rely only on historical data. Transcript: Bodie Grimm It turns out a lot of people, Tom. When Uber announced this partnership with Neuro and Lucid, I went down a Uber partnership rat hole. And I came up with quite a bit of stuff. So recently on DTNS, you've talked about the Lucid and Neuro deal. You've talked about Waymo a ton. Baidu, I know you recently chatted about that. But I wanted to give you a couple. And I'm going to start with my favorite. And that May Mobility. Tom Merritt What is May Mobility? I feel like maybe I've heard of this one, but it's not top of my mind. Bodie Grimm So May Mobility was founded in 2017 by Ed Olson, a really smart guy. It has an interesting take on autonomous driving. So May Mobility has patented a technique called multi-policy decision making. And really what a multi-policy decision making is, is dealing with the edge cases, right? Autonomous driving vehicles, they handle driving in almost every situation without an issue until you get to that edge case. I don't know if you heard about the Waymos in the parking lot in San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're all, they, they couldn't figure it out and they're all honking each other, bugging people multiple mornings. Um, so what May Mobility has done is they've made a, their multi, uh, policy decision-making MPDM. Um, they've made that more human-like. So when it faces one of these challenges, it reasons through it like a human. And I'm going to give you the example they gave on the website. Cause I think it's really good actually. So imagine you're in a dense, uh, city, right? You got high rise buildings and you're going to be making your, your, well, you're going, we'll say West and you're going to be making a 90 degree left turn, but coming up, uh, traveling North, you have a bicycle and just behind the bicycle, you have a car and all three of you are going to hit that 90 degree turn about the same time. So Tom, for you as a human driver, what would you do if you were the main mobility car traveling West? Tom Merritt I'm traveling West and they're coming from the North. It's like a story problem. Bodie Grimm No, they're heading North. They're heading North. Okay. Tom Merritt So are they coming towards me? No, no. Bodie Grimm They're on the other side of that 90 degree turn. Tom Merritt And so they're coming towards the intersection. Bodie Grimm Not an intersection, a 90 degree turn. This is probably maybe not the best example. Tom Merritt Yeah, that's the, that's the, I'm having a hard time picture it. So they're coming from behind me then? No, no. Bodie Grimm So they're traveling this way. There's a 90 degree turn and you're traveling this way and there's a, you're going to be turning. Ah, I'm coming. You're going to be turning south. They're going to be turning east. Yeah. Yeah. Tom Merritt Well, I'm just going to stay to the right and hopefully they'll stay to the right and then we'll all turn and everything will be fine. Right? Bodie Grimm Yeah, absolutely. That's like the most common thing, right? Tom Merritt It was much harder to understand the situation that I was like, it's a little too easy. Like, I'm just gonna stay away from them. Okay, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bodie Grimm No, I wonder if May Mobility has a way of better to describe this in their multi decision making policy. But yeah, so the thing is, is if that bicycle went a little too wide, right? And that car now has to overtake the bicycle, it's got to be a little wide. If you're over to the right, everybody's safe. And what May Mobility does is it looks at these situations and it comes up with a list of possible things that are going to happen. And then it matches those lists of things that could happen with an outcome, right? You have an outcome, but it also has a, how can I avoid an accident list? And then it weighs them and that's how it makes its decision. So instead of just hoovering up all of this data that may or may not have ever been, you know, different cars may or may not have ever been in this situation. It's like, I'm going to reason through this, not rely on, has this happened before? Ah, okay. Tom Merritt So it's doing this, this example, some people be like, well, that's happened before. It's like, yeah, but the point is you don't need it to, you don't need to trade it on that specific instance. It can reason its way through it. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. Bodie Grimm And honestly, and I told you this a little before we started recording, but I think this is a lot like Tesla's neural nets. I think this is kind of similar to what Tesla's neural nets are doing. Tom Merritt Yeah. It's actually similar to a lot of deep reasoning types of models, even outside of autonomous cars, right? Just doing those layers and saying, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? And then picking the best answer that fits the circumstances, right? Yeah, absolutely. Bodie Grimm That's a good way of a much cleaner way of saying it. So May Mobility has strategic partnerships, obviously with Uber, but also with Toyota. They drive around Toyota Sienna minivans. They use May Mobility hardware on those vans and software, and they operate in Arlen, Texas and Peachtree Corners, Georgia. ([Time 0:23:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/18dc4b8f-54ce-4a40-b9a6-fc20d1819c63)) - **Regional Pilots Drive AV Rollouts** - Some partners like AVRide and WeRide focus on sidewalk robots or regional passenger tests with timelines into 2025–2026. - International markets (UAE, Abu Dhabi, South Korea) host many live AV deployments where Uber acts as a platform integrator. Transcript: Tom Merritt All right. So we've talked about a few partnerships. I know there's a bunch more. Let's get through as many of them as we can. What's the next one that Uber is partnering with? I'm going to lightning around these next two. Bodie Grimm Okay, let's do it. Serve and Cartkin. Both of these companies are just the typical sidewalk robot, right? Oh, okay. Yeah. Tom Merritt Got it. The little rolling freezer containers, basically. Bodie Grimm Yeah. Yeah. Not much here. They just travel to where you want them to go. And AV Ride, which is our next one, the sidewalk delivery robots like neuro, right. But it also is testing the passenger service. And that is supposed to happen in 2025. Tom Merritt But you're not riding in the same compartment as the food. It's a bigger vehicle. Bodie Grimm Yes. I mean, some people might, I know, I know some pretty small people, but typically this is going to be in an Ioniq 5, though. Tom Merritt Okay. Yeah. Now that makes more sense. Bodie Grimm Yeah. And AVRide operates in South Korea. And like I said, they're testing. But the tests are planned for 2025, and we should see actual passengers being able to ride in 2026. ([Time 0:28:53](https://share.snipd.com/snip/0e51ce6c-ae0d-4b72-b64b-b094c890e0df)) - **Automaker AVs And Platform Integration** - Volkswagen's MOA will deploy ID.Buzz minibuses using Mobileye hardware and VW software integrated with Uber's platform. - Motional (Hyundai/Aptiv) has a paused but evolving relationship with Uber that reflects shifting AV partnerships and leadership changes. Transcript: Bodie Grimm Volkswagen and their mobility arm MOA, which is a subsidiary of Volkswagen Group. They're going to be using one of my favorite cars although i think it's way too expensive for the range you get but i love this car it's the volkswagen id buzz which is the updated version Of the minibus that volkswagen used to have nice yeah so autonomous minibus yeah yeah and it's it's such a good looking car it's just $70,000 for like a 215 mile range is not, not, not my, Like I love, I don't love it that much. So, but these vans are going to use mobile eye hardware, which is an, an Intel company or it used to be, I don't know if it's still there. Yeah. Um, with Volkswagen's own software and then they're going to use Uber's platform. Tom Merritt And then what about the last one? On the list of things that you have determined Uber is partnering with, who's the last? Bodie Grimm Yeah. So then we have Motional, which is a Hyundai Motor Group company. They're partnering with Aptiv. Aptiv does a bunch of hardware and software solutions for the auto industry. This one, I'm not sure what stage they're in because they've created a partnership in 2022 with Uber. They paused it in 2024 with Uber and Lyft. And I'm not sure what they've done. ([Time 0:30:40](https://share.snipd.com/snip/2a518355-4edd-4916-8ea0-51a51bf741ca)) - **Clarify Comparisons Between AV Approaches** - Pair technical details with clarifying corrections when comparing AV approaches to avoid misleading parallels. - Bodie Grimm clarified May Mobility and Tesla both solve edge cases similarly but use different sensor and hardware strategies. Transcript: Tom Merritt Bodie wanted us to add too, after we recorded that, that he thought he said May Mobility's system and Tesla's neural net approach were similar, and he knew Tesla people might pick on That. So he meant to say that they solved edge cases in a similar way. Tesla uses a vision-based system. May Mobility has a bunch of equipment that it adds to the car. But for the record, both companies have a different approach to autonomous vehicles. He wanted to make sure that was clear. ([Time 0:32:53](https://share.snipd.com/snip/3abf91e7-cf97-49e1-8879-1f4337af5675)) - **Weigh Anonymity Trade-Offs For Android Apps** - Developers distributing sideloaded Android apps must register identity with Google even if not listed on Play Store. - Consider anonymity trade-offs carefully when building sensitive apps, because Google will retain developer identity records. Transcript: Tom Merritt Yeah, John wrote, and this was very nice of him, I say, first, as always, love your show. Wonderful work. Wish everyone put in the effort that your team does. Thank you, John. That's very nice of you to say. Second, you mentioned on today's show about Google's new rules requiring all apps, including those sideloaded ones, to have the dev clearly identified. And just to be clear and set up John Wright, we were talking about if you're not in the Play Store, you just have to tell Google who you are. Google will not publish that information. That's important for what John's about to say. John says, I would just draw your attention to three news stories. The IceBlock app got released. The White House was unhappy about it. The tech giants want to stay on the White House's good side. There is reason for anonymity because it allows the speaking of truth to power. While IceBlock is not the ideal example in this case, as it is only on iPhone and the author publicly himself. My point remains, keep up the great work. John from Typhoon hit Vietnam. I'm glad to see that you have weathered the typhoon, at least it appears to you do. But yeah, I think that's a lot of people are concerned. And the reason I wanted to clarify is not that it's publicly available. If you're on the Google Play Store or you're on the App Store on iOS, that information is publicly available. But people who might want to make a smaller app and might want to remain anonymous now have to tell Google who they are in order to be on Android, unless they want a smaller number of people Who jailbreak things and all of that. And there might be situations, there might be edge cases where someone is working in a sensitive area and does not want to, you know, not even publicly, but doesn't even want Google to Have it on the record anywhere, who they are. ([Time 0:35:21](https://share.snipd.com/snip/273a6d88-a4b1-4d9e-96ca-1e8941a8056a))