News Brief: Alleged Kirk Shooter  ## Metadata - Author: [[I Don't Speak German]] - Full Title: News Brief: Alleged Kirk Shooter - Category: #podcasts - URL: https://share.snipd.com/episode/a091bae2-0895-4c00-af79-245b8bb4bf9e ## Document Notes ## Highlights - **Rush To Political Labels** - Early claims about the shooter's politics rapidly polarized coverage before facts emerged. - Daniel Harper and Jack Graham urge caution and stress we lack firm ideological data. Transcript: Jack Graham So they caught somebody by which, you know, they're taking a victory lap. What actually seems to have happened is that his family turned him in after they realized, or, you know, again, this person hasn't been given a trial, you know, hasn't been convicted Of anything. Everybody's just assuming that he's the shooter at this point. I mean, you know, again, I'm not commenting on the likelihood of that. It's not my area at all. But this young man has been arrested uh tyler robinson tyler robinson if we're naming him yeah as a result of his i feel like i feel like we can like we're in a place where we can name them Daniel Harper They're you know we're not hyping the thing or anything you know um yeah anyway yeah and uh yeah of course that has been a massive um news cycle around his arrest. Jack Graham And let's dive straight into this. Both sides are racing to claim him for the other team, so to speak, to put it crudely. People on the right, of course, immediately before he was even caught, they were declaring the shooter just somebody on the left or and or trans and they seem to they seem to talk as if That's just the same thing now um yes exactly and after this uh this young man was caught people on the left by by which i mean sort of left of center people on blue sky and youtube that that I'm familiar with uh which is really a very small number of people in real terms um raced to do the other thing to claim him for the other side and right like immediately immediately going Like he's a grouper he's got to be a grouper etc you know yeah um yeah now it he does from what we know and we have various reports now including messages supposedly scratched onto bullets, One of which being the bullet that was fired and others being bullets that weren't fired, and other things about him. He does seem to be, at least to me, and I imagine to lots of other people, a confusing and contradictory figure. Yes. Daniel, what do you make of him based on what we know so far? Daniel Harper Well, we know he's 22 years old. Um, he did turn, I believe he turned himself in after he spoke to his family, like his family confronted him and he did turn himself in, but he has not been cooperating with authorities Beyond like he turned himself up, but he hasn't been from everything I'm seeing in the news from every, you know, from official statements, he's not really talking. He's just, and so everybody's just going through his social media history and such. ([Time 0:01:46](https://share.snipd.com/snip/3c0d65ba-7a5b-4722-9471-88d1629abce5)) - **Casings Are Mixed Signals** - Bullet casings carried mixed internet and cultural references that confuse simple labels. - Hosts argue memes like "Bella Ciao" and gaming references don't prove a coherent ideology. Transcript: Daniel Harper I don't know. Should we talk about what was on the bullets maybe? And kind of. Jack Graham Yeah, I'd like to. Can we go from there? Daniel Harper If we can. Yeah, because you're right. Jack Graham The governor of Utah has stated publicly, along with saying that he's not cooperating, that he has a left, a quote, left leaning ideology. And a lot of the media are reporting the same and they're reporting the stuff on some of the stuff on the bullets as straightforwardly um anti-fascist they're reporting you know i've Read lots of things like one of the bullets apparently had written on it uh catch this fascist or fascist catch that's that's the one that's the one that they uh hey fascist catch this Daniel Harper Yeah um and that's the one that everybody is, you know, immediately, well, of course, he's got to be, he's got to be Antifa if he's for that. Jack Graham And one of the other bullets apparently had Bella Ciao written on it. Bella Ciao is, of course, famous Italian anti-fascist song, which dates back to the... Which I did not know. That dates back to partisan, anti- and anti-fascist activity during second world war they appropriated that song um but apparently that's that's that's been featured in a recent Netflix television series just in case there was any danger of things being clear about what was what that apparently is where ([Time 0:06:11](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d21d305d-20bf-4cc8-b325-855a69dab35a)) - **Use Experts For Internet Culture** - Hire journalists or experts familiar with online subcultures before interpreting memes. - Misreading irony-poisoned internet culture leads to sensationalist, misleading headlines. Transcript: Daniel Harper The very very respectful new york. I say that with great irony. The thing is, and this is like, this is like, I think the thing that we just have to get from this. And if you like learn anything from this, then you need to employ your new services to hire internet culture experts. People who are in these, in these realms, people who know this stuff. Or just some journalists. That would be a start. Well, so the Negro Post is particularly bad on that, but I mean, it is like five-year who use email at work and never go on the internet otherwise, who are trying to interpret these things. It's like, well, I Googled this, and it's from this furry thing. And I mean, you could be a decent like person and like make that mistake because like this is deeply irony poisoned internet culture and actually having somebody on your staff who's Just a regular well-paid member of staff who can cover these things for you and who understands how this shit works that's going to mean that suddenly you can actually deal with these Topics in a realistic manner and maybe you know um i think that's important i think that's something that that we've learned is that you know you know who never go online do not understand How to interpret this stuff um i mean i i'm not in this world i i rely on other people who are more deeply in this world to understand it um i'm obviously highly internet poisoned i've been On the internet every day since i was 15 years old, but, uh, you know, I, I, I, I was born in the dark, you know, but, uh, you know, um, I, I think, I think, I mean, just the reporting has been Really disgusting on this. And I think partly it's like the New York post is just, they're just looking to spear furries and trans people. Yeah. Um, and a lot of the, even the more responsible, so we're reporting, um, doesn't understand it because they just don't understand it. ([Time 0:09:46](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b7360a0b-2263-40ac-a53a-e5785b1767c6)) - **Memes As Performance, Not Proof** - Memes often function as in-group irony rather than sincere political statements. - Hosts caution that meme use can be performative rather than ideological. Transcript: Daniel Harper Yeah yeah i've seen that kind of stuff before no this is a very specific meme from the game hell divers 2 i've never played any of the hell divers games i don't know what you know it's apparently Like a bomb launch sequence again it's internet meme it's something that these kids in their discord chats they just trade this stuff back and forth all day long it's just an internet Meme and it's something that like the 18 year old who's in that chat who thinks it's funny when like the grown-ups don't understand this stuff so it's i mean i i would argue based on what We know right now i'm arguing he's performing for that crowd in the same way that the um the christ church killer and the buffalo shooter etc um were performing for their audiences now That was a much more like directly politically engaged um whereas i think this seems to be more um just for the memes and just for just you just just for the fun of it um and was less like kind Of directly ideologically motivated um from what i understand at this point i could be mistaken on this um but uh you know the other ones you know the hey fascist catch is apparently making Fun of uh kirk for being a fascist or not being fascist enough he could go either way you know um and then of course you mentioned the bella chow thing which was quoted in the um it appears In uh the netflix series uh money heist which apparently it's like a big netflix original um it's originally from it's originally in spanish so i'm planning to watch the money in the Original language pretty soon i just haven't gotten started on it yet but um um, so yeah, that's what the, that's, that's of all the ideology that we get from this kid, from this man, from The 22 year old, I'll call him a kid. I don't mean that to demean him or to, you know, some innocent or whatever. I just, for everything we know from this guy, um, that's, that's all the politics we have from him. Basically. Except for, you know, he fought with his family sometimes about politics. But, I mean, again, that could go either way. He could be like a Nick Quintus fan. He could be an anti-fascist. And he's arguing with his normally conservative Utahan parents. Who knows? I mean, at this point, we can't know. ([Time 0:12:05](https://share.snipd.com/snip/bc37064d-d869-481f-8f00-edfb01287282)) - **Discord Jokes After The Shooting** - Reporters found chat excerpts where the suspect joked in Discord after the shooting. - He didn't explicitly confess but showed knowledge that alarmed friends and investigators. Transcript: Daniel Harper Um, I did see interestingly, and I don't have this link in front of me, so I'll have to send it to you. You can put it in the show notes, but, um, he was chatting with his discord after the shooting as he was in that discord chat and he shot charlie kirk and then uh was memeing with them and Like he didn't tell them he was like it's like somebody posted in the things like god that looks a lot like tyler doesn't it and it's like oh must be my doppelganger oh yeah like that sort Of thing um and uh you know kept uh you know kind of commenting about the about the shooting and just kind of joking around with his buddies, never saying he did it, but then like he had knowledge That sounded like he knew more than cops did. And, um, I think part of the reason that he got, and, and, you know, apparently some of these people were people that knew him in real life, like old childhood friends of his that have just Stayed in the discord chat together. But we have no idea who all those people are. ([Time 0:14:58](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e99c0518-151a-490a-99c0-e6475386ba56)) - **Opportunity Over Deep Plotting** - Opportunism likely shaped the attack more than long-term targeted plotting. - Jack Graham suggests the event's timing and location may have enabled the attack. Transcript: Jack Graham Fact that he spent one semester at college is what the right immediately leapt upon um dinesh d'souza was on that like like a fly on a turd you know of his professors radicalized him? Several of them have been doing that. As if you're, you know, I think he was like a technical vocational student or something. And he did one semester at a college in Utah. I don't imagine he was exposed to much you know critical race theory in that time actually um the the other thing that's been reported is that he apparently has or had a trans roommate And some people have been reporting this as this is important yes his him being in a relationship with this person i don't actually know if this person is trans i don't know if they're A trans woman or a trans man i've seen it both ways in what i've seen because of course some of these people are probably misgendering this person apparently spencer cox has confirmed This for whatever that's worth um so and tyler has been reported as saying that he hates Charlie Kirk because he spreads hate. So you can see a possible narrative starting to emerge there. Daniel Harper Yeah, so I have an article here from the Daily Beast. My understanding is that it was a trans woman, that it is his roommate, and that they are romantically involved. Jack Graham I believe that the um hold on let me give me just a second here yeah the other thing i wanted to say was that this does strike me as opportunistic and this is you know the only reason kennedy Gets shot by oswald is because kennedy happens to to be driven past the warehouse where oswald happens this this this particular guy who's ready to do something. He happens to be working there. And here you have apparently a young man sort of in a similar sort of situation ready to do something. And this guy, Charlie Kirk, happens to turn up at the college that's near where he lives. You know, I think if that event hadn't been, it's me speculating, obviously, but I strongly suspect that if this event just hadn't happened to be scheduled in that particular place, None of this would have happened. Yeah. Which does tend to sort of run against the idea of this being a particular obsessive grudge. ([Time 0:16:40](https://share.snipd.com/snip/467f7a54-68da-4995-80e5-a3801e50a1ab)) - **Relationship ≠ Motive** - Romantic ties to a trans roommate do not establish motive. - Hosts warn against assuming personal relationships equal political motive without clear evidence. Transcript: Daniel Harper Um, but that may be coming out of the Spencer Cox's rancid little asshole on this topic. Um, I believe that it is true that, uh, the Robinson was dating his roommate and that it is a trans woman. And Spencer Cox claims to have been in communication with this person. They have not named this person because they're not involved with the shooting or anything. They had no idea about it. Apparently, they were horrified when they found out. As romantic partners found this. Marina Oswald was horrified when she found out yeah i was what i done and then you know sort of the rest of her life pretending it was a conspiracy you know you gotta love that um but uh yeah Jack Graham Again in the movie she knows it's a conspiracy and then the warren commission convince her that it wasn't the reality the exact opposite but we're not doing that again we're not doing Daniel Harper That again we just keep we can't get away from gfk man uh it's a high-powered rifle so therefore we just have to talk about gfk anyway um no this is being used this is the thing this is the Thing that's like really disgusting is that at first before we knew anything about this kid we knew anything about anything we had no identification we needed they were finding like 70 year olds and thinking that was the shooter because that was the first thing that was reported as a person of interest yeah and you know immediately within within minutes within hours It's it's got to be it's got to be a trans person they would use the the t-slur i'm not going to use the t-slur, obviously, but, you know, like it's... Yeah, Nancy may use that all over the statement. It's got to be... First, the shooter has to be trans, because all mass shooters are trans now. They just decided that all mass shooters are trans. That's right. Jack Graham In their alternate reality that they've chosen to live in, all mass shooters are trans now. That's just something they know. That's just a fact for them. Daniel Harper Because there have been a couple of mass shooters who happen to be trans, you know, because trans people are people and some of them do despicable things which i mean in case we did not This was a despicable thing to do i'm not you know we're not fans of this um at the same time so so at first it was well it's obviously got to be a trans person and then when they kind of get photos Of the guy and it's like it doesn't look trans to me you know obviously never sometimes you can't tell it looks like a dopey little white kid you know um and then it becomes well it's trans Ideology because you know look we've misinterpreted these things that are on the that are on the bullet casings and so it's got to be a trans ideology now and then when that doesn't seem To be true suddenly they're retreating again and like well no it's it's his trans roommate has infected his brain and made him like do transy shootings. And so it's, it's still based on the, and so the, the common denominator here is a, it is not surprising to me that a 22 year old was, um, well, whether it's romantic or there, it's just a Roommate situation. A whole lot of people in their late twenties are, are playing with their gender these days, whether they remain trans or whether they, they, you know, transition This is not a judgment. This is a judgment-free zone on all that stuff, but a whole lot of 20-somethings play around with their gender these days. This is not unusual for a 22-year to be friendly, emotionally invested in the life of a trans person. That is not, and there's no indication whatsoever. And again, if we find out, then I will be happy to discuss this further. But there's no reason at this point to think this has anything to do with the reason for the shooting. ([Time 0:19:41](https://share.snipd.com/snip/71973eca-4330-427f-9aac-55b5d78bb9da)) - **Narrative Capture By Politicians** - Political actors seized the narrative to press anti-trans agendas immediately. - Hosts criticize officials for pushing unverified claims that fuel persecution. Transcript: Daniel Harper Like, you know, like a baby bird, their baby birds are taking this regurgitated crap. And I don't trust it at all because Spencer Cox very clearly has an agenda here. He wants this to be about trans people and the entire right-wing media and a whole lot of the mainstream media are kind of running with that. And it's just, you know, the absolute, you know, this is the Charlie Kirk won that day because, you know, suddenly the entire government apparatus that he spent a lot of hours many many Hours trying to push it against trans people is now being even more pushed against trans people and there's no evidence that this kid had any kind of particular inclinations one way Or another towards trans people um except if he's a friendly and romantically involved look there are nazis who are friends with trans people like there were members of Adam Woffen Division. So I feel like we should, I feel like we've kind of been answering questions. You get some questions on the internet. Um, and I guess we should start with, um, David Gerrard, friend of the show, one of our very first cans. Yeah. I think he may have been like, uh, in our first like five listeners, just like that. You know, he was a, he was a fan of the show before it was a show. I think he's kind of the way it worked. ([Time 0:24:04](https://share.snipd.com/snip/78ebb1a2-b694-4ddf-af8d-04458722c0dc)) - **Familiarity Isn’t Proof Of Radicalization** - Familiarity with extremist figures doesn't equal extremist action. - Hosts highlight the "dog that didn't bark": absence of explicit extremist symbols matters. Transcript: Jack Graham It's not an either or. It's not like he is or he isn't a G you know it's not an on or off switch and if he's not a gruyper then there's no there's no influence there's no association at all you know it's he could have Heard of nick fuentes he could have be he could be partly you know familiar with some of this stuff without being you know, technically, whatever that would even mean, a Groyper. Yeah, yeah. Daniel Harper I mean, again, we can, like, it's not like they have membership cards, you know. Well, I think some of them do, but. Oh, they do, okay. This is, I think the inner circle, I mean, there are, like, you know, Funtas has this little hierarchy of people. I mean, if you're, you know, if you're working with him, if you're like going to his events and stuff, I mean, it's small. It's not, but like Nick Fuentes has enormous reach among people of that age and among, you know, that, that world. That's one of the problems of Nick Fuentes, just having that kind of reach. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, it's like if it was just the nineties, it's like, well, he watched friends. And so clearly, you know, he shot it because Chandler being told him. So it's like, no, that's not, that's not how this works. Um, you being familiar with Fuentes does not mean that he's like a descendant of the Groyper Wars. Um, and again, again, in the, in the, in the Sherlock Holmes sense of the, the dog that didn't bark, you know, we can look at what isn't on the showcasing. It's like, he doesn't say Jew lover, for instance, he's not doing straight Nick Fuentes memes. He's not doing, these are, these are internet poisoned. Like, I mean, and like, yeah, he only has like, you know, um, some of the other shooters have had, uh, you know, um, like many, many, like, you know, like they drawn like the way Brenton Tarrant like drew on his rifle within the white marker and stuff. And they draw all these kinds of, um, and some of them are just incoherent because it's just, incoherent. So it's all just like backing. It's just being against the system in whatever way. And so they just use it to do the thing. ([Time 0:26:30](https://share.snipd.com/snip/9e10a7aa-0543-4ef9-9f09-2ab57083c40e)) - **Tactical Profile Matters** - This was a single-shot killing, not a mass-casualty attack, and looks tactically different. - Hosts contrast it with mass-shooting manifestos and theatrical attacks. Transcript: Daniel Harper You know, he brought forward, you know, if this was intended to be a mass shooting and just like creating chaos, that would have been a very different kind of incident in my mind. Again, I'm not an expert on this, you know, that on that kind of criminology, but you know, this, this does not feel like, you know, the Christ church massacre is a, it's a very different Kind of thing. But I think going out in the world and wanting to see, you know, wanting to do violence in the name of like seeing, seeing people scatter, I think that was, that was probably a big part of The, part of here. And again, we don't know, but we can infer from facts. And again, if it had Jew lover written on the side of these casings, you'd go, yeah, okay, well, that's a fascist. If you didn't have death to Israel, I mean, of course, they'd read that as a left-wing thing. Oh, it's just generic antisemitism. Know um but again it's so internet poison it's so irony poisoned that um you cannot make a direct ideological meaning out of this whatsoever and i think that's the real answer is you know A we don't know enough yet and what we do know from what previous people have done this sort of thing so um again i don't know is that clear i think i think it's pretty obvious at this point Jack Graham I think it's as clear as it can be given the the lack of clarity that reality is presenting us with at this point yes yes and you know in a week or two we will know more and maybe we'll we're Daniel Harper Not going to revisit this every every four days but like we'll obviously be discussing this as we know more we're just trying to update you um just because like i think the real thing is We just find um a lot of the reporting on this and a lot of the online you know on all sides like look yes right you know they're ([Time 0:28:23](https://share.snipd.com/snip/a5f6375a-ce15-4a38-a179-14f0097dc475)) - **Don’t Blame Leaders Without Evidence** - Avoid hastily blaming prominent extremists without evidence. - Evaluate concrete symbols and language before accusing figures like Nick Fuentes. Transcript: Daniel Harper Yeah. And again, I'm not saying he definitely wasn't a Groyper. I'm saying we don't know yet. We don't have that data yet. And the fact that he's not using Groyper memes, he's not using, you know, if there were Groyper memes, I would know them. This was, this guy was like, was deliberately doing this for an ideological motive within this far right internet space i would see it and instantly know exactly where it came from and I don't know this this is this is an internet culture that i'm not that i do not partake of um that does not seem to be um highly nazi inflected so again from what we know right now i don't think This is a gorper but you know we may and if and if we do find out more i will crawl on that but i'm telling you now, do not just start blaming Nick Fuentes for this name. Blame Nick Fuentes for the things Nick Fuentes actually did and actually does every day. Blame him for the real shit. Don't blame him for this. There's there, there's no evidence yet. So let's, let's, let's be a little, let's be a little bit more honest about that. You know, and again, I've only seen it in a couple of places. This is not like a regular thing, but I have seen people kind of jump into that conclusion. And I want to just say we cannot jump to that conclusion yet. It's just not, it is, it is not based on facts and evidence as they used to say on law and order all the time, you know, conclusion, not based in facts and evidence. So it's just the, that's just the case. ([Time 0:30:15](https://share.snipd.com/snip/7baf06aa-f2a5-48e7-b92d-a1360a10893c)) - **Kirk As Political Symbol** - Charlie Kirk functioned as a symbol and influencer, not just a campus debater. - Hosts argue his media work shaped Republican politics and deserves scrutiny. Transcript: Daniel Harper Kirk is no longer, Kirk isn't a person anymore. He's a symbol. It's this thing they're using to, you see this a lot. And this is why I was really pushing in the last Charlie Kirk episode against this idea that he was just a reason to be. He would just like to spar with people. He liked to really get in the ideas and he was just asking questions and and like no he was he was producing far-right propaganda racist islamophobic propaganda we covered that in a lot Of detail and we can cover it in a lot more detail i went light on the guy believe me that it would be simple and i've seen i've seen a lot of stuff in the last like two days where people went A lot further than I did on that. I was deliberately trying to hold back just to go like, look, we could tell you how bad this guy was just from one episode of this podcast. We do not have to go looking for stuff to find horrifying things. And that's really just listen to a little bit. Jack Graham That has really struck people. Think i've seen several things where people have posted about that last episode we did where people have reacted very strongly to the fact that literally what you did was you you played People the last literally the last thing he said on his last ever podcast and it i think it has struck people yeah he you know and he didn't know that was going to be his last show that was Just business as usual just another that was just tuesday for him or whatever day it was you know and that's what he went out doing that's that a struck a chord with listeners i think well Please share it widely you ([Time 0:32:33](https://share.snipd.com/snip/75e7120b-1889-4827-b1d5-778ae33098d0)) - **Praise From Extremists Reveals Alignment** - Far-right and white nationalist figures quickly co-opt praise selectively. - James Edwards and others applaud Kirk when his positions align with their agenda. Transcript: Daniel Harper He volunteered for, for Patrick Buchanan's campaign, um, back in, um, back in 2000 when running on the reform ticket. Um, he starts his podcast in 2004. Um, and it's running on AM radio ever since he has interviewed everybody who is anybody in the white nationalist movement. Um, I don't know that Mike, you know, I think Mike, I did appear on it once, uh, but it's a little more family friendly for, for like the show of boys. Like literally everybody um he is personal friends with david duke like this is this is a man who is much further right charlie kirk was um just to be clear i'm openly anti-semitic denies The holocaust the whole the whole nine yards was quoting Charlie Kirk's last tweet positively. As in, wow, Charlie Kirk really was saying the right thing here. He really appreciated it. He knows that Charlie Kirk was not as far to the right as he is. And oftentimes, these guys consider Charlie Kirk a cock on these matters because he is in the pocket of Israel, in the pocket of the Jews, etc. So they don't like Charlie Kirk for that. But when he says something on topics they like, they agree with him 100%. Really, it's changed since last week when the Irina Zarutska de Carlos Brown video went public. That happened back in August the 24th, the murder of Irina Zarutska. And there's a correlation to Charlie Kirk's assassination by what appears to be a radicalized left-wing transsexual. Charlie Kirk's last tweet before he was murdered on September 10th was, he said this, if we want things to change, it's 100% necessary to politicize the senseless murder of Irina Zarutska Because it was politics that allowed a savage monster with 14 priors to be free on the streets to kill her. It's eerie to think, James, that that was her last. That was Charlie Kurtz last tweet. I noticed that, Paul, and it is. And I intend and I know you do as well and so many others to honor his wishes in doing exactly that because there is a reason for doing that, not for scoring political points, but to save Lives. It will save lives to talk about this. And let's talk about it. It's about the murder of a young Ukrainian woman. She is 22 or 23 years old. And I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina. Her name is Irina Zarutska. From what I understand, there's no reason to think that this young woman was not a perfectly wonderful – she was beautiful. She was a refugee from Ukraine working in a sandwich shop. Parents, when they were in interviews that they did with the FBI, they had the FBI translator because they don't speak English yet. And it's a senseless murder. It is. And, but because the perpetrator is a scary looking black man with a large, with a long rap sheet. And because it was a senseless murder, the right wing is just like, every black person is doing this. And as we showed in that audio that I played at the end of the last episode, this is not because like this particular person is, it's all of these people. They are all savages who are not fit for, for human conduct. And we need to lock them up and throw away the key and execute them. Ideally. Um, that, that was his politics. That's, that's, that's the man he was. And actually, the actual white nationalists read that tweet and Bravovo, applause. You are finally getting, you are getting done what we want to get done. You are engaging with our political project because we hate these people too. We hate them just as much as you do. We just kind of don't think there are some good ones. We just want all of them to go. Whereas Charlie Kirk would be like, well, I have black friends. I have, you know, and it's, you know, but he does. He does. I mean, not, I mean, he may, you know, right wingers who agree with this project, you know, because, again, there are bad black people because black people are people, you know, to make Sense to me. That is, again, the legacy of that's how things are spitting out now is that is because mainstream organizations, because The New York Times and Ezra Klein goes out there and says he Was a debater. He was just a person interested in discussion and moving politics the right way, because they do not. And I have seen a lot of people, especially in, there's a great piece at Boing Boing that goes through this. I mean, I'll put some good links. I'll give you a bunch of links. You can just put them in the show notes. Because the mainstream organizations, because these mainstream news outlets, because they produce propaganda that is, well, Charlie Kirk, he was just a debater. It's a senseless murder. He was just, he was just having a conversation. Again, you cannot, you cannot speak of Charlie Kirk that way and then actually play things that he said in his day-to life. It's just impossible to do. And I thought, I think it is, it is the role of everyone who is listening to the sound of my voice and everybody who, you know, get this word out there. Like, make people actually listen to his words. This is what he actually said. This is not what mainstream outlets are pretending he said. Let's talk about what he actually believed and what he was actually advocating for. ([Time 0:44:30](https://share.snipd.com/snip/fed21501-baff-4534-bab3-98c3b29210f4)) - **Wait For Verified Developments** - The hosts plan to follow the story but warn against repetitive coverage until clearer facts appear. - They vow to update listeners as the investigation yields verified information. Transcript: Daniel Harper Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, we are going to have to continue discussing Charlie Kirk. Hopefully, we'll not do a full another episode about this, at least not for a little while. Um, but as we record other episodes, we will obviously kind of come in and kind of talk a little bit about what's going on. Um, unless some major new development happens, I think this is the last we're doing like a full Charlie Kirk episode for the, for the foreseeable future, but the news moves fast. Who knows by the time this is up, we might be going, well, I guess we got to record again. ([Time 0:52:06](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b105be28-8932-4ab3-acd4-9f8ec0f4485c))