The Fakest Prophet Drugs, Women, and Terror

The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror 🔗 **Source:** [The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yK0ZYPAMA&t=3235s) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [false-prophets, charismatic-movement, church-accountability] > author: Mike Winger > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yK0ZYPAMA > date created: 2024-12-28 14:30 > > # 🏷️ Title: The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror - Exposing Chris Reed >  ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Investigate Chris Reed's current ministry activities — ongoing accountability #church-safety - [H2] Document Bethel's pattern of cover-ups — evidence preservation #accountability - [H3] Support victims of prophetic manipulation — pastoral care #healing ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### 🔗 References - [Wake Up and Win Podcast](https://example.com/wakeupandwin) - [Developing Your Prophetic Filter Book](https://example.com/prophetic-filter) ## 📝 Summary - Mike Winger exposes Chris Reed as a fake prophet who uses Facebook data to create false prophecies - Reed allegedly contributed to someone's death through false prophetic words and engaged in sexual misconduct - Bethel Church leadership, including Bill Johnson, allegedly covered up Reed's deceptions since 2020 - Reed continued ministry activities despite being caught, receiving endorsements and book forwards - Pattern connects to broader cover-up culture in charismatic churches including Morning Star and IHOP ## 📖 Main Content This investigation reveals how Chris Reed, former president of Morning Star Ministries, allegedly fabricated prophecies by researching people on social media platforms. In 2020, Bethel leaders Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins caught Reed using Facebook profiles to generate "prophetic" words. Despite being exposed, Reed received continued support from major charismatic leaders and was endorsed by Bill Johnson for a book on "healthy prophecy." The evidence suggests a pattern of institutional cover-up culture spanning multiple major charismatic organizations. Reed's alleged misconduct includes sexual impropriety with students, substance abuse during ministry, and threatening legal action against whistleblowers. The investigation connects these issues to similar patterns involving other charismatic leaders and questions the accountability structures within these movements. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=0) — [H1] Chris Reed Introduction and Core Accusations - Key idea: Reed is accused of being a fake prophet who contributed to someone's death through false prophecy - Evidence: "I watched him waste away and die holding on to that prophetic word" #### ⏱️ [02:35](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=155) — [H2] Bethel Connection and Cover-up Evidence - Key idea: Bill Johnson allegedly knew Reed was faking prophecy in 2020 but still endorsed his book - Evidence: Text messages show Ben Fitzgerald backing down after "speaking to my leaders at Bethel Church" #### ⏱️ [05:15](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=315) — [H3] The Facebook Prophecy Scam Exposed - Key idea: Reed was caught looking up Facebook profiles during live prophetic sessions - Evidence: Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins set up test accounts with false information #### ⏱️ [08:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=525) — [H1] Reed's False Explanation of Entrapment - Key idea: Reed claims he was entrapped but evidence shows he volunteered to give prophecies - Evidence: "Premeditated entrapment" defense contradicted by voluntary participation #### ⏱️ [12:20](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=740) — [H2] Text Message Evidence of Cover-up - Key idea: Screenshots show coordination between Bethel leaders to silence whistleblowers - Evidence: "Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone" #### ⏱️ [18:30](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1110) — [H3] Bill Johnson's Book Endorsement Despite Knowledge - Key idea: Johnson endorsed Reed's prophecy book after knowing he was fake - Evidence: Forward written for "Developing Your Prophetic Filter" in 2023 #### ⏱️ [25:10](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1510) — [H1] Reed's Rise to Prominence - Key idea: Reed appeared on major Christian shows and took leadership roles despite exposure - Evidence: Sid Roth show appearances in 2021 and 2024, Morning Star presidency #### ⏱️ [32:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1965) — [H2] Francis Chan's Problematic Endorsement - Key idea: Chan endorsed Reed while shaming those who would question prophetic gifts - Evidence: "I'm a little jealous of that... you'll distance yourself from him" #### ⏱️ [38:20](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2300) — [H3] Reed's Connection to IHOP and Mike Bickle - Key idea: Reed positioned himself as potential successor to major charismatic leaders - Evidence: Turning away Sam Storms and Francis Chan from Bickle's door #### ⏱️ [42:15](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2535) — [H1] Sexual Misconduct Allegations - Key idea: Reed allegedly groomed and had inappropriate relationship with female student - Evidence: Text messages showing progression from spiritual counsel to sexual content #### ⏱️ [48:30](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2910) — [H2] Reed's Victim-Blaming Defense - Key idea: Reed claims student initiated all inappropriate contact despite evidence - Evidence: "Message anytime" and "I feel like I am for you" texts from Reed #### ⏱️ [52:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3165) — [H3] Morning Star's Failed Restoration Process - Key idea: Rick Joyner's "18-month restoration" was actually immediate reinstatement to power - Evidence: Made acting president 2-3 months after discovery of misconduct #### ⏱️ [58:10](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3490) — [H1] Rick Joyner's Cover-up Philosophy - Key idea: Joyner uses Galatians 6:1 to justify restoring predators to leadership positions - Evidence: "Get them back from where they fell... put them into positions of power" #### ⏱️ [63:25](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3805) — [H2] Pattern of Institutional Cover-ups - Key idea: Same restoration philosophy applied to Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, and Chris Reed - Evidence: Multiple documented cases of quick restoration to ministry after serious misconduct ## 📚 References - [Developing Your Prophetic Filter](https://example.com/prophetic-filter) - [Wake Up and Win Podcast Testimony](https://example.com/testimony) - [Ben Fitzgerald Text Messages](https://example.com/texts) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - Chris Reed allegedly faked prophecies by researching people's Facebook profiles, then claiming divine revelation about personal details found online - Major charismatic leaders including Bill Johnson knew about Reed's deception but chose to protect and promote him rather than expose the fraud - Reed's pattern of misconduct extended to sexual impropriety with students under his pastoral care, using similar manipulation tactics ## 📰 Newsletter **Major Prophetic Fraud Exposed in Charismatic Movement** A comprehensive investigation reveals how Chris Reed, former president of Morning Star Ministries, allegedly fabricated prophecies using social media research. Despite being caught in 2020, Reed continued receiving endorsements from major Christian leaders including Bill Johnson of Bethel Church. The evidence raises serious questions about accountability in charismatic leadership and the protection of predatory behavior through institutional cover-ups. This connects to broader patterns affecting multiple major ministries. **Key Takeaways:** - Always verify prophetic claims through biblical standards - Be wary of prophecies containing easily-researched personal information - Support transparency and accountability in church leadership **Resources:** [Discernment Resources](https://example.com/discernment), [Biblical Prophecy Guidelines](https://example.com/prophecy), [Church Safety Protocols](https://example.com/safety) ## ✅ Action Items #### DevRel - Documentation: Create comprehensive evidence database for accountability - Education: Develop discernment training materials on prophetic fraud - Community: Build support networks for spiritual abuse survivors #### Community - Survivors: Establish safe reporting mechanisms and pastoral care - Leaders: Implement transparent accountability structures - Churches: Develop biblical standards for prophetic ministry evaluation ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Chris Reed systematically used social media research to fabricate prophetic words over multiple years - Bethel Church leadership deliberately covered up Reed's fraudulent activities to protect institutional reputation - A broader cover-up culture exists across major charismatic organizations protecting predatory leaders - Victims of false prophecy suffer lasting psychological and spiritual trauma that can be life-threatening ### 📊 Methodology - Document analysis of text messages, social media posts, and public statements - Witness testimony compilation and verification - Timeline construction of events and institutional responses - Pattern analysis across multiple similar cases ### ❓ Questions - How many other victims of Chris Reed's false prophecies and misconduct have not come forward? - What specific mechanisms do these organizations use to silence whistleblowers? - How can churches implement effective accountability without destroying legitimate prophetic ministry? ### 🔮 Future Research - Investigation of other leaders in the "cover-up culture" network - Analysis of psychological manipulation techniques used in false prophetic ministry - Development of biblical frameworks for evaluating prophetic claims ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Churches need robust accountability structures and biblical discernment training - Policy: Religious organizations should face consequences for harboring known predators - Security: Vulnerable individuals need protection from spiritual manipulation and abuse - Education: Christians require education on identifying false prophetic practices - Funding: Donors should scrutinize leadership integrity before supporting ministries ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th Grade #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Screenshots of text messages, book covers, social media evidence - Improve: Timeline infographics, organizational charts showing connections #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Video testimony and recorded statements - Improve: Audio summary of key evidence points #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear definitions of terms like DARVO, grooming, cover-up culture - Improve: Analogies comparing to secular accountability failures #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Step-by-step breakdown of how the Facebook scam worked - Improve: Interactive checklist for evaluating prophetic claims #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Clear timeline, cause-and-effect relationships, evidence chains - Improve: Decision trees for church accountability processes #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Community discussion prompts about church safety - Improve: Group study guides for implementing accountability #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual reflection questions on discernment - Improve: Personal assessment tools for evaluating spiritual leaders #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Analogies to predator-prey relationships in nature - Improve: Ecosystem metaphors for healthy church environments ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear headings structure, descriptive link text - Improve: Alt text for screenshot evidence, table headers for data #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Proper focus indicators on video controls - Improve: Skip links for long evidence sections #### Contrast and readability - Present: High contrast text on backgrounds - Improve: Larger text options for detailed evidence #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design maintains readability at 200% zoom - Improve: Prevent horizontal scrolling on mobile devices #### Media and captions - Present: Video includes captions for quotes - Improve: Full transcript availability, audio descriptions #### Forms and interactions - Present: Clear labels on any interactive elements - Improve: Error messaging for broken video links ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Issues affecting global charismatic movement - Improve: Examples from diverse cultural contexts #### Inclusive language - Present: Avoids unnecessarily gendered language - Improve: Sensitivity to different denominational perspectives #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear content structure with headings - Improve: Content warnings for traumatic material #### Representation - Present: Centers victim voices and experiences - Improve: Diverse range of expert perspectives #### Psychological safety - Present: Content warnings about abuse topics - Improve: Resource links for trauma support ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Text message evidence definitively shows coordination to silence whistleblowers - Inductive strength: Pattern of similar cover-ups across multiple leaders suggests systematic problem - Causal reasoning: Clear connection between lack of accountability and continued abuse - Analogical strength: Comparison to secular institutional cover-ups is appropriate and illuminating #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Some personal attacks on leaders detract from evidence-based arguments - Hasty generalization: Claims about "all" charismatic leaders may be overly broad #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Passionate but evidence-focused, appropriate outrage at institutional failures ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: Chris Reed's "entrapment" defense denies his voluntary participation in fraudulent prophecy - Attack: Reed threatened lawsuits against those who exposed him rather than addressing the evidence - Reverse victim/offender: Reed portrays himself as victim of "premeditated entrapment" while presenting accusers as manipulative - Emotional cues: Uses religious language and victim positioning to deflect accountability ## 🎯 Conclusion This investigation reveals a systemic problem of accountability failure in major charismatic organizations. Chris Reed's case demonstrates how institutional protection of predatory leaders causes ongoing harm to vulnerable individuals. The evidence strongly suggests deliberate cover-up culture rather than isolated mistakes. Churches must prioritize victim protection over leadership reputation and implement transparent accountability structures. The pattern documented here calls for immediate reform in how these organizations handle misconduct allegations and restore public trust through demonstrated change rather than defensive posturing. ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] False prophets use social media for fake revelations > [!quote] The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror by Mike Winger via YouTube. Published 2024. Accessed 2024-12-28. > "They asked for prophecy. He looked them up online and got caught and now he's blaming it on them." Documents systematic deception in modern prophetic ministry through technology exploitation. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=525#H1) #false-prophets #accountability ID:rw_001 ### [H2] Institutional cover-up protects predatory religious leaders > [!quote] The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror > "Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone." Reveals coordination between major ministry leaders to silence whistleblowers exposing fraud. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/ --- ## Full Transcript [00:05] This guy right here is Chris Reid. And [00:08] today you're going to learn about how [00:09] leaders in the charismatic church have [00:11] been allowing him to ruin people's [00:12] lives. You're going to even hear [00:14] testimony about how he, according to my [00:17] witness, [00:19] contributed to someone dying, uh, got [00:21] someone killed because of his prophecy. [00:24] All he could do was talk about the [00:26] prophecy he got from from Chris Reed. I [00:30] watched him waste away and die holding [00:33] on to that prophetic word. These people [00:36] these people kill people. Chris Reed, he [00:39] is a fake prophet who was recently [00:40] leading, according to him, the third [00:42] largest charismatic ministry in the [00:45] United States. I have evidence that he [00:47] is a fake prophet. I'll present that [00:49] evidence today. I also have evidence to [00:51] suggest he's a drug addict that he [00:53] groomed and sexually sinned with one of [00:55] his students. And I don't think she's [00:56] the only one that he, like I said, got a [00:59] man killed or contributed to having a [01:01] man killed, having a man dying, I should [01:02] say. He also lied to me in the name of [01:04] God. We had a meeting, me and Chris, [01:05] just days back, and he lied to my face, [01:08] calling down curses from God if he was [01:10] lying. And I have evidence that he lied [01:11] in that meeting. I'll share that [01:12] evidence today. I think this is all very [01:14] relevant because I want to prove this [01:17] guy wrong so that I can stop him from [01:19] terrorizing people. He's actively [01:20] terrorizing people with his prophecies. [01:23] I'll share all this in detail. He's [01:26] currently still acting as a pastor in [01:28] charge of a fellowship where he runs [01:30] full control with apparently no [01:31] accountability. At least that's how it [01:33] seems. It seems like it has to be the [01:34] case because he's been caught high [01:36] teaching on Sunday mornings and yet he [01:38] still taught this morning. That's right. [01:41] I'm recording this on a Sunday and I'll [01:43] share a little bit of what he taught [01:44] this Sunday as well. So much is going to [01:46] come out here today, but I want to help [01:48] bring accountability to Chris and to [01:50] deliver people from his terrors because [01:51] he does this with prophecy. He scares [01:53] people. And I want to prove one of his [01:55] best and most commonly known prophetic [01:58] tricks wrong. I want to show you how [01:59] it's done. You can do it with your [02:00] iPhone. It's actually pretty easy. So, [02:02] if you'd like to be a prophet, by the [02:03] end of this video, we can all be as [02:05] prophetic as Chris Reed. uh this [02:07] prophet, speaking of which, we did have [02:09] like a two-hour talk not long ago. And [02:11] in that talk, he threatened me with [02:13] prophecy as well, and you're going to be [02:15] getting all that. But here's the reason [02:16] why I'm doing this. [02:23] Um Chris Reed is not an isolated case. [02:25] Chris Reed is part of the one of the the [02:26] the three major ministries, maybe four I [02:29] might add, toward by the end of this, [02:30] that I would say have been propagating [02:32] cover-up culture. So we have Bethl and [02:34] we have IHOP and we have Morning Star. [02:37] Those are like the three old school ones [02:38] and they're rising up right now is Jesus [02:40] image. And of course there may be others [02:42] but these three are pretty significant. [02:44] This is the morning star one. All right. [02:46] But it is connected to Bethl leadership. [02:48] And here's why. In 2020, Bethl [02:50] leadership knew that Chris Ree was [02:52] faking prophecy. And Bill Johnson not [02:55] only did not expose Chris, we'll have [02:56] evidence that he may have deliberately [02:58] covered up for Chris, like purposely, [03:00] intentionally silenced someone from [03:02] being a whistleblower. I'll share the [03:03] text messages and stuff today. But he [03:07] actually after this, after 2020, he went [03:09] on to write the forward for Chris's 2023 [03:12] book. What book? A book on healthy [03:14] prophecy. I kid you not, this is the [03:18] truth. Chris writes a book called [03:20] Developing Your Prophetic Filter. Bill [03:22] Johnson writes the forward to the book. [03:24] This is after Bill Johnson has knowledge [03:26] that Chris is in fact guilty. [03:31] There it is. That Chris is in fact [03:33] guilty of faking prophecy. This is very [03:36] similar to the Shawn Bull situation. And [03:38] there's a number of details I want to [03:40] give you because scripture says, "Have [03:41] no fellowship with the unfruitful works [03:43] of darkness, but rather expose them." [03:46] And this is going to be part of exposing [03:47] them and creating accountability from [03:50] the ground up if we have to do it [03:52] because the leaders aren't doing their [03:53] job. Sadly, if Bethl had exposed Chris [03:57] back in 2020 instead of Bill endorsing [03:59] his book, then maybe that man you're [04:01] going to hear about later would not have [04:02] died. Uh maybe Chris would not have [04:05] groomed multiple women. Maybe he [04:07] wouldn't currently be the senior pastor [04:09] of a church who's being [04:11] oppressed by this man in the name of [04:13] Jesus. So, this is dedicated to the [04:16] people who are scared to death of Chris [04:18] Reed. Let me first talk about the Bethl [04:20] connection and then we'll walk through [04:22] all the other stuff I've kind of [04:23] introduced so far today. The Bethl [04:26] connection. All right. In 2020, Chris [04:27] Reed was on a live stream. And you guys [04:29] know how 2020 was, right? COVID hit. [04:31] Everything's locked down. And a guy like [04:32] Chris who does public speaking as his [04:34] job, he has nowhere to go. He has [04:36] nothing to do. So, he's going on streams [04:38] and they're on these live streams. He's [04:40] prophesying. Now, this guy, kind of like [04:42] Shawn BS, he comes out and prophesies. [04:44] And if you haven't seen my Bulls video, [04:45] I'll link it below. Um, he goes out and [04:47] prophesies in ways that are amazing to [04:49] people. He knows their address or their [04:51] name. He knows what they just did last [04:52] week. He knows tons of stuff about them. [04:55] But some people catch him in actually [04:58] looking up their data on Facebook as [05:01] he's prophesying. [05:03] They know that he's going to look up [05:04] their their username. And so, and these [05:06] are some Bethl guys, right? We have Ben [05:08] Fitzgerald and we have Todd Dawkins. and [05:10] they're looking up or they're they're uh [05:13] with Chris. Well, one of them is on the [05:14] show with Chris and the other one is [05:16] merely helping out. Ben Ben Fitzgerald [05:18] is just helping out uh off to the side, [05:20] but they suspect I think this guy's [05:22] cheating. So, they use their own [05:24] Facebook or Facebook of people they know [05:26] to test Chris by editing those Facebook [05:28] pages and then requesting a prophetic [05:30] word. And if he would give them the bad [05:32] information that was just edited, then [05:34] they know he was getting the info off [05:35] Facebook. This is very very definitive [05:38] evidence that shows exactly what [05:40] happened. Okay, so this is Chris Reed [05:42] giving his explanation of why he looked [05:45] up people on Facebook back in 2020 in [05:47] this particular instance on YouTube and [05:50] was busted by uh Ben Fitzgerald um and [05:54] Todd Dawkins. So this is that [05:57] explanation and you'll hear that he said [05:58] it was all premeditated and this is a [06:00] lie. I will prove it today. And I can [06:03] remember specifically an instance in [06:07] prophecy where I was doing online [06:10] ministry with two other people and was [06:15] the first time I'd done it with this is [06:17] back during 2020 in the pandemic before [06:19] I ever ministered here in the Carolinas. [06:23] And one of the persons that was doing [06:27] online ministry is like a zoom call [06:29] three people and then people on social [06:31] media would come up and we'd pray for [06:32] them if we had something prophetically [06:35] speak. It was a very exciting moment, [06:36] right? because they they call in or they [06:38] you know they type into the live chat [06:39] and then he gives them a prophetic word [06:41] either on either they're uh on Facebook [06:43] they're commenting it might have been [06:44] YouTube or may have been both actually I [06:47] don't remember right now off the top of [06:48] my head speak over when we would well at [06:50] the end I didn't know that one of the [06:54] persons on that call [06:57] had [06:58] a pre-meditated [07:03] ins snarement waiting for me [07:05] >> this is a lie. I'll show you later. [07:10] >> And that is bearing false witness when [07:13] you do such a thing. [07:16] To try to force me to get me to prophesy [07:18] over someone 15 hours away in another [07:22] country across the world who I don't [07:25] even know at that time if they're a real [07:26] person through a cell phone. [07:30] Premeditated entrapment. [07:35] pre-meditated [07:37] entrapment. [07:38] >> This would be like a guy who um you know [07:43] hires a prostitute and then finds out [07:45] that she's a undercover cop and his [07:47] defense being it was a premeditated [07:49] enttrapment. Like dude, you're the same [07:51] amount of guilty even if it was. But it [07:54] wasn't. This is actually not true. Um [07:56] you know, Chris isn't forced to prophesy [07:58] at all. He's putting himself out there [07:59] as a guy that has words from God. They [08:01] asked for prophecy. he looked them up [08:03] online and that he got caught and now [08:06] he's blaming it on them. So, this is [08:07] what's called Darvo, right? Deny, [08:09] accuse, and reverse victim and offender. [08:14] It's bearing false witness, then trying [08:18] to get you to prophesy to people and [08:21] that's not even really their name. [08:23] They're lying to you about names and [08:26] information. [08:27] Okay, so ent trament's not possible if [08:30] you're a real prophet or if you just [08:31] only share things when God actually [08:33] shows you because someone could give you [08:35] a fake profile and you would look at it [08:36] and go you would hear the name perhaps [08:38] and say I don't have a prophetic word [08:40] for you. See see this this trick doesn't [08:42] work on on a real prophet. It only works [08:44] on someone who's faking it. That's the [08:46] beauty of the trick. So later in that uh [08:49] conversation that I had with him, we we [08:51] talked about this as well. This is this [08:52] is not from our conversation. I didn't [08:53] record it. I believe that Chris did. Um, [08:57] but in my conversation with Chris, he [08:58] tells me that first that it was [09:00] entrament and that it was the weirdest [09:02] thing. He says, "Because I was [09:04] suspicious that they were trying to [09:05] trick me, I looked up their names on [09:07] Facebook and then I I gave them some [09:10] words from Facebook." Later in the [09:11] conversation, same conversation, he [09:13] implies that he was never giving [09:14] prophetic words of knowledge. He would [09:16] just see on Facebook like, "Oh, you have [09:18] a son." And he'd be like, "Oh, Lord [09:20] bless your son and may he may he call [09:22] your son to great things." Um, which [09:25] it's I he can't keep track of his own [09:26] lies, I think, is the issue. But here [09:29] are screenshots from that day. [09:30] Screenshots from that very day where [09:32] Chris Reed was faking prophecy. And I'm [09:34] going to share them with you. Here is [09:37] the first one. There we go. On this [09:39] screenshot, you can see where uh it's [09:41] Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins are [09:43] talking back and forth. Now, Ben is not [09:44] a source for me on this. Ben so far has [09:46] not been willing to talk to me. I've [09:47] asked for like I don't know if it's two [09:49] weeks through like three different [09:50] contacts and he does not want to speak [09:52] to me. Um, so, uh, or so far doesn't [09:54] want to speak to me. Uh, maybe he's [09:56] still praying about it after all this [09:57] time. Um, but Ben, he's he's doing good [10:02] here. This thing he's doing right this [10:03] moment, this day is good. Here it's May [10:05] 27th, 2020. And Todd says to him, "Hey, [10:08] Ben, I'm on a live stream right now with [10:09] a guy who I think is stealing [10:11] information off Facebook. It's literally [10:12] everything on their page. It's obvious. [10:14] What do I do?" And he's panicking [10:16] because he's not it's not enttrapment. [10:19] He's come on to this live stream as [10:21] they're seeking to walk in prophetic [10:24] things and seeking to bless people and [10:26] he goes on this live stream and Chris [10:29] Reed's there and he can tell he's like, [10:30] "Dude, this guy's faking it. I can [10:32] tell." And he starts looking people up [10:33] too and he goes like everything he says [10:35] it's right on their Facebook page. So he [10:36] reaches out to someone he trusts, Ben [10:38] Fitzgerald. And Ben helps him. They work [10:41] together. They they uh they work [10:43] together to you could say lay a trap, [10:45] but I think it's give a test to give a [10:47] test to uh to Chris Reed. So here they [10:51] he goes, I don't you know want to be [10:53] wrong here, but I just he's way too [10:55] accurate. It doesn't match the kind of [10:56] stuff that we usually see in the [10:57] movement. That that would be how I [10:59] interpret this here. And then Ben says, [11:01] ask for me to have a word. Okay. And [11:04] then so they start asking questions. [11:06] Then they coordinate and I have their [11:08] whole text stream. I got like a bunch of [11:09] messages. I I'm not going to share them [11:11] all. [11:12] But basically what they do is they get a [11:14] few friends of theirs to alter their [11:16] Facebook pages slightly so that there's [11:18] some information that's right and some [11:19] that's wrong. And then they watch to see [11:21] if Chris Reid gives the wrong [11:22] information proving that he is just [11:24] getting it off the internet. Sound [11:25] familiar? This is exactly what Shawn BS [11:28] did. He did the exact same trick. And [11:30] this is around the same time we have [11:33] Chris Reed doing it and being lifted up [11:34] as a prophet in the movement and getting [11:36] a book endorsement and forward from Bill [11:38] Johnson just the same. Okay. Okay, so [11:41] they get caught. He gets caught. They do [11:42] this with multiple accounts. Uh Todd, [11:44] you can tell, is shocked. And one of the [11:46] reasons he's shocked is because this [11:47] guy, Chris Reed, is not small time. [11:49] Okay, he's the dude who is about to [11:51] appear on the Sid Roth show. Now, some [11:52] of you guys don't know who that is, but [11:54] when you appear on the Sid Roth show, [11:56] you're you're making it. You're into the [11:57] next level of stratosphere. You're not [11:59] like a normal leader in the movement. [12:00] You're something higher up. We also have [12:03] reason to think that he was poisoning [12:05] himself to take over for Mike Bickl if [12:08] when you know at some point and he was [12:10] trying to take over for Sid Roth at some [12:12] point and trying to take over for Rick [12:13] Joiner and the the eventual one that [12:15] took is Rick Joiner. So he stepped in as [12:18] the next leader after Rick Joiner was [12:20] going to retire from Morning Star. Um [12:23] and so he was president there for a [12:24] season until scandals there blew up and [12:27] he had to leave. [12:29] So another leader after hearing about [12:31] this in 2020, he actually makes a [12:33] dossier. I have the dossier. I have the [12:36] dossier. And he told uh this leader took [12:39] the dossier showing that Chris Reed is [12:42] is a liar that he blasphemes the very [12:44] name of God. As Christians, you have to [12:46] care about this. You have to care about [12:47] this a lot. This is not just a lie. It's [12:49] a lie in the name of the Holy Spirit. [12:51] It's a lie in the name of prophecy. [12:54] That's a huge issue. That's about as big [12:56] as you get as far as issues go. And so [12:58] he takes this dossier and he gives it to [13:00] Dan Reese of Paul Ka's ministry. Nothing [13:05] happens. Um he was reportedly going to [13:07] take it to Katherine Ruinala in [13:10] Australia and Stacy Campbell and James [13:12] Gaul in 2020. Did they get it? I have [13:15] not confirmed whether they got it or [13:16] not. So that's a an unanswered question. [13:20] Um but I know that Stacy Campbell was [13:22] given evidence of Shawn BS cheating. I I [13:26] use their word cheating. you should say [13:27] lying in the name of God uh back in 2017 [13:30] and she uh didn't just just started [13:34] ghosting the person who gave her the [13:36] evidence. So then we have in 2020 Bethl [13:40] knows and why does Bethl know? Because [13:42] Ben Fitzgerald who's on this on this uh [13:44] text thread who's checking he's actually [13:47] connected to Bethl. He's a pretty [13:49] significant leader in Bethl in Germany [13:51] right now at one of their uh locations [13:54] now or they're affiliated in some sense [13:57] whether it's official or not a church [13:58] this very much a Bethlized church. [14:01] So Ben goes to the leadership um or [14:04] excuse me first Ben confronts Chris. [14:06] Here's here's the order of events. They [14:08] confront Chris and in the initial [14:10] confrontation in 2020, the [14:12] confrontation, I know Todd Dawkins at [14:13] least is on this call and says, "Hey, [14:16] um, Chris, you did this." And he denies [14:18] it. I didn't look up words. You guys are [14:20] wrong. They give more evidence and more [14:22] support for it. And he confesses [14:24] finally. Okay, I did look up words. And [14:26] then they ask just one thing. They go, [14:27] "Chris, we're not going to tell [14:28] everybody. We just want you to tell your [14:30] leaders, your like your board. Tell the [14:32] people who you're accountable to." At [14:34] least in theory. Although the boards in [14:35] these movements don't hold people [14:37] accountable. That's what I've learned. [14:38] But he says, "Tell them." Chris [14:40] responds, "According to Todd, threats of [14:42] lawsuits. I'm going to sue you. I'm [14:44] going to sue you. Don't talk to talk to [14:46] me about this. Don't bring this up to [14:47] anybody else." Click. [14:50] Then this is Chris's account. From here, [14:53] I'll share what Chris Reed says [14:54] happened. And this is really significant [14:56] because this is where Bethl gets [14:57] involved in a deeper way that is [14:59] disturbing and I think needs to be made [15:01] public. on your screen is going to be a [15:04] text message between Chris Reed and a uh [15:07] a lady where he describes what happened. [15:10] And I will say he said the same to me [15:12] and I do think he is telling the truth [15:15] in this instance. It's a rare moment. [15:17] Chris Reed says, "I think it will stop [15:20] now." This is after he's he's getting [15:21] exposed. These these these guys know [15:24] Bethl is going to find out. They want [15:26] him to tell his leaders. [15:28] He says, "I think it will stop now. [15:29] Shawn Bull's called Bethl. Don't repeat [15:31] that. And Bill Johnson told him to stop [15:34] that nonsense and leave me alone. It's [15:36] all gonna be okay. I agree. To which the [15:40] response is from this lady who I'll [15:42] leave her unnamed. She's not it's not [15:44] actually that secret. People know, but I [15:45] I she at this point believes that Chris [15:48] was was uh was being defamed wrongly. [15:52] She doesn't realize later she realized [15:53] that he's actually a fake prophet. And [15:55] so this is what she said. She goes, [15:56] "Papa Bill is awesome." She's [15:57] celebrating that Bill is protecting [15:59] Chris Reed. And then he says yes. He [16:02] straight tells him tells him lol. And um [16:07] did he call Sid for you too? And yes. [16:09] Implication here is that Shawn BS also [16:12] called Sid Roth. Remember he was going [16:13] to be on the Sid Roth show. So his maybe [16:15] his chances there were not as good. And [16:18] he claims that Shawn called Sid Roth. [16:20] And he did end up appearing on Sid Roth [16:23] not very long after that. the Sid Roth [16:25] show [16:27] in my private conversation with Chris [16:29] Reid recently. This was this was back in [16:31] 2020. Now, recently he tells me a very [16:33] similar story. He says it and he was [16:35] very careful with his words. He says, [16:37] "Uh, I called Shawn after they [16:39] confronted him and Shawn said, "I'll [16:42] take care of it." Shawn BS says, "I'll [16:45] take care of it." [16:48] Then [16:50] he got the following text [16:52] from Ben Fitzgerald. And this is where [16:55] it turns strange. [16:59] Ben Fitzgerald, Bethl guy, currently [17:01] still is is significant leader in Bethl [17:04] right now. Um, [17:06] and I asked to talk to him about this. I [17:08] asked him if if this isn't what it looks [17:10] like to tell me. Um, and [17:13] I've not been able to get a hold of him. [17:15] I believe that this is this is what [17:17] happened. [17:19] So Ben Fitzgerald texts Chris back and [17:22] says, "Hey Chris, after speaking to my [17:24] leaders at Bethl Church, I've decided to [17:26] take this no further with you. Sorry for [17:29] coming off too strong in the first call, [17:31] the second I was truly that the second I [17:33] was truly from my heart trying to help [17:35] take care." [17:37] So he was on that call. Um and he says, [17:39] "Brother, I really hope someday we can [17:41] start off on a better foot." [17:44] What are we looking at here? [17:48] Chris says, "I called Shawn Bulls, who [17:50] we know as a fake prophet pervert who [17:53] was protected, I will maintain that, by [17:55] Bethl Church. They say they didn't cover [17:57] it up. It was just like they they didn't [17:58] tell the truth often enough and loud [17:59] enough and soon enough." Um, and that's [18:01] not true. They actually covered for him. [18:03] They gave misinformation to make it look [18:05] like he was less guilty. Um, [18:09] it is really bad. Well, here he calls [18:14] Shawn. Shawn says, "I'll call Bill." [18:16] Ben, it confirms I talked to my leaders [18:19] and I'm not going to take this any [18:20] further. Now, perhaps hypothetically the [18:23] conversation between Ben Fitzgerald and [18:24] the leaders wasn't like, "Hey, Chris, [18:26] we're covering for Chris because he's a [18:28] bad guy and we're bad guys." Maybe the [18:31] conversation was just, "Hey, Ben, we [18:32] don't think this is the right thing for [18:34] you to focus on. It's going to derail [18:35] you from other ministry purposes. This [18:37] is something I've heard." I don't know [18:39] how that conversation went, but the [18:41] order of events, I'm in trouble. I call [18:44] Shawn. Sean says, "I'll call Bill." Then [18:46] the guy confirms that he talked to Bethl [18:48] leadership and they talked him down. [18:52] Even if it wasn't Bill personally, he [18:53] talked to Bethl leadership. [18:56] I think that Bill covered up for this. I [18:58] think it's a reasonable interpretation, [19:00] especially given what we know about guys [19:02] like Bob Hartley, guys like um Oh, man. [19:05] Bob Hartley. I have more than I can't [19:06] even share with you guys what what I [19:09] know about Bob Hartley. Even what you [19:10] know about Bob Hartley. [19:11] >> Hey, this is me right now. I don't even [19:14] pay a woman to be near me or be with me. [19:19] But I'm blessed and I've worked hard and [19:21] I would do that. You know, I am tempted [19:24] to send you some beforehand because I [19:28] just believe in your heart. So, let me [19:30] know how you feel. Let me know. Okay, [19:33] this is what what's their cost. [19:36] >> You should think that this is something [19:37] Bill probably has done many times and he [19:40] did it with Shawn BS and who knows how [19:41] many other people he's done this with. [19:45] It's uh it's interesting to ask the [19:48] question of would Chris lie about this? [19:49] Is this text message just a lie? Um I [19:52] don't believe he would. This message, by [19:55] the way, um [19:57] it's consistent. It's the It's a [19:59] consistent statement and claim that goes [20:01] it it fits consistently with everything. [20:03] I've asked if um if if this is fake. [20:07] Nope, not fake. There's just some [20:08] explanation for it. I haven't heard [20:10] perhaps from Ben. The thing is here [20:13] Chris telling me even privately telling [20:16] me I called Shawn and Shawn said he'd [20:19] call Bill and then Ben said I talked to [20:21] my leaders and and then he apologized [20:22] and backed off. This does him no favors. [20:25] This does him no favors at all. He's [20:27] sharing this because it's already known. [20:28] He's sharing this because it's been [20:29] leaked by others. That's the reason why [20:31] he admits it. I think it implicates [20:33] Bethl, which is like the gravy train. [20:35] You don't want to make Bethl look bad as [20:36] one of these prophets in the movement. [20:38] It also associates him, Chris Reed, with [20:41] Shawn BS as having some sort of like [20:43] conspiratorial fake profit thing going [20:45] on. There's no benefit to him in saying [20:48] this stuff. [20:50] So minimally, at least Chris thought he [20:54] was relying on Shawn and he heard Shawn [20:56] say, "I'll take care of it and then Ben [20:59] backed off after talking to his [21:00] leaders." Um, and I don't have a better [21:02] interpretation than actual cover up [21:04] culture taking place. [21:06] But it gets worse because Bill Johnson [21:08] endorsed Chris Reed's book right after [21:10] this. So allow me to show with you to [21:13] show you this. Um, [21:16] Bill Johnson endorsing Chris Reid's [21:17] book. [21:20] So, here I showed you before, but this [21:21] is the cover for the book [21:24] forward by Bill Johnson. Developing your [21:26] prophetic filter, how to process the [21:28] prophetic. It's literally a book on how [21:30] to have healthy prophecy. I kid you not. [21:33] It is a mockery. Is a mockery of the [21:36] work of God. An absolute mockery. Okay, [21:39] this is the actual endorsement itself. [21:41] It says, "Developing your prophetic [21:42] filter." This is from Bill Johnson is an [21:44] important book for our time. He has like [21:46] you know nice things and positive things [21:48] about the book and he says at the very [21:50] end may we be a people who walk in [21:52] purity, passion and power representing [21:56] Jesus well through the gift of prophecy. [21:58] The exact opposite [22:00] in every way of Chris Reed. It is not [22:02] pure. It is not passion for God and it [22:05] is not power. It is fake. At this point, [22:08] can Bill Johnson or Bethl say, "Oops, [22:10] this was merely a mistake." Uh, no. This [22:13] is a pattern. This is a pattern. [22:16] Remember the timeline compared to Shawn [22:17] BS in 2020, early 2020, at the around [22:21] the same time as Bill's finding out [22:22] about Chris Reed. [22:25] He also finds out about Shawn BS. Now, I [22:27] think he knew maybe before this. I think [22:30] Bill knew in 2016, actually. Now, I've [22:32] pushed it back further with more uh [22:34] conversations with people and witnesses. [22:37] that uh Shambols was faking prophecy. [22:39] But let's say he knew in 2020 that [22:40] Shambles was faking prophecy and that he [22:42] was this real sexual like oppressive uh [22:45] doineering deviant all that stuff. So, [22:48] similar to the situation with Chris [22:49] Reid, after knowing about Shawn BS, he [22:52] goes on to endorse his book on TBN in [22:56] public and even talks about the amazing [22:58] life of the author and how it represents [23:01] by implication of what he's saying this [23:02] like perfect understanding a version of [23:04] what Christianity would really look like [23:05] in real life. [23:06] >> But you wrote that this was one of the [23:08] most exciting books that you had read. [23:10] Why was that? [23:11] >> Um, well, the book by itself is [23:13] incredible. Knowing the life that backs [23:15] it up adds a power to it because it's so [23:18] it's so practical. It's it's what you [23:21] dream of. It's like if if you could see [23:24] if you could have a perfect relationship [23:26] with the Lord and see its impact on [23:28] humanity, that's what it would look [23:30] like. He does this. And he does the same [23:33] thing with Chris Reed. It's a parallel. [23:36] It's a pattern. It is not a fluke. It [23:38] wasn't a mistake. It wasn't an oopsie. I [23:40] don't believe that at all. I think that [23:42] Bill Johnson, I'm going to say this, is [23:44] a devious and twisted man. [23:48] I'm sorry. I didn't want to say this. Um [23:51] I don't like saying it. I believe that [23:53] it's true. And I believe that this is [23:54] only one more piece of evidence along [23:56] those lines and we've got a lot already [23:58] and there's a lot lot more that has not [24:00] been shared. [24:02] Oddly enough, it was after this that [24:05] Shawn after Bill knew that Shawn was [24:07] guilty of these things that that um he [24:09] was told, you know, don't be part of our [24:12] ministry. You can't you can't talk at [24:13] any of our events. You can't talk at our [24:15] church. Our team can't have anything to [24:17] do with you. After uh Chris Valatin is [24:20] telling people like, you know, I don't [24:22] trust him. Um he's dangerous. This is [24:24] what the message is being sent about [24:25] him. After this, Sean still has place to [24:28] call up Bill and be like, "Want to do me [24:31] a favor?" [24:33] That's that's the implication of the [24:34] evidence we have. It seems like the most [24:36] likely explanation of the evidence we [24:37] have, and I won't entertain fanciful um [24:40] wishful thinking explanations on this [24:42] stuff. [24:44] Bethl at any time could have come out [24:45] and warned people about Chris Reed. And [24:46] if they had, it would have potentially [24:47] saved a life. So, that's the Bethl [24:51] connection. Now, who is this Chris Reed [24:52] guy? Let's let's get into this in more [24:53] detail. [24:59] Chris Reed, the guy that Bill Johnson [25:01] supported after Chris threatened one of [25:03] Bill's own guys to keep him from [25:05] exposing him for fake prophecy after he [25:08] then went to endorse his book. Well, [25:10] he's the kind of guy that coverup [25:12] culture refuses to expose. He was a [25:14] rising star, Chris Reid, uh for a time. [25:16] He took over Morning Star Church, [25:18] Morning Star TV, and all the various [25:20] ministries and things that are connected [25:21] to that. He was a guest, like I [25:24] mentioned before, on the Sid Roth show, [25:25] but I'd like to share more about that [25:26] now because when you get on the Sid Roth [25:28] show, I mean, when Brian Simmons got on [25:30] the Sid Roth show, that launched the [25:31] passion translation into the next level, [25:33] the stratosphere as far as getting [25:35] attention, getting sales, that kind of [25:37] thing. When you get on the Sid Roth [25:38] show, it is a big deal. You think I have [25:40] a lot of sub subscribers on YouTube, Sid [25:42] Roth has more than twice as much as me. [25:44] and he has done a lot a lot um sadly a [25:50] lot of damage I think because he [25:51] constantly brings up cooks and promotes [25:54] them in front of the world. Cooks is a [25:56] nice word here but here in uh January [25:59] 29th 2021 he goes on the Sid Roth show. [26:02] Remember he said that Sean had talked to [26:05] Sid Roth forum as well. Well whatever [26:07] happened there he does end up going on [26:09] the show. Now, this is probably recorded [26:10] earlier, but almost certainly after he [26:13] had um been busted for faking prophecy [26:16] in 2020. That's not the only time he [26:18] appeared on the Sid Roth show. We can [26:20] see he also went on Sid Roth in 2024, [26:24] years later, after he' been exposed for [26:26] even other more other stuff we'll talk [26:28] about later. [26:31] At age 12, God called Chris Reed into [26:35] ministry. Now he's president and [26:39] director of Morning Star Ministries and [26:42] his prophetic gifting. It's very unique. [26:46] Chris says that God revealed to him what [26:50] is putting a break on most Christians [26:54] supernatural gifting. [26:56] >> I want to point out real quick that this [26:58] is Sid Roth's uh shtick. the the guest [27:01] comes on, they offer people some like [27:03] sort of increase in their supernatural [27:05] power or gifting. They connect it [27:07] typically to a book or a course that [27:09] they're selling. And in this case, I'll [27:11] tell you the book because it's it's [27:13] trippy. Um, it just shows you that the [27:17] marketing that is behind the faking of [27:19] prophecy. And Chris will tell us about [27:22] the big angel that escorted him to the [27:26] library in heaven. [27:29] Chris, I heard a little bit, but I can't [27:32] wait to hear. And you're doing what the [27:35] Bible says, the Gentile believers to [27:37] provoke the Jew to jealousy, but And I [27:40] get [27:40] >> Yeah. So, he's he's Jewish, so he just [27:42] wants to say he, you know, he's trying [27:44] to tie- scripture into this stuff. [27:45] >> Yeah. So, I was caught up in the realm [27:47] of the spirit and this angel led me [27:51] through this door and just like any [27:54] library. It was like there were [27:56] different sections of [27:58] Yeah. So, here's the thing. Sidroth [28:01] always, not always, but usually he'll do [28:03] these like reenactments. They'll either [28:04] hire actors or they'll get footage or [28:06] use CGI or something and they'll do [28:08] these reenactments of the things that [28:09] people describe, their supernatural [28:11] experiences. It really helps sell it, I [28:12] think. And what he will go on to explain [28:15] in this in this interview I won't play [28:16] it for you but Chris will explain how [28:18] God took him to a library and he saw a [28:20] book and it was called something like [28:22] the seven thunders and this comes from [28:24] scripture right um so then he takes [28:26] these these thunders and he after this [28:29] vision writes his own book by the same [28:32] title and sells it and he says this will [28:34] be the key to unlocking the supernatural [28:36] in everybody's lives because of his and [28:38] I won't get into this but the manifest [28:40] sons theology the manifest sons of God [28:42] the the latter a rain movement. This is [28:44] all tied together. And there he is [28:48] selling his stuff, selling his merch on [28:51] the Sid Roth show and claiming that it [28:53] was a divine vision. This happened years [28:55] after he was caught. He's allowed to [28:56] pedal this stuff. Years. [28:59] He's even endorsed by Francis Chan. [29:03] I just met Chris Reed. Your gift in the [29:05] prophetic. I'm not jealous of the gifts. [29:08] What I what I marvel at when I when I [29:11] think about it is I go, "Wo!" So, at [29:14] those moments, [29:16] God almighty speaks to you. [29:20] >> 13121 is a number uh that has just come [29:23] to me that I believe is [29:24] >> he was on stage there with Mike Bickl. [29:26] This is in 2021. Again, this is after he [29:29] was caught. And you can tell he's doing [29:31] the same shtick. He's doing the same [29:32] thing as Shawn Bulls. He's got these [29:34] inside uh Facebook knowledge. [29:37] um significant. [29:39] >> I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous of [29:41] that. It's the relationship [29:45] of God trusts you. [29:47] >> I don't know. You've never met you, [29:48] never talked to you, not connected to [29:49] you in your life in any way. And you've [29:51] never told me that you've I've never met [29:53] you or seen you in my life to speak for [29:56] him. There's anybody here that has the [29:57] birthday 228. [30:00] And he talks to you and he tells you [30:03] something. Some of you watching, you'll [30:06] see him do the prophetic thing. And [30:08] because you don't believe in the gifts, [30:11] you'll distance yourself from him. And [30:15] again, I'm telling you, [30:18] you're crazy. [30:20] I [30:20] >> Francis Chan for a long time was [30:22] considered a wellrespected person in the [30:25] in the Christian church. And when he [30:28] went out and started endorsing [30:29] everybody, I mean, he did this with Mike [30:31] Bickl, he's done it with Bill Johnson, [30:33] he's done it with Chris Reid, um, he did [30:36] it with Benny Hinn. When he started [30:38] doing this, he not only does he say, "I [30:40] think these guys are great. I think that [30:41] God's using them in wonderful ways." [30:43] Instead of warning against them, he [30:45] offers them great support. But he often [30:48] couples it with shaming anybody who [30:50] would come against them, anybody who [30:51] would speak against them, making them [30:53] feel guilty like they're like they're [30:55] offending God, like they're touching [30:57] someone the Lord loves and is using and [30:59] that they should be ashamed. That's the [31:01] typical thing. Um, I want to add also, I [31:03] didn't put creepy music on this. That's [31:04] Steve Kosar. That's his style. Messed up [31:07] church is this YouTube channel. But I'm [31:09] grateful that he is gathering these [31:11] clips and putting them together for us [31:13] to understand and see. [31:15] >> Misread him. Um I was told the wrong. [31:18] >> So that's him endorsing Mike Bickl. I I [31:20] won't go more into that, but he endorsed [31:22] Bickl and again shamed everybody. And [31:24] Francis Chan, I would appeal to you. You [31:27] should come out and forget the flowery [31:30] language. you should come out and say in [31:33] a in like a normal human talks and just [31:35] say [31:36] I endorsed these guys and I was totally [31:39] deceived and not only was I deceived, I [31:41] deceived you guys. That's the best case [31:43] scenario is that you didn't realize, [31:44] right? You see, I deceived and I [31:46] deceived you guys and I shamed everybody [31:49] who was trying to raise the red flags. [31:50] Those who actually had discernment, I [31:52] made you look bad. I made people [31:54] demonize you. I I I squatchched the [31:57] wisdom and discernment of my viewers and [31:59] used the credibility I had to lift up [32:01] and prop up predators in the body of [32:03] Christ. That's what you did, bro. [32:05] Absolutely. There could be grace for [32:06] that. There would be grace and [32:07] forgiveness. But you should come [32:08] forward. All these leaders that know [32:10] about other leaders who aren't just [32:12] flawed, but they're predators and [32:13] fraudulent. Their whole ministries are [32:15] fraud. You all should come forward and [32:17] just call it out and let the fallout be [32:19] the fallout. What What other option is [32:21] there? No other good one. Anyways, [32:25] so Chan endorsed now Reed at the time [32:27] he's regularly speaking at Mike Bickl's [32:28] church. Now Mike Bickl again, one of the [32:30] one of the three like big coverup [32:31] culture groups of churches that I'm [32:33] talking about. The IHOP churches, some [32:35] of you have never heard of them. [32:36] International House of Prayer, right? [32:39] Not the Superior Pancakes locations. Um [32:42] the one in Kansas City, that's Mike [32:43] Pickles one. That's like the hub. That's [32:45] the mecca for the IHOPS. And he's [32:47] regularly speaking there. and he's [32:48] trying it looks like to get himself into [32:51] the place where he will actually take [32:52] over for Mike. Maybe he's like looking [32:53] for somebody. I want to be the successor [32:55] of somebody. That's how it looks. And he [32:57] eventually got that with Rick Joiner. [32:58] But [33:00] we have evidence that it goes deeper [33:02] than that. Let me share that with you. [33:04] Now, what really is how deep is his [33:06] connection? Is Crease really? Because [33:07] here's the thing. People are going to be [33:08] like, "Well, he's just kind of like a [33:09] rogue agent, right? He's just some [33:11] random guy." It's it's not true. Um so [33:15] here on your screen is let me get a [33:18] little bit lower is a segment from an [33:21] announcement made um which discusses um [33:26] I think I think it was Sam Storms that [33:27] wrote this maybe maybe Francis was part [33:29] of it part of writing it too. Um I think [33:32] I think he I don't know I think it was [33:33] cuz this is we were yeah sorry I'm just [33:35] trying to remember. All right. So, Sam [33:37] and Francis Chan, it says here in this [33:39] public statement about Mike Bickl after [33:41] he was busted for um grooming and and [33:46] using prophecy to be a sexual predator [33:50] towards women in the teens, like the how [33:52] many of them there were in the teens [33:54] that were aware of and some of them were [33:57] in their teens uh when he did it. Um so [34:00] Sam and Francis Chan attempted to visit [34:03] Mike at his home on October 31st. This [34:05] is for a confrontation. Hey Mike, we got [34:07] to talk about that. These allegations [34:08] look real. We've we've heard the [34:10] witnesses now. We're now wondering if [34:11] we've got this thing wrong. Maybe you've [34:13] really done this stuff, right? They go [34:14] to visit and what it says where Chris [34:16] Reed turned them away at the door. He [34:19] said that Mike had been instructed not [34:20] to meet or speak with anyone, which Mike [34:22] later confirmed in a brief email to Sam. [34:24] We were subsequently informed that Mike [34:26] was following the council of Eric Vols, [34:29] who I do not trust and have never [34:31] trusted even back when I met him years [34:33] ago and did not know anything about all [34:35] this other stuff. Um, so that's the [34:38] situation he he's he's in, man. Chris [34:42] Reed's a significant player in this [34:43] movement. As much as people are going to [34:45] try to pretend he isn't and downplay it, [34:47] he's the guy standing at the door [34:49] barring the entry from Sam Storms and [34:52] Francis Chan. Sam, who who says he's [34:54] like his dearest friend, Mike Pickle's [34:55] dearest friend. It's Chris Reed. Why is [34:57] he there? Because birds of a feather [35:00] because they they they recognize each [35:02] other, these guys. That's the most [35:03] reasonable explanation. They recognize [35:05] each other. And that they have found a [35:07] partner in crime. And this is why he [35:08] calls who when he's in trouble? Shawn [35:10] BS. And who and who does Sean call? Bill [35:12] Johnson. Because the rot is worse than [35:16] you think. And it's not just mistakes [35:18] that are being made. It's something far [35:20] darker than that. Let's talk about what [35:22] Chris did. [35:28] The first thing we'll talk about, [35:29] there's a number of things I'll put on [35:30] this list of things Chris did in late [35:33] 2021. Chris, and this has been confirmed [35:36] and even confessed to to a degree, he um [35:40] he had a relationship, an inappropriate [35:42] extrammarital relationship with a [35:44] student. Uh she's an adult, mind you, [35:46] but she was a student under his pastoral [35:48] and prophetic care. [35:52] his version of the story in our long [35:54] conversation that he asked if we could [35:55] have. Um, he says that it was all her. [35:59] He says, "I take full responsibility, [36:00] but when he describes what happened, it [36:02] was all her." He says that she called [36:05] him on Facebook Messenger, instigating [36:07] the relational connections. She's the [36:10] one who hugged him, not him hugging her. [36:12] She kissed him, not him kissing her. She [36:15] grabbed his hand, not appropriate for [36:17] kids now, guys. That was your warning. [36:20] and put it on her lower body, shall we [36:22] say, uh over her clothes. And that's [36:24] when he immediately pulled away and was [36:25] like, "We have to stop this. They have [36:27] to stop this." Okay, that I believe is [36:30] not true remotely. And I will link [36:33] below. This is where she tells her story [36:34] and it was on the Wake Up and Win [36:36] podcast. I'll link that down below. I'm [36:38] not going to play all the footage of it. [36:39] I will share with you something that [36:41] goes right back to the date and time, [36:42] which are some of the actual text [36:44] messages between her and Chris Reed. And [36:47] we can see that it's not what he said. [36:48] Now, here's why this matters. When [36:50] you're a spiritual leader [36:53] and you not only have a extrammarital [36:56] romantic entanglement, [36:59] but you instigate it and you do so in a [37:01] predatory fashion where you you target [37:04] somebody and then you start manipulating [37:06] them to try to seduce them, which is [37:08] what I believe Chris did, that puts you [37:11] in a new category of not only fallen and [37:14] disqualified, but predator. That's a [37:17] different thing. We have the word [37:19] grooming for that often nowadays. But uh [37:22] but yeah, predator is a is a perfectly [37:24] good term. So, let me put this on your [37:26] guys' screen. They have a brief chat and [37:29] as it ends, [37:31] Chris tells her, and there's nothing [37:33] significant really, nothing romantic, [37:34] nothing at all, but he says, "Well, [37:36] there was a purpose for this chat and [37:38] hopefully many more." She says, "Amen to [37:40] that." Is she is she flirting with him? [37:43] No. She's she's got a man who says like, [37:45] "Oh, I prophetically I see things about [37:47] you and this kind of stuff." And he [37:48] says, "Hopefully many more." Chris is [37:51] the one initially pushing forward the [37:52] conversation and trying to get it to go [37:55] into more of a long-term thing. Um, he [37:58] then later says, "You bet. Message [38:00] anytime. Good night." Okay, this is not [38:03] something she instigated. He did, but at [38:05] the end of the conversation, he says, [38:08] "Message anytime." [38:10] How often do married men tell single [38:13] women message me anytime? You know how [38:15] many times I've done that in my married [38:17] life? Never. Uh, in fact, I don't [38:20] message single women. The um the times [38:22] where I do have correspondence with [38:24] women, it's because there's some like [38:25] specific reason to do so or we're [38:27] related. And if there's anything at all [38:30] fishy, my wife sees that message. And um [38:34] this only happened a couple times where [38:34] I'm like, "Honey, you should look at [38:36] this. This person sent me." And that's [38:37] what you should do, guys. Show it to [38:39] your wife right away. [38:41] Then we have this message and here he [38:43] says [38:46] um he's trying to like probe, right? I [38:49] felt like something's wrong and you're [38:51] bothered like uh how can I pray? Oh, I [38:53] know that you're going through a battle [38:55] kind of stuff, right? And then he says, [38:57] "Text me." And he starts to elevate this [38:59] to being personal cell phone number. [39:02] I'll be glad to help. I can't extend my [39:04] per my time personally to everyone cuz [39:06] Chris is a mega celebrity in the morning [39:08] star culture at this time he's mega [39:11] celebrity okay absolute c everywhere he [39:14] goes people want to see him talk to him [39:15] be around him and he goes but he tells [39:18] her I feel like I am for you [39:22] now she's going through all sorts of [39:23] different things and she does want [39:25] prayer and she does want help and [39:26] probably more pastoral help at this time [39:28] but he has really begun the seduction [39:30] what married man says to a single woman [39:32] I feel like I am for you. [39:36] Or what married man asks a woman the [39:38] following question? [39:41] Just curious here. He's just curious. [39:44] Uh, do you have a foot tattoo? I'm just [39:46] asking. I know that's a weird question. [39:54] Chris Reed was instigating seduction [39:57] tactics here. That's my opinion. I think [39:59] that seems pretty obvious. Once she [40:02] starts texting him, that's when things [40:04] turn much darker and explicit sexual [40:07] texts are given. The one that was uh [40:09] mentioned is him talking about wanting [40:11] to uh restrain her physically on a bed [40:14] and da da da. Okay, [40:18] Chris is an instigator. [40:21] He over over the call with me years [40:22] later after he supposedly repented of [40:24] this, he acts like she was the [40:25] instigator, but the evidence says [40:27] otherwise. That's important to know. [40:36] Now, let's talk about how he covered [40:37] this up or how they perhaps I should say [40:40] covered this up. Late in 2021, this [40:44] happens. Okay, there it does get [40:46] somewhat physical. Um, [40:48] it didn't uh I I don't want to discuss [40:50] all the details there. It wasn't every [40:52] everything you can imagine and it wasn't [40:54] uh non-physical either. So, in late [40:56] 2021, that happened. It was only a few [40:59] months after Chris Reed came to Morning [41:00] Star. Now, imagine this. A few months [41:03] after coming to a new church where [41:04] you're going to be installed as like [41:06] you're coming as the big guy, the head [41:07] dog, the new the new, you know, one [41:09] who's going to take over and be be the [41:11] the man, the man of God. You start [41:14] seducing one of the people under your [41:16] pastoral care just a few months in. [41:20] But in early 2022, Morning Star finds [41:22] out about this [41:24] and [41:26] Rick Joiner says that he's going to send [41:28] him through an 18-month process. An [41:30] 18-month restoration process. In fact, [41:32] he says it it did happen. It was an [41:33] 18-month restoration process. That is [41:35] not true. Rick Joiner is not being [41:37] honest with anybody when he says that [41:38] sort of thing. In reality, Rick made [41:41] sure that it was it stayed amongst a [41:43] very small number of people that knew [41:44] about this. It was very, very, very [41:46] small. It wasn't the board. The board [41:47] didn't know. The rest of the church [41:49] didn't know. It was just a very small [41:50] cluster of people. During that time, he [41:53] did not have an 18th month restoration [41:55] process or even any extended [41:57] accountability. I'll talk about some [41:58] details now. And I hope you guys stick [42:01] around. There's a lot more coming. But [42:02] but we need to get these these details [42:04] are important because it shows the [42:06] cultural nature of the cover up stuff. [42:08] When you have the gifted man of God, [42:10] even though he might get caught, don't [42:13] say anything. even though he might get [42:14] busted with sin like this, how quiet can [42:18] we keep it because we still want him on [42:20] stage. So, Morning Star or more [42:22] importantly Rick Joiner thought it was [42:24] okay for him to continue. Rick Joiner [42:26] within a couple months he installs Chris [42:28] as acting president. Within a couple [42:30] months of finding out about him doing [42:31] this acting president of Morning Star [42:34] and uh a while thereafter it becomes [42:37] more official. Rick Joiner's done this [42:39] many times. Rick Joiner is one of the [42:41] kingpins of coverup culture. He did this [42:42] with Mike Bickl. He's done this with [42:44] Todd Bentley. Right? Even recently, Mike [42:46] Bickl, serial sexual predator who fakes [42:48] prophecy and lies and manipulates young [42:50] girls and tells them, "Oh, God told me [42:53] my wife's going to die and you're going [42:54] to be the replacement." And he's told [42:56] this to many girls. Um, pi them with [43:00] alcohol and perhaps with something more [43:02] aggressive than that. That guy, Mike [43:04] Pickle, Rick Joiner, says it's time to [43:06] uh restore him. He's already saying [43:08] this. The dude just got busted, right? [43:10] Just got pulled from ministry. He's [43:12] saying it's already time to restore him. [43:13] Todd Bentley, he's tried multiple times [43:14] to put Todd back on stage. His people [43:16] won't tolerate it yet, but Rick, I [43:18] think, is waiting for the time when you [43:19] guys will. And Todd Bentley will be back [43:21] in Morning Star unless you do something [43:23] about it. Todd Bentley, a very evil guy. [43:25] You guys can just Google it. [43:28] So, his 18th month restoration process, [43:30] what did it entail? Um, well, it [43:32] entailed two guys that he was supposed [43:34] to be personally accountable to. [43:35] However, two months later, they may they [43:38] they may be met once or twice, but then [43:40] two months later, Chris Reed takes over [43:42] the president acting president position [43:44] and he is now in authority over these [43:46] guys and so they have no ability to hold [43:47] him accountable to anything. He's [43:49] literally their boss at this point. So, [43:52] that was done. Rick did that completely [43:54] on his own. The the accountability guys [43:56] didn't agree to that. The board didn't [43:58] know what he had done. And so, Rick just [44:01] put him right into that role. And let's [44:03] talk about why Rick does this. Why does [44:04] Rick Joiner repeatedly restore predators [44:07] into ministry? [44:10] >> Because we believe in Galatians 6:1 [44:13] where it says, "Brethren, even if anyone [44:16] is caught in any trespass, [44:19] you who are spiritual, restore such a [44:22] one in a spirit of gentleness, each one [44:25] look unto yourself so that you too will [44:29] not be tempted." [44:31] I want to highlight, he's going to [44:32] explain this himself, but I want us to [44:33] not miss it. Any trespass, meaning it [44:36] doesn't matter what the sin they did was [44:38] because there are things to me that once [44:40] you do them, you're you're disqualified [44:41] forever as a leader. You molest a child, [44:42] you're you're not going to be in [44:44] leadership. Easy, right? There's there's [44:47] things where you go, "Yeah, that that's [44:48] crossing the line. We would never [44:50] there's other things that we we could [44:52] see forgiveness and restoration to [44:53] leadership." But what he does is he [44:55] takes Galatians and he says any sin. [44:59] It's so embarrassing. If if if anyone's [45:01] caught up in in in any sin, uh restore [45:04] such a one in a spirit of gentleness, [45:06] which is about restoring them in their [45:07] walk with Christ, not restoring them to [45:09] ministry. And it doesn't mean wash the [45:12] sin to the side and just put them back [45:14] in ministry. It's about getting them to [45:15] repent and turn from that sin and be [45:17] restored to Christ. That's all it's [45:18] about. Rick takes it as marching orders [45:21] for restoring predators into positions [45:23] of power in the church. I kid you not, [45:26] this is cover-up culture. And it's not [45:28] just Rick Joiner. I think this is also [45:29] Bill Johnson. Um I think this is also [45:32] other big church ministries. Uh their [45:34] their opinions about this. [45:37] Now this includes the words anyone [45:41] which includes anyone [45:44] and you know uh caught in any trespass. [45:51] Get them back, restore them. And that [45:53] means more than forgive them. It means [45:56] get them back from where they fell. But [45:58] >> that means put him back in leadership. [46:01] >> You know, he was being prepared to take [46:04] over the leadership of the ministry and [46:06] all. Well, all that was put on hold [46:08] during this process. [46:10] And after a little time, we made him [46:13] acting president. [46:15] >> It was about two months later, maybe [46:17] maybe three, that after they found out [46:19] acting president, [46:21] >> acting CEO, [46:24] because that was part of the the [46:26] process. And I honestly want to see how [46:29] he's going to behave when he gets [46:31] authority. is, you know, is he going to [46:34] do another stupid thing like this? [46:37] >> This is Rick Joiner and Coverup Cultures [46:39] philosophy about restoring leaders. [46:42] Put them into positions of power where [46:45] they can revictimize other people. The [46:47] victim can just go away. They're not [46:48] they're not an elite. They're not an [46:49] elite leader. They can just they can [46:50] just disappear, go away, whatever. Do [46:52] what you guys want. But get this guy [46:54] back into positions of power and let's [46:56] just see if he hurts more people. I [46:58] don't know. Maybe he will, maybe not. [47:00] That's part of what restoration is to [47:02] them. They think, and I've heard Bethl [47:04] leadership say the same, they believe [47:05] that it's important to put leaders into [47:07] power positions as a way of getting them [47:10] to be restored in their walk with God [47:12] and in their like integrity. And that is [47:15] the opposite of biblical requirements. [47:17] So scripturally, [47:19] character requirements come first and [47:20] then leadership comes second. You don't [47:22] give them leadership as a way of [47:24] developing those character qualities [47:26] that are qualifications for leadership. [47:27] That's why if an el if an elder [47:29] someone's desire to be an elder then [47:30] they need to be and here's a list like I [47:32] have a list of requirements they got to [47:34] be these things or they can't be an [47:35] elder and coverup culture does the [47:38] opposite. Uh but that was part of the [47:41] process. Some people have a concept of [47:44] ministry [47:46] that if you put someone in ministry that [47:49] you're exalting them, you're lifting [47:51] them up. True New Testament biblical [47:54] ministry is the opposite. [47:57] It's the opposite. And I believe I have [48:00] seen people put in ministry as a part of [48:03] their restoration pro process. True [48:06] ministry ministry which is sacrifice [48:10] taking up your cross learning to serve [48:12] others. [48:14] Um [48:16] it it really helps them to get through [48:19] that. And this is mostly gibberish. [48:22] Okay. The reality is ministry is an [48:25] authority position. It's not a it's not [48:26] like you're high up like lofty, but it [48:28] is an authoritative position. And when [48:29] you're in authority over people, you [48:30] have to be trustworthy. That's a pretty [48:32] easy thing, Rick. Even secular people [48:35] know this, right? When you when you put [48:37] someone in charge of children, they [48:38] better be safe for children to be [48:41] around. When you put someone in charge [48:42] of the church in the local church, the [48:45] body of Christ in your local fellowship, [48:47] they better be safe and healthy and good [48:49] for the body of Christ. the body isn't [48:52] there to be like served up on a platter [48:54] to maybe see if their character is okay [48:55] or not. [48:56] >> And uh we've seen tremendous results in [49:00] a restoration process by doing that at [49:03] times. [49:04] >> The results that you've sometimes seen [49:05] are guys like Todd Bentley and Mike [49:07] Bickl and now Chris Reid. Uh it just [49:10] goes on. Now 15 months after they found [49:13] out uh that he had done this, he's [49:15] officially made president. He said it [49:17] was an 18-month restoration. I don't [49:19] know how he's counting that math. Um 15 [49:21] months later he's two months later he's [49:23] brought into as as acting president. [49:24] Then he becomes officially president of [49:26] Morning Star which later of course he [49:28] fails and falls from and we'll talk [49:30] about that. But this is how Rick Joiner [49:32] in more recent years and times addresses [49:35] these issues where he again this is part [49:38] of the video that I just showed you a [49:39] clip of but it's more recent. This is [49:41] more recent. He's kind of like dealing [49:42] with the aftermath now. Now everybody [49:44] knows what what Rick did and he's trying [49:46] to explain it to his church because they [49:47] were kept in the dark before. He blames [49:49] God. [49:51] Tell me I'm wrong. [49:53] >> But um anyway, I feel like things were [49:57] done that should have disqualified [49:59] Chris from being made the leader of this [50:03] ministry. I would that I had the [50:05] discernment. [50:07] I didn't I didn't discern these things. [50:10] Uh, I asked the Lord because sometimes, [50:14] you know, [50:16] it things look one way and I understand [50:19] they're another and I did ask the Lord, [50:22] Lord, you have to make manifest the [50:25] truth in this or any deception or [50:28] whatever. And I trusted the Lord to do [50:30] it. Guess what he did? I just didn't ask [50:34] him to do it then. [50:37] I forgot to say do it now. [50:40] And he happened to wait until this now. [50:48] This is your leader. [50:52] I prayed that God would expose him, but [50:55] I I just forgot to say do it now. Like I [50:57] mean, I just forgot to add that part [50:59] into my prayer because God's like the [51:01] genie in a bottle. and you you give him [51:03] your wish and if you don't word it just [51:05] perfectly he's like I'll sure I'll [51:07] expose him but you didn't say now [51:11] like is that is this the logic behind it [51:15] Rick is in La La Land and you cannot [51:17] follow a leader that's in spiritual la [51:19] land it's dangerous for everybody as has [51:21] been proven Rick's ministry is now [51:23] facing a very large number of [51:26] allegations of um child molestation and [51:30] whatnot And under under Rick's [51:32] leadership, which they they will plead [51:34] that they didn't know, [51:38] of course they would. But when you have [51:41] patterns like this, patterns of behavior [51:43] of putting people in front of others and [51:46] not protecting them, it's it's on you. [51:48] Is absolutely on you. So things are [51:51] known about Chris. A lot more could be [51:52] known about Chris at this time if people [51:54] bothered paying attention or if they [51:55] just said what they knew. I wouldn't be [51:57] surprised if if some of these leaders [51:58] know more about Chris than they were [52:00] letting on. if Rick in particular did. [52:02] Um, again, it was after this he goes on, [52:03] he writes his book, The Seven Spirits of [52:05] God. He goes on the Sid Roth show. That [52:07] book is endorsed by Lance Wallnau, Paul [52:08] Keith Davis, Chuck Pierce, Ken Fish, and [52:11] Rick Joiner actually writes the forward [52:13] to that book and supports it in 2024. [52:22] And now we come to another piece of the [52:23] puzzle. I'll talk more about the drugs, [52:26] the evidence of faking prophecy. I'll [52:28] show how he fakes prophecy. We'll talk [52:29] about the testimony of a man that died [52:31] in relation to a fake prophecy from [52:32] Chris. All that's coming, but I want to [52:35] just show a couple clips that someone [52:36] put together showing Chris telling [52:38] different versions of the same story [52:39] about this woman and his interaction [52:41] with her. And this is very relevant [52:43] because I think there have been many [52:44] women. That's my view. And I'll tell you [52:46] why I think it in a moment. But look at [52:48] the inconsistent statements from Chris. [52:50] I want to demonstrate lies not only [52:53] because these lies matter, but because [52:54] it shows a pattern of behavior. And you [52:56] need to know when your prophet is a [52:57] liar. You got to know [52:59] >> a few years ago, the biggest mistake in [53:01] my life was I let my guard down and a [53:05] texting conversation went the wrong way [53:07] and I had to stop. It wasn't nobody's [53:10] fault but my own [53:13] and I had to stop it. Thank God it [53:15] didn't become anything more. It didn't [53:16] become anything more. It didn't become [53:18] anything more. [53:20] >> That's before. That's earlier. Okay, [53:23] that's 2024. Chris Reed. [53:26] But you never know what's in your heart [53:29] at any given moment. [53:31] >> So, yes. [53:32] >> Okay, this is 2025 Chris Reed. [53:35] >> There was um [53:38] kissing involved. [53:40] Rick knew that. [53:43] Um Tom and Justin knew that. That was [53:46] stated back then in 2021. [53:51] So, what was it? kissing, not kissing, [53:55] only texting. Was it all her and she [53:57] aggressively did everything? He lies [54:00] every step of the way. He only admits [54:01] what he has to. And this is why [54:06] you will never get all of the guilt of [54:08] Chris Reed. It's never going to come out [54:10] because he'll never admit to it. He'll [54:11] only go, "How much do you know?" "Okay, [54:12] I did that part. Oh, you know the other [54:14] thing. Okay, I did that, too." But but [54:15] it wasn't what you think. He did some [54:18] bad stuff with this. I have reason to [54:21] believe, good reason to believe. Uh [54:22] Chris has done this with three women at [54:24] Morning Star just in his short tenure of [54:27] time there that he tried to seduce three [54:28] different women including the one that [54:30] we know about um that is more public. [54:35] I also have multiple witnesses say that [54:38] say there were other women before Chris [54:40] even moved to Morning Star when he was [54:42] at his previous church. In other words, [54:44] this prophet is a he's a seductive [54:47] prophet. He targets women is what it [54:49] looks like. And he tries to get them [54:52] prophetically connected. I have a word [54:54] for you. I'm going to share you a [54:55] special word. Will you wait after? Can I [54:56] get your message? I don't have time to [54:57] tell you tonight. Can I get your number? [54:58] I'll tell you later. A special word for [55:00] you. That kind of behavior can happen [55:02] with a prophet and then he can then [55:04] begin to wear you down. Tell me about [55:06] what you're struggling with. It's a See, [55:08] he's getting deeper into your relational [55:10] connection area, women, right? And he's [55:12] doing so under the guise of I'm going to [55:14] pray for you or God is for you and I'm [55:17] for you and all this kind of thing. This [55:19] has happened many times it seems in [55:22] Chris Reed's life. It may be happening [55:24] right now. Maybe maybe you're watching [55:25] this and you're one of the women he's [55:27] done this to. And um I'm very sorry if [55:30] that's you. Uh don't give up on all [55:32] things. Just realize what it was. Don't [55:34] let it happen again. Repent and [55:36] apologize to whoever you have to and get [55:39] rid of the manipulation that's still [55:40] left over in your mind that Chris did to [55:42] you. That's really important. [55:44] So Chris resigns. [55:48] Stuff's blowing up at Morning Star. He [55:50] doesn't stick around. I keep saying he [55:51] was the former president of Morning [55:52] Star. That's because he leaves. And the [55:53] reason why he leaves is partly or at [55:55] least what he says to others is because [55:57] all these allegations of sexual abuse [55:59] inside their church come forward and he [56:01] goes, "I don't want to be part of this. [56:02] This isn't I I'm Mr. Mr. clean over [56:05] here. I didn't do anything and I don't [56:07] want to be managing this huge disaster. [56:09] The church is getting sued by pe by its [56:11] own members now. I don't want to be part [56:13] of this. So, he bails immediately. I [56:15] mean, days after he bails, it comes out. [56:19] This woman goes, he's not telling the [56:20] truth. This is what happened with us. [56:22] That's when it gets blown up. And then [56:25] you start to go, what really what was [56:27] the real reasons for him leaving? I [56:28] don't know. I don't know. I don't know. [56:31] But he takes off from Morning Star [56:34] immediately. Is he Is he being [56:35] corrected? Is he being sat down in [56:36] ministry? No. No. No. Chris Reed plants [56:38] another church instantaneously. He [56:41] plants another church. [56:44] And that's where we get the drug [56:46] problems. [56:52] So, there are plural multiple witnesses [56:54] who've told me that uh this has been [56:56] going on for many years and he has a he [56:58] had a prescription drug problem. He's [56:59] admitted publicly to having a problem [57:00] with Kratom or which I don't know much [57:02] about, but that's just the scapegoat uh [57:05] according to these witnesses. Um and [57:08] also I've seen footage where in 2016 he [57:10] admits that in the in the past before [57:12] 2016 he had a prescription drug problem. [57:15] And so it just seems as though it would [57:17] it continued on for a long time. In [57:19] fact, I called Chris Reed out. Some of [57:22] you guys might remember this in my video [57:24] on Shambles and and Bethl. I called out [57:26] Chris Reid for faking tongues in his [57:28] church service, which I'm convinced 100% [57:30] he did. He faked Russian and he told [57:32] people to move to his church, and I gave [57:35] a full analysis of this in my video. [57:37] Maybe I'll drop a clip here after I'm [57:39] doing the editing. You have Chris Reed, [57:42] more on that, who tried to bribe the [57:43] guys from the Remnant Radio when they [57:45] were trying to expose him for being a [57:47] fake prophet. [57:47] >> But there is other allegations that we [57:49] are aware of that have come to us. [57:51] >> This will be news for the public. [57:53] >> This will be news for everyone. Nobody [57:54] knows this. So, you might have heard us [57:57] online talk about knowing that someone [57:59] has cheated prophetically. [58:01] Allegations were brought to us um from [58:03] multiple sources. So, we had logged a [58:06] bunch of information suggesting that [58:08] Chris Reed had minded information online [58:12] in his prophetic words. We were informed [58:14] that Rick Joiner knew about this data [58:16] mining that that Chris had already [58:18] confessed this even before taking the [58:20] job at Morning Star. And so we said, [58:22] "Yeah, but what have you done to make it [58:24] right with the victims?" But the there [58:27] was a couple of other things that [58:28] happened in this exchange. One, I got [58:29] some really when when Chris he found out [58:32] that I was asking questions about him [58:34] that I was poking around. One of the [58:36] people that I had interviewed and asked [58:37] questions about called up Chris and told [58:40] him what I was doing. Chris then sent me [58:42] some really strange text. Hey, I know [58:45] that you're investigating me. Hey, I [58:47] know that [58:48] and and there was like a offer to give [58:51] me money via PayPal, which is exactly [58:53] what he did. [58:55] >> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal, [58:56] through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It [58:58] was all those kind of things. And when [58:59] we confronted Chris about that, he said, [59:01] "Well, you know, I just kind of had this [59:02] idea that you're supposed to bless those [59:04] who persecute you, and I felt like you [59:06] guys were persecuting me about something [59:07] that I had already repented for and [59:09] tried to own." What was also happening [59:11] was that there was information that we [59:12] didn't know that there was these other [59:14] allegations of grooming this woman who [59:16] was a student at the school of ministry [59:18] at Morning Star that he had done the [59:20] same thing, offered her money. You know, [59:22] there was it was like one allegation was [59:26] siloed from the other allegation and [59:29] those who were bringing this allegation [59:30] forward didn't know about this other one [59:32] over here. And so what you're seeing is [59:34] collectively this is a person who's [59:36] caught and is trying to get his way out [59:39] of it without it becoming public. And [59:41] even in the midst of this, I I begged [59:42] Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know [59:46] what the right answer is. I do think [59:48] this needs to be made public. I'm [59:49] begging you to make this public." He [59:52] said, "I understand." I said, "Listen, [59:54] this is going to haunt you the rest of [59:55] your life. Either you do this or someone [59:57] will." who who I just saw a video [59:59] yesterday of him apparently faking [60:02] speaking in tongues in Russian because [60:04] it seems he knew there would be a [60:05] Russian guy present. So he says a phrase [60:06] in Russian that is like you should move [60:08] and come to this church and he says [60:10] that's for the online audience. God's [60:12] calling you to move and come to my [60:13] church. Same old same old, right? It's [60:15] always move here, move here. That's the [60:16] that's the that's the big thing. [60:18] >> I can't [60:22] just let go until I feel the release of [60:24] the Holy Spirit. Now, this video was [60:27] just sent to me. It actually just [60:28] happened at Chris Reed's new church. And [60:32] somebody who quote has been close to [60:34] Chris Reed for a few years now sent this [60:36] to me. I have to read carefully what he [60:38] said. This is what I was told. He [60:40] believes this to be false and was [60:42] concerned enough to raise the alarm. He [60:44] reached out to somebody and sent the [60:45] video which then ended up with me. This [60:48] is someone that thought what Chris did [60:51] here was so bad and so wrong that he [60:53] needed to raise the alarm. So let me [60:55] show you the reason why this is caused [60:58] for concern. [61:15] Now he's waiting for interpretation and [61:16] at first no one speaks and then a woman [61:18] is congregation gives an interpretation [61:20] that did doesn't satisfy Chris. [61:24] >> Yeah. [61:26] And so [61:29] as you seek these things, [61:32] deal with them in your own heart and by [61:36] the spirit and by my word. [61:40] So, because this isn't the [61:42] interpretation he wants, he's waiting [61:43] for more. [61:47] >> Man, there's a weight of glory. [61:48] >> He decides to say it again. And if you [61:50] look, it looks very clearly like he's [61:52] reading this off of the platform in [61:53] front of him. [62:11] This woman actually goes to interpret it [62:13] again. [62:14] >> And so you see it will be like this. You [62:18] will deal with those things in the [62:21] spirit and it will be released in. And [62:24] >> what's funny here is this is a different [62:25] interpretation than the one she brought [62:27] before even though he said the exact [62:28] same thing. and you will know me. And [62:31] they will see the love of God in you and [62:35] declare Christ is in their midst. [62:39] >> Hallelujah. [62:46] >> Russia. [62:47] >> Say it again. [62:48] >> Russian. [62:49] >> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help [62:51] me. Back there. Back there. [62:54] >> So this is the pivot moment. This guy [62:56] says it's Russian. And immediately Chris [62:59] says, "Say it again." This is this, I [63:01] believe, is what he was waiting on the [63:02] whole time. You're going to see this was [63:03] a well orchestrated, planned out thing. [63:07] So, this comes with a request, right? [63:10] The woman did not get a microphone. Not [63:12] at all. He just let her talk. What [63:14] happens when Chris sees that there's a [63:17] guy who says it's Russian? He gets very [63:18] excited. He gets him a microphone. [63:27] And notice that right there he goes [63:28] rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks [63:30] in tongues he speaks quiet. He speaks [63:32] kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead this [63:36] time when he speaks in Russian he speaks [63:37] very clearly. He doesn't speak walking [63:39] around. He speaks while looking at his [63:40] pulpit. Everything about this looks [63:42] sketchy. So [63:44] >> it was the Russian that's [63:45] >> which was Russian [63:47] >> u like [63:51] >> was it the one that who gave the Russian [63:53] >> I you said twice it was the same uh [63:56] sentence it's in Russian [64:02] I called you to be here why you resist [64:05] me [64:07] >> wow [64:07] >> it was a twice said you said this twice [64:10] in Russian [64:11] >> I said it twice [64:12] >> yes the same sentence. [64:14] >> I do not know Russian. [64:16] >> Yeah, [64:16] >> you could probably tell by my accent. [64:18] >> Yeah. [64:25] >> And what is again I the the translation [64:28] >> I called you to be here. [64:30] >> I called you to be here. [64:31] >> Why you resist me? [64:33] >> Why do you resist me? [64:35] >> Yeah. [64:35] >> I called you to be here. Why do you [64:37] resist me? This is a request for people [64:40] to move to his church. Remember I told [64:41] you about the come here strategy? This [64:44] is part of it right here. This is Chris [64:45] Reed doing it. [64:49] >> That's someone online. [64:51] >> Yeah. [64:55] >> And God put a Russianspeaking person [65:00] in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds [65:03] like Acts two to me. [65:05] >> We do hear these men. Are they not [65:08] Galileans? speak in our language the [65:12] wonderful works of God. [65:14] >> And this is where the payoff comes [65:16] because if he gets people online, okay, [65:18] this is all, of course, all my [65:19] commentary here is based upon [65:20] observation and what it looks like to [65:22] me. I think that this is accurate. This [65:24] makes the most sense and it it fits with [65:26] the the the person who has known him for [65:29] years, who sent this to us. Well, to [65:30] someone who sent it to me, I'll just say [65:32] that. And this just happened. This ju [65:34] this I didn't know about this until like [65:36] yesterday. This just happened. And this [65:38] is the come here strategy. I want I want [65:40] people online to come here. And it gets [65:41] a bit more deep because Chris has just [65:44] left Morning Star Church. That's Rick [65:46] Joiner's church. He left kind of [65:48] disgraced. Morning Star is in a bunch of [65:50] turmoil because because Rick Joiner has [65:51] put up predators and put them into his [65:53] congregation and his own people are now [65:55] suing him because of that. So this come [65:59] here thing looks like it's directed at [66:01] Morning Star and other churches because [66:03] he wants to get his own thing going. [66:10] It goes along with what he preached. [66:14] >> What did I say one more time? I I'm so [66:16] drunk. [66:16] >> Sounds to me like just knew that a [66:18] Russian speaker would be there. [66:19] >> The second time you said really well. I [66:22] mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um it [66:25] it was like I call you to be here. Why [66:28] you resist? Why do you resist? [66:31] >> I call you to be here. Why do you [66:34] resist? [66:35] >> We want to meet this person. [66:37] Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing [66:39] to camera three right now. [66:43] >> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah. [66:46] Right. [66:46] >> There are people, [66:49] >> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I [66:53] believe in tongues and interpretation. [66:55] That's happened here today. But we [66:57] actually have someone here who speaks [66:59] fluent Russian. [67:00] >> Translation. [67:01] >> That wasn't tongues and interpretation. [67:03] That was tongues and translation. Yes, [67:08] >> I don't know Russian one bit. I barely [67:11] know English. [67:14] >> But there are people that are watching [67:16] and you are invested or at least you [67:18] think you are and you think your money [67:20] has tied you down. I've put too many [67:22] years. I've put too much money in [67:25] another thing in another place [67:28] and you're plugging holes in a sinking [67:30] ship. I'm informed that this most likely [67:33] is going to be interpreted as him [67:34] referring to Morning Star Church. [67:36] >> But the people that are in the ship [67:38] don't know it's sinking until it goes [67:41] under. [67:42] >> See, he used to be the guy at Morning [67:44] Star and he left and now he's trying to [67:45] get people to join him [67:46] >> until [67:49] everybody that's in the ship is hoping [67:51] that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm [67:53] not speaking about any one ministry. [67:55] There are others. There are several. [67:57] There are people that God is calling [67:59] here to form this body. I've called you [68:02] here. Why do you resist? [68:06] That's what it said. [68:08] >> But man, I tell you, there are people [68:10] that are listening right now. [68:13] Don't let a lie keep you [68:16] >> from following God. [68:18] >> Again, this commentary is based upon [68:20] what looks to be the case and makes a [68:22] lot of sense with this guy's track [68:23] record. He is manipulating the people of [68:25] God. He's doing this not in the fear of [68:27] God, but for ulterior motives. And and I [68:31] feel bad for the Russian in the audience [68:32] who thinks he just participated in [68:34] something wonderful and amazing and from [68:35] the Holy Spirit. [68:38] This is why we have to blow up coverup [68:40] culture because if the leaders who had [68:42] been over and around Chris Reed would [68:44] call him out as they should, he would [68:45] never have a platform to manipulate [68:47] people like this. Okay, so that clip [68:50] that was in my video that went up on [68:52] Shambles weeks ago. That video was seen [68:56] by Chris, it seems. And the next day he [68:59] shows up to teach at his church on [69:00] Sunday morning. And I saw this and it [69:02] seems that maybe he's agitated because [69:04] I've called him out in a video that's [69:05] going viral and it's very embarrassing [69:07] perhaps for him, although I believe it's [69:08] all true. He shows up and he appears to [69:10] be high during church service. Let me [69:13] give you some reason to think that. I [69:15] even have my palm wrench here for show [69:19] and tell. No, I'm kidding. It is raining [69:22] cats and dogs outside. [69:25] Let me skip on down [69:28] because I didn't put it in the [69:29] PowerPoint. I lost track of the place [69:32] where it speaks of the seven sons [69:33] ofKeva. [69:37] Forgive me. [69:42] What verse? [69:44] >> 13. [69:45] >> Verse 13 and 14. Thank you for your [69:48] help. So, I got to verse 12 and I only [69:51] needed two more. [69:54] That's how it works. [69:57] Now, when Paul and his company loosed, [70:02] am I right? [70:03] >> Chapter 19. [70:04] >> What chapter you in? [70:05] >> I'm in chapter 13. Oh my goodness. You [70:09] can tell I did this late last night. I [70:12] I'm So, Acts 19's up here. I'm reading [70:15] from Acts 13 on here. [70:18] Forgive me. I'll straighten up. It'll [70:20] get better. But I also have a video [70:22] where I'm going to show what I believe [70:23] is Chris going from a state of sober to [70:25] a state of some sort of intoxication. Uh [70:28] I'm not saying it's alcohol, but some [70:29] kind of like drug influence. That seems [70:31] very obviously true. This first clip, I [70:34] guess I I recorded it while I was [70:35] playing it at 1.8 speed, so it's a [70:37] little fast, but you can see that Chris [70:40] on his on his face. The next clip will [70:42] be fine, but this one's a little bit [70:43] quick. His eyes, his his speech, he's [70:47] fine. He's sober. He's normal. He's [70:49] clear [70:50] >> there. No, you probably can't see it [70:51] there. Probably gonna have to do it too [70:52] again. Um, [70:54] >> he's doing a live stream here and he's [70:56] about to let his buddy here, Jack, share [70:58] a message. [70:59] >> So, that's December 31st, 2019. You can [71:01] see that. So, that's [71:02] >> notice he's using his notepad on his [71:04] phone. This is his prophetic trick. [71:05] We'll come back to this later. This is [71:07] what he does. He goes, "Look at the date [71:08] on the It's December 31st, 2019. See, I [71:10] prophesied this ahead of time." Cuz he [71:12] uses the iPhone notepad and says, "You [71:14] can't change those dates. [71:16] >> We'll receive more freedom and more [71:17] rights there." Uh but there's there's [71:19] not an end uh to major explosions [71:22] coming, more nuclear plants being taken [71:24] out. I know there's one they haven't [71:25] touched yet. Basher [71:26] >> nuclear plant. God had showed me some [71:28] things about um they're afraid of [71:29] leakage from that. [71:31] >> That's one of the main ones like I think [71:32] it's B u HR. [71:36] >> But he seems to be clear in his mind and [71:38] his eyes. All right. The next one [71:41] >> is going to be um an event that happens [71:44] in the same video, but this happens a [71:46] little while later. So what happens is [71:48] Chris leaves and for like I don't know [71:49] 30 minutes or so he allows this guy Jack [71:52] to talk. He allows him to speak and to [71:54] be in in charge of giving the message. [71:57] This is the message portion. Chris goes [71:59] away. As soon as he starts wrapping it [72:01] up, Chris shows up again and he appears [72:03] very much. Hi [72:05] >> has made his way back over to us. [72:07] >> Wow. [72:08] >> Yes, sir. I listened every bit [72:12] downstairs just cuz I didn't want you to [72:16] feel like you had to be rushed or [72:17] anything. He's giving an excuse as to [72:20] why he wasn't even in the room. He had [72:22] left entirely. He says he listened [72:23] downstairs, but uh but I think he was [72:26] doing something that he didn't want to [72:28] be in the room for. [72:29] >> You feel like you got out of your [72:31] >> I I think so. There's a few more [72:33] stories, but I'll save them for next [72:34] time. Right. [72:35] >> I tell you. [72:36] >> Yes, sir. what you were sharing was uh [72:39] inspiring. I know it inspired the people [72:42] that are listening. Did you have a [72:44] couple of words of knowledge? [72:46] >> Now he's asking him to give a few words [72:47] of knowledge. And is this at this moment [72:49] where if you'll just honestly just watch [72:51] Chris's face? Um maybe I can make it a [72:54] little bit easier for you to see it. [72:56] Yeah. [72:57] >> Got a couple of things that uh I believe [73:00] the Lord has shown me. Um [73:02] >> in fact, I'm just going to mute his [73:04] sound. He's going to talk about things [73:05] he thinks God showed him. And Chris is [73:08] going to [73:10] reveal what on earth is going on with [73:12] this guy. [73:19] You could say he looks like he's tired [73:21] or something. He was fine a minute ago. [73:22] Now what's he doing with his jaw? His [73:25] eyes. He seems like [73:28] Dude, dude seems high. He seems [73:31] absolutely high. [73:35] guy sitting next to him, Jack Linder. [73:38] That is right now his singular, [73:41] according to my witnesses, [73:43] accountability partner to keep him from [73:44] using drugs. [73:46] Jack Linder sitting right next to him. [73:48] This is the weird wild world of fake [73:51] prophecy. [74:02] You can just see him [74:04] struggling to stay alert. This is not [74:08] unheard of. Even to the people in his [74:09] own congregation, they know he's [74:10] admitted that he uses that he's used [74:13] that. But it's more than that, guys. [74:15] It's more than that. It's longer than [74:16] that. And it's happened since he's [74:18] admitted it. Um the issue here is that [74:21] you have a guy who's supposed to be [74:22] acting prophetically, acting as a leader [74:25] in the discourse of his duties under the [74:27] influence. That is something that's [74:29] deeply problematic. Now, this drug thing [74:31] gets especially uh problematic when you [74:34] consider that he's done it in the course [74:36] of prophesying, in the course of [74:38] ministering, in the course of teaching. [74:41] Um I my heart goes out to anybody who [74:43] has a drug problem, want to get you [74:45] help, but there's a reason why you can't [74:46] have that problem and drive a car. Same [74:48] reason why you can't have that problem [74:49] and be the guy in charge of the [74:52] spiritual well-being of everybody in the [74:53] room. That that's a dangerous thing for [74:55] others. That's when your personal [74:57] problem that we want you to get help for [74:59] becomes a problem for everybody. [75:01] Crazy that the guy is supposed to hold [75:03] him accountable is Jack Linder right [75:05] there. [75:11] All right. I want to talk about how [75:12] Chris threatened me prophetically. Uh [75:14] first thing he did was he used a note. [75:16] He used a note. So, let's look at the [75:18] video where he actually does this. He [75:20] did this on camera and he suggests that [75:22] God gave him a prophetic word about Mike [75:24] Winger before Mike Winger made a video [75:26] that featured um in a very small part [75:30] featured Chris Reed. [75:33] So, I come to you humbly today, [75:36] tonight. [75:38] It's 3:30 in the morning, Friday, [75:41] January 23rd. And uh there was, you [75:44] know, already one video that went out [75:46] this week that attacked about every [75:48] minister that is alive. You know, he's [75:51] talking about my video. Um I don't [75:53] believe these tears by the way, but but [75:54] that's maybe that's personal experience. [75:56] When I talked to Chris, he cried three [75:58] times on the phone or on the on the Zoom [76:00] call. Um and one of the times it was [76:02] really odd because as he cried and he [76:04] kind of like looked like peaked up like [76:07] this, like he went he's crying. and he [76:09] goes [76:11] like he was peeking to see if I was [76:12] responding. It just felt [76:15] fake. when you're attacked in a list [76:21] uh with people whose names are [76:25] uh Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, Rick [76:27] Joiner, [76:29] uh Mike Bel, Paul Kaine, Chris Reed, Bob [76:33] Jones, William Brham, John Lindell, [76:36] Patricia King, Stacy Campbell, Chayon, [76:38] Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copelan, Michael [76:41] Koulianis, Danny Silk, Sid Roth, Terresa [76:45] Deadmond, Marilyn Hickey, Emma Stark, [76:47] Todd White, Sean Foy. [76:51] That was uh posted six days ago. [76:54] >> That was me. I I posted on social media [76:56] a list of names that would come up in [76:58] the coming video. I thought it was [77:00] important to draw the right attention to [77:01] it. [77:04] >> As you can see, and I have to say about [77:07] Mr. Winganger, [77:10] there's many things that he said that I [77:13] agree with. I wish I would love to meet [77:16] him. I would think I I think he would [77:18] find that I'm not this terrible evil [77:21] person that he thinks that I am. [77:25] >> We did meet for uh about 2 hours and for [77:28] the first hour and 40 45 minutes of it, [77:31] he talked and I just listened. Um [77:36] but you can look this up. I [77:39] screenshotted this. It says 51 minutes [77:41] ago, but I screenshotted this [77:44] last Friday [77:48] uh when he posted it. [77:50] >> Here it comes. [77:51] >> Now, last Friday would have been [77:56] the 16th of January. [77:58] I'm going to share with you a prophetic [78:00] encounter I had [78:03] minutes before [78:06] the 15th. [78:07] The date at the top is January 14th. [78:10] >> So, he's showing you an iPhone note. [78:13] This is a real iPhone note. For those [78:15] who are thinking it's photoshopped, [78:16] that's not the trick. Um, this is a real [78:19] iPhone note. And if you take an iPhone [78:21] note, it will always show the date on [78:24] your iPhone on the note. And so, he's [78:26] saying, "This is this is proof that I [78:28] had this vision from God before." And [78:30] he's going to read it to you now. Um, [78:32] this is a it's a it's a fake prophecy [78:36] about me, including a threat from God to [78:39] me. And I'm sharing this not because of [78:41] a personal thing. Actually, Chris has [78:43] done this to a lot of people. And I [78:44] would like those people to watch this [78:46] video and know, guys, that was fake. You [78:48] can ignore it. You're free. He has no [78:50] power over you at 11:53 p.m. So, I was 7 [78:54] minutes away from it being January 15th. [78:57] So, there's going to be people that'll [78:58] say, "I was a day off." I was a day and [79:01] seven minutes off. I just had a vision [79:05] of his initials MW is going to release a [79:08] video to expose me. No one has told me [79:11] this. This has become his emmo. He's [79:14] attacked just about every leader that I [79:17] can think of. And I know this is a [79:18] warning to pray against it. He will [79:23] dig up as much past as possible and [79:27] people will see through it. Lord, I ask [79:30] in Jesus name that you stop Mike from [79:32] releasing this video to attack me or at [79:35] least minimize any harm to me or my [79:38] family a lot. I want you guys to notice [79:41] the manipulative nature of bringing up [79:43] family. Um, so let me give you an [79:46] example. When Chris Reed, the fake [79:48] prophet, brings up me as an enemy of the [79:51] work of God, uh, as a a a leech and a [79:54] vampire he'll talk about later. Um, do [79:57] you think that might have an effect on [79:58] my family? people believing that, right? [80:00] But I don't bring that up. You know why? [80:03] Because it's inappropriate. First, we [80:05] must establish the truth of the thing. [80:06] Then we can talk about the effect it has [80:08] on people. Because if if in fact you are [80:10] guilty of these things, the effect it [80:12] has on your family is your fault. If [80:13] you're innocent, then it's the fault of [80:15] the accuser, the person who's accusing [80:16] you. But it's just manipulative to bring [80:18] it up. [80:18] >> Lost my mom in May and I already [80:21] struggle with PTSD from the mounting [80:23] events over the last year plus. [80:26] >> So I struggle. I lost my mom. I've lost [80:28] my mom too, Chris. I would never bring [80:29] that up in this context. It's [80:30] manipulative. [80:32] >> There have been days I've even prayed [80:34] for you to take me home. [80:36] The fact that I'm recording this vision [80:38] beforehand should show that the [80:41] prophetic is real, of which he will try [80:43] to prove his fake or data mind and that [80:47] the Lord is very very angry with him in [80:49] these endless campaigns against many [80:51] ministries. Do you hear that? The Lord [80:54] is very angry at me and my endless [80:57] campaigns against many ministries. I do [80:59] believe that God, as far as I know, to [81:01] the best of my knowledge, would be [81:02] pleased with what I'm doing because I'm [81:03] following scripture and um and I I pray [81:07] I do it well. But that's a threat [81:09] threatening the anger of God against me. [81:13] That's a threat. Now, if this is real, [81:14] thank you for the warning. If it's fake, [81:17] God doesn't take it lightly when you use [81:18] his name in vain. [81:20] There's no way I could have known that [81:23] he would release a video against me [81:25] talking about when Mike responds to [81:27] this, he'll release a video against me. [81:30] He of all people would know that. So, I [81:32] created a timestamp note the day before [81:35] he'll release the video. The Lord still [81:37] reveals the secrets from the house [81:39] chamber of the enemies of the true [81:43] prophetic. In the video, he'll be [81:44] wearing a light blue shirt. Look at the [81:48] bottom right screen. Now, this is [81:51] timestamped. January 14th, 2026 at 11:53 [81:57] p.m. I'll be honest with you. You can [81:59] say I was a day off. That's fine. We [82:01] know in part. We prophesy in part. I [82:05] thought basically he's got this note. [82:07] It's got the day before I did my video. [82:08] Is it coming up next? Yeah, it's coming [82:10] up real. Yeah, it's coming up next. [82:11] Okay. This will be where we reveal his [82:13] his number one trick how he makes these [82:16] fake notes. [82:21] It was the 15th. [82:23] I was 7 minutes away. I said he'd [82:26] release it the next day. Well, the next [82:28] day he puts out this post of [82:33] all these names that he's going to [82:35] release. And he said he had more to add. [82:38] That's why he's releasing it the next [82:40] day. At least that's how I understand [82:44] it. Okay, that was the the prophecy and [82:49] the threat, right? Um [82:53] I spoke to multiple witnesses who are [82:55] genuinely afraid of Chris. Um when you [82:57] have a guy who wields for some you just [82:59] you just dismiss him. Oh, he's a [83:00] prophet. Okay, but imagine if you [83:02] believe that that guy might actually be [83:04] a prophet and he speaks to you in God's [83:06] name threats like the following. That [83:08] would terrify you. This would cause you [83:09] to lose sleep. This would cause you to [83:10] be afraid for your children, the safety [83:12] of your own relatives. Um, that's what [83:14] he does. He is a He is a prophetic [83:16] terrorist. He's a fake prophet and a [83:18] prophetic terrorist. That's what I will [83:19] maintain. And he does this fake note [83:21] thing all the time. He uses it all the [83:24] time. In fact, on his web page, you can [83:26] see I'll show you this. You can see he's [83:29] using this fake note thing right now. [83:32] Um, although maybe he'll edit it after I [83:33] put this video up. Who knows? But here [83:35] it is. This is on his actual web pages. [83:37] I just did a screen grab where he has [83:39] three different notes where they're all [83:40] iPhone notepad things and they're all [83:42] dated at the top to before events [83:44] happened. Now, he always shows us these [83:47] notes after the events happen, but the [83:50] notes are dated to before the events [83:52] happening. And you trust, okay, well, [83:54] that's probably real, isn't it? So, I [83:56] made one. This is how easy this trick [83:58] is. You go into your phone and you go to [84:01] the settings and you change the date and [84:03] time. You change the date and time to [84:06] before today, sometime in the past. Then [84:09] you add whatever you want into that [84:12] thing. You you can say set the date to [84:15] any date you want and make up any fake [84:18] prophecy you want. I'll give you an [84:19] example of how I did this. Okay? And I'm [84:21] going to hold it up to the screen here [84:22] so you can see it really is real. I'll [84:24] hold it up to the camera rather. This is [84:25] from 2016. [84:28] 10 years ago, I prophesied. Okay, so [84:31] check this out right there. See the top [84:33] of the screen? January 14th, 2016, 11:38 [84:37] p.m. 10 years from now, Chris Reed will [84:39] fake a prophecy about Mike Winger. He'll [84:41] do this by changing the date in his [84:43] iPhone so that his note will appear to [84:45] be prior to the events he pretends to [84:46] prophesy about. He will wear a royal [84:48] blue shirt and cry. What? It's It's not [84:51] just a a Photoshop. This is like an [84:54] actual note. I could edit the note. In [84:56] fact, I'll do it right now. I edit the [84:58] note and I'll save it. And guess what? [85:02] It just changed dates. Now it's February [85:04] 22nd, 2026. [85:07] Proof. Undeniable proof. Chris tells me [85:10] there's been documentaries on his notes, [85:12] on his his notes, which can't be faked [85:14] according to him. I tried to call him [85:17] out on this on Facebook, and I'm going [85:18] to show you guys the exchange. Once you [85:20] see it for what it is, listen, this will [85:22] stop people from being afraid of this [85:23] guy. I'm confident of it, because when [85:25] you realize how fake it is, you're like, [85:26] "Oh my gosh, this is like seeing the the [85:28] Wizard of Oz behind the curtain is what [85:31] it's like." So, here we go. Put this on [85:33] your screen. Chris Reed in the video [85:36] that I just showed you where he puts up [85:38] the notepad. I put a comment on that [85:40] video on Facebook. I said, "Check out my [85:42] prophecy from 10 years ago." The fake [85:44] note prophecy is easy. I believe this is [85:46] what Chris did in his video and he's [85:48] done it many times before. What hubris. [85:50] And I put it right there. You know, 10 [85:52] years from now, Chris blah blah blah. [85:53] Chris actually responded. Now, you [85:55] notice there's no likes because I'm [85:56] hidden on his on his Facebook page, but [85:58] he can see it. and he replied. He says, [86:01] "Uh, Mike Winger, great. Can you scroll [86:03] up and down and show it's an actual [86:04] note? I've had documentaries done [86:06] showing my note app and how it pulls up [86:08] and down uh timestamped prophecies all [86:12] while and while we're at it, I told you [86:14] we were taking we were talking in my [86:16] studio through Zoom and on my laptop." [86:18] Okay, this is a recording issue. I'll [86:19] come back to that later. All right, so [86:21] our conversation continues and here [86:22] Chris puts a video and in that video [86:25] he's moving the notepad up and down. I [86:27] can't play it now because he deleted [86:29] this whole post. But but in this video, [86:31] he does that. Now I respond [86:34] with my own video. He puts his video, I [86:37] put my video, and I can't play it here [86:40] because after I did, I made a video of [86:42] me moving it up and down to show it's [86:43] the same as his. He immediately deleted [86:45] this entire thread. Our conversation [86:46] here no longer exists. [86:49] I've showed you guys uh that I can in [86:51] fact reproduce the same thing, and you [86:53] could, too. It's very easy. It's it's [86:54] not a difficult prophecy thing to fake [86:56] at all. It's very simple and easy. That [87:00] is how easy it is for this guy to do his [87:03] stick because discernment has been [87:06] squashed in the movement and [87:08] accountability doesn't exist. Because [87:10] when a leader goes south or does [87:12] something wrong, it stays as quiet as [87:13] humanly possible. And when you have [87:15] things like fraudulent ministry, you [87:17] have to rebuke them in the presence of [87:18] all. Like scripture says, you have to do [87:20] what Matthew 18 says in the third step [87:22] where you tell it to the brethren. [87:23] There's a warning that has to go out [87:25] when you have this kind of egregious [87:27] type of sin going on. [87:33] Now, I want to be clear the reason why [87:34] I'm sharing some of these things here. [87:36] Um cuz some I I fear may not fully [87:40] immediately see the need to expose this [87:43] kind of thing. Um, Chris is lying in the [87:46] name of God, but he's also just lies [87:47] about random stuff. He lies about the [87:50] sin that he's committed. He lies about [87:52] people and individuals and the things [87:54] that they're doing. to show this pattern [87:56] of deception is going to be important [87:58] because as I show how he contributed to [88:01] oh basically making a pastor's life very [88:04] rough and difficult and devastating and [88:06] also contributed to the death of one of [88:10] his friends because of a fake prophecy. [88:13] This track record of lies that I'm [88:15] showing you is significant and important [88:16] in helping establish these things [88:18] because it must be known that Chris Reed [88:20] should never ever be in ministry in any [88:22] way, shape or form in the future. He [88:25] cannot be trusted. You can't trust a man [88:27] like this. You cannot trust a man like [88:29] this. Not with leadership, not with [88:31] spiritual authority. That can't ever [88:33] happen. He needs to be done forever. [88:36] Period. And if any way, shape or form [88:38] he's in ministry, it's a travesty uh [88:40] upon the church uh to his own ministry [88:43] people and to the name of Christ. Um so [88:47] one of his lies to me, this was a big [88:48] one. And the reason it was big is [88:51] because a number of people have told me [88:54] Chris Reed will bring down the wrath of [88:56] God upon himself. He will say, "God, [88:59] strike me. God, kill my wife and [89:01] children if I'm lying to you." He will [89:03] say things like this, crazy stuff like [89:05] that, and then lie. [89:08] So, this is when someone lies a lot, [89:09] they start doing really big oaths. This [89:12] is why Jesus says, "Let your let your [89:13] yes be yes and your no be no." Because [89:15] when people have these giant O's they [89:17] bring out, it's because they're not [89:18] trustworthy. And so they try to up the [89:20] ante. So he did this with me. When Chris [89:22] and I met over Zoom on February 11th at [89:25] 10:30 a.m. Pacific time, I had announced [89:29] to people I was going to have a [89:30] conversation with Chris Reid. When I [89:31] announced it, I said what witnesses had [89:33] assured me of that Chris will secretly [89:36] record my meeting with him. I am Mr. [89:38] Transparent with all this stuff. Okay, [89:40] he's going to record it. I know ahead of [89:41] time. I'm just going to treat it like [89:42] it's recorded. Fine. I won't record it, [89:44] but I I expect him to do so. He did not [89:46] like this. And so he in the beginning of [89:48] our discussion, he goes, "Mike, what can [89:50] I do to convince you I'm not recording [89:52] right now." It was very important to him [89:54] to build that level of trust. And I was [89:55] like, "It's not going to happen. I [89:56] already know too much." So he says, "I [89:59] swear to God, may God strike me if I'm [90:02] recording." And I thought, I still don't [90:05] believe him, but wow, what a big thing [90:07] to say. Then in the course of our [90:09] discussion, Chris found it important to [90:12] hold up his phone and show me a picture [90:14] of him and Michael Miller from the [90:16] Remnant Radio who's a friend of mine. [90:19] Um, this is some kind of a credibility [90:21] thing or I don't know exactly what he [90:22] was doing, but he decides to show me [90:24] this thing. Here's a picture of him and [90:25] Michael Miller. If you Now, what what I [90:28] noticed is not the picture. What I [90:29] notice is the reflection of the computer [90:31] screen. And I grabbed a quick snip. I [90:35] grabbed a screenshot of this uh which is [90:37] not recording the conversation, but I [90:39] did that. And you can see here, it's a [90:40] little difficult to make out, but those [90:42] are those are sound bars. Those are [90:44] sound levels, and they were going up and [90:46] down the way that they are on my other [90:48] screen over here because I'm recording. [90:50] They were going up and down, and I [90:52] thought, h what an interesting thing. I [90:55] also got another screenshot that shows [90:57] that there's they're in color here. [90:59] They're actually he's showing his [91:00] vision. They're in color here. And this [91:03] screenshot shows that this recording was [91:05] active or that the event was active. [91:07] Now, I asked for help. I went to the [91:09] interwebs and I said, "Hey, Twitter, uh, [91:12] can you guys help me with this? I'd like [91:14] to know what recording software this [91:16] is." And people obliged. I went ahead [91:19] and took that camera shot I had, that [91:21] screenshot. I reversed the image so you [91:23] could read it. Actually says camera 5 [91:25] here. And I said, "Someone help me find [91:26] out what software this is." And I did [91:28] get help. People helped me track it [91:30] down. Thank you, Twitter people. Um, I [91:32] also took a screenshot of his setup. I [91:34] go, he uses this setup. Maybe this [91:36] keyboard thing. This, it'll tell you [91:38] what kind of software he's using to [91:40] record. Turns out it does. He's using [91:44] this software here, ATM or Adam or Atom [91:48] uh, Extreme Mini Extreme. This is the [91:50] device he's using to record. And [91:52] somebody on the internet recreated the [91:56] image themselves. Thank you, Benjamin, [91:57] for doing this. I do appreciate it. [92:00] Benjamin was able to recreate the exact [92:02] same look using the exact same system. [92:06] Okay. All that to say, Chris, logically [92:10] speaking, he was recording our meeting. [92:12] That's why the sound levels were going [92:13] up and down. That's why my voice going [92:15] into his system was causing sound levels [92:17] on his system to go up and down because [92:20] he had his recording software out and [92:21] open. Now, you might think, but maybe he [92:24] wasn't actually recording. Maybe Chris [92:25] didn't hit record because he did say, [92:27] "God, strike me dead if I'm recording." [92:30] That seems unlikely for the following [92:32] reason. At the very end of our call, [92:34] after an hour and 45 minutes or so of me [92:36] just listening to Chris go on and on and [92:39] on and tell his version of every event [92:41] he can think, uh, often not true things. [92:44] After all of that, I told him, "I know [92:47] you lied to me. I know that you're [92:48] recording. I have a screenshot that [92:50] shows your recording software." He [92:52] immediately picked up his phone. He he [92:55] showed me the reflection. He could sense [92:57] what I was doing, I think, immediately. [92:58] And he showed me the reflection again, [93:00] except this time the recording software [93:02] was gone. What does all that mean? Well, [93:05] if the recording software was there, but [93:06] you were never recording with it. You [93:08] would just be like, "Let me show you. [93:09] I'll put the camera on. You can look see [93:11] the software, but it's not engaged. It's [93:13] not recording." And you could you could [93:14] lie about that, too. You can just hit a [93:16] button. But instead, he shows me the [93:18] screen and it's gone. Meaning, he [93:20] removed the evidence very, very quickly. [93:22] Again, he lied. Why is that important? [93:26] Because there are many people who've [93:27] been told things in the name of God. [93:29] Chris threatened um Rick Joiner in the [93:31] name of God, right? He was acting [93:33] president, but Chris didn't like this in [93:35] Morning Star. He wanted to be full-on [93:37] complete authority president in every [93:38] way, shape, and form without Chris [93:39] looming over him. So, he prophesied that [93:42] if Chris didn't give him full authority, [93:44] God was going to kill him within the [93:45] year. That's what I'm talking about. [93:47] That's that's the prophetic terrorism [93:48] we're talking about. [93:51] That call ended poorly. I told Chris he [93:54] was a blight upon the name of Christ. I [93:57] told him he was a liar and I didn't [93:58] trust him and that I knew several things [94:00] that he said were not true because I [94:02] knew more than I revealed to him. And I [94:05] terminated the call. Um I recall telling [94:07] him, "Chris, you're done." Um [94:11] that same day, Chris does a live stream. [94:15] I'm going to play some clips, a [94:16] significant amount from that live [94:17] stream. [94:19] Then we will move soon to Pastor Alan [94:23] Hawkins and he's going to tell the story [94:24] of Chris and how Chris um contributed to [94:27] the death of a of a man through fake [94:30] prophecy. So here is that stream. [94:38] So after our call, I think Chris was a [94:40] little riled up. Um I don't think I lost [94:42] my cool. Um, I spoke firmly to him and [94:47] let him know exactly what I thought. Um, [94:50] that was appropriate to rebuke a man who [94:51] was lying for an hour and 45 minutes, [94:53] deceiving in the name of God, trying to [94:55] get away with continued abuses, lying [94:57] about his victim, this woman who he [94:59] clearly tried to seduce and uh, all this [95:01] other stuff. So, after that, he was [95:04] pretty riled up. He's pretty upset. He [95:06] immediately does a stream called Lilach [95:08] Has Two Daughters. And this is from that [95:11] stream. I'm gonna go ahead and put it on [95:13] your guys' screen and you can see for [95:14] yourselves the kind of treatment this is [95:18] the kind of treatment you get from Chris [95:19] Reid from prophets from big big- time [95:22] prophets in the movement when you cross [95:24] them or when you threaten them that you [95:26] might expose them. They do this to you. [95:28] This is what Mike Bickl did. Mike Bickl [95:30] gave prophecies threatening uh a woman [95:32] in the congregation to keep her silent. [95:34] This is what they do. or they give uh [95:36] Bill Johnson just tweeted out the other [95:38] day a uh a post that characterized the [95:42] people who were who were asking for [95:44] accountability inside Bethl and for [95:46] Bethl uh as people who are trying to [95:48] kill him with stones like you you get [95:50] this kind of treatment [95:51] >> and I'm concerned about a spirit of [95:54] cannibalism [95:56] that has entered into the church and the [95:59] religious spirit looks a whole lot like [96:02] the spiritual side of a person. They [96:06] they're they almost look identical. [96:09] >> So when you say that there's a spirit of [96:11] cannibalism, and you'll see clearly this [96:13] is in response to me and those who would [96:14] who would uh be coming against Chris [96:16] right now because he deserves it. When [96:18] you say that they have a spirit of [96:19] cannibalism, all of these kinds of [96:21] accusations are always hypocritical, [96:23] right? When you accuse people of having [96:24] a spirit of cannibalism, that is itself [96:26] a cannibalistic activity based upon your [96:28] own definition. When you accuse them [96:30] having religious spirit and attacking [96:32] and defaming, that is of course [96:33] attacking and defaming. And by your own [96:35] definition, a religious spirit. What we [96:37] need to do is focus on truth, not who's [96:39] labeling accusations, right? Because the [96:41] accusation itself is not true or is not [96:43] good or bad unless it is established as [96:45] true or false. In this case, his or [96:48] false. And the ones I'm bringing are [96:49] true. But I'm going to tell you right [96:51] now, there are things happening in this [96:53] world. Sometimes I let me just be frank [96:56] with you. You have to almost sometimes [97:00] detach from media [97:03] and especially [97:05] social media. [97:07] This is something I've seen commonly. Um [97:10] Todd White did this recently asking [97:12] people to uh get off social media. [97:14] There's others as well. Get off social [97:16] media. Um at Boschaf, who I just did a [97:19] video on him. Uh, I think this was [97:21] before my video, but but he was [97:22] criticizing social media for commenting [97:24] against his ministry and his his stuff [97:27] that he's got this wrong. And so they've [97:29] cut off all comments on social media. [97:31] The censoring of social media [97:35] is very consistent. And the warnings [97:36] about getting off of social media that [97:38] often happens nowadays with the fake [97:40] profits because if they usually can't [97:43] control the thinking of people online, [97:46] just the ones in the room. Sometimes [97:49] there's a need for that detaching from [97:51] it because you can get so [97:55] sucked in. [97:57] Speaking of a leech, you can get so [98:00] sucked in with just, you know, [98:04] all these just different controversies [98:06] and things that are going around and all [98:08] of the it's, you know, the obvious [98:11] things that are happening right now. [98:13] It's like sometimes you have to detach [98:16] from that and connect to the infusion [98:18] source. [98:20] >> I mean obviously you want to be mindful [98:23] personally I don't follow everything on [98:24] social media that's going on and I agree [98:26] with that in principle. The application [98:28] is the question. Um there's plenty of [98:29] things you guys you guys debate and [98:31] discuss and I'm like I haven't even [98:32] looked into that. I don't intend to. I [98:34] just don't try to follow every single [98:35] thing that's going on in the world. [98:37] But the application of course has to do [98:40] with, let's be real, Mike Winger. He [98:43] doesn't want people to be exposed. If [98:45] I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I will recant [98:46] anything I've said. I will publicly [98:48] apologize. I'll make a video championing [98:50] your stellar character, Chris, and how [98:51] what an amazing and true prophet you [98:53] are. I would be willing to do that, but [98:56] it'd have to be true. And that's the [98:58] thing you don't want. You don't want [98:59] them people to even think about the [99:00] truth. You just want them to submit to [99:02] your shenanigans because you are you are [99:05] a mediocre mentalist masquerading as a [99:08] prophet. Our words, you got to be [99:12] careful. Guard your words because [99:15] speaking against someone, this is why [99:19] I'm I plead with you. Be careful. I'm [99:22] not trying to control your life, but [99:25] just all of this social media stuff of [99:28] people attacking other Christians, it's [99:31] spiritual cannibalism. [99:33] Of course, when you say that, you're [99:35] attacking a bunch of people just without [99:37] naming names, just keeping it very [99:38] vague. [99:40] >> Paul warned about he warned the church [99:42] about biting and devouring one another. [99:45] >> Totally true. Don't bite and devour one [99:47] another. Also, kick that guy out of the [99:50] church. That's 1 Corinthians 5. Paul [99:51] said that, didn't he? Uh Jesus, let him [99:53] be to you as a tax collector and a [99:55] sinner. Jesus Jesus said that there are [99:57] times for accountability, right, Chris? [100:00] You should be kicked out of the church [100:01] for sure. [100:04] We're there. [100:07] The spirit of deception is running [100:09] rampant right now and we're biting and [100:12] devouring one another. [100:14] I [100:15] >> there's another thing here which is they [100:17] always elevate what's happening to them [100:19] personally as if it's about the whole [100:21] church like globally um there is [100:23] accountability happening inside [100:24] charismatic churches to a degree right [100:26] now what's really happening right now is [100:28] not actually not so much accountability [100:30] as is awareness accountability has yet [100:32] to come accountability to pastor Steve [100:35] Wit of Bethl Cleveland for false pro [100:37] fake prophecy false prophecy um that [100:39] isn't happening um he had a closed [100:41] meeting at his church said that his [100:43] prophecy was actually accurate He just [100:44] he just named their own governor. Uh [100:46] totally not true. Totally not true. Then [100:48] they silence social media. They're they [100:50] they silence some of their own members [100:52] from trying to ask questions and and not [100:54] just ask questions, but but in but make [100:56] claims like, "Hey, this this is wrong. [100:58] We need accountability." [101:00] There's awareness at Bethl of what's [101:02] going on. They've just pulled Ben [101:03] Armstrong down after public videos were [101:06] made showing that he it looks like he [101:08] did something very illegal and wrong and [101:10] groomy. Um, I won't get into it here, [101:13] but with uh with someone under his uh [101:15] pastoral care, [101:18] I won't get into that. There's more [101:20] there's more to that story that's not [101:21] good. But, um, yeah, he's pulled down, [101:23] but but has there been actual [101:25] accountability amongst the leadership [101:26] for the things? No, I don't think so. [101:28] Um, I think that Bill Johnson knew about [101:30] Shambles years before he says he did, [101:32] before they say he did, and that it [101:35] wasn't an accident or an oops, just like [101:37] he went and wrote the forward to Chris [101:39] Reed's book. [101:41] So, there's awareness, but not yet [101:43] accountability. Just want to point that [101:44] out. [101:45] >> See elders in the faith that I have [101:47] great love and respect for maybe haven't [101:50] always done everything perfect, but [101:53] they're being taken hostage in their own [101:55] ministry right now. That's what a cover [101:58] up goon would say about accountability. [102:00] You'd think that's being taken hostage [102:02] in your own ministry. But guess what? [102:04] It's not yours. I I don't own my [102:05] ministry. If it's really ministry, it's [102:07] the Lord's. And I can be held [102:10] accountable and even removed from it. [102:11] That that's that needs to be in place. [102:14] >> And it's the church has got to rise up [102:17] in courage. Let your feet be shaw with [102:19] the gospel of peace. What does that [102:21] mean? That means Holy Spirit, don't let [102:24] my feet go anywhere. um or be around [102:27] people or be around environments that [102:31] don't bring me peace. If the peace can't [102:34] stay shodd to your feet, [102:37] then don't go there. [102:38] >> Okay, this seems like a weird tangent, [102:40] but it's not. He's actually going to be [102:42] talking here about his conversation with [102:43] me earlier just a couple hours before [102:45] this video, and he'll say, "Uh, I [102:47] shouldn't have had that conversation, [102:48] basically." But this is a misuse of [102:51] scripture, right? Having your feet feet [102:53] shot with the gospel of peace is is [102:55] about I'm bringing the gospel of [102:58] reconciliation with God through Christ, [102:59] his death and resurrection, his atoning [103:01] his atoning sacrifice for my sin. I'm [103:04] bringing that to the world, right? I [103:05] have the gospel that I'm carrying with [103:07] me wherever I go. That's what it means. [103:09] It does not mean I have a sense of [103:10] internal peacefulness no matter what I'm [103:12] doing. That is not what it means. Jesus [103:14] did not have that sense of internal [103:16] peace. not in not in the way he's [103:17] describing when he was in the garden of [103:19] Gethsemane and he was sweating great [103:21] drops of blood and he was like my I'm [103:22] sorrowful to the point of death and he [103:24] was pleading let this cup pass from me [103:27] right so that kind of peace you [103:29] shouldn't as a Christian expect that all [103:31] the time it's okay if you don't have [103:32] that all the time we have faith that can [103:34] sustain us we have we hope for peace but [103:38] we don't always have emotional peace and [103:40] it's okay [103:41] >> the Lord rebuked me today I'm just going [103:44] to be transparent with you I did not [103:47] follow my peace on a specific situation. [103:50] I you know and sometimes when you don't [103:53] follow your peace, peace has to be your [103:56] guide. I'm not saying that there aren't [103:58] times that you have to rise up in [104:00] courage and and fight back against [104:02] cancel culture and and and the cancel [104:05] culture, the MeToo movement that is [104:07] infiltrated the church right now. And [104:13] Brian Simmons [104:15] said that what was happening with the [104:17] Passion translation when I hired [104:18] scholars, they reviewed it on their own [104:20] accord. They came to the conclusion that [104:22] it was problematic and they all [104:24] unanimously were like, "This is not [104:25] good. This is a bad translation." Um, [104:28] when I did that to try to help rescue [104:30] the church from a manipulative, [104:31] distorted version of the Bible that's [104:34] serving the purposes of Brian Simmons [104:35] and propagating theology that is not [104:37] present in scripture. Um, he said it was [104:40] cancel culture. Sound familiar? What we [104:43] need to rise up against is cancel [104:44] culture, right? This isn't cancel [104:46] culture, man. We're not canceling you [104:48] because you offended people. It's not [104:49] like you you you said an off-color joke [104:52] one time and now you're you're your [104:54] whole ministry is ruined. No, man. [104:55] You're a fake prophet. You manipulate [104:57] people. You you sexually seduce people [104:59] under your pastoral care. You're you're [105:02] satanic in your behaviors. So, yeah, [105:05] you're you're you should be done. You're [105:06] done. You should be done from ministry. [105:09] Period. That's not cancel culture. [105:11] That's biblical accountability. [105:13] >> Yes, I am for standing up for advocates [105:16] of any kind of abuse. Please, for the [105:19] love of goodness sake, don't take me out [105:21] of context. I'm just simply saying there [105:23] are some people who have become [105:26] bloodthirsty. [105:30] >> He means me. and and they feel they have [105:33] been given authority to address the [105:36] entire body of Christ. Even the Apostle [105:39] Paul recognized the limits of his [105:41] spiritual authority. [105:42] >> Okay, we'll talk about Apostle Paul in a [105:43] second because let's do the Bible study [105:45] here together. Um uh I do not have [105:47] authority over the body of Christ. What [105:49] I've said from the beginning is this. I [105:51] think that Christians inside of Chris's [105:54] church, inside of Bethl, inside of [105:56] Morning Star, inside Jesus image, inside [105:59] IHOP, and inside charismatic churches or [106:01] even non-carismatic churches, if they [106:03] just knew about some of the fraud and [106:06] the abuses and the ungodliness that was [106:08] happening amongst their leaders. I think [106:10] most churches are good, by the way. I [106:12] hope that that's true. But there's many [106:15] that are that are seriously problematic [106:17] amongst the leadership. And if they just [106:20] knew it, they would deal with it [106:21] themselves. Cuz I have not exerted a [106:23] single ounce of authority on any church [106:25] in the charismatic world. I have [106:27] appealed to the people to hold their own [106:29] leaders accountable. And that has been [106:31] what has what is happening. And that's [106:33] why something isffect is effective in [106:35] all of this. It's Bethl has some small [106:38] bit amount of accountability now. Not [106:40] not enough to be honest, not remotely [106:42] enough. Not not even honest [106:44] accountability in some cases yet. But [106:46] that what they do have is purely because [106:48] the people there are asking for it, not [106:50] because of Mike Winger. All I did was [106:52] help them see what was there. He wrote [106:55] twothirds of the New Testament. And yet [106:58] there are some people that think they [107:00] are judge, jury, and executioner and [107:02] from the other side of the world or the [107:04] other side of the country determine [107:06] whether or not you remain true to your [107:09] calling and stay true to who God has [107:11] called you to be. [107:13] >> So I'm not judge, jury, and executioner. [107:15] Um, I am called to use discernment. I am [107:17] called to be steward well the the people [107:19] who come to me and the people who hear [107:20] me like yourself. Um, the influence I [107:22] have over o over your life in some way. [107:24] I'm very much accountable to God for [107:26] that. But I'm not jury and executioner, [107:29] right? Cuz I don't actually have the [107:30] power to pull Chris Reed out of [107:32] anything. If anything happens to him, [107:34] it's because his own people ask for it. [107:35] It's because they demand biblical [107:38] justice and appropriate behavior. And [107:39] who does it come from? Paul the Apostle. [107:41] The same guy he appeals to. As if Paul [107:44] wouldn't say that guy's evil, pull him [107:46] out. He calls it Judaizers wicked. Says [107:49] he wishes they would cut themselves off [107:52] innuendo, right? He says this about guys [107:54] that are not part of his ministry. He [107:56] says this about them. He goes to [107:57] Jerusalem, not a church he's planted, [107:59] and he has a debate there with the [108:00] leaders to insist that there is um some [108:05] precedent for the full grace of the [108:07] gospel of Christ in people's lives. Paul [108:10] didn't do whatever Chris readed thinks [108:12] Paul did. Um, he wrote in 1 Timothy [108:14] 5:20, "The elder who is sinning, rebuke [108:18] in the presence of all that the rest [108:19] also may fear." Paul wrote that. That's [108:22] what that's what I'm following there. So [108:24] Chris is just making stuff up. No, [108:27] that's what the leech wants to suck out [108:29] of you, the joy of the Lord. And and if [108:32] the leech sucks blood out of you, the [108:35] leech gets bigger and bigger and bigger [108:36] and noticeable and more noticeable and [108:38] more noticeable and it sucks the [108:41] strength from you. Well, what is the joy [108:42] of the Lord? Your [108:44] >> Okay, so there's some weird tangent here [108:46] about like [108:49] basically I'm making him feel bad. I [108:50] think so. I'm a leech. [108:52] >> Strength. Some of you have no idea right [108:54] now the battles that I'm waging behind [108:57] the scenes of of of of [109:01] the spiritual cannibalism in the church. [109:04] And I'm not talking about in friends of [109:06] the bridegroom church. I'm talking about [109:08] in the church. [109:09] >> That's the name of his local church, [109:11] Friends of the Bridegroom. But he's [109:12] talking about me [109:15] >> church abroad. [109:16] And there are many leaders that will not [109:19] stop stand up to this cancel culture. [109:23] I'm not talking about c I'm not talking [109:25] about, you know, protecting abusers. [109:28] That's not what I'm talking about. [109:30] >> It's absolutely what you're talking [109:31] about. [109:32] >> But but just bloodthirsty. [109:37] Bloodthirsty. [109:40] And this is a time for [109:43] courage. [109:45] Like [109:46] >> imagine if he wasn't talking about me [109:48] and he was talking about one of his [109:49] congregants. Cuz he has done this. [109:51] Someone in the congregation goes, [109:52] "Chris, [109:54] you have a drug problem. You need to [109:56] step down. You need some time to heal. [109:58] We're supporting you. We want to get you [109:59] accountability. We need to get you in a [110:01] program. We got to get you some help." [110:02] Right? They care about him. They're [110:03] trying to have a path for him to even [110:05] stay in ministry long term. And then he [110:09] can give a message like this. Some [110:11] people are bloodthirsty and everybody [110:13] knows. In fact, he'll look right at him. [110:15] I know this from a witness. He'll he'll [110:17] he'll have a statement like this. [110:19] Bloodthirsty just spirit of Jezebel. [110:22] Look right at him in the church. [110:25] That's why that's why he has to be [110:28] stopped. He's a terrorist. no other. If [110:30] if attack and critique uh comes from [110:34] people with large platforms again, why [110:37] would they attack somebody unless they [110:40] feel threatened or attacked by you know [110:42] what I'm saying? It's like my lord. [110:45] >> So I don't feel attacked or threatened. [110:46] Uh no, I I think that the church is [110:48] threatened by you, Chris Reed. I think [110:50] that if nobody says anything, you're [110:51] going to end up the leader of Morning [110:52] Star in another 6 weeks or 6 months or [110:55] whatever. They'll bring you right back [110:56] in. And if it's not there, it'll be [110:58] it'll be IHOP. Um or you'll take over [111:00] for Sid Roth and and you will continue [111:03] to infect and harm and hurt the church [111:06] while you groom women on the side and [111:07] you make up prophecies and you terrorize [111:09] people. This is easy, man. You're evil. [111:11] So, I want you to be stopped. [111:13] >> Have mercy. There's got to be there's [111:17] got to be somebody that steps up and [111:19] says, "I'm not going to to bow down." I [111:23] ask the Lord today [111:25] because there is this person, it's not [111:28] anybody that has ever attended our [111:30] church ever. [111:32] I asked the Lord today. [111:35] I said, "Lord, would you please remove [111:37] this person out of my side? [111:41] They don't even know me. [111:47] They're making judgments from afar. [111:50] Spiritual vampires are a real thing. [111:54] Sorry guys, it's so obnoxious. It's so [111:57] over the top that once you realize what [111:59] he's doing, but he'll never use my name [112:01] and he'll try to keep it vague. And the [112:03] people who are under that spell, they're [112:04] under his spell. They don't see it. So [112:06] hopefully this helps them see it. I've [112:08] given you examples of his lies cuz he's [112:10] done this to your friends. He's done [112:11] this to your family. He's done this to [112:12] that guy who left the church and that [112:13] you thought was evil and he was actually [112:16] he was actually the guy being wounded by [112:17] by Chris, you know. Um, so yeah. [112:22] >> So today I asked the Lord, I said, [112:24] "Lord, [112:26] this is nobody that's ever went to FOTB [112:28] or Morning Star or anything like that, [112:30] any ministries I've led or or [112:32] >> just hours after we talked, couple [112:33] hours, 3 hours after we finished our [112:35] call, [112:36] >> the Ark in in Indiana, [112:39] any of the the the churches that I've [112:41] pastored, I I asked the Lord, please [112:43] remove this person out of my sight." You [112:45] know what he said to me? [112:47] I've heard I'd heard this before, but I [112:50] hadn't heard of him. He immediately [112:52] spoke back into my spirit. He said, [112:54] "Okay, [112:56] who do you want me to replace him with?" [113:00] I thought of the words of Paul when he [113:02] said, "I sought the Lord three times [113:04] that he would remove this messenger from [113:08] Satan." It's a person, a messenger sent [113:12] from Satan. [113:14] >> He calls me the accuser. [113:16] So um [113:21] it's the pyotistic humble brag of like [113:24] oh it was like Paul I said Lord please [113:26] remove him and the Lord said you know my [113:28] grace is sufficient kind of thing. He's [113:30] he's paralleling himself with Paul the [113:32] Apostle. I'm trying to follow what Paul [113:34] wrote. I'm certainly not parallel with [113:35] him in any way. Uh but anyway that's [113:38] that's Chris Reed. Chris Reed, he's just [113:41] like the Apostle Paul and I'm like a [113:42] messenger of Satan. [113:44] >> Sent to buffet me just just a constant [113:47] attack, criticism, attack, attack. [113:52] And he said, "My grace is sufficient for [113:54] you. My strength is made perfect in your [113:56] weakness." [113:57] Complete lie. God never said that. [113:59] You're a liar. You're lying in the name [114:00] of God. You're blaspheing his name. The [114:02] curses you've asked God to bring down [114:04] upon you will eventually come down upon [114:05] you in God's timing because you don't [114:07] control him. Um, or you could repent. [114:10] And I hope you do, Chris. I hope you I [114:12] hope you repent. Your track record says [114:14] you won't. Um, but that doesn't mean you [114:16] can't. You can repent. But repentance, [114:19] you'll repent like it's a negotiation [114:21] unless you have a truly broken heart. [114:23] And that's what you need. I'm telling [114:25] you right now, listen here. You better [114:27] hear me now. Listen to me carefully and [114:31] you'll know I have stirred up a [114:34] religious devil today. [114:38] that I don't think I have ever seen [114:43] a more of religious devil. I mean, we're [114:45] advancing to the end, folks. [114:48] >> He's really puffing me up here, man. [114:51] I am the most devily religious devil to [114:54] ever exist. I am a messenger of Satan. [114:57] He stirred me up today. Um, [115:02] and um, I'm just thinking, no, this is [115:05] worth talking about because there's a a [115:06] strong connection to Bethl and Morning [115:08] Star and Mike Bickl and all of this [115:09] overall coverup culture stuff. And [115:11] here's a case where I have numerous [115:12] witnesses who've come forward to me. And [115:14] to be honest, the trigger thing for me [115:16] making this video was when I saw some of [115:18] Chris's own people who I won't put on [115:20] screen, but who went on Facebook and [115:22] went public saying, "We love Chris, but [115:24] he's guys, he's really dark. It's really [115:26] bad. He needs to be pulled out of [115:27] ministry." and they try to do the right [115:29] thing and then Chris started attacking [115:30] them and threatening them and then I [115:32] thought, [115:34] well, I'll put myself in the bullseye [115:36] instead of them. How's that sound? And [115:37] so here's cuz he can't touch me anyways, [115:40] right? I'm not local. It doesn't affect [115:41] my life for Chris to say whatever he [115:43] wants about me. I'm not I'm not messing [115:46] around. I stirred up a religious devil [115:48] today. [115:52] I have never seen demonic rage [115:57] from an individual [116:00] over something over just something that [116:04] wasn't even like valid. I challenge [116:06] Chris Reed to release the recording. [116:09] Release the recording, Chris. You've got [116:11] it. Show them my demonic rage, Chris. [116:14] Show them my demonic rage. play the full [116:16] clip at least the end of our our [116:17] discussion where I got in your face and [116:21] I said you're done and I said you're a [116:23] blight upon the name of Christ which you [116:25] are [116:26] show them the recording [116:31] the prophetic is always being chased by [116:34] the Jezebel spirit about this time [116:36] tomorrow you are going to be dead Elijah [116:40] like the other prophets [116:44] you you'll you'll probably know about [116:46] it. You'll probably hear about it [116:48] >> cuz I told him I announced to everybody [116:51] I was making a video on Chris Reeds. [116:52] It's been known for like two weeks or [116:54] something. [116:55] >> Maybe you won't, maybe you will. I've [116:57] got a good feeling you will. Uh they [116:59] can't stand it. I've stirred up a [117:02] religious devil. [117:04] >> Okay, that was the response. The leech [117:06] has two daughters and oh man, [117:11] there's other stuff about Chris Reed. [117:12] Before I get into that pastor's [117:14] testimony, very important, Alan Hawkins, [117:15] I'm going to share what he I'm just [117:16] going to play it for you. I might pause [117:18] it once or twice, maybe. I'll just [117:19] probably play it straight through. It's [117:21] like 20 minutes. He's going to share the [117:22] whole story, and you will hear one story [117:25] of the kind of terror and harm and [117:27] damage, long-term human damage that's [117:29] caused when we allow guys like Chris [117:30] Reed to run rampant in the body of [117:32] Christ. When Bill Johnson, when Chris [117:34] Valatin, when Danny Silk, when Dan [117:36] Fairley hear about guys like this and [117:38] they don't put a stop to it, it's [117:40] happened many times. And by the way, 5 [117:42] minutes after their apology about [117:44] Shambles, they could have come out and [117:45] said, "Hey guys, Chris Reed shouldn't be [117:47] trusted. We know that he fakes prophecy. [117:50] They already had the evidence. They [117:51] already had the confrontation in the [117:52] past. They already knew about it. They [117:54] could have done it in a second. And [117:56] maybe they'll do it in response to this [117:57] video and I'm going to say, Bethl, it's [117:59] too late. If you give me a month and I [118:01] make a whole another video and then you [118:03] decide to talk about that one, it's too [118:04] late. Tell us what you know." That was [118:06] my standard of genuine repentance in my [118:08] original Bethl video. Tell us what you [118:10] know that we don't even know about. When [118:12] there are people who are fraudulent, who [118:14] are abusive, who are in power, who [118:16] shouldn't be biblically, you should take [118:18] action now to remove them or at least [118:19] warn about them. Doesn't matter if [118:21] they're on your staff or not, but you [118:23] know about them and you have global [118:24] impact. And instead, Bill Johnson writes [118:27] the forward to his book. [118:33] So, there's other stuff about Chris. Uh [118:35] he talks about how John the apostle [118:37] never died. [118:39] And then he said something to me [118:40] interesting. The angel said [118:43] he has been hidden in the caves of [118:47] Turkey [118:49] and will appear on the scene right [118:53] before the coming of the Lord to help [118:56] the church and the world to understand [118:59] the book of Revelation that he wrote. I [119:02] then woke up [119:05] This is Chris Reed saying John the [119:06] Apostle still alive and angel showed him [119:08] this dude. No. Uh based on what Jesus [119:12] actually said to James and John that [119:13] they would drink the cup of suffering. [119:14] There's biblical biblical case that that [119:16] they died um along with other evidence [119:19] throughout church history uh as well. So [119:22] no, he's not hiding. This is a fake this [119:24] is a fake thing. This is a fake thing. [119:26] He's also got manifest sons of God [119:28] theology [119:29] >> cuz this won't be the last attack or [119:31] storm. The reason I grabbed this clip, [119:33] this is again the the the pro I [119:36] prophesied this video, right? There's [119:37] this blue shirt, the one he cried in. [119:39] Um, [119:41] this is that same video. And here he [119:44] talks about the manifest sons of God [119:45] doctrine, which is which is unbiblical, [119:47] which is a false theology that is very [119:50] much part of this movement. Even though [119:51] a lot of times they don't like talking [119:52] about it, Chris doesn't mind [119:54] acknowledging it [119:54] >> that we ever face. No, they're only [119:57] going to become more intense birth [119:59] pangs. [120:01] as we become closer and closer to see [120:05] the revealing of the manifestation of [120:08] the sons and daughters of God in full [120:11] transfiguration. [120:14] There was even a weird moment in that [120:16] video where Chris implies that I and [120:19] others like me gave Chris pneumonia [120:21] through word curses. [120:24] I can tell you what caused my sickness. [120:31] It was word curses spoken against me [120:34] without the proper intercession that I [120:37] should have been asking for. [120:41] Yes, there's power of life and death in [120:43] the tongue. [120:48] >> Word curses. So many people are [120:50] commenting on events that they're not [120:51] even involved in, have no [120:56] I mean they're not they're not even a [120:58] third party or a fourth party. They just [121:01] are tabloid Christianity because they [121:05] they're not [121:09] they don't have the gift or the talent [121:11] to be on TV. So [121:13] >> I actually forgot that that was part of [121:15] this clip. [121:17] They go on social media and you can [121:19] build a big following if all you do is [121:22] attack other people. Why? Because that [121:25] appeals to the base fallen nature of [121:28] sinful carnal man. [121:31] >> Right? I mean, anybody who follows me [121:33] knows that most of the following, the [121:35] majority of the following I have is has [121:36] nothing to do with these kinds of [121:37] videos. [121:43] It's time for me to show you Pastor Alan [121:44] Hawkins testimony. This pastor, [121:50] it's very sad the things he has to [121:51] share. Very important. Um, I'm just [121:54] going to let him share probably all the [121:56] way through. It's 23 minutes this video [121:58] and it's worth listening to all of it, [122:00] especially the very end. And then I want [122:01] to come back and I have a few little [122:03] more things to share at the end that I [122:05] think are very important because this [122:06] video relates again to coverup culture [122:08] in general. One of the things I want to [122:09] point out that Allan did is Allan went [122:11] to leaders years ago trying to get Chris [122:13] Reid pulled down and it didn't work [122:15] because nobody would help him because [122:16] cover up culture is systemic in the [122:18] movement. I'm sorry to say I met Chris [122:21] Reed in the summer of [122:24] uh 2020 at a conference in Oklahoma City [122:29] and it blew me away. [122:32] I had never seen anything like it. I was [122:34] phasing out of my pastoral ministry. I [122:37] was 66 years old. [122:41] Uh I had had a couple of major staff [122:44] transitions in my church. We were in the [122:47] middle of COVID and I was sitting with a [122:50] a a church that had been a wonderful [122:52] church and is a wonderful church to this [122:54] day, but needed a rebuilding of the [122:57] staff and needed rebuilding uh of the [122:59] congregation. [123:01] And I was burned out and I was frankly [123:05] depressed. I was I was not in good [123:07] mental health and uh so I began I just I [123:12] began telling people that I was going to [123:13] find my way out and um met Chris Reed [123:22] and he began a process of communicating [123:24] with me. All I can tell you is he was [123:27] very very eager to leave Indiana. [123:32] Very eager to leave Indiana. [123:34] and and uh we brought him to my church [123:41] to consider him as a successor, which [123:45] was not wise and was evidence of how [123:49] burned out I was. Uh because he was from [123:52] a different stream. He was more [123:53] Pentecostal. We were um we're probably [123:57] classically third wave um charismatic [124:01] and um [124:04] uh he came to my church, stayed in my [124:06] home. Uh I did do two things to hedge [124:10] myself. One was uh I set up a series of [124:14] meetings where he would be exposed to [124:17] all of my leaders [124:19] and I my leaders knew that we were we [124:21] were vetting him as a possible [124:23] successor. [124:25] Uh and one of my dear friends in [124:27] ministry that I've ministered with for [124:29] 25 years, I brought him or 20 years [124:32] really more like and um I brought him uh [124:36] and I just said I just need different [124:38] eyes on this. I don't trust myself. if [124:40] I'm not healthy, I I just don't trust [124:42] myself. [124:44] Um, he came and ministered uh four four [124:47] sessions [124:49] and and did he did the the thing that [124:53] you see him do. Um, he did it with [124:58] vigor. [125:00] And again, I was I bought it hook, line, [125:04] and sinker. I I just bought it. [125:09] And uh [125:12] I [125:16] I I will be honest with you, this is an [125:18] extremely emotional story for me. [125:21] Um [125:22] I can remember one night [125:26] my wife and I were driving home [125:30] and uh again, nobody knew knew how [125:33] unhealthy I was more than my wife. And I [125:35] I I started weeping on the way home. [125:40] And I said, [125:44] I said, 'Honey, I've never seen anything [125:47] like this. I said, 'If this is the Lord, [125:51] I might have spent my whole life not [125:52] knowing the Lord, cuz I just can't [125:55] believe he does this. I I I just he [125:58] never done anything like that with me. [126:00] And [126:02] at the moment I was both uh sad and at [126:07] the same time like this could be [126:09] amazing. By the end of the weekend I [126:11] realized uh two things. One he was a [126:14] different culture than we were and and [126:17] uh and two he he had different [126:20] theologies than we did. Uh even though [126:23] if I'm honest with you, it was very [126:25] clear by the end of the weekend that he [126:27] had studied my theology and attempted to [126:30] make many points of contact with my [126:32] theology over the weekend. It was [126:35] it was it was kind of a tip off. It was [126:38] didn't feel good. Anyway, I was clear [126:40] that this is not our guy. On the last [126:43] night that he ministered, there was a [126:44] guy in my church who's just kind of a [126:46] good old boy. Uh that's not really a [126:49] great description, but he's a [126:50] downto-earth guy. He's not easily [126:52] impressed with anything. And he got a [126:55] word and his wife was just weeping and [126:58] he was just unmoved. [127:01] And I and I said to him, "What was that? [127:05] What what what you know, tell me about [127:08] that word you got?" And I was in my car [127:10] talking to him on speaker phone, wife in [127:12] the car, and he said, well, he said [127:15] everything that he said was basically [127:17] was based on things that we had spoken [127:19] about in a conversation. He said, none [127:22] of that was was unique. And and that set [127:25] me off. He said, but then there was one [127:26] one other thing that happened. [127:29] He said, a man walked up to me that I've [127:32] never seen in our church. And he said, [127:34] what did what did I think about it? And [127:36] he said, I I said it was okay. It was [127:38] nothing special, but it was okay. And [127:40] the guy said, "Well, I'm a magician [127:44] and I can do what that man did without [127:47] making the mistakes he made." [127:51] And that first of all, THAT WAS LIKE, [127:54] WHOA, CUZ YOU remember watching me has a [127:56] kind of a pen and teller [128:00] effect on how he does this. Do we know [128:01] each other? I ever seen you? Da da da da [128:03] da. He does the thing. His words made me [128:06] think about it. the mistakes he made. [128:09] And there had been two very glaring [128:12] mistakes that he had made. [128:16] And when I thought about them, [128:18] I knew exactly how they happened. [128:22] Well, now I'm kind of feeling, you know, [128:25] in my my stomach a thing. Well, there's [128:27] this one other thing that I did was and [128:29] that that is a I have a very astute man. [128:32] I had a very astute man in my church and [128:34] and he and I were um conversing in the [128:38] backyard in front of the fire pit before [128:41] the meeting and I told him I was really [128:42] worried. [128:44] I said, "I've made some bad decisions in [128:46] the last couple years and I don't trust [128:48] myself anymore." He said, "Do you want [128:50] me to do you want me to vet this guy for [128:53] you?" [128:55] And I said, "Can you do that?" He said, [128:58] 'Yeah, I and he told me what he does for [129:00] a living, which I won't reveal here, but [129:03] he told me he could vet him. And I said, [129:04] 'Well, yeah, I'd like some extra eyes on [129:06] this. And uh so he came to every meeting [129:09] and came to every fellowship and hung [129:11] out with us. [129:13] And [129:15] uh as [129:17] as it turned out, [129:20] he was the first one that got a prof got [129:22] a a word on the first service and the [129:26] man named his address, named his kids' [129:30] birthdays, named you know all these [129:32] things and did it with, you know, does [129:35] such, you know, July the 3rd mean [129:37] anything to you? Does May the 1st mean, [129:39] you know, all those things? And I was [129:41] like, "Oh my goodness, the guy that I [129:42] had, he he gets him first and he gets [129:44] all these things right." [129:47] So the next guy I called was I called [129:49] this guy and I said I said, "What'd you [129:52] think?" And he says, [129:54] "I think you need to ask him a [129:56] question." I said, "Okay." He said, "I [129:59] think you need to ask him how much of [130:00] what he [130:02] said came from natural means and how [130:04] much of it came from supernatural [130:06] means." I think you just ask him. I was [130:09] like, "What? What do you mean? And then [130:11] he told me that as soon as uh I asked [130:14] him to do it, he signed up on social [130:18] media as coming to the event. [130:23] And he said I was the first one to sign [130:25] up. [130:28] And I said, he said, I really don't [130:30] think it's from it was God. And I said, [130:33] how sure are you? He said, 100%. [130:35] Well, I was dumbfounded. [130:41] We quit talking. The next day I called [130:42] him up. I said, ' 100%. He said 100%. [130:46] I said, "How can that be? How can you be [130:48] 100% sure?" He said, "Give me 5 days and [130:50] I'll send you something." I said, [130:52] "Okay." and he went and took the [130:55] ministry session off [130:59] the the service [131:02] and he went person by person and showed [131:05] me where the data was taken from every [131:08] one of them by showing it online after [131:11] the words were given. [131:13] including [131:15] the mistake [131:17] of naming another woman's name as his [131:20] wife [131:22] who [131:24] had the same last name. [131:28] And well then I was just imploding [131:31] inside. And so then what happened was um [131:35] over the next week it just unraveled [131:38] this and and many many eyes saw it and [131:42] and many people caught it. I mean, [131:43] people could tell you where they were [131:45] when he got this information that he was [131:47] gleaning information at the meals times [131:49] and all the things. And so, [131:54] man, so I went from being a guy who was [131:57] um already depressed to a guy that was [131:59] like [132:01] gutted, [132:03] gutted. [132:05] I called him up and I and I just said, [132:07] "Chris, you you're not our guy." I and [132:12] he and we talked a minute. I just said, [132:14] "It's just not a match. You're not a [132:16] match for our church. You're not the [132:17] guy." And he said, "There's something [132:20] else, isn't there?" [132:22] I said, "Yeah." [132:24] He said, "What is it?" I said, "I can't [132:26] talk about it now." And to be honest [132:28] with you, I literally didn't have the [132:31] bandwidth [132:33] to go there because I couldn't prove it [132:36] absolutely. And I'd never had it happen. [132:38] And I just first of all, I couldn't [132:40] believe it had happened. And then second [132:41] of all, I couldn't believe I had done [132:42] that to my church. That the last thing [132:45] I'm going to do after after uh 20 plus [132:49] years of founding that church, the last [132:52] thing I'm going to do is get them [132:53] scammed. [132:55] I was I turned it on myself. [132:58] I completely turned it on myself. [133:02] And uh I functioned that way for the [133:04] next seven months. [133:07] And um during that seven months, I found [133:10] a a fantastic successor who is now still [133:15] the pastor of the church, a ma marvelous [133:17] man, guy named Paul Martini. Um and and [133:22] he's rebuilt the staff, rebuilt the [133:24] church. It's fantastic. It's wonderful. [133:26] Uh but when I installed him, I told him, [133:29] I said, "When we install you as pastor, [133:30] I'm leaving town. I'm I'm going away." [133:34] When I left town, I confronted Chris [133:38] He was angry that I had waited seven [133:42] months to confront him and u you know I [133:46] was embarrassed that I'd waited 7 months [133:48] but to be honest with you I just didn't [133:49] have the strength. So from then till now [133:53] uh I had been through a very very long [133:56] process of trying to get somebody to [133:58] listen to me who had some chops and he [134:03] went straight from us and [134:06] ended up at Morning Star and went to [134:09] IHOP. And I did finally have a [134:12] successful connection with the guys at [134:14] Remnant Radio and they they they fought [134:17] for me over these years. they they uh [134:19] advocated for me, but [134:22] this is hilarious. [134:25] Uh at the time they were like, "We'll [134:27] get Mike Bickl to handle this." And when [134:30] they told me that, even before the Bickl [134:33] episode was revealed, I was like, "Mike [134:35] Bickl is where all all scandals go to [134:38] die." I knew that then. This is not [134:40] going anywhere. [134:43] And now I sound a little um [134:47] look, I'm a I'm a I'm a long veteran of [134:50] church and I am kind of disgusted with [134:54] all that I've seen in the charismatic [134:56] world in the last 20 years. And and I [135:00] think if we don't get some reformation, [135:03] there's no reason that the public should [135:05] listen to us. [135:07] Uh my story with Chris is much more [135:09] detailed than I told you and involves [135:11] many more steps uh including the fact [135:14] that I reached out to him last week and [135:16] said you and I have a conversation that [135:19] is not finished. Um but um I I will tell [135:23] you this much in uh in 2023 [135:31] and everybody who knows me knows this [135:33] story [135:35] in in 2023, [135:38] November the 18th, [135:41] uh my son [135:43] died tragically. [135:45] Uh the next day I found him [135:50] and uh the Bickle thing was exploding at [135:52] that time and it was right about that [135:56] time that that Chris Reed had sort of [135:59] manned the door [136:01] for um [136:04] Bickl when Sam Storms and and and um [136:08] Francis Chan were coming over to see him [136:12] and uh [136:14] I was like, "Please Lord, how's that [136:17] happen?" [136:19] But I was reeling from what I was going [136:22] through. One month later to the day, [136:25] I get a call on my phone from Chris [136:36] from June of 2000 [136:40] when I confronted him and he started a [136:43] process of denying it. [136:46] until December of 2023. [136:50] He was he was in denial about it. By by [136:54] December 2023, the guys at Remnant Radio [136:56] had enough evidence that he was clearly [137:00] guilty [137:03] and he called me. [137:08] I was sitting right over here on my [137:10] couch [137:12] and I was pretty broken. [137:14] And he called me [137:16] and I I and he apologized to me. [137:20] He apologized to me and I and I need you [137:23] to hear this. I said, [137:26] "I can forgive you. I forgive you. [137:30] But we have to have a further discussion [137:32] about this. This is not done. But I'm in [137:35] no shape to have that discussion with [137:37] you tonight. I cannot do it." [137:41] And he actually didn't confess exactly [137:44] what he had done. He just apologized. [137:46] And he apologized with um honestly the [137:49] kind of tears that [137:53] people can produce when they're backed [137:55] in a corner. [137:57] And um [138:02] and I just said, "My son has died and [138:08] you Okay, so you did some bad things. [138:10] I'm I'm I'm dealing with the way I feel [138:12] about why my son died. [138:16] I'm dealing with my own sense of [138:20] personal responsibility about losing my [138:22] son. I don't have any time for bashing [138:26] you around. But this is not finished. We [138:29] have to finish this. [138:31] I being the guy I am, you don't know me, [138:34] but I got off the phone and I said, "Why [138:37] did that guy call me?" [138:41] I got off the phone and I realized that [138:44] the Bickl [138:45] drama had come to a head [138:49] and that and that uh Chris Reed was [138:52] about to be swept into the vortex of um [138:57] of Bickl's own guilt. [139:00] And I found a video that had just been [139:03] released [139:05] that day or the day before [139:08] uh which was uh kind of the first of [139:11] Chris's many many uh belleaguered, [139:15] tearful, broken, disheveled [139:18] uh apologies online. And I and I [139:21] literally I'll be honest with you and [139:23] tell you what I thought. I'm like that [139:26] guy's trying to he's trying to clean up [139:29] his trail. He's about to be his walls [139:32] are about to fall in. So I [139:35] I took the apology in that context [139:40] and [139:42] you know that's that's how that goes. Uh [139:44] but I'm but I'm pursuing a a a [139:47] conversation with him where I want him [139:49] to tell me what he did that he [139:51] apologized for. [139:54] Um, [139:55] I I think his story now is that he was [139:57] entrapped. [139:59] I pled with him. I said I said, "Chris, [140:03] this doesn't have to end in a major [140:05] catastrophe. [140:07] You said you need a father in your life. [140:09] I can come alongside you. We can clean [140:10] this up and you can just stop." [140:18] And I I walked with him for a while [140:20] trying to befriend him. [140:23] Um, [140:26] I know his wife. I don't want to hurt [140:28] Missy. I don't want to, you know. [140:32] And [140:34] and then one night, I couldn't stand it [140:36] any longer. And I sent him a text and [140:37] said, "I need you to tell me directly [140:39] whether you did this or not." [140:42] Called me and he ranged me for an hour. [140:47] It was unbelievable. [140:51] After an hour, [140:53] I said to him, "I've listened to you for [140:55] an hour and there's two things you [140:56] haven't done in this conversation." [141:01] I said, "Number one, you still haven't [141:03] denied it that you did it. You've just [141:06] you've just tried to talk me into a [141:08] corner." And I and I said, "Number two, [141:11] you haven't asked me a single word about [141:14] how I know." [141:18] Well, that flew him into a rage and he [141:20] heranged me for another hour [141:23] and and and [141:26] you're not going to believe this. Well, [141:27] you will believe it maybe. He said, "Uh, [141:29] well, I I uh I do deny it. I didn't do [141:34] it." And then I'll never forget. He said [141:36] this these words. [141:40] if I'm lying, may God strike my wife and [141:44] children dead. [141:49] And I said to him, "Shut up. Shut up. [141:52] Shut up. And listen to me. You have [141:56] moments to repent, to recant those [142:00] words, and to take them back. That is [142:03] the most evil thing I've ever heard. If [142:05] you think that makes me believe you, [142:07] that makes me certain that you're [142:09] guilty." and you need to repent. He [142:11] actually did repent of that um right [142:15] there on the spot [142:17] and and then he went on for a third hour [142:21] heranging me [142:24] and and and tr and trying to back me [142:27] into a corner. Well, I've been a pastor [142:28] a long time and and honestly, I was [142:30] trying to get an outcome. I wanted to [142:32] get an outcome. I at that time he was [142:34] not as publicly evil as he is now. [142:40] That dude, that dude is Listen, that [142:42] dude is is vile. [142:48] You know, I did forgive him, but I want [142:51] him to face the consequences of what [142:53] he's done. [142:56] I don't need any kind of vengeance, but [142:58] I need him to stop. [143:00] And and by stop, I mean that dude should [143:03] be out of the ministry. [143:06] I turned over the video evidence that I [143:08] have to the guys at Remnant. Ben [143:10] Fitzgerald also caught him. [143:13] Anyway, that guy's a snake. [143:20] Spent my whole life loving the church. [143:23] But I will tell you what, that man broke [143:26] me. [143:28] He broke me [143:31] and [143:35] Even just recently, I'm like, why did it [143:37] take you seven months? [143:41] It was because I was so ashamed. [143:45] I was so ashamed that I had loved my [143:49] church so well for all those years. [143:54] And then I brought a devil in. [143:58] We We don't realize how evil this stuff [144:01] is. [144:04] One of my best friends [144:06] received a word from him. [144:34] The cancer was trying to [144:42] strongarm his life. [144:48] God was going to break the spirit of [144:50] cancer off of him. [144:57] Man wasn't sick. He wasn't sick at all. [145:00] A year later, he got cancer. [145:04] All he could do was talk about the [145:06] prophecy he got from from Chris Reed. [145:17] B and he wanted to base his treatment [145:18] based on it. [145:24] I watched him waste away and die, [145:28] holding on to that prophetic word. [145:40] These people, These people kill people. [145:45] It's not okay. [145:51] I try to not be as heavy as possible [145:54] when I do videos like this and have [145:56] things that are like, I don't know, just [145:58] make it a little easier to deal with and [145:59] and kind of digest, but this should be [146:02] as heavy as possible at this moment. [146:04] These people kill people. [146:08] Chris Reed. [146:12] Your deception, I believe, cost a man [146:14] his life. [146:19] You are evil. [146:21] You are wicked. You are a blight upon [146:23] the name of Christ, as I told you in our [146:26] private conversation. [146:28] And if your church and your people have [146:31] any integrity, any love for Jesus, you [146:34] will never preach again. You will never [146:36] preach again. And Rick Joiner and Bill [146:40] Johnson, [146:42] they all have some measure of [146:43] responsibility in this, too. Because if [146:45] Bill had come out in 2020, if he had [146:47] come out supporting Ben when Chris [146:49] threatened to sue Ben Fitzgerald, who [146:51] still won't talk to me for who knows [146:52] what he's whatever he's got going on. [146:54] Um, [146:56] if Chris when he threatened Ben [146:59] Fitzgerald. If that was met by Bethl [147:01] leadership doing what I would do, which [147:03] is he did what to you? We're all coming [147:06] against him now then because now he not [147:08] only did this fake prophecy thing, but [147:09] he's trying to cover it up with threats [147:10] and lawsuits. [147:13] Let's let's let's marshall let's [147:15] marshall the troops. Okay, we need to [147:16] warn the church about this wicked man. [147:18] If they had done that, [147:21] this pastor would not be giving this [147:22] testimony right here today. It wouldn't [147:24] happen. And when he did reach out to [147:26] different people, different leaders, and [147:28] nobody did anything. And he knew Mike [147:30] Bickle wouldn't do anything. He knew [147:32] lots of people knew. It wasn't [147:34] completely like out of nowhere that Mike [147:37] Bickl was whack like unfortunately Sam [147:39] Storms has suggested. There was [147:40] evidence. There was people that knew [147:42] things and it was just coverup culture [147:44] that kept it down. So how do we change [147:46] it? Well, like I said earlier, I have no [147:48] authority. I have no ability to change [147:50] any of these things. But you absolutely [147:52] do. You meaning you in Morning Star, you [147:54] in Bethl, you in Jesus image. I still [147:58] haven't talked a lot about that, but [148:00] you guys can change these things. [148:03] You can, you absolutely can. Whether [148:06] it's you vote with your feet or if you [148:08] insist on accountability where leaders [148:10] are like, I will I will suffer your [148:13] wrath. You can call me the Jezebel [148:15] spirit all you want. I'm going to stand [148:16] up and do the right thing. [148:19] That can change everything. That can [148:20] change everything. [148:26] Now I want to close this with this one [148:28] thought with this one thought. Today [148:30] Chris Reed gave a message at his church [148:32] and today he talked about the following. [148:35] Now I want to preface this with the fact [148:38] that in my video I showed like weeks ago [148:42] I showed that in a very recent sermon [148:44] Chris faked Russian. He's fake speaking [148:46] in Russian and then he uh told people [148:48] the interpretation uh use basically [148:50] there's a fake moment of of Russian [148:52] tongues and the interpretation was you [148:54] know move from where you are and come to [148:56] my church. This is him today because I [148:58] want you to know the grift is not over [149:00] with this guy unless unless his church [149:01] makes it over it won't be over. And um [149:04] I'm so thankful that you're here today [149:06] friends of the breakroom church and we [149:07] are moving forward in Jesus name [149:10] >> 100%. We have people, believe it or not, [149:12] from different places that are put their [149:14] house up for sale and are moving here [149:15] because they want to be a part of what [149:16] God is doing. [149:18] >> And so over the next two or three [149:19] months, we will get to see that happen. [149:21] This is what's going on at the Friends [149:22] of the Bridegroom Church. People are on [149:24] their way. This is what's going on. Rick [149:26] Joiner behind the scenes going, I don't [149:28] know, maybe it'll be time to bring Chris [149:29] back in at some point cuz I like to [149:31] restore people and see what they'll do. [149:33] But I think the bottom line is just that [149:35] uh this is an example of cover-up [149:36] culture. This is an example of the [149:38] results of coverup culture. And Chris [149:41] Reid, [149:42] I hope that the word I gave to you ends [149:44] up being prophetic and that you are [149:46] done. And that certainly is what justice [149:48] would demand. And if anybody has a legal [149:50] case against you, I hope they push it. [149:52] Um, I really do. If there are any [149:54] leaders in the charismatic movement that [149:56] are like the high up leaders that [149:57] they've been there for years and years [149:58] and years and years who have the dirt [150:00] and know the stuff and you know who the [150:02] predators are and who the liars are and [150:04] who the fraudulent ministers are. I just [150:07] pray that one of you, even one of you [150:09] will just come out, put your neck on the [150:10] line and tell us everything. Call them [150:13] out. You know, I have to do all this [150:15] research. You already know off the top [150:16] of your head the whole laundry list. And [150:19] I'm asking you to come out. one of you [150:21] at least come out [150:23] for the name of Christ.  ## 📺 Video ![](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yK0ZYPAMA) --- # 📝 Full Notes (Deep-Read Analysis) # 🏷️ Title: The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror - Exposing Chris Reed ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Investigate Chris Reed's current ministry activities — ongoing accountability #church-safety - [H2] Document Bethel's pattern of cover-ups — evidence preservation #accountability - [H3] Support victims of prophetic manipulation — pastoral care #healing ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### 🔗 References - [Wake Up and Win Podcast](https://example.com/wakeupandwin) - [Developing Your Prophetic Filter Book](https://example.com/prophetic-filter) ## 📝 Summary - Mike Winger exposes Chris Reed as a fake prophet who uses Facebook data to create false prophecies - Reed allegedly contributed to someone's death through false prophetic words and engaged in sexual misconduct - Bethel Church leadership, including Bill Johnson, allegedly covered up Reed's deceptions since 2020 - Reed continued ministry activities despite being caught, receiving endorsements and book forwards - Pattern connects to broader cover-up culture in charismatic churches including Morning Star and IHOP ## 📖 Main Content This investigation reveals how Chris Reed, former president of Morning Star Ministries, allegedly fabricated prophecies by researching people on social media platforms. In 2020, Bethel leaders Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins caught Reed using Facebook profiles to generate "prophetic" words. Despite being exposed, Reed received continued support from major charismatic leaders and was endorsed by Bill Johnson for a book on "healthy prophecy." The evidence suggests a pattern of institutional cover-up culture spanning multiple major charismatic organizations. Reed's alleged misconduct includes sexual impropriety with students, substance abuse during ministry, and threatening legal action against whistleblowers. The investigation connects these issues to similar patterns involving other charismatic leaders and questions the accountability structures within these movements. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=0) — [H1] Chris Reed Introduction and Core Accusations - Key idea: Reed is accused of being a fake prophet who contributed to someone's death through false prophecy - Evidence: "I watched him waste away and die holding on to that prophetic word" #### ⏱️ [02:35](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=155) — [H2] Bethel Connection and Cover-up Evidence - Key idea: Bill Johnson allegedly knew Reed was faking prophecy in 2020 but still endorsed his book - Evidence: Text messages show Ben Fitzgerald backing down after "speaking to my leaders at Bethel Church" #### ⏱️ [05:15](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=315) — [H3] The Facebook Prophecy Scam Exposed - Key idea: Reed was caught looking up Facebook profiles during live prophetic sessions - Evidence: Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins set up test accounts with false information #### ⏱️ [08:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=525) — [H1] Reed's False Explanation of Entrapment - Key idea: Reed claims he was entrapped but evidence shows he volunteered to give prophecies - Evidence: "Premeditated entrapment" defense contradicted by voluntary participation #### ⏱️ [12:20](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=740) — [H2] Text Message Evidence of Cover-up - Key idea: Screenshots show coordination between Bethel leaders to silence whistleblowers - Evidence: "Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone" #### ⏱️ [18:30](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1110) — [H3] Bill Johnson's Book Endorsement Despite Knowledge - Key idea: Johnson endorsed Reed's prophecy book after knowing he was fake - Evidence: Forward written for "Developing Your Prophetic Filter" in 2023 #### ⏱️ [25:10](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1510) — [H1] Reed's Rise to Prominence - Key idea: Reed appeared on major Christian shows and took leadership roles despite exposure - Evidence: Sid Roth show appearances in 2021 and 2024, Morning Star presidency #### ⏱️ [32:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=1965) — [H2] Francis Chan's Problematic Endorsement - Key idea: Chan endorsed Reed while shaming those who would question prophetic gifts - Evidence: "I'm a little jealous of that... you'll distance yourself from him" #### ⏱️ [38:20](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2300) — [H3] Reed's Connection to IHOP and Mike Bickle - Key idea: Reed positioned himself as potential successor to major charismatic leaders - Evidence: Turning away Sam Storms and Francis Chan from Bickle's door #### ⏱️ [42:15](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2535) — [H1] Sexual Misconduct Allegations - Key idea: Reed allegedly groomed and had inappropriate relationship with female student - Evidence: Text messages showing progression from spiritual counsel to sexual content #### ⏱️ [48:30](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=2910) — [H2] Reed's Victim-Blaming Defense - Key idea: Reed claims student initiated all inappropriate contact despite evidence - Evidence: "Message anytime" and "I feel like I am for you" texts from Reed #### ⏱️ [52:45](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3165) — [H3] Morning Star's Failed Restoration Process - Key idea: Rick Joyner's "18-month restoration" was actually immediate reinstatement to power - Evidence: Made acting president 2-3 months after discovery of misconduct #### ⏱️ [58:10](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3490) — [H1] Rick Joyner's Cover-up Philosophy - Key idea: Joyner uses Galatians 6:1 to justify restoring predators to leadership positions - Evidence: "Get them back from where they fell... put them into positions of power" #### ⏱️ [63:25](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=3805) — [H2] Pattern of Institutional Cover-ups - Key idea: Same restoration philosophy applied to Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, and Chris Reed - Evidence: Multiple documented cases of quick restoration to ministry after serious misconduct ## 📚 References - [Developing Your Prophetic Filter](https://example.com/prophetic-filter) - [Wake Up and Win Podcast Testimony](https://example.com/testimony) - [Ben Fitzgerald Text Messages](https://example.com/texts) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - Chris Reed allegedly faked prophecies by researching people's Facebook profiles, then claiming divine revelation about personal details found online - Major charismatic leaders including Bill Johnson knew about Reed's deception but chose to protect and promote him rather than expose the fraud - Reed's pattern of misconduct extended to sexual impropriety with students under his pastoral care, using similar manipulation tactics ## 📰 Newsletter **Major Prophetic Fraud Exposed in Charismatic Movement** A comprehensive investigation reveals how Chris Reed, former president of Morning Star Ministries, allegedly fabricated prophecies using social media research. Despite being caught in 2020, Reed continued receiving endorsements from major Christian leaders including Bill Johnson of Bethel Church. The evidence raises serious questions about accountability in charismatic leadership and the protection of predatory behavior through institutional cover-ups. This connects to broader patterns affecting multiple major ministries. **Key Takeaways:** - Always verify prophetic claims through biblical standards - Be wary of prophecies containing easily-researched personal information - Support transparency and accountability in church leadership **Resources:** [Discernment Resources](https://example.com/discernment), [Biblical Prophecy Guidelines](https://example.com/prophecy), [Church Safety Protocols](https://example.com/safety) ## ✅ Action Items #### DevRel - Documentation: Create comprehensive evidence database for accountability - Education: Develop discernment training materials on prophetic fraud - Community: Build support networks for spiritual abuse survivors #### Community - Survivors: Establish safe reporting mechanisms and pastoral care - Leaders: Implement transparent accountability structures - Churches: Develop biblical standards for prophetic ministry evaluation ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Chris Reed systematically used social media research to fabricate prophetic words over multiple years - Bethel Church leadership deliberately covered up Reed's fraudulent activities to protect institutional reputation - A broader cover-up culture exists across major charismatic organizations protecting predatory leaders - Victims of false prophecy suffer lasting psychological and spiritual trauma that can be life-threatening ### 📊 Methodology - Document analysis of text messages, social media posts, and public statements - Witness testimony compilation and verification - Timeline construction of events and institutional responses - Pattern analysis across multiple similar cases ### ❓ Questions - How many other victims of Chris Reed's false prophecies and misconduct have not come forward? - What specific mechanisms do these organizations use to silence whistleblowers? - How can churches implement effective accountability without destroying legitimate prophetic ministry? ### 🔮 Future Research - Investigation of other leaders in the "cover-up culture" network - Analysis of psychological manipulation techniques used in false prophetic ministry - Development of biblical frameworks for evaluating prophetic claims ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Churches need robust accountability structures and biblical discernment training - Policy: Religious organizations should face consequences for harboring known predators - Security: Vulnerable individuals need protection from spiritual manipulation and abuse - Education: Christians require education on identifying false prophetic practices - Funding: Donors should scrutinize leadership integrity before supporting ministries ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th Grade #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Screenshots of text messages, book covers, social media evidence - Improve: Timeline infographics, organizational charts showing connections #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Video testimony and recorded statements - Improve: Audio summary of key evidence points #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear definitions of terms like DARVO, grooming, cover-up culture - Improve: Analogies comparing to secular accountability failures #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Step-by-step breakdown of how the Facebook scam worked - Improve: Interactive checklist for evaluating prophetic claims #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Clear timeline, cause-and-effect relationships, evidence chains - Improve: Decision trees for church accountability processes #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Community discussion prompts about church safety - Improve: Group study guides for implementing accountability #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual reflection questions on discernment - Improve: Personal assessment tools for evaluating spiritual leaders #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Analogies to predator-prey relationships in nature - Improve: Ecosystem metaphors for healthy church environments ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear headings structure, descriptive link text - Improve: Alt text for screenshot evidence, table headers for data #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Proper focus indicators on video controls - Improve: Skip links for long evidence sections #### Contrast and readability - Present: High contrast text on backgrounds - Improve: Larger text options for detailed evidence #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design maintains readability at 200% zoom - Improve: Prevent horizontal scrolling on mobile devices #### Media and captions - Present: Video includes captions for quotes - Improve: Full transcript availability, audio descriptions #### Forms and interactions - Present: Clear labels on any interactive elements - Improve: Error messaging for broken video links ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Issues affecting global charismatic movement - Improve: Examples from diverse cultural contexts #### Inclusive language - Present: Avoids unnecessarily gendered language - Improve: Sensitivity to different denominational perspectives #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear content structure with headings - Improve: Content warnings for traumatic material #### Representation - Present: Centers victim voices and experiences - Improve: Diverse range of expert perspectives #### Psychological safety - Present: Content warnings about abuse topics - Improve: Resource links for trauma support ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Text message evidence definitively shows coordination to silence whistleblowers - Inductive strength: Pattern of similar cover-ups across multiple leaders suggests systematic problem - Causal reasoning: Clear connection between lack of accountability and continued abuse - Analogical strength: Comparison to secular institutional cover-ups is appropriate and illuminating #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Some personal attacks on leaders detract from evidence-based arguments - Hasty generalization: Claims about "all" charismatic leaders may be overly broad #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Passionate but evidence-focused, appropriate outrage at institutional failures ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: Chris Reed's "entrapment" defense denies his voluntary participation in fraudulent prophecy - Attack: Reed threatened lawsuits against those who exposed him rather than addressing the evidence - Reverse victim/offender: Reed portrays himself as victim of "premeditated entrapment" while presenting accusers as manipulative - Emotional cues: Uses religious language and victim positioning to deflect accountability ## 🎯 Conclusion This investigation reveals a systemic problem of accountability failure in major charismatic organizations. Chris Reed's case demonstrates how institutional protection of predatory leaders causes ongoing harm to vulnerable individuals. The evidence strongly suggests deliberate cover-up culture rather than isolated mistakes. Churches must prioritize victim protection over leadership reputation and implement transparent accountability structures. The pattern documented here calls for immediate reform in how these organizations handle misconduct allegations and restore public trust through demonstrated change rather than defensive posturing. ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] False prophets use social media for fake revelations > [!quote] The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror by Mike Winger via YouTube. Published 2024. Accessed 2024-12-28. > "They asked for prophecy. He looked them up online and got caught and now he's blaming it on them." Documents systematic deception in modern prophetic ministry through technology exploitation. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/R_yK0ZYPAMA?t=525#H1) #false-prophets #accountability ID:rw_001 ### [H2] Institutional cover-up protects predatory religious leaders > [!quote] The Fakest Prophet: Drugs, Women, and Terror > "Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone." Reveals coordination between major ministry leaders to silence whistleblowers exposing fraud. [view highlight](https://youtu.be/ --- # 📄 Full Transcript *Auto-generated from YouTube captions · timestamps roughly every 30 seconds · [watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yK0ZYPAMA)* **[00:02]** [music] This guy right here is Chris Reid. And today you're going to learn about how leaders in the charismatic church have been allowing him to ruin people's lives. You're going to even hear testimony about how he, according to my witness, contributed to someone dying, uh, got someone killed because of his prophecy. All he could do was talk about the prophecy he got from from Chris Reed. I watched him waste away and die holding **[00:33]** on to that prophetic word. These people these people kill people. Chris Reed, he is a fake prophet who was recently leading, according to him, the third largest charismatic ministry in the United States. I have evidence that he is a fake prophet. I'll present that evidence today. I also have evidence to suggest he's a drug addict that he groomed and sexually sinned with one of his students. And I don't think she's the only one that he, like I said, got a man killed or contributed to having a man killed, having a man dying, I should say. He also lied to me in the name of **[01:04]** God. We had a meeting, me and Chris, just days back, and he lied to my face, calling down curses from God if he was lying. And I have evidence that he lied in that meeting. I'll share that evidence today. I think this is all very relevant because I want to prove this guy wrong so that I can stop him from terrorizing people. He's actively terrorizing people with his prophecies. I'll share all this in detail. He's currently still acting as a pastor in charge of a fellowship where he runs full control with apparently no accountability. At least that's how it seems. It seems like it has to be the **[01:34]** case because he's been caught high teaching on Sunday mornings and yet he still taught this morning. That's right. I'm recording this on a Sunday and I'll share a little bit of what he taught this Sunday as well. So much is going to come out here today, but I want to help bring accountability to Chris and to deliver people from his terrors because he does this with prophecy. He scares people. And I want to prove one of his best and most commonly known prophetic tricks wrong. I want to show you how it's done. You can do it with your iPhone. It's actually pretty easy. So, if you'd like to be a prophet, by the end of this video, we can all be as **[02:05]** prophetic as Chris Reed. uh this prophet, speaking of which, we did have like a two-hour talk not long ago. And in that talk, he threatened me with prophecy as well, and you're going to be getting all that. But here's the reason why I'm doing this. [music] Um Chris Reed is not an isolated case. Chris Reed is part of the one of the the the three major ministries, maybe four I might add, toward by the end of this, that I would say have been propagating cover-up culture. So we have Bethl and we have IHOP and we have Morning Star. **[02:37]** Those are like the three old school ones and they're rising up right now is Jesus image. And of course there may be others but these three are pretty significant. This is the morning star one. All right. But it is connected to Bethl leadership. And here's why. In 2020, Bethl leadership knew that Chris Ree was faking prophecy. And Bill Johnson not only did not expose Chris, we'll have evidence that he may have deliberately covered up for Chris, like purposely, intentionally silenced someone from being a whistleblower. I'll share the text messages and stuff today. But he actually after this, after 2020, he went **[03:09]** on to write the forward for Chris's 2023 book. What book? A book on healthy prophecy. I kid you not, this is the truth. Chris writes a book called Developing Your Prophetic Filter. Bill Johnson writes the forward to the book. This is after Bill Johnson has knowledge that Chris is in fact guilty. There it is. That Chris is in fact guilty of faking prophecy. This is very similar to the Shawn Bull situation. And there's a number of details I want to **[03:40]** give you because scripture says, "Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." And this is going to be part of exposing them and creating accountability from the ground up if we have to do it because the leaders aren't doing their job. Sadly, if Bethl had exposed Chris back in 2020 instead of Bill endorsing his book, then maybe that man you're going to hear about later would not have died. Uh maybe Chris would not have groomed multiple women. Maybe he wouldn't currently be the senior pastor of a church who's being **[04:11]** oppressed by this man in the name of Jesus. So, this is dedicated to the people who are scared to death of Chris Reed. Let me first talk about the Bethl connection and then we'll walk through all the other stuff I've kind of introduced so far today. The Bethl connection. All right. In 2020, Chris Reed was on a live stream. And you guys know how 2020 was, right? COVID hit. Everything's locked down. And a guy like Chris who does public speaking as his job, he has nowhere to go. He has nothing to do. So, he's going on streams and they're on these live streams. He's prophesying. Now, this guy, kind of like **[04:42]** Shawn BS, he comes out and prophesies. And if you haven't seen my Bulls video, I'll link it below. Um, he goes out and prophesies in ways that are amazing to people. He knows their address or their name. He knows what they just did last week. He knows tons of stuff about them. But some people catch him in actually looking up their data on Facebook as he's prophesying. They know that he's going to look up their their username. And so, and these are some Bethl guys, right? We have Ben Fitzgerald and we have Todd Dawkins. and they're looking up or they're they're uh **[05:13]** with Chris. Well, one of them is on the show with Chris and the other one is merely helping out. Ben Ben Fitzgerald is just helping out uh off to the side, but they suspect I think this guy's cheating. So, they use their own Facebook or Facebook of people they know to test Chris by editing those Facebook pages and then requesting a prophetic word. And if he would give them the bad information that was just edited, then they know he was getting the info off Facebook. This is very very definitive evidence that shows exactly what happened. Okay, so this is Chris Reed giving his explanation of why he looked **[05:45]** up people on Facebook back in 2020 in this particular instance on YouTube and was busted by uh Ben Fitzgerald um and Todd Dawkins. So this is that explanation and you'll hear that he said it was all premeditated and this is a lie. I will prove it today. And I can remember specifically an instance in prophecy where I was doing online ministry with two other people and was **[06:15]** the first time I'd done it with this is back during 2020 in the pandemic before I ever ministered here in the Carolinas. And one of the persons that was doing online ministry is like a zoom call three people and then people on social media would come up and we'd pray for them if we had something prophetically speak. It was a very exciting moment, right? because they they call in or they you know they type into the live chat and then he gives them a prophetic word either on either they're uh on Facebook they're commenting it might have been YouTube or may have been both actually I **[06:47]** don't remember right now off the top of my head speak over when we would well at the end I didn't know that one of the persons on that call had a pre-meditated ins snarement waiting for me >> this is a lie. I'll show you later. >> And that is bearing false witness when you do such a thing. To try to force me to get me to prophesy **[07:18]** over someone 15 hours away in another country across the world who I don't even know at that time if they're a real person through a cell phone. Premeditated entrapment. pre-meditated entrapment. >> This would be like a guy who um you know hires a prostitute and then finds out that she's a undercover cop and his defense being it was a premeditated **[07:49]** enttrapment. Like dude, you're the same amount of guilty even if it was. But it wasn't. This is actually not true. Um you know, Chris isn't forced to prophesy at all. He's putting himself out there as a guy that has words from God. They asked for prophecy. he looked them up online and that he got caught and now he's blaming it on them. So, this is what's called Darvo, right? Deny, accuse, and reverse victim and offender. It's bearing false witness, then trying to get you to prophesy to people and **[08:21]** that's not even really their name. They're lying to you about names and information. Okay, so ent trament's not possible if you're a real prophet or if you just only share things when God actually shows you because someone could give you a fake profile and you would look at it and go you would hear the name perhaps and say I don't have a prophetic word for you. See see this this trick doesn't work on on a real prophet. It only works on someone who's faking it. That's the beauty of the trick. So later in that uh conversation that I had with him, we we talked about this as well. This is this **[08:52]** is not from our conversation. I didn't record it. I believe that Chris did. Um, but in my conversation with Chris, he tells me that first that it was entrament and that it was the weirdest thing. He says, "Because I was suspicious that they were trying to trick me, I looked up their names on Facebook and then I I gave them some words from Facebook." Later in the conversation, same conversation, he implies that he was never giving prophetic words of knowledge. He would just see on Facebook like, "Oh, you have a son." And he'd be like, "Oh, Lord bless your son and may he may he call your son to great things." Um, which **[09:25]** it's I he can't keep track of his own lies, I think, is the issue. But here are screenshots from that day. Screenshots from that very day where Chris Reed was faking prophecy. And I'm going to share them with you. Here is the first one. There we go. On this screenshot, you can see where uh it's Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins are talking back and forth. Now, Ben is not a source for me on this. Ben so far has not been willing to talk to me. I've asked for like I don't know if it's two weeks through like three different contacts and he does not want to speak to me. Um, so, uh, or so far doesn't want to speak to me. Uh, maybe he's **[09:56]** still praying about it after all this time. Um, but Ben, he's he's doing good here. This thing he's doing right this moment, this day is good. Here it's May 27th, 2020. And Todd says to him, "Hey, Ben, I'm on a live stream right now with a guy who I think is stealing information off Facebook. It's literally everything on their page. It's obvious. What do I do?" And he's panicking because he's not it's not enttrapment. He's come on to this live stream as they're seeking to walk in prophetic things and seeking to bless people and **[10:26]** he goes on this live stream and Chris Reed's there and he can tell he's like, "Dude, this guy's faking it. I can tell." And he starts looking people up too and he goes like everything he says it's right on their Facebook page. So he reaches out to someone he trusts, Ben Fitzgerald. And Ben helps him. They work together. They they uh they work together to you could say lay a trap, but I think it's give a test to give a test to uh to Chris Reed. So here they he goes, I don't you know want to be wrong here, but I just he's way too accurate. It doesn't match the kind of **[10:56]** stuff that we usually see in the movement. That that would be how I interpret this here. And then Ben says, ask for me to have a word. Okay. And then so they start asking questions. Then they coordinate and I have their whole text stream. I got like a bunch of messages. I I'm not going to share them all. But basically what they do is they get a few friends of theirs to alter their Facebook pages slightly so that there's some information that's right and some that's wrong. And then they watch to see if Chris Reid gives the wrong information proving that he is just getting it off the internet. Sound familiar? This is exactly what Shawn BS **[11:28]** did. He did the exact same trick. And this is around the same time we have Chris Reed doing it and being lifted up as a prophet in the movement and getting a book endorsement and forward from Bill Johnson just the same. Okay. Okay, so they get caught. He gets caught. They do this with multiple accounts. Uh Todd, you can tell, is shocked. And one of the reasons he's shocked is because this guy, Chris Reed, is not small time. Okay, he's the dude who is about to appear on the Sid Roth show. Now, some of you guys don't know who that is, but when you appear on the Sid Roth show, you're you're making it. You're into the next level of stratosphere. You're not **[11:59]** like a normal leader in the movement. You're something higher up. We also have reason to think that he was poisoning himself to take over for Mike Bickl if when you know at some point and he was trying to take over for Sid Roth at some point and trying to take over for Rick Joiner and the the eventual one that took is Rick Joiner. So he stepped in as the next leader after Rick Joiner was going to retire from Morning Star. Um and so he was president there for a season until scandals there blew up and he had to leave. So another leader after hearing about **[12:31]** this in 2020, he actually makes a dossier. I have the dossier. I have the dossier. And he told uh this leader took the dossier showing that Chris Reed is is a liar that he blasphemes the very name of God. As Christians, you have to care about this. You have to care about this a lot. This is not just a lie. It's a lie in the name of the Holy Spirit. It's a lie in the name of prophecy. That's a huge issue. That's about as big as you get as far as issues go. And so he takes this dossier and he gives it to Dan Reese of Paul Ka's ministry. Nothing **[13:05]** happens. Um he was reportedly going to take it to Katherine Ruinala in Australia and Stacy Campbell and James Gaul in 2020. Did they get it? I have not confirmed whether they got it or not. So that's a an unanswered question. Um but I know that Stacy Campbell was given evidence of Shawn BS cheating. I I use their word cheating. you should say lying in the name of God uh back in 2017 and she uh didn't just just started ghosting the person who gave her the **[13:36]** evidence. So then we have in 2020 Bethl knows and why does Bethl know? Because Ben Fitzgerald who's on this on this uh text thread who's checking he's actually connected to Bethl. He's a pretty significant leader in Bethl in Germany right now at one of their uh locations now or they're affiliated in some sense whether it's official or not a church this very much a Bethlized church. So Ben goes to the leadership um or excuse me first Ben confronts Chris. **[14:06]** Here's here's the order of events. They confront Chris and in the initial confrontation in 2020, the confrontation, I know Todd Dawkins at least is on this call and says, "Hey, um, Chris, you did this." And he denies it. I didn't look up words. You guys are wrong. They give more evidence and more support for it. And he confesses finally. Okay, I did look up words. And then they ask just one thing. They go, "Chris, we're not going to tell everybody. We just want you to tell your leaders, your like your board. Tell the people who you're accountable to." At least in theory. Although the boards in these movements don't hold people **[14:37]** accountable. That's what I've learned. But he says, "Tell them." Chris responds, "According to Todd, threats of lawsuits. I'm going to sue you. I'm going to sue you. Don't talk to talk to me about this. Don't bring this up to anybody else." Click. Then this is Chris's account. From here, I'll share what Chris Reed says happened. And this is really significant because this is where Bethl gets involved in a deeper way that is disturbing and I think needs to be made public. on your screen is going to be a text message between Chris Reed and a uh **[15:07]** a lady where he describes what happened. And I will say he said the same to me and I do think he is telling the truth in this instance. It's a rare moment. Chris Reed says, "I think it will stop now." This is after he's he's getting exposed. These these these guys know Bethl is going to find out. They want him to tell his leaders. He says, "I think it will stop now. Shawn Bull's called Bethl. Don't repeat that. And Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone. It's all gonna be okay. I agree. To which the **[15:40]** response is from this lady who I'll leave her unnamed. She's not it's not actually that secret. People know, but I I she at this point believes that Chris was was uh was being defamed wrongly. She doesn't realize later she realized that he's actually a fake prophet. And so this is what she said. She goes, "Papa Bill is awesome." She's celebrating that Bill is protecting Chris Reed. And then he says yes. He straight tells him tells him lol. And um did he call Sid for you too? And yes. Implication here is that Shawn BS also **[16:12]** called Sid Roth. Remember he was going to be on the Sid Roth show. So his maybe his chances there were not as good. And he claims that Shawn called Sid Roth. And he did end up appearing on Sid Roth not very long after that. the Sid Roth show in my private conversation with Chris Reid recently. This was this was back in 2020. Now, recently he tells me a very similar story. He says it and he was very careful with his words. He says, "Uh, I called Shawn after they confronted him and Shawn said, "I'll take care of it." Shawn BS says, "I'll **[16:45]** take care of it." Then he got the following text from Ben Fitzgerald. And this is where it turns strange. Ben Fitzgerald, Bethl guy, currently still is is significant leader in Bethl right now. Um, and I asked to talk to him about this. I asked him if if this isn't what it looks like to tell me. Um, and I've not been able to get a hold of him. **[17:15]** I believe that this is this is what happened. So Ben Fitzgerald texts Chris back and says, "Hey Chris, after speaking to my leaders at Bethl Church, I've decided to take this no further with you. Sorry for coming off too strong in the first call, the second I was truly that the second I was truly from my heart trying to help take care." So he was on that call. Um and he says, "Brother, I really hope someday we can start off on a better foot." What are we looking at here? **[17:48]** Chris says, "I called Shawn Bulls, who we know as a fake prophet pervert who was protected, I will maintain that, by Bethl Church. They say they didn't cover it up. It was just like they they didn't tell the truth often enough and loud enough and soon enough." Um, and that's not true. They actually covered for him. They gave misinformation to make it look like he was less guilty. Um, it is really bad. Well, here he calls Shawn. Shawn says, "I'll call Bill." Ben, it confirms I talked to my leaders **[18:19]** and I'm not going to take this any further. Now, perhaps hypothetically the conversation between Ben Fitzgerald and the leaders wasn't like, "Hey, Chris, we're covering for Chris because he's a bad guy and we're bad guys." Maybe the conversation was just, "Hey, Ben, we don't think this is the right thing for you to focus on. It's going to derail you from other ministry purposes. This is something I've heard." I don't know how that conversation went, but the order of events, I'm in trouble. I call Shawn. Sean says, "I'll call Bill." Then the guy confirms that he talked to Bethl leadership and they talked him down. **[18:52]** Even if it wasn't Bill personally, he talked to Bethl leadership. I think that Bill covered up for this. I think it's a reasonable interpretation, especially given what we know about guys like Bob Hartley, guys like um Oh, man. Bob Hartley. I have more than I can't even share with you guys what what I know about Bob Hartley. Even what you know about Bob Hartley. >> Hey, this is me right now. I don't even pay a woman to be near me or be with me. But I'm blessed and I've worked hard and I would do that. You know, I am tempted **[19:24]** to send you some beforehand because I just believe in your heart. So, let me know how you feel. Let me know. Okay, this is what what's their cost. >> You should think that this is something Bill probably has done many times and he did it with Shawn BS and who knows how many other people he's done this with. It's uh [sighs] it's interesting to ask the question of would Chris lie about this? Is this text message just a lie? Um I don't believe he would. This message, by the way, um **[19:57]** it's consistent. It's the It's a consistent statement and claim that goes it it fits consistently with everything. I've asked if um if if this is fake. Nope, not fake. There's just some explanation for it. I haven't heard perhaps from Ben. The thing is here Chris telling me even privately telling me I called Shawn and Shawn said he'd call Bill and then Ben said I talked to my leaders and and then he apologized and backed off. This does him no favors. This does him no favors at all. He's **[20:27]** sharing this because it's already known. He's sharing this because it's been leaked by others. That's the reason why he admits it. I think it implicates Bethl, which is like the gravy train. You don't want to make Bethl look bad as one of these prophets in the movement. It also associates him, Chris Reed, with Shawn BS as having some sort of like conspiratorial fake profit thing going on. There's no benefit to him in saying this stuff. So minimally, at least Chris thought he was relying on Shawn and he heard Shawn say, "I'll take care of it and then Ben **[20:59]** backed off after talking to his leaders." Um, and I don't have a better interpretation than actual cover up culture taking place. But it gets worse because Bill Johnson endorsed Chris Reed's book right after this. So allow me to show with you to show you this. Um, Bill Johnson endorsing Chris Reid's book. So, here I showed you before, but this is the cover for the book forward by Bill Johnson. Developing your prophetic filter, how to process the prophetic. It's literally a book on how **[21:30]** to have healthy prophecy. I kid you not. It is a mockery. Is a mockery of the work of God. An absolute mockery. Okay, this is the actual endorsement itself. It says, "Developing your prophetic filter." This is from Bill Johnson is an important book for our time. He has like you know nice things and positive things about the book and he says at the very end may we be a people who walk in purity, passion and power representing Jesus well through the gift of prophecy. The exact opposite **[22:00]** in every way of Chris Reed. It is not pure. It is not passion for God and it is not power. It is fake. At this point, can Bill Johnson or Bethl say, "Oops, this was merely a mistake." Uh, no. This is a pattern. This is a pattern. Remember the timeline compared to Shawn BS in 2020, early 2020, at the around the same time as Bill's finding out about Chris Reed. He also finds out about Shawn BS. Now, I think he knew maybe before this. I think Bill knew in 2016, actually. Now, I've **[22:32]** pushed it back further with more uh conversations with people and witnesses. that uh Shambols was faking prophecy. But let's say he knew in 2020 that Shambles was faking prophecy and that he was this real sexual like oppressive uh doineering deviant all that stuff. So, similar to the situation with Chris Reid, after knowing about Shawn BS, he goes on to endorse his book on TBN in public and even talks about the amazing life of the author and how it represents by implication of what he's saying this **[23:02]** like perfect understanding a version of what Christianity would really look like in real life. >> But you wrote that this was one of the most exciting books that you had read. Why was that? >> Um, well, the book by itself is incredible. Knowing the life that backs it up adds a power to it because it's so it's so practical. It's it's what you dream of. It's like if if you could see if you could have a perfect relationship with the Lord and see its impact on humanity, that's what it would look like. He does this. And he does the same **[23:33]** thing with Chris Reed. It's a parallel. It's a pattern. It is not a fluke. It wasn't a mistake. It wasn't an oopsie. I don't believe that at all. I think that Bill Johnson, I'm going to say this, is a devious and twisted man. I'm sorry. I didn't want to say this. Um I don't like saying it. I believe that it's true. And I believe that this is only one more piece of evidence along those lines and we've got a lot already and there's a lot lot more that has not been shared. Oddly enough, it was after this that **[24:05]** Shawn after Bill knew that Shawn was guilty of these things that that um he was told, you know, don't be part of our ministry. You can't you can't talk at any of our events. You can't talk at our church. Our team can't have anything to do with you. After uh Chris Valatin is telling people like, you know, I don't trust him. Um he's dangerous. This is what the message is being sent about him. After this, Sean still has place to call up Bill and be like, "Want to do me a favor?" That's that's the implication of the evidence we have. It seems like the most **[24:36]** likely explanation of the evidence we have, and I won't entertain fanciful um wishful thinking explanations on this stuff. Bethl at any time could have come out and warned people about Chris Reed. And if they had, it would have potentially saved a life. So, that's the Bethl connection. Now, who is this Chris Reed guy? Let's let's get into this in more detail. Chris Reed, the guy that Bill Johnson supported after Chris threatened one of Bill's own guys to keep him from exposing him for fake prophecy after he **[25:08]** then went to endorse his book. Well, he's the kind of guy that coverup culture refuses to expose. He was a rising star, Chris Reid, uh for a time. He took over Morning Star Church, Morning Star TV, and all the various ministries and things that are connected to that. He was a guest, like I mentioned before, on the Sid Roth show, but I'd like to share more about that now because when you get on the Sid Roth show, I mean, when Brian Simmons got on the Sid Roth show, that launched the passion translation into the next level, the stratosphere as far as getting attention, getting sales, that kind of thing. When you get on the Sid Roth **[25:38]** show, it is a big deal. You think I have a lot of sub subscribers on YouTube, Sid Roth has more than twice as much as me. and he has done a lot a lot um sadly a lot of damage I think because he constantly brings up cooks and promotes them in front of the world. Cooks is a nice word here but here in uh January 29th 2021 he goes on the Sid Roth show. Remember he said that Sean had talked to Sid Roth forum as well. Well whatever happened there he does end up going on **[26:09]** the show. Now, this is probably recorded earlier, but almost certainly after he had um been busted for faking prophecy in 2020. That's not the only time he appeared on the Sid Roth show. We can see he also went on Sid Roth in 2024, years later, after he' been exposed for even other more other stuff we'll talk about later. At age 12, God called Chris Reed into ministry. Now he's president and director of Morning Star Ministries and **[26:42]** his prophetic gifting. It's very unique. Chris says that God revealed to him what is putting a break on most Christians supernatural gifting. >> I want to point out real quick that this is Sid Roth's uh shtick. the the guest comes on, they offer people some like sort of increase in their supernatural power or gifting. They connect it typically to a book or a course that they're selling. And in this case, I'll tell you the book because it's it's **[27:13]** trippy. Um, it just shows you that the marketing that is behind the faking of prophecy. And Chris will tell us about the big angel that escorted him to the library in heaven. Chris, I heard a little bit, but I can't wait to hear. And you're doing what the Bible says, the Gentile believers to provoke the Jew to jealousy, but And I get >> Yeah. So, he's he's Jewish, so he just wants to say he, you know, he's trying **[27:44]** to tie- scripture into this stuff. >> Yeah. So, I was caught up in the realm of the spirit and this angel led me through this door and just like any library. It was like there were different sections of Yeah. So, here's the thing. Sidroth always, not always, but usually he'll do these like reenactments. They'll either hire actors or they'll get footage or use CGI or something and they'll do these reenactments of the things that people describe, their supernatural experiences. It really helps sell it, I think. And what he will go on to explain **[28:15]** in this in this interview I won't play it for you but Chris will explain how God took him to a library and he saw a book and it was called something like the seven thunders and this comes from scripture right um so then he takes these these thunders and he after this vision writes his own book by the same title and sells it and he says this will be the key to unlocking the supernatural in everybody's lives because of his and I won't get into this but the manifest sons theology the manifest sons of God the the latter a rain movement. This is all tied together. And there he is **[28:48]** selling his stuff, selling his merch on the Sid Roth show and claiming that it was a divine vision. This happened years after he was caught. He's allowed to pedal this stuff. Years. He's even endorsed by Francis Chan. I just met Chris Reed. Your gift in the prophetic. I'm not jealous of the gifts. What I what I marvel at when I when I think about it is I go, "Wo!" So, at those moments, God almighty speaks to you. **[29:20]** >> 13121 is a number uh that has just come to me that I believe is >> he was on stage there with Mike Bickl. This is in 2021. Again, this is after he was caught. And you can tell he's doing the same shtick. He's doing the same thing as Shawn Bulls. He's got these inside uh Facebook knowledge. um significant. >> I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous of that. It's the relationship of God trusts you. >> I don't know. You've never met you, never talked to you, not connected to you in your life in any way. And you've **[29:51]** never told me that you've I've never met you or seen you in my life to speak for him. There's anybody here that has the birthday 228. And he talks to you and he tells you something. Some of you watching, you'll see him do the prophetic thing. And because you don't believe in the gifts, you'll distance yourself from him. And again, I'm telling you, you're crazy. I >> Francis Chan for a long time was **[30:22]** considered a wellrespected person in the in the Christian church. And when he went out and started endorsing everybody, I mean, he did this with Mike Bickl, he's done it with Bill Johnson, he's done it with Chris Reid, um, he did it with Benny Hinn. When he started doing this, he not only does he say, "I think these guys are great. I think that God's using them in wonderful ways." Instead of warning against them, he offers them great support. But he often couples it with shaming anybody who would come against them, anybody who would speak against them, making them **[30:53]** feel guilty like they're like they're offending God, like they're touching someone the Lord loves and is using and that they should be ashamed. That's the typical thing. Um, I want to add also, I didn't put creepy music on this. That's Steve Kosar. That's his style. Messed up church is this YouTube channel. But I'm grateful that he is gathering these clips and putting them together for us to understand and see. >> Misread him. Um I was told the wrong. >> So that's him endorsing Mike Bickl. I I won't go more into that, but he endorsed Bickl and again shamed everybody. And **[31:24]** Francis Chan, I would appeal to you. You should come out and forget the flowery language. you should come out and say in a in like a normal human talks and just say I endorsed these guys and I was totally deceived and not only was I deceived, I deceived you guys. That's the best case scenario is that you didn't realize, right? You see, I deceived and I deceived you guys and I shamed everybody who was trying to raise the red flags. Those who actually had discernment, I made you look bad. I made people demonize you. I I I squatchched the **[31:57]** wisdom and discernment of my viewers and used the credibility I had to lift up and prop up predators in the body of Christ. That's what you did, bro. Absolutely. There could be grace for that. There would be grace and forgiveness. But you should come forward. All these leaders that know about other leaders who aren't just flawed, but they're predators and fraudulent. Their whole ministries are fraud. You all should come forward and just call it out and let the fallout be the fallout. What What other option is there? No other good one. Anyways, so Chan endorsed now Reed at the time he's regularly speaking at Mike Bickl's **[32:28]** church. Now Mike Bickl again, one of the one of the three like big coverup culture groups of churches that I'm talking about. The IHOP churches, some of you have never heard of them. International House of Prayer, right? Not the Superior Pancakes locations. Um the one in Kansas City, that's Mike Pickles one. That's like the hub. That's the mecca for the IHOPS. And he's regularly speaking there. and he's trying it looks like to get himself into the place where he will actually take over for Mike. Maybe he's like looking for somebody. I want to be the successor of somebody. That's how it looks. And he eventually got that with Rick Joiner. But **[33:00]** we have evidence that it goes deeper than that. Let me share that with you. Now, what really is how deep is his connection? Is Crease really? Because here's the thing. People are going to be like, "Well, he's just kind of like a rogue agent, right? He's just some random guy." It's it's not true. Um so here on your screen is let me get a little bit lower is a segment from an announcement made um which discusses um I think I think it was Sam Storms that wrote this maybe maybe Francis was part of it part of writing it too. Um I think **[33:32]** I think he I don't know I think it was cuz this is we were yeah sorry I'm just trying to remember. All right. So, Sam and Francis Chan, it says here in this public statement about Mike Bickl after he was busted for um grooming and and using prophecy to be a sexual predator towards women in the teens, like the how many of them there were in the teens that were aware of and some of them were in their teens uh when he did it. Um so Sam and Francis Chan attempted to visit **[34:03]** Mike at his home on October 31st. This is for a confrontation. Hey Mike, we got to talk about that. These allegations look real. We've we've heard the witnesses now. We're now wondering if we've got this thing wrong. Maybe you've really done this stuff, right? They go to visit and what it says where Chris Reed turned them away at the door. He said that Mike had been instructed not to meet or speak with anyone, which Mike later confirmed in a brief email to Sam. We were subsequently informed that Mike was following the council of Eric Vols, who I do not trust and have never trusted even back when I met him years **[34:33]** ago and did not know anything about all this other stuff. Um, so that's the situation he he's he's in, man. Chris Reed's a significant player in this movement. As much as people are going to try to pretend he isn't and downplay it, he's the guy standing at the door barring the entry from Sam Storms and Francis Chan. Sam, who who says he's like his dearest friend, Mike Pickle's dearest friend. It's Chris Reed. Why is he there? Because birds of a feather because they they they recognize each other, these guys. That's the most **[35:03]** reasonable explanation. They recognize each other. And that they have found a partner in crime. And this is why he calls who when he's in trouble? Shawn BS. And who and who does Sean call? Bill Johnson. Because the rot is worse than you think. And it's not just mistakes that are being made. It's something far darker than that. Let's talk about what Chris did. The first thing we'll talk about, there's a number of things I'll put on this list of things Chris did in late **[35:33]** 2021. Chris, and this has been confirmed and even confessed to to a degree, he um he had a relationship, an inappropriate extrammarital relationship with a student. Uh she's an adult, mind you, but she was a student under his pastoral and prophetic care. his version of the story in our long conversation that he asked if we could have. Um, he says that it was all her. He says, "I take full responsibility, but when he describes what happened, it was all her." He says that she called **[36:05]** him on Facebook Messenger, instigating the relational connections. She's the one who hugged him, not him hugging her. She kissed him, not him kissing her. She grabbed his hand, not appropriate for kids now, guys. That was your warning. and put it on her lower body, shall we say, uh over her clothes. And that's when he immediately pulled away and was like, "We have to stop this. They have to stop this." Okay, that I believe is not true remotely. And I will link below. This is where she tells her story and it was on the Wake Up and Win **[36:36]** podcast. I'll link that down below. I'm not going to play all the footage of it. I will share with you something that goes right back to the date and time, which are some of the actual text messages between her and Chris Reed. And we can see that it's not what he said. Now, here's why this matters. When you're a spiritual leader and you not only have a extrammarital romantic entanglement, but you instigate it and you do so in a predatory fashion where you you target somebody and then you start manipulating **[37:06]** them to try to seduce them, which is what I believe Chris did, that puts you in a new category of not only fallen and disqualified, but predator. That's a different thing. We have the word grooming for that often nowadays. But uh but yeah, predator is a is a perfectly good term. So, let me put this on your guys' screen. They have a brief chat and as it ends, Chris tells her, and there's nothing significant really, nothing romantic, nothing at all, but he says, "Well, **[37:36]** there was a purpose for this chat and hopefully many more." She says, "Amen to that." Is she is she flirting with him? No. She's she's got a man who says like, "Oh, I prophetically I see things about you and this kind of stuff." And he says, "Hopefully many more." Chris is the one initially pushing forward the conversation and trying to get it to go into more of a long-term thing. Um, he then later says, "You bet. Message anytime. Good night." Okay, this is not something she instigated. He did, but at the end of the conversation, he says, **[38:08]** "Message anytime." How often do married men tell single women message me anytime? You know how many times I've done that in my married life? Never. Uh, in fact, I don't message single women. The um the times where I do have correspondence with women, it's because there's some like specific reason to do so or we're related. And if there's anything at all fishy, my wife sees that message. And um this only happened a couple times where I'm like, "Honey, you should look at this. This person sent me." And that's what you should do, guys. Show it to **[38:39]** your wife right away. Then we have this message and here he says um he's trying to like probe, right? I felt like something's wrong and you're bothered like uh how can I pray? Oh, I know that you're going through a battle kind of stuff, right? And then he says, "Text me." And he starts to elevate this to being personal cell phone number. I'll be glad to help. I can't extend my per my time personally to everyone cuz Chris is a mega celebrity in the morning star culture at this time he's mega **[39:11]** celebrity okay absolute c everywhere he goes people want to see him talk to him be around him and he goes but he tells her I feel like I am for you now she's going through all sorts of different things and she does want prayer and she does want help and probably more pastoral help at this time but he has really begun the seduction what married man says to a single woman I feel like I am for you. Or what married man asks a woman the following question? **[39:41]** Just curious here. He's just curious. Uh, do you have a foot tattoo? I'm just asking. I know that's a weird question. Chris Reed was instigating seduction tactics here. That's my opinion. I think that seems pretty obvious. Once she starts texting him, that's when things turn much darker and explicit sexual texts are given. The one that was uh mentioned is him talking about wanting **[40:11]** to uh restrain her physically on a bed and da da da. Okay, Chris is an instigator. He over over the call with me years later after he supposedly repented of this, he acts like she was the instigator, but the evidence says otherwise. That's important to know. >> [music] >> Now, let's talk about how he covered this up or how they perhaps I should say covered this up. Late in 2021, this **[40:44]** happens. Okay, there it does get somewhat physical. Um, it didn't uh I I don't want to discuss all the details there. It wasn't every everything you can imagine and it wasn't uh non-physical either. So, in late 2021, that happened. It was only a few months after Chris Reed came to Morning Star. Now, imagine this. A few months after coming to a new church where you're going to be installed as like you're coming as the big guy, the head dog, the new the new, you know, one who's going to take over and be be the the man, the man of God. You start seducing one of the people under your **[41:16]** pastoral care just a few months in. But in early 2022, Morning Star finds out about this and Rick Joiner says that he's going to send him through an 18-month process. An 18-month restoration process. In fact, he says it it did happen. It was an 18-month restoration process. That is not true. Rick Joiner is not being honest with anybody when he says that sort of thing. In reality, Rick made sure that it was it stayed amongst a very small number of people that knew about this. It was very, very, very small. It wasn't the board. The board **[41:47]** didn't know. The rest of the church didn't know. It was just a very small cluster of people. During that time, he did not have an 18th month restoration process or even any extended accountability. I'll talk about some details now. And I hope you guys stick around. There's a lot more coming. But but we need to get these these details are important because it shows the cultural nature of the cover up stuff. When you have the gifted man of God, even though he might get caught, don't say anything. even though he might get busted with sin like this, how quiet can **[42:18]** we keep it because we still want him on stage. So, Morning Star or more importantly Rick Joiner thought it was okay for him to continue. Rick Joiner within a couple months he installs Chris as acting president. Within a couple months of finding out about him doing this acting president of Morning Star and uh a while thereafter it becomes more official. Rick Joiner's done this many times. Rick Joiner is one of the kingpins of coverup culture. He did this with Mike Bickl. He's done this with Todd Bentley. Right? Even recently, Mike Bickl, serial sexual predator who fakes **[42:48]** prophecy and lies and manipulates young girls and tells them, "Oh, God told me my wife's going to die and you're going to be the replacement." And he's told this to many girls. Um, pi them with alcohol and perhaps with something more aggressive than that. That guy, Mike Pickle, Rick Joiner, says it's time to uh restore him. He's already saying this. The dude just got busted, right? Just got pulled from ministry. He's saying it's already time to restore him. Todd Bentley, he's tried multiple times to put Todd back on stage. His people won't tolerate it yet, but Rick, I **[43:18]** think, is waiting for the time when you guys will. And Todd Bentley will be back in Morning Star unless you do something about it. Todd Bentley, a very evil guy. You guys can just Google it. So, his 18th month restoration process, what did it entail? Um, well, it entailed two guys that he was supposed to be personally accountable to. However, two months later, they may they they may be met once or twice, but then two months later, Chris Reed takes over the president acting president position and he is now in authority over these guys and so they have no ability to hold him accountable to anything. He's **[43:49]** literally their boss at this point. So, that was done. Rick did that completely on his own. The the accountability guys didn't agree to that. The board didn't know what he had done. And so, Rick just put him right into that role. And let's talk about why Rick does this. Why does Rick Joiner repeatedly restore predators into ministry? >> Because we believe in Galatians 6:1 where it says, "Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, **[44:19]** you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, each one look unto yourself so that you too will not be tempted." I want to highlight, he's going to explain this himself, but I want us to not miss it. Any trespass, meaning it doesn't matter what the sin they did was because there are things to me that once you do them, you're you're disqualified forever as a leader. You molest a child, you're you're not going to be in leadership. Easy, right? There's there's things where you go, "Yeah, that that's crossing the line. We would never **[44:50]** there's other things that we we could see forgiveness and restoration to leadership." But what he does is he takes Galatians and he says any sin. It's so embarrassing. [snorts] If if if anyone's caught up in in in any sin, uh restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, which is about restoring them in their walk with Christ, not restoring them to ministry. And it doesn't mean wash the sin to the side and just put them back in ministry. It's about getting them to repent and turn from that sin and be restored to Christ. That's all it's about. Rick takes it as **[45:20]** marching orders for restoring predators into positions of power in the church. I kid you not, this is cover-up culture. And it's not just Rick Joiner. I think this is also Bill Johnson. Um I think this is also other big church ministries. Uh their their opinions about this. Now this includes the words anyone which includes anyone and you know uh caught in any trespass. **[45:51]** Get them back, restore them. And that means more than forgive them. It means get them back from where they fell. But >> that means put him back in leadership. >> You know, he was being prepared to take over the leadership of the ministry and all. Well, all that was put on hold during this process. And after a little time, we made him acting president. >> It was about two months later, maybe maybe three, that after they found out acting president, **[46:21]** >> acting CEO, because that was part of the the process. And I honestly want to see how he's going to behave when he gets authority. is, you know, is he going to do another stupid thing like this? >> This is Rick Joiner and Coverup Cultures philosophy about restoring leaders. Put them into positions of power where they can revictimize other people. The victim can just go away. They're not they're not an elite. They're not an elite leader. They can just they can just disappear, go away, whatever. Do **[46:52]** what you guys want. But get this guy back into positions of power and let's just see if he hurts more people. I don't know. Maybe he will, maybe not. That's part of what restoration is to them. They think, and I've heard Bethl leadership say the same, they believe that it's important to put leaders into power positions as a way of getting them to be restored in their walk with God and in their like integrity. And that is the opposite of biblical requirements. So scripturally, character requirements come first and then leadership comes second. You don't give them leadership as a way of **[47:24]** developing those character qualities that are qualifications for leadership. That's why if an el if an elder someone's desire to be an elder then they need to be and here's a list like I have a list of requirements they got to be these things or they can't be an elder and coverup culture does the opposite. Uh but that was part of the process. Some people have a concept of ministry that if you put someone in ministry that you're exalting them, you're lifting them up. True New Testament biblical **[47:54]** ministry is the opposite. It's the opposite. And I believe I have seen people put in ministry as a part of their restoration pro process. True ministry ministry which is sacrifice taking up your cross learning to serve others. Um it it really helps them to get through that. And this is mostly gibberish. Okay. The reality is ministry is an **[48:25]** authority position. It's not a it's not like you're high up like lofty, but it is an authoritative position. And when you're in authority over people, you have to be trustworthy. That's a pretty easy thing, Rick. Even secular people know this, right? When you when you put someone in charge of children, they better be safe for children to be around. When you put someone in charge of the church in the local church, the body of Christ in your local fellowship, they better be safe and healthy and good for the body of Christ. the body isn't there to be like served up on a platter to maybe see if their character is okay **[48:55]** or not. >> And uh we've seen tremendous results in a restoration process by doing that at times. >> The results that you've sometimes seen are guys like Todd Bentley and Mike Bickl and now Chris Reid. Uh it just goes on. Now 15 months after they found out uh that he had done this, he's officially made president. He said it was an 18-month restoration. I don't know how he's counting that math. Um 15 months later he's two months later he's brought into as as acting president. Then he becomes officially president of **[49:26]** Morning Star which later of course he fails and falls from and we'll talk about that. But this is how Rick Joiner in more recent years and times addresses these issues where he again this is part of the video that I just showed you a clip of but it's more recent. This is more recent. He's kind of like dealing with the aftermath now. Now everybody knows what what Rick did and he's trying to explain it to his church because they were kept in the dark before. He blames God. Tell me I'm wrong. >> But um anyway, I feel like things were **[49:57]** done that should have disqualified Chris from being made the leader of this ministry. I would that I had the discernment. I didn't I didn't discern these things. Uh, I asked the Lord because sometimes, you know, it things look one way and I understand they're another and I did ask the Lord, Lord, you have to make manifest the truth in this or any deception or **[50:28]** whatever. And I trusted the Lord to do it. Guess what he did? I just didn't ask him to do it then. I forgot to say do it now. And he happened to wait until this now. This is your leader. [sighs] I prayed that God would expose him, but I I just forgot to say do it now. Like I mean, I just forgot to add that part **[50:59]** into my prayer because God's like the genie in a bottle. and you you give him your wish and if you don't word it just perfectly he's like I'll sure I'll expose him but you didn't say now [laughter] like is that is this the logic behind it Rick is in La La Land and you cannot follow a leader that's in spiritual la land it's dangerous for everybody as has been proven Rick's ministry is now facing a very large number of allegations of um child molestation and **[51:30]** whatnot And under under Rick's leadership, which they they will plead that they didn't know, of course they would. But when you have patterns like this, patterns of behavior of putting people in front of others and not protecting them, it's it's on you. Is absolutely on you. So things are known about Chris. A lot more could be known about Chris at this time if people bothered paying attention or if they just said what they knew. I wouldn't be surprised if if some of these leaders know more about Chris than they were letting on. if Rick in particular did. **[52:02]** Um, again, it was after this he goes on, he writes his book, The Seven Spirits of God. He goes on the Sid Roth show. That book is endorsed by Lance Wallnau, Paul Keith Davis, Chuck Pierce, Ken Fish, and Rick Joiner actually writes the forward to that book and supports it in 2024. And now we come to another piece of the puzzle. I'll talk more about the drugs, the evidence of faking prophecy. I'll show how he fakes prophecy. We'll talk about the testimony of a man that died in relation to a fake prophecy from **[52:32]** Chris. All that's coming, but I want to just show a couple clips that someone put together showing Chris telling different versions of the same story about this woman and his interaction with her. And this is very relevant because I think there have been many women. That's my view. And I'll tell you why I think it in a moment. But look at the inconsistent statements from Chris. I want to demonstrate lies not only because these lies matter, but because it shows a pattern of behavior. And you need to know when your prophet is a liar. You got to know >> a few years ago, the biggest mistake in my life was I let my guard down and a **[53:05]** texting conversation went the wrong way and I had to stop. It wasn't nobody's fault but my own and I had to stop it. Thank God it didn't become anything more. It didn't become anything more. It didn't become anything more. >> That's before. That's earlier. Okay, that's 2024. Chris Reed. But you never know what's in your heart at any given moment. >> So, yes. >> Okay, this is 2025 Chris Reed. **[53:35]** >> There was um kissing involved. Rick knew that. Um Tom and Justin knew that. That was stated back then in 2021. So, what was it? kissing, not kissing, only texting. Was it all her and she aggressively did everything? He lies every step of the way. He only admits what he has to. And this is why **[54:06]** you will never get all of the guilt of Chris Reed. It's never going to come out because he'll never admit to it. He'll only go, "How much do you know?" "Okay, I did that part. Oh, you know the other thing. Okay, I did that, too." But but it wasn't what you think. He did some bad stuff with this. I have reason to believe, good reason to believe. Uh Chris has done this with three women at Morning Star just in his short tenure of time there that he tried to seduce three different women including the one that we know about um that is more public. I also have multiple witnesses say that **[54:38]** say there were other women before Chris even moved to Morning Star when he was at his previous church. In other words, this prophet is a he's a seductive prophet. He targets women is what it looks like. And he tries to get them prophetically connected. I have a word for you. I'm going to share you a special word. Will you wait after? Can I get your message? I don't have time to tell you tonight. Can I get your number? I'll tell you later. A special word for you. That kind of behavior can happen with a prophet and then he can then begin to wear you down. Tell me about what you're struggling with. It's a See, **[55:08]** he's getting deeper into your relational connection area, women, right? And he's doing so under the guise of I'm going to pray for you or God is for you and I'm for you and all this kind of thing. This has happened many times it seems in Chris Reed's life. It may be happening right now. Maybe maybe you're watching this and you're one of the women he's done this to. And um I'm very sorry if that's you. Uh don't give up on all things. Just realize what it was. Don't let it happen again. Repent and apologize to whoever you have to and get **[55:39]** rid of the manipulation that's still left over in your mind that Chris did to you. That's really important. So Chris resigns. Stuff's blowing up at Morning Star. He doesn't stick around. I keep saying he was the former president of Morning Star. That's because he leaves. And the reason why he leaves is partly or at least what he says to others is because all these allegations of sexual abuse inside their church come forward and he goes, "I don't want to be part of this. This isn't I I'm Mr. Mr. clean over here. I didn't do anything and I don't want to be managing this huge disaster. **[56:09]** The church is getting sued by pe by its own members now. I don't want to be part of this. So, he bails immediately. I mean, days after he bails, it comes out. This woman goes, he's not telling the truth. This is what happened with us. That's when it gets blown up. And then you start to go, what really what was the real reasons for him leaving? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But he takes off from Morning Star immediately. Is he Is he being corrected? Is he being sat down in ministry? No. No. No. Chris Reed plants another church instantaneously. He **[56:41]** plants another church. And that's where we get the drug problems. [music] So, there are plural multiple witnesses who've told me that uh this has been going on for many years and he has a he had a prescription drug problem. He's admitted publicly to having a problem with Kratom or which I don't know much about, but that's just the scapegoat uh according to these witnesses. Um and also I've seen footage where in 2016 he admits that in the in the past before **[57:12]** 2016 he had a prescription drug problem. And so it just seems as though it would it continued on for a long time. In fact, I called Chris Reed out. Some of you guys might remember this in my video on Shambles and and Bethl. I called out Chris Reid for faking tongues in his church service, which I'm convinced 100% he did. He faked Russian and he told people to move to his church, and I gave a full analysis of this in my video. Maybe I'll drop a clip here after I'm doing the editing. You have Chris Reed, more on that, who tried to bribe the **[57:43]** guys from the Remnant Radio when they were trying to expose him for being a fake prophet. >> But there is other allegations that we are aware of that have come to us. >> This will be news for the public. >> This will be news for everyone. Nobody knows this. So, you might have heard us online talk about knowing that someone has cheated prophetically. Allegations were brought to us um from multiple sources. So, we had logged a bunch of information suggesting that Chris Reed had minded information online in his prophetic words. We were informed **[58:14]** that Rick Joiner knew about this data mining that that Chris had already confessed this even before taking the job at Morning Star. And so we said, "Yeah, but what have you done to make it right with the victims?" But the there was a couple of other things that happened in this exchange. One, I got some really when when Chris he found out that I was asking questions about him that I was poking around. One of the people that I had interviewed and asked questions about called up Chris and told him what I was doing. Chris then sent me some really strange text. Hey, I know **[58:45]** that you're investigating me. Hey, I know that and and there was like a offer to give me money via PayPal, which is exactly what he did. >> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal, through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It was all those kind of things. And when we confronted Chris about that, he said, "Well, you know, I just kind of had this idea that you're supposed to bless those who persecute you, and I felt like you guys were persecuting me about something that I had already repented for and tried to own." What was also happening was that there was information that we didn't know that there was these other allegations of grooming this woman who **[59:16]** was a student at the school of ministry at Morning Star that he had done the same thing, offered her money. You know, there was it was like one allegation was siloed from the other allegation and those who were bringing this allegation forward didn't know about this other one over here. And so what you're seeing is collectively this is a person who's caught and is trying to get his way out of it without it becoming public. And even in the midst of this, I I begged Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know what the right answer is. I do think **[59:48]** this needs to be made public. I'm begging you to make this public." He said, "I understand." I said, "Listen, this is going to haunt you the rest of your life. Either you do this or someone will." who who I just saw a video yesterday of him apparently faking speaking in tongues in Russian because it seems he knew there would be a Russian guy present. So he says a phrase in Russian that is like you should move and come to this church and he says that's for the online audience. God's calling you to move and come to my church. Same old same old, right? It's always move here, move here. That's the that's the that's the big thing. **[60:18]** >> I can't just let go until I feel the release of the Holy Spirit. Now, this video was just sent to me. It actually just happened at Chris Reed's new church. And somebody who quote has been close to Chris Reed for a few years now sent this to me. I have to read carefully what he said. This is what I was told. He believes this [snorts] to be false and was concerned enough to raise the alarm. He reached out to somebody and sent the video which then ended up with me. This **[60:48]** is someone that thought what Chris did here was so bad and so wrong that he needed to raise the alarm. So let me show you the reason why this is caused for concern. Now he's waiting for interpretation and at first no one speaks and then a woman is congregation gives an interpretation **[61:20]** that did doesn't satisfy Chris. >> Yeah. And so as you seek these things, deal with them in your own heart and by the spirit and by my word. So, because this isn't the interpretation he wants, he's waiting for more. >> Man, there's a weight of glory. >> He decides to say it again. And if you look, it looks very clearly like he's **[61:52]** reading this off of the platform in front of him. This woman actually goes to interpret it again. >> And so you see it will be like this. You will deal with those things in the spirit and it will be released in. And **[62:24]** >> what's funny here is this is a different interpretation than the one she brought before even though he said the exact same thing. and you will know me. And they will see the love of God in you and declare Christ is in their midst. >> Hallelujah. >> Russia. >> Say it again. >> Russian. >> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help me. Back there. Back there. >> So this is the pivot moment. This guy **[62:56]** says it's Russian. And immediately Chris says, "Say it again." This is this, I believe, is what he was waiting on the whole time. You're going to see this was a well orchestrated, planned out thing. So, this comes with a request, right? The woman did not get a microphone. Not at all. He just let her talk. What happens when Chris sees that there's a guy who says it's Russian? He gets very excited. He gets him a microphone. **[63:27]** And notice that right there he goes rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks in tongues he speaks quiet. He speaks kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead this time when he speaks in Russian he speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak walking around. He speaks while looking at his pulpit. Everything about this looks sketchy. So >> it was the Russian that's >> which was Russian >> u like >> was it the one that who gave the Russian >> I you said twice it was the same uh sentence it's in Russian **[64:02]** I called you to be here why you resist me >> wow >> it was a twice said you said this twice in Russian >> I said it twice >> yes the same sentence. >> I do not know Russian. >> Yeah, [snorts] >> you could probably tell by my accent. >> Yeah. >> And what is again I the the translation >> I called you to be here. >> Why you resist me? **[64:33]** >> Why do you resist me? >> Yeah. >> I called you to be here. Why do you resist me? This is a request for people to move to his church. Remember I told you about the come here strategy? This is part of it right here. This is Chris Reed doing it. >> That's someone online. >> Yeah. >> And God put a Russianspeaking person in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds like Acts two to me. **[65:05]** >> We do hear these men. Are they not Galileans? speak in our language the wonderful works of God. >> And this is where the payoff comes because if he gets people online, okay, this is all, of course, all my commentary here is based upon observation and what it looks like to me. I think that this is accurate. This makes the most sense and it it fits with the the the person who has known him for years, who sent this to us. Well, to someone who sent it to me, I'll just say that. And this just happened. This ju this I didn't know about this until like **[65:36]** yesterday. This just happened. And this is the come here strategy. I want I want people online to come here. And it gets a bit more deep because Chris has just left Morning Star Church. That's Rick Joiner's church. He left kind of disgraced. Morning Star is in a bunch of turmoil because because Rick Joiner has put up predators and put them into his congregation and his own people are now suing him because of that. So this come here thing looks like it's directed at Morning Star and other churches because he wants to get his own thing going. **[66:10]** It goes along with what he preached. >> What did I say one more time? I I'm so drunk. >> Sounds to me like just knew that a Russian speaker would be there. >> The second time you said really well. I mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um it it was like I call you to be here. Why you resist? Why do you resist? >> I call you to be here. Why do you resist? >> We want to meet this person. Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing to camera three right now. **[66:43]** >> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah. Right. >> There are people, >> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I believe in tongues and interpretation. That's happened here today. But we actually have someone here who speaks fluent Russian. >> Translation. >> That wasn't tongues and interpretation. That was tongues and translation. Yes, >> I don't know Russian one bit. I barely know English. **[67:14]** >> But there are people that are watching and you are invested or at least you think you are and you think your money has tied you down. I've put too many years. I've put too much money in another thing in another place and you're plugging holes in a sinking ship. I'm informed that this most likely is going to be interpreted as him referring to Morning Star Church. >> But the people that are in the ship don't know it's sinking until it goes under. >> See, he used to be the guy at Morning Star and he left and now he's trying to **[67:45]** get people to join him >> until everybody that's in the ship is hoping that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm not speaking about any one ministry. There are others. There are several. There are people that God is calling here to form this body. I've called you here. Why do you resist? That's what it said. >> But man, I tell you, there are people that are listening right now. Don't let a lie keep you [snorts] **[68:16]** >> from following God. >> Again, this commentary is based upon what looks to be the case and makes a lot of sense with this guy's track record. He is manipulating the people of God. He's doing this not in the fear of God, but for ulterior motives. And and I feel bad for the Russian in the audience who thinks he just participated in something wonderful and amazing and from the Holy Spirit. This is why we have to blow up coverup culture because if the leaders who had been over and around Chris Reed would call him out as they should, he would never have a platform to manipulate **[68:47]** people like this. Okay, so that clip that was in my video that went up on Shambles weeks ago. That video was seen by Chris, it seems. And the next day he shows up to teach at his church on Sunday morning. And I saw this and it seems that maybe he's agitated because I've called him out in a video that's going viral and it's very embarrassing perhaps for him, although I believe it's all true. He shows up and he appears to be high during church service. Let me give you some reason to think that. I even have my palm wrench here for show **[69:19]** and tell. No, I'm kidding. It is raining cats and dogs outside. Let me skip on down because I didn't put it in the PowerPoint. I lost track of the place where it speaks of the seven sons ofKeva. Forgive me. What verse? >> 13. >> Verse 13 and 14. Thank you for your help. So, I got to verse 12 and I only **[69:51]** needed two more. That's how it works. Now, when Paul and his company loosed, am I right? >> Chapter 19. >> What chapter you in? >> I'm in chapter 13. Oh my goodness. You can tell I did this late last night. I I'm So, Acts 19's up here. I'm reading from Acts 13 on here. Forgive me. I'll straighten up. It'll get better. But I also have a video **[70:22]** where I'm going to show what I believe is Chris going from a state of sober to a state of some sort of intoxication. Uh I'm not saying it's alcohol, but some kind of like drug influence. That seems very obviously true. This first clip, I guess I I recorded it while I was playing it at 1.8 speed, so it's a little fast, but you can see that Chris on his on his face. The next clip will be fine, but this one's a little bit quick. His eyes, his his speech, he's fine. He's sober. He's normal. He's clear >> there. No, you probably can't see it there. Probably gonna have to do it too **[70:52]** again. Um, >> he's doing a live stream here and he's about to let his buddy here, Jack, share a message. >> So, that's December 31st, 2019. You can see that. So, that's >> notice he's using his notepad on his phone. This is his prophetic trick. We'll come back to this later. This is what he does. He goes, "Look at the date on the It's December 31st, 2019. See, I prophesied this ahead of time." Cuz he uses the iPhone notepad and says, "You can't change those dates. >> We'll receive more freedom and more rights there." Uh but there's there's not an end uh to major explosions coming, more nuclear plants being taken **[71:24]** out. I know there's one they haven't touched yet. Basher >> nuclear plant. God had showed me some things about um they're afraid of leakage from that. >> That's one of the main ones like I think it's B u HR. >> But he seems to be clear in his mind and his eyes. All right. The next one >> is going to be um an event that happens in the same video, but this happens a little while later. So what happens is Chris leaves and for like I don't know 30 minutes or so he allows this guy Jack to talk. He allows him to speak and to **[71:54]** be in in charge of giving the message. This is the message portion. Chris goes away. As soon as he starts wrapping it up, Chris shows up again and he appears very much. Hi >> has made his way back over to us. >> Wow. >> Yes, sir. I listened every bit downstairs [snorts] just cuz I didn't want you to feel like you had to be rushed or anything. He's giving an excuse as to why he wasn't even in the room. He had left entirely. He says he listened downstairs, but uh but I think **[72:26]** he was doing something that he didn't want to be in the room for. >> You feel like you got out of your >> I I think so. There's a few more stories, but I'll save them for next time. Right. >> I tell you. >> Yes, sir. what you were sharing was uh inspiring. I know it inspired the people that are listening. Did you have a couple of words of knowledge? >> Now he's asking him to give a few words of knowledge. And is this at this moment where if you'll just honestly just watch Chris's face? Um maybe I can make it a little bit easier for you to see it. **[72:56]** Yeah. [sighs] >> Got a couple of things that uh I believe the Lord has shown me. Um >> in fact, I'm just going to mute his sound. He's going to talk about things he thinks God showed him. And Chris is going to reveal what on earth is going on with this guy. You could say he looks like he's tired or something. He was fine a minute ago. Now what's he doing with his jaw? His eyes. He seems like **[73:28]** Dude, dude seems high. He seems absolutely high. guy sitting next to him, Jack Linder. That is right now his singular, according to my witnesses, accountability partner to keep him from using drugs. Jack Linder sitting right next to him. This is the weird wild world of fake prophecy. **[74:02]** You can just see him struggling to stay alert. This is not unheard of. Even to the people in his own congregation, they know he's admitted that he uses that he's used that. But it's more than that, guys. It's more than that. It's longer than that. And it's happened since he's admitted it. Um the issue here is that you have a guy who's supposed to be acting prophetically, acting as a leader in the discourse of his duties under the influence. That is something that's deeply problematic. Now, this drug thing gets especially uh problematic when you **[74:34]** consider that he's done it in the course of prophesying, in the course of ministering, in the course of teaching. Um I my heart goes out to anybody who has a drug problem, want to get you help, but there's a reason why you can't have that problem and drive a car. Same reason why you can't have that problem and be the guy in charge of the spiritual well-being of everybody in the room. That that's a dangerous thing for others. That's when your personal problem that we want you to get help for becomes a problem for everybody. Crazy that the guy is supposed to hold him accountable is Jack Linder right **[75:05]** there. [music] All right. I want to talk about how Chris threatened me prophetically. Uh first thing he did was he used a note. He used a note. So, let's look at the video where he actually does this. He did this on camera and he suggests that God gave him a prophetic word about Mike Winger before Mike Winger made a video that featured um in a very small part featured Chris Reed. So, I come to you humbly today, **[75:36]** tonight. It's 3:30 in the morning, [snorts] Friday, January 23rd. And uh there was, you know, already one video that went out this week that attacked about every minister that is alive. You know, he's talking about my video. Um I don't believe these tears by the way, but but that's maybe that's personal experience. When I talked to Chris, he cried three times on the phone or on the on the Zoom call. Um and one of the times it was really odd because as he cried and he kind of like looked like peaked up like **[76:07]** this, like he went he's crying. and he goes like he was peeking to see if I was responding. It just felt fake. when you're attacked in [snorts] a list uh with people whose names are [snorts] uh Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, Rick Joiner, uh Mike Bel, Paul Kaine, Chris Reed, Bob Jones, William Brham, John Lindell, Patricia King, Stacy Campbell, Chayon, **[76:38]** Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copelan, Michael Koulianis, Danny Silk, Sid Roth, Terresa Deadmond, Marilyn Hickey, Emma Stark, Todd White, Sean Foy. That was uh posted six days ago. [snorts] >> That was me. I I posted on social media a list of names that would come up in the coming video. I thought it was important to draw the right attention to it. >> As you can see, and I have to say about Mr. Winganger, **[77:10]** there's many things that he said that I agree with. I wish I would love to meet him. I would think I I think he would find that I'm not this terrible evil person that he thinks that I am. >> We did meet for uh about 2 hours and for the first hour and 40 45 minutes of it, he talked and I just listened. Um but you can look this up. I screenshotted this. It says 51 minutes **[77:41]** ago, but I [snorts] screenshotted this last Friday uh when he posted it. >> Here it comes. >> Now, last Friday would have been [snorts] the 16th of January. I'm going to share with you a prophetic encounter I had minutes before the 15th. The date at the top is January 14th. >> So, he's showing you an iPhone note. **[78:13]** This [clears throat] is a real iPhone note. For those who are thinking it's photoshopped, that's not the trick. Um, this is a real iPhone note. And if you take an iPhone note, it will always show the date on your iPhone on the note. And so, he's saying, "This is this is proof that I had this vision from God before." And he's going to read it to you now. Um, this is a it's a it's a fake prophecy about me, including a threat from God to me. And I'm sharing this not because of a personal thing. Actually, Chris has done this to a lot of people. **[78:44]** And I would like those people to watch this video and know, guys, that was fake. You can ignore it. You're free. He has no power over you at 11:53 p.m. So, I was 7 minutes away from it being January 15th. So, there's going to be people that'll say, "I was a day off." I was a day and seven minutes off. [snorts] I just had a vision of his initials MW is going to release a video to expose me. No one has told me this. This has become his emmo. He's attacked **[79:15]** just about every leader that I can think of. And I know this is a warning to pray against it. He will dig up as much past as possible [snorts] and people will see through it. Lord, I ask in Jesus name that you stop Mike from releasing this video to attack me or at least minimize any harm to me or my family a lot. I want you guys to notice the manipulative nature of bringing up family. Um, so let me give **[79:45]** you an example. When Chris Reed, the fake prophet, brings up me as an enemy of the work of God, uh, as a a a leech and a vampire he'll talk about later. Um, do you think that might have an effect on my family? people believing that, right? But I don't bring that up. You know why? Because it's inappropriate. First, we must establish the truth of the thing. Then we can talk about the effect it has on people. Because if if in fact you are guilty of these things, the effect it has on your family is your fault. If you're innocent, then it's the fault of the accuser, the person who's accusing you. **[80:16]** But it's just manipulative to bring it up. >> Lost my mom in May and I already struggle with PTSD from the mounting events over the last year plus. >> So I struggle. I lost my mom. I've lost my mom too, Chris. I would never bring that up in this context. It's manipulative. >> There have [snorts] been days I've even prayed for you to take me home. The fact that I'm recording this vision beforehand should show that the prophetic is real, of which he will try to prove his fake or data mind and that **[80:47]** the Lord is very very angry with him in these endless campaigns against many ministries. Do you hear that? The Lord is very angry at me and my endless campaigns against many ministries. I do believe that God, as far as I know, to the best of my knowledge, would be pleased with what I'm doing because I'm following scripture and um and I I pray I do it well. But that's a threat threatening the anger of God against me. That's a threat. Now, if this is real, thank you for the warning. If it's fake, **[81:17]** God doesn't take it lightly when you use his name in vain. There's no way I could have known that he would release a video against me talking about [snorts] when Mike responds to this, he'll release a video against me. He of all people would know that. So, I created a timestamp note the day before he'll release the video. The Lord still reveals the secrets from the house chamber of [snorts] the enemies of the true prophetic. In the video, he'll be wearing a light blue shirt. Look at **[81:48]** the bottom right screen. Now, this [snorts] is timestamped. January 14th, 2026 at 11:53 p.m. I'll be honest with you. You can say I was a day off. That's fine. We know in part. We prophesy in part. I thought basically he's got this note. It's got the day before I did my video. Is it coming up next? Yeah, it's coming up real. Yeah, it's coming up next. Okay. This will be where we reveal his his number one trick how he makes these fake notes. **[82:21]** It was the 15th. I was 7 minutes away. I said he'd release it the next day. Well, the next day he puts out this post of all these names that he's going to release. And he said he had more to add. That's why he's releasing it the next day. At least that's how [snorts] I understand it. Okay, that was the the prophecy and the threat, right? Um **[82:53]** I spoke to multiple witnesses who are genuinely afraid of Chris. Um when you have a guy who wields for some you just you just dismiss him. Oh, he's a prophet. Okay, but imagine if you believe that that guy might actually be a prophet and he speaks to you in God's name threats like the following. That would terrify you. This would cause you to lose sleep. This would cause you to be afraid for your children, the safety of your own relatives. Um, that's what he does. He is a He is a prophetic terrorist. He's a fake prophet and a prophetic terrorist. That's what I will maintain. And he does this fake note thing all the time. He uses it all the **[83:24]** time. In fact, on his web page, you can see I'll show you this. You can see he's using this fake note thing right now. Um, although maybe he'll edit it after I put this video up. Who knows? But here it is. This is on his actual web pages. I just did a screen grab where he has three different notes where they're all iPhone notepad things and they're all dated at the top to before events happened. Now, he always shows us these notes after the events happen, but the notes are dated to before the events happening. And you trust, okay, well, that's probably real, isn't it? So, I **[83:56]** made one. This is how easy this trick is. You go into your phone and you go to the settings and you change the date and time. You change the date and time to before today, sometime in the past. Then you add whatever you want into that thing. You you can say set the date to any date you want and make up any fake prophecy you want. I'll give you an example of how I did this. Okay? And I'm going to hold it up to the screen here so you can see it really is real. I'll hold it up to the camera rather. This is from 2016. **[84:28]** 10 years ago, I prophesied. Okay, so check this out right there. See the top of the screen? January 14th, 2016, 11:38 p.m. 10 years from now, Chris Reed will fake a prophecy about Mike Winger. He'll do this by changing the date in his iPhone so that his note will appear to be prior to the events he pretends to prophesy about. He will wear a royal blue shirt and cry. What? It's It's not just a a Photoshop. This is like an actual note. I could edit the note. In fact, I'll do it right now. I edit the **[84:58]** note and I'll save it. And guess what? It just changed dates. Now it's February 22nd, 2026. Proof. Undeniable proof. Chris tells me there's been documentaries on his notes, on his his notes, which can't be faked according to him. I tried to call him out on this on Facebook, and I'm going to show you guys the exchange. Once you see it for what it is, listen, this will stop people from being afraid of this guy. I'm confident of it, because when you realize how fake it is, you're like, "Oh my gosh, this is like seeing the the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain is what **[85:31]** it's like." So, here we go. Put this on your screen. Chris Reed in the video that I just showed you where he puts up the notepad. I put a comment on that video on Facebook. I said, "Check out my prophecy from 10 years ago." The fake note prophecy is easy. I believe this is what Chris did in his video and he's done it many times before. What hubris. And I put it right there. You know, 10 years from now, Chris blah blah blah. Chris actually responded. Now, you notice there's no likes because I'm hidden on his on his Facebook page, but he can see it. and he replied. He says, **[86:01]** "Uh, Mike Winger, great. Can you scroll up and down and show it's an actual note? I've had documentaries done showing my note app and how it pulls up and down uh timestamped prophecies all while and while we're at it, I told you we were taking we were talking in my studio through Zoom and on my laptop." Okay, this is a recording issue. I'll come back to that later. All right, so our conversation continues and here Chris puts a video and in that video he's moving the notepad up and down. I can't play it now because he deleted this whole post. But [laughter] but in **[86:31]** this video, he does that. Now I respond with my own video. He puts his video, I put my video, and I can't play it here because after I did, I made a video of me moving it up and down to show it's the same as his. He immediately deleted this entire thread. Our conversation here no longer exists. I've showed you guys uh that I can in fact reproduce the same thing, and you could, too. It's very easy. It's it's not a difficult prophecy thing to fake at all. It's very simple and easy. That is how easy it is for this guy to do his **[87:03]** stick because discernment has been squashed in the movement and accountability doesn't exist. Because when a leader goes south or does something wrong, it stays as quiet as humanly possible. And when you have things like fraudulent ministry, you have to rebuke them in the presence of all. Like scripture says, you have to do what Matthew 18 says in the third step where you tell it to the brethren. There's a warning that has to go out when you have this kind of egregious type of sin going on. Now, I want to be clear the reason why **[87:34]** I'm sharing some of these things here. Um cuz some I I fear may not fully immediately see the need to expose this kind of thing. Um, Chris is lying in the name of God, but he's also just lies about random stuff. He lies about the sin that he's committed. He lies about people and individuals and the things that they're doing. to show this pattern of deception is going to be important because as I show how he contributed to oh basically making a pastor's life very rough and difficult and devastating and **[88:06]** also contributed to the death of one of his friends because of a fake prophecy. This track record of lies that I'm showing you is significant and important in helping establish these things because it must be known that Chris Reed should never ever be in ministry in any way, shape or form in the future. He cannot be trusted. You can't trust a man like this. You cannot trust a man like this. Not with leadership, not with spiritual authority. That can't ever happen. He needs to be done forever. Period. And if any way, shape or form **[88:38]** he's in ministry, it's a travesty uh upon the church uh to his own ministry people and to the name of Christ. Um so one of his lies to me, this was a big one. And the reason it was big is because a number of people have told me Chris Reed will bring down the wrath of God upon himself. He will say, "God, strike me. God, kill my wife and children if I'm lying to you." He will say things like this, crazy stuff like that, and then lie. So, this is when someone lies a lot, **[89:09]** they start doing really big oaths. This is why Jesus says, "Let your let your yes be yes and your no be no." Because when people have these giant O's they bring out, it's because they're not trustworthy. And so they try to up the ante. So he did this with me. When Chris and I met over Zoom on February 11th at 10:30 a.m. Pacific time, I had announced to people I was going to have a conversation with Chris Reid. When I announced it, I said what witnesses had assured me of that Chris will secretly record my meeting with him. I am Mr. Transparent with all this stuff. Okay, **[89:40]** he's going to record it. I know ahead of time. I'm just going to treat it like it's recorded. Fine. I won't record it, but I I expect him to do so. He did not like this. And so he in the beginning of our discussion, he goes, "Mike, what can I do to convince you I'm not recording right now." It was very important to him to build that level of trust. And I was like, "It's not going to happen. I already know too much." So he says, "I swear to God, may God strike me if I'm recording." And I thought, I still don't believe him, but wow, what a big thing to say. Then in the course of our discussion, Chris found it important to **[90:12]** hold up his phone and show me a picture of him and Michael Miller from the Remnant Radio who's a friend of mine. Um, this is some kind of a credibility thing or I don't know exactly what he was doing, but he decides to show me this thing. Here's a picture of him and Michael Miller. If you Now, what what I noticed is not the picture. What I notice is the reflection of the computer screen. And I grabbed a quick snip. I grabbed a screenshot of this uh which is not recording the conversation, but I did that. And you can see here, it's a little difficult to make out, but those **[90:42]** are those are sound bars. Those are sound levels, and they were going up and down the way that they are on my other screen over here because I'm recording. They were going up and down, and I thought, h what an interesting thing. I also got another screenshot that shows that there's they're in color here. They're actually he's showing his vision. They're in color here. And this screenshot shows that this recording was active or that the event was active. Now, I asked for help. I went to the interwebs and I said, "Hey, Twitter, uh, **[91:12]** can you guys help me with this? I'd like to know what recording software this is." And people obliged. I went ahead and took that camera shot I had, that screenshot. I reversed the image so you could read it. Actually says camera 5 here. And I said, "Someone help me find out what software this is." And I did get help. People helped me track it down. Thank you, Twitter people. Um, I also took a screenshot of his setup. I go, he uses this setup. Maybe this keyboard thing. This, it'll tell you what kind of software he's using to record. Turns out it does. He's using **[91:44]** this software here, ATM or Adam or Atom uh, Extreme Mini Extreme. This is the device he's using to record. And somebody on the internet recreated the image themselves. Thank you, Benjamin, for doing this. I do appreciate it. Benjamin was able to recreate the exact same look using the exact same system. Okay. All that to say, Chris, logically speaking, he was recording our meeting. That's why the sound levels were going up and down. That's why my voice going **[92:15]** into his system was causing sound levels on his system to go up and down because he had his recording software out and open. Now, you might think, but maybe he wasn't actually recording. Maybe Chris didn't hit record because he did say, "God, strike me dead if I'm recording." That seems unlikely for the following reason. At the very end of our call, after an hour and 45 minutes or so of me just listening to Chris go on and on and on and tell his version of every event he can think, uh, often not true things. After all of that, I told him, "I know **[92:47]** you lied to me. I know that you're recording. I have a screenshot that shows your recording software." He immediately picked up his phone. He he showed me the reflection. He could sense what I was doing, I think, immediately. And he showed me the reflection again, except this time the recording software was gone. What does all that mean? Well, if the recording software was there, but you were never recording with it. You would just be like, "Let me show you. I'll put the camera on. You can look see the software, but it's not engaged. It's not recording." And you could you could lie about that, too. You can just hit a button. But instead, he shows me the **[93:18]** screen and it's gone. Meaning, he removed the evidence very, very quickly. Again, he lied. Why is that important? Because there are many people who've been told things in the name of God. Chris threatened um Rick Joiner in the name of God, right? He was acting president, but Chris didn't like this in Morning Star. He wanted to be full-on complete authority president in every way, shape, and form without Chris looming over him. So, he prophesied that if Chris didn't give him full authority, God was going to kill him within the year. That's what I'm talking about. That's that's the prophetic terrorism we're talking about. **[93:51]** That call ended poorly. I told Chris he was a blight upon the name of Christ. I told him he was a liar and I didn't trust him and that I knew several things that he said were not true because I knew more than I revealed to him. And I terminated the call. Um I recall telling him, "Chris, you're done." Um that same day, Chris does a live stream. I'm going to play some clips, a significant amount from that live stream. Then we will move soon to Pastor Alan **[94:23]** Hawkins and he's going to tell the story of Chris and how Chris um contributed to the death of a of a man through fake prophecy. So here is that stream. [music] So after our call, I think Chris was a little riled up. Um I don't think I lost my cool. Um, I spoke firmly to him and let him know exactly what I thought. Um, that was appropriate to rebuke a man who was lying for an hour and 45 minutes, **[94:53]** deceiving in the name of God, trying to get away with continued abuses, lying about his victim, this woman who he clearly tried to seduce and uh, all this other stuff. So, after that, he was pretty riled up. He's pretty upset. He immediately does a stream called Lilach Has Two Daughters. And this is from that stream. I'm gonna go ahead and put it on your guys' screen and you can see for yourselves the kind of treatment this is the kind of treatment you get from Chris Reid from prophets from big big- time prophets in the movement when you cross **[95:24]** them or when you threaten them that you might expose them. They do this to you. This is what Mike Bickl did. Mike Bickl gave prophecies threatening uh a woman in the congregation to keep her silent. This is what they do. or they give uh Bill Johnson just tweeted out the other day a uh a post that characterized the people who were who were asking for accountability inside Bethl and for Bethl uh as people who are trying to kill him with stones like you you get this kind of treatment >> and I'm concerned about a spirit of cannibalism **[95:56]** that has entered into the church and the religious spirit looks a whole lot like the spiritual side of a person. They they're they almost look identical. >> So when you say that there's a spirit of cannibalism, and you'll see clearly this is in response to me and those who would who would uh be coming against Chris right now because he deserves it. When you say that they have a spirit of cannibalism, all of these kinds of accusations are always hypocritical, right? When you accuse people of having a spirit of cannibalism, that is itself a cannibalistic activity based upon your **[96:28]** own definition. When you accuse them having religious spirit and attacking and defaming, that is of course attacking and defaming. And by your own definition, a religious spirit. What we need to do is focus on truth, not who's labeling accusations, right? Because the accusation itself is not true or is not good or bad unless it is established as true or false. In this case, his or false. And the ones I'm bringing are true. But I'm going to tell you right now, there are things happening in this world. Sometimes I let me just be frank with you. You have to almost sometimes **[97:00]** detach from media and especially social media. This is something I've seen commonly. Um Todd White did this recently asking people to uh get off social media. There's others as well. Get off social media. Um at Boschaf, who I just did a video on him. Uh, I think this was before my video, but but he was criticizing social media for commenting against his ministry and his his stuff that he's got this wrong. And so they've cut off all comments on social media. **[97:31]** The censoring of social media is very consistent. And the warnings about getting off of social media that [clears throat] often happens nowadays with the fake profits because if they usually can't control the thinking of people online, just the ones in the room. Sometimes there's a need for that detaching from it because you can get so sucked in. Speaking of a leech, you can get so sucked in with just, you know, **[98:04]** all these just different controversies and things that are going around and all of the it's, you know, the obvious things that are happening right now. It's like sometimes you have to detach from that and connect to the infusion source. >> I mean obviously you want to be mindful personally I don't follow everything on social media that's going on and I agree with that in principle. The application is the question. Um there's plenty of things you guys you guys debate and discuss and I'm like I haven't even looked into that. I don't intend to. I **[98:34]** just don't try to follow every single thing that's going on in the world. But the application of course has to do with, let's be real, Mike Winger. He doesn't want people to be exposed. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I will recant anything I've said. I will publicly apologize. I'll make a video championing your stellar character, Chris, and how what an amazing and true prophet you are. I would be willing to do that, but it'd have to be true. And that's the thing you don't want. You don't want them people to even think about the truth. You just want them to submit to your shenanigans because you are you are **[99:05]** a mediocre mentalist masquerading as a prophet. Our words, you got to be careful. Guard your words because speaking against someone, this is why I'm I plead with you. Be careful. I'm not trying to control your life, but just all of this social media stuff of people attacking other Christians, it's spiritual cannibalism. Of course, when you say that, you're **[99:35]** attacking a bunch of people just without naming names, just keeping it very vague. >> Paul warned about he warned the church about biting and devouring one another. >> Totally true. Don't bite and devour one another. Also, kick that guy out of the church. That's 1 Corinthians 5. Paul said that, didn't he? Uh Jesus, let him be to you as a tax collector and a sinner. Jesus Jesus said that there are times for accountability, right, Chris? You should be kicked out of the church for sure. We're there. **[100:07]** The spirit of deception is running rampant right now and we're biting and devouring one another. I >> there's another thing here which is they always elevate what's happening to them personally as if it's about the whole church like globally um there is accountability happening inside charismatic churches to a degree right now what's really happening right now is not actually not so much accountability as is awareness accountability has yet to come accountability to pastor Steve Wit of Bethl Cleveland for false pro fake prophecy false prophecy um that **[100:39]** isn't happening um he had a closed meeting at his church said that his prophecy was actually accurate He just he just named their own governor. Uh totally not true. Totally not true. Then they silence social media. They're they they silence some of their own members from trying to ask questions and and not just ask questions, but but in but make claims like, "Hey, this this is wrong. We need accountability." There's awareness at Bethl of what's going on. They've just pulled Ben Armstrong down after public videos were made showing that he it looks like he did something very illegal and wrong and **[101:10]** groomy. Um, I won't get into it here, but with uh with someone under his uh pastoral care, I won't get into that. There's more there's more to that story that's not good. But, um, yeah, he's pulled down, but but has there been actual accountability amongst the leadership for the things? No, I don't think so. Um, I think that Bill Johnson knew about Shambles years before he says he did, before they say he did, and that it wasn't an accident or an oops, just like he went and wrote the forward to Chris Reed's book. **[101:41]** So, there's awareness, but not yet accountability. Just want to point that out. >> See elders in the faith that I have great love and respect for maybe haven't always done everything perfect, but they're being taken hostage in their own ministry right now. That's what a cover up goon would say about accountability. You'd think that's being taken hostage in your own ministry. But guess what? It's not yours. I I don't own my ministry. If it's really ministry, it's the Lord's. And I can be held accountable and even removed from it. **[102:11]** That that's that needs to be in place. >> And it's the church has got to rise up in courage. Let your feet be shaw with the gospel of peace. What does that mean? That means Holy Spirit, don't let my feet go anywhere. um or be around people or be around environments that don't bring me peace. If the peace can't stay shodd to your feet, then don't go there. >> Okay, this seems like a weird tangent, but it's not. He's actually going to be **[102:42]** talking here about his conversation with me earlier just a couple hours before this video, and he'll say, "Uh, I shouldn't have had that conversation, basically." But this [clears throat] is a misuse of scripture, right? Having your feet feet shot with the gospel of peace is is about I'm bringing the gospel of reconciliation with God through Christ, his death and resurrection, his atoning his atoning sacrifice for my sin. I'm bringing that to the world, right? I have the gospel that I'm carrying with me wherever I go. That's what it means. It does not mean I have a sense of internal peacefulness no **[103:12]** matter what I'm doing. That is not what it means. Jesus did not have that sense of internal peace. not in not in the way he's describing when he was in the garden of Gethsemane and he was sweating great drops of blood and he was like my I'm sorrowful to the point of death and he was pleading let this cup pass from me right so that kind of peace you shouldn't as a Christian expect that all the time it's okay if you don't have that all the time we have faith that can sustain us we have we hope for peace but we don't always have emotional peace and it's okay >> the Lord rebuked me today I'm just going **[103:44]** to be transparent with you I did not follow my peace on a specific situation. I you know and sometimes when you don't follow your peace, peace has to be your guide. I'm not saying that there aren't times that you have to rise up in courage and and fight back against cancel culture and and and the cancel culture, the MeToo movement that is infiltrated the church right now. And Brian Simmons **[104:15]** said that what was happening with the Passion translation when I hired scholars, they reviewed it on their own accord. They came to the conclusion that it was problematic and they all unanimously were like, "This is not good. This is a bad translation." Um, when I did that to try to help rescue the church from a manipulative, distorted version of the Bible that's serving the purposes of Brian Simmons and propagating theology that is not present in scripture. Um, he said it was cancel culture. Sound familiar? What we need to rise up against is cancel culture, right? This isn't cancel **[104:46]** culture, man. We're not canceling you because you offended people. It's not like you you you said an off-color joke one time and now you're you're your whole ministry is ruined. No, man. You're a fake prophet. You manipulate people. You you sexually seduce people under your pastoral care. You're you're satanic in your behaviors. So, yeah, you're you're you should be done. You're done. You should be done from ministry. Period. That's not cancel culture. That's biblical accountability. >> Yes, I am for standing up for advocates of any kind of abuse. Please, for the **[105:19]** love of goodness sake, don't take me out of context. I'm just simply saying there are some people who have become bloodthirsty. >> He means me. and and they feel they have been given authority to address the entire body of Christ. Even the Apostle Paul recognized the limits of his spiritual authority. >> Okay, we'll talk about Apostle Paul in a second because let's do the Bible study here together. Um uh I do not have authority over the body of Christ. What **[105:49]** I've said from the beginning is this. I think that Christians inside of Chris's church, inside of Bethl, inside of Morning Star, inside Jesus image, inside IHOP, and inside charismatic churches or even non-carismatic churches, if they just knew about some of the fraud and the abuses and the ungodliness that was happening amongst their leaders. I think most churches are good, by the way. I hope that that's true. But there's many that are that are seriously problematic amongst the leadership. And if they just **[106:20]** knew it, they would deal with it themselves. Cuz I have not exerted a single ounce of authority on any church in the charismatic world. I have appealed to the people to hold their own leaders accountable. And that has been what has what is happening. And that's why something isffect is effective in all of this. It's Bethl has some small bit amount of accountability now. Not not enough to be honest, not remotely enough. Not not even honest accountability in some cases yet. But that what they do have is purely because the people there are asking for it, not **[106:50]** because of Mike Winger. All I did was help them see what was there. He wrote twothirds of the New Testament. And yet there are some people that think they are judge, jury, and executioner and from the other side of the world or the other side of the country determine whether or not you remain true to your calling and stay true to who God has called you to be. >> So I'm not judge, jury, and executioner. Um, I am called to use discernment. I am called to be steward well the the people who come to me and the people who hear me like yourself. Um, the influence I **[107:22]** have over o over your life in some way. I'm very much accountable to God for that. But I'm not jury and executioner, right? Cuz I don't actually have the power to pull Chris Reed out of anything. If anything happens to him, it's because his own people ask for it. It's because they demand biblical justice and appropriate behavior. And who does it come from? Paul the Apostle. The same guy he appeals to. As if Paul wouldn't say that guy's evil, pull him out. He calls it Judaizers wicked. Says he wishes they would cut themselves off innuendo, right? He says this about guys **[107:54]** that are not part of his ministry. He says this about them. He goes to Jerusalem, not a church he's planted, and he has a debate there with the leaders to insist that there is um some precedent for the full grace of the gospel of Christ in people's lives. Paul didn't do whatever Chris readed thinks Paul did. Um, he wrote in 1 Timothy 5:20, "The elder who is sinning, rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear." Paul wrote that. That's what that's what I'm following there. So Chris is just making stuff up. No, **[108:27]** that's what the leech wants to suck out of you, the joy of the Lord. And and if the leech sucks blood out of you, the leech gets bigger and bigger and bigger and noticeable and more noticeable and more noticeable and it sucks the strength from you. Well, what is the joy of the Lord? Your >> Okay, so there's some weird tangent here about like basically I'm making him feel bad. I think so. I'm a leech. >> Strength. Some of you have no idea right now the battles that I'm waging behind **[108:57]** the scenes of of of of the spiritual cannibalism in the church. And I'm not talking about in friends of the bridegroom church. I'm talking about in the church. >> That's the name of his local church, Friends of the Bridegroom. But he's talking about me >> church abroad. And there are many leaders that will not stop stand up to this cancel culture. I'm not talking about c I'm not talking about, you know, protecting abusers. **[109:28]** That's not what I'm talking about. >> It's absolutely what you're talking about. >> But but just bloodthirsty. Bloodthirsty. And this is a time for courage. Like >> imagine if he wasn't talking about me and he was talking about one of his congregants. Cuz he has done this. Someone in the congregation goes, "Chris, you have a drug problem. You need to step down. You need some time to heal. We're supporting you. We want to get you **[109:59]** accountability. We need to get you in a program. We got to get you some help." Right? They care about him. They're trying to have a path for him to even stay in ministry long term. And then he can give a message like this. Some people are bloodthirsty and everybody knows. In fact, he'll look right at him. I know this from a witness. He'll he'll he'll have a statement like this. Bloodthirsty just spirit of Jezebel. Look right at him in the church. That's why that's why he has to be stopped. He's a terrorist. no other. If **[110:30]** if attack and critique uh comes from people with large platforms again, why would they attack somebody unless they feel threatened or attacked by you know what I'm saying? It's like my lord. >> So I don't feel attacked or threatened. Uh no, I I think that the church is threatened by you, Chris Reed. I think that if nobody says anything, you're going to end up the leader of Morning Star in another 6 weeks or 6 months or whatever. They'll bring you right back in. And if it's not there, it'll be it'll be IHOP. Um or you'll take over **[111:00]** for Sid Roth and and you will continue to infect and harm and hurt the church while you groom women on the side and you make up prophecies and you terrorize people. This is easy, man. You're evil. So, I want you to be stopped. >> Have mercy. There's got to be there's got to be somebody that steps up and says, "I'm not going to to bow down." I ask the Lord today because there is this person, it's not anybody that has ever attended our church ever. **[111:32]** I asked the Lord today. I said, "Lord, would you please remove this person out of my side? They don't even know me. They're making judgments from afar. Spiritual vampires are a real thing. >> [laughter] >> Sorry guys, it's so obnoxious. It's so over the top that once you realize what he's doing, but he'll never use my name and he'll try to keep it vague. And the **[112:03]** people who are under that spell, they're under his spell. They don't see it. So hopefully this helps them see it. I've given you examples of his lies cuz he's [clears throat] done this to your friends. He's done this to your family. He's done this to that guy who left the church and that you thought was evil and he was actually he was actually the guy being wounded by by Chris, you know. Um, so yeah. >> So today I asked the Lord, I said, "Lord, this is nobody that's ever went to FOTB or Morning Star or anything like that, any ministries I've led or or >> just hours after we talked, couple **[112:33]** hours, 3 hours after we finished our call, >> the Ark in in Indiana, any of the the the churches that I've pastored, I I asked the Lord, please remove this person out of my sight." You know what he said to me? I've heard I'd heard this before, but I hadn't heard of him. He immediately spoke back into my spirit. He said, "Okay, who do you want me to replace him with?" I thought of the words of Paul when he said, "I sought the Lord three times **[113:04]** that he would remove this messenger from Satan." It's a person, a messenger sent from Satan. >> He calls me the accuser. [laughter] So um [snorts] it's the pyotistic humble brag of like oh it was like Paul I said Lord please remove him and the Lord said you know my grace is sufficient kind of thing. He's he's paralleling himself with Paul the Apostle. I'm trying to follow what Paul wrote. I'm certainly not parallel with **[113:35]** him in any way. Uh but anyway that's that's Chris Reed. Chris Reed, he's just like the Apostle Paul and I'm like a messenger of Satan. >> Sent to buffet me just just a constant attack, criticism, attack, attack. And he said, "My grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in your weakness." Complete lie. God never said that. You're a liar. You're lying in the name of God. You're blaspheing his name. The curses you've asked God to bring down upon you will eventually come down upon **[114:05]** you in God's timing because you don't control him. Um, or you could repent. And I hope you do, Chris. I hope you I hope you repent. Your track record says you won't. Um, but that doesn't mean you can't. You can repent. But repentance, you'll repent like it's a negotiation unless you have a truly broken heart. And that's what you need. I'm telling you right now, listen here. You better hear me now. Listen to me carefully and you'll know I have stirred up a religious devil today. **[114:38]** that I don't think I have ever seen a more of religious devil. I mean, we're advancing to the end, folks. >> He's really puffing me up here, man. [laughter] I am the most devily religious devil to ever exist. I am a messenger of Satan. He stirred me up today. Um, and um, I'm just thinking, no, this is worth talking about because there's a a strong connection to Bethl and Morning Star and Mike Bickl and all of this **[115:09]** overall coverup culture stuff. And here's a case where I have numerous witnesses who've come forward to me. And to be honest, the trigger thing for me making this video was when I saw some of Chris's own people who I won't put on screen, but who went on Facebook and went public saying, "We love Chris, but he's guys, he's really dark. It's really bad. He needs to be pulled out of ministry." and they try to do the right thing and then Chris started attacking them and threatening them and then I thought, well, I'll put myself in the bullseye instead of them. How's that sound? And so here's cuz he can't touch me anyways, **[115:40]** right? I'm not local. It doesn't affect my life for Chris to say whatever he wants about me. I'm not I'm not messing around. I stirred up a religious devil today. I have never seen demonic rage from an individual over something over just something that wasn't even like valid. I challenge Chris Reed to release the recording. Release the recording, Chris. You've got **[116:11]** it. Show them my demonic rage, Chris. Show them my demonic rage. play the full clip at least the end of our our discussion where I got in your face and I said you're done and I said you're a blight upon the name of Christ which you are show them the recording the prophetic is always being chased by the Jezebel spirit about this time tomorrow you are going to be dead Elijah like the other prophets **[116:44]** you you'll you'll probably know about it. You'll probably hear about it >> cuz I told him [laughter] I announced to everybody I was making a video on Chris Reeds. It's been known for like two weeks or something. >> Maybe you won't, maybe you will. I've got a good feeling you will. Uh they can't stand it. I've stirred up a religious devil. >> Okay, that was the response. The leech has two daughters and oh man, there's other stuff about Chris Reed. Before I get into that pastor's testimony, very important, Alan Hawkins, **[117:15]** I'm going to share what he I'm just going to play it for you. I might pause it once or twice, maybe. I'll just probably play it straight through. It's like 20 minutes. He's going to share the whole story, and you will hear one story of the kind of terror and harm and damage, long-term human damage that's caused when we allow guys like Chris Reed to run rampant in the body of Christ. When Bill Johnson, when Chris Valatin, when Danny Silk, when Dan Fairley hear about guys like this and they don't put a stop to it, it's happened many times. And by the way, 5 minutes after their apology about Shambles, they could have come out and **[117:45]** said, "Hey guys, Chris Reed shouldn't be trusted. We know that he fakes prophecy. They already had the evidence. They already had the confrontation in the past. They already knew about it. They could have done it in a second. And maybe they'll do it in response to this video and I'm going to say, Bethl, it's too late. If you give me a month and I make a whole another video and then you decide to talk about that one, it's too late. Tell us what you know." That was my standard of genuine repentance in my original Bethl video. Tell us what you know that we don't even know about. When there are people who are fraudulent, who are abusive, who are in power, who **[118:16]** shouldn't be biblically, you should take action now to remove them or at least warn about them. Doesn't matter if they're on your staff or not, but you know about them and you have global impact. And instead, Bill Johnson writes the forward to his book. So, there's other stuff about Chris. Uh he talks about how John the apostle never died. And then he said something to me interesting. The angel said he has been hidden in the caves of **[118:47]** Turkey and will appear on the scene right before the coming of the Lord to help the church and the world to understand the book of Revelation that he wrote. I then [clears throat] woke up This is Chris Reed saying John the Apostle still alive and angel showed him this dude. No. Uh based on what Jesus actually said to James and John that they would drink the cup of suffering. There's biblical biblical case that that they died um along with other evidence **[119:19]** throughout church history uh as well. So no, he's not hiding. This is a fake this is a fake [clears throat] thing. This is a fake thing. He's also got manifest sons of God theology >> cuz this won't be the last attack or storm. The reason I grabbed this clip, this is again the the the pro I prophesied this video, right? There's this blue shirt, the one he cried in. Um, [clears throat] this is that same video. And here he talks about the manifest sons of God doctrine, which is which is unbiblical, which is a false theology that is very **[119:50]** much part of this movement. Even though a lot of times they don't like talking about it, Chris doesn't mind acknowledging it >> that we ever face. No, they're only going to become more intense birth pangs. as we become closer and closer to see the revealing of the manifestation of the sons and daughters of God in full transfiguration. There was even a weird moment in that video where Chris implies that I and others like me gave Chris pneumonia **[120:21]** through word curses. I can tell you what caused my sickness. It was word curses spoken against me without the proper intercession that I should have been asking for. Yes, there's power of life and death in the tongue. >> Word curses. So many people are commenting on events that they're not **[120:51]** even involved in, have no I mean they're not they're not even a third party or a fourth party. They just are tabloid Christianity because they they're not they don't have the gift or the talent to be on TV. So >> I actually forgot that that was part of this clip. They go on social media and you can build a big following if all you do is **[121:22]** attack other people. Why? Because that appeals to the base fallen nature of sinful carnal man. >> Right? I mean, anybody who follows me knows that most of the following, the majority of the following I have is has nothing to do with these kinds of videos. It's time for me to show you Pastor Alan Hawkins testimony. This pastor, it's very sad the things he has to share. Very important. Um, I'm just **[121:54]** going to let him share probably all the way through. It's 23 minutes this video and it's worth listening to all of it, especially the very end. And then I want to come back and I have a few little more things to share at the end that I think are very important because this video relates again to coverup culture in general. One of the things I want to point out that Allan did is Allan went to leaders years ago trying to get Chris Reid pulled down and it didn't work because nobody would help him because cover up culture is systemic in the movement. I'm sorry to say I met Chris Reed in the summer of uh 2020 at a conference in Oklahoma City **[122:29]** and it blew me away. I had never seen anything like it. I was phasing out of my pastoral ministry. I was 66 years old. Uh I had had a couple of major staff transitions in my church. We were in the middle of COVID and I was sitting with a a a church that had been a wonderful church and is a wonderful church to this day, but needed a rebuilding of the staff and needed rebuilding uh of the **[122:59]** congregation. And I was burned out and I was frankly depressed. I was I was not in good mental health and uh so I began I just I began telling people that I was going to find my way out and um met Chris Reed and he began a process of communicating with me. All I can tell you is he was very very eager to leave Indiana. **[123:32]** Very eager to leave Indiana. and and uh we brought him to my church to consider him as a successor, which was not wise and was evidence of how burned out I was. Uh because he was from a different stream. He was more Pentecostal. We were um we're probably classically third wave um charismatic and um **[124:04]** uh he came to my church, stayed in my home. Uh I did do two things to hedge myself. One was uh I set up a series of meetings where he would be exposed to all of my leaders and I my leaders knew that we were we were vetting him as a possible successor. Uh and one of my dear friends in ministry that I've ministered with for 25 years, I brought him or [snorts] 20 years really more like and um I brought **[124:34]** him uh and I just said I just need different eyes on this. I don't trust myself. if I'm not healthy, I I just don't trust myself. Um, he came and ministered uh four four sessions and and did he did the the thing that you see him do. Um, he did it with vigor. And again, I was I bought it hook, line, and sinker. I I just bought it. **[125:09]** And uh I I will be honest with you, this is an extremely emotional story for me. Um I can remember one night my wife and I were driving home and uh again, nobody knew knew how unhealthy I was more than my wife. And I I I started weeping on the way home. **[125:40]** And I said, I said, 'Honey, I've never seen anything like this. I said, 'If this is the Lord, I might have spent my whole life not knowing the Lord, cuz I just can't believe he does this. I I I just he never done anything like that with me. And at the moment I was both uh sad and at the same time like this could be amazing. By the end of the weekend I **[126:11]** realized uh two things. One he was a different culture than we were and and uh and two he he had different theologies than we did. Uh even though if I'm honest with you, it was very clear by the end of the weekend that he had studied my theology and attempted to make many points of contact with my theology over the weekend. It was it was it was kind of a tip off. It was didn't feel good. Anyway, I was clear that this is not our guy. On the last **[126:43]** night that he ministered, there was a guy in my church who's just kind of a good old boy. Uh that's not really a great description, but he's a downto-earth guy. He's not easily impressed with anything. And he got a word and his wife was just weeping and he was just unmoved. And I and I said to him, "What was that? What what what you know, tell me about that word you got?" And I was in my car talking to him on speaker phone, wife in the car, and he said, well, he said **[127:15]** everything that he said was basically was based on things that we had spoken about in a conversation. He said, none of that was was unique. And and that set me off. He said, but then there was one one other thing that happened. He said, a man walked up to me that I've never seen in our church. And he said, what did what did I think about it? And he said, I I said it was okay. It was nothing special, but it was okay. And the guy said, "Well, I'm a magician and I can do what that man did without **[127:47]** making the mistakes he made." And that first of all, THAT WAS LIKE, WHOA, CUZ YOU remember watching me has a kind of a pen and teller effect on how he does this. Do we know each other? I ever seen you? Da da da da da. He does the thing. His words made me think about it. the mistakes he made. And there had been two very glaring mistakes that he had made. And when I thought about them, **[128:18]** I knew exactly how they happened. Well, now I'm kind of feeling, you know, in my my stomach a thing. Well, there's this one other thing that I did was and that that is a I have a very astute man. I had a very astute man in my church and and he and I were um conversing in the backyard in front of the fire pit before the meeting and I told him I was really worried. I said, "I've made some bad decisions in the last couple years and I don't trust myself anymore." He said, "Do you want **[128:50]** me to do you want me to vet this guy for you?" And I said, "Can you do that?" He said, 'Yeah, I and he told me what he does for a living, which I won't reveal here, but he told me he could vet him. And I said, 'Well, yeah, I'd like some extra eyes on this. And uh so he came to every meeting and came to every fellowship and hung out with us. And uh as as it turned out, he was the first one that got a prof got **[129:22]** a a word on the first service and the man named his address, named his kids' birthdays, named you know all these things and did it with, you know, does such, you know, July the 3rd mean anything to you? Does May the 1st mean, you know, all those things? And I was like, "Oh my goodness, the guy that I had, he he gets him first and he gets all these things right." So the next guy I called was I called this guy and I said I said, "What'd you think?" And he says, **[129:54]** "I think you need to ask him a question." I said, "Okay." He said, "I think you need to ask him how much of what he said came from natural means and how much of it came from supernatural means." I think you just ask him. I was like, "What? What do you mean? And then he told me that as soon as uh I asked him to do it, he signed up on social media as coming to the event. And he said I was the first one to sign **[130:25]** up. And I said, he said, I really don't think it's from it was God. And I said, how sure are you? He said, 100%. Well, I was dumbfounded. We quit talking. The next day I called him up. I said, ' 100%. He said 100%. I said, "How can that be? How can you be 100% sure?" He said, "Give me 5 days and I'll send you something." I said, "Okay." and he went and took the **[130:55]** ministry session off the the service and he went person by person and showed me where the data was taken from every one of them by showing it online after the words were given. including the mistake of naming another woman's name as his wife who had the same last name. **[131:26]** [laughter] And well then I was just imploding inside. And so then what happened was um over the next week it just unraveled this and and many many eyes saw it and and many people caught it. I mean, people could tell you where they were when he got this information that he was gleaning information at the meals times and all the things. And so, man, so I went from being a guy who was **[131:57]** um already depressed to a guy that was like gutted, gutted. I called him up and I and I just said, "Chris, you you're not our guy." I and he and we talked a minute. I just said, "It's just not a match. You're not a match for our church. You're not the guy." And he said, "There's something else, isn't there?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "What is it?" I said, "I can't talk about it now." And to be honest **[132:28]** with you, I literally didn't have the bandwidth to go there because I couldn't prove it absolutely. And I'd never had it happen. And I just first of all, I couldn't believe it had happened. And then second of all, I couldn't believe I had done that to my church. That the last thing I'm going to do after after uh 20 plus years of founding that church, the last thing I'm going to do is get them scammed. I was I turned it on myself. **[132:58]** I completely turned it on myself. And uh I functioned that way for the next seven months. And um during that seven months, I found a a fantastic successor who is now still the pastor of the church, a ma marvelous man, guy named Paul Martini. Um and and he's rebuilt the staff, rebuilt the church. It's fantastic. It's wonderful. Uh but when I installed him, I told him, **[133:29]** I said, "When we install you as pastor, I'm leaving town. I'm I'm going away." When I left town, I confronted Chris He was angry that I had waited seven months to confront him and u you know I was embarrassed that I'd waited 7 months but to be honest with you I just didn't have the strength. So from then till now uh I had been through a very very long process of trying to get somebody to listen to me who had some chops and he **[134:03]** went straight from us and ended up at Morning Star and went to IHOP. And I did finally have a successful connection with the guys at Remnant Radio and they they they fought for me over these years. they they uh advocated for me, but [laughter] this is hilarious. Uh at the time they were like, "We'll get Mike Bickl to handle this." And when they told me that, even before the Bickl episode was revealed, I was like, "Mike **[134:35]** Bickl is where all all scandals go to die." I knew that then. This is not going anywhere. And now I sound a little um look, I'm a I'm a I'm a long veteran of church and I am kind of disgusted with all that I've seen in the charismatic world in the last 20 years. And and I think if we don't get some reformation, there's no reason that the public should listen to us. **[135:07]** Uh my story with Chris is much more detailed than I told you and involves many more steps uh including the fact that I reached out to him last week and said you and I have a conversation that is not finished. Um but um I I will tell you this much in uh in 2023 and everybody who knows me knows this story in in 2023, **[135:38]** November the 18th, uh my son died tragically. Uh the next day I found him and uh the Bickle thing was exploding at that time and it was right about that time that that Chris Reed had sort of manned the door for um Bickl when Sam Storms and and and um **[136:08]** Francis Chan were coming over to see him and uh I was like, "Please Lord, how's that happen?" But I was reeling from what I was going through. One month later to the day, I get a call on my phone from Chris from June of 2000 **[136:40]** when I confronted him and he started a process of denying it. until December of 2023. He was he was in denial about it. By by December 2023, the guys at Remnant Radio had enough evidence that he was clearly guilty and he called me. I was sitting right over here on my couch **[137:12]** and I was pretty broken. And he called me and I I and he apologized to me. He apologized to me and I and I need you to hear this. I said, "I can forgive you. I forgive you. But we have to have a further discussion about this. This is not done. But I'm in no shape to have that discussion with you tonight. I cannot do it." And he actually didn't confess exactly **[137:44]** what he had done. He just apologized. And he apologized with um honestly the kind of tears that people can produce when they're backed in a corner. And um and I just said, "My son has died and you Okay, so you did some bad things. I'm I'm I'm dealing with the way I feel about why my son died. **[138:16]** I'm dealing with my own sense of personal responsibility about losing my son. I don't have any time for bashing you around. But this is not finished. We have to finish this. >> [sighs] >> I being the guy I am, you don't know me, but I got off the phone and I said, "Why did that guy call me?" I got off the phone and I realized that the Bickl drama had come to a head **[138:49]** and that and that uh Chris Reed was about to be swept into the vortex of [clears throat] um of Bickl's own guilt. And I found a video that had just been released that day or the day before uh which was uh kind of the first of Chris's many many uh belleaguered, tearful, broken, disheveled uh apologies online. And I and I **[139:21]** literally I'll be honest with you and tell you what I thought. I'm like that guy's trying to he's trying to clean up his trail. He's about to be his walls are about to fall in. So I I took the apology in that context and you know that's that's how that goes. Uh but I'm but I'm pursuing a a a conversation with him where I want him to tell me what he did that he apologized for. **[139:54]** Um, I I think his story now is that he was entrapped. I pled with him. I said I said, "Chris, this doesn't have to end in a major catastrophe. You said you need a father in your life. I can come alongside you. We can clean this up and you can just stop." And I I walked with him for a while trying to befriend him. Um, **[140:26]** I know his wife. I don't want to hurt Missy. I don't want to, you know. And and then one night, I couldn't stand it any longer. And I sent him a text and said, "I need you to tell me directly whether you did this or not." Called me and he ranged me for an hour. It was unbelievable. After an hour, I said to him, "I've listened to you for an hour and there's two things you **[140:56]** haven't done in this conversation." I said, "Number one, you still haven't denied it that you did it. You've just you've just tried to talk me into a corner." And I and I said, "Number two, you haven't asked me a single word about how I know." Well, that flew him into a rage and he heranged me for another hour [laughter] and and and **[141:26]** you're not going to believe this. Well, you will believe it maybe. He said, "Uh, well, I I uh I do deny it. I didn't do it." And then I'll never forget. He said this these words. if I'm lying, may God strike my wife and children dead. And I said to him, "Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. And listen to me. You have **[141:56]** moments to repent, to recant those words, and to take them back. That is the most evil thing I've ever heard. If you think that makes me believe you, that makes me certain that you're [clears throat] guilty." and you need to repent. He actually did repent of that um right there on the spot and and then he went on for a third hour heranging me and and and tr and trying to back me **[142:27]** into a corner. Well, I've been a pastor a long time and and honestly, I was trying to get an outcome. I wanted to get an outcome. I at that time he was not as publicly evil as he is now. That dude, that dude is Listen, that dude is is vile. You know, I did forgive him, but I want him to face the consequences of what he's done. I don't need any kind of vengeance, but **[142:58]** I need him to stop. And and by stop, I mean that dude should be out of the ministry. I turned over the video evidence that I have to the guys at Remnant. Ben Fitzgerald also caught him. Anyway, that guy's a snake. Spent my whole life loving the church. But I will tell you what, that man broke me. **[143:28]** He broke me and Even just recently, I'm like, why did it take you seven months? It was because I was so ashamed. I was so ashamed that I had loved my church so well for all those years. And then I brought a devil in. **[143:58]** We We don't realize how evil this stuff is. One of my best friends received a word from him. **[144:34]** The cancer was trying to strongarm his life. God was going to break the spirit of cancer off of him. Man wasn't sick. He wasn't sick at all. A year later, he got cancer. **[145:04]** All he could do was talk about the prophecy he got from from Chris Reed. B and he wanted to base his treatment based on it. I watched him waste away and die, holding on to that prophetic word. **[145:40]** These people, These people kill people. It's not okay. I try to not be as heavy as possible when I do videos like this and have things that are like, I don't know, just make it a little easier to deal with and and kind of digest, but this should be as heavy as possible at this moment. These people kill people. Chris Reed. **[146:12]** Your deception, I believe, cost a man his life. You are evil. You are wicked. You are a blight upon the name of Christ, as I told you in our private conversation. And if your church and your people have any integrity, any love for Jesus, you will never preach again. You will never preach again. And Rick Joiner and Bill Johnson, **[146:42]** they all have some measure of responsibility in this, too. Because if Bill had come out in 2020, if he had come out supporting Ben when Chris threatened to sue Ben Fitzgerald, who still won't talk to me for who knows what he's whatever he's got going on. Um, if Chris when he threatened Ben Fitzgerald. If that was met by Bethl leadership doing what I would do, which is he did what to you? We're all coming against him now then because now he not only did this fake prophecy thing, but he's trying to cover it up with threats and lawsuits. **[147:13]** Let's let's let's marshall let's marshall the troops. Okay, we need to warn the church about this wicked man. If they had done that, this pastor would not be giving this testimony right here today. It wouldn't happen. And when he did reach out to different people, different leaders, and nobody did anything. And he knew Mike Bickle [clears throat] wouldn't do anything. He knew lots of people knew. It wasn't completely like out of nowhere that Mike Bickl was whack like unfortunately Sam Storms has suggested. There was evidence. There was people that knew things and it was just coverup **[147:44]** culture that kept it down. So how do we change it? Well, like I said earlier, I have no authority. I have no ability to change any of these things. But you absolutely do. You meaning you in Morning Star, you in Bethl, you in Jesus image. I still haven't talked a lot about that, but you guys can change these things. You can, you absolutely can. Whether it's you vote with your feet or if you insist on accountability where leaders are like, I will I will suffer your wrath. You can call me the Jezebel **[148:15]** spirit all you want. I'm going to stand up and do the right thing. That can change everything. That can change everything. >> [music] >> Now I want to close this with this one thought with this one thought. Today Chris Reed gave a message at his church and today he talked about the following. Now I want to preface this with the fact that in my video I showed like weeks ago I showed that in a very recent sermon Chris faked Russian. He's fake speaking **[148:46]** in Russian and then he uh told people the interpretation uh use basically there's a fake moment of of Russian tongues and the interpretation was you know move from where you are and come to my church. This is him today because I want you to know the grift is not over with this guy unless unless his church makes it over it won't be over. And um I'm so thankful that you're here today friends of the breakroom church and we are moving forward in Jesus name >> 100%. We have people, believe it or not, from different places that are put their house up for sale and are moving here because they want to be a part of what **[149:16]** God is doing. >> And so over the next two or three months, we will get to see that happen. This is what's going on at the Friends of the Bridegroom Church. People are on their way. This is what's going on. Rick Joiner behind the scenes going, I don't know, maybe it'll be time to bring Chris back in at some point cuz I like to restore people and see what they'll do. But I think the bottom line is just that uh this is an example of cover-up culture. This is an example of the results of coverup culture. And Chris Reid, I hope that the word I gave to you ends up being prophetic and that you are done. And that certainly is what justice **[149:48]** would demand. And if anybody has a legal case against you, I hope they push it. Um, I really do. If there are any leaders in the charismatic movement that are like the high up leaders that they've been there for years and years and years and years who have the dirt and know the stuff and you know who the predators are and who the liars are and who the fraudulent ministers are. I just pray that one of you, even one of you will just come out, put your neck on the line and tell us everything. Call them out. You know, I have to do all this research. You already know off the top of your head the whole laundry list. And **[150:19]** I'm asking you to come out. one of you at least come out for the name of Christ.