Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine Podcast Episode 629

Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine | Podcast Episode 629 ![rw-book-cover](https://readwise-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/static/images/article1.be68295a7e40.png) 🔗 **Source:** [Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine | Podcast Episode 629](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH068MROwoQ) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [christian-nationalism, revival-culture, political-rallies, ihop-movement, lou-engle, cult-dynamics] > author: [MISSING] > source: William Branham Historical Research > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH068MROwoQ > date created: {{date:YYYY-MM-DD}} {{time:HH:mm}} > > # 🏷️ Title: Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine | Podcast Episode 629 >  ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ## 📝 Summary - **What happened**: John Collins and Brantley Smith analyze the "Rededicate 250" event on the National Mall, featuring Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, and President Trump reading scripture - **Why it matters**: Reveals recurring patterns of "revival culture" being used as political rallies to mobilize Christian nationalist sentiment - **Key stakeholders**: NAR leaders (Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, Cindy Jacobs), political figures (Trump, Mike Johnson), former IHOP members experiencing trauma responses - **Risks and tradeoffs**: Historical pattern of demonizing political opponents through biblical language leads to potential violence; manipulation of religious sentiment for political ends - **Bottom line**: What's marketed as "revival" is actually a sophisticated political rally machine that has operated consistently since the 1960s, using religious language to charge audiences against perceived enemies ## 📖 Main Content ### The Revival Rally Machine Collins and Smith expose how modern "revival" events function as political rallies rather than genuine spiritual renewals. The "Rededicate 250" event exemplifies this pattern, featuring charismatic leaders like Lou Engle alongside political figures in what amounts to Christian nationalist mobilization. ### Historical Patterns of Demonization Collins traces this pattern back to William Branham's 1960s rhetoric against the Kennedy administration, where Jacqueline Kennedy was labeled "Jezebel" and JFK as "Ahab." This created a framework where biblical enemies could be mapped onto political opponents, allowing speakers to make implicit threats while maintaining plausible deniability. ### The Trauma Response Mechanism Smith describes experiencing familiar bodily responses (adrenaline, chills) while watching Lou Engle despite intellectually rejecting the message. This illustrates how these events create conditioned dopamine responses that can override critical thinking, functioning as a form of programming that persists even after leaving these movements. ### Cross-Pollination Networks The discussion reveals extensive connections between figures like Cindy Jacobs, Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, and various IHOP leaders, all emerging from interconnected networks like the Elim Association. This creates a "finely tuned engine" where different groups serve as "cogs" in a larger political machine. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ Opening Discussion - Content Creation Challenges - Collins notes the difficulty of creating content when "history keeps repeating itself" - Research into Cindy Jacobs reveals connections to broader Christian nationalist networks - Every source described her father simply as "Baptist minister" without naming him #### ⏱️ Lou Engle and Rededicate 250 Analysis - Smith describes personal history with Lou Engle through The Ramp in Hamilton, Alabama - Rededicate 250 featured Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, President Trump reading 2 Chronicles - Smith experienced trauma response - bodily sensations despite intellectual rejection - Event positioned as "solemn assembly" but functioned as political rally #### ⏱️ Historical Parallels - William Branham and JFK - 1962: Branham called Jacqueline Kennedy "Jezebel" and JFK "Ahab" - Used biblical language to brand political opponents as enemies - Created framework where violence against "Jezebel" could be implied through biblical precedent - Quote: "She was fed to the dogs because she wore makeup... The people rose up and they fed her to the dogs" #### ⏱️ The Rally Culture vs Biblical Revival - Collins distinguishes between biblical revival (renewal of worship) and political rallies - "Revival culture" actually means rallies designed to charge audiences against enemies - Events use terms like "rededicate," "jubilee," "solemn assembly" to sound biblical while serving political ends #### ⏱️ Conditioning and Programming - Smith describes IHOP practice of "screaming in tongues for an hour" to achieve "breakthrough" - These practices create conditioned responses that persist after leaving - "Praise him with the bubbles" anecdote illustrates disconnect from reality these practices can create #### ⏱️ The Engine Metaphor - Collins describes Christian nationalism as "one big gear with different cogs" - Individual participants may not understand their role in the larger machine - Cross-pollination between groups makes it appear as separate movements when they're interconnected ## 📚 References - William Branham sermons and recordings (1960s) - The Ramp ministry, Hamilton, Alabama - IHOP KC (International House of Prayer Kansas City) - Elim Association of Churches - Rededicate 250 event footage - America 250 organization ## 🗣️ Paraphrase John Collins and Brantley Smith examine how modern "revival" events function as sophisticated political rallies designed to mobilize Christian nationalist sentiment. Through analysis of the recent "Rededicate 250" event and historical parallels to William Branham's 1960s anti-Kennedy rhetoric, they reveal a consistent pattern where biblical language is used to demonize political opponents and charge audiences toward potential violence. Smith's personal experience of trauma responses while watching Lou Engle illustrates how these events create conditioned bodily reactions that can override critical thinking. The hosts argue that what appears as separate religious movements are actually interconnected "cogs" in a larger political machine that has operated consistently for decades, using religious terminology to disguise fundamentally political objectives. ## 📰 Newsletter 🎙️ **Podcast Alert: The Revival Rally Machine Exposed** Ever wonder why certain "revival" events feel more like political rallies? John Collins and Brantley Smith dive deep into the "Rededicate 250" event in their latest podcast, revealing how biblical language gets weaponized for political mobilization. **Key Takeaways:** - What's called "revival" is often sophisticated political theater - Historical patterns show consistent demonization of political opponents using biblical frameworks - These events create trauma responses that can override critical thinking - Extensive networks connect figures across different "ministries" **For Recovering Evangelicals:** Smith's honest account of experiencing bodily trauma responses while intellectually rejecting the message will resonate with anyone who's left these movements. His insights on nervous system programming offer validation for those still processing their experiences. **Worth Your Time:** This episode provides crucial context for understanding how religious language gets co-opted for political ends. Essential listening for anyone trying to make sense of the intersection between evangelical Christianity and political movements. 🎧 [Listen on their website](https://william-branham.org) | Follow their research for more historical connections and patterns. ## ✅ Action Items #### Community - **Educational Resources**: Create content explaining difference between biblical revival and political rallies for those questioning their experiences - **Support Networks**: Develop resources for people experiencing trauma responses when encountering familiar religious/political content - **Historical Documentation**: Continue documenting connections between religious figures and political movements #### Research and Documentation - **Network Mapping**: Create visual documentation of cross-connections between NAR leaders, IHOP figures, and political operatives - **Historical Analysis**: Research financial flows between religious organizations and political campaigns/events - **Trauma Response Education**: Develop materials explaining how conditioning in religious contexts creates lasting physiological responses ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Religious "revival" events serve primarily as political mobilization tools rather than spiritual renewal - Biblical demonization language creates psychological conditions that can lead to violence against targeted groups - Cross-pollination between religious networks creates appearance of separate movements while serving unified political agenda - Conditioning in charismatic religious contexts creates lasting trauma responses that can be triggered by familiar stimuli - Financial and organizational connections between religious and political entities reveal coordinated efforts rather than organic movements ### 📊 Methodology - **Historical Analysis**: Compare rhetoric and outcomes across different "revival" movements from 1960s to present - **Network Analysis**: Map financial, organizational, and personal connections between key figures - **Psychological Assessment**: Study trauma responses in individuals who've left these movements - **Content Analysis**: Examine language patterns in "revival" events vs political rallies vs biblical revival accounts ### ❓ Questions - How do financial flows connect religious "revival" events to political campaigns? - What psychological mechanisms make biblical demonization rhetoric effective for political mobilization? - Why do trauma responses persist long after individuals intellectually reject these movements? - How do cross-pollinating networks maintain coordination while appearing as separate ministries? - What distinguishes genuine spiritual revival from political rallies using religious terminology? ### 🔮 Future Research - Longitudinal studies of individuals recovering from charismatic/NAR environments - Financial forensics of major "revival" events and their political connections - Comparative analysis of demonization rhetoric across different historical periods - Neurological studies of conditioned responses to religious/political stimuli - Analysis of recruitment and indoctrination techniques across affiliated organizations ### 💡 Implications - **Policy**: Need for clearer distinctions between religious and political activities for tax-exempt organizations - **Education**: Importance of critical thinking skills and media literacy in religious contexts - **Mental Health**: Recognition of religious trauma as legitimate psychological concern requiring specialized treatment - **Security**: Understanding how demonization rhetoric can contribute to political violence - **Democracy**: Implications of using religious authority to influence political outcomes ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment **Reading level**: College level (15-16) - Uses theological terminology, historical analysis, and complex psychological concepts #### 👀 Visual learners - **Present**: Podcast format relies heavily on verbal discussion - **Improve**: Network diagrams showing connections between figures, timelines of events, visual comparisons of rhetoric across eras #### 🔊 Aural learners - **Present**: Podcast format ideal for auditory processing, conversational style - **Improve**: Consider adding background music or sound effects to distinguish different historical periods discussed #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - **Present**: Rich use of examples, analogies (gear/cogs metaphor), personal narratives - **Improve**: Glossary of terms like NAR, IHOP, "revival culture" vs biblical revival #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - **Present**: Personal stories and lived experiences provide concrete examples - **Improve**: Interactive timeline, mapping exercises, role-playing scenarios to understand manipulation techniques #### 🧠 Logical learners - **Present**: Clear cause-and-effect relationships, historical patterns, systematic analysis - **Improve**: Flowcharts showing progression from religious conditioning to political mobilization #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - **Present**: Two-person dialogue format models discussion and analysis - **Improve**: Discussion guides, support group resources, community for those processing similar experiences #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - **Present**: Detailed analysis allows for independent reflection - **Improve**: Reflection prompts, journaling questions for processing personal experiences with these movements #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - **Present**: Limited environmental connections - **Improve**: Analysis of how these movements impact communities, environmental metaphors for healthy vs unhealthy spiritual ecosystems ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - **Present**: Transcript available provides text access to audio content - **Improve**: Structured headings, speaker identification, timestamp navigation #### Contrast and readability - **Present**: Standard podcast format - **Improve**: Ensure any visual materials meet contrast requirements, provide text descriptions #### Media and captions - **Present**: Audio content with transcript - **Improve**: Professional captions with speaker identification, downloadable transcript options ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - **Present**: Focuses primarily on American Christian nationalism - **Improve**: Acknowledge similar patterns in other cultural/religious contexts globally #### Inclusive language - **Present**: Appropriate sensitivity to trauma experiences, avoids inflammatory language - **Improve**: Define insider terminology that may exclude those unfamiliar with charismatic Christianity #### Psychological safety - **Present**: Honest discussion of trauma responses, validation of difficult experiences - **Improve**: Content warnings for those still processing religious trauma, resources for support ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - **Historical Pattern Recognition**: Solid inductive reasoning connecting Branham's 1960s rhetoric to contemporary events at specific timestamps - **Personal Experience Integration**: Effective use of lived experience (Smith's trauma response) as evidence for broader psychological patterns - **Network Analysis**: Strong analogical reasoning using "gear and cogs" metaphor to explain interconnected but seemingly separate organizations #### Fallacies - **Possible Guilt by Association**: Some connections between figures may be coincidental rather than causally significant - suggest strengthening with more direct evidence - **Hasty Generalization**: Claims about "all politics" being about exciting people into movements may be overly broad - could specify particular types of political mobilization #### Tone of voice - **Analytical but accessible**: Collins uses phrases like "I hate to say it" and "it's really scary" showing appropriate concern without sensationalism. Smith balances personal vulnerability with objective analysis, creating credible, empathetic tone. ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis **Not applicable** - The hosts are analyzing DARVO patterns in the movements they critique rather than employing these tactics themselves. They acknowledge their own past involvement and potential biases rather than denying or minimizing concerns. ## 🎯 Conclusion Collins and Smith provide compelling evidence that modern "revival" events function as sophisticated political rallies designed to mobilize Christian nationalist sentiment through biblical language and religious conditioning. Their analysis reveals concerning patterns where political opponents are systematically demonized using biblical frameworks, potentially contributing to violence. The personal dimension Smith adds - experiencing conditioned trauma responses despite intellectual rejection - illustrates the lasting psychological impact of these manipulation techniques. Understanding these patterns is crucial for both those recovering from these movements and those seeking to understand the intersection of religious and political power in contemporary America. ## 🔄 Refactor Appendix — Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine ### 📚 Literature Atoms (H3) #### Revival culture functions as political rallies using religious terminology > [!quote] > "The Bible, when it talks about revival, it's talking about a renewal of your worship to God. It's not talking about a political rally. But every time you see revival, they're throwing underlying themes that either they're outright against the political party or they're building a doctrine that will eventually go towards a political party." **Context & use**: - Core distinction Collins makes between biblical revival and contemporary "revival culture" - Explains how religious terminology masks fundamentally political objectives - Key to understanding how these events function as mobilization tools **Tags**: #xref #articleseed **Highlight**: Podcast discussion around 15-20 minute mark  #### Demonization rhetoric creates framework for implied violence against political opponents > [!quote] > "He's actually branding the first lady as Jezebel and branding Kennedy as Ahab... he starts saying things like, 'She was fed to the dogs because she wore makeup... The people rose up and they fed her to the dogs. They killed her.'" **Context & use**: - Collins explaining William Branham's 1962 rhetoric against the Kennedy administration - Demonstrates how biblical language allows speakers to make violent implications while maintaining plausible deniability - Pattern repeats with contemporary figures like Kamala Harris being called "Jezebel" **Tags**: #xref #addendum **Highlight**: Historical analysis section  #### Religious conditioning creates lasting physiological responses that override critical thinking > [!quote] > "I was feeling my body respond in those familiar patterns... I felt my adrenaline start pumping. I felt chills all over my body like I would whenever before I would say that that was the presence of God... This is a moment that is hijacking my nervous system." **Context & use**: - Smith's description of watching Lou Engle at Rededicate 250 - Illustrates how conditioning in religious contexts creates lasting trauma responses - Explains why people can intellectually reject content while still experiencing bodily reactions **Tags**: #xref #articleseed **Highlight**: Smith's personal reflection on trauma response  ### 🧠 Permanent Candidates (H4) #### Christian nationalism operates as interconnected networks disguised as separate ministries **Claim**: What appears as multiple independent religious movements are actually coordinated components of a larger political machine, with leaders serving as "cogs" in a unified system they may not fully understand. **Evidence pointer**: [[#Revival culture functions as political rallies using religious terminology]] **Scope & conditions**: - Holds when examining financial flows, shared platforms, and cross-pollination between leaders - Breaks when movements maintain genuine theological or operational independence - Most visible during major political mobilization events **Links**: - [[Political rally techniques]] — because applies-in religious contexts - [[Network analysis methodology]] — because evidence-for coordination claims - [[Cult dynamics]] — because extends beyond individual organizations  ### ✏️ Fleeting Queue - Research financial connections between America 250, Sean Foy, and federal funding claims - Investigate Elim Association connections to IHOP leadership pipeline - Document trauma recovery resources for those experiencing conditioned responses ### → Things 3 - [ ] Create resource list for religious trauma recovery focused on nervous system responses #things - [ ] Research Cindy Jacobs family connections Collins mentioned for follow-up episode #things --- ## Full Transcript [00:16] Heat. Heat. [00:31] Hello and welcome to another episode of [00:33] the William Brandham Historical Research [00:35] podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, [00:37] the author and founder of William [00:39] Brandom Historical Research at [00:40] William-Branham.org. [00:42] And with me, I have my co-host and [00:44] friend, Brantley Smith, former member of [00:46] IHOP KC. Brantley, I feel like every [00:49] episode that we have, we're talking [00:51] about the same thing. It's just, you [00:53] know, this is a history that keeps [00:55] repeating itself and repeating itself. [00:57] And I had a person two days ago, I was [01:00] talking to him on the phone. They said, [01:01] "How do you come up with content?" And [01:03] you have to understand if you if your [01:05] history is repeating itself again and [01:07] again, you can almost regurgitate the [01:09] content. So people who think I'm a [01:11] broken record, well, there's there's a [01:14] reason for this. But what you don't know [01:17] is that um just yesterday I was digging [01:19] deeper into Cindy Jacobs which podcast [01:23] going to come out later on this but I [01:25] was looking out on the internet. I was [01:27] trying to find because somebody asked me [01:29] can you create a flowchart of her [01:30] theological history and those don't [01:33] really work well whenever you have a [01:35] history that's regurgitating itself. You [01:38] have people who are cross-pollinating [01:40] ideas and there's just not a direct [01:42] lineage of theology. But I thought I'd [01:45] start with just, okay, who were her [01:47] parents? What church did she go to and [01:49] you do some searches on the web and [01:51] quickly you find that she was a Southern [01:53] Baptist and her mother? [01:55] >> Her mother's name was and it gives the [01:57] name. But then every source that I [02:00] found, every one of them said, "And her [02:03] father was a Baptist minister." Like [02:05] literally, they gave the name of the [02:07] mother and her father was a Baptist min. [02:10] So I'm like, "Huh, wait a minute." and [02:13] start digging into that. [02:14] >> They wouldn't name him. They would just [02:15] give the title Baptist Minister. [02:17] >> If they did, I didn't find it because I [02:20] I found the name. [02:21] >> Yeah. [02:22] >> This one article that gave his the year [02:25] he died. So, I pieced that together. [02:27] Long story short, I I found him as a [02:29] Bible planter or a church planter in [02:32] Texas just like it said in the obit. And [02:35] then I found some stuff and the stuff I [02:38] found ties directly back to my research. [02:41] So, [02:42] >> wow. [02:43] >> It also ties to what we're going to talk [02:45] about today, which is this theme of [02:48] Christian nationalism. And um I I'll [02:51] give my legal disclaimer. I am not [02:53] connecting Cindy Jacobs to Christian [02:55] nationalism with that statement. I'll [02:57] let you draw your own conclusions when [02:59] you watch my podcast. [03:01] But there are how how shall I say it [03:04] legally? There are some coincidences in [03:07] history [03:08] >> that are worth mentioning. And with [03:10] that, I'll let you introduce the [03:11] subject. [03:13] >> Yeah. No, that's fun fact before before [03:16] I go any further is uh one of the [03:18] financial contributors to the Firefly [03:20] investigation uh into IHOP KC was Cindy [03:23] Jacobs. So, we we uh one of my friends [03:27] had a conversation with her and talked [03:28] her into supporting it. And so, um as an [03:31] act of restitution that if she wanted to [03:32] hold these guys accountable, then put [03:34] her money where her mouth is. And that's [03:35] one good thing I can say about Cindy [03:37] Jacobs is that she gave some money [03:38] towards that and helped us get that [03:40] done. Um, so Sunday, this past Sunday [03:44] was the rededicate 250 um, from when [03:47] we're recording this. Um, which was the [03:50] big event on the National Mall in DC. [03:54] Um, where [03:56] I don't even know how to describe who it [03:59] was. I guess it's our government um was [04:02] rededicating the country back to God. Um [04:06] and it was it was very surreal. Um and [04:10] and like you said like this stuff just [04:13] keeping up with current events is [04:14] enough. Like these guys are always doing [04:16] the same stuff. Um [04:20] the the one particular thing that I [04:22] wanted to to start talking about just [04:24] because I think a lot of people will [04:26] relate to this um who are on their [04:29] journeys of recovering from being in [04:31] these environments [04:32] um was was the Lou Engle connection that [04:35] ended up happening. We can talk more [04:37] about that in a second. But Lou for me [04:41] um I I I got connected to Lou before I [04:44] knew about IHOP KC. Um Lou was this [04:47] larger than- life figure who kind of [04:50] moved in and out of or still moves in [04:52] and out of different charismatic um nar [04:55] adjacent spaces for me. Um that the [04:58] place that I got introduced to him at [05:00] was the ramp in Hamilton, Alabama. [05:02] That's uh was led and founded by um the [05:05] old uh I think she did southern gospel [05:07] stuff. I think Karen Weaten u she was a [05:09] singer and she's the one who who founded [05:11] that. It's kind of a youth thing down [05:13] there. And during my youth group days, [05:15] we would take trips down for their [05:16] conferences and um Lou was always one of [05:19] the regular speakers as well as Dutch [05:21] Sheets who also made an appearance [05:23] there. Um and that's honestly through [05:25] that ministry um we prior to that, but [05:29] in conjunction with that ministry, we [05:31] got connected with a worship leader [05:32] named Eddie James, which is how I ended [05:34] up at IHOP. Um and Eddie would do [05:37] worship for Loose Call events and such [05:40] whenever I was in Kansas City. Um, I had [05:44] a couple interactions with Lou. Uh, I [05:46] doubt he would remember who I am. I got [05:48] to play B basketball with him, um, and [05:50] his son in a gym. Uh, most people don't [05:52] know that Lou was a, uh, basketball [05:54] player in college. A little fun fact. [05:57] And he had the scoring record for a long [05:59] time. Um, and his very Lou philosophy [06:02] with basketball was if you're cold, [06:04] shoot until you're hot. And if you're [06:05] hot, shoot until you're cold. And so [06:07] that's the that's the one interaction I [06:09] remember from that shooting basketball [06:10] with him and his son. Um, and so I I sat [06:14] through many of [06:16] solemn assemblies, um, through many [06:19] times of Lou sharing dreams and visions [06:22] and prophecies of his friend, uh, of his [06:25] friends or himself. Um, Lou was always [06:28] talking about the third great awakening [06:30] coming to America. Um, when I was at [06:32] IHOP, it was around the 100th [06:33] anniversary of the Isuza Street stuff, [06:35] so that was always on his mind and [06:37] stuff. He was always talking about um [06:39] the call Jerusalem happened the year um [06:42] that I got to to IHOP with with Mike [06:45] Bickl and Lou and Lou was always at the [06:47] one thing conferences and and I used to [06:49] always tell my friends and laugh about [06:50] it whenever I was deep into it. Um that [06:52] I hated hearing Lou speak cuz every time [06:54] Lou spoke I cried is what ended up [06:56] happening. It it it elicited this [06:58] response from me emotionally. Um, and [07:02] for for me I thought it was this very [07:04] spiritual high um moment and I thought [07:07] that that spoke to um the anointing on [07:11] Lou is the language that I would have [07:12] used at the time. And so Sunday I'm [07:15] watching this and uh I knew that Lou I'd [07:18] seen the program before and I knew that [07:19] Lou had a spot in the program and so I [07:23] I'd kind of watched bits and pieces of [07:24] it here and there and finally found the [07:25] part where he was preceding Lou coming [07:28] on the platform was when actually [07:29] whenever they played the video of our [07:31] president reading the scripture from 2 [07:33] Coronicles. Um, and then there was the [07:35] segment with Lou and Dutch, uh, Sheets [07:38] together, and that was followed by [07:41] directly by Mike Johnson praying the [07:44] prayer to rededicate our country back to [07:46] God, being one nation under God. Um, and [07:50] so as I'm hearing as I'm seeing this [07:53] happen, uh, one one of my friends, [07:55] Susan, um, she she always talks about [07:59] how it's so funny seeing this [08:01] environment that we've like tried so [08:03] hard to leave um, tried so hard to [08:07] detangle from uh, to leave the cult and [08:10] then we open up our eyes, turn on the [08:12] news, and the cult is everywhere still. [08:15] like we we left the Kansas City part, [08:16] but now it's on our TVs like in these [08:19] these same hooligans. Um I'm hearing Lou [08:23] lead this prayer and he's talking about, [08:25] you know, the the [08:28] I can't remember the buzzwords. He [08:29] always uses his buzzwords, the critical [08:31] moment, this juncture in history. You [08:33] know, he's using all these this loaded [08:34] language stuff that he does. But for [08:36] Lou, the thing that I was realizing in [08:38] that moment of him walking up onto that [08:40] platform to lead a prayer at a quote [08:42] unquote solemn assembly of sorts is the [08:44] way he would view it. Um, of a time of [08:47] repentance and reconciliation back to [08:48] God. And that the video before he walks [08:51] on stage is the president. And for for [08:53] Lou, that was huge. And you could see it [08:56] in his excitement and in in the way that [08:59] he responded. and being being around Lou [09:02] as much as I was like I I I [09:05] still don't know to this day if if Lou [09:07] and it's not for me to to judge if if [09:09] Lou is a really sincere guy that [09:11] believes all of this um or if there's [09:13] there's more to the story there. Um, but [09:16] as Lou's given this this call for people [09:19] to repent and turn back and he's talking [09:20] about this moment that we're in and I'm [09:23] sure he probably said something about [09:24] being on the mall in 2000 or something [09:26] and you know he's he's got all these [09:27] moments he refers back to and he leads [09:30] them in this prayer and I I remember [09:32] thinking in my mind like man like I I [09:35] can't believe like I used to be on board [09:36] with this stuff and I'm I'm processing [09:38] it you know just with where I'm at and [09:40] where most people understand me to be. [09:42] But the weird thing that was happening [09:43] was I was feeling my body um respond in [09:46] those familiar patterns that it did in [09:49] in like a worship service or in a solemn [09:51] assembly with Lou. I felt my adrenaline [09:54] start pumping. I felt chills all over my [09:56] body like I would whenever before I [09:58] would say that that was the presence of [09:59] God. Um and I'm feeling all these [10:02] sensations but in my head I'm going okay [10:04] this is not this is not spiritual. This [10:06] is this is a [10:09] moment that is hijacking my nervous [10:10] system. like I was programmed to have [10:14] these dopamine responses to these types [10:16] of things. Um and and I I realized after [10:19] that like how how common of an [10:21] experience that is for us who have left [10:23] those environments that whenever [10:24] something familiar like that um comes up [10:28] although we may intellectually know like [10:31] this is not okay or this is xyz that [10:34] sometimes our bodies don't feel that [10:37] yet. um and that there's that disconnect [10:39] and that's that's a lot of the hard work [10:41] of of recovering from this stuff is [10:44] getting our nervous systems into a place [10:46] where they don't go haywire anymore. But [10:49] um yeah, so I I I wanted to share that [10:52] little bit, but it's the the whole event [10:55] as a whole and the whole weekend as a [10:57] whole. Um there was a precursory event [11:01] the day before led by Sean Foy um and [11:03] the roots of revival um little tour that [11:06] he is on that's sponsored by America 250 [11:09] um that he's most likely getting federal [11:12] funding from. And so these these things [11:15] it it just and I feel like I say this [11:16] every time. This is the part that feels [11:18] like dja vu when we talk about it. It [11:19] just makes my head spin. Like I I don't [11:21] know how [11:23] they keep doing this. That's that's the [11:25] part that that blows my mind. There's so [11:27] much to unpack there. I could actually [11:30] spin off probably 10 different podcasts [11:32] off of just that statement that that you [11:34] went through. All of those things you [11:36] went through. Let's talk about first the [11:38] um the feeling that you had, the [11:40] triggers that you had. There's a reason [11:42] why those triggers triggers exist. And [11:44] that is because the way that this [11:47] movement has been framed and this it's [11:49] called revival culture, but it's not [11:51] really revival like the biblical terms [11:53] of revival. When they're talking about [11:55] revival, they're really talking about [11:57] rally. That's what it means. It's a [11:59] rally. And even the language, they're [12:02] like they're toying with people's [12:03] brains, whether purposefully or by [12:07] accident. Rededicate 250. Great name. [12:10] Sounds like something that's, you know, [12:12] something might be good. But in that [12:14] language, what they're really saying, [12:15] rededicate is revival in their mind [12:17] because it's a rally. They're holding a [12:19] rally. And because they're holding it [12:22] for political parties, it is a political [12:24] rally. There is no two ways about it. [12:27] They yes, they're using the word [12:28] Christian. Yes, they throw out the name [12:30] Jesus here and there, but this is a [12:32] political rally. [12:34] Again, the history keeps repeating [12:36] itself. Whenever you do a political [12:38] rally, what do you do? You charge and [12:41] excite the people and give them an [12:43] ultimatum. It's either now or never. [12:45] It's this candidate or we're going to [12:47] lose. All is lost. All hope is lost. [12:50] It's very black or white. And so like [12:53] when you use the word cult, it isn't so [12:56] much that it's a cult as it is it feels [13:00] like a cult. The dynamics are like a [13:03] cult because all politics is is trying [13:05] to excite people into a movement and [13:07] those movements spin off into cults. Lou [13:09] Engel whether he knows he's part of this [13:12] or not, whether he believes it or not, I [13:14] come to look at it differently. This is [13:16] like a big gear with all of the [13:18] different cogs in the gear. And whenever [13:21] you are part of when you're a cog on [13:24] this big wheel, you don't know that [13:26] you're a cog. You're just part of the [13:27] big wheel. And whenever it seems like [13:30] there are so many different groups out [13:32] there, so many different heads to this [13:35] movement, it's because they're all part [13:36] of that same wheel. And when that [13:38] wheel's spinning, it doesn't matter what [13:40] part hits the political engine, it's [13:42] still going to hit the political engine [13:44] because that's what it is. If you go [13:46] back in time, that's what they were [13:47] doing. And there are series of repeating [13:51] histories. I've talked about a few of [13:53] them. I talked about when FDR got [13:55] elected, you had all of these [13:58] fundamentalist just up in arms because [14:01] they felt like FDR was inviting the [14:04] false Jews into control of the White [14:06] House. We've lost the country. We must [14:08] take it back. Then JFK gets elected. Now [14:12] you've got the Catholics or the So they [14:14] said. They said JFK was working with the [14:16] Catholics. Weird rhetoric rhetoric they [14:18] used. But the thought was Catholics have [14:21] taken control of the White House. We [14:23] must take it back. We must rededicate. [14:26] And maybe that's rededicate 150 or you [14:28] know whatever it is. But it's this [14:30] history that keeps repeating itself. And [14:33] whenever you talk about it, it's really [14:35] odd because it does feel cultish. There [14:38] are people who are, I hate to say it, [14:40] there are people who are brainwashed to [14:42] the ideology. Yeah, [14:43] >> I can talk about something in history [14:47] that is clearly evil. The JFK thing, [14:50] their biggest their biggest push against [14:53] JFK was literally that they were giving [14:56] equal rights to black people. And so you [14:59] had up up in arms their federal [15:02] government is forcing us to give equal [15:05] rights to these people. No, we don't [15:06] want to do that. We want states rights, [15:09] which is it's altogether just it's wrong [15:12] what's happening. But the problem is you [15:16] can talk about that history and then you [15:17] can show the similarities to what's [15:19] happening now. One is truly evil. It's [15:22] everybody would agree it's evil. But if [15:25] you make that connection and say see [15:27] it's the same thing happening here [15:28] today. It's just a different branding [15:30] rebranding. You find all of these people [15:32] who get up in arms saying you're getting [15:34] into politics. You you're you're [15:37] straying from your William Brandham [15:39] religious history, John, but I'm truly [15:41] not. this whole engine that was built, [15:43] it was Christian nationalism from its [15:45] get-go. In fact, if you read my latest [15:47] book, Christ the name the very name [15:50] Christian nationalism was a political [15:52] party that this emerged from. I had no [15:54] idea about that. I I didn't know the [15:56] background there. Yeah, it's it it's a [15:59] machine that keeps rolling and it keeps [16:01] connecting in ways that I don't expect [16:04] it to. Um I didn't know you were going [16:06] to talk about Cindy Jacobs this morning. [16:08] Um, but I I ended up coming across over [16:10] with Cindy Jacobs whenever I was looking [16:12] at [16:14] because it's history repeating itself. [16:16] It's the January I'm going I'm going [16:19] here, John. It was the the January 5th [16:22] before the January 6th stuff that they [16:25] had their their big rally that I think [16:27] it was called the rally for revival or [16:28] something like that. And the very Lou [16:30] connected figure Chayon who was kind of [16:33] his I don't know if he sees him as like [16:35] a spiritual father or brother. I don't [16:37] know how they describe their [16:38] relationship. He's his apostle and he's [16:39] the prophet. I'm not sure how they [16:41] define their relationship, but um but [16:45] they they they wrote this book together [16:47] where they popularized the [16:51] Jezebel Joo kind of uh analogy. I think [16:54] it was called the the call for Elijah [16:56] revolution or something like that's what [16:58] what it was called. and and we see that [17:00] very politically charged language come [17:03] up with Chay January 5th and where he [17:08] talks about casting down Jezebel and Jay [17:11] who's going to kill Jezebel kind of [17:13] thing. Um although they are not [17:16] explicitly [17:18] calling for violence [17:20] um one can't help but imply whenever you [17:23] whenever you look at these stories that [17:26] they're they're very violent stories. um [17:28] specifically this Jezebel Joo one. And [17:31] whenever you start applying that to to [17:33] human beings, um [17:36] that that's a step too far in my in my [17:39] mind. Um a line that shouldn't be [17:41] crossed. But then we fast forward. So So [17:44] that was prior to everybody knows about [17:46] the stop the steel stuff of with J6 and [17:49] and leading up to that. But then even [17:51] this last cycle in October of 24, right [17:56] before the November election, we saw a [17:58] repeat of the same thing with the same [18:00] language with the million women uh [18:03] march, I think it's what they called it, [18:04] uh in DC. And again, it was CH um naming [18:10] uh Vice President Harris and saying that [18:13] she's Jezebel. She needs to be cast down [18:15] and Trump's going to to do what he does [18:18] to her. And [18:21] and then we fast forward to to this [18:23] weekend and and it's the same thing. And [18:25] the the thing that sticks out to me [18:26] about the pattern of it, John, is that [18:28] we're in a moment where public sentiment [18:30] is is very much shifting towards what's [18:33] happening um with the war that's going [18:35] on and these different things. And a [18:38] good way to get that base back because [18:41] factually a big part of his base is this [18:43] this Christian voting block who thinks [18:45] this way. I I can't help but think that [18:48] it's it's narrative control. It's it's a [18:50] way to steer the people. Um that that I [18:53] think that they were the ones who [18:55] convinced people that the election was [18:56] stolen to begin with. Like I think that [18:58] they were a big piece of that and now [19:00] for them to come in have Trump read a [19:02] scripture and it was so awkward. I don't [19:04] know if you watched it but he he read [19:06] the you know if my people will call by [19:07] my name will humble themselves and pray. [19:09] But then he he keeps going on past that [19:11] and starts reading off the curses that [19:13] are going to happen if people don't do [19:15] it. And we we talk about this often [19:18] about like the the coded language that [19:19] gets thrown into these things and seeped [19:21] in and you can't help but see it as like [19:23] veiled threats almost is how it feels at [19:26] times. It's like if you don't get in [19:27] line, this is what's going to happen. Um [19:31] and I was looking at all seeing that [19:32] pattern of of these three different [19:34] events that have happened that that are [19:36] very similar in in what they did and [19:38] what they accomplished. But um [19:40] >> let me read you a quote. This is 1962. [19:43] Kennedy's in office. Jacqueline Kennedy [19:45] is the first lady. Brandom starts saying [19:48] things like this. I saw a boy in [19:50] Cincinnati yesterday. He looked like [19:53] Miss Kennedy. And then he goes on this [19:54] rant of how he looks and says, I tell [19:56] you, it's this Jezebel system of devils. [19:59] It's got the whole world in corruption. [20:02] And that was not the first time he used [20:04] Jezebel in that way. But from there, he [20:08] got more aggressive with it. and he [20:10] started symbolizing [20:12] Jezebel with the first lady and Ahab [20:16] with President JFK. [20:18] Now what this does, people who are [20:20] sitting without their critical thinking [20:22] on, they hear those names and those are [20:25] biblical names. You can preach a sermon [20:26] about it, but think about what he's [20:29] doing. He's actually branding the first [20:30] lady as Jezebel and branding Kennedy as [20:34] Ahab. Now, everything he says in the [20:36] future about Ahab and about Jezebel, [20:39] he's actually referring to them. They [20:41] know he is, but he can say whatever he [20:43] wants. And he starts saying things like, [20:45] "She was fed to the dogs because she [20:47] wore makeup and because she was part of [20:50] this system of actually he didn't talk [20:52] about the system of idolatry, which was [20:54] the worst thing than the makeup, but [20:56] because she was part of the devil's [20:57] system, he would say they fed her to the [21:00] dogs. The people rose up and they fed [21:02] her to the dogs. They killed her." [21:04] He's saying that to a crowd of people [21:05] that he has just convinced Jacqueline [21:07] Kennedy was Jezebel that we should [21:10] actually kill this person. Right now, he [21:13] didn't come out and say we should go [21:14] kill Jacqueline. But when you do this, [21:18] it's kind of a it's a technique where [21:20] you can program a mind to be so [21:22] violently against something that if you [21:25] have any mental health issues [21:26] whatsoever, there are people who might [21:29] try this. And who knows what happened, [21:31] what was going through Oswald's head. [21:33] There is some weirdness, as I mentioned, [21:36] with the revival themes. So, Brandham's [21:40] part of this revival. Gordon Lindsay is [21:42] leading the revival. He's there in [21:43] Dallas. He's there in Dallas, and Dallas [21:46] is where Sydney Jacob moved after she [21:49] got married. You can almost go down the [21:51] line of all these these figures that are [21:53] really connected to this type of [21:55] ideology. [21:56] And I know people get angry because I I [22:00] started with the research into the clan [22:02] talking about William Brandham's mentor. [22:04] He was the second in command [22:06] >> in Dallas. He was the he was the [22:08] kingpin. He was the wizard in Dallas at [22:10] that same time. So as Brandham's coming [22:13] out with this, you have the white [22:14] supremacy groups li rising up. It's all [22:18] working like one big finely tuned [22:21] engine. It doesn't mean that everybody's [22:23] involved with white supremacy, but there [22:26] is an alignment in the Christian [22:28] nationalism. And I think that's the key [22:30] that people need to understand. This was [22:32] a breeding ground for people to take [22:36] Bible themes, point them at political [22:38] enemies, and then charge the public to [22:41] be so violently against the political [22:43] enemies that they would throw around [22:46] terms like he he started calling her dog [22:48] meat. And so this became this weird [22:50] thing. I I grew up listening to sermons [22:52] about how Jacqueline Kennedy was dog [22:55] meat and just excited about that as a [22:58] kid, not knowing that it's part of this [22:59] political rally. So, I've come to the [23:02] terms with this. The Bible, when it [23:04] talks about revival, it's talking about [23:06] a renewal of your worship to God. It's [23:10] not talking about a political rally. But [23:12] every time you see revival, they're [23:15] throwing underlying themes that either [23:18] they're outright against the political [23:19] party or they're building a doctrine [23:21] that will eventually go towards a [23:23] political party. It's one of the two. [23:25] >> And that's really what's happening here. [23:27] So whenever I see I mean look at the [23:29] list of places that Luingle goes [23:31] whenever he holds these rallies and [23:34] calling them revivals. I I just I can't [23:37] imagine it for any other purpose. If [23:39] you're going to go to Washington DC, if [23:42] you're going to hold a rally, if you're [23:43] going to go to some senator, what [23:45] whatever it is, we just had um we just [23:48] had Hegsath come down to Kentucky to [23:52] which is so odd and out of place, but [23:55] because one of the uh there's a senator, [23:58] I think it was really strongly against [24:01] the um how do I say this cleanly for [24:05] YouTube? really strongly against um [24:08] people who are misusing women and there [24:12] might have been an island involved with [24:14] this because that was said the president [24:18] started fighting a campaign against a [24:22] Republican who's you know in a state [24:24] level this is almost unheard of you it [24:27] actually violates I think some political [24:29] policies to do this kind of thing so [24:31] it's all connected in this big wheel and [24:34] they're all just moving and flowing and [24:37] and moving this engine in a direction [24:39] that goes further and further towards [24:41] what we saw happen in the 1960s. And for [24:44] me, it's really scary like me to even [24:46] say that on the podcast. I'm I'm certain [24:50] that they have tools that are going [24:51] through finding all the people saying [24:52] things and it almost turns into uh [24:55] >> 84. [24:56] >> It's almost like the book 1984. [24:57] >> Are you ready, John? I'm I'm I'm [24:59] bolstering your prophetic history here. [25:03] >> Oh, wow. I had a copy of it right here [25:04] on my desk. I tried reading it. I can't [25:06] get into it. But [25:06] >> I've got a digital copy, but it's not as [25:08] cool. [25:09] >> Okay. [25:10] >> It's Yeah, it [25:13] did. Did Did I hear you right when you [25:14] said that quote that he saw a boy and [25:16] looked like Jacqueline Kennedy? [25:18] >> Yes. So, that was one of the things that [25:19] was flowing through the movement. There [25:21] was this term that they use called [25:23] bobbed hair. [25:25] And what they wanted to do, [25:27] it goes deeper than this, but [25:29] >> I'm curious about this. you're getting [25:30] close to my roots because I was hearing [25:32] this kind of language in our independent [25:33] Pentecostal circles. My granddad had a [25:35] letter written about him because he had [25:37] uh hair past his ears and they passed it [25:39] around to all the area ministers [25:41] rebuking my granddad for having long [25:43] hair like the Beatles. Yeah. So, we [25:45] walking into the Brandom Tabernacle. [25:48] Here I am. This is the year we left in [25:51] 2012. So, 2011. I'm walking into the [25:54] Brandom Tabernacle, my grandfather's [25:56] church. When you walk in and you turn [25:58] left, there's a bulletin board. On the [26:00] bulletin board was a actual photograph [26:03] of the Beatles and showed their [26:05] hairstyles with big circles around them [26:07] that William Brandham had drawn. [26:09] Christian men do not have their hair [26:11] like this. And I remember thinking at [26:14] the time, there's not really a single [26:17] person in here that wants their hair to [26:18] look like the Beatles. It's just not the [26:20] way things are today. But now, you know, [26:24] things have changed since 2012. I guess [26:26] maybe the hairstyle's coming back. But [26:28] the bottom line is this. There is a long [26:30] history about men's hair that gets a [26:34] little odd when you think through it [26:36] because think of the Amish. The Amish [26:38] actually have hair that are like the [26:39] Beatles because they it's almost like [26:40] they put a bowl over their head and cut [26:42] it, right? So to them, to the Amish, [26:45] it's not bad hair. To the Pentecostals, [26:48] they actually respect the Amish ways of [26:51] dress. So they're okay with it. But if a [26:54] Pentecostal did that, they'd be they'd [26:56] be kicked out of church. Man, it gets [26:58] really odd when you think about it. But [27:00] what happened during this rally culture, [27:03] I'm not even going to use the word [27:05] revival. During this rally culture, [27:07] there were so many people who were [27:11] aligned with that type of hairstyle, [27:15] hairstyle, dress code, etc. who were [27:18] supportive of Kennedy that it was very [27:20] easy to brand somebody just how they [27:22] look as being part of the enemy. So if [27:25] you gave them a vis a visual cue this is [27:28] this is how the enemy looks and we look [27:30] different than this. Now you've divided [27:32] the people just visibly they can walk in [27:34] the mall and see a difference. So part [27:36] of it was that part of it was just [27:38] simply the Pentecostals had some weird [27:40] weird views that are a little bit [27:43] conflicting. I'll say it like that. But [27:45] it all goes back to this. They were [27:47] charging a people, uniting a people [27:50] against a common threat. And the common [27:52] threat was a political party, not a [27:54] demon, not Satan, not sin. It was [27:57] literally politics. I just want to I [27:59] mean, I'm sure people are getting from [28:00] our inference, but it it reminds me of [28:03] the rhetoric towards trans people now is [28:05] is what it reminds me of. Um, you can [28:08] have your opinions about that, think [28:09] what you want about that, but to to [28:10] paint that enemy. Um, and what's so [28:13] funny is that it's such a small [28:14] percentage of society that def that [28:17] identifies that way, but we act like [28:19] they're the ones who are about to blow [28:20] up the world when it's it's kind of the [28:22] other way around. The the thing that [28:24] came to mind when you were talking about [28:25] them getting us charged towards certain [28:28] issues, I had a memory come back of [28:32] I can't remember the exact location, but [28:34] you know, the pro-life thing has always [28:35] been kind of lose um calling card and he [28:39] had his uh bound for life organization. [28:43] um had the the J-Hop, the Justice House [28:45] of Prayer that was based in DC. Um where [28:48] they would stand on the Supreme Court [28:49] steps with life tape over their mouth [28:51] for the uh overturning of Roie Wade, [28:53] which is unfortunately I guess they've [28:56] seen the answer to their prayers. Um [28:59] during that time, during the heyday of [29:01] it, this would probably been 2008 to [29:03] 2010, sometime in that time, there was a [29:06] doctor who who uh did these did these uh [29:10] what would you call it? uh procedures um [29:13] uh for women and [29:17] one of them was attacked um and and [29:21] taken out and I I remember I I can't [29:25] remember verbatim what Lou said in those [29:28] moments following that. Um but there was [29:30] very much this implic imp implication of [29:33] see this is what happens God will get [29:36] justice and this is what will happen to [29:38] the evildoers. Um and and it was very [29:41] much that that kind of thing that was [29:42] painted. Um did you see yesterday um the [29:48] vice president's comments [29:50] um around I I guess they had a rally in [29:53] in the UK. I think it was called Unite [29:56] the Kingdom and I think it was kind of a [29:58] counter to the No Kings kind of stuff if [30:01] if I'm not mistaken. and and the press [30:04] had asked him about it and if he [30:07] supported it and and what he thought [30:09] because it was very anti-immigration. [30:12] Um, [30:14] the thing that shocked me, John, was [30:17] for me with where I'm at now, what [30:19] seemed to be very blatant, outright, [30:24] discriminatory language that was used um [30:27] to the point that he he named certain [30:30] segments of people and and called them [30:33] that they tend to be poor is what he [30:35] said. that these certain classes of [30:37] people um and how we don't want the [30:40] immigrants taking the jobs from these [30:42] people and these classes because they're [30:46] our people. Um but there was very much [30:48] this this under uh current that you're [30:51] very familiar with where they talk about [30:52] our culture. They don't want our culture [30:54] to get taken away. All these people [30:56] coming in, we're going to lose our [30:57] culture. They're going to take it away. [30:58] They're taking all our jobs. It's very [31:00] much this like fear-mongering thing. And [31:03] it it's just astounding to me that that [31:06] thread is still the same. Um that that [31:09] the work that you've been do like we're [31:11] back we're we've done the full circle [31:13] and like we're back there again. Like we [31:16] thought that that was behind us in [31:18] history but yet we see people still just [31:19] trying to peel it back to where to where [31:21] it was. Um it it doesn't make any sense [31:24] to me. [31:26] Have you ever wondered how the [31:28] Pentecostal movement started? Or how the [31:30] progression of modern Pentecostalism [31:32] transitioned through the latter reign, [31:34] charismatic and other fringe movements [31:37] into the new apostolic reformation? 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I was in the cult me mentality. I [32:32] was one of the few lucky ones that got [32:34] to go to public school and my parents [32:38] would let me go to public school all the [32:40] way up into high school. And so here I [32:42] am in high school kind of a loner [32:45] because I'm listening to these [32:46] recordings of this dead preacher from [32:48] 1965, right? And I'm walking to classes [32:52] with my Walkman on listening to what [32:55] clearly would have sounded like Hitler [32:58] screaming in my ears to people who [33:00] weren't listening to what I was hearing. [33:01] That's what it sounded like. Right? So [33:03] I'm kind of a freak just to simply put [33:06] it. I'm alone in my mind as compared to [33:11] the rest of the school. So out of all of [33:12] the school population, it was like me [33:14] versus everybody. That's that's the [33:16] feeling that I felt when I was in it. [33:20] It didn't stop me in the slightest in my [33:22] faith because I was dedicated. I was [33:24] devoted. I didn't care if the whole [33:27] world was against me and if I was the [33:28] only one, I was going to make it to [33:30] heaven. And whether they did or not, [33:33] that was that was up to them. But I was [33:35] going to be the one to make it. Yeah, [33:37] >> that was the mentality that I had. And [33:40] after I left that mentality, I started [33:42] thinking about it. We were given that [33:44] mentality that it doesn't matter what [33:47] the world does because we're not part of [33:48] this world, but yet we're going to fight [33:51] to make sure it's part of us. And they [33:54] would do things like um well, the the [33:57] national slogan, one nation under God. [34:00] That just simply means that we're one of [34:02] many nations who's under God, right? [34:06] we would change it to one nation to God. [34:09] In other words, we need to bring the [34:10] nation back to God. And so, you've got [34:12] this competing thing happening in your [34:14] mind where, well, I'm not one in a [34:16] million and the rest of rest of these [34:18] people are lost. But on the other hand, [34:20] I need to forcibly make them not lost. [34:22] And how do you reconcile this? Because [34:24] you can't. if if they're lost forever [34:27] and you're part of the elite group [34:29] that's going to make it, you have to [34:31] believe that the the rest who aren't [34:33] part of the elite group, they're not [34:34] going to make it. But yet, we had this [34:37] conundrum. Fast forward to today's [34:39] world. All of this that has been built [34:41] on top of brandism. They have maybe not [34:45] to the same extent, but they have the [34:47] same type of mindset. [34:50] Mike Pickled, Kansas City Prophets, all [34:52] of these guys saying that if you're part [34:53] of this group, we're going to basically [34:56] we're going to establish the kingdom [34:58] through this prayer and fasting. We're [34:59] we're going to be the ones who converts [35:01] everybody. And then they invite people [35:04] who hold political rallies that are [35:06] literally saying, "We need to forcibly [35:08] take it back." So, you can't really have [35:11] both, but they have competing interests. [35:14] And the reason for that is there are two [35:16] counterparts to it. There's the one [35:18] counterpart which is the church where [35:20] you're indoctrinating the people. The [35:22] people get very I don't know they get [35:24] very broken where they can't critically [35:26] think. Once they can't critically think [35:28] and they attend a rally now every single [35:31] thing that is said religiously in that [35:33] rally they're going to instantly pick it [35:35] up. It doesn't matter if it's right or [35:37] wrong. It doesn't matter if even if it's [35:39] ethical they're going to pick it up. and [35:41] they don't critically think about things [35:43] like you mentioned the the example of [35:46] the very heated political issues around [35:48] gender right now. They don't really stop [35:51] to think that yes, it is it's a [35:52] minority. It's not like they're trying [35:54] to take over the country. But when they [35:55] hear the political rally that these [35:57] people are taking over the country, I [36:00] just it blows your mind when you think [36:01] about it. But I understand how it all [36:03] works. It's one finely tuned engine. The [36:06] church is just one piece of that engine. [36:08] >> Yeah. and the story the stories that get [36:10] told like it feeds into the grandiosity [36:13] of it all. And [36:15] I think people are talking more and more [36:17] of like the the narcissistic traits that [36:19] happen within Christianity with leaders [36:21] and even with individuals just because [36:23] everything is so individualized. [36:25] And I I I remember [36:29] like I remember Lou saying things, this [36:32] isn't a direct quote, but but I remember [36:34] him and Mike alluding to things like the [36:37] house of prayer, like there would be a [36:38] house of prayer in the White House type [36:40] thing. Like this was going to be like [36:42] the governmental thing and and it made [36:44] us the heroes of the story is what it [36:47] did. Um, I remember being in IHOPU that [36:50] I don't think I've really talked about [36:51] this surprisingly, but in IHOPU they [36:54] would talk about how we had job security [36:56] like with what we were we were going [36:58] into because there was going to be [37:00] houses of prayer all over the nation and [37:02] that it was going to become a [37:03] governmental type thing and that we were [37:05] going to like along with that you you [37:07] had this implied feeling of there was [37:09] going to be influence and power and and [37:11] all these different things and and so [37:13] this grandiosity kind of fed into it and [37:16] very similar to um what I see with with [37:20] like colonialism and like this um [37:24] expedition like let's go into the great [37:27] unknown and discover and pioneer like it [37:29] was making the making ourselves the [37:31] heroes of the story so that we couldn't [37:34] see our own shortcomings I think because [37:36] that's the thing that you have to [37:37] overcome is realize that you're you're [37:40] not the hero that you think you are um [37:44] and I very much relate to your listening [37:46] to tapes in school because that the [37:48] memory that came to mind as soon as you [37:50] said that was I was sitting in Spanish [37:52] class and I had a book written by [37:55] Francis Franapan [37:57] and I think it was called this day we [37:59] fight is what it was called. I can't [38:01] even remember the content of the book [38:03] but I can imagine by the title this day [38:04] we fight that it was you know probably [38:07] charged. Um, and I remember my Spanish [38:09] teacher coming up and grabbing the book [38:11] and looking at it and kind of looking at [38:13] me and she's like, "What is this?" [38:16] And but for me, I wore that like a badge [38:19] of honor. Like it was the, you know, I [38:22] wanted to be ridiculed. I wanted to be [38:23] the Jesus freak. Like all this stuff was [38:25] like marketed to us like with with the [38:27] Fox's book of martyrs and uh even like [38:29] the history maker language was big for [38:31] us. And um you know for with Lou he [38:35] would have said something like for such [38:36] a time as this you know and and go the [38:38] Esther route. And um the the other the [38:43] other memory I had come to mind this [38:45] week. Um I I think this was probably a [38:47] little over a year ago that I heard Mike [38:50] Johnson given some statements in the [38:52] chamber and I can't remember the broader [38:54] context of it. um because I had to be [38:57] watching it because of some political [38:59] event going on and Mike Johnson makes a [39:03] statement about I guess over one of the [39:04] doorways in the chambers there the house [39:06] is that um there's the the one nation [39:09] under God written over the door doorway [39:11] and of course he goes to the communism [39:15] kind of route and I heard him bring it [39:16] up on Sunday too and um and he boldly [39:20] declares there in the chambers in front [39:22] of everyone we have to remember that [39:23] we're one nation under God and that the [39:26] only thing that makes us different than [39:27] the communist is that we have a god. And [39:30] it it was this positioning again. And um [39:34] and I see that in small ways in [39:39] I think people in my age group are [39:42] moving away from that like from like as [39:44] far as like a national identity kind of [39:46] thing. But I see that with with older [39:48] folks and the story that they believe [39:50] the stories they believe about our [39:51] country which I'm grateful for our [39:53] country. I am. but that it's very um [39:57] rosecolored glasses, I guess, and and [39:59] that it was that we are better than the [40:01] communist, you know, the very much the [40:03] red scare stuff. But it it it made this [40:06] positioning of of like a heroism again, [40:09] that we're the heroes, we're the good [40:10] guys. Um and it makes it near impossible [40:16] um to see the shortcomings of the [40:18] movement. And I think that's why it [40:19] takes crisis or um something significant [40:23] for people to be able to wake up and and [40:25] see it for what it was. It's ironic that [40:28] we're talking about this because that [40:29] was 2020 for me like leading up to the [40:31] January s like that's what was that woke [40:33] me up was was seeing all of that stuff [40:35] play out in front of me. Um and and [40:38] remember getting off the plane on on [40:39] January 6 we're flying to Idaho. I [40:41] remember read popping it open and [40:43] reading the headline and just shaking my [40:45] head like it just didn't seem real. [40:48] didn't seem real. [40:49] >> You're talking about reading that book [40:50] and it reminded me when you're in this [40:52] type of mentality, you don't really [40:54] think of what the world around you [40:56] thinks when they see the things that [40:58] you're reading or listening to. And I [41:01] I'll embarrass the family member who did [41:03] this, but when my when my brother was [41:06] being born in the hospital room, my [41:09] father was reading this book by William [41:11] Brandham called Demonology. [41:13] So, you know, and that's the precursor [41:16] to all of this deliverance stuff that [41:17] you see today. People don't recognize [41:19] that, but he was reading demonology. And [41:22] I can just imagine now that I know this. [41:24] I was too young to really pay attention, [41:26] but now that I know this, I'm picturing [41:28] the nurse walking in and seeing this [41:30] thing. Oh my gosh, is that Rosemary's [41:32] baby over there? [41:34] What in the world? But that's the [41:36] mentality that we took, you know, and um [41:39] people don't realize how much that [41:41] influences you when you think that [41:43] you're in a world of angels and demons [41:46] and that people themselves are demons [41:49] out to get you. You mentioned communist. [41:51] I grew up with the same communist [41:53] rhetoric. Every communist out there is [41:55] an atheist. They're out to get us. [41:57] They're the enemy. It's literally us [41:58] versus them. I was so shocked the first [42:01] time I met a Christian communist. really [42:04] was. I was like, "Wait a minute. That [42:07] that can't be that can't." And so I had [42:09] to go off into a study, you know, rabbit [42:12] trail of studying communist. What is it? [42:14] What? And there are a lot of communists [42:16] who are atheists and there are regimes [42:18] that push atheism, right? But the uh the [42:21] original idea wasn't so much that it was [42:23] that social the social orders controls [42:27] the destiny of the country more than the [42:29] divine order. That's it. It kind of [42:31] defies some Christian fundamentals, but [42:34] there are Christians within communism [42:36] and there in fact in Russia there have [42:39] been for decades the Orthodox Christian [42:41] churches. So we were charged against [42:44] people. We were taught that they were [42:46] demons. They were demonized I should [42:48] say. And now combine that mentality. [42:52] That's what we learned on the church [42:54] side. Now take that back to the rally [42:56] side after you've been told that all of [42:58] these people have have demons in them. [43:00] They're in the demon agenda. They're [43:02] Satan and his demons wanting to get [43:03] policy acts into the White House, [43:06] whatever it is. Well, you start to see [43:08] this world very differently in the [43:10] political rally that they're calling [43:11] revival. You start to see every single [43:14] person as literally the face of a demon [43:17] coming to get you and you get really [43:19] angry and people do some really stupid [43:21] stuff because they have taken that [43:23] mentality. [43:24] Fortunately, there are a large number of [43:26] people who don't have mental health [43:28] issues in these movements, but there's [43:31] also a percentage that do. And that's [43:33] really for me, that's the scariest part [43:35] because if you're telling people that's [43:37] your enemy, that's the devil in inside [43:40] this person is this demon that's out to [43:42] get you, eventually somebody's going to [43:44] crack. And that's really really scary. [43:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I see I've see it [43:49] frequently and and saw it recently. I [43:52] won't look at too much details, but of [43:55] people in charismatic spaces that that [43:57] they just get themselves worked up into [43:59] a frenzy. [44:00] Um, and I think it's very mental health [44:03] related because I see the the guilt and [44:06] the different things that they [44:09] handle. I'm trying not to give too much [44:11] away from conversations, but I I see how [44:13] they balance all these internal [44:14] struggles and such that are happening [44:17] and then they whip themselves up into [44:18] such a frenzy [44:20] um to get their adrenaline pumping and [44:22] such just to be able to get that that [44:24] moment of just like cathartic release I [44:26] guess of like a ecstatic dance type [44:29] thing of just like [44:31] um and and it's heartbreaking um to see [44:35] people have to jump through those hoops [44:36] to feel okay about themselves or to feel [44:38] like that God is okay with them. Um it's [44:41] it's not a uh a worldview that I ever [44:45] want to ascribe to again. Um [44:48] and so those those things are those [44:50] things are difficult and and seeing how [44:52] it affects people's minds. Me and my [44:54] wife and I may have shared this story [44:56] went to a charismatic worship gathering [44:59] uh I guess it was a little over a year [45:00] ago and I was kind of going through uh I [45:02] think I told you a little bit about [45:03] this. It was kind of like exposure [45:05] therapy for me. I was going and I was [45:07] kind of enjoying it, but I I still to [45:09] this day don't know why I was enjoying [45:11] it. I think it was just the nervous [45:12] system programming and I think something [45:14] about it felt good. Uh but we see this [45:16] lady whipping herself up into a frenzy [45:19] and uh the thing that that kind of was [45:22] the cue is she she broke out a thing of [45:24] bubbles. John, this charismatic work [45:26] together. I'd never seen this before. [45:28] She whips out thing like almost like one [45:29] of those wedding favor little bottles of [45:31] of bubbles. She whips it out, takes the [45:33] cap off, and it's going blowing it [45:34] around while everybody's worshiping or [45:36] whatever. And [45:39] and this lady's probably she's probably [45:40] 50 years old, I bet. She's got blonde [45:42] hair, like a pleasant looking lady. And [45:45] she she walks up to this older lady [45:47] standing in front of us who is in her [45:48] 80s probably. And she walks up to her [45:51] and she hands her the little violet [45:52] bubbles and she goes, "Praise him with [45:54] the bubbles. Praise him with the [45:56] bubbles." I just me I don't know how me [45:59] and my wife kept it together. And it was [46:00] funny. There was a visiting pastor that [46:02] was there. It was like for some kind of [46:03] special event. There was a a pastor from [46:05] the city sitting behind us and him and [46:07] his wife both like lost it. Like I think [46:09] they were charismatic too, but they saw [46:11] how ridiculous it was. And then later [46:14] this lady ends up grabbing the [46:15] microphone. They're having like a little [46:16] prayer time in the altar and she just [46:18] starts screaming in the mic, JC is in [46:21] the house. JC is in the house. And so [46:25] like I I laugh about it, but it's also [46:28] very sad. Um, but but I I think I told [46:31] my wife that night, I was like, you [46:32] know, like if if people are are are [46:35] happy, like, who am I to judge that? [46:37] Like, if they're having a good time, [46:38] they're enjoying themselves, they're not [46:39] hurting anybody. But at the same time, [46:41] you see how far detached from like [46:44] reality that people get. Um, and I think [46:47] that that this ideology encourages that [46:49] sometimes. Like that's what we did to [46:51] ourselves in the prayer room was like [46:53] the language we use when we would always [46:55] talk about being in a funk. And we got [46:56] to get ourselves out of the funk. Thank [46:58] you, Corey Russell, for for that. And [47:01] and what we would do to get out of a [47:02] funk is we would scream in tongues for [47:05] an hour. Like that's what we would do. [47:06] We would get in a side room in the [47:07] prayer room and we would scream in [47:09] tonesues until we felt like pretty much [47:12] our body chemistry changed. Like we felt [47:14] like the dopamine hit. We felt the [47:15] adrenaline rush. We felt this. And that [47:17] just meant, you know, we got our [47:18] breakthrough. We got through the funk [47:19] and got breakthrough in the spirit, the [47:21] breaker anointing, all that stuff. [47:24] >> So, um I don't know how I got there, but [47:27] >> yeah. Oh, we're talking about mental [47:28] health is what it was. [47:30] >> The bubbles is the polar opposite [47:32] extreme of somebody who puts the [47:33] Alka-Seltzler in their mouth and goes [47:35] into the baptismal. [47:38] Both serve the same purpose, but one is [47:39] accepted and one is not in this [47:41] movement. You know, they have framed it [47:44] that this is a biblical move of God. [47:48] This is a revival. They're pushing it as [47:50] a revival. It's a rally, but they're [47:53] adding words and terms to it to make it [47:57] sound more biblical, but yet the words [47:59] and terms are so far off the mark. [48:01] Jubilee. That's one of the things that [48:03] they'll often we're going to have a [48:04] jubilee at our political. [48:06] >> That's what Lou called it. That's what [48:07] Lou called it. He said this was [48:08] America's jubilee. That's what he said. [48:10] >> I'll never forget the surprise whenever [48:13] I was able to critically think and I [48:15] stopped and thought about the tithing [48:17] system in Pentecostalism. [48:19] And this goes beyond Pentecostalism, but [48:22] everybody's giving 10%. And in [48:24] Brandomism, it was one step further. You [48:26] gave 10% before they took your tax out. [48:30] So you give just a little bit more. [48:33] >> But when I could critically think, I [48:35] stopped and did the math. Every 10th [48:37] person is a salary, man. Yeah. [48:39] >> So this this minister's just raking in [48:42] the money. And then when I started [48:44] reading reading the tithing system, it [48:46] was more like a banking system. I think [48:47] you and I have talked about this. You [48:49] gave some money in, but every seventh [48:51] day nobody worked and they took things [48:54] out. And when I said give money in, I'm [48:56] speaking loosely because they were [48:57] giving goats. And I would I would just [49:00] love for some Pentecostal dude to walk [49:01] into church with a goat and say, "Here [49:03] pastor, [49:04] >> a bag of grain." [49:05] >> Bag of grain. But but that was that was [49:08] what it was. It was so that the people [49:10] had enough in times whenever they could [49:12] take a rest. And then after on the 49th [49:16] year was the year of the Jubilee. So for [49:18] 2 years they partied and they partied [49:21] well on their own dime that they had [49:23] given the priest. So there's a couple [49:25] problems here. Number one, these [49:27] preachers aren't priests. They're not [49:29] the high priest. They're not the one who [49:30] controls the money in the first place. [49:32] Number two, on the year of Jubilee, they [49:34] gave all the money back. So, if this [49:36] were to be a true jubilee instead of a [49:38] political rally, everybody who attends [49:41] should be given money because they've [49:42] given so much money in, but they're not [49:45] doing this. They're not giving your [49:46] money back. If you ever go to a call [49:49] event or a one thing event, one of these [49:51] big rallies as we'll call it, uh there's [49:54] always a big offering moment. It's it's [49:56] not for the people that are getting [49:58] something. It's because they have spent [49:59] millions of dollars usually on doing [50:01] this event and are in the hole. Um, and [50:04] I've I've heard stories of those bills [50:05] not being paid and all kinds of stuff in [50:08] these these crusades, but yeah, it's [50:10] it's very very backwards. Um, and and [50:13] and I don't know, you know, what's going [50:15] to happen with all of it. There there [50:17] was one connection I wanted to ask you [50:18] about um before we wrap up if if you had [50:21] any comments on because I feel like I've [50:22] heard you reference this group segment [50:26] before, but that I know and the reason I [50:28] bring it up is because there's a handful [50:30] of IHOP leaders that have connections to [50:32] these people um that come directly from [50:34] that space and even some worship leaders [50:36] um from upstate New York. There's the [50:38] Elim Association of Churches and and [50:41] that's where Lou came from. Um was from [50:44] that Elim stuff and then um people who [50:47] are familiar with IHOP KC that's where [50:48] Dave Siker came from. It's where Bob [50:50] Sorgi came from. Um and some other [50:53] people that I won't name because they're [50:54] kind of kind of out and on our side now, [50:56] but some worship people. Um, and I'm [51:01] curious if if you know what those [51:02] connections are and cuz I'm I'm curious [51:05] how Lou even fits into all this, how he [51:07] met Mike. It's it's just a weird thing [51:09] when you look at it all. But yeah, like [51:11] I said with Cindy Jacobs, when you try [51:13] to paint a diagram and draw nice little [51:16] neat arrows of lines of influence, it's [51:19] really better if you want to fully do it [51:21] accurately, you take a paint gun and you [51:23] just splatter the paint everywhere. [51:25] That's that's how this crosspollination [51:27] works. However, Elilum is connected and [51:29] I have mentioned it a few time. In fact, [51:31] there's a there's a lady who comes on my [51:33] podcast from time to time who came out [51:35] of Elum. [51:36] >> Okay, [51:37] >> they they were deeply connected into the [51:39] healing revival and you have to [51:40] understand that there are multiple elims [51:43] and they're not they're loosely [51:45] connected. They're not all the same [51:46] thing, but Elum elum as a movement I [51:49] think started in the UK if I remember [51:50] correctly. But in my research, I was [51:53] studying the Elum connections to the [51:56] original Latin, the Sharon orphanage, [51:58] all of this. There were some deep [52:00] connections. And she went a little bit [52:03] further. She said that while much of the [52:06] Latin stuff was denounced, they're [52:09] having people like Lou Engle who are [52:11] coming to their revivals. Sean Fu came [52:13] to one of their recent revivals. So, [52:16] they're participating still. And it's [52:20] just like I said, if you look at it as a [52:22] as a gear that's moving an engine, [52:25] you've got all of these teeth that are [52:26] on that gear. The teeth don't really [52:28] know all of the other teeth that are [52:30] involved, but they're still spinning [52:31] that same engine. And Elim is one piece [52:34] of this. IHOP KC is one piece. Bethl is [52:37] one piece. That engine sadly is [52:40] politics. That's really what this is [52:41] trying to turn. [52:42] >> Yeah. As Leonard Skard says, big wheels [52:45] keep on turning. [52:47] I was thinking the same thing. You said [52:49] it earlier and I missed it. You said big [52:51] wheels. Uh the the thing I would ask [52:54] about the Cindy Jacobs crossover. Do do [52:55] you know of her involvement in in the [52:57] stuff in in 21 January 21? I came across [53:01] something that said that she was leading [53:02] some spiritual warfare during that time. [53:05] Have you come across any of that? [53:07] >> I did. that I'm cautious to talk about. [53:08] In fact, I I'm going to redirect our [53:11] conversation because there are, like I [53:13] said, they are getting very, very crazy [53:15] with their censoring. So, I don't want [53:17] to go too far [53:18] >> with that. But [53:20] >> anybody who wants to know what you just [53:22] talked about, just go to Wikipedia. I [53:23] think it's even on Wikipedia if you want [53:25] to look it up. [53:26] >> Cool. [53:26] >> But yes, very very deeply involved. She [53:29] was uh in the 80s she started what was [53:32] it called? Generals International or [53:34] something like this. the basically this [53:36] foundation that turned into God's [53:38] generals. She was on the council of [53:40] wizards with I'm using wizards jokingly [53:43] with see Peter Wagner Bickl others. So [53:46] she's deeply embedded in this and she's [53:49] but again she's just one little gear one [53:52] little one little spike in the gear [53:54] that's spinning this whole thing. And um [53:57] I I should qualify everything that I've [53:59] just said and everything that you've [54:00] said as well. We're not really [54:02] criticizing Christians for praying for [54:04] the country, even though that's what [54:06] they say these rallies are. That's not [54:09] what the rallies are, though. The [54:10] rallies are something more far more [54:12] political. I think I think Christians [54:14] should pray for neighbors, enemies, [54:16] nations. [54:17] >> But think about that. Neighbors, [54:18] enemies, nations. That's not what [54:20] they're doing in these rallies. If [54:22] you're the enemy, you're the enemy. [54:23] >> It's a totally different mindset than [54:26] Christianity. So, [54:27] >> yeah. [54:27] >> Um, [54:28] >> agreed. Yeah, it's a mess. But thank you [54:30] for doing this. [54:31] >> Yeah, absolutely. Till next time. [54:33] >> Till next time. Well, if you've enjoyed [54:35] our show and you want more information, [54:36] you can check us out on the web. You can [54:38] find us at william-brandom.org. [54:40] For more about the dark side of the new [54:41] Apostolic Reformation, you can read [54:43] Weaponized Religion: From Christian [54:45] Identity to the N. Available on Amazon, [54:48] Kindle, and Audible. [54:53] Heat. [55:08] Heat. [55:26] Heat. Heat. [55:36] Heat.  ## Highlights - The Bible, when it talks about revival, it's talking about a renewal of your worship to God. It's not talking about a political rally. But every time you see revival, they're throwing underlying themes that either they're outright against the political party or they're building a doctrine that will eventually go towards a political party. - Note: 📚 Revival culture functions as political rallies using religious terminology · - Core distinction Collins makes between biblical revival and contemporary "revival culture" - Explains how religious terminology masks fundamentally political objectives - Key to understanding how these events function as mobilization tools · #atom/literature/h1 - He's actually branding the first lady as Jezebel and branding Kennedy as Ahab... he starts saying things like, 'She was fed to the dogs because she wore makeup... The people rose up and they fed her to the dogs. They killed her. - Note: 📚 Demonization rhetoric creates framework for implied violence against political opponents · - Collins explaining William Branham's 1962 rhetoric against the Kennedy administration - Demonstrates how biblical language allows speakers to make violent implications while maintaining plausible deniability - Pattern repeats with contemporary figures like Kamala Harris being called "Jezebel" · #atom/literature/h2 - I was feeling my body respond in those familiar patterns... I felt my adrenaline start pumping. I felt chills all over my body like I would whenever before I would say that that was the presence of God... This is a moment that is hijacking my nervous system. - Note: 📚 Religious conditioning creates lasting physiological responses that override critical thinking · - Smith's description of watching Lou Engle at Rededicate 250 - Illustrates how conditioning in religious contexts creates lasting trauma responses - Explains why people can intellectually reject content while still experiencing bodily reactions · #atom/literature/h3 - Christian nationalism operates as interconnected networks disguised as separate ministries - Note: Holds when examining financial flows, shared platforms, and cross-pollination between leaders · - [[Political rally techniques]] — because applies-in religious contexts · #atom/zettel/z1 - Claims about "all politics" being about exciting people into movements may be overly broad - could specify particular types of political mobilization - Note: 🔍 Fallacy: Hasty Generalization #fallacy/hasty-generalization