The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak

The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak 🔗 **Source:** [The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH05S53QlY0) > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [religious-abuse, charismatic-church, spiritual-manipulation] > author: Mike Winger > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH05S53QlY0 > date created: 2025-01-13 09:30 > > # 🏷️ Title: The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak >  ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Expose coverup culture in charismatic church — protect victims from false prophets #accountability - [H2] Reform revival culture practices — stop creating predators through unchecked endorsements #church-reform - [H3] Implement biblical discernment standards — follow 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for public rebuke #biblical-standards ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### 🔗 References - [1 Timothy 5:19-20](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%205%3A19-20&version=ESV) - [Bethel Church](https://www.bethel.com/) - [Shawn Bolz Ministry](https://bolzministries.com/) ## 📝 Summary - Mike Winger exposes Shawn Bolz as a fraudulent prophet who used Facebook data mining to fake prophetic words - Bethel Church leadership, particularly Bill Johnson, privately knew about Bolz's deceptions but continued public endorsements - Victims like Jubilee Dawn suffered severe abuse including domestic violence due to false prophecies about marriage - A network of charismatic leaders engaged in coverup culture rather than protecting congregants - Evidence includes secret recordings, text messages, and multiple victim testimonies spanning years ## 📖 Main Content This investigation reveals systemic problems within charismatic church leadership regarding accountability and victim protection. Shawn Bolz built a ministry around detailed "prophetic words" that included personal information like birthdays, addresses, and family names. Evidence suggests he obtained this information through social media data mining rather than divine revelation. The most damaging aspect involves church leaders who privately distanced themselves from Bolz while maintaining public silence. Bethel Church leadership, including Bill Johnson and Chris Vallotton, allegedly knew about problems as early as 2016 but continued endorsing Bolz publicly through 2023. This created a dangerous situation where victims continued suffering while leaders protected their reputations. Multiple victims report life-altering consequences from false prophecies, including marriages that resulted in domestic violence. The case highlights broader issues of "revival culture" that prioritizes supernatural experiences over biblical discernment and pastoral protection. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=0) — [H1] Introduction to Shawn Bolz Investigation - Key idea: Shawn Bolz was the "white rabbit" leading to extensive coverup culture in charismatic churches - Evidence: "This guy was my white rabbit...to see how bad things are in coverup culture inside the charismatic church" #### ⏱️ [02:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=165) — [H2] Biblical Mandate for Public Rebuke - Key idea: 1 Timothy 5:19-20 requires public rebuke of persistent sin among leaders - Evidence: "Rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear" #### ⏱️ [05:23](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=323) — [H2] Shawn Bolz's Prophetic Method - Key idea: Bolz would call out specific personal details to convince people of his prophetic gift - Evidence: "He can tell you your birthday, your street address, how many kids you have, the name of your pet" #### ⏱️ [08:15](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=495) — [H1] Bill Johnson's Endorsement at ISUUSA - Key idea: Bill Johnson's 2016 platform gave Bolz credibility that enabled widespread deception - Evidence: "One of our dearest friends, one of our most trusted friends is Shawn Bolz" #### ⏱️ [12:30](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=750) — [H2] Chris Vallotton's Private Warnings - Key idea: Bethel leadership privately banned Bolz while maintaining public silence - Evidence: "I've also told our entire team that they are not to minister with Shawn or have him in any of their ministries" #### ⏱️ [18:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1125) — [H1] Jubilee Dawn's Testimony - Key idea: False prophecy led to abusive marriage and near-death strangulation - Evidence: "He strangled me for the last time in January 2020 and I wasn't able to swallow without pain for 10 days" #### ⏱️ [25:12](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1512) — [H2] Secret Recording with Stacy Campbell - Key idea: Leaders privately acknowledged Bolz was "totally dangerous" but wouldn't warn publicly - Evidence: "Shawn Bolz is archery and totally dangerous...he's been caught red-handed" #### ⏱️ [32:18](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1938) — [H2] Historical Pattern of Abuse - Key idea: Bolz learned methods from previous false prophets like Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and Mike Bickle - Evidence: "All of them used prophecy to sexually manipulate and take advantage of people" #### ⏱️ [38:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=2325) — [H1] The 2013 Facebook Upgrade - Key idea: Bolz's prophetic accuracy dramatically improved when Facebook expanded data availability - Evidence: "In 2013, I received one of these upgrades...I started to get birth dates and anniversary dates" #### ⏱️ [45:30](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=2730) — [H2] Prophetic Demonstrations on Children - Key idea: Bolz manipulated children with fake prophecies, using them as props - Evidence: Shows video clips of Bolz calling out young children by name and personal details #### ⏱️ [52:15](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=3135) — [H2] Teresa Deadman's Endorsement - Key idea: Multiple Bethel leaders endorsed Bolz as one of the most prophetic people on earth - Evidence: "One of the most prophetic creative people I know on the planet" #### ⏱️ [58:42](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=3522) — [H2] Sid Roth's Platform and Deletion - Key idea: Sid Roth endorsed Bolz as the most detailed prophet ever, then deleted content - Evidence: "The most amazingly detailed prophet he has ever known" ## 📚 References - [Bethel Church Official Website](https://www.bethel.com/) - [1 Timothy 5:19-20 ESV](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%205%3A19-20&version=ESV) - [Mike Winger YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/@MikeWinger) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - A charismatic church investigator exposes how Shawn Bolz used social media data to fake prophetic words while major church leaders covered up his deceptions - Multiple victims suffered severe consequences including domestic violence from following false prophecies about marriage and life direction - Church leaders prioritized protecting their reputations over warning and protecting their congregations from a known fraudulent prophet ## 📰 Newsletter **Protecting Your Community from Spiritual Manipulation** Church leaders face difficult decisions when confronting spiritual abuse within their networks. This investigation into charismatic church coverup culture offers important lessons for all faith communities about accountability and victim protection. The case reveals how trusted endorsements can enable harmful actors to access vulnerable people. When leaders discover problems, biblical standards require public accountability rather than private distancing. Transparent communication protects communities better than reputation management. **Key Takeaways:** - Implement verification processes for visiting speakers - Prioritize victim safety over institutional reputation - Follow biblical guidelines for public accountability - Train congregations in healthy discernment practices **Resources:** [Church Law & Tax](https://www.churchlawandtax.com/), [GRACE](https://www.netgrace.org/), [Spiritual Abuse Recovery](https://www.spiritualabuse.org/) ## ✅ Action Items #### Community - Maintainers: Develop speaker vetting policies, create victim support protocols - Contributors: Share experiences of spiritual manipulation, provide accountability feedback - Sponsors: Fund independent investigations, support victim recovery services - Ecosystem: Cross-reference speaker endorsements, coordinate warning systems #### WordPress - Community: Create safeguarding guidelines for WordCamp speakers - Support: Develop resources for community abuse reporting - Documentation: Document accountability processes and transparency standards ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Social media data mining enables sophisticated religious fraud that mimics supernatural revelation - Revival culture prioritizing supernatural experiences over discernment creates vulnerability to manipulation - Private knowledge of abuse combined with public silence enables continued victimization - Interconnected endorsement networks amplify fraudulent spiritual authority across multiple platforms ### 📊 Methodology - Analyze patterns in prophetic accuracy correlated with social media data availability - Interview multiple victims to establish consistent patterns of manipulation - Compare private communications with public statements from church leaders - Document financial and promotional connections between fraudulent prophets and endorsing leaders ### ❓ Questions - How can religious communities balance supernatural beliefs with practical verification methods? - What legal and ethical obligations do church leaders have when they privately know about spiritual abuse? - How can victims of spiritual manipulation find healing and restoration after false prophetic guidance? ### 🔮 Future Research - Systematic analysis of prophetic accuracy claims across charismatic movements - Development of trauma-informed pastoral care for spiritual abuse survivors - Investigation of financial networks supporting fraudulent prophetic ministries ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Churches need formal processes for speaker verification and abuse reporting - Policy: Religious freedom protections may need balance with consumer fraud prevention - Security: Social media data mining presents ongoing risks for privacy and manipulation - Education: Seminary training should include identifying and addressing spiritual abuse - Funding: Donor transparency becomes crucial when ministries have accountability issues ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th Grade (Flesch-Kincaid) #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Screenshots of text messages, video clips of prophetic demonstrations - Improve: Timeline graphics, organizational charts showing connections between leaders #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Audio testimony from victims, recorded conversations with leaders - Improve: Podcast summary, expert commentary on spiritual abuse dynamics #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Detailed explanations of prophetic methods, biblical terminology definitions - Improve: Case study comparisons, analogies to other institutional abuse scenarios #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Step-by-step breakdown of data mining process, interactive timeline - Improve: Checklist for identifying spiritual manipulation, hands-on discernment exercises #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Evidence correlation charts, cause-and-effect relationships between endorsements and harm - Improve: Statistical analysis of prophetic claims, decision trees for church accountability #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Victim testimony, community discussion prompts - Improve: Support group resources, peer accountability frameworks #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual reflection questions, personal discernment guides - Improve: Self-assessment tools for spiritual manipulation, private journaling prompts #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Pattern recognition in spiritual abuse cycles - Improve: Ecosystem metaphors for healthy vs toxic church environments ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear headings structure, descriptive video transcripts - Improve: Alt text for screenshots, ARIA labels for complex audio/video content #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Standard video player controls, text-based content - Improve: Skip links for long testimony sections, keyboard shortcuts for navigation #### Contrast and readability - Present: High contrast text, readable font sizes - Improve: Ensure 4.5:1 contrast ratio maintained throughout, optimize for low vision users #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design for various screen sizes - Improve: Test at 200% zoom, prevent horizontal scrolling #### Media and captions - Present: Full video transcript provided - Improve: Synchronized captions with speaker identification, audio descriptions for visual elements #### Forms and interactions - Present: Simple text-based content consumption - Improve: Accessible feedback forms for additional testimony, clear error handling ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Focus on American charismatic movement - Improve: International perspectives on spiritual abuse, cross-cultural accountability models #### Inclusive language - Present: Respectful treatment of victims, clear explanations of religious terminology - Improve: Gender-neutral language where possible, plain language summaries #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear structure with timestamps, detailed explanations - Improve: Content warnings for trauma material, consistent formatting patterns #### Representation - Present: Multiple victim voices, diverse experiences within religious context - Improve: Include perspectives from various cultural backgrounds within Christianity #### Psychological safety - Present: Sensitive handling of abuse testimony, focus on victim protection - Improve: Trigger warnings for domestic violence content, resources for trauma recovery ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Biblical standards applied to church leadership behavior (strong) - Inductive strength: Multiple victim testimonies establishing pattern (strong) - Causal reasoning: Direct connection between endorsements and victim harm (strong) - Analogical strength: Comparison to previous prophetic scandals (moderate) #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Occasional personal attacks on character rather than focusing purely on actions - Guilt by association: Some connections between leaders may be overstated without direct evidence #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Investigative and confrontational, appropriate righteous anger for victim advocacy ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: Leaders deny knowledge or responsibility for Bolz's actions despite private communications - Attack: Anticipated attacks on messenger's motives and credibility - Reverse victim/offender: Leaders may portray themselves as victims of unfair criticism - Emotional cues: Uses victim testimony to maintain focus on actual harm rather than institutional concerns ## 🎯 Conclusion This investigation exposes systemic failures in charismatic church accountability that enabled widespread spiritual abuse. The evidence demonstrates how trusted religious leaders privately knew about fraudulent prophetic ministry while maintaining public endorsements, directly contributing to victim harm. The case demands immediate reform in how religious communities handle allegations of spiritual manipulation. Biblical standards require public accountability for persistent sin among leaders, not private damage control. Churches must prioritize victim protection over institutional reputation to restore credibility and prevent future abuse. Moving forward, religious communities need formal verification processes, transparent communication about leadership concerns, and trauma-informed care for spiritual abuse survivors. Only through genuine accountability can the charismatic movement rebuild trust and fulfill its mission of serving believers rather than exploiting them. ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] Charismatic leaders enable spiritual abuse through coverup culture > --- ## Full Transcript [00:10] This video is not for everybody, but [00:12] it's very important, I think, especially [00:13] for the charismatic church and for [00:15] Christians in churches to deal with [00:17] abuse, fraud, cover up, and the [00:20] devastating breath of it all. Sean BS, [00:24] this guy right here, he was my white [00:26] rabbit. Okay, this guy was my white [00:29] rabbit. He's the rabbit I chased down [00:30] the rabbit hole to see how bad things [00:32] are in coverup culture inside the [00:34] charismatic church. The connections to [00:36] all these different figures and years of [00:40] stuff, generations of abusers, fraud and [00:42] coverup in the charismatic church, Sean [00:45] BS. So, you're going to go down the same [00:48] rabbit hole I went down. This started [00:50] early last year and I've spent the last [00:52] year dealing with and talking to victims [00:55] and people who have been hurt and [00:56] gathering evidence. I've talked to many [00:58] of the people that Shawn victimized and [01:00] spiritually abused. I'm going to be [01:02] sharing their stories. I have evidence [01:04] that has never been seen by anybody [01:05] before. I've uh gathered that evidence [01:07] and I'm going to be sharing it along [01:08] with witness testimony from multiple [01:10] people. [01:11] His victims asked me to speak out on [01:14] their behalf because the leaders in the [01:16] charismatic church would not and they [01:18] participated in my opinion in coverup [01:20] culture. But that can change. I'm doing [01:22] this for the charismatic church. I love [01:24] you guys. I believe in the gifts. I'll [01:26] tell you more about that in a second. [01:27] But buckle up because we're going to go [01:29] deep into the rabbit hole and you need [01:31] to hear the details because what happens [01:33] is when someone like Sean is exposed, [01:35] everybody just washes their hands of it [01:36] and acts like they had no part in it. [01:38] And that's not true. And if we don't [01:40] show the connections, then we can't fix [01:42] the problems. So, I've gathered the [01:44] evidence that shows how coverup culture [01:46] handled it in the in the charismatic [01:48] church. Uh not only Shambles, but many, [01:50] many other situations. And the elites [01:53] all knew about it. They knew about [01:54] Shambles. The elites did. And they did [01:56] nothing as far as warning their people. [01:59] They left their people in the dark. [02:00] People who had been prophesied to, [02:01] people who had been abused, they just [02:03] left them alone or in the dark. This is [02:05] going to be a long video. There will be [02:07] timestamps down below to try to help you [02:09] navigate things because it will just get [02:11] crazier and crazier. I will continue to [02:12] unpack different scenarios, another [02:14] witness, a different situation, tying it [02:16] into another leader. This is just the [02:18] way it's going to be. I hate this video. [02:20] I hope you hate it, too. This is all [02:22] lame and terrible, and this is not my [02:23] normal ministry stuff. I don't plan on [02:25] continuing doing this forever. I just [02:27] want to help the situation and then move [02:29] on to back to Bible studies. That's my [02:31] plan. So this is the story of lying in [02:34] the name of God, of abusing the people [02:36] of God, of doineering, [02:39] sexual harassment from Shambles, uh, and [02:42] not only the failure of respected [02:44] leaders to warn and protect their own [02:46] people, their followers from Shambols [02:48] while they had previously propped him up [02:50] as a prophet to them, but the fact that [02:52] their system of leadership inside, not [02:54] the entire, not every charismatic, most [02:57] of them would would would be appalled by [02:59] the things I'm about to share with you, [03:00] but there is a system amongst the elites [03:02] that is dangerous and their system of [03:04] leadership. It it in a culture of [03:05] coverup. It not only makes it so that [03:08] they can't deal with someone like Shawn [03:09] Bols, a predator in their midst, but it [03:11] actually creates them in the first [03:12] place. It raises them up. They have a [03:15] system of revival culture and a way of [03:16] handling prophecy that I believe creates [03:19] men like this over and over again. And [03:23] it's going to keep happening over and [03:24] over again. So, I'm hoping to bring [03:25] positive reform into the charismatic [03:27] church. You may not agree with [03:29] everything I share in this video. Those [03:31] of you who are charismatics, especially [03:32] leaders watching this, um, fine, but [03:35] glean what you can, find what you can [03:37] that is beneficial to you. And please [03:40] consider how to stop this stuff from [03:41] happening again inside your own [03:43] fellowships and to your own people [03:45] because it's not worth revival culture [03:48] to victimize your own people and put [03:49] them in front of fake prophets and tell [03:52] them about fake healings and all this [03:53] other stuff. It has to stop and it has [03:56] to stop now. So, I think this video will [03:58] help that. I do believe it. That's why [04:00] I'm doing it for the benefit and [04:01] blessings of the charismatic church. So, [04:03] I'm exposing a whole bunch of corruption [04:05] inside the charismatic church. It has to [04:07] be done. Um, I've because I've done this [04:09] series of videos now and I'll continue [04:11] with the series for a while. Then I'll [04:12] stop the series, get back to Bible [04:13] studies, and I will be very happy to do [04:14] that. Because of that though, there is [04:18] going to be slander coming against me [04:20] personally because, you know, shoot the [04:22] messenger kind of thing. So, I just want [04:23] to make a couple things really clear. I [04:25] believe in the gifts. I'm not advocating [04:27] against the use of the gifts of the [04:28] spirit of prophecy or tongues or any of [04:31] those things. Um, as long as they're [04:33] done biblically and properly, which that [04:34] I'm advocating for, and that does not [04:36] often happen. Um, I I'm making no money [04:38] from these videos, right? The what I [04:40] mean here is that the the uh on YouTube, [04:43] there's no monetization on these videos. [04:45] All these charismatic, you know, coverup [04:47] culture videos I'm making, there's zero [04:48] monetization. So, every it can make a [04:50] million views, it will not make me any [04:52] money. The money doesn't go to me [04:53] anyways. it goes to the ministry and it [04:55] doesn't affect my paycheck. I don't get [04:56] like a ratio raise when when there's [04:59] more ad revenue that comes in. We have [05:01] minimal ads because that you should on [05:03] YouTube or else YouTube doesn't promote [05:04] your content as much. Um, but this has [05:07] to be done and I'm I'm not here to [05:08] destroy the church. Uh, I' I'd actually [05:10] like to see Sean repent and I'd be so so [05:13] happy if any of the people I'm talking [05:14] about repent and I will champion them [05:16] being forgiven and them being seen as [05:19] cleansed by the Lord if there's real [05:21] repentance. But the problem is these [05:23] guys fake it all the time. They fake [05:24] repentance all the time. So we need we [05:26] need proof here. I'm trying to follow [05:28] what the Bible tells us to do. In 1 [05:29] Timothy 5:19-20, it says the first part [05:32] that the charismatic church is already [05:34] doing. It says, "Do not admit a charge [05:36] against an elder." But they don't read [05:38] the rest of it usually. It says, "Except [05:40] on the evidence of two or three [05:42] witnesses. As for those who persist in [05:44] sin, distance yourself from them." No, [05:46] that's not what it says. No. Pretend [05:49] that you have no part in their in their [05:50] ministry or you didn't raise them up. [05:51] No, that's not what it says. It says, [05:53] "Rebuke them in the presence of all so [05:56] that the rest may stand in fear." That [05:58] is this kind of rebuke. What I'm [06:00] bringing right now about shambles, it's [06:02] meant to cause all of the people, all of [06:05] the leaders to go, I better I better [06:07] walk right. I better not manipulate. I [06:09] better not fake my prophecies. I better [06:11] not exaggerate my my spiritual [06:14] experiences. I better not do any of that [06:16] stuff. And we need that kind of reform [06:18] in the charismatic church big time. [06:21] Okay, let's go down the rabbit hole. [06:32] Sean BS. [06:35] This is the guy Shawn BS. He's the guy [06:37] that hears from God or pretends to hear [06:39] from God no matter who it hurts. Sean [06:42] doesn't come off like a highbrow prophet [06:43] though. Um he was like the boy wonder. [06:46] I'll tell tell you more about this. I'll [06:47] tell you more about everything. It's all [06:48] coming out today. Text messages. secret [06:51] recording, multiple witnesses. [06:54] It's all coming out. It's all coming [06:56] out. I've been sitting on this stuff for [06:57] a while now, and it's time. So, he [07:00] doesn't come off like a highbrow [07:01] prophet. Sean comes off like a normal [07:04] dude. Uh, but he's one who's literally [07:07] getting revelation from God on a [07:08] continual basis. That's the thing. He's [07:10] I'm just a normal guy, but man, he hears [07:11] from God. He can tell you without ever [07:13] meeting you. He will tell you your [07:14] birthday, your street address, how many [07:16] kids you have, the name of your pet, [07:19] your where your mom lives, and other [07:21] private information. He'll tell you [07:22] about things that you've done recently [07:24] or or hopes that you have in your heart. [07:26] And and he says it's all coming from [07:28] God. He's like, "I've never met you, but [07:29] I'm but I know your number, but I know [07:31] your name, but I the Lord showed me the [07:32] name of your dog. It's Maverick. I know [07:34] it." And you go and you think, "Wow, [07:36] he's really speaking to me. God's [07:38] speaking to me." So, he convinced [07:39] through this what is ultimately a [07:41] gimmick. He convinced countless people [07:44] that he was a prophet. This was [07:46] especially true when Bill Johnson [07:49] platformed him at ISUsa. Now, this [07:53] platforming was a big deal. Here, let me [07:56] show it to you. [07:58] At this event in 2016, this is where [08:02] Bill Johnson put that's Bill Johnson on [08:04] stage there with Shambles in front of [08:05] countless people in the stadium and [08:07] probably millions who saw it online. [08:10] this event was was a big thing. He gets [08:12] up there and he starts calling people [08:13] out in we'll look at some videos of this [08:15] later. Uh calling people out in the [08:17] audience. He calls out a name. He he [08:19] tells them their life story. He tells [08:21] them God's calling them to be a [08:22] missionary to this place and go here. [08:24] And it was just an amazing amazing [08:27] event. Look at how Bill introduced him [08:29] because I want us to understand that [08:31] Bill Johnson has responsibility for [08:33] Shambles. [08:35] >> But we're also weaving in the prophetic. [08:37] And one of our dearest friends, one of [08:39] our most trusted friends is Shawn BS. [08:42] And the Lord has shown him several [08:43] things. [08:44] >> That's how we got introduced. Why? Cuz [08:46] people know and trust Bill Johnson. Bill [08:48] Johnson is one of the most respected [08:50] leaders in the charismatic church right [08:52] now. He is seen as a safe man, a man who [08:55] is gentle, who is incredibly loving, who [08:58] never says a bad word about anybody. [09:00] This is his reputation. Like you will [09:02] you'll never hear him say a bad word [09:04] about a single human being in his entire [09:05] life. Um, which of course makes it so [09:08] that his congregation would think a [09:10] video like what I'm doing is inherently [09:12] wrong because Bill's such a nice guy. [09:14] Um, so it's an interesting interesting [09:16] method of self-p protection if you ask [09:18] me. But Bill introduces him this way. [09:20] Now, at the same time, it was not too [09:24] long after this where Chris Valatin, his [09:26] number two guy at Bethl, was texting one [09:29] of their um, one of the victims of Shawn [09:32] BS and he told him and showed him the [09:33] following. Let me put on your screen. [09:36] This was in January 9th of 2021. He [09:40] says, "I told him, Shawn BS, he needs to [09:42] clean up his mess before he has a [09:43] relationship with any of our people. [09:45] I've also told our entire team that they [09:46] are not to not minister with Shawn or [09:48] have him in any of their ministries. [09:50] I've also had a conversation with Bethl [09:52] Music Leadership team and told them [09:54] about Shawn's situation. They've agreed [09:56] to ban him from their ministry. [09:59] I'm going to show you more of that text [10:00] conversation later on in this video, but [10:03] this is what has gone on. There has been [10:07] the endorsement, then there was the [10:09] distancing privately, but yet in 2023, [10:14] Bill Johnson goes public again. And [10:15] they've never at this point in time the [10:17] timeline, they never made a public [10:19] statement about Shambles being any kind [10:20] of problem. [10:22] But in 2023, Bill Johnson goes with [10:26] Shambles on TBN and he says the [10:28] following about Shawn. [10:30] >> But Bill, you wrote the forward to this [10:32] book. It's called Translating God, [10:34] hearing God's voice for yourself and the [10:37] word around world around you. But you [10:38] wrote that this was one of the most [10:40] exciting books that you had read. Why [10:43] was that? [10:43] >> Um well the book by itself is [10:45] incredible. Knowing the life that backs [10:47] it up adds a power to it because it's so [10:50] it's so practical. [10:52] It's it's what you dream of. It's like [10:54] if if you could see if you could have a [10:57] perfect relationship with the Lord and [10:59] see its impact on humanity, that's what [11:02] it would look like. I get excited [11:04] knowing that we could actually raise up [11:05] generations of people to do the same [11:07] thing. [11:10] We'll go all the way into the rabbit [11:11] hole today, but Bill endorsing him like [11:14] this, you will see very clearly, was an [11:16] atrocious and evil act. [11:21] Atrocious and evil. [11:24] He set him up as a prophet to the world. [11:28] He later had Chris Chris Valatin, you [11:32] know, under his under his ultimate [11:33] leadership calling even calling uh [11:35] Sean's board going he needs to be pulled [11:37] out of ministry. he cannot do any of any [11:38] events with us. He can't be anywhere [11:39] near our team. Um, but publicly they [11:42] wouldn't say a word about him. And when [11:43] they were asked about it, they made it [11:45] sound like it was sort of nebulous and [11:46] who knows what's really wrong with this [11:48] guy. Then Bill goes and endorses him. [11:49] Well, the book by itself is incredible. [11:51] Knowing the life that backs it up adds a [11:54] power to it. If you could have a perfect [11:56] relationship with the Lord and see its [11:58] impact on humanity, that's what it would [12:00] look like. [12:01] >> What we find out though is that victims [12:03] of Shawn had reached out to Bethl [12:05] leadership and asked them for help. And [12:07] ultimately they decided not our problem. [12:10] Um and here's the thing, pastors have to [12:12] protect their people. If in my church [12:15] somebody was targeting the flock there [12:18] that that I'm part of, I would feel the [12:20] obligation to protect them. Especially [12:22] if you're the leader, you're the pastor. [12:24] You're the supposed prophet. Kil Chris [12:26] is supposed to be the prophet of Bethl. [12:29] Yet he's not protecting his people. His [12:31] reputation is one of prophetic [12:32] integrity. It's not it's not real. [12:34] Bill's reputation is one of safety. It's [12:37] not real and it needs to be exposed [12:39] because it's a broader problem that goes [12:41] bigger than Bethl. Even though Bethl's [12:42] really big, they're one of the most [12:44] influential charismatic churches on the [12:46] planet as far as other people taking [12:48] their lead, learning their practices, [12:50] and trying to copy them. Um, which I I [12:53] find to be a hazardous path. [12:57] So, [12:59] in 2022, [13:01] right, a year approximately, not not [13:03] even quite a year, before Bill Johnson [13:05] goes and publicly endorses Shawn BS [13:07] again on TBN, I have a secretly recorded [13:12] conversation where Stacy Campbell, [13:14] another one of the prophetesses in the [13:15] charismatic movement, is giving a list [13:17] of all the people in the leadership who [13:19] know about Shawn and how dangerous Shawn [13:21] is. BS is archery and totally dangerous. [13:28] Patricia King who told Chay and who told [13:32] Chris Valatin [13:35] told these gross stories [13:38] of [13:40] sexual immorality [13:42] of Shawn Bols. [13:45] I know this from Chris's direct mouth. [13:50] He said, "As far as I'm concerned, Sean [13:52] Boltz is a deceiver and I will not have [13:56] a back where I trust him." [13:58] And so I'm concerned for you because I [14:00] love you. [14:01] >> Mhm. [14:02] >> I'm giving you the warning that he's [14:04] dangerous. His behavior is bad. [14:08] He's been caught red-handed. [14:12] He can be worthwhile and he's [14:13] unrepentant. [14:15] He's not only dangerous for the body of [14:17] Christ that a lot of times the people [14:20] that affiliate with him go down when [14:22] they go down. Every single bit of [14:26] information Sean prophesying, you can [14:29] find it on page one. [14:32] You can find the whole thing and there [14:35] was nothing that Sean was prophesying [14:39] that was that was from unknown [14:42] revelation. It was only on. And so he [14:45] sent me a document only 20 pages long. [14:49] This is what Sean said. This is on the [14:51] front page of their Facebook pages. This [14:54] is on the second page. If you Google the [14:56] person that their is their son that you [14:59] find it, you know, I mean, it it just it [15:01] was all there and it was highly [15:03] intimidating in the order of law. [15:06] >> I'm going to play that recording for you [15:07] later. This is a very, very big deal [15:09] because if they all knew and they [15:10] wouldn't tell you guys, [15:13] it uncovers something real about the [15:15] fact that what else do they know? Who [15:17] else do they know about? Cuz I'll tell [15:18] you, I could give you a list of names of [15:20] people who should be publicly called out [15:22] and who when leaders knew didn't do it. [15:25] They didn't do it with Todd Bentley when [15:26] they should have done it. They didn't do [15:27] it with Bob Hartley when they should [15:28] have done it. They didn't properly do it [15:29] with Paul Kaine or Mike Bickl or I could [15:32] just keep going on or William Brandham [15:34] if you want to go really back to people [15:36] who died before I was born. You know, [15:38] it's been going on for a long time. [15:41] So, if Bill would endorse Shawn, who [15:44] else would he endorse while overlooking [15:46] serious issues? Who else would he put up [15:49] as an incredible the life behind the [15:51] book is is just it bears witness and all [15:53] this kind of garbage which is which is [15:55] not true. [15:57] I have even spoken to some of the [15:58] leaders in the movement and they told me [16:00] one of in particular uh I won't give his [16:02] name but a leader in the charismatic [16:04] movement who told me Mike if we really [16:06] start calling out all the guys that we [16:08] know are doing like they're not just [16:11] have sin issues I want to be gracious to [16:12] leaders who have sin issues cuz we all [16:14] do and so do I. Um but I mean people who [16:17] are like they're defrauding the people [16:19] of God. They're lying in the name of God [16:21] because if we we were to call them all [16:22] out it would it would devastate it would [16:24] devastate our movement. [16:26] will do it. Call them out. You have to. [16:29] All of you have to do it. Stop making [16:31] people who aren't even part of your [16:32] movement do it. Do it yourselves. That [16:34] will bring integrity back to your [16:36] movement. This video though, today's [16:38] video is dedicated ultimately to the [16:40] victims of Shawn BS, the many victims of [16:42] Shawn BS. I've talked to three different [16:44] people who had uh marriages that they [16:46] entered into because Shawn prophesied to [16:48] them to get married, even though they [16:50] say they don't do that sort of thing. [16:51] Apparently happens a lot. Um and they [16:53] were disasters. So they they got married [16:55] because of a prophecy and it exploded in [16:57] their in their faces, including one [17:00] named Jubilee Dawn. Let's listen to her [17:02] story now so you can get an idea of the [17:04] people that I care about right now cuz I [17:06] I for priority of who is more to be [17:09] cared for, loved, and protected right [17:11] now. It is not Shawn Bulls. It is [17:13] Jubilee Dawn. So we're going to look [17:14] into what Jubilee Dawn says here. This [17:16] is going to be her story. It's it's it's [17:19] in detail. She got married because [17:20] Shambols. She believed in Shawn BS [17:22] because of Bill Johnson and she almost [17:25] was killed by her husband. [17:30] That Shawn BS said God was giving her to [17:31] that man. [17:32] >> I'm going to tell you about how it [17:34] directly impacted my life and almost [17:36] killed me. In 2015, I was dating a man, [17:38] let's call him Ted, and we had only been [17:40] dating for about a month. So, this [17:41] church conference happened and I am [17:44] still getting to know this guy. He was [17:46] 10 years older than me. It's a long [17:48] story, but essentially at this [17:50] conference, my ex was called out by [17:52] Shawn Bulls. And I'm going to play that [17:54] clip for you now. [17:54] >> When you hand me the phone last night, [17:56] um I saw 50, but I know that 50 is [17:58] Jubilee Year. There's something about [17:59] God's giving you a Jubilee. What does [18:00] that mean to you? [18:03] >> Oh, your girlfriend's name is Jubilee. [18:06] That's awesome. Well, God's giving you [18:07] this girl. [18:09] And when we ordered the food this [18:10] morning, they the By the way, [18:13] >> so he starts off by, you know, God's [18:14] giving you a jewel. Well, I he always [18:16] acts shocked. You're going to see this [18:17] many times. He always likes to act [18:19] surprised. I don't believe a single one [18:21] of these prophecies came from God. I [18:23] think he's been data mining for years [18:25] and years and years and years. And you [18:27] learned it from Paul Kaine and uh Bob [18:29] Jones and the other guys who did it [18:30] before him. And that's my theory. Now, [18:33] not everybody agrees with me. Not even [18:34] everybody I've talked to agrees with me [18:35] about this. But let me share with you [18:37] guys the evidence. Julie will give you [18:39] some reasons to think that this was all [18:41] made up. But imagine in the moment [18:43] you're you're just in the audience and [18:45] you hear this prophet, God's giving you [18:48] a jubilee. Oh, God's giving you that [18:51] girl. You hear this and then you tell [18:53] your girlfriend this. Of course she [18:55] marries you. Of course she thinks I can [18:57] never leave you. No matter if you [18:58] strangle me, I can never leave you. [19:01] >> This is a huge huge advertisement in the [19:03] midst of prophesying and it's a [19:05] prophetic advertisement that that tomato [19:06] pie cafe place is like level 10 awesome. [19:08] and we've been eating there for the [19:09] mornings and it's like they've been [19:10] bringing us food kindly enough and [19:12] they're amazing. But does she have [19:13] something to do with the Tomato Pie [19:14] Cafe? Does she she works? Okay. Right. [19:18] Jubilee from Tomato Pie Cafe. [19:20] >> So that is the clip and that is where he [19:21] said that God was giving him Jubilee. [19:23] Now in hindsight I know that where I [19:25] worked was on Facebook. The fact that we [19:27] were in a relationship was also on [19:29] Facebook and he had met my ex the day [19:31] before. So he was able to go home and [19:34] find all that information. It's hard to [19:35] put into words how highly esteemed this [19:37] man is in these religious circles. Bethl [19:40] being the main hub of these religious [19:42] circles and essentially you just kind of [19:44] believe that anything that this man says [19:47] is like the word of God because he was a [19:50] very esteemed prophet and had a stamp of [19:52] approval from Bethl. We ended up getting [19:54] married later that year and he [19:55] immediately turned abusive and I [19:58] suffered through about four years of [20:00] horrible physical, spiritual, mental [20:04] abuse and it was absolutely traumatic [20:06] and he ended up strangling me a couple [20:08] years into our marriage and I did not [20:11] leave this relationship because of what [20:13] Shawn Bull said. I thought that God [20:16] wanted me to be with this man and it was [20:20] mental anguish to unpack all of that. [20:22] Obviously, I've deconstructed a lot [20:24] since leaving Bethl. Um, but at the [20:27] time, I was still drinking the Kool-Aid [20:29] and thought that this prophet knew what [20:31] God's will was. So, it took the second [20:35] time that he strangled me for me to [20:37] finally leave. And even in leaving, I [20:39] was so tormented by this decision [20:42] because I didn't know if I was outside [20:44] of the will of God. He strangled me for [20:46] the last time in January 2020 and I [20:48] wasn't able to swallow without pain for [20:51] 10 days. And it was a very, very scary [20:54] situation. Look up the statistics on [20:56] your likelihood of being unalived after [20:58] you have been strangled. I'm very lucky [21:00] to be alive. [21:01] >> Um, she's entirely correct here. So, [21:04] order of events, right? Bethl endorses [21:06] the guy. She's at Bethl. She's a [21:08] third-year student at the Bethl School [21:09] of Supernatural Ministry. You you're [21:11] fully committed when you're a thirdyear [21:12] student there. She's got a internship [21:14] with Georgian Banov, a guy who still [21:16] platform shambles even after uh [21:19] everybody knew. Everybody knew in the [21:21] well in the leaders, none of us knew, [21:24] right? On the elites, uh they knew. Um [21:28] and she hears this because of Bethl, she [21:31] believes this word. She gets strangled. [21:32] Now, I was a domestic violence [21:33] counselor, which means I've had some [21:35] some training in that area. And [21:37] strangulation is in in not only is it [21:40] inherently a murderous act. Um but it [21:43] can actually result in death even days [21:45] later because of the residual swelling [21:47] that happens after somebody is [21:48] strangled. It is incredibly scary and [21:51] dangerous and evil and murderous. And I [21:53] do have a video on divorce and remarage [21:55] for those who would like to look at it. [21:57] I think that from Jubilee's description, [21:59] she was justified in fleeing for her [22:01] life and leaving that man. That was [22:03] appropriate. What's crazy is that it was [22:06] 2020 when she finally left, right? [22:09] But Bethl had information and evidence [22:13] about Shawn being a fraud in 2016. [22:16] Probably earlier, probably. Who knows? [22:18] Maybe 2008. I don't know. I just don't [22:20] know cuz they're not going to tell me. I [22:22] don't think they're honest about these [22:23] things. And I'll I'll give you reasons [22:24] to think this. I'm going to show some [22:26] what I would consider to be total [22:28] deception from Chris Valatin uh later [22:31] on. [22:34] And just so happened in 2020 is when [22:37] everything came out about Shawn, but it [22:40] came out behind the scenes and nobody [22:42] said a freaking word. Chris Valton is [22:44] one of the heads of Bethl and he is [22:46] known for his prophetic ministry and he [22:49] has done many conferences with Shawn BS. [22:52] So essentially it all came out in 2020 [22:55] what he had been doing. Somebody had [22:57] come and presented a bunch of evidence [22:59] to Chris Falton and he agreed that it [23:03] was really bad and fishy and he was [23:04] fully convinced that Shawn was a fraud. [23:07] In 2020, they decided to silently [23:09] distance themselves from Shawn. So, they [23:11] started to take his books out of the [23:13] bookstore. They stopped doing [23:14] conferences with him, but they never [23:16] said a word to their congregation, which [23:19] is absolutely outrageous. [23:21] >> Well, she she's right here. She's [23:22] correct. That is outrageous. Um, but [23:25] Bethl knew before that. Uh, I think that [23:27] they knew. There's more that they knew [23:29] in 2020, it seems. Um, but they knew [23:32] before that about the prophecy stuff. It [23:34] was in 2016 stuff was even publicly [23:36] being put online. But nobody believed it [23:38] because the leaders didn't support it. [23:40] The leaders didn't actually back up and [23:42] go, "Hey, let's let's take a look at [23:43] this. Let's examine these things and let [23:45] No, they just let him continue." They [23:48] let him continue. And it seems as though [23:50] Bethl's actions and everybody's actions [23:52] since then have only been a reaction to [23:54] things going public in a way that is [23:56] meant to create damage control and [23:58] self-preservation. So that is the [24:01] opposite of protecting your people. [24:02] Sometimes ministries have to make [24:04] choices between protecting the leaders [24:06] and protecting those people who they [24:08] lead. And you always pick the people. [24:09] Jesus, he showed us how to lead. He laid [24:12] his life down for the sake of the sheep. [24:13] and we have to lay our lives down, even [24:15] our reputations down for the sake of the [24:17] people that we are tasked to protect and [24:20] to guard. Um, but they didn't do that. [24:23] They didn't want their reputations [24:25] damaged, it seems. [24:26] So, Jubilee story, just one of the many, [24:31] many people that Shawn has lied to, has [24:34] deceived, has manipulated, and has used [24:36] his words of knowledge h to to to trick [24:39] so many people who need to be warned [24:41] because he he as a supposed prophet, he [24:44] gave words to thousands upon thousands [24:46] upon thousands of people, life-changing [24:48] words. We'll I did a video already about [24:50] with Elijah Stevens where he talked [24:51] about his individual story. We went in [24:53] great detail of his story and how Bethl [24:55] misled him um and um it it caused him a [25:00] lot of harm uh PTSD. It caused him [25:03] marital issues. It caused him to lose uh [25:07] their basically their retirement. I [25:08] imagine what it would be like to lose [25:10] your retirement because you believe that [25:12] you're on a task from God that Shawn BS [25:14] told you to do and so you give you give [25:16] everything you have to it because you're [25:17] a genuine guy who really trusts the [25:19] Lord. But you were lied to. And when you [25:21] ask Bethl, "Was I lied to?" They dodge [25:24] you. And they know, but they don't want [25:26] to tell you. [25:27] That happened to him. How many people [25:29] does he represent, though? [25:38] Let's talk about BS's history. Okay, [25:39] this is the part of the video where [25:40] we're going to dive deep into the [25:43] history of Shawn BS. We'll show him [25:45] giving words of of of knowledge to [25:47] people. You'll get to see what that [25:48] experience looked like over and over [25:49] again. And I want to show you the people [25:52] that propped him up. I'm going to give [25:53] you the names, give you the the the [25:54] ministries that lifted him up, who all [25:57] then just went silent and distanced [25:58] themselves instead of protecting the [26:00] people, the people that they put this [26:01] false prophet in front of. Cuz you [26:03] better believe if I put a false prophet [26:04] on my my YouTube channel even, and then [26:07] found out he was fake, I wouldn't just [26:08] delete the video. I would have to put a [26:10] warning out for the sake of the people [26:11] who saw it. As much as that would be [26:13] embarrassing, that's that's what's [26:15] obvious and necessary. Okay, so Shawn [26:17] BS's history, the history of Shawn BS. [26:19] He grew up in signs and wonders circles. [26:21] He's been part of that movement and part [26:23] of that stuff for as long as we're aware [26:25] of. And he was connected to guys like [26:28] Bob Jones and Paul Kaine and Mike Bickl. [26:31] He was really connected to these guys. [26:33] They were all of them false prophets. [26:36] All of them, in my opinion, false [26:38] prophets. Now, some people say that the [26:39] jury is still out that, you know, best [26:42] case scenario, Bob Jones, Paul Kane, and [26:44] Mike Bickl were maybe there was some [26:46] true gifting that was there from God. [26:48] Best case scenario in one or two or even [26:50] three of those situations. But they all [26:52] used prophecy to sexually manipulate and [26:56] take advantage of people. All of them. [26:58] Bob Jones did this to two women I'll [27:00] tell you about later. Paul Kaine did it [27:02] to employees where he pushed homosexual [27:05] relationships onto employees and then [27:07] would blackmail them and stuff. Um, and [27:10] Mike Bickl did this to under even [27:12] underage women for decades. Recently [27:16] exposed Mike Bickl. Those are his [27:18] buddies. That's the circle he got raised [27:20] up in. He worked with Paul Kane. You [27:21] wonder what happened between him and [27:22] Paul Kaine. I think that's a fair [27:24] question to ask. Uh, Sean obviously [27:26] needs help, but he also has to be [27:28] stopped. Um, in 2013 though, Shambles [27:32] became like the guy. He's not just [27:35] another [27:37] Bobby Jones even. He's not another [27:38] Bickle. He's not another Paul Kane. He [27:40] is the new guy. He's the new kind of [27:42] prophecy guy, right? This this is next [27:44] level. Nobody has ever been as prolific [27:46] as Shawn BS is. And he became like the [27:49] wonder boy, the golden child of the [27:50] charismatic movement at the time. And [27:52] he's rising up that and it starts in [27:54] 2013, right? Yep. There was a the [27:57] trigger point of 2016, the ISUsa now [27:59] event, but it started in 2013. And this [28:02] is the kind of stuff he was doing. Let [28:04] me let me just play for you some [28:05] examples. [28:07] >> Michelle. So I saw Michelle and I saw a [28:10] friend of mine from Singapore, Lim. Is [28:11] that somebody? Michelle Lim. Does that [28:13] make sense to anybody? [28:14] >> Are you Michelle Lim? [28:16] >> That's good. You're here. Thank you, [28:17] Jesus. Praise the Lord. Do you have a [28:19] September birthday by chance? [28:21] >> Yes, September 20th. [28:22] >> Ah, that's awesome. [28:27] As we're doing this, is there um I saw [28:30] the name Judah and I saw Judges Road. Is [28:32] there a Judah who lives on Judg's Road [28:34] or where you at? Judah. Okay, this is on [28:37] the Bethl YouTube channel. This is where [28:40] I got this from. They've been scrubbing [28:41] all their content about Shawn BS. Again, [28:43] they're deleting and distancing things [28:44] just recently cuz this is this stuff I [28:47] found after I started researching this [28:48] stuff uh early last year. So, yeah, [28:51] Judah on Judges Road, he does these [28:53] things. He finds out things about you [28:55] and then you feel amazed. Imagine you [28:56] were in the room. Like really imagine [28:57] it, guys. You're in the room and this [28:58] guy is pumped up as a prophet from Bethl [29:01] leadership and then he gets on stage and [29:03] he calls out your name, knows your [29:05] address, says that God has a message for [29:07] you. [29:10] Thousands and thousands of people he's [29:12] done this to. Is this your street you [29:14] live on? [29:17] >> This is awesome. Is it Is it somewhere [29:18] like Louisiana or Texas or something? [29:20] Texas. This is good. Only God. He knows [29:24] where you live. Wow. [29:27] >> Is April 15th something to you? [29:29] >> My birthday. [29:30] >> Your birthday. [29:32] >> Hear that? [29:32] >> You know? [29:33] >> See the sign behind him? Young saints. [29:35] He's doing this to children. Okay. He's [29:37] doing this to kids. [29:42] >> Judah, God knew you would be here with [29:44] your older brother. I see an older [29:45] brother. Maybe uh Leon or Ryan. Ryan. [29:48] >> Ryan. [29:49] >> I don't know if this makes sense for [29:50] you. Um, I saw Lewis and Clark July [29:53] 26th. Does that make sense? [29:55] >> So Sean likes to take things he learns. [29:57] This is my belief. Well, I mean it's [29:58] pretty seems pretty obviously true. Sean [30:01] takes, you know, stuff he gets from [30:03] people online, whether it's their [30:04] address and he'll try to connect their [30:05] address to like a Bible verse or a psalm [30:08] or he'll take their last name or their [30:10] first name and he'll make a connection [30:11] into something else like abstract and [30:13] then he'll use that as the way of [30:15] prophetically saying, "Oh, I knew that [30:17] about you." So here he does it with [30:18] Louiswis and Clark. Her last name was [30:21] Clark. And um I felt like you got What's [30:23] July 26th? It's her birthday. Uh my [30:27] sister's birthday is in November, so I'm [30:28] thinking maybe November 27th. There was [30:30] something. That's your anniversary. I'm [30:32] glad you knew it. And uh Oh, she's from [30:36] St. Louis. Oh, that's really [30:37] interesting. [30:39] Louis and Clark. There she is. Is there [30:41] somebody [30:42] >> more kids stuff here in a second? Uh [30:44] now, you might be thinking already, some [30:45] of you in the audience are going like, [30:46] "Yeah, Mike, it's obvious this guy's [30:48] making stuff up. Oh, my sister's [30:50] birthday is in November, so November [30:52] 26th or whatever date. It seems obvious [30:54] to you, but they've the people at Bethl [30:57] and other churches in the charismatic [30:59] movement sometimes have been [31:00] desensitized to discernment. Discernment [31:02] is the one thing you don't do because [31:03] discernment kills the momentum of our [31:05] prophetic movement. Discernment kills [31:08] our ability to have a revival culture. [31:11] And it's because I think that the unique [31:13] thing that Bethl and other some of the [31:15] other like flagship bigger charismatic [31:18] church movements some of the things that [31:20] they offer make that make them unique [31:23] that make them stand out amongst all the [31:24] other charismatics is like wow that's [31:26] the place where the Holy Spirit's moving [31:27] like it's I mean it moves in our church [31:29] but but but but over there he he's he's [31:32] powerfully moving in at Jesus I image [31:34] church or at uh at Bethl. [31:37] I think some of the reasons people [31:38] believe that is because they're just [31:39] faking stuff and they've they've smashed [31:42] down the discernment of their audience [31:44] so that they've been trained to be very [31:46] gullible and receptive and undiscerning. [31:49] Discernment needs to be brought back [31:51] into the charismatic church. [31:52] >> I think your name's Angelina, but you go [31:54] by like Lena. Where are you? Hey, you [31:56] guys are all excited. Just half of the [31:58] bird just gasped and was excited. I love [32:00] that. How old are you? [32:02] You're eight. How about um May 3rd? Does [32:05] that mean something to you? That's her [32:06] birthday. God knows. [32:08] >> Does that little girl matter to the [32:09] Bethl leadership? [32:11] Why didn't they tell everybody about how [32:15] Shawn used her? Blasphe God's name. [32:19] >> He knows when you've been born. I've [32:20] never seen you in my entire life that I [32:22] know of. Do you have two sisters? Is [32:24] there I saw um a friend of mine, her [32:26] name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on [32:28] a road. Does that mean something like [32:30] it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that [32:32] you? [32:33] >> Kelly Rhodess. God knew you'd be here. I [32:36] didn't, but God did. That's awesome. Hi, [32:38] Kelly Rhodess. And how you've been like [32:41] a good daughter to [32:43] >> So, this is an event called More Love [32:44] More Power in 2017. BS had already been [32:47] exposed. The guy trying to expose them [32:49] had been attacked by Paul Kaine and that [32:51] whole thing was shut down. The guy went [32:52] into like whole crisis situation in his [32:55] life because without the strength and [32:56] support of leaders, anybody who tries to [32:59] expose someone like this just gets beat [33:01] up. And that has happened too many [33:03] times. [33:04] Doris [33:06] and uh January 27th. [33:10] That's a day. [33:11] >> Her mom's name and her mom's address. [33:13] We'll come back to that one. Doris Rose. [33:15] That's one of the best examples of what [33:16] we can show how Shawn got his data. And [33:19] because of he made a big mistake on that [33:21] one. I'll show it later. Here's another [33:23] child that he's manipulating. [33:25] >> What's the sixth? Is that the birthday [33:27] is on the 6th? Yay. This is gone. Um [33:30] this is a really random question. Is [33:32] your mom or dad here? Raise your hand, [33:33] Mom. Is there something? This is I I [33:35] could ask you too, Maddie, but Pope's [33:37] head. Does that make sense? What is [33:39] that? [33:44] >> I saw the Pope's head. What is that? Oh, [33:46] it's where you used to live. I [33:50] Oh, wow. Is there a Yanni and a Ian? [33:55] Hello. [33:56] >> Hi. [33:57] >> I'm Yiani. My husband Yiani. [33:59] >> Hi, I'm Ian. Is there something about [34:01] like [34:02] >> Isn't it interesting how he'll get names [34:03] and he doesn't know how to pronounce [34:04] them? Almost like he was reading them [34:07] off of something like Facebook. We'll [34:11] talk more about this. There's a reason [34:12] why in 2013 that's when his prophetic [34:14] gift took off. I'm going to give you all [34:16] the whole story today. It's all kind of [34:18] going to come out here. [34:19] >> Um [34:21] it's either December 11th or May 11th. [34:24] Is it 11th or 12th? May 11th or 12th? Is [34:26] that [34:27] >> May 12th? my youngest son's birthday. [34:31] >> Oh, this is good. Do you guys have four [34:33] kids? [34:34] >> Yes. [34:35] >> Is that [34:37] Do you see how the crowd reacts? [34:39] Everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, God's [34:40] giving him these amazing words." Now, [34:42] it's easy from the perspective of me [34:44] introducing this guy as a fake prophet. [34:45] You're going to receive this differently [34:46] than than if I had gotten up and said, [34:48] "Guys, this is amazing. Look at this man [34:50] of God. The Lord's taking us all into [34:52] new levels of spiritual depth and pro [34:54] prosperity and prophecy and healings." [34:57] And Sean is a sample of what's to come. [34:59] If if if that was what I was doing, then [35:02] you heard this. You would have said woe [35:04] too. Mo at least a majority of people [35:05] would. I think what I'm saying here is [35:08] he could not have done it his own on his [35:10] own. He had to have been propped up by [35:12] these trusted charismatic leaders. And [35:14] when he was exposed, they just went [35:17] silent basically. [35:19] >> Is there is there anybody who It was [35:22] your birthday on my book release day, [35:23] which is June 13th. Where? Oh, you this [35:27] is awesome. Stand up, please. I like [35:29] you. Of the whole room, we have one of [35:31] you. Carl Tuttle was here earlier. He's [35:33] an old friend of mine from the vineyard. [35:35] And I heard Carl. Is that Is that [35:36] something to you? [35:37] >> It's my first name. [35:38] >> Your name? There we go. [35:39] >> Carl. Carl. [35:40] >> I believe you're married. Are you [35:41] married? [35:41] >> Yes. [35:42] >> Oh, she's here. Go ahead and stand up, [35:43] too. I love that. You guys are awesome. [35:45] Is it [35:46] >> now? Probably these are just sincere [35:48] Christians who love the Lord. They're [35:50] being manipulated. Uh [35:52] they're victims. Um, Sean should have [35:55] been stopped before he ever got to this [35:56] point where he could say this sort of [35:57] thing. I'll give you more reasons to [35:58] think that, but [36:01] my heart goes out to them. I I think [36:03] that the believers inside of Bethl and [36:06] inside of Jesus image, inside of Morning [36:09] Star and inside of IHOP, the various [36:12] churches, there's so many people [36:13] represented by them, as well as the [36:15] people that that these groups influence [36:16] around the world. I think that the [36:18] normal believers in the pews would [36:20] basically be on the same page as me if [36:22] they only knew what was going on behind [36:23] the scenes. And so this is for you guys. [36:27] Our name is her name start with an R. [36:29] >> My last name is Rugie. [36:30] >> It's interesting cuz I'm seeing behind [36:32] you a woman in heaven. I believe Carl [36:35] would be your mom. [36:36] >> She just passed away at 93. I was there [36:38] when she passed away in Chico. [36:40] >> Was December 25th significant to her? [36:43] >> Yes, that's her birthday. [36:45] >> Oh wow. And you're for Payton. Who's [36:48] Payton? [36:50] >> Payton is my uh granddaughter. [36:52] >> And then I deadended into Lincoln [36:54] Street. And I was at [36:56] >> Lincoln Street. And I don't know if 28 [36:58] is part of the address, too. Does that [37:00] make sense? [37:02] >> Is this your house? Is it 28 like one or [37:04] 28? [37:05] >> I just [37:07] told your address. [37:10] >> I want us to understand everywhere he [37:12] went, he's doing this. started in 2013. [37:15] It's in smaller settings, yes, it's in [37:17] bigger settings, yes, it takes off [37:18] later, but started in 2013. There's a [37:21] really important reason for that, and [37:23] it's connected to Facebook. And uh I [37:25] give all credit to Matthew Hartkey for [37:26] being the one who figured this out, but [37:28] I got to share it with you guys. [37:30] >> I I went to your house in the spirit for [37:32] a second. [37:33] >> Is there a a Nelson who has a birthday [37:37] October 28th and you're from Philly? Is [37:40] there a Danielle or Daniela from [37:43] Greenville with a December 5th birthday? [37:48] >> See, now we're into 2016. This is at the [37:50] Isusa Now event in 2016 and he is um [37:57] he is calling people out and everybody's [38:00] stunned. He was probably the highlight [38:01] of the entire event, this one guy. And [38:04] after this, there's a line out the door [38:06] to get to his church. He had a church [38:07] which he's no longer part of. Um I think [38:10] he might I don't know if he's still [38:11] getting paid from them or something but [38:12] he's not like there actually ministering [38:13] to people as far as I know. Um [38:16] Expressions Church in LA and every event [38:19] he goes to is packed out and he's hugely [38:21] in demand. It was after this moment. [38:23] This is it's supernatural. It's [38:24] supernatural is Sid Roth's very [38:27] significant and influential uh [38:29] charismatic ministry and he platforms [38:33] people. That's what he does. He [38:34] interviews people. He brings in a [38:35] prophet. He brings in a healer. He [38:36] brings in an apostle. He brings in a [38:38] dreamer. He helped platform uh Brian [38:40] Simmons and get the Passion translation [38:42] pushed out there. And he's it's always [38:43] salesreated. He brings people on and [38:45] they're always hawking their goods every [38:47] single time. And it's always a promise [38:48] that his audience will be taken into new [38:50] spiritual depths. It's it's a very [38:52] consistent routine. He interviewed Sean [38:54] back in 2016. Now it has been deleted. [38:58] Right. As of January 28th of 2025, a [39:01] year ago, it was deleted. But I found it [39:04] on the way back machine and we can learn [39:06] some interesting stuff from the things [39:08] that were said there. Let me move myself [39:10] a little bit out of the way. Okay. So in [39:14] this newsletter 2016 September again [39:17] this is when he takes off. Sean is not [39:19] only the guy who can speak from God and [39:21] hear from hear from God but he's the guy [39:23] who can train you to do it. This becomes [39:25] Sean's sticktick. Right? This is the [39:26] salesunnel is prophecy and then I get [39:29] the people who who I will train on how [39:31] they will do prophecy and then Sean [39:33] sells his training courses. So this is [39:35] his salesunnel. He still does it today. [39:37] He still does prophetic training [39:38] courses. He still sells them on his [39:39] site. So in this article, everyone can [39:42] hear God's voice. This is where Shawn BS [39:46] is going to tell them how they can hear [39:47] God's voice. Now in him telling them, [39:49] he's going to talk about how he got his [39:51] prophetic gift from the Lord. And so [39:53] let's look at that. He says, "I started [39:55] getting um let me see if I can [39:58] manipulate the where this is. Okay. Uh [40:00] so you can see where it was captured way [40:02] back machine, right? 2016. Um I started [40:05] to get birth dates and anniversary [40:07] dates. This is where he talks about his [40:10] upgrade where he went basically I'll say [40:12] he went from old methods of faking [40:13] prophecy that were more laborious and [40:15] you weren't able to get as much [40:16] information and that's what Paul Kane [40:18] would do. He went to new methods of [40:20] faking prophecy which was all about [40:21] social media. So, I've received many [40:23] upgrades to my prophetic ability to hear [40:25] and translate God to the world around [40:27] me. In 2013, I received one of these [40:30] upgrades. And with it, God showed me the [40:31] power of the word of knowledge. He wants [40:33] us to use his intimate knowledge of [40:35] people to demonstrate how he loves them. [40:37] I started to get birth dates and [40:39] anniversary dates of strangers, [40:41] grounding them in the knowledge of God [40:42] that know that God knows them and cares [40:45] about what they care about. I began to [40:47] hear where people went to school and the [40:49] types of careers they had, right? Almost [40:52] like it was information on their about [40:55] tab. I had visions of significant [40:57] moments in their lives when something [40:58] good happened and where God had been [41:00] present. Almost like he was scrolling [41:01] through people's photographs. These [41:03] prophetic words brought them into [41:04] connection, a connection or deeper [41:06] connection with God who loves them and [41:08] is with them. All right. What we're [41:09] going to see next is genuinely a little [41:11] bit creepy. Let me see if I can bring it [41:12] into the screen. [41:14] During this time, Randy Clark invited me [41:16] to visit his ministry school. He wanted [41:18] to go after the prophetic word of [41:20] knowledge gift specifically, not just [41:22] for words about healing, but also to [41:24] demonstrate God's love through prophecy. [41:27] He received the impartation from me and [41:30] then stepped out for nearly an hour, [41:32] getting street addresses, people's [41:33] children's names, and more. It was [41:35] uncomfortable for him, but so many [41:37] people were encouraged as they watched a [41:39] great leader try something new at great [41:41] risk. So this moment with Randy Clark, [41:47] Randy Clark is a significant name in the [41:49] charismatic movement. Um, [41:53] if you get your impartation from a [41:54] fraud, [41:56] I think your impartation was fraudulent. [41:59] So I think Randy Clark should come out [42:01] and talk about this. And why has he not [42:03] already? To my knowledge, he hasn't. If [42:04] he has, I'd like to know it. I'll share [42:05] it if he has on on social media so [42:07] people can see it. But um but yeah, [42:10] that's something else to consider is [42:11] there's this interweb of these different [42:12] guys. They're getting anointings from [42:14] each other, right? So Todd White's like, [42:16] "I got my anointing from Kenneth [42:17] Copeland, right?" And then someone else [42:18] goes, "I got mine from Todd White." And [42:20] they're all these are all fake [42:21] anointings. They're not that's not the [42:22] Holy Spirit. If you're anointed with [42:24] something spiritual, it's it's the wrong [42:26] spirit. So this stuff became the [42:27] cornerstone of Shawn's ministry. This [42:29] this became the whole deal, right? When [42:31] he was if he's teaching, if he's [42:33] lecturing, it's not that interesting to [42:35] people. Doesn't get that much attention. [42:36] But when he does the prophecy thing, [42:37] people come out in droves. And so he's [42:40] given prophecy to thousands of [42:42] individuals, hundreds of hundreds of [42:43] thousands of people in crowds. And he [42:45] begins training other people like he did [42:47] on the Sid Roth show on how they can [42:49] learn from God. That's what led to his [42:51] book that Bill Johnson endorsed and [42:53] several other people from their ministry [42:55] endorsed. And I'll read some of those [42:56] endorsements later on. So he's the guy [42:59] he's the guy who teaches people how to [43:01] hear from God in the charismatic [43:02] movement at this point. And [43:06] it was it was it was fake. It was fake. [43:09] He's fake. [43:11] It's fake. [43:13] And it's so sad because there's so many [43:14] believers. Let me show you this picture [43:15] again. There's so many believers right [43:18] here, [43:20] stunned as Shawn Bulls reads from his [43:22] cell phone fake words as Bill Johnson [43:25] endorses him and presents all these [43:26] people to him because of the trust [43:28] people have for for Bill. [43:31] Bill may be the most influential [43:33] charismatic in the English-speaking [43:34] world right now [43:37] and trusted amongst other leaders. [43:41] Bill Adusa again introduced Shawn as his [43:45] closest or most trusted friend. That was [43:47] that was the introduction. This is my [43:49] most trusted friend and he hears he [43:51] hears from God many things right at [43:52] Bethl reading. That's not the only [43:54] endorsement he got. Let's look at some [43:56] more of these endorsements. I had to go [43:57] get my jacket, put it on, warm up a bit. [44:00] Okay, [44:01] so we're going to talk about more of the [44:03] endorsements. Uh, I think that it's [44:04] important people realize how widely and [44:06] how strongly Shawn was endorsed because [44:08] I think that now a lot of individuals [44:10] are going to act like it was no big deal [44:12] or he wasn't considered like the wonder [44:14] boy of the charismatic church, the guy [44:16] who was going to guide us all into the [44:17] next stage of prophetic anointing so we [44:20] could be more profound than Pentecost or [44:22] the apostles ever were. That is actually [44:24] kind of the stuff people think. I would [44:27] like to now show you. Okay, there was [44:29] not only Bill, this is Sean at Bethl. [44:31] This was on Bethl's not only in their [44:33] audience, but on their on their bethl.tv [44:36] streaming service as well as YouTube and [44:37] wherever else they put it. And this is [44:40] how Terresa Deadman introduced Shawn BS [44:43] to the people of Bethl. [44:45] >> And this is an amazing time that we're [44:46] living in. Sean has so many testimonies [44:48] about the doors that are opening. And so [44:50] I want you to get on your feet and honor [44:52] one of the most prophetic creative [44:54] people I know on the planet. Sean, a [44:57] good friend of the house. He's amazing. [45:04] >> One of the most prophetic creative [45:06] people I know on the planet. She says, [45:09] "This is actually Terresa Deadmond's [45:11] clothing line. She sells prophetic [45:13] leggings." My fashion designs, I read [45:16] from her uh product page, "My fashion [45:18] designs embody the prophetic art they [45:20] are created from." So they're created [45:22] from pro she does this prophetic art and [45:23] then she puts them onto pants. [45:27] Wearing my art enhances your awareness [45:29] of God's presence and helps you become a [45:31] walking encounter of heaven's message to [45:33] those around you. Also known as [45:37] baloney sauce. [45:40] No, it doesn't do that. That's not how [45:42] it works. You don't put on these special [45:44] pants that are prints of artwork from [45:47] Terresa Deadmond and then it's going to [45:48] enhance your awareness of God's presence [45:50] and make you a walking encounter of [45:52] heaven's message to those around you. [45:54] >> You're just you're wearing yoga pants. [45:58] >> She is the one who introduces Shawn to [46:01] the people at Bethl and does so [46:06] with their leadership team, with their [46:09] people all aware of it. Look at this [46:10] room full of people. [46:14] This guy's getting on stage and he's [46:17] going to share words that he looked up [46:18] on Facebook. It's reasonable to think [46:21] that that's exactly what's going to [46:22] happen right right after this. Sean, one [46:25] of the most prophetic people on the [46:27] planet, she says. Now, this isn't a [46:28] movement that prides itself in having [46:31] lots and lots of people who prophesy. [46:34] So, yes, I'm just saying this is a big [46:35] deal, but it's not even remotely the [46:36] only one. Who else endorsed Sean? [46:40] This video is going to be Shawn on the [46:43] Sid Roth show. Okay, I showed you an [46:44] article that they pulled. Well, they've [46:46] pulled the show as well now, too. [46:47] Sidroth doesn't want he doesn't want any [46:49] connection to Shawn anymore because [46:50] Shawn is now Lepris, right? If if people [46:53] know how much you endorsed him, then you [46:55] know, maybe it'll make you look bad. [46:57] Well, it will. And you did and you do [46:58] look bad. Sid Roth, there's not a weird [47:00] wacko that he has not endorsed on his on [47:03] his uh show. Every charismatic should [47:06] agree with me on this. Everyone should. [47:09] >> Sid Roth says that Shawn Bols is the [47:11] most amazingly detailed prophet he has [47:13] ever known. He has ministered to [47:14] thousands from royalty to people on the [47:16] streets. Now he wants to share with you [47:18] the secrets he has learned concerning [47:19] the gift of prophecy and wants to [47:21] activate you to do the same as he does. [47:23] >> It's wonderful that Shawn hears from God [47:26] so clearly. I am excited that Shawn has [47:30] this gift. I impart every supernatural [47:33] spiritual gift I have that's [47:34] transferable right now over the [47:36] television to everybody in the studio [47:37] audience. [47:38] >> I reject it. Everything you have that's [47:41] transferable, Sean, is looking people's [47:43] information up on Facebook and lying to [47:45] them in God's name. That's transferable. [47:47] That's easily transferable. Anybody [47:48] could do that. It's very simple. Most [47:50] people just have integrity and wouldn't [47:51] do it. [47:53] Sid Roth endorsed him. Sid Roth sold his [47:55] stuff. Sid Roth always sells people's [47:57] stuff. It's always a salesunnel every [47:58] show he has. And [48:02] Shawn is endorsed. Now imagine you're [48:04] you believe in Sidroth. You trust this [48:06] man's discernment. You think he's [48:07] opening your eyes to see amazing things [48:09] God is doing. And then imagine him [48:12] saying nothing when he finds out who [48:14] Shambles really is. Well, that's what [48:16] happened. Marilyn Hickey, those who know [48:18] the Hickeys know that they go back quite [48:20] a ways and they've been pretty [48:21] significant and influential uh more than [48:23] the average bear inside the charismatic [48:25] movement. Even though now she's getting, [48:27] you know, she's pretty up in up in age. [48:29] But Sean goes on their show. [48:30] >> We have an amazing guest with us um [48:33] today. [48:33] >> We do. We have Shawn Boltz. And I tell [48:37] you, we really look forward to this [48:40] guest. We are so thrilled. Oh my [48:42] goodness. To have Sean Boltz with us [48:44] today. [48:44] >> Dude, you are the bomb.com. Holy cow. [48:48] >> And I love this book, Translating God by [48:51] Shawn Bolts. [48:52] >> Are you ready to be activated? For your [48:55] gift of $29 or more, we will send you [48:57] Translating God: Hearing God's Voice for [49:00] Yourself and the World Around You by [49:02] internationally known prophet Shawn BS. [49:05] >> We'll read some stuff out of that book [49:07] later on. So, he gets endorsed by the [49:09] Hickeys as well. Um, there's there's [49:11] other people, too. You you might be [49:12] surprised to know he was featured on 700 [49:15] Club. [49:16] >> Welcome to the 700 Club. [49:18] >> Author and pastor Shawn BS is also a [49:21] podcast and TV host. Another topic near [49:23] to Shawn's heart. these days is hearing [49:25] God's voice in the marketplace. [49:27] >> So, what's Shawn's secret to hearing [49:29] God's voice? Take a look. Well, Sean [49:31] joins us now via Skype. Hi, Sean. [49:33] Welcome to the 700 Club. [49:35] >> I am so glad to be here. Thanks for [49:36] inviting me. [49:37] >> He was very glad to be there. Everyone's [49:40] learn Everyone's believing that I'm I'm [49:42] the guy. I'm the guy, man. And he made [49:44] lots of money off this uh three [49:47] something million dollar home that [49:49] actually I have evidence. I I won't put [49:52] it on screen here. Uh, I'm worried about [49:54] doxing stuff, but I have evidence of [49:55] Shawn having many several homes. [49:58] Anyways, he was also featured on Fox [50:01] News, believe it or not. He was on CBN, [50:04] believe it or not. So, let's look at the [50:05] CBN one. [50:07] >> He's a modern-day prophet that can tell [50:09] you your name, what street you live on, [50:12] all without you saying a word. We sit [50:14] down with Shawn BS to learn what he has [50:16] to say about President Trump and Kanye [50:19] West. Well, Shawn Bulls is a pioneer in [50:21] ministry, including the prophetic [50:23] movement as a pastor, author, producer, [50:25] and TV host with a prophetic gift. And [50:28] Sean, welcome back to the prayer link. [50:29] >> Hello, ladies. I'm so glad to be here. [50:31] It's such a privilege. [50:32] >> You know, with the locusts in Africa, [50:34] the Corona virus in China, wildfires in [50:36] Australia, and the current political [50:38] climate here in the US. Are these signs [50:40] of the end times? What has God spoken to [50:42] you about all of that that's going on [50:44] right now? [50:44] >> I think things are accelerating. [50:46] All of this attention he got even [50:48] brought him onto Fox News and the it [50:50] says Christian prophet Shambles Lord [50:52] showed me the end of Corona virus. A [50:54] word that a prophetic word he gave that [50:55] ended up being false. This is what a lot [50:57] of these guys do is I believe prophetic [50:59] speculation. They read news reports. [51:01] They try to get insiders. They figure [51:03] out what they think is going to happen [51:05] in the culture or with politics and then [51:06] they present it like a prophetic word. [51:08] Um it didn't work out so good this time. [51:10] He later was embarrassed about this and [51:12] we'll talk more about that. But yeah, [51:14] even Fox News is carrying this guy. [51:18] Wow. This is the rise of Shawn BS, [51:20] right? This is the part of the Star Wars [51:23] uh which whichever episode it was where [51:26] where the uh where Darth Cidius is is [51:30] taking control of the Senate, right? [51:31] That's that's what's happening right [51:33] here. He is taking control of the [51:35] Senate. He is engaging in becoming a [51:39] fixture of this is the guy. And so [51:42] they're like, "Tell us about Trump, [51:43] Sean. Tell us about Kanye. Tell us about [51:45] this and this and this and this." And [51:47] it's because of the endorsements of all [51:49] of these people that Shawn was able to [51:51] get such a foothold. So that so many [51:53] people believed him and just followed [51:55] his words even when it messed up their [51:57] lives. Some who I have witnesses and [51:59] I'll share. Others nobody even knows [52:02] their stories. Okay? They're finding out [52:03] for the first time as they watch this [52:05] video cuz it's still coming out. It's [52:06] still just coming out for a lot of [52:08] people because the leaders in the [52:09] charismatic movement won't call it out. [52:10] We appealed in my video with Elijah [52:12] Stevens. It was actually Elijah who was [52:14] close in and connected and part of Bethl [52:17] Church who appealed to the leaders. [52:18] Please verify if these things are true [52:20] about Shawn. Please call him out. Please [52:23] Chon, call him out. Please, those who [52:25] know about him, call him out. To my [52:27] knowledge, none of them have. Shawn has [52:30] to be kicked out of he has to be [52:32] excommunicated out of the body. That's [52:34] what has to happen. And that has to be a [52:35] public thing because he was so publicly [52:37] put up as a prophet. That's the only [52:39] righteous thing that can be done with [52:41] him right now. And let me remind you now [52:45] that Sean himself acknowledges that Bill [52:48] Johnson opened doors for him and other [52:50] charismatic leaders platformed him. I'm [52:52] not saying I didn't have incredible [52:53] people pour into me. I'm so grateful for [52:55] Bill and Benny Johnson and what they've [52:57] opened up for us in our life and Heidi [52:59] and Roland Baker. [53:00] There's people who recognize some things [53:02] in our lives and they helped Sher and I [53:04] over the years and even Paul and Denise [53:06] invited me year after year for over, you [53:07] know, 13 years. So, he understands that [53:11] these people were needed and they [53:13] propped him up and they opened doors for [53:14] him and they had him speak year after [53:16] year after year. And so, I'm just trying [53:18] to show you guys there was a [53:19] responsibility. There was a [53:20] responsibility to tell people. Now, let [53:21] me show you what happens when you don't [53:23] tell people. This is a very sad uh [53:26] unfortunate thing that I'm about to [53:28] share with you. But this is what [53:29] happened to one young lady who as far as [53:32] I know lost her faith and it was very [53:34] much connected to Shawn BS and not only [53:37] his fakery but the cover up of his [53:39] fakery by leaders who knew better. I [53:42] just type in Sean B's allegations and [53:46] all of this information starts coming up [53:49] of all these people that are proving [53:52] that he got he mined all of his [53:54] information from social media and [53:57] >> he would know who's who who would be in [53:59] the crowd when he [54:00] >> because you register for conferences. [54:02] >> They're paid conferences. You register. [54:04] Oh, so he would get the list of [54:07] attendees, mine information, and then [54:10] cold act like he was cold revealing [54:13] information. [54:13] >> Yeah. And it's like very much like a [54:15] cold like that. It's like tales time, [54:18] swindler's tricks, but like again, I [54:21] believe and I feel so dumb now, but I'm [54:23] like I was primed for that. There's no [54:26] way I could have not thought that that [54:27] was real. [54:29] >> I want you to remember that she said [54:30] that forever. I was primed for that. It [54:33] wasn't Shawn Bulls that primed her for [54:34] that. It was her overall charismatic [54:36] community that killed the gift of [54:38] discernment and really wanted to seek [54:41] revival to the point where they would [54:42] tolerate stuff that wasn't real. It [54:44] wasn't real. The toleration of the fake [54:48] is the undermining of the real. But the [54:50] charismatic church has grown to think of [54:52] it as hamburger helper. That it actually [54:54] assists us to tolerate a significant [54:56] amount of fakery. But actually what it [54:58] does is it creates shambles and it [55:00] creates situations like this young lady [55:01] right here who unfortunately I think [55:04] ended up leaving the faith or turning [55:06] from Christ. Um and I hope and pray that [55:09] that that that's only part of her story [55:10] in the long run. But you you can [55:12] understand where she comes from cuz if [55:14] that's what her experience that was [55:16] pretty crazy to to realize this. [55:18] >> I've seen a lot of fake but I've seen a [55:19] lot of real. The real's worth it. I will [55:22] allow the fake. I don't want the fake on [55:24] the platform because I I don't want to [55:25] promote the fake, but I'll allow the [55:26] fake in the room because I so believe in [55:28] the genuine. I've had people say that [55:29] over the years, you know, they said, you [55:30] know, you know, I've had students, you [55:32] know, some of this seems fake. I go, it [55:34] is. They go, what? I go, most of it's [55:37] fake. Go, what do you mean? I said, I've [55:39] been watching this 40 years. Most places [55:41] that I've been, the majority of the [55:42] manifestations are not caused by the [55:43] Holy Spirit. They go, really? But I [55:45] said, but the problem is it's not all [55:47] fake and the genuine is in our midst. [55:49] and I will allow a whole lot of [55:51] Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine [55:53] take place. I said, "I won't promote it, [55:54] but I will allow it because the genuine [55:57] is so important to the kingdom of God." [55:59] But that always throws off people if [56:00] they're young and new at this. They go, [56:01] "It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go, "Just, [56:03] you know, don't be so open-minded your [56:04] brains fall out. You can understand that [56:07] the real and the genuine and the fake [56:09] all exist together in one setting." And [56:10] it's that way everywhere. There's [56:12] nothing unique here. It's not any [56:13] different here than anywhere. It's that [56:14] way everywhere. I've I've been in [56:16] revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings [56:17] in many countries. It's the same. People [56:19] are people, folk are folk, no matter [56:21] who, no matter what, no matter where. [56:23] >> Now, when she talks about her dad, it's [56:26] even more revealing about what leaders [56:28] have to do with guys like Sean. [56:30] >> And so, this is the first time I'm [56:33] scared to death. I'm shaken cuz it's [56:35] like, you know, you know, do not mock [56:37] God's anointed or whatever, you know. [56:39] >> Yeah. They're they're also trained that [56:41] you you you don't ever look into even [56:45] research something negative about a [56:46] church leader or something like that. [56:48] Now, there's yes, the online is a world [56:50] of gossip and slander and personal [56:52] attacks that are not deserved. That's [56:54] true, but frauds are real. Abusers do do [56:57] exist and you can't have a rule that you [56:59] have these untouchable elites that have [57:01] no accountability. [57:03] >> Oh my gosh. I find it and I um got done [57:07] with that. I called my dad and I said, [57:08] "Hey, um, [57:11] did you hear about Shawn BS?" [57:14] And he said, "What did you hear?" [57:19] >> And so, for reference, this word that he [57:22] gave us caused a lot of division in our [57:24] family for years. It was a really um [57:29] caused some pro like big problems like [57:32] it was not good. Um, and we had held on [57:35] to it for a long time. How many families [57:38] can say that about Shawn BS? [57:40] He doesn't care about those people. In [57:42] reality, his through his actions, he [57:44] hates them. He hates the ones he's [57:46] smiling at that he's going, "Wow, oh, [57:48] God loves you. God sees you." He [57:50] despises them. That's what his actions [57:52] are saying is the actions of someone who [57:54] hates people. How many families like [57:56] hers? [57:58] And Sean is not the only one. [58:00] >> And so I said, "Did you hear that he is [58:05] a fraud?" and got all of his prophetic [58:08] words from social media. [58:12] And my dad just, [58:14] "Yep." [58:16] >> And I'm like, "Dad, [58:20] why [58:20] >> you knew? [58:21] >> Why didn't you tell me?" Like, "How?" I [58:24] said, "How long have you known?" And he [58:26] said, "Well, about two years." [58:31] And I'm like, "Dad, [58:34] like I said, why didn't you tell me [58:36] that?" And he said, "Well, [58:38] >> I just didn't think it would help you at [58:40] that time." [58:41] >> Which like at the time, like I wasn't [58:42] even like two years ago, like I wasn't [58:44] even really like struggling that I was [58:46] just like, "What?" [58:48] I believe that in the charismatic church [58:50] amongst these leaders, among guys like [58:51] Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, uh Rick [58:53] Joiner, uh Michael Koulianos, um I could [58:57] name other names. Um I believe that [59:00] amongst these leaders, Patricia King, [59:02] they know Sid Roth, um the Crouches, I [59:08] think that they know about all kinds of [59:10] guys who are fake. All kinds. If in fact [59:12] it isn't true of them as well. And I [59:16] think that their congregations would [59:17] make the same face this young lady is [59:18] making here and go, "You knew. You knew. [59:22] You knew." And if if everything came [59:24] out, it would be devastating. Which is [59:25] why the coverup culture so strong [59:27] because anybody who becomes an example, [59:29] it made an, you know, distance yourself [59:31] from him. Sure. But when you make an [59:32] example of the guy, when you call him [59:34] out publicly, you you make yourself [59:36] vulnerable and everybody else in the [59:37] movement vulnerable as far as not [59:39] everybody, but all the leaders who have [59:41] been faking for years because some of [59:42] their heroes are fakers. Paul Kane was a [59:44] faker. Bob Jones was a figure. Mike [59:46] Bickle was a figure. William Brandon was [59:47] a faker. And you go through and you [59:49] realize, oh my gosh, like were any of [59:52] these real? There's a book called God's [59:54] Generals that Bill Johnson has has [59:55] supported and recommended to people. And [59:58] it's it's full. I'm not I'm not saying [60:00] every name on the list, but there's a [60:01] bunch of names on the list of God's [60:02] generals who were just frauds, fakers, [60:05] bad guys. [60:07] It's systematic in the movement right [60:09] now. Now, not every charismatic is like [60:12] this. I want to make this very clear. [60:13] There are a lot of good, godly, [60:15] wonderful charismatics who operate in [60:16] the gifts of the spirit and who do [60:18] wonderful things. I'm trying to expose [60:21] the bad here for the sake of the good. [60:23] That's what we're trying to do. That is [60:25] is not as though whoever watching this, [60:27] you should just leave your charismatic [60:28] church. No, no, I'm not. I'm not [60:30] suggesting that. But you need to pull [60:32] the covers off and assess and say, "What [60:34] is going on here? Let's have purity. [60:36] Let's have integrity." [60:38] So, that girl seems she lost her faith. [60:40] Now, I'm going to give you an example of [60:41] one of the one of the best examples of [60:42] Sean making it up. Like, it's it's the [60:44] best example because it's like clear. It [60:46] seems pretty clear that he made this up [60:48] and you'll understand. Um, I'll walk you [60:51] through it. [60:58] Is there I saw a friend of mine, her [61:00] name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on [61:02] a road. Does that mean something like [61:03] it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that [61:05] you, Kelly Rhodess? God knew you'd be [61:08] here. I didn't, but God did. That's [61:11] awesome. Hi, Kelly Rhodess. I feel like, [61:13] Kelly, you're like one of those people, [61:14] those hidden figures. There's something [61:16] so special about you, but you've been [61:17] hidden in it. You're about to be [61:19] revealed. Like, I feel like your dues [61:20] about to be paid for how you've [61:22] supported and helped so many people and [61:23] how you've been a good daughter to [61:26] Doris. So, he's he's really going to [61:28] focus on the mom. He knows more [61:30] information about the mom than he does [61:31] about Kelly. So, he knows her name. He [61:34] knows her birthday. Um, this [61:38] I feel bad for the lady here. I consider [61:40] her my sister in Christ being [61:42] manipulated by this guy. It's [61:45] infuriating. Uh, I admit I as I see [61:48] this, as I watch it, I'm I'm angry at [61:51] Shawn BS personally. Um, very angry at [61:54] him. I'm trying to not sin in my anger. [61:55] I think the anger is appropriate, [61:58] but I'm angry also at those around him. [62:00] Again, this is at the More Love, More [62:01] Power event in 2017. Sean had already [62:03] been exposed. Um, at least the chance to [62:06] expose him was there because uh Jason [62:08] Smemedley had tried to blow the whistle [62:10] and instead he was attacked by Paul [62:11] Kaine, the fake prophet pervert who was [62:15] predatory towards young people uh young [62:17] men uh who Mike Mickle delivered to him. [62:19] It's the craziest stuff in the world [62:21] these things. And he was he still had a [62:24] place to even attack like in the [62:25] movement. He still had some kind of [62:26] influence to even be able to attack [62:27] somebody is crazy. [62:30] I blame the leaders, the current leaders [62:32] in the charismatic church for the last [62:34] few generations, the ones in particular [62:36] that I'm naming. Not all of them. [62:38] Absolutely not all of them. But I'll [62:40] tell you what, if there's good leaders [62:41] there, show yourselves to be good by [62:43] calling out the ones that you know. You [62:45] need to now listen in to the most [62:47] revealing moment probably of all of the [62:50] Shawn Bull's videos that I can show you [62:52] has to do with Doris Rhodess [62:55] and uh and how how she's like your best [62:59] friend and and and uh I feel like God [63:02] just saying that um everything that she [63:04] prayed for and is prayed for is is gonna [63:07] still come for the family. And I feel [63:09] like the Lord's saying you're going to [63:10] start to see the manifestation of what [63:12] you prayed for. you're going to start to [63:14] see the reality. [63:16] I wrote down January 27th. [63:20] That's her birthday. Um, is there is [63:23] there I saw Psalm 105 over your family [63:26] and read that later on. But did she or [63:29] you ever live on a 105 like slaughter [63:31] house or 105 something or does that make [63:33] sense? [63:34] >> For some reason, I saw the word [63:35] slaughterhouse, but it wasn't bad. Um, [63:40] I know it's a weird It's a weird I took [63:42] the risk cuz [63:44] >> he just tried to call out her address. [63:46] He got it wrong and now he's trying to [63:48] recover. [63:49] >> Everything else felt like it was, you [63:51] know, connected to God. But I just just, [63:54] you know, maybe maybe research that a [63:55] little bit if it's if if I miss that [63:57] part, it's not a big deal. [64:00] >> I just want to remind you guys it was [64:01] Sean Bulls's idea for us to research [64:03] that a little bit. And research it we [64:06] did. Actually, it was Matthew Hartkey [64:07] who researched this and uh I don't know [64:10] if anybody before him did or not. He's [64:11] the first I know of who researched this [64:13] and posted it online and he showed that [64:15] there is actually a Doris Rhodess who [64:18] lives on 105 Slaughterhouse who lives in [64:21] the same area as the other Doris Rose. [64:24] They're in the same area as this this [64:25] event and everything. Um or or where her [64:28] Facebook says she lives, excuse me. It's [64:30] just a different Doris Rose. There's [64:32] just more than one Tortois Rose in the [64:34] region who is similar and you know older [64:36] and all this kind of stuff. 105 [64:38] Slaughterhouse. [64:40] That to me is an incredible smoking gun. [64:42] There is no way on earth that this guy [64:45] randomly got from the Lord a real [64:47] address of a real Doris Rhodess that was [64:50] the wrong Doris Rhodess. [64:58] This was just I This is I Googled this. [65:00] Okay, I googled this as well. This is a [65:02] screenshot I took. It's not just [65:03] something that was passed around because [65:04] I want to double check. I want to make [65:05] sure I share things that are accurate [65:06] and true. And if there's anything I get [65:08] wrong, I'm happy to publicly say, "I'm [65:11] so sorry I got this wrong and correct [65:12] it. Um I'm I only want to share the [65:14] things that I believe are true." And I'm [65:16] taking some risks to do this, right? [65:18] I've had to talk to lawyers and things [65:19] like that, but I'm like, "Guys, I'm [65:20] going to call this stuff out." And [65:21] there's no way to do it without risk to [65:23] myself. Um but uh but there is no way [65:28] for leaders to stand up and defend those [65:30] who are being targeted by bad guys [65:32] without taking some risks for yourself. [65:34] So we all need to to step into that [65:36] stuff. Anyway, [65:39] Charlotte Gore is the next one we're [65:40] going to talk about. Charlotte Gore. Um [65:42] okay, there there's a guy named Chris [65:43] Gore. He's really significant in Bethl [65:45] or was for many years. I don't know what [65:46] he's doing at the moment, but he was at [65:48] Bethl reading from 2006 for many many [65:51] years until at least recently. Maybe [65:52] he's still there. I don't know. He was [65:54] the director of their healing ministries [65:55] at Bethl. And his daughter was a very [65:58] well-known, very disabled young lady, [66:00] very well-loved and cared for. And Shawn [66:03] decided to take her and use her as an [66:05] example in one of his shtick grifting [66:09] fake prophecy things because everybody [66:12] is a tool to this man, it seems. [66:16] >> Is there a um a Charlotte? [66:19] >> Hold on. I wanna I want to show you the [66:20] beginning of that video again. Bethl TV [66:21] moments. This was hosted on Bethl's uh [66:26] Bethl's uh Facebook and YouTube and [66:29] wherever their Bethl.tv stuff is hosted [66:30] at. This is one of their videos and it [66:32] was still present. It was still live [66:35] until I started asking about it [66:37] privately. I reached out to Chris Gore [66:38] and asked him and all of a sudden now [66:40] the video has disappeared. [66:42] >> Is there a um a Charlotte with October [66:45] 7th birthday? Does that make sense to [66:46] anybody? [66:47] >> Charlotte Gore just had a birthday. [66:49] >> Who would Charlotte Gore be? I don't [66:50] know. Okay, Chris Gore's daughter. Okay, [66:53] and Chris isn't here. Chris Gore, where [66:55] is the camera that I'm looking? [66:56] >> I want to show you a different angle [66:58] where my face is not blocking because I [67:00] want you to see that there's there's [67:01] Bill Johnson, there's Benny Johnson, [67:03] there's Danny Silk, probably other [67:04] leaders here as well. Um, all all there [67:07] in the room. Um, [67:11] this is this is of course at Bethl [67:14] and he's going to now [67:17] abuse the entire church. looking at. Hi [67:20] streaming audience, we love you. This is [67:22] a word for you. And Charlotte Gore, um, [67:24] I saw the Lord giving you a hope for [67:26] fullness and your life matters to God in [67:29] a major way. So there's a healing power [67:31] of his love for significance and then it [67:34] will follow with a full healing. The [67:35] Lord wants to bring a full healing [67:38] and your parents' prayers are working. [67:40] What What am I saying? You guys are [67:42] excited. [67:43] I don't know what y'all are. [67:47] He's clearly prophesying that she's [67:49] going to be fully healed, which would be [67:51] obviously the heart's desire of any [67:53] parent or of her for that matter. I'll [67:56] show you. She she's she's very very [67:57] disabled. I'll show you later. I don't [67:59] want to show her face. I I I don't want [68:01] to increase any of the negative stuff, [68:03] but we have to give the the examples. [68:05] These are the public examples. I was [68:06] able to find this. I was able to go [68:08] through scrubbing through his videos, [68:09] scrubbing through the videos Bethl has [68:10] put up of of him and going, "Where is he [68:13] prophesied? Can I confirm that I found [68:14] this online?" Um, and I found examples [68:17] of my own as well. So, this is one of [68:19] those. Um, I think I'm the I think I'm [68:21] the first to brought this one up. He's [68:23] doing this to Bethl leadership. Now, he [68:24] pretends he doesn't know Chris. You You [68:26] He's like, "Chris Gore, who's Oh, yeah. [68:28] Oh, yeah. I kind of am aware of him." He [68:30] knows who Chris is. He's been part of [68:31] Bethl for years at this point. He calls [68:33] it his mother church. He's He's close [68:36] with Bill Johnson. He's Come on, he [68:40] knows. But he has to pretend ignorance [68:41] to magnify his glory. [68:43] >> I'm really excited. So, tell me in [68:46] Oh, she's in a wheelchair. It's a very [68:47] disabled. God sees those prayers are [68:49] working and I know nothing about this [68:51] family. This is crazy. You know, I have [68:54] a real prayer in my heart just to be a [68:55] blessing to Bethl uh the church itself. [68:57] I feel like God wants to resolve some of [68:59] the long-term issues in Bethl. And now [69:02] listen, you've got to understand the the [69:03] the background of this. Bethl, I'm going [69:05] to play what he's going to say in a [69:06] second, but Bethl has for years been [69:09] been uh presenting a narrative that they [69:11] are on a trajectory of ever upward and [69:15] higher and better with miracles, with [69:18] healings, with financial prosperity, and [69:20] with prophecy and all of those things [69:22] are increasing over the years. Now, [69:24] they're not really increasing over the [69:25] years, but that's the narrative. They're [69:27] always increasing. They're always And [69:29] then Seawn shows up and he he's there [69:31] and he's like the guy with these extra [69:32] prophecies that nobody gets. So it's so [69:35] it's like he's the sort of the doorway [69:37] into that. That's the idea in the [69:38] movement. That's the idea. Um so this is [69:40] why I say revival culture can be [69:42] dangerous because it leaves you [69:43] vulnerable to the fakers because nobody [69:45] can have as many miracles as the guy [69:46] that's faking. [69:49] So he's going to now take this thing he [69:51] says about Charlotte Gore. You've been [69:52] praying for her to be healed for a long [69:53] long time. Well, now that healing, the [69:54] full healing is coming. And now he's [69:56] turning that that claim into a prophecy [69:58] about Bethl as a whole. you guys are [70:00] going to be entering into the realm that [70:01] you've been, you know, heading towards [70:03] and praying for and talking about where [70:05] you're going to get all the healings and [70:06] miracles and all this. [70:08] >> You know, I have a real prayer in my [70:09] heart just to be a blessing to Bethl, [70:11] uh, the church itself. I feel like God [70:12] wants to resolve some of the long-term [70:14] issues in Bethl. And I feel like this is [70:15] a picture of it like where he wants to [70:17] come in and resolve things that have [70:18] been prayed for to give a foundation of [70:20] faith. The things we're praying for [70:21] consistently that are always amongst us [70:23] that seem like they never get resolved [70:25] that God's going to start doing [70:26] something with those things. one. I feel [70:28] like prophet over Charlotte is an [70:30] example. I don't know the gores at all. [70:31] I don't think I don't know if I've ever [70:32] even talked to Chris Gorks over once. [70:33] So, I don't know anything about his [70:34] family, but I see three girls. And I [70:37] feel like this is a picture of the Lord [70:38] speaking into something because he's [70:40] going to start pulling in uh into the [70:42] full glory the things that have been the [70:44] most undone that are historic. [70:46] >> Pulling into full glory is a specific [70:48] phrase that has meaning uh in that group [70:51] >> undone. And I feel like this is one of [70:52] the pictures. So, we bless the situation [70:54] and ones like it to get resolved in this [70:56] season. in God. Wow. In Jesus name. Wow. [70:59] That's so good. Wow. There was some [71:01] holiness on that. Wow. [71:03] >> Chris needs to pat himself on the back [71:05] at the end of it. So, like I said, I [71:06] reached out to Chris Gore. Um I was [71:08] like, "Hey, can I talk to you about [71:09] this? I believe that he abused you and [71:11] your daughter and your family." And um I [71:13] I I guess I didn't grab the clip, but he [71:15] he also in the same clip, he mentions [71:16] their dog, Maverick. And the crowd goes [71:18] like they're shocked cuz they have a dog [71:20] named Maverick. And he's like, "Oh, wow. [71:21] Maverick. Yeah, okay. She has like a [71:23] Maverick little dog." And that was also [71:26] available online. So, let me show you [71:28] that this stuff was available online. [71:30] This is from uh Chris's website, [71:32] kingdomreleasers.org, or it was I had to [71:34] use the wayback machine to find this. [71:35] Uh, but in 2014, this was present, which [71:39] means that it would have been accessible [71:41] easily by uh by anybody who knew Chris's [71:45] name. You could find his site. It says [71:46] Chris graduated BSSM and is now working [71:48] at Bethl in a pastoral overseer role as [71:50] the director of healing ministries, [71:51] which he did, it seems, for many years. [71:54] on his Facebook page, which we have good [71:57] reason to think Shawn really likes [71:58] checking Facebook. It's not the only [71:59] thing he checks. Um Chris Gore had a [72:02] photo of his family with his three [72:05] daughters, his disabled daughter, and [72:08] their dog. And in the photo, it says, [72:10] "Our new member to our family has [72:12] arrived. Our dog Maverick." [72:14] Then he tags three other family members, [72:17] it seems, in this. This is something I [72:19] learned about Sean. Um, I scrubbed [72:20] through people's Facebook pages trying [72:22] to figure out like, was Shawn reading? [72:24] Let me go back to the date of this [72:25] event, look at their page, what was [72:27] being posted recently, and it looks to [72:29] me as though Shawn frequently wouldn't [72:32] read necessarily people's posts, like [72:34] weeks or months long posts, but rather [72:37] he would just click on photos and he [72:39] would scroll through their photos to [72:41] look for connections, individuals, and [72:42] events like a birthday, a funeral, the [72:45] the birth of a child, the death of a [72:47] child, and he would use those things in [72:48] his prophecy. So here the dog, the [72:51] child, everything is right there present [72:53] and it connects perfectly with what Sean [72:56] said. It was all publicly available. [72:58] Also, Chris Gore posted this word on his [73:01] page. Um, he was very excited by this [73:04] and he says, "I want to post an amazing [73:06] prophetic word where our daughter [73:08] Charlotte was called out by name and [73:10] birth date at the Open Heavens [73:12] Conference at Bethl. I really believe [73:14] this word is for more than just [73:16] Charlotte." Now he's echoing exactly [73:18] what Sean said, right? More than just [73:20] Charlotte. Um, but for the greater body [73:23] that have stood in faith for healing, [73:25] for long-term issues. I trust that you [73:27] are encouraged as you listen and receive [73:28] this word. And this connects well with [73:30] Bethl. Bethl has been saying, "We're [73:31] going to be the place where nobody [73:32] dies." Yes, they say that we're going to [73:34] be the place where nobody dies. They [73:35] joke no one's allowed to die. It was [73:36] actually Benny Johnson who joked that a [73:38] few years before she sadly passed from [73:40] cancer. Um, [73:43] so this connects very well with them. He [73:45] knows his target audience well. I think [73:48] as much as I have criticism for Bethl [73:50] leadership and I do think Chris, you [73:51] should have you should have blown the [73:52] whistle when you know you have enough [73:53] influence people would listen to you. [73:55] People who wouldn't listen to me in your [73:56] circle would listen to you. But you're [73:59] also a victim and my heart breaks for [74:00] you and for your daughter and your [74:02] family. And I'm so sorry that for who [74:05] however long after that you guys would [74:06] be going to church and people are asking [74:07] about her, checking in on her, praying [74:09] over her again and again and again and [74:11] again and again. And I if I was your [74:13] daughter, I'd be like that. I don't even [74:14] want to go to church. I I don't want to [74:17] be in an environment where everybody's [74:18] focused on me because of this fake [74:20] prophecy and everybody keeps hounding me [74:23] and harassing me. Ultimately, I wouldn't [74:25] even want to be there. I'd be like, "Can [74:27] we go somewhere else?" Um, [74:29] I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm [74:31] sorry that happened to her. [74:34] This is Charlotte Gore in 2024. [74:38] One of the more recent pictures I could [74:39] show you guys. Um, she's clearly still [74:42] disabled for those who are like, "But [74:43] maybe she did get healed." Dude, it's [74:45] been years and years. The original video [74:47] where the prophecy was there, the video, [74:49] not the event. The video was posted [74:51] October 15th, 2015. 2015. Um, this is [74:55] her 9 years later. [74:59] So, so Charlotte, that word wasn't from [75:02] the Lord. You didn't do anything wrong. [75:04] You didn't disappoint God. The people [75:06] praying for you didn't fail God in some [75:08] way. The man was just abusing others so [75:10] he could exalt himself and get glory and [75:12] money and and power. And it worked for a [75:15] good long while. And sadly, the [75:17] leadership in your own fellowship didn't [75:21] protect you from him. [75:25] And even when they found out, when they [75:26] definitely knew, they still didn't. Um, [75:29] so yeah, like I said, Bethl has pulled [75:31] that video. They didn't pull it when [75:32] Shawn was exposed publicly. They pulled [75:33] it when I asked privately about it. [75:36] That's the timeline as I understand it. [75:39] Let me talk now about usernames. Sean [75:41] likes to use usernames. [75:43] >> Never get usernames when I ask God for [75:45] new information I never get. Keep in [75:47] mind that he says he never gets [75:48] usernames. That's super important. Never [75:50] gets them. But imagine imagine if you [75:53] would. A prophet who doesn't know your [75:55] name, but he knows your Facebook [75:57] username. Terry Bishop 911. Terry [75:59] Bishop, you're working on the show and [76:00] we're getting you. [76:01] >> That is my uh username. Terry Bishop [76:03] 911. The Lord says you live in a [76:05] pleasant place. What does that mean to [76:06] you? [76:07] >> I live on Pleasant Hill. [76:08] >> Come on. [76:09] >> Come on. That's on Sid Roth show. Uh [76:12] again, this is that's a pretty [76:13] significant thing to get invited on Sid [76:14] Roth. That's a door opener for you. [76:16] Churches will be calling you. [76:17] Conferences will be asking for you after [76:19] you get on the Sid Roth show. Here's [76:20] another one. [76:21] >> And I felt like he said even like [76:22] someone named Bubba cuz I saw Bubba Gump [76:25] Shrimp Company. Who is that? Who is [76:27] Bubba? Like who's Bubba? [76:30] Is this your Bubba? [76:36] >> Is that your real Is that your [76:38] >> Okay, I I enhanced the audio so you can [76:39] hear the guy a bit. I also put the text [76:40] on the screen. He's going to go, "Is [76:41] that your real name, Bubba?" Cuz he [76:43] doesn't know what the guy's real name [76:44] is. He just knows all he could see. This [76:46] is what it looks like. All he could see [76:47] was the guy's username online. He wasn't [76:50] sure if it was real. So, he goes ahead [76:51] and brings it up himself. [76:53] >> Your nickname, your family nickname. [76:54] >> My nickname is my Facebook. [76:56] >> That's so cute. That's so cute. I think [77:00] He goes on and on about it being cute. I [77:02] didn't keep playing it. That's so cute. [77:06] Chills. Something creepy about that. [77:08] Anyway, here's another one. Think this [77:10] is a username or something cuz it's a [77:13] person's name. So, excuse me if it is a [77:15] person's name. I'm sorry. L R I C K. [77:19] Babsel Rick. [77:22] >> Hold on. We're about to hear from her. [77:24] Babsel Rick. Again, Sean doesn't know [77:26] how to pronounce the names because he's [77:28] not hearing them. He is probably just [77:30] reading them off of the internet and he [77:32] goes, "I want to use this person, right? [77:34] They tagged they they checked in at the [77:36] event, something like that." Um, but I [77:39] uh I I don't know how to pronounce their [77:41] name and they didn't put their full real [77:43] name online. So, what did she say? [77:47] >> Rick. [77:48] >> Actually, it's Deborah Ellic, but my [77:50] husband calls me Babs. So, I [77:51] >> Babs [77:53] >> together here and I'm trying to figure [77:54] this out. never get usernames, but I ask [77:56] >> Deborah Ellerich, but my husband calls [77:59] me Babs. [78:01] Babs Ellich. He didn't even know there [78:04] was that was two different names. He [78:06] thought Babsel Babsel Rick was the name. [78:08] So, another example of him getting [78:10] usernames, uh, which I think in and of [78:12] itself is suspicious. Now, we put all [78:15] the suspicious things together, it's [78:17] it's definitive. I mean, there's there's [78:18] no reasonable doubt, no reasonable doubt [78:20] that this guy faked it. And there's and [78:22] I have a lot more to share. So, what I [78:24] want to do now though is play a video. [78:26] This is from a friend of mine named [78:27] Steven Kosar. Now, Steve Kosar has been [78:31] criticizing uh some of the craziness [78:33] that's gone on in the charismatic church [78:35] in particular for quite a while. And he [78:37] has a bad name because of it cuz your [78:39] name will get slandered if you do this [78:40] stuff. And um he tried to raise the [78:43] alarm about u about Shambles a long time [78:47] ago. And I want to play a significant [78:49] portion of of the video from him so that [78:51] you guys can see exactly what he was [78:54] talking about. I think this is pretty [78:56] significant. This is an awesome [78:58] analysis. And Steve's going to walk us [79:00] through some specific specific examples. [79:02] He'll put up something Sean claims uh [79:04] into the audience and then he'll show [79:05] how the thing that was claimed was [79:07] available publicly on social media. And [79:10] when you have this happening over and [79:11] over and over again, and you combine it [79:13] with one other element, Sean has [79:15] detailed specific facts about your past [79:18] and present that are available publicly [79:20] on on social media. And then combine [79:23] that with another fact. Sean has vague [79:26] vague generalities and prophecies for [79:28] you about your future. He might tell you [79:30] what to do with confidence, but he won't [79:32] tell you what will happen with great [79:33] confidence. generally speaking. Um, [79:36] sometimes he does, but it's not the kind [79:38] of details that he has about the past [79:39] and present. When you combine specific [79:42] public info with vague futuristic [79:44] prophecies, that's a huge red flag. When [79:47] you do it over and over and over again, [79:49] it's obvious that the guy's a faker. [79:51] Let's learn about Dennis. Dennis, who [79:53] was targeted, manipulated, and abused by [79:56] Shambols after Bethl had already had [79:59] opportunity to find out and correct this [80:02] man. And I'm looking for a dentist who [80:04] you're either from the Ukraine or your [80:06] parents were. [80:07] >> I just want to point out there's Rodney [80:08] Howard Brown on stage behind him, Daniel [80:10] Kinda and Heidi Baker. [80:12] >> And you moved to America and I think to [80:15] Washington State or Washington DC [80:19] >> and and Todd White and others. You'll [80:20] see. [80:21] >> Help me out here. Is there Dennis? [80:23] >> Every single thing that Shawn says comes [80:26] directly from the social media accounts [80:28] of Dennis. This is just a big trick. [80:34] So here Steve is showing uh the social [80:36] media page where Dennis talks about the [80:38] very things that um that Sean is [80:40] prophesying. [80:42] >> And you moved to America and I think to [80:45] Washington state or Washington DC [80:47] there's a dentist who your parents were [80:50] from the Ukraine. You moved into [80:52] America. [80:52] >> So the Facebook here shows that this [80:54] info is available. [80:55] >> Okay, help me out here. Is there a [80:56] dentist? We've only done this in [80:58] stadiums this big a few times. It's a [81:00] little hard. [81:01] >> So, my story goes that um my family [81:04] comes from a Ukrainian background. So, [81:06] my mom when she was about 16 years old. [81:10] Anybody who's listening on podcast, uh [81:12] this is a video that Dennis had on his [81:14] website, his own testimony video. Now, [81:16] keep in mind for the Isusa event, people [81:18] were doing check-ins on Facebook. We'll [81:20] talk about I'm coming back to Facebook. [81:22] As soon as we're done with Dennis, we [81:23] will come back to Facebook and I'll [81:24] reveal the thing that is very relevant [81:26] there. came into the United States and [81:29] my dad around not too long after that [81:31] did as well. They didn't know each other [81:33] and they came and they they got married [81:35] in the United States and uh I was a [81:37] second son born into the family. We've [81:39] only done this in stadiums this big a [81:41] few times. It's a little hard. We have [81:43] somebody we thank God thank you Dennis [81:46] for listening to God and showing up. Is [81:49] there a screen I can see or I can't even [81:51] see a screen I guess. Here let me walk [81:53] way out here and almost fall off the [81:54] stage. This is good. Dennis, YOU'RE [81:56] HERE. [82:02] GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE him in [82:04] just a second. You'll see Dennis and um [82:06] he's there surrounded. Oh, I guess he's [82:08] on screen. There you go. Right there. [82:09] Right with his arms up, facing and [82:11] smiling, surrounded by people wearing [82:13] similar shirts. [82:14] >> I can see a little bit. Dennis, the [82:17] Lord, the Lord himself [82:20] has been walking with you since you were [82:22] a little boy. [82:23] >> We were raised in a um Islamic [82:25] Pentecostal background. So my whole life [82:28] um I heard about Jesus. We we went a [82:30] church. It was something that was always [82:32] natural. [82:32] >> Has been walking with you since you were [82:34] a little boy and you had a hard time [82:36] there in the middle because of some of [82:38] the things that happened. [82:39] >> And I moved with my my mom and my [82:41] siblings to the state of Washington. And [82:43] I was in 8th grade at this time, moved [82:45] partially throughout the middle of the [82:47] school year. And uh I went through a lot [82:49] of hazing. There was a lot of bullying [82:51] and rejection during that time of my [82:52] life. and and begin to um start getting [82:55] into fights and um started getting [82:58] experimenting with drugs and and smoking [83:00] and and all those sorts of things. And [83:03] not too far down the road at the age of [83:05] 15, I ended up getting arrested and uh [83:08] sitting [83:09] good amount of time in uh in a juvenile [83:12] system [83:12] >> and you had a hard time there in the [83:14] middle because of some of the things [83:15] that happened. [83:17] >> So again, this stuff is available on his [83:19] website. You can find Dennis because he [83:21] it seems checked into the Isusa now [83:23] event. He's uh using the hashtag like [83:26] Isusa now or 16 2016 or something like [83:29] that and it's all available there. I [83:32] it's not hard to think that before this [83:34] event Sean is sitting there in his hotel [83:36] room or wherever on his smartphone uh [83:39] taking some notes from the from the [83:41] things that he sees. Someone saying [83:43] can't wait for the next day at the ISUsa [83:45] now event. And then Sean's searching and [83:47] looking at and I'll show you in a [83:49] second. We'll get to the Facebook in a [83:51] second. So, it's not a coincidence. All [83:54] these things are too much to be a [83:56] coincidence. Okay. Sean's a faker. And [83:58] I'll have more witness testimony from [83:59] people who used to work with him, work [84:01] for him, and former employees and others [84:03] that will be adding to this to tell the [84:05] whole story. The whole story today. And [84:08] you had a hard time there in the middle [84:09] because of some of the things that [84:10] happened. And you had a hard time there [84:12] in the middle because of some of the [84:14] things that happened. and your family, [84:16] but it's going to give you the power [84:17] over divorce. [84:18] >> At about 13, my my parents start going [84:22] through a divorce [84:22] >> and broken families and adoption and [84:25] foster care. And the Lord is saying he's [84:28] raising you up that there's something [84:30] you're called to build of an awakening [84:33] movement, an awakening movement. [84:35] >> So on the screen just there, Steve Kosar [84:37] put the website that this guy's website [84:40] is awakening generation. And so Sean [84:42] weaves that into his prophecy. So the [84:44] guy's thinking like, "Wow, God really [84:45] sees me. He knows me. I'm on the right [84:47] track. He wants me to do this." This is [84:49] the moment where most likely Dennis is [84:50] thinking, "I know for sure what my [84:52] life's mission will be. Maybe I've [84:54] struggled. Maybe I've doubted it. Maybe [84:55] I've wondered if it would work. Now I [84:57] know for sure this is my life's mission. [84:59] I will do everything that Sean just said [85:01] I should do." [85:03] SOMETHING ON the East Coast. I THINK [85:05] YOU'RE ON THE WEST COAST, but you're [85:06] going to be on the East Coast. [85:09] Apparently, it's happening [85:11] >> right from Tacoma, Washington. lives in [85:14] Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, [85:16] >> the East Coast. And it [85:18] >> that that's what his Facebook says. [85:19] >> See, like um um Pennsylvania, [85:22] Pennsylvania. And God IS SAYING HE'S [85:24] AWAKENING SOMETHING IN PENNSYLVANIA AND [85:26] HE'S CALLING YOU TO LEAD a movement. A [85:30] movement. [85:32] Steve writes on the screen here, "This [85:34] poor guy's getting scammed." 100% true. [85:36] I feel bad for Dennis. Dennis, uh in [85:38] fact, it may be that you what you were [85:40] already doing is what the Lord would [85:41] have you do. that may well be um but if [85:45] you have been fundraising based upon [85:47] upon this word from shambles you have to [85:48] stop and that doesn't mean that your [85:51] ministry is invalid or that your calling [85:53] is can't be in place but you need to [85:55] disregard this and know that many many [85:57] many other people experienced the same [85:58] thing from Shawn learn from it grow from [86:01] it move on if you need counseling Dennis [86:03] reach out to my ministry we will no [86:04] strings attached we will pay for you to [86:06] get some counseling from some reliable [86:08] trustworthy people who help people [86:10] recover from spiritual abuse [86:17] MY DENNIS, THERE YOU ARE. [86:20] And Dennis, I'll tell you this. I have [86:21] to face you and face you two ways. I [86:23] don't know how to do this, but I'm [86:24] telling you, your your your heritage in [86:27] Eastern Europe. [86:28] >> My family comes from a Ukrainian [86:31] background. [86:31] >> God is going to send you not only to [86:33] America, but he's going to send you to [86:36] North America. He's going to send you to [86:37] South America, but he's going to [86:39] commission you. not just send you but [86:41] commission you over the Ukraine and [86:43] Eastern Europe and something's gonna [86:45] happen like you can't even dream. [86:46] >> So yeah, on the screen more information [86:48] from social media that confirms that [86:50] Sean could easily have just data mined [86:52] every single thing. [86:53] >> Dream up. [86:54] >> Something's going to happen like you [86:55] can't even dream up. Really? This is [86:58] supposed to be God talking. A God who [87:01] apparently can't even be specific. [87:03] >> He's putting you right now on the [87:04] highest lampstand that you could shine [87:06] from. And it's your time, brother. It's [87:08] your time. [87:11] just about a year. [87:12] >> Okay. Now, now he's going to get into a [87:14] couple other things that I thought would [87:15] be important to just throw in here. Um [87:18] Sean's uh more notable false prophecies [87:22] uh Corona virus and Trump. [87:24] >> After this send event where we just saw [87:26] him using his smartphone, he made this [87:29] ridiculous pronouncement from God that [87:30] the Corona virus was about to end. [87:32] Everything was going to be okay. Even [87:35] now, several vaccines are coming out. [87:37] This was in February of 2020. [87:40] He um made a big deal out of this. Fox [87:42] News who some or some gullible person at [87:45] Fox News actually ran with this story. [87:46] And here he is on the String Report [87:48] being interviewed by Steven Strang, the [87:50] publisher for uh Charisma. [87:54] >> Uh the String Report and Steven String [87:56] did damage control for Benny Hinn after [87:58] I exposed him. And um [88:02] it was uh [88:05] it was it was it was bad. It was bad. [88:07] Um, I actually did an interview with [88:09] Charisma and somebody inside, the guy [88:12] who interviewed me was fine, but there [88:14] was somebody else who was in his ear [88:16] trying to get him to lay a trap for me [88:18] by asking me a a loaded question about [88:19] Benny Hinn. Soon as I answered it, they [88:22] put articles out on multiple news [88:23] websites to try to attack my character. [88:25] This is just what really happened. Okay, [88:27] there's the coverup culture is a real [88:29] thing. Millions won't die. The economy [88:32] will surge. This was in March of 2020. [88:35] Also in 2020, he made the prediction [88:37] that Trump was going to win his second [88:39] term just like all the other false [88:40] prophets. Then he apologized for it and [88:42] said, "Uh, hey, you know, I'm just [88:44] learning. I'm taking [88:45] >> uh just for anybody who's like, well, I [88:46] think he did win in that initial 2020 [88:48] election actually." So that's not [88:52] relevant to the point we're making here. [88:53] So he said Trump would have two [88:55] consecutive terms that in in 2020 he [88:57] would be the president for the next four [88:59] years in office, right? And that didn't [89:01] happen. And so whether you thought the [89:03] election was stolen or not is not [89:04] relevant to this particular issue. He [89:06] said it would happen and it didn't. So [89:07] he was wrong um about a big prophecy. [89:10] There was so many of the guys that were [89:12] wrong about Trump that year that it was [89:14] it was like the Lord was exposing the [89:16] fake pro prophetic in the charismatic [89:18] movement. Sadly, it didn't seem to have [89:21] made that much of a difference yet. [89:23] >> Risks. I'm just trying this thing out. [89:25] That's not how prophets work in the [89:27] Bible. It was actually at the same event [89:28] that Shawn prophesied over Daniel Kinda. [89:31] Uh this is a video that's still up on [89:33] YouTube called Shawn BS prophesying over [89:35] Daniel Kinda at the sin 2019. Here [89:38] you've got uh Bill Johnson, Lou Angel, [89:40] you've got Todd White, you have Daniel [89:42] Kinda, you got Michael Koulanos, you [89:44] have a bunch of different people here on [89:45] stage. Um this is big. This is 2019 now. [89:48] They Bethl already had information 2015, [89:51] 2016, 2017. They still put them up and [89:54] did this. And the thing is for someone [89:56] like Daniel Kinda to have this moment [89:58] where BS calls him out and he's like, [89:59] "God's giving you a special upgrade to [90:01] your anointing and d and you don't want [90:04] this guy to be exposed potentially [90:06] because it makes it makes you look like [90:09] there's something not not right because [90:12] you're like getting anointings from [90:14] these guys." And so there can be this [90:15] sort of mutual dependency where these [90:18] guys give each other prophetic words and [90:20] then it's hard for them to expose one [90:21] another. [90:22] >> So where's Daniel? Janet Flynn, come up [90:24] here real fast, brother. But I will say [90:26] this. I felt like God I I kept seeing it [90:28] over and over and over, and I felt like [90:29] I was supposed to do it in front of [90:30] everybody because I feel like you [90:31] represent someone who's having a fresh [90:34] commissioning from God. Behold, I do a [90:36] new thing through you. And it's going to [90:38] involve properties all over the world [90:40] that will be disciplehip places. And I'm [90:43] telling you, the roots of what you've [90:45] inspired will now go deeply in the lands [90:47] because there's a property anointing [90:49] along with a ministry of evangelism and [90:51] crusades, a property anointing. Okay, so [90:54] now we come to 2013. Why 2013? Why is [90:58] that the time when his prophetic gift [91:00] took off when all of a sudden he's not [91:02] just normal prophetic grifting like Paul [91:04] Kaine would, he's next level prophetic [91:07] grifting like Shawn BS does. Um it's the [91:09] same time as Facebook introduced [91:12] remember social media is not that old [91:13] really. Facebook introduced a new [91:15] feature called graph search. It's get it [91:18] gets put in place the beta of it is [91:20] announced January 15th 2013 and now you [91:23] can search you can check hashtags and [91:26] you can search for people's names. You [91:28] can connect relationships. Before you [91:30] would go on Facebook and just sort of [91:31] hope it connected you to people you know [91:35] that were in your area or that you you [91:36] know also went to the same school as you [91:38] or something. He just would go and hope [91:39] it would make a connection. Now you can [91:41] search. That's what happened in 2013. [91:43] When he says to Sid Roth in the article, [91:46] he says on Sid Roth's program that it [91:48] was 2013 get he got his prophetic [91:50] upgrade. [91:52] That was just the year that Facebook [91:53] became searchable. That's all it was. It [91:56] was so obvious. That's why Steve Kosar [91:58] knew it. That's why Matthew Hartkey knew [92:00] it. In 2021, he posted on X a bunch of [92:03] evidence about this. And that that's why [92:05] even in 2017 you even had public [92:08] articles. Do you guys I this will this [92:09] will surprise you but here's a public [92:11] article that was available in 2017. [92:15] Let me put it on your screen. Shawn BS [92:19] exposing a fraudulent charismatic [92:21] prophet by Stuart James Felker May 17th [92:24] at 2017 last time it was updated. It [92:28] talks about the ISUsa street event the [92:29] big ISUsa street event. It goes through [92:32] the specific issues of how this is known [92:33] as hot reading and then there's cold [92:36] reading and what who ultimately Sean [92:38] did. They got videos of it. They talk [92:40] about it in detail. The stuff was all [92:42] there. The evidence was right there. Why [92:44] did nobody listen when this article came [92:46] out? I think the answer is easy because [92:48] it is the the people don't have the [92:51] power to hold leaders accountable in the [92:53] movement. It would only matter if a [92:55] fellow leader would hold him [92:56] accountable. That's the only time it [92:57] would matter. You can check out this [92:58] article if you want. I give you the name [92:59] of it. it would be easy to find. Again, [93:02] it was even earlier than that. April of [93:04] 2016, I've seen screenshots of Facebook [93:06] conversations people are having April of [93:08] 2016 about Shambles data mining people's [93:11] information off the internet. People had [93:12] the info. They just let it happen. [93:14] Anyways, the leaders didn't stop it. [93:16] There was one guy who tried to call it [93:18] out. His name is Jason Smmedley, and he [93:21] started recording back in 2015, [93:23] recording uh things that Shawn was [93:25] saying and then comparing them with [93:26] social media. He received a lot of [93:28] criticism from the people around him [93:30] until finally Paul Kaine of all people [93:32] reached out to Jason Smmeley and gave [93:34] him a hard time. Um I think I have a [93:36] clip. I guess I'll share that with you [93:37] guys a bit later. We'll talk about Jason [93:38] Smmedley more uh when the time comes. So [93:42] people knew they had the info. They [93:44] didn't they didn't do anything about it. [93:46] And I honestly don't think that that was [93:48] the first time it came up was 2015. I [93:50] don't think that's the first time people [93:51] realized something was wrong with Shawn [93:52] or the grift was going on. I honestly [93:55] believe that Bethl knows there's a whole [93:56] bunch of fake stuff going on and they're [93:58] just okay with it. There are reasons why [94:00] they think it's okay, it's acceptable, [94:01] it's it's serving some greater good or [94:04] it's serving some other not greater [94:06] benefit. I don't know what the reasons [94:08] are, but I I do think that they're aware [94:10] of this stuff. It was actually 2006 [94:13] when uh Bill said of according to a [94:16] witness of mine said that Shawn was his [94:18] spiritual son. His spiritual son. Now [94:20] later they'll claim they have no [94:21] authority over Shawn, but Shawn was [94:24] going around according to a former [94:25] employee saying that Bethl was quote his [94:27] mother church, [94:29] his mother church. Now when time came to [94:31] hold him accountable, you'll see the [94:33] text messages later. Chris Valatin goes, [94:35] "Well, we have no authority over him, so [94:37] you know, oh well." And then Shayon's [94:39] like, "Ah, I don't really have authority [94:40] over him." Patricia King's like, "I [94:41] don't really have authority over him." [94:42] And every nobody's around to help when [94:45] the time comes. But all this to say, [94:47] Bill Johnson for sure was aware of the [94:50] prophecy issues and the sexual [94:52] harassment issues in 2023 when he made [94:55] the video on TBN on TBN where he [94:57] endorsed Shawn. Not only endorsed his [94:59] book, Translating God, but endorsed his [95:01] character, the character of the man. In [95:03] fact, let me read you one line from Bill [95:05] Johnson's forward to the book, which he [95:08] obviously still stood behind in 2023. He [95:10] said about Shawn, "The time for the [95:13] authentic has come." H yeah, right here [95:17] in this in his forward to the book, the [95:18] time for the authentic has come. Uh [95:22] there's more. There's a lot more [95:24] actually. Now, TBN TBN had uh Sean [95:27] hosted hosting a show for on TBN long [95:30] after the evidence had come out uh in [95:32] internally where you know all the [95:33] circles of of of special important [95:35] people knew about it. But TBN when it [95:38] went public, they just quietly scrubbed [95:41] the data off the internet. They got rid [95:43] of all of his shows. He had a show on a [95:45] network and it was just disappeared [95:47] without announcement because when the [95:49] leaders know about it, nothing happens. [95:52] But when you know about it, public knows [95:54] about it, then they hide. So this video [95:56] I'm going to show you here, I actually [95:57] took this [95:59] gosh it was like last year, February or [96:03] something like that. Um it was it was [96:05] quite a while ago and it was just when [96:07] things started going public because [96:08] minor prophets went out and made their [96:10] video where they were saying, "Hey guys, [96:12] everybody knows um and and nobody's [96:13] doing anything about it." Um and this [96:16] but this is before the witnesses came [96:17] forward. I have more information. I have [96:18] stuff that nobody's heard before that [96:20] I'll be sharing with you guys today. So [96:22] anyways, this is what TBN did. [96:25] All right. I've been looking into uh [96:26] Shawn Bull's stuff. This is his search [96:28] results on TBN. TBN, which previously [96:31] had um a video of Shambles and Bill [96:34] Johnson, which has just been scrubbed [96:35] from their site. It's gone now. The link [96:37] doesn't work. I think I've already [96:38] showed you guys that at this point in my [96:40] video if I did what I plan to do. But [96:42] when I click on these other videos where [96:44] Shawn Bulls shows up, [96:47] you actually go to them. Okay, that [96:49] looks like it works. There he is. Shawn [96:50] BS. It's his his show, I believe. [96:52] Translating God with Shawn BS. That's [96:54] his show. When I click to watch them, [96:57] just says technical difficulties. If I [97:00] do this with another video, [97:04] this is him and Chayon who's in our [97:06] prophet guy uh apostle supposedly. And [97:11] same issue, technical difficulties. If I [97:14] click the next one, let's just it'll go [97:15] down here to this one. Engaging a [97:17] culture open link, a new tab. Here it [97:21] is. Looks like it should be there. The [97:23] placeholder is there. The video is [97:28] cycling. [97:32] Oh, apologies. Technical difficulties, [97:34] it says. Um, you guys see me sometimes I [97:37] wear hats. Anyways, this this is uh part [97:40] of what's going on is a a what looks [97:42] like TBN scrubbing Shawn BS from their [97:44] website. Um there should be if this is [97:47] the case, if he needs to be screwed from [97:49] their sight because he is a false [97:51] prophet who's been misleading and [97:52] deceiving people and causing harm and [97:55] well then they should publicly come out [97:57] and say it. That's the responsible thing [97:59] to do. That's the biblical thing to do. [98:00] That's the Christian thing to do. I [98:02] don't think they will do this. It looks [98:04] to me like it's more of the same. [98:05] Protect protect the movement. Protect [98:07] the self. Protect cover up. But don't [98:10] warn the people who they misled by [98:14] putting this content on their site in [98:16] the first place. [98:18] So the people who I especially think are [98:19] accountable for dealing with Shawn are [98:21] those who platformed him. They have to [98:24] deal with him. The people who are [98:26] actually dealing with him are people who [98:27] never platformed him whose hearts just [98:29] break for the victims and who are saying [98:31] this has to be dealt with. We care about [98:33] prophetic integrity. And more and more [98:34] charismatic people are making making [98:36] noise about it and I'm proud of you guys [98:37] and I'm thankful that you are. Um, [98:39] that's a good thing. But I want those [98:41] leaders, I hope they watch this video. I [98:43] I doubt it. I doubt Chris Boutton would [98:46] watch this video. I doubt he would give [98:47] it the time of day. Um, [98:50] but I hope that they will because what I [98:52] want you to see next is I want you to [98:53] see this. This is Jubilee Dawn. She's [98:55] going to talk about how healing it was [98:57] for her when people finally exposed [99:00] Shawn for who he was and how it blessed [99:02] her and it meant so much to her for him [99:04] to be called out. And this is what you [99:05] do is you you vindicate. You're not just [99:07] calling people out because you hate [99:08] Shawn. You're vindicating the people [99:10] that they hurt. You're bringing healing [99:12] to where harm was brought. You're you're [99:14] you're even if if you call out from [99:15] within your own group, you're even [99:18] bringing purity and integrity back into [99:20] your group. But Bethl did none of those [99:22] things. [99:22] >> The person who reached out to me said um [99:25] that he hoped that this was not [99:28] triggering for me to hear this [99:30] information, but he thought that I [99:31] deserve to know. And it is just healing [99:35] to be honest. It's so much closure. It [99:38] is what 24 25-year-old me needed to hear [99:44] was that I didn't need to stay in that [99:47] marriage and that none of that was real. [99:50] So, I love my TikTok community. I'm so [99:53] thankful. I would have never had the um [99:57] I don't know just that absolute healing [99:59] confirmation if it wasn't for this app [100:01] and the community that I built on here. [100:02] So I love you guys. Thank you so so [100:05] much. You have changed my life. [100:07] >> Bethl could have easily stopped this [100:11] from happening in the first place. But [100:12] they could also have easily done [100:14] something to bring that kind of healing [100:17] from within the church, right? From [100:19] believers. They could have brought that [100:21] kind of healing to Jubilee and so many [100:23] others because even as this video goes [100:24] out, there's new people finding out [100:25] because even though this stuff's been [100:26] exposed, it's just that the platforms [100:28] aren't big enough. What we need is Bill [100:30] Johnson to make a statement about about [100:31] Shawn specifically that it's true. It's [100:34] all true, right? Not the horrible [100:36] statement that they actually made, which [100:37] I will be reading later on. Um, but that [100:39] it's actually true and tell us what you [100:41] actually know. But they won't do it. [100:42] It's always damage control. It's a PR. [100:44] It's it's it's like talking to human [100:46] resources is dealing with these guys and [100:48] it's just [100:50] It's lame and it's abusive to people. [100:53] Speaking of abuse, abuse to people, [100:55] we're going to talk about Sean's sexual [100:56] deviency. Now, [101:05] sexual deviency and sexual harassment. [101:08] And I would I would think it classified [101:10] as clergy sexual abuse. So, I [101:13] interviewed three eyewitnesses from [101:15] Shawn's uh ministry, his former [101:17] employees. three three eyewitnesses. I'm [101:20] going to tell their stories and specific [101:22] detail and this is going to be gross and [101:25] it's going to be inappropriate for kids [101:27] and you're free for you to skip past it [101:30] if you want. Again, there's timestamps [101:31] down below. You can just skip right past [101:32] this section, but I'm going to get into [101:34] it and we're going to talk about in [101:35] detail. Um, all three of them reported [101:38] very significant things. instances of [101:40] Shawn's uh nudity in unwanted forced [101:45] nudity in in various scenarios and his [101:47] self-pleasuring I'll call it um in front [101:50] of people who were not welcoming it [101:54] there they they assure me there are at [101:55] least 12 victims that they're aware of [101:58] 12 that they are aware of from people [102:02] who all were under Sean's influence [102:04] under his authority in some sense who he [102:06] did this kind of stuff to and their [102:09] testimonies span over a decade, well [102:11] over a 10-year period of time, these [102:13] three witnesses can attest to. And so [102:15] this means that we're talking about um [102:17] stuff that was happening before 2005 and [102:19] it was happening all the way into the [102:20] late 201s and by all reasonable [102:24] expectation is still happening today. I [102:26] would I would anticipate. There's no [102:27] reason to think otherwise because he's [102:28] lying and deceiving and and and denying. [102:30] So why would you think that something [102:32] has suddenly changed and improved? Bill [102:34] Johnson and Bethl leadership knew about [102:37] this for nearly five years at least that [102:41] they knew about these things. Multiple [102:43] witnesses. Now they mentioned in their [102:45] letter one witness. It was they knew [102:46] about more than one actually. Um we'll [102:48] go through that letter later. So they [102:51] knew. Now what these guys describe what [102:54] the three men I spoke with describe is [102:55] sexually doineering behavior. I would [102:58] call it grooming. I think it qualifies [103:00] and deviency. that is a person who is [103:02] disqualified from ministry certainly is [103:04] not a prophet and it's it's sick and [103:07] dark and but we'll get into it. So long [103:10] ago Sean would before he was married [103:13] would have group homes where he would he [103:15] would be the guy that was in charge of [103:17] the property like it was his house or [103:18] he's renting or whatever and then he had [103:20] a group of young men who would live with [103:21] him. And so one of these group homes was [103:24] um in LA and Sean rented this house. It [103:28] was about um seven men that lived in the [103:31] house with him. All young men in their [103:33] 20s. Shawn was older than all of them. [103:35] He's 51 now. Um so he was older than all [103:38] of them. And it was according to one [103:40] witness, it was quote like a Christian [103:41] frat house. That was kind of what it was [103:43] like. And also quote, Shawn was always [103:46] trying to get us naked. That's a theme [103:48] with Shawn. Shawn has a voyeristic [103:51] desire to be seen naked. It seems from [103:54] multiple witnesses. And I'm as a [103:56] Christian, I'm supposed to take the [103:59] consistent testimony of multiple [104:00] witnesses, which doesn't have any like [104:02] red flags of of of [104:04] being false or something like that. Um, [104:07] and then it seemed then they're [104:08] confirming one another. And anyway, I I [104:11] got so I I got more than three actually [104:13] witnesses I can share. You'll see. It's [104:15] all coming. All right. So, uh, they say [104:18] Shawn was always trying to get us naked. [104:19] Uh, Shawn would send uh pictures of his [104:22] private parts to guys. He'd send photos [104:25] and he tried to create a culture where [104:26] that was normalized. One thing Sean does [104:28] is he wants to bring people other people [104:30] it seems to his level of sexual [104:32] depravity. So he's trying to create an [104:35] environment where that stuff is [104:36] normalized. He often uh talked about the [104:39] size of his self and he would talk about [104:42] it being larger than the other men's. Um [104:45] and then he would use this in a sort of [104:46] a doineering fashion. It seems the guys [104:49] had conversations about Shawn. This is [104:51] back. We're talking many years ago. They [104:54] would have open conversations about [104:55] Shawn. Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's gay. I [104:58] don't know. Some things he does. Maybe [105:01] he's gay. But it was confusing to them [105:03] because he would talk about sexual [105:05] purity all the time. Now, Sham would [105:07] claim he was a virgin. He was not [105:09] married until he was a older guy and he [105:12] was single at this time and he said he [105:14] was a virgin. And he would say things [105:16] like, "If anybody on the team is caught [105:19] using pornography, then they're kicked [105:20] out of the ministry." He would say this, [105:21] right? But this was confusing because [105:23] then he would display himself and do [105:26] other things. We'll get into that in a [105:28] minute, more of that in a minute. Um, [105:30] about the self-pleasuring stuff. And so, [105:31] they were confused. And [105:34] of course, it's confusing. You're you're [105:36] with a a a sick, demonically controlled [105:39] pervert. That that I don't know another [105:40] way to call it. You're certainly not [105:42] controlled by the Holy Spirit when [105:43] you're getting up and speaking in God's [105:44] name, doing these things. Anyways, [105:48] this one witness I spoke to, he found he [105:51] was told by, "Hey, go get my phone or [105:53] whatever." He he grabs Sean's phone and [105:55] he sees gay pornography on the phone. [105:59] This shocked him and he showed it to [106:02] another guy so that the two of them [106:04] could go and confront Shawn. Hey, what [106:05] is the deal with this? We found this on [106:06] your phone. Now, Shawn's own standards [106:08] are very high, verbally at least. And so [106:10] they they came and asked him, "What is [106:12] the deal here?" Sean's response, [106:14] according to him, was it was a joke. I [106:18] that he deliberately looked up gay [106:21] pornography, left it on his phone [106:23] visible so that this guy would find it [106:26] as a way of messing with him. [106:29] Do you believe that? [106:32] I don't believe that. [106:34] Prior to this, this is this is in the LA [106:36] home that he had with seven guys. Prior [106:38] to this, I'm told that Sean had another [106:39] group home in Alabama where three guys [106:41] lived. This is even further in the past [106:43] before I have access to uh those people [106:45] or those individuals. Um, one witness [106:48] from a more recent much more recent [106:50] time, again, I told you this spans from [106:53] 2005 to the late 201s. Um, so one from a [106:57] more recent time said that uh Sean would [107:00] regularly go to Kore a Korean spa, a [107:02] specific Korean spa in LA, and he would [107:04] walk around there naked. He just walk [107:06] around there naked. He was always trying [107:08] to get the other guys to join him at the [107:09] spa. Some of those watching this video, [107:11] Sean has done this to you. Um, and if [107:14] you need uh counseling or if you know [107:16] need to talk to uh somebody, that's [107:19] good, man. You can recover from this. [107:21] You can get over this. You can overcome [107:23] this and you'll be stronger for it in [107:24] the end. And um there's help for you. [107:27] So, you can reach out to my my ministry. [107:28] I'm not offering to pay for counseling [107:30] for every random person that watches [107:31] this video, but if you're a victim of [107:32] shambles and you reach out, we want to [107:35] help you out. Okay? no strings attached. [107:39] Um [107:41] there's so much more. So the things that [107:43] these guys described, these witnesses, [107:45] and in full agreement with each other, [107:48] um and and separately, I've interviewed [107:50] them separately. Um and there's there's [107:52] corresponding details. So the things [107:53] that they described reveal a pattern of [107:55] Shawn's grooming, sexual doineering, and [107:56] unwanted sexual harassment. Let me give [107:59] some examples. One of the men on his uh [108:03] first trip with Shawn, he had been [108:06] warned prior to the trip uh that Shawn [108:08] likes to be naked in the hotel room. [108:10] Now, he he he thought it was a joke. He [108:12] thought the guy was telling a joke, and [108:13] he goes, you know, is there anything I [108:14] need to know about Shawn? He goes, [108:15] "Well, you know, he likes to be naked in [108:16] the hotel room." He was like, "Okay." Uh [108:19] he thought he was joking. Was not true. [108:22] Uh it was not true that it was a joke. [108:24] It was it was just a fact. So, when they [108:27] get to the hotel room, within minutes, [108:30] Shawn just strips his clothes off. And [108:31] this becomes part of a pattern of [108:33] trapped conditions. Shawn in conditions [108:36] where people are trapped, they're stuck [108:37] with him. That's when he takes [108:39] advantage. So, he pulls his clothes off [108:40] and he's just walking around naked. Um, [108:43] then things got worse. And I'll walk [108:45] through the timeline of this a little [108:47] bit more later, but he at one point woke [108:50] up to uh to Shawn uh pleasuring himself [108:54] and then he then Seawn just started [108:56] doing it all the time. All the time. And [108:58] it was in these trap conditions. They're [108:59] traveling. They're in a hotel room. [109:01] They're in a one of them he's in a car [109:03] when it happens. Uh I'll I'll talk about [109:04] that. [109:07] This is the pattern with him ongoing [109:09] continual repeated pattern for many [109:11] years of doing this these sort of [109:13] things. [109:15] with guys [109:17] in trapped conditions without consent. [109:20] Now, consent wouldn't make it okay. It [109:22] would still be morally wrong. But it is [109:24] different when you take away consent. [109:25] You go, you're you're you're his boss. [109:29] You're his spiritual leader. You're the [109:31] guy who's footing the bill [109:34] and you're doing this. [109:39] One time one of the guys very boldly [109:41] said cuz he was upset about it and he [109:43] Sean was again naked on the top of the [109:46] covers of his bed and he was doing this [109:49] stuff to himself and he says if you're [109:50] going to do that go into the stinking [109:52] bathroom although he didn't say [109:53] stinking. And Sean replied, "You go to [109:56] the bathroom if you don't like it. I'm [109:57] paying for the room and travel." [110:01] One of the gentlemen um who was back [110:04] then experiencing these things uh [110:06] actually took a video of Shawn doing [110:08] this [110:10] not as a way of delighting in it but [110:13] probably as a way of I'm guessing to try [110:15] to get control of his life cuz it's it's [110:16] it's oppressive. It's oppressive. It's [110:19] doineering and oppressive for him to do [110:20] this to them. This is in my opinion it's [110:22] sexually abusive. Um, [110:27] so he takes this video of it and then [110:29] just shows it to another another one of [110:31] the guys in the group and um he's like [110:33] like as a way of saying look at this is [110:34] so wrong and disgusting. Now some of you [110:37] are thinking I don't understand how this [110:38] could happen. Like if if you've never [110:40] been in an environment of like say a [110:42] really toxic home, a really bad [110:44] scenario, really unhealthy [110:46] relationships, then yeah, it makes you [110:48] don't understand how this could happen [110:49] because you've never seen it happen [110:50] before. But this stuff happens all the [110:52] time and um and it usually takes people [110:55] a long time to get out of it and then to [110:57] sort of um detoxify from the environment [111:00] where they start to realize how the how [111:02] they were brought through a deliberate [111:04] path. I'll talk about the pathway that [111:05] Sean uses through a deliberate path to [111:08] get them to the place where they were [111:09] vulnerable enough where someone could do [111:10] this to them. And um and it it it is [111:13] understandable. Anyways, Shawn would [111:16] give justifications. Um, according to [111:18] the witnesses, he would say things like, [111:20] "I'm a prophet. I need release." So, [111:23] this is why he can [111:26] pleasure himself in front of other [111:27] people without their consent is partly [111:29] because he is a prophet. He needs [111:31] release. Now, I want you to think about [111:33] what it means to tie your prophetic, [111:35] supposed prophetic gifting to your [111:38] disgusting, sexually perverted [111:39] behaviors. What does that mean about [111:41] your soul? What does that mean about the [111:43] nature of this guy? [111:47] about him exposing himself. [111:50] He said that was quote normal stuff that [111:52] happened between guys in locker rooms. [111:54] That was what I've been told. That he [111:56] would use the locker room excuse as a [111:58] regular way of sort of deferring, you [112:01] know, like, oh, that's just normal, but [112:03] I exposing myself. That's normal locker [112:04] room stuff, guys. [112:06] I don't think that is normal locker room [112:08] stuff, guys. But I also think that Shawn [112:10] is not a locker room guy in the first [112:12] place. Take a look at the guy. He's not [112:14] exactly been in a lot of locker rooms [112:17] doing a lot of sports things. He likes [112:18] to surround himself. He has a type of of [112:20] of guys he likes. He likes young [112:23] athletic guys to be serving alongside of [112:25] him. That's true. But he has not been [112:27] the athletic guy. He just [112:30] likes them. [112:32] He would tell people who confronted him [112:34] that they were being religious. He [112:36] actually tried to convince one of my [112:37] witnesses that something was wrong with [112:38] him because he was bothered by Shawn's [112:40] behavior. Well, you're religious. You're [112:42] too bound up by religion. of spirit of [112:43] religion. That's why you don't want me [112:45] to be fondling myself. You don't want me [112:48] to be doing the these things that I'm [112:51] doing in front of you. Now, I want to [112:53] talk about how it impacted one of my [112:54] witnesses cuz this has been a consistent [112:56] story I've heard. It led him to suicidal [112:59] ideiation and eventually PTSD episodes [113:02] while there. He received a lot of [113:04] counseling um and has improved a lot. [113:07] But even this video is something that is [113:09] is going to be challenging for him to [113:10] deal with and he's he's working through [113:12] it. and I had to make sure, are you sure [113:13] you're okay with me sharing these [113:14] things? I don't want to do anything [113:15] that's going to bring harm to you. And [113:16] um hopefully it's part of his healing [113:18] because finally people are going to know [113:20] the truth. Something he tried to make [113:23] happen, but um but it didn't happen [113:26] because Sean's board wouldn't listen [113:28] because the leadership at Bethl and [113:30] other uh individuals would not listen. [113:33] They wouldn't do anything to stop him. [113:35] They would just distance themselves from [113:37] him and tell others, "Oo, watch out for [113:39] Seawn. There's witnesses in the wings [113:40] ready to come forward. you wouldn't want [113:42] to be around him. That's that's the [113:44] message that I think went out. That's [113:46] how I think it really went. So, a common [113:49] thing among guys I talk to is these like [113:51] suicidal ideiation or or just PTSD or [113:53] basically they experienced a lot of [113:55] nasty sick trauma from a guy who was [113:56] supposed to be a prophetic leader. A [113:58] different witness. Let me tell you about [113:59] a different guy's story. Uh Sean got in [114:02] the backseat of the car all of a sudden [114:04] with this employee and just started [114:08] doing his thing, pleasing himself, [114:11] right? [114:13] I don't want to give more details. You [114:15] know what that means? He was he was in [114:18] the backseat of the car all of a sudden [114:19] just climbs back there and just does [114:20] this with him right there in the front [114:23] without without permission or consent or [114:25] something like that. Again, consent [114:26] doesn't make it okay, but but it makes [114:27] it even worse to not have it. and he [114:30] knew that this this young man at the [114:32] time he was he was a victim of prior [114:36] sexual abuse and Shawn knew this about [114:39] the man. You will find that a target [114:42] person for somebody who is exhibiting [114:44] the behaviors that we're hearing about [114:46] that Shawn we're hearing Shawn [114:47] exhibited. Those kinds of people tend to [114:49] target those who suffered abuse in the [114:51] past because they're sort of more ready [114:53] for it in the future. That's the sad [114:55] reality is that a someone who who abuses [114:58] their child very often leads to that say [115:01] it's a girl leads to that girl marrying [115:03] an abusive man. They're primed for [115:04] certain behaviors and certain relational [115:06] dynamics and so they target them. This [115:08] is not a surprise because Paul Kaine, [115:10] one of Shawn Bull's mentors and a guy [115:12] who sought to protect Shawn when people [115:14] were trying to expose him earlier um who [115:17] has since died. [115:20] Uh thankfully he's not around to protect [115:22] Shawn now. [115:24] Paul Kaine would do this with his [115:25] interns. He would hire multiple interns [115:28] who were former homosexuals and then [115:30] bring them in and then they're [115:31] repentant. They need guidance. They need [115:33] spiritual leadership. But he would groom [115:34] them and stuff that's already been [115:37] public that's been been public for a [115:38] while now about Paul Kane, one of the [115:40] supposed Kansas City prophets connected [115:42] to Mike Bickl and all this [115:45] who had a hand in protecting Shawn and [115:46] keeping him from getting exposed even [115:48] earlier. [115:50] So Shawn does this in the trapped back [115:53] seat trapped car situation where he's [115:55] driving and boom, he just does this all [115:56] of a sudden. Then it was in hotel rooms. [115:59] Um then when he's challenged, he mocks [116:02] the person challenging him, this [116:03] employee who challenges him. He mocks [116:05] him. He breaks him down. He talks about [116:06] how he's the man of God and he's the [116:07] prophet and he's tearing down the walls [116:10] systematically in this person's life to [116:12] make it more normal. Shawn would [116:14] insinuate himself in their lives so that [116:16] they feel like he's involved in every [116:18] part of their life. Every decision they [116:20] make, they have to talk to Shawn about [116:21] it. They have to get his wisdom and his [116:22] guidance on everything. He's like a [116:24] mentor. He's also an employer. He's like [116:26] their best friend. He's also their [116:27] landlord. This this incredible like [116:30] cultlike in connection that he has with [116:33] people and then connects it to these [116:35] intimate perverse things. And then if [116:38] you don't like it, he shames you and he [116:39] spiritually berates you over it. [116:43] Another thing this particular witness [116:45] told me is Sean, I'll just read what he [116:48] said, loved to whip his thing out and [116:50] show it to everybody. [116:56] This is an assertion of dominance. That [116:58] that's what this is. This is an I [117:00] believe this anyways is an assertion of [117:01] dominance. This is about power and man [117:05] Sean must like power. The power of being [117:07] in a room and having the being the man [117:09] of God who gets the word of God, the [117:11] best prophet of our day. That you must [117:13] like that power. The power of stripping [117:16] down and exposing yourself and forcing [117:20] that on other people. [117:22] I think maybe that that feels good in [117:24] some disgusting way to him. And so, let [117:26] me talk to you about how he progresses. [117:28] I think it's calculated. I think it's [117:30] intentional. And after being a a DV [117:32] domestic violence counselor for years, [117:34] um there's often progression when people [117:36] get others into these really unhealthy [117:39] like deeply wicked relationships. Um it [117:42] doesn't just go straight to it. Usually [117:44] typically it's a it's a long slow [117:46] process to get somebody into the place [117:49] where they are um they're exposed to [117:51] those things. For instance, you don't [117:53] know that Sean's going to do this to you [117:54] until after you're already hired, after [117:56] you've already got a paycheck coming in, [117:57] after you're already in a hotel room and [117:59] you're already trapped and you've and [118:01] you've already come to think of him as [118:03] this as this uh man of God, you know, [118:05] then it happens. And that environment [118:08] makes it difficult for you to do [118:09] something about it. It's not impossible, [118:11] but it makes it harder. Okay, so here's [118:13] the progression. [118:15] first trip, hotel room trip, within a [118:17] minute of stepping into the room, Sean [118:19] is completely nude, walking around [118:21] completely nude. From then on, it was [118:23] going to be prolonged nudity. He would [118:25] be nude for hours and in the room, just [118:27] anytime he's in the room, he is not [118:28] wearing clothes. That was the normal [118:30] thing that was going on at the time. He [118:32] would also then ask for massages while [118:35] he was not wearing clothes in the hotel [118:36] room. Can you give a massage? Oh, my [118:38] back hurts. Oh, give me a massage, man. [118:40] Come on, man. Come on, dude. I'm not [118:41] comfortable touching you with your W. [118:43] your religious spirit. You know, you [118:45] need you need to let go of that [118:46] religious spirit. Whatever it was, this [118:48] kind of thing was going on. One time in [118:50] particular, [118:53] I'm sorry to even say this stuff out [118:54] loud. Um [118:56] Sean was [118:58] aroused physically standing over this [119:02] person near him. Uh and he was [119:07] near him and [119:09] wagging and saying, "Why won't you look [119:11] at it? Why won't you look at it? Look at [119:13] it. [119:15] Do you see the progression? They're [119:17] pushing it, pushing it, pushing it. Now, [119:18] when the guy doesn't look, he goes, "Oh, [119:20] I'm shaming you. You're not looking [119:21] because you have this problem. You're [119:22] not looking because you have that [119:23] character issue or that fear or that [119:25] insecurity, and that's the reason why [119:26] you don't want to look at me." Let me [119:28] talk about multiple uh moments of the um [119:31] self-pleasuring. Okay. So, [119:36] first time in a in a hotel room at 3:00 [119:38] in the morning, he this this witness [119:40] believes Shawn purposely woke him up and [119:42] Shawn is there uh doing his thing. Um, [119:45] also Shawn warns him around the same [119:49] time he says, "Sometimes I wake up in [119:51] the middle of the night jerking off." [119:54] That that's what he tells the guy. [119:56] So, this is him probably trying to cover [119:58] his bases, cover his tracks, right? He [120:00] This is obviously not an accident. and [120:02] he's not sleepwalking. This is something [120:04] he's doing deliberately. Um, second [120:07] time, second time now he's in London. In [120:10] London, Shawn is doing an event called [120:13] God Secrets [120:15] in London. And somehow, uh, Shawn got [120:19] them into the honeymoon suite at this [120:21] hotel. They don't get a normal room. [120:22] They get the honeymoon suite, him and [120:23] his employee. [120:26] And the honeymoon suite has a clear [120:28] glass shower. [120:30] And the guy's uncomfortable with this [120:32] because he's obvious for obvious [120:33] reasons, right? So, he actually showers [120:35] in his shorts. He's that uncomfortable [120:36] with the things that are going on. And [120:38] they're together in the room the next [120:40] morning. And now it's not wake up in the [120:42] middle of the night. Oh, I sometimes do [120:44] that. I wake up. He just asks the guy [120:46] openly right there as they're hanging [120:47] out in the morning. Morning is Sean's [120:49] time for this stuff. He says, "Do you [120:51] care?" Sean asks him, "Do you care if I [120:55] jerk off?" The guy does not give [120:58] permission. Sean just does it anyways [121:00] all the way everything [121:03] again he's doing a conference called God [121:05] secrets in London [121:07] the third time I want to show the [121:10] progression here from nudity to engaged [121:12] nudity to physical stuff we say oh it [121:16] was sleepwalking to then um asking [121:19] permission to finally next time he [121:21] doesn't ask he just starts it's in the [121:24] morning he's on his bed not wearing any [121:27] clothes on top of the covers and just [121:29] goes for it. This led to for this [121:32] gentleman, depression, trauma, suicidal [121:34] ideiation, different guy we're talking [121:36] about here, counseling, long recovery. [121:39] Again, if you're one of Sean's victims, [121:40] please reach out to to my ministry, [121:41] biblethinker.org, and we will help you [121:43] out. Um, and I I a warning has to go out [121:46] to Sean's current team members, the [121:48] people that are working with him now, [121:49] the people that are around him now. He's [121:50] obviously a very dangerous man. He [121:52] probably should be brought up on [121:53] charges. I'm not I'm not the law. I [121:55] don't have that kind of power and I'm [121:57] not the witness, but I I can warn the [121:59] church. Hey guys, this is editing Mike [122:01] coming in here. Sorry for this attire. [122:03] Um, here's the thing. I was editing the [122:05] video just now. Um, and I noticed that I [122:08] didn't mention something that I thought [122:10] I did talk about, which is that one of [122:11] the three former employees told me that [122:14] the progression actually went to the [122:16] point where in his case, uh, Shawn was [122:19] doing this every every morning. like [122:22] whenever they were traveling every [122:23] morning he would wake up in the room [122:25] with John and he'd be nude and he'd be [122:28] performing to completion the perverse [122:30] act. This was constant uh continual and [122:35] who knows where the progression would [122:36] have gone um had any of these guys been [122:40] you know open to it. We just don't know [122:42] the answer to that question and it does [122:45] need to be brought up and that this does [122:47] need to be pursued. This is insane this [122:49] stuff. I I I hope that somehow the ball [122:52] gets rolling forward after this video to [122:54] bring more accountability to Shawn. Now, [122:56] there's more that all three of these [122:57] people confirmed and some of those [123:00] things were Shawn as a big fat liar. [123:05] All three of them confirmed that that he [123:06] was known as a guy who was dishonest and [123:09] untruthful as opposed to Bill Johnson [123:11] who says one of our most trusted [123:13] friends. [123:15] I was told Sean often exaggerated [123:17] stories. Again, this is an over 10-year [123:19] period of time these people represent. [123:21] He says 10 people would profess faith [123:23] and Shawn would later tell a crowd that [123:25] a hundred people did. When he was [123:26] confronted about this and said, "Hey, [123:28] Sean, you you you lied to those people." [123:30] He would just say, "Oh, I got excited. I [123:33] get excited. I just I get excited." [123:37] He was well known for exaggerating and [123:38] lying. Even back in 2008, they called [123:41] him quote Shawn the Liar. I double [123:44] checked with this witness. I was like, [123:45] "People like actually called him that [123:46] like a nickname." and he goes, "Yeah, [123:48] Shawn the Liar. That was the nickname [123:50] that they had for him." Bethl introduced [123:53] him to the world as one of our most [123:55] trusted friends. [123:58] Another witness, different witness, said [123:59] that about the fake prophecy stuff that [124:01] Shawn would ask for the Wi-Fi password [124:03] when they visited churches that he [124:05] wanted also wanted access to the backend [124:07] to find info on those who were attending [124:09] a Spokane conference that they put on. [124:11] So, there's a specific memory of a [124:12] specific conference at at Spokane where [124:14] he was like, I want he he he made up a [124:18] story, it seems, about like, oh, I want [124:19] to uh see if somebody I know might be [124:22] attending the conference so I could comp [124:24] them. Um, and yet to to that person's [124:26] employees knowledge, nobody was comped. [124:28] Nobody. And and that didn't happen. Um, [124:32] right. He just wanted information to the [124:33] back end, which is an old Paul Kane [124:35] trick, right? Paul Kane's like, "Can I [124:36] go look at your church uh uh records?" [124:39] He says this witness quote he is a [124:41] profound liar. He gives another example. [124:44] Says once Shawn played video games all [124:46] day and when he went to the conference [124:48] he was giving words of knowledge to [124:49] people, right? He gives words and says [124:51] that he got those words from God while [124:53] he was in his room. Why does he say he [124:54] got them in the room? Because he's got [124:55] them on his smart device and he's got to [124:57] read off the device. He probably got [124:59] them like late at night when he's [125:00] scrolling around looking at the [125:01] check-ins and checking people's [125:02] Facebooks and trying to see who's there [125:04] or maybe checking to see who's signed [125:06] in. compare the names of the people that [125:08] signed in and then search for Facebook [125:09] to see if you can find them. Um, at any [125:12] rate, he just played video games all day [125:14] in the hotel room. I'm guessing he was [125:16] wearing no clothes playing video games [125:17] all day in the hotel room. He didn't [125:19] spend any time seeking the Lord. He [125:20] didn't spend any time getting words from [125:22] God, but he told the conference people [125:23] that he did. That's what the witnesses [125:25] is testifying. [125:27] He says also that he never saw Shawn [125:30] pray. Never. Not on his own. Obviously [125:33] on stage, sure, uh, but not on his own. [125:35] never saw Shawn open his Bible. He never [125:37] saw Shawn do any personal devotion. And [125:39] I I will quote him now. Never, Mike. [125:42] Never. [125:43] There's another witness who says that [125:46] Shawn was third one here, well known for [125:49] ridiculous exaggerations and he made [125:51] light of it. He would use funds against [125:54] their designated purposes, which is [125:55] actually what led to this uh this person [125:58] quitting. Um, and [126:01] when it came to the fake prophecy thing, [126:03] he says regarding one of the testimonies [126:06] of the other guys because we I shared [126:08] some of the stuff between the guys and [126:10] he says, "I know his experience was real [126:12] even though he's never met the guy." He [126:13] goes, "Because I saw the same thing in [126:15] my own experience." And there's more, [126:18] guys. Now, any one of these individual [126:19] things you might not you might not grab. [126:21] Mike, you have you're not going to tell [126:22] us the names of these guys? No, I would [126:23] like you to leave them alone. Um, you [126:25] guys can, those who want to defend Sean [126:27] can come at me and leave these guys [126:28] alone. How's that sound? Um, they don't [126:31] need to be brought out. I know who they [126:33] are. I've confirmed them. I've confirmed [126:34] their stories of multiple sources. And [126:36] I'm going to share more stuff with you [126:37] very shortly that will make it even [126:38] stronger. You'll see. But the thing is, [126:42] we are as Christians supposed to take [126:44] the testimony of multiple witnesses as [126:46] having weight. We have got a hundred [126:48] witnesses about Shawn. Whether it's from [126:51] the video footage that we've got, the [126:52] evidence, the behind-the-scenes stuff [126:54] I'm about to share with you for [126:55] relatively soon here about the [126:56] charismatic leaders, how they knew that [126:58] this stuff was real and they believed it [127:00] and which is why Chris Valatin behind [127:02] the scenes was like, "Sean can't come to [127:04] any of our events, even though Bill went [127:05] publicly and endorsed the man [127:09] disgustingly, even though TBN continued [127:11] to have his show up until it was so [127:12] public that they just quietly removed it [127:14] and didn't say anything. [127:17] We're going to we're going to share all [127:18] that stuff with you guys. It's important [127:19] that we understand. For you guys, it's [127:21] only been seconds, but for me, it has [127:23] been a couple hours. I just finished [127:25] interviewing with um another couple who [127:28] behind the scenes has been mistreated by [127:31] a ministry. This is not about today's [127:34] video, though. That's something else. So [127:36] the bottom line is from the stuff you [127:38] just saw. Um when I say Bethl knew, what [127:41] we mean is that Bethl had the awareness [127:44] of these accusations of the gross stuff [127:46] that I just talked about in detail about [127:48] the fake prophecy stuff. Um they had [127:51] information that gave them the knowledge [127:52] of these things, the ability to [127:54] reasonably know. Like I don't know if [127:55] they're going to be like, "Well, we [127:55] didn't know. We weren't really [127:56] convinced." And you can say this all day [127:58] long, but the the information was there. [128:00] You should have been convinced. And they [128:02] didn't do the right thing. So, it's not [128:04] just that they thought, well, maybe [128:06] sometimes he has, you know, cheated a [128:08] little in the prophetic. Um, which that [128:11] alone would have been actionable [128:13] evidence, but it was worse. [128:22] So, one of my witnesses, [128:25] he went to several charismatic leaders [128:28] years ago, and he did this so that by [128:31] early 2020, a bunch of them knew about [128:33] Shawn BS. And they knew about his [128:37] dis disgusting, gross, perverted, [128:39] doineering, sexually harassing [128:41] behaviors. And they went to, let me give [128:44] some specifics. Uh, they went to [128:46] Patricia King. Patricia King, who behind [128:49] the scenes was very supportive and very [128:51] much like, "I want to help you. I want [128:53] to help this situation. You know, I [128:55] care." Um, she recorded this guy's full [128:59] story. Like, there's an audio recording [129:01] of his entire telling of of his whole [129:03] story. Actually, it's three different [129:04] recordings. And she recorded this so [129:07] that she could send it on to Chayon and [129:09] send it on to Chris Valatin. And so, [129:12] everybody at this point, it was like [129:14] everybody was knowing about this stuff. [129:16] In fact, let me put their pictures up [129:17] for you as well. Chris Valatin, he knew, [129:21] okay, with with with my witness, with [129:23] his approval, she sent the information [129:25] on to Chris Valatin. He listened to the [129:27] recording. He was sent it. And the other [129:29] major charismatic leader was Cha Shay [129:31] Chay or Shayon Shay Chay, I think it's [129:34] Chay, I don't know. Anyways, it was this [129:35] guy who's running for governor of [129:37] California right now as we speak. And [129:40] these guys all knew. They knew about [129:42] Sean's depravity and they knew about the [129:45] evidence that he had um faked prophecies [129:48] and taken advantage of people. These are [129:50] people who had helped him, who had [129:52] platformed him or otherwise assisted [129:54] Shawn to get to where he was. And they [129:56] knew they heard the recording. They knew [129:58] about multiple victims, not just the [130:00] only one that I'm talking about who was [130:02] recorded. So Chris Valatin also told [130:06] Danny Silk, and we have evidence of this [130:08] in a text message. So, at this point, [130:11] Chris Valatin starts having a [130:12] conversation, a correspondence with one [130:14] of my witnesses, one of the victims, uh, [130:16] guys who w, you know, he's not forever a [130:17] victim, but who was victimized by Shawn. [130:20] Um, [130:22] that text conversation I'm going to show [130:23] with you now, I'm going to share with [130:24] you now. I'm going to put on screen and [130:26] you're going to see this took place [130:28] starting in April of 2020, but going all [130:30] the way until uh, gosh, is it sometime [130:33] late 2021 or something like that? We'll [130:35] we'll I'll show you the dates when we [130:37] when we get there. But here's the [130:38] conversation and we're going to walk [130:40] through it step by step so you guys can [130:41] understand that even though Bethl more [130:43] recently implied that they weren't sure [130:46] that it was all true, there were [130:47] allegations and duh, um Chris implied on [130:51] on Instagram recently that it was like [130:53] uncertain as to whether it was true. You [130:55] will see through these text messages [130:56] that that was not his posture in [130:58] private. In private, he knew it was [131:00] true. In public, they were doing damage [131:02] control and cover up culture. So here my [131:05] source says, "Hey Chris, I hope you're [131:08] doing well. Are there any updates with [131:10] the situation about Shawn? I believe [131:11] you've received the audio recording of [131:13] my experience, but I'm wondering what is [131:15] next again." Patricia King recorded it. [131:17] I sent it to Jayon. Jayon was like, [131:19] "Send it over to Chris." Um, I believe [131:22] you received it. Yeah. What's next? If [131:23] you prefer to chat briefly on the phone, [131:24] let me know. Thank you. So few hours [131:27] later, Chris gets back and says, "April [131:29] 17th, 2020. I've been aware of the [131:31] situation for a while. Thank you for [131:33] caring. [131:35] The next day, he says, "We start an [131:38] investigation into Shawn's ministry. [131:39] I'll get back to you in a couple months [131:41] as we find the truth and bring [131:42] wholeness. Thanks for reaching out to [131:44] us." The implication now is Chris has [131:46] the ball. Right? This this this guy went [131:48] to uh Patricia King, who went to Chayon, [131:51] who went to Chris Valatin, and now the [131:53] heavy hitters are getting involved, [131:54] right? These are like people who can [131:56] make a difference cuz if this guy just [131:57] comes out against Sean, he'll just get [131:58] slandered and that'll be the end of the [132:00] story, right? which is what happened [132:02] before to Justin Smmedley who came out [132:04] against Shawn, rightly so, and was [132:07] attacked by Paul Kaine and ended up [132:09] having weird things happen there. Um, [132:13] so, okay, heavy hitters are involved. [132:15] Something good's going to happen. [132:16] They're obviously taking the ball. Bethl [132:18] sees themselves as having a place in [132:20] this investigation. I mean, they're [132:21] doing an investigation. Certainly, they [132:23] won't later on say, "We have no [132:24] authority over Shawn. We have we have no [132:27] place in this." Right? They wouldn't say [132:28] that later, would they? Okay. So, some [132:32] time goes by, June 18th now. Hey, Chris, [132:35] it's been a couple months and wondering [132:37] if there is an update. It would help my [132:40] heart to know what's going on. Thanks. [132:42] It's kind of weird that this person was [132:43] not they weren't the victim. They [132:45] weren't being Nobody's corresponding [132:46] with them. No one's staying in touch [132:48] with them to tell them about the [132:49] meetings they're having, about the [132:50] confrontation supposedly they had with [132:52] Shawn. Uh, so he has to reach out a [132:54] couple months later. Then Chris [132:56] responds, "We have met with Shawn on [132:58] three occasions now. Last Friday, I flew [133:01] down to meet with him for a few hours. I [133:03] think we're moving forward, but it's [133:04] really slow. We've had some very hard [133:07] conversations, as I'm sure you can [133:08] imagine. I would like to give Danny your [133:10] contact info if that's okay. He would [133:12] like to reach out to you and see how we [133:14] can help bring some closure to your [133:16] situation with Shawn." What they're [133:18] trying to do right now, I think, is [133:19] broker uh forgiveness and have Shawn go, [133:22] "I'm sorry for what I did. How can I [133:24] make it right?" and for this person to [133:25] go, "Thank you for acknowledging it. I I [133:27] forgive you. Here's what I'm asking." [133:29] Um, that wasn't going to happen because [133:30] Sean was denying. He was denying that he [133:33] had done these this sexual harassment [133:35] stuff. Um, [133:37] supposedly it's hypo allegedly [133:40] hypothetically true that Shawn told [133:42] somebody [133:44] that um his lawyer told him he has to [133:47] lie about it because of the legal [133:48] ramifications of if it came out and so [133:50] he has to take it to his grave. [133:52] allegedly, supposedly, hypothetically, [133:55] possibly in some plausible world. And so [133:59] it doesn't happen, right? The next text [134:01] message is from December. So that that [134:03] much time goes by without resolution. [134:05] It's December of 2020. Chris, when are [134:08] you going to intervene? Shawn BS has [134:10] gone 2 years without having to answer [134:12] for what he did to me. And I keep being [134:14] passed on like a nuisance. When will he [134:17] have to answer for the damage he caused [134:18] to me? And and guys, again, there's over [134:20] 12 that we're aware of that we could say [134:23] uh received similar type treatment from [134:25] Shawn. And um and [134:29] it just even there's stuff I I know that [134:31] I can't even tell you guys. Um [134:34] I've been promised a meeting with Shawn, [134:36] he says, where he would clean up his [134:38] mess, and yet I'm still waiting and now [134:40] being told Shawn won't give me an [134:41] adequate apology. Could you imagine if [134:43] what was done to me had happened to one [134:45] of your sons or grandsons? how pissed [134:48] you would be. But yet, restitution [134:49] hasn't been made, and I'm still pushed [134:51] to the side like a nuisance. I'm trying [134:54] to do everything biblically, but growing [134:56] frustrated. Can you please help? I'm [134:58] tired of being put off and treated like [135:00] a nuisance. Does anyone really have my [135:03] best interest at heart? Sean is doing [135:04] his thing and not having to answer for [135:06] what he did to me. Now, this is the this [135:08] is exactly the kind of thing a a number [135:09] of other people I've talked to have gone [135:11] through because what happens is they go [135:13] to leaders. Hey, this person mistreated [135:15] me. this person did this this this um [135:18] their ministry's got major problems [135:20] there's financial this there's personal [135:22] abuse type things they're gone and [135:23] there's all this stuff right the leader [135:25] who they go to ex exudes compassion they [135:28] love bomb them they're like I care I'll [135:30] pray for you oh yes I want to I want to [135:32] be in your corner and have your back but [135:34] whenever it comes time to pull the [135:36] trigger and do something public they're [135:38] left on their own and that's exactly [135:40] what's going to happen here as you'll [135:41] see as we read on so the next part of [135:44] the conversation [135:45] Chris Valatin responds, "You're going to [135:48] have to understand that I have no [135:49] authority over Shawn." [135:51] Wait, what? [135:54] What? [135:56] Patricia King, Chayon, they brought it [135:58] to you for some reason, right, Chris? [136:01] You then started an investigation, [136:02] right? You have no no authority over [136:05] Sean. I don't know what authority you [136:06] think you have to have to hold someone [136:08] accountable who you've brought into your [136:09] network and you've put on stage and [136:10] you've introduced as your most trusted [136:12] friend. At least Bethl has collectively [136:14] cuz Bill Johnson, he speaks for you, [136:16] too. Um, [136:19] you you have a place to do this. But now [136:21] he has no authority. So, I have no [136:22] authority over Sean. He doesn't work for [136:24] me. He doesn't belong to my [136:25] organization. And I flew down to meet [136:27] him and spent the entire day there and [136:28] flew back. I asked him to clean up his [136:30] mess. And he's evidently decided not to. [136:33] We've decided to not have him minister [136:35] in our network anymore and made it very [136:37] clear that until he repents, you can't [136:39] have any influence in anything that we [136:41] do. if he worked for me or was licensed [136:43] through our organization or even had a [136:45] deeper connection to us. Deeper [136:46] connection. We'll talk more about the [136:48] deep connection in a minute. Remember, [136:49] these are the guys that made Shawn the [136:52] household name in the Charismatics, you [136:54] know, in that in that stream. [136:57] Deeper connection. [137:00] All you have to do is tweet. Just tweet [137:02] out publicly, Sean Bulls is a fraud and [137:03] he is a sexual deviant and everybody [137:07] needs to be warned about him. You [137:08] wouldn't have to say anything else and [137:10] it would have worked. [137:11] Anyway, he says, "If you worked for me [137:13] or was licensed through our our [137:14] organization or even had a deeper [137:16] connection to us, I would certainly be [137:17] able to do more, if you feel you need to [137:19] sue him, then maybe that's what you [137:21] should do." Again, I'm not telling you [137:22] to do that for legal clarity reasons, [137:25] maybe. I don't know. And I'm just [137:27] telling you that if you want to take [137:28] this further, then I would recommend [137:30] that you do something that light a fire [137:31] under him. Remember that phrase, [137:33] lighting a fire under him. I'm very [137:35] sorry for your pain. I totally [137:36] understand how you feel. It's just that [137:38] we have no authority in his life. They [137:40] have no ability to control Shawn [137:42] whatsoever. [137:43] You're going to find out a lot more uh [137:45] soon enough. But this is the bail point. [137:48] The bail point is ah he's not going to [137:49] listen to us. Well, privately we'll [137:51] confront will work, but we're not going [137:54] to publicly do anything. Then Chris, um [137:58] it appears as though he was sending the [138:00] me, you know, I said for legal reasons, [138:02] right? So, it appears as though he took [138:04] the message he just sent over to my [138:06] witness and he sent it to somebody, [138:08] meant to send it to somebody else. So, [138:09] he copied it and he accidentally pasted [138:11] it back into the same thread. So, he [138:14] says, "This was my response." And then [138:15] he has the exact same statement again. [138:18] Uh, but there's more. [138:21] The response to this came from my [138:24] witness who says, "Chris, I do [138:26] understand that you have no authority [138:27] over Shawn and his ministry. I do. [138:29] However, that doesn't wash you or [138:32] Bethl's hands of Shawn. And I'm like, [138:34] yeah, go guy. I won't use any names [138:36] here, but uh this is so good what he's [138:38] about to say. I wouldn't know of Shawn's [138:40] ministry or know Shawn personally if it [138:42] wasn't for Shawn speaking at Bethl. I [138:45] resigned my job at Bethl and moved to LA [138:49] thinking Shawn was trustworthy and the [138:51] real deal because of his influence at [138:52] Bethl. Or maybe because Bill said, "Our [138:54] most trusted friend, one of our most [138:56] trusted friends." [138:58] Maybe because Teresa Debon introduced [139:00] him as like one of the greatest [139:02] prophetic voices on the planet. [139:06] He says, "I trusted that he that the [139:07] leadership at Bethl wouldn't allow Shawn [139:09] to speak if he wasn't trustworthy. Shawn [139:11] wouldn't have one-third of his following [139:13] if Bethl had not given him a platform. I [139:16] appreciate you and Bethl taking a stand [139:18] and not allowing Shawn to have influence [139:20] in your network. What about people that [139:22] don't hold leadership positions in your [139:24] network?" Good question. [139:26] the normal people that follow Shawn [139:28] because they were introduced to him by [139:29] Bethl's wide reach and influence and [139:31] continue to do so because they are [139:33] aren't aware of what Shawn has done. [139:35] Will there be a statement from Bethl? [139:36] Maybe this would light a fire under [139:38] Shawn. Wouldn't that have been amazing? [139:40] If I don't know 2017, [139:44] 2015, 16 there had been a public [139:46] statement. I I bet you that would have [139:48] saved a lot of people a lot of pain and [139:50] suffering. [139:54] Will there be a statement from Bethl? [139:56] Maybe this would light a fire under [139:57] Shawn. Chris, if you don't mind lighting [139:59] fires, light one yourself. I know Bethl [140:02] has been in talks with TBN about having [140:03] their own channel. Maybe this has [140:05] happened already. Um, but what about [140:08] Matt and Lorie Crouch, the TBN people? I [140:10] highly doubt they would continue to give [140:12] Shawn influence if they were aware of [140:13] Bethl's change in relationship with him. [140:15] Maybe this would light a fire under [140:16] Shawn. I'm not so sure if that's [140:18] entirely true. Uh, he had a a presence. [140:20] He had a show on TBN up until it was [140:22] finally, very loudly, very publicly [140:24] shouted and all of a sudden they [140:26] disappeared it. Right. Why does Bethl's [140:28] online store still offer Shawn's [140:30] resources if Shawn can't have influence? [140:33] Good question, Chris. I think these are [140:35] valid questions. If you understand how I [140:37] feel, you'll understand where I'm They [140:40] probably think you said coming from or [140:41] something like that there. So then [140:42] January 9th, 2021, he says, "I'd [140:45] appreciate a response to my three [140:47] questions." [140:49] See, because Chris didn't respond to [140:51] him. On the 18th, he said, "I have no [140:53] authority over Shawn." Then on December [140:54] 29th, the reply is, "Hey, here's some [140:57] questions I have for you. I don't think [140:58] this absolves you guys. You should take [141:00] action." Then January 9th, finally, [141:04] there's another message from the the the [141:07] witness saying, "I'd appreciate a [141:09] response to my three questions, Chris. [141:10] This is now 2021. I don't want to go [141:12] outside the BETHL stream because I know [141:14] it will cause damage to Bethl." Now, [141:16] that is the thing that Bethl cares [141:17] about. out there like we do not want [141:18] that. I've spoken to a few sources that [141:21] are ready to run with the info if Bethl [141:22] doesn't do the right thing and warn the [141:24] body of Christ. And I know it will [141:26] appear like my situation and the [141:28] fraudulent words of knowledge are being [141:29] covered up by Bethl. Is it it does [141:31] appear that way? It does now. It didn't [141:33] have to. It does now. [141:36] I'm trying to do the right thing. In [141:37] regards to question number one, I don't [141:39] expect you all to necessarily be [141:40] specific in your statement, but at least [141:42] warn the body of Christ about Shawn. I [141:44] look forward to your response. This is a [141:46] perfectly modest request and he's saying [141:49] like if you don't do it, it may come out [141:52] without you. Okay. And um they still [141:55] didn't still didn't do it. Here's the [141:57] response from Chris. At this point, we [142:00] don't intend to make a public statement [142:01] about Shawn. As you pointed out, a [142:03] public statement wouldn't just hurt [142:05] Shawn, but the entire prophetic ministry [142:08] worldwide. [142:10] It was actually his statement that it [142:11] would hurt Bethl, as in hurt their [142:12] reputation because of what it would look [142:14] like to people. and it will and it's [142:16] going to do that right now. Um, as it as [142:18] it has since it came out, since it all [142:20] started coming out. It's just I'm making [142:22] it uh more loud. Um, [142:25] but Chris's response is that it would [142:27] hurt the entire prophetic ministry [142:29] worldwide. That exposing a fake sexual [142:32] harassing, deviant fake prophet, that [142:36] that would hurt God's ministry of [142:39] prophetic work around the world. Really? [142:44] really [142:45] delusions of grandeur here or something [142:48] something weird's going on because that [142:49] is that is nuts. You know what it will [142:51] do to the prophetic ministry to expose [142:52] the frauds? It will purify it. You know [142:54] what God did to the prophetic ministry [142:56] in the time of Jeremiah? He sent [142:57] Jeremiah out there and he was he was [142:59] like confront these fake prophets who [143:00] prophesied dreams that I didn't give [143:02] them who prophesied the desires of their [143:04] own hearts as though they're coming from [143:06] me. And he sent Jeremiah to confront [143:07] him. Could you imagine like whose side [143:10] would Chris have been on? Would he be [143:11] like, "Well, Jeremiah, I don't know if [143:12] you should do this. you're going to hurt [143:13] the prophetic ministry worldwide. [143:16] I don't know. [143:18] I noticed that Shawn doesn't do words of [143:19] knowledge anymore. Now, the excuses [143:21] start to come. We're going to walk [143:22] through this in detail. I noticed he [143:25] claims Shawn doesn't do words of [143:26] knowledge anymore. That was not true. I [143:27] also think that he lost his house. At [143:29] least that's what I heard. Uh he did [143:31] downsize. That was the phrase Shawn [143:33] used. He downsized. It seems I don't [143:36] know if it's true, but it seems like it. [143:38] I have no relationship with him anymore [143:40] and I don't want one. I also heard that [143:42] he has increased his accountability [143:43] going forward. Remember he says that [143:45] because I think this is like this is [143:46] like gobbledegoo corporate speak or [143:48] something. Um supposedly increased his [143:51] accountability. I understand that he [143:52] hasn't cleaned up his mess, but it looks [143:54] like he's changed his prophetic [143:55] ministry. He's changed. [143:58] This is damage control. Now what Shawn [144:01] did is Shawn stopped giving these words [144:04] of knowledge because everybody knew [144:05] about it. Because every time he did it, [144:07] they would go on Facebook to prove what [144:08] he was doing was fake. And it was like [144:11] the gig is up, you know, as soon as you [144:13] know how the magician does the trick, [144:14] he's like, I probably shouldn't keep [144:15] doing that trick. They all know how I'm [144:16] doing it. They're like watching the [144:18] wrong hand and they see the thing I did. [144:20] So yeah, he stopped doing that in [144:22] public, but he still gives vague [144:23] prophetic words constantly. He still [144:24] gives private prophetic words as I'll [144:26] share evidence of that. So he's still [144:27] manipulating people with prophecy all [144:29] the time. He goes on and says, "We no [144:31] longer have a contract with TBN. I [144:33] haven't seen Matt Crouch in over a year, [144:34] but I'm not going to take the role of [144:36] going from ministry to ministry and [144:38] telling them that Shawn was giving bad [144:39] prophetic words. Oh, just just tweet it [144:41] one time, Chris. That's all it takes. I [144:43] don't have time to do that. I have no [144:45] desire to call around every time I see [144:47] Shawn on a new platform. Here's the [144:48] thing. That's not what the witness asked [144:50] him to do. What he asked him to do was [144:52] to make a public statement because then [144:54] it would just go wildfire. It would take [144:56] care of itself. If Bethl made a public [144:57] statement that was intended to be [144:59] public, it wasn't just to staff and it [145:00] wasn't just to Bethl alumni and it [145:02] wasn't just to like some small. It was [145:03] rather here's Bethl as a as a church [145:06] that has worldwide impact that has [145:08] lifted up this guy for the world to be a [145:09] prophet. Here's us saying we're sorry. [145:11] We have found out that he has a [145:13] fraudulent ministry and everyone who's [145:15] had a word from him, you need to you [145:16] need to test it again. He's also [145:18] disqualified because of some things that [145:20] he's done wrongly to employees of his. [145:22] um you could have just even that much [145:24] would have made a huge difference and [145:26] then they would not have come to me. [145:27] These witnesses would not have come to [145:28] me saying Mike please go ahead and tell [145:30] our story. They would not have come and [145:33] it would have been a better like I would [145:35] have preferred it too. That would have [145:36] been much better. Just just like I [145:38] reached out to Sean before I made this [145:39] video and I mean like months and months [145:41] ago like I think February of last year I [145:42] reached out like a year ago almost [145:44] saying hey it's better if you just come [145:46] forward. Come and defend yourself if [145:47] these things aren't true. You're saying [145:48] they're not true. Um, and then later I [145:51] reached out again and said, "It's better [145:52] that you just go forward and tell the [145:54] truth. I'd rather you do that than me [145:55] make a video." That the closer you can [145:57] get the exposure to the actual people [145:59] doing it, the more health that is to the [146:00] body, the more integrity that restores [146:02] into those ministries. But when it comes [146:03] from as far out as me, that is not going [146:07] to be it's just going to look bad for [146:09] you guys. And because it should. Uh, [146:11] it's just how it is. [146:13] So, he says, "I haven't seen Matt [146:14] Crouch. I'm not going to go door to door [146:16] and all this stuff." Then he says uh [146:17] towards the bottom here, I don't have [146:19] time to do that. I have no desire to [146:20] call around every time I see Shawn on a [146:21] new platform. I've told many leaders in [146:23] our network about Shawn's dishonest [146:25] prophetic ministry. And then he says, [146:26] most of them have canceled him. [146:29] So he was obviously convinced that Shawn [146:32] was guilty, right? Like that that seems [146:34] very clear. Sean's definitely guilty cuz [146:37] you wouldn't you wouldn't warn people [146:38] about a guy who's not guilty. We also [146:42] know that Chayon pushed it to you [146:44] because he thought you were the right [146:45] guy for the job. or at least that that's [146:46] what the testimony I've heard suggests. [146:49] Um, we also know that Shawn's book [146:53] shows the kind of relationship you guys [146:55] had. Allow me to now read from Shawn's [146:57] book. [146:59] Put me back on the screen here. Shawn [147:02] BS's book. Here's Randy Clark's [147:04] endorsement. I not only want to [147:06] recommend the book, I want to recommend [147:08] the author. Shawn has developed into a [147:11] very healthy prophetic minister and some [147:13] very powerful and accurate words that [147:15] have greatly encouraged many. [147:19] Shouldn't Randy Clark say something [147:20] publicly about Shawn if after that [147:21] endorsement? What about James Gaul who I [147:24] would I've dubbed him the newspaper [147:26] prophet because I believe he was getting [147:27] prophecies from newspaper speculation. [147:30] He was reading the papers and [147:31] speculating and the stuff he got right [147:33] and wrong looked like it came from the [147:34] newspaper or from news reporting. [147:36] Anyways, James Gaul, another leader in [147:38] the movement says, "I've personally [147:40] known Shawn BS and observed his ministry [147:42] journey for well over 20 years. The book [147:45] you hold in your hands is the fruit of [147:47] joining the generations. [147:49] With years under his belt, a giftedness [147:52] that is undeniable, and a lifestyle that [147:54] exalts Christ Jesus, it is my honor to [147:56] commend to you the ministry and writings [147:58] of Shawn BS." There's others. C. Peter [148:01] Wagner endorses this. Bobby Connor [148:03] endorses this. Georgian Banov endorses [148:06] this. Eric Johnson, Bill Johnson's son. [148:08] I'll read what he wrote. It is not often [148:10] that we get to see a prophetic gift [148:12] mature in front of our eyes. I'm so [148:15] thankful for Shawn Bulls and his [148:16] approach to life and the nature of God. [148:18] The maturing, by the way, is in 2013, [148:21] Facebook's become searchable and all of [148:22] a sudden Shawn's able to prophesy way [148:24] way more accurately about people's [148:26] lives, words of knowledge. Um, that's [148:28] the maturing that I think he's referring [148:30] to. I'm so thankful for Shawn Bulls, [148:32] Eric Johnson says, and his approach to [148:34] life and the nature of God. Our people [148:35] here at Bethl Church reading have been [148:38] deeply impacted over the years by what [148:40] Shawn carries. Oh man, if that hasn't [148:42] changed meaning since he wrote it, [148:44] they've been deeply impacted. That's [148:46] true. Over the years by what Shawn [148:47] carries, whatever that is. Every time he [148:50] visits our church, we experience [148:51] promotion and increase. Translating God, [148:54] that's the name of the book. Translating [148:57] God is a must-read for anyone interested [148:59] in learning how God sees people and how [149:01] he interacts and engages with us. It [149:03] will take you to another level. They're [149:04] always selling. The selling point is [149:06] always next level of spiritual stuff. [149:09] We've got endorsements from Mickey [149:10] Robinson, Johnny Enlo, Lance Wallnau, [149:12] Sean Fo, [149:15] Fatine, I cannot pronounce that person's [149:18] name. to Jonathan Welton, Senu McIll, [149:21] Bishop Joseph Garlington, and also Benny [149:24] Johnson, Bill Johnson's wife, who wrote [149:26] the following. Shawn, as a young boy and [149:28] now as an adult, has stewarded the [149:30] prophetic in a natural way that has been [149:32] beautiful to watch. [149:35] Really, [149:37] I don't think that's true. And there's [149:39] other endorsers, too. Then on the back [149:41] of his book, Sean talks about, and you [149:43] can see it, you can see it here. If [149:45] you're those of you who really want to [149:46] pause and zoom in, you can read it. I'll [149:48] read it to you. He thanks Chayon here. [149:51] I'll read a couple of them. [149:54] Here's [149:56] several. I want to thank Mike Bickl and [149:58] everyone involved in my prophetic [150:00] development during my time in Kansas [150:01] City. [150:04] Mike Bickl exposed as a guy who would [150:06] use prophecy to abuse people and women [150:08] in particular. I want to thank Rick [150:10] Joiner and Morning Star Ministries for [150:12] being pioneers and for receiving me as [150:14] an extended family member. Rick, David [150:16] Yarns, and the rest of the Morning Star [150:17] friends. I'm I'm grateful. I want to [150:19] thank Heidi and Roland Baker for [150:21] modeling what hearing God's voice can do [150:22] to transform the poor of the earth. You [150:24] have personally grounded me in the love [150:26] that this book speaks of just by example [150:28] and the time we spent together. I want [150:30] to thank Chay and Suan and Hrock and Him [150:34] for being so good for my growth and [150:36] heart. Thanks for the relationship and [150:37] all the opportunities to grow and give [150:40] away who I am. I love being part of the [150:42] family. Finally, I want to thank Bill [150:45] and Benny Johnson and the Johnson [150:47] family, Chris and Kathy Valatin, Danny [150:49] and Sher Silk for the and the rest of my [150:52] Bethl family. [150:54] You give me such great joy to be part of [150:56] your family. There are too many of you [150:58] to name, so I'm sticking with the moms [150:59] and dads. Thank you for being the place [151:02] of love and faith and for giving grace [151:04] for this new prophetic season to emerge. [151:06] Right? That's his launching pad was in [151:08] Bethl. Later turns into we have no [151:10] authority over Sean. It's not my job to [151:11] go around and tell people about him and [151:13] warn him about him. These endorsements [151:15] mean you have to publicly because you [151:17] publicly put him on stage. You launched [151:19] him. You you got to be the guy the guys [151:22] who try to help shut him down for the [151:24] sake of the benefit of the body of [151:25] Christ. Do you love your people is the [151:27] question or do you love your movement? [151:38] Now, let's talk about some of the [151:39] justifications that are in this [151:43] um response, this uh text message from [151:45] Chris. He says Shawn doesn't do words of [151:47] knowledge anymore. Uh that is actually [151:49] not true. Uh there's a clip from Sean's [151:52] uh YouTube channel, November 8th, 2024, [151:54] that shows that pro the prophetic and [151:57] words um and operating in words were [152:00] still core to his ministry, right? His [152:03] prophetic stuff is is ongoing. It's just [152:05] shifted in the same sense that you you [152:08] go underground. You know, Benny Hinn [152:10] tries to only ask people to give $10,000 [152:13] when there's not a camera around now. [152:15] Like he tends to do that um because he [152:18] said he would never do it again. So, you [152:19] can still catch him on camera doing it [152:20] sometimes, but he'll just he'll just be [152:22] more careful about how he does it. [152:23] That's what cover-up culture does. So, [152:26] here's Sean talking about his ongoing [152:28] prophetic ministry and how there's a lot [152:31] here. He's going to defend himself. He's [152:33] going to deny the accusations. He's [152:34] going to show that he still prophesies [152:36] and we'll show that these excuses that [152:38] Chris gave were we're were not we're not [152:40] good. To set this video up, you just [152:42] need to know that Shawn had prophesied [152:45] Trump would have two terms. Uh obviously [152:47] Trump has had two terms now and that's [152:49] why he came out made this video. He's [152:50] like vindicated. I'm we're vindicated. [152:53] Um and he still says he kind of messed [152:54] up, but they're kind of vindicated and [152:56] they're kind of playing games with it. [152:57] But that's the backdrop is there was [153:00] this time he prophesied Trump would win [153:01] in 2020. He said Trump would have two [153:03] terms. He would be in office in 2020, [153:06] right? From 2020 through 2024, [153:09] 2021 to 24, he's going to be in office. [153:11] And that's not what happened. So he [153:14] later apologized for it and he came [153:16] under a lot of fire. Around the same [153:17] time these allegations started coming [153:19] out more publicly faking prophecy and [153:22] and then behind the scenes the sexual [153:24] allegations were also coming out. Sean's [153:26] having talks with Danny and Chris and [153:29] he's denying everything. Okay, that's [153:31] the context of this conversation. Now [153:33] listen [153:34] >> and I prophesied on a national format [153:36] and then Fox News called me and said, [153:38] "Is Trump going to win it again?" And I [153:39] said, "Yes, absolutely. I see a second [153:41] term." And so the problem was the second [153:44] term didn't come right away and the [153:46] warfare that came against prophetic [153:48] people and Christians in that moment [153:50] both secularly in society and then also [153:53] in the church in movements whole [153:54] movements who didn't know what to do and [153:56] how to stand. [153:56] >> So he he generally you'll see this couch [154:00] uh this issue as like oh it's not really [154:03] about me it's about the warfare against [154:04] everybody. It's kind of like when Chris [154:05] was told, "This is going to make Bethl [154:06] look bad." And he goes, "You're right. [154:07] It would be bad for the prophetic [154:09] movement worldwide, right?" Like, it's [154:11] it's that kind of thing. [154:12] >> With that, I had I mean, I've been [154:13] around for 30 years in, you know, church [154:15] cultures. I've been kind of a staple to [154:18] a lot of charismatic churches and [154:19] charismatic movements and pastors were [154:21] mad and then they start to accuse us of [154:23] researching stuff on Facebook. And I [154:25] mean, this whole attack came where it's [154:26] like, you've done all these things that [154:28] are wrong and you did and all of it was [154:30] false. And I had to say, I don't agree. [154:33] And then during that time, I was also [154:34] pivoting to to go after social [154:35] commentary, media, and production. [154:38] >> Chris presented the pivot as he's no [154:40] longer doing words of knowledge. He's [154:42] moving away from prophecy. He's [154:43] reshaping his ministry. He has increased [154:45] accountability. I know he hasn't cleaned [154:46] up his mess, but there was a bunch of [154:48] things to kind of like soften and it was [154:50] all damage control. And the way he talks [154:52] about it now, he goes, I was pivoting I [154:54] was just pivoting my ministry in a way [154:55] that was it was that all the accusations [154:57] were false. All of the accusations were [154:59] false. also digging up words of [155:00] knowledge and then he just vaguely says [155:02] all of the accusations which implies [155:04] these other ones which were uh I believe [155:06] true [155:07] >> and it was such a perfect storm for [155:09] prophetic people. Some prophetic people [155:10] got annihilated by the New York Times [155:12] and Washington Post and all these [155:14] >> these poor prophetic people. They're not [155:17] they weren't prophetic. That's exactly [155:18] it. They're not prophetic at all. And [155:20] they got exposed when they falsely [155:22] predicted something that didn't happen [155:23] and it was a global event [155:25] >> different places and all these rumors [155:28] came. It was really easy to believe the [155:29] worst about people. For 2 years, I [155:31] didn't prophesy anything publicly. That [155:33] was [155:34] >> publicly [155:36] I'm I'm going to play this back again. [155:38] He's going to say for two years he [155:40] didn't prophesy anything publicly. [155:42] He stopped for a season for two years [155:45] again not permanently um because of the [155:49] heat of the moment and while denying the [155:51] accusations. This is called damage [155:53] control. This is called cover up [155:54] culture. This is called dodging [155:55] accountability. And Chris seemed okay [155:58] with that. [155:59] >> Washington Post and all these different [156:01] places and all these rumors came and it [156:04] was really easy to believe the worst [156:05] about people for two years. I didn't [156:07] prophesy anything publicly that was a [156:09] big word for politics or a big word for [156:11] the corporate church. I stayed real [156:13] quiet. I just I was like I want to just [156:15] really see God. And part of it was [156:17] because I had warfare of some movements [156:18] I love who accused me of things that [156:21] weren't true. And I wanted to rebalance. [156:23] I was like, there's a a demand put on [156:25] the prophetic gifts and some of the [156:26] offices of prophet like mine that was [156:28] wrong. It was a wrong demand that was [156:30] and I wanted to realign myself to God [156:32] and then be able to realign myself after [156:34] that to speak to churches and movements [156:36] in the right way. And [156:38] >> I want to throw up when I hear him say [156:39] stuff like this. It's ridiculous. It was [156:42] the wrong demand that was placed. Dude, [156:44] you created the super profit expectation [156:47] and then you failed and then you're [156:49] like, you guys expected too much of me. [156:51] Um, what you want is no accountability. [156:53] You want to be the super prophet. And [156:56] this is at least how it all looks to me. [156:57] This is at my best understanding. [156:59] Everything I share with you is my best [157:00] understanding of things that I uh I [157:03] think are [157:06] they need to be known. So yeah, he goes [157:08] on. He he couches it like a spiritual [157:10] warfare and bad expectations. And he's [157:13] got two cheerleaders here. these guys [157:14] who I hope that God opens their eyes and [157:16] they realize that their sincere love for [157:18] God is being manipulated by guys like [157:20] Shawn BS [157:21] >> and during that time I stayed really [157:22] connected to people like Bill Johnson [157:24] still connected to him stay really [157:26] really connected to uh TBN and our TBN [157:29] family Matt and Lorie Crouch stayed [157:31] really connected to of course Bob and [157:33] Lauren Hass who you guys know really [157:34] well and and I I realigned and I [157:37] reshaped with [157:38] >> Okay, Bob and Lauren Hass. So Bob Hass [157:40] is on Sean's board. I think he's still [157:42] on the board. He was on the board when [157:44] my witness reached out and talked to [157:48] every board member he could, past and [157:50] present board members, and asked them to [157:52] hold Shawn accountable and be aware of [157:53] what was going on. And ultimately, Shawn [157:56] was not held accountable. And the [157:58] conversations went something along the [158:00] lines of, "Tell us what you know, what [158:02] names do you know, what names do you [158:03] know?" And they wouldn't give him [158:04] information. And uh it it ended up being [158:08] like, "What is really going on here?" [158:09] Um, so that that's how it was reported [158:12] to me and I entirely believe that's true [158:15] because I have things I can't tell you [158:17] about that I know. But um, but yeah, so [158:20] Sean Foy was on his board. He was made [158:21] aware of these things. Uh, now at some [158:23] point he's got off his board reportedly. [158:26] But this is weird. The timing is weird [158:28] because at one point he claims [158:31] basically there's filings, legal filings [158:33] that show Sean was on the board at a [158:35] point at which he had told someone he [158:37] wasn't. But then I think Sean has [158:38] deceived or misled people quite a bit [158:40] about a lot of things. So I'm not [158:41] surprised. [158:43] But Sean Foy told the witness, I I don't [158:46] know what you're I didn't know about [158:47] that stuff. I didn't I didn't know about [158:48] that. I was unaware of that. Yet Chris [158:50] Valadin's message was going to be I I [158:52] talked to the board members and I asked [158:54] them to pull him out and they don't want [158:55] to do it. I don't know why. [158:57] So both those things can't be true. What [158:59] is the truth? I don't I don't know. I [159:02] don't know. Was Chris posturing to make [159:04] himself look good so that he was off the [159:06] hook? this this person wasn't upset with [159:08] him. Um, or was it was it true? And [159:12] Chris is upset because he's like, "Why [159:13] don't you guys pull him out? You should [159:14] pull him out." I I don't know. [159:17] It's it's it's very difficult to know [159:19] because once the trust is damaged, all [159:22] you have is putting together the pieces [159:23] and trying to figure out what really [159:25] happened. [159:28] God, what the prophetic is supposed to [159:30] look like in my life after what we [159:32] experienced, which was a major attack, [159:34] the worst attack of my life against my [159:36] reputation. So, I do think that this was [159:38] a a huge coordinated Jezebel attack the [159:41] entire time. That was the worst I've [159:43] ever seen in history. [159:44] >> Now, when he says a huge coordinated [159:46] Jezebel attack, he means the attack [159:48] against him and also because of the [159:50] context of the clip, make sure you [159:51] understand this, also the attack against [159:53] all of the other prophetic people, [159:55] right? who were a lot of fake prophecies [159:58] stuff going on there. He says during [160:00] this time clearly said I stayed [160:02] connected close with Bill Johnson and [160:04] close with Matt and Lorie Crouch and [160:06] close with and he names some names Bob [160:08] Hassen and it is it is in fact in 2023 [160:13] when Bill Johnson went and endorsed him [160:16] personally his character and his book [160:18] again even after knowing that a lot of [160:20] the stories that he read that he writes [160:23] about in here are things that would have [160:25] either not happened or or happened from [160:28] digging up people's data on the internet [160:30] and they're pretending like he had [160:31] prophecy. Here's another piece from his [160:34] book, by the way, that I thought was [160:35] pretty interesting where he says that [160:37] Paul Kaine is a p was a personal friend [160:39] of mine. He was a personal friend of [160:41] yours and a mentor to me because you're [160:44] walking in his footsteps, [160:47] his disgusting footsteps. [160:50] You're going to learn more about that [160:52] today as well. So, the things that Chris [160:55] said were simply not true and and simply [160:57] not good enough, right? Because Shawn [160:59] affected so many people. Take a look at [161:02] how many people he affected in his own [161:03] words. [161:04] >> My friends and family. I mean, I've [161:06] traveled all around the world. So, I've [161:07] been everywhere from all over Asia and [161:08] Thailand and um Cambodia and and [161:11] Indonesia and Korea and Singapore and [161:14] Malaysia and all those kinds of places, [161:16] China, but I've also been, you know, [161:17] throughout Africa, throughout South [161:19] America. You have to realize when I used [161:21] to be on the road, so if I traveled 70 [161:23] times a year, I would have, you know, [161:27] seven to 20 prophetic words for [161:29] individuals, whether it's a leadership [161:30] team behind the scenes, whether it's [161:32] people ministry, plus I'd have two or [161:34] three governmental words or local words [161:37] or church words. So when you count those [161:39] up, it's hundreds of thousands of words [161:41] a year. I was giving. And now I don't [161:44] have all that, which is great. So I have [161:45] more consistent time where I just have [161:47] my relational network and I'm so praying [161:49] and continuing will give me words to [161:51] connect to and I don't strive for that [161:52] but I just I want to be deliberate [161:54] because I see what the prophetic does [161:56] calling us forward. [161:58] >> He isn't doing that's great. He says he [162:01] knows it's not great. He he liked it [162:03] better when he could do all he can be [162:04] more public but there's too much [162:05] accountability now, right? He's got to [162:07] like still lay low. Um, he does plan on [162:09] ramping back up, it seems, from the way [162:11] he talks about these things, but he's [162:13] still giving private words to people. I [162:15] still have my relational network. Now, [162:17] what kind of relational network does a [162:18] guy like Shawn Bulls have? Well, it will [162:20] probably include money, money, money, [162:22] donors, people with a lot of money. And [162:24] Sean has special words of knowledge for [162:26] them. I'm going to talk about a couple [162:27] who Sean gave a special word of [162:29] knowledge to special uh insight from the [162:32] Holy Spirit supposedly and then was [162:34] trying to get their money money and they [162:37] are helping us blow the whistle on not [162:39] only Sean but others in the movement too [162:42] that were doing the same thing to them. [162:44] So at least I that's how I interpret it. [162:46] You can interpret it yourself. I'll just [162:47] share with you what I know. What is the [162:50] rest of this? Let's see. [162:51] >> It calls us to action. It calls us to [162:53] calls us higher. So my friendship world, [162:55] I want to call them higher. Every year I [162:57] pray for my whole friendship circle that [163:00] I feel signed to pray for prophetically. [163:02] But at the same time, it gives me more [163:03] room now because now I'm in media. So [163:05] that's why we're releasing the prophetic [163:07] word or perspective with each show [163:09] because I feel like it helps people to [163:10] wrap their faith around something [163:12] prophetically. And sometimes they get [163:13] more specific words and sometimes they [163:15] get more generic words. [163:18] >> Yeah, he is a rambler, this guy. So [163:22] Sean is still h he still has prophecy as [163:25] a key part of his ministry. And if you [163:26] go to his YouTube channel, I did this [163:28] and you look at his videos, his best [163:30] performing videos um there there's some [163:32] outliers, but uh in general, his better [163:35] performing videos are going to be ones [163:37] where it says something about prophecy. [163:38] He has a prophetic word about this, a [163:39] prophetic word about this. And then the [163:41] ones where he's just bringing a teaching [163:42] or a lecture of some kind, the views [163:44] tend to be pretty low. They're not very [163:46] good. [163:49] So Sean is still engaging in a prophetic [163:53] ministry. He's still probably [163:54] fundraising through the use of his [163:56] supposed prophetic gift. And [164:00] the warning still needs to go out [164:02] because guys like this will lay low and [164:04] then they'll just do it again. I know [164:05] that sounds crazy, but that's exactly [164:08] what these guys have done in the past. [164:10] They just lay low and then they keep [164:12] going. They just lay a little bit lower [164:13] and they keep going. that Mike Bickl [164:16] right now, even after being exposed for [164:17] having what was it 17 victims, um is [164:20] just going to try to keep going. He's [164:21] kicking back up. His sister had a [164:23] special word of prophecy, God is [164:26] restoring him. And um Bob Jones, he [164:30] continued he after he perversely fake [164:34] prophesied to two women so that he could [164:37] I'm going to give the details here. Skip [164:38] it if you don't want to hear it. so that [164:40] he could get them to take their clothes [164:41] off and for them to receive a special [164:42] anointing from God, he had to place his [164:45] mouth upon where you think um their you [164:49] know their top and uh as a as a a [164:52] nursing [164:54] anointing. Anyway, he did this, right? [164:56] He was busted for it in the early 90s [164:58] and still in the 2000s, Bethl has him at [165:01] their church guiding people in trips to [165:03] heaven which were clearly fake. Clearly [165:05] fake. [165:07] The coverup culture is insane [165:10] and Sean is just laying low unless he [165:13] gets really publicly exposed and the [165:16] leaders won't stand for it because I [165:18] think only only then do you really get [165:21] the change the transformation. [165:23] But if you hold him accountable does [165:26] that mean they'll be held accountable [165:27] too. Um who knows how much is going on [165:29] there. Back to that text message [165:31] conversation. There's a lot more in here [165:33] that's very important for me to share [165:34] with you guys in 2021. Um, Chris [165:38] continues and says, "This is early 2020 [165:40] 21 at this point. Others have called me [165:42] and asked what I think and I told them [165:45] the truth about Shawn's antics." That is [165:47] actually pretty key because I did a [165:49] video with Elijah Stevens who Shawn lied [165:52] to, fake prophesied to. Elijah spent his [165:54] much of his life savings on it. It [165:56] damaged his marriage. It caused him [165:58] serious PTSD when he started hearing [166:00] whispers uh that seemed credible to him [166:02] that Shawn was actually fake and that [166:05] the prophetic word that he gave Elijah [166:07] based upon him knowing Elijah's like [166:08] name and family members names and all [166:10] this stuff that maybe that came from [166:12] Facebook when he started thinking that [166:14] that really might have been fake. It [166:16] freaked him out and he reached out to [166:18] Chris and he said, "Chris, tell me was [166:19] it real?" And Chris did not warn him, [166:22] right? He gave a vague kind of half [166:25] answer. He didn't actually tell him the [166:27] truth. Right here, he says, "Others have [166:28] called me and asked me what I think. I [166:30] told them the truth about Shawn's [166:31] antics. He actually didn't do that with [166:33] the one person I know who did call him [166:35] and ask him what he thought. [166:37] I didn't realize that Shawn's books were [166:39] still in our bookstore." He says, "I [166:41] will have them taken out of the store [166:42] and off our site. I did have a [166:44] conversation with him about 4 months ago [166:45] and told him that he wasn't to ask any [166:47] of our team to be on his podcast." This [166:50] creates distance. It might feel like [166:52] accountability to some, but ultimately [166:54] it just creates distance. And then Shawn [166:56] is able to eventually continue doing his [166:59] ministry at maybe a smaller level, but [167:01] he can still victimize people and do all [167:03] kinds of evil things. I told him that he [167:05] needs to clean up his mess before he has [167:07] a relationship with any of our people. [167:09] I've also told our entire team that they [167:11] are not to minister with Shawn or have [167:13] him in any of their ministries. I would [167:15] have thought Elijah was a team member. [167:16] We showed how he taught at some at some [167:18] of your school stuff, but you didn't [167:20] tell him. And even when he asked, he [167:22] wasn't told. And Dan Fairley, Dan [167:25] Fairley, pastor at Bethl, told Elijah he [167:28] didn't know about Shawn. He wasn't he [167:30] didn't really know what the truth was [167:31] about Shawn. But here, Chris says he [167:32] told the entire team. I mean, Dan [167:34] Fairley's there's top three guys at [167:36] Bethl or four guys, excuse me, at BETHL. [167:38] You got Bill, you got Chris, you got Dan [167:40] Danny Silk, and you have Dan Fairley. [167:44] Did Dan Fairley just lie? [167:49] That's what it looks like. [167:52] I've also had a conversation with Bethl [167:53] Music leadership and team and told them [167:56] about Shawn's situation. They've agreed [167:57] to ban him from their ministry. And then [167:59] he says, "I heard Shawn really isn't [168:00] getting invited anywhere." And Shawn has [168:02] not been doing much public speaking. [168:03] That's for sure. Um because he's [168:05] basically got leprosy. He's the leper. [168:07] If you you [168:08] use him for something, you're going to [168:10] have a bunch of people on your back. [168:11] Social media is going to be all over it. [168:13] And that's the real issue is we don't [168:14] want the mob. We don't want the social [168:15] media. Let us do our thing. Stop trying [168:17] to hold people accountable. But [168:20] is Chris convinced that Shawn is guilty? [168:23] That's the big question. The very, very [168:24] important question. Does Chris think [168:26] Shawn is guilty? Is he aware of enough [168:28] information that he believes Shawn is [168:29] guilty? Well, he bans him from [168:30] ministering in their church. He tells [168:33] Bethl Music, "Don't do anything with [168:34] them. He can't get involved until he [168:36] repents and cleans up his mess." Well, I [168:39] I I could pull him out of ministry, but [168:40] I have no authority over him. It's clear [168:42] that he believes that Shawn is guilty. [168:44] He's certainly treating him that way. [168:46] And speaking of Elijah Stevens, [168:49] after Shawn gave the word that led [168:51] Elijah down the path of spending most of [168:53] his retirement on something because he [168:54] believed God was calling him to do it, [168:56] um, and then Bethl not help dropping [168:59] just basically going like this with [169:01] Elijah afterwards. And I have a whole [169:03] giant video with evidence and emails and [169:05] texts and everything that Elijah pulled [169:06] together for us to share. So, I'll link [169:08] that below. But after that happened, [169:10] after this fake word came from the Bethl [169:12] stage to Elijah that messed up his life, [169:15] 5 days later, Chris Valadin posted on [169:17] social media, this is in 2015, is that [169:19] long ago, Shawn BS has the most powerful [169:21] word of knowledge gift I have ever [169:23] experienced. I thank God for the gifts [169:26] he gives to his people. [169:28] Couldn't you have just posted on [169:30] Facebook, Chris, Shawn BS has been [169:32] faking his words of knowledge. I'm sorry [169:34] that I fed you to him. You could have [169:37] just said that, but you couldn't be [169:40] bothered. Couldn't be bothered. All [169:42] right, this is where Chris goes on. Um, [169:44] this stuff's all so important. It's This [169:46] is going to validate a lot of the claims [169:47] that I've been making, the the things [169:49] that I'm about to share with you now to [169:50] help bring in more witnesses and more [169:52] evidences. He says, um, I heard Sean's [169:54] not getting invited places. He goes on, [169:56] I think he's trying to survive by having [169:57] people on his podcast. Several people [169:59] have called me about being on his [170:00] podcast, and I've told them what I know. [170:02] Again, Chris is the fountain of truth, [170:03] apparently, except he wasn't to Elijah. [170:06] Uh, whenever I see someone on his [170:07] podcast that I know, I text them and let [170:08] them know what's going on. So, I'm not [170:10] doing nothing. I'm not saying he never [170:12] did any of those things, but it [170:14] certainly isn't the way it comes off. [170:16] Um, we also have talked to his board [170:19] individually and together. We've asked [170:20] them to pull him out of ministry at this [170:22] point. They don't want to do that, which [170:24] is which I think is a major mistake. [170:25] Again, my guy who talked to several [170:27] board members, um, one of them said, "I [170:31] didn't even know about this stuff." Um, [170:33] and he says he wasn't on the board. I [170:35] don't know if that's really true because [170:37] the the IRS violinally said he was. [170:39] That's Sean Foy. So, uh, this is weird [170:42] stuff, right? But you realize that [170:43] there's these people who could make a [170:45] difference who simply won't. And that's [170:46] what cover-up culture does. Nobody pulls [170:48] the trigger. They'll talk about it. [170:50] They'll complain about it. They'll [170:52] distance themselves, but they'll never [170:53] pull the trigger and warn the actual [170:55] victims, the future and potential and [170:57] current victims of the person. Those are [170:58] the people they won't warn. Chris went [171:00] out of his way, according to him, to [171:01] warn leaders, to warn the important [171:03] people, but not the normal people, not [171:05] Jubilee Dawn, [171:07] not Elijah Stevens, [171:10] not the thousands and thousands and [171:12] thousands of people that Shawn had given [171:14] words to according to him. So again, [171:16] he's talking about the board, Sean's [171:17] board. We've also talked to his board [171:19] individually and together. We meaning [171:21] what? Probably Bethl, right? Bethl's [171:22] talked to them. We've asked them to pull [171:24] him out of ministry. [171:26] At this point, they don't want to do [171:27] that, which I think is a major mistake. [171:29] But they have official authority to [171:30] remove him. I honestly don't understand [171:32] why they don't. Danny laid out all the [171:34] evidence, all the all the facts and [171:36] evidence. There was a bunch of facts and [171:39] evidence you had four years ago, f [171:42] excuse me, f over five years ago now [171:43] that you had over at least five and a [171:46] half years ago, cuz that's when you were [171:47] doing the confrontation. Minimally five [171:48] and a half, closer to six. [171:51] You had facts and evidence. You were [171:53] asking to be removed from ministry and [171:55] you talk to other leaders about it. Here [171:56] he goes on. He says, "I talked to Chay [171:57] an Ed Silvoso, John Arnot, and the [172:00] Bakers about Shawn. They've all canled [172:02] them from their conferences. Ed Silvoso [172:05] was doing a major event with Shawn in [172:06] California, and he canceled him." Okay, [172:08] but why didn't any of them warn? Cuz how [172:11] do you discern the difference between [172:12] people who were merely protecting [172:13] themselves and those who were protecting [172:15] their people? Well, you you ask, did [172:18] their actions result in the protection [172:20] of individuals or just ministries? [172:27] Then he says, "My take is that God is [172:29] going to deal with him. I wouldn't want [172:30] to be in his shoes." [172:32] Finally, February 1st, 2021, [172:35] the witness is like, "I guess that's [172:37] that's all that's going to happen, [172:38] right?" So, he says, "I trust you, [172:40] Chris, and I take you at your word. It's [172:42] almost been a month and the Bethl store [172:45] still offers Sean's books. [172:50] Chris says, "I'll check. I just got off [172:52] the phone with David Stein, who does all [172:53] the Bethl media stores. Evidently, I [172:55] forgot to tell him, so he'll be pulling [172:56] them down this week. Thanks for the [172:58] reminder. It's been a very busy season [172:59] with a thousand things to do every day. [173:01] I understand, Chris. I have much grace. [173:03] Thanks for letting me know." [173:07] Did Chris think he was guilty? [173:10] I'll come at one second. Did Chris think [173:12] he was guilty? Obviously, yes. You don't [173:15] ask a guy to be pulled out of ministry. [173:16] You don't talk to his board and request [173:18] for them to remove him. You don't ban [173:19] him from your events and tell all your [173:21] team supposedly about what he's done uh [173:24] unless you think he's guilty. And you [173:27] don't say you can't come back unless you [173:28] repent, unless you think he actually has [173:30] something to repent of. [173:32] But we will find a different story being [173:34] told to the public when Chris is [173:37] confronted on it later on. So, here's [173:40] their last conversation. My witness [173:42] reaches out to Chris and says, "Hey, uh, [173:44] Chris, I just saw this weird thing where [173:46] there was a trophy that Bethl had Bethl [173:48] on it and Bethl was giving him a trophy, [173:50] like one of the school of ministries or [173:51] something." And he was upset by this and [173:53] he was like, "I thought you told your [173:55] team about Shawn and yet someone's [173:57] giving him this trophy that says Bethl [173:59] on it and has Shawn Bulls on it about [174:00] like most prophetic." Um, and so he [174:04] reached out and then Chris goes, "This [174:06] is some kind of misunderstanding. this [174:07] is not a Bethl thing. This didn't happen [174:08] at a Bethl school. I don't know what [174:10] this is. Um, and so the guy goes, "Okay, [174:12] fine. I'm glad you cleared that up. I I [174:14] just I thought that it was it looked [174:15] really bad in the picture." So, I'm not [174:17] saying that the picture was real. I [174:18] don't I don't know what it was, right? [174:20] It was something Sean posted on [174:21] Instagram. Um, whether it was really [174:24] Bethl or not Bethl, who let's say it [174:25] wasn't. Here's then the response where [174:28] he says, "Thanks for clearing that up." [174:29] And then Chris tells him, "You need to [174:31] get some help and move on with your [174:32] life. [174:34] I don't know what's going on with you, [174:35] but it feels super unhealthy that you're [174:37] taking the taking on the role of [174:38] policing our movement and trying to warn [174:40] everyone about Shawn. [174:42] It's time for you to move on. Please [174:44] don't contact me anymore about Shawn. [174:48] I've given up trying to be his punisher. [174:50] I'm moving on. Do you want something Do [174:52] you want someone to try to hold him more [174:54] accountable than your do it yourself? [174:58] So eventually he contacts me [175:01] and uh I'm your huckleberry. [175:05] I'll help you. I'll help you hold him [175:06] accountable. Chris will help shout this [175:08] from the rooftop. Me, not just me, not [175:11] remotely, just me. Minor Profits is the [175:13] group that really helped blow the the [175:15] the thing like wide open because they [175:18] were people in the charismatic movement [175:20] who you could tell were reluctantly [175:22] sharing it out. But other people like [175:23] Matthew Hartkey going public, that [175:25] really helped as well. That made a big [175:26] difference. and I'm just going to [175:27] amplify what they've done. Um, and I al [175:30] also have a more witness testimony that [175:32] I get to share than they were able to [175:33] share. So, Chris knows he's guilty, [175:35] right? That's a reasonable conclusion. [175:37] He knows he's guilty. However, when this [175:40] stuff finally goes public, now we're [175:42] going to fast forward. We're going to [175:43] fast forward and look at some stuff on [175:45] Instagram. All right. So, when this [175:46] stuff finally goes public, let's go to [175:48] the Instagram. [175:51] We have this exchange. And this exchange [175:53] is where Chris Valatin starts [175:55] responding. In fact, it's a very rare [175:56] moment where he's actually responding [175:58] openly um on Instagram comments to some [176:01] stuff about Shawn BS. So, January 18th [176:05] approximately, this conversation takes [176:07] place in 2025. This is when it's just [176:09] gotten blown up and people know about [176:11] Shawn. They have seen some of the [176:13] screenshots of the text messages that I [176:15] just showed you. They saw at least some [176:16] of those that went public. I think that [176:18] maybe I'm bringing new ones, I think, uh [176:20] that people haven't seen yet. [176:23] So there's questions like, "Are those [176:24] real text messages? Is this real? Is [176:26] that a real witness? Is this true about [176:28] Shawn that you guys knew and you didn't [176:30] tell people? Like what's going on?" So [176:32] here, Spencer Dalton in all good [176:35] Christian love, and you can tell it's it [176:36] really is. He tries to ask Chris about [176:38] this. He says, "Chris, is there a reason [176:40] you're continuing to not address the [176:42] situation with Shawn BS?" Remember, [176:43] Bethl was silent even after it went [176:45] public. They were very, very slow to be [176:47] speaking to it. or the text messages [176:50] honestly and respectfully asking it [176:52] would do a world of good to help the [176:53] body of Christ process these extremely [176:55] concerning allegations instead of [176:57] leaving them to figure it out for [176:58] themselves without guidance or even [176:59] encouragement. Why remain silent when [177:01] you have such a large voice blessings to [177:03] you, brother? I agree. Just so you know, [177:05] Chris is the guy who knows how to do [177:08] prophecy well. He's the guy who believes [177:10] according to himself in prophetic [177:12] accountability and holding people [177:13] accountable and doing it properly and [177:15] creating the healthy the right [177:16] environment to create a healthy [177:18] prophetic, you know, experimentation. [177:20] This is what Chris is known for. [177:24] Anyways, he responds to Spencer Dalton [177:26] and says, "Always more to the story than [177:27] meets the eye." Wait, what? Didn't you [177:31] just say like you asked his board to [177:32] remove him and you and you you you [177:34] thought they should and it was a mistake [177:35] that they wouldn't. There's more [177:39] What? Well, of course, there's more to a [177:41] story, but what what is the more? So, [177:43] Spencer Dalton replies, "Yes, I'm sure [177:45] there is." Which is why we need men of [177:47] truth to bring clarity and light to the [177:49] situation. Just honestly asking [177:51] questions and trying to get my heart [177:52] around why no one is willing to publicly [177:54] address this because none of the leaders [177:56] did. And they all and they knew. Oh, I'm [177:57] going to show you that they knew. I have [178:00] more evidence of that. It seems like a [178:02] matter of great importance to the church [178:03] at large. Knowing what you know, do you [178:05] believe it's best for the body if this [178:06] remains unresolved? Publicly praying for [178:08] all involved. [178:12] All right. I think Spencer is coming at [178:13] this in a great way. He's clearly [178:15] looking optimistically for movement in [178:18] the right direction here. It's not just [178:19] condemnation. He's he's trying to ask [178:20] for help. [178:22] Chris responds to him and um here, let [178:25] me see if I can boost this a bit. [178:30] Chris responds. It says, "Wisdom is not [178:32] always played out in front of the crowd. [178:34] The crowd demands to know every detail, [178:36] but there are things that are not for [178:37] the crowd. This would be a lot easier if [178:39] you knew me. I believe you trust me." [178:45] That's a weird answer, dude. [178:48] Like either you guys put this on guy on [178:50] stage and promoted him and endorsed him, [178:53] right? Thoroughly [178:57] and he was fake and you should come out [178:59] and tell everybody or or not. And then [179:01] why did Bill go and endorse the guy just [179:03] recently on TBN? [179:06] What is going on? What do you mean [179:08] wisdom is not always played out in front [179:09] of the crowd? Right now folly is being [179:11] played out in front of the crowd. This [179:12] is weird. This is a really weird [179:14] response. So Spencer responds, "Man, I [179:16] love you, bro. But I just don't see the [179:18] body of Christ as the crowd. I agree so [179:21] much. And I don't see a sincere cry for [179:23] clarity and truth as demanding every [179:24] detail. Right. This is he's gaslighting [179:27] them when he says that they're de [179:28] demanding every detail. [179:30] I'm honestly at a loss for words. I [179:32] believe it's essential for the for [179:33] church leaders to earn the trust of the [179:35] church by transparency and raw honesty. [179:37] My generation is done with the two-tier [179:39] system of justice where public sin is [179:41] covered up privately [179:43] where ministry abuse from the stage is [179:46] dealt with in the back rooms. [179:48] I agree 100%. Listen, if Shambles fake [179:51] prophesied from a stage, then from as an [179:53] equally large stage or platform, it must [179:55] be called out. That's just the [179:56] appropriate response. [180:02] I don't know you, but I love you, [180:03] brother. And I urge you to please [180:05] consider for the sake of all those [180:06] who've been impacted, influenced, [180:08] harmed, and affected by Shawn. So by [180:11] Shawn to please speak on this in the [180:13] presence of every believer so that we as [180:15] the church may find healing and [180:16] restoration for the damage done. People [180:18] were harmed in public. Let the healing [180:21] be done in public. True that. True that. [180:26] Very, very true. All right. Chris [180:29] responds again. He says to Spencer, "Do [180:32] you know for a fact Shawn did this? And [180:34] this is the most egregious thing, Chris. [180:36] I can't believe I cannot believe you [180:38] said this. [180:40] There are only two options for what I'm [180:42] about to read. One, a bunch more data [180:44] came out that made you think Sean's [180:46] really innocent. Or two, you are you're [180:50] doing a bad thing." [180:53] I think it's number two. [180:56] My I'm going to give you conjecture, [180:57] guys. This is total conjecture. Maybe [180:59] it's wrong. I don't think it is. I think [181:01] that Bill Johnson was still wanting to [181:03] be in Sean's corner and Chris Valatin [181:05] tried to fall in line so that privately [181:07] he could chew him out all he wanted, but [181:08] publicly they couldn't say anything. And [181:10] so even now this public thing, he's [181:12] trying to spin. He's trying to balance [181:14] and get on the fence. [181:16] So he says, "Do you know for sure for a [181:18] fact that Sean did this? Are you 100% [181:21] sure he's guilty?" Actually, you only [181:23] have to be convinced beyond a reasonable [181:24] doubt. Have you seen the evidence? Well, [181:27] no, Chris, because you have the evidence [181:28] and you won't show it to people. You [181:30] have a packet of information you've [181:31] received. You've talked to witnesses. [181:32] You have a recording of one of his [181:33] victims. You You're the one withholding [181:35] the evidence. So, when you ask the [181:37] people, "Do you have the evidence that [181:38] you wouldn't let them see?" I I uh try [181:42] to petition Bethl, if you don't if you [181:44] want to say you're on the fence and you [181:45] don't know if he's guilty or not, just [181:47] release the packet of info you got back [181:49] in 2017 with all the list of words and [181:52] the things that were found on Facebook [181:53] cuz it was all right there. How about [181:54] you just release it if it's so uncertain [181:56] and so in the air? Just make it public. [181:58] Huh? Because all of his prophecies are [182:00] public. [182:01] No. So, have you seen the evidence? No. [182:03] No, Chris. He hasn't seen the evidence. [182:05] He hasn't seen the evidence because you [182:06] guys covered it up. Or are you listening [182:08] to people on social media? I mean, [182:10] Chris, you're on social media, just so [182:11] you know, right now. That's a That's [182:14] such a weird passive aggressive [182:15] statement to make. You're listening to [182:16] people on social media is a mixed bag. [182:19] There's plenty of bad. There's plenty of [182:20] good, but you can't just ignore people [182:22] because they're on social media. Where [182:23] does Shawn focus his ministry? On social [182:25] media. Where do the majority of people [182:26] who listen to Bethl listen to them on [182:28] social media. Where does Chris impact [182:30] the most people on a regular basis? On [182:33] social media. It's just so weird. As far [182:36] as I know, it's alleged [182:39] that's that's a lie. [182:41] I I I don't know. I I don't know what [182:43] else to call this except that is a [182:44] bold-faced lie from Chris Valatin in a [182:46] in a very important issue that is it [182:49] appears um [182:52] to try to do some kind of damage control [182:54] play some weird game with the body of [182:55] Christ. He says as far as I know it's [182:57] alleged and last I heard Shawn hasn't [182:59] admitted to anything. Actually Shawn has [183:01] denied it publicly [183:04] and maybe more facts have come out. I [183:05] haven't followed the situation for years [183:07] if he's guilty and refused to deal with [183:09] it with his sin in private. Yikes. It's [183:12] a terrible thing to fall into the hands [183:13] of the living God. So sad he used to be [183:15] my friend [183:17] if he's guilty. If he refused to deal [183:19] with his sin. What did Chris tell the [183:21] actual victim? One of the victims of [183:22] Shawn. He was like, "He won't he's not [183:24] going to clean up his mess. I'm sorry. [183:25] We were going to try to bring [183:26] restoration, you know, but we have no [183:28] authority over him. There's nothing else [183:29] we can do. Anybody who asks us, we tell [183:31] them the truth about Shawn. This guy [183:33] asked you, you lied. [183:37] How many other times has this happened? [183:42] He goes on and he says, "Thank you for [183:44] caring so deeply. I care too." [183:47] Somebody else says, "Exactly why so many [183:49] of us are looking to you to enlighten [183:50] us." Right? Because he's seen the [183:52] evidence. He he and he says it right [183:53] here. He goes, "I saw the evidence. I [183:54] spent days examining it. I talked to [183:56] Sean for hours." Well, wait. So, is it [183:59] as far as you know, it's alleged or is [184:01] it I saw the evidence? Is it have you [184:03] seen the evidence? Are you sure [184:04] convinced? Or is it uh I I saw the [184:06] evidence. I talked to Sean for hours. Or [184:08] is it I haven't followed the situation [184:10] for years. I don't really know for sure [184:11] what's going on with that stuff. Or is [184:12] it like we talked to his board and we [184:14] told them to remove him. You you guys [184:16] see what happens when people actually [184:18] come forward and share the things that [184:19] they know, the evidence that they [184:20] actually have and you find out that this [184:22] has been a house of cards for a long [184:23] time. [184:25] For a long time. Well, the conversation [184:27] does continue on on Instagram and I [184:30] think Chris is he should stop using [184:32] social media to be honest. He should [184:34] just have pre-planned posts and not just [184:36] share what he thinks because Chris just [184:38] says stuff. I'm glad he did though. Um [184:42] Spencer says um [184:45] replying to someone else. Exactly. True [184:47] shepherds don't remain silent while [184:48] wolves are in the midst of the flock. [184:52] That's right. So if you have a coverup [184:54] culture and you have leaders who refuse [184:56] to call things out like that dad who [184:58] wouldn't tell his daughter about Shawn [185:01] whereas while his family have been being [185:03] tugof-war because of a fake prophecy [185:05] that Shawn gave them. When you have [185:06] things like this you have to wonder is [185:09] there a lack of protective capacity that [185:11] you have towards the people that trust [185:13] you and sadly it is it is the case. Then [185:17] there's one more response here from [185:19] somebody else who says, "Hey, Chris." [185:20] Basically, he says, "Chris, if it's the [185:22] case that you examine the evidence and [185:24] believe now that these are just [185:25] allegations and nothing more, as seems [185:27] to be from this comment thread, then why [185:29] not just say so in so many words? Why [185:31] not make a clear statement? There are [185:32] screenshots of text messages with your [185:34] name on them. If they aren't authentic, [185:36] just say so. Just be like, "Hey, these [185:38] screenshots that Mike Winger is just [185:40] showing right now, hey, these are [185:41] they're not real. Those aren't real [185:42] screenshots. Just tell us that if that's [185:43] the case." Bethl gave Shawn BS an [185:45] international platform and Bethl insists [185:47] on being a ministry with international [185:49] reach. A reach that includes Shawn if he [185:51] was or is a fraud. This is just as much [185:54] Bethl's responsibility. Don't [185:56] unnecessarily leave people in confusion. [186:01] The only response I have left from that [186:02] from Chris responding to what Spencer [186:04] said earlier about true shepherds. He [186:05] says, "So Shawn is a wolf and I'm not a [186:07] true shepherd." Okay, case closed. [186:13] He's just being a punk now. He's just [186:15] being a punk. [186:18] Chris, you are exposed to now. I am [186:21] shocked. [186:23] I'm shocked. As far as you know, it's [186:25] alleged. That is a lie. [186:28] If something has come out, where where's [186:30] that evidence that oh no, it turns out [186:31] it wasn't true? Turns out that all these [186:33] victims and all these witnesses that we [186:35] have access to that we know about turns [186:37] it wasn't true. Well, then why did why [186:38] don't you redeem the guy and come out [186:40] publicly and tell him? [186:46] You might think maybe more evidence did [186:48] come out, Mike. I I think that's [186:49] plausible. You know, Chris may, let's be [186:51] gracious to him. He may have just found [186:53] more evidence um after his initial [186:55] interventions and after his final [186:56] statements to the witness telling him, [186:59] "Leave me alone. Don't talk to me [187:00] anymore about Shawn." Um that between [187:02] then and now, he came out with saw more [187:04] evidence and changed his mind and was [187:05] like, "Wow, I'm really on the fence now. [187:07] Here's why I don't think that's true. [187:09] Because he says in his conversation on [187:13] uh Instagram, let me put it back on your [187:15] screen. You guys may have already picked [187:17] up on this. I think it's very important. [187:19] Earlier this year in January, he says, [187:22] "As far as I know, it's alleged and last [187:23] I heard, Shawn hasn't admitted to [187:25] anything. Maybe more facts have come [187:27] out. I haven't followed the situation [187:30] for years." Later, he goes on to say [187:33] that he saw the evidence years ago and [187:36] he talked with Shawn and examined [187:37] everything. So, this means that the only [187:40] way in which he could believe that it's [187:41] alleged is if he believed it was alleged [187:44] years ago when he was telling the actual [187:48] victim, "Oh, I'm cutting Sean off and no [187:51] one can work with him and our whole team [187:52] knows about it and I'm answering anybody [187:53] who asks me and I'm warning people and [187:55] telling people don't go on his podcast [187:56] and I'm doing all this stuff." But [187:58] publicly, that's not what he did. In [188:00] other words, I don't trust a word of [188:01] what he said to that person privately [188:03] because the if the public actions don't [188:05] match the private conversations, they're [188:06] meaningless. This is the key of coverup [188:08] culture. If the public actions do not [188:11] match the private asurances, [188:14] then then those assurances don't mean [188:16] anything. They don't mean anything. [188:18] Okay, I forgot I still had one more [188:19] screenshot from that uh Instagram back [188:21] and forth. And I don't know of any other [188:22] back and forth Chris Valatin has had on [188:24] this topic. It was actually a real gem [188:26] that we found this one because it [188:27] reveals the truth. reveals the truth [188:29] about the public versus private [188:30] conversations. But here another person [188:34] responds, Eric Austin says uh to Chris, [188:36] "Oh man, I've loved you for years and [188:38] still do, but that that response is [188:41] really disappointing and troubling with [188:42] all the faulty leadership issues that [188:44] are coming to light in the body in [188:45] general right now." I mean, there was no [188:47] problem with a public statement being [188:48] made over Jason Westerfield's error. So [188:50] why this? Um Jason Westerfield famously [188:53] is the one person Bill Johnson actually [188:56] rebuked from the pulpit. [188:58] Um, and then people think, "Oh, that's [189:00] proof that Bill's willing to do that." I [189:01] don't think he had a choice. I think he [189:02] had to because of what Westerville was [189:04] doing in their church to their own [189:05] people. Bill had to speak to it because, [189:08] uh, he was it was it was demonic. It was [189:10] demonic. U, it was really sick. Um, but [189:13] that's the one time, the only time that [189:15] I'm aware of or anybody I've talked to [189:16] is aware of where Bill actually called [189:18] somebody out. But here's the thing. [189:20] Their movement has been full of people [189:21] they should have called out for [189:22] generations. [189:24] And it's its status quo is to never call [189:26] out anybody. You can call out the [189:27] underlings. You can call out the low [189:28] people. You can call you don't call out [189:30] the leadership. You don't call out the [189:31] movers and shakers. That's the thing. [189:33] You don't call out Kenneth Copeland. You [189:34] don't call out Beni Hen. Certainly not. [189:37] So Chris responds, "Last response we [189:39] have from him on on Instagram." Lesson [189:41] number one thing I learned years ago. [189:44] You will never please the crowd. I never [189:46] let the crowd tell me how to pastor [189:48] people. Many people fail who aren't [189:50] wolves, including Peter. [189:53] This seems to be implying that Shawn is [189:55] not a wolf, right? That's seems making a [189:56] case that Sean's not a wolf. Like he's [189:58] defending Shawn now. That's what's [189:59] happening. Three, if the accusations [190:02] against Shawn are true, there are many [190:04] more like him. We've caught three others [190:06] and pulled them all out of the ministry. [190:09] What? [190:11] What [190:13] if if it's true? There's many more like [190:15] it. Now, this is this is I talked to [190:17] somebody who was in leadership in the [190:19] charismatic church in a church you would [190:21] know. And they told me that if they [190:24] really did pull the cuz I told them, [190:26] "You guys need to pull the trigger on [190:27] all the people you know that are [190:28] faking." If there's people who uh have [190:31] sin issues, you may be able to work with [190:32] them. You may be able to help a pastor [190:33] recover if he's if he's if he's like [190:34] teetering on the edge, if he's he's like [190:36] half fallen or something. There's times [190:38] where you recover and you don't go and [190:39] blast that to everybody. But when the [190:40] guy's persisting and he won't and he [190:42] won't change. And also [190:45] when they're fraudulently praying upon [190:48] the people of God with fake miracles and [190:50] lying in God's name, you there's no [190:52] wiggle room on that. You have to go [190:53] public on that. You have to warn. You [190:55] don't have to warn the whole world. You [190:56] have to warn everybody he's influencing [190:58] which might be the whole world like as [190:59] with Sean or it might be the local [191:01] church. But they've caught three others [191:02] and there's a lot of them. And this is [191:04] what this is what the guy told me. He [191:05] said, "Mike, if we did this, if we [191:06] actually called this stuff out whenever [191:08] we see it, it would be devastating. It [191:11] would be a lot of people. [191:13] I believe that. And this is here where [191:15] Chris admits it, too. If the accusations [191:17] against Shawn are true, there are many [191:19] more like him. We've caught three others [191:21] and pulled them all out of ministry. [191:23] Yeah. So, they do sometimes pull people [191:24] out of ministry, and this makes them [191:25] feel like they're they're doing good. Do [191:27] they do they warn people about them? Is [191:29] there accountability? I know of another [191:30] person who was doing these same fake [191:32] words of knowledge at Bethl and was [191:34] busted for it and uh was caught for it. [191:36] Uh, and there was no public statement [191:38] made even though they were doing it [191:39] using media and using Bethl resources to [191:42] try to reach people. Uh, there was no [191:44] accountability for it. Nobody knew why [191:46] they got pulled out. They just got [191:47] pulled out silently, which sounds like [191:49] self-p protection to me. [191:51] I'll read on the rest of this message [191:53] here from Chris. Unfortunately, social [191:56] media has made it easy to embellish [191:58] their ministries. So very sad. [192:00] Thankfully, one of them has repented and [192:01] cleaned up his mess. Maybe he has, maybe [192:03] he hasn't. I don't trust you, Chris. [192:05] There are many other leaders who have [192:06] major issues who are leading [192:11] major. What do you mean by major issues? [192:14] Bethl has become a place for them to [192:15] come and get well and whole. Uh most of [192:18] them remmerge healthy noble leaders. [192:21] We've got to talk about that for a [192:22] second. That claim Bethl is known as a [192:26] place where fallen ministers go and they [192:29] and they get re reinstated. They get [192:31] restored. They're known to be that [192:32] place. Todd Bentley went to Bethl to get [192:34] reinstated after he was incredibly [192:36] horribly evil. Like, look it up. Google [192:39] Todd Bentley and anything else and [192:42] you're going to find it. Um, they're [192:44] known for restoring people. They brought [192:45] Bob Jones back into ministry stuff, [192:47] right? They're known for this, but I [192:50] don't I don't trust them and I don't [192:52] think you should trust them either. He [192:53] says most of them reemerge healthy, [192:55] noble leaders, but the example of say um [192:58] Bob Hartley is not that. It's that he [193:00] just continued his predations and he [193:03] kind of went quiet for a while and he [193:05] started getting more integrated. I have [193:06] a video on Bob Heartley I just did and [193:07] Bethl and how that they did not handle [193:09] that properly and it was finally Bob's [193:11] son who went public and another woman [193:14] who tried to get Bethl to go public. [193:16] They they tried to get Bethl to go [193:17] public. They wouldn't. So they finally [193:19] went public to warn people about Bob [193:20] because he would fake prophecy and use [193:21] it to get women into the bedroom [193:24] and more and worse stuff. Do most of [193:27] them [193:29] do most of them emerge healthy leaders? [193:32] Do we believe that? I don't believe [193:34] that. I wonder. Now, some of them do. [193:37] And I don't want to Here's the thing. I [193:38] don't want to make this video and have [193:39] you guys thinking everybody who has ever [193:41] been restored through Bethl, it wasn't [193:43] real. That is not the case. All it means [193:46] is I can't take Bethl's word for it. [193:48] That's all it means. I I can't just take [193:50] their word for it. I need to assess it [193:52] through other means to be thoughtful and [193:53] careful and make sure that everybody is [193:55] being taken care of and protected [193:56] properly. That's what we need to do. So [193:58] Chris, we see from his his porative use [194:00] of the term the crowd when he has people [194:02] begging him to be a spiritual father and [194:05] take care of things. Um we know that he [194:07] doesn't like warning the crowd. So I'm [194:09] going to tell you now about I'm going to [194:10] call them Bob and Sally. Okay, here's a [194:12] new section of the video. The Bob and [194:14] Sally saga. [194:22] Bob and Sally were a couple that was [194:24] very well off and they had the [194:26] beginnings of this business that was [194:27] skyrocketing like you know crazy crazy [194:30] money that that was the direction that [194:32] it was heading. That is very attractive [194:35] to the prophet crowd. Not all of them. [194:38] There are some people who are prophetic [194:39] who are godly and humble and [194:41] Christloving and sincere and I think [194:43] that God works in their lives. So, but [194:46] I'm talking about Mike Bickl and Sean BS [194:48] and Emma Stark and Stacy Campbell and [194:50] those guys that they love the rich big [194:53] moneybags guys that they can prophesy [194:54] to. Sincere Christians who love Jesus [194:56] and just happen to have a load of cash. [194:59] All of a sudden, you get special words [195:00] of knowledge for those people. These are [195:02] these are what I would consider Sean's [195:03] special friends who he still gives words [195:04] words to. I'll bet you he's looking [195:06] their data up, giving them a special [195:08] word. The Lord show me uh something uh [195:12] blue. Something blue. And and it's and [195:15] you were you were you were you were [195:17] trying to dodge it, but you couldn't. [195:19] Oh, you bought a new blue Dodge. Oh, I [195:21] don't know. How did I know this? The [195:22] Lord. Yeah. I mean, is it that um and [195:25] you know, God's called me to to to [195:27] expand my ministry. I need $60 million. [195:31] Yeah. Special words of prophecy for the [195:33] rich people. That's what you get. Now, [195:34] these guys are rich. Bob and Sally, [195:36] they're in the rich category at the [195:37] time. So, Mike Bickl, Shawn BS, Emma [195:40] Stark, and Stacy Campbell are all [195:42] courting them. That's how I understand [195:43] from based on their story. Now, they [195:45] I've met with them. I've talked with [195:46] them a couple times um multiple times. [195:48] And here's the story they tell. [195:50] According to them, Mike Bickl wanted to [195:52] build another wing onto his Wagner [195:54] school. This is before Bickl was [195:55] exposed. And so, he wanted them to move [195:57] to Kansas City. He wants them to move in [196:00] with him. Bob and Sally, come here. This [196:01] is the place I believe God is calling [196:02] you. And they spent three days with [196:04] Bickl. Bickl, how often does Mike Bickle [196:06] spend three days with anybody? Well, [196:07] they were the money bags. They get the [196:09] special treatment. Three days with just [196:10] them. hours and hours of time with Mike. [196:13] He walks them through the whole [196:14] prophetic history of the International [196:15] House of Prayer, Kansas City. And it's [196:18] hours and hours of a lot of madeup stuff [196:20] and it and he tells them, "They're [196:22] generals. You're generals in our story. [196:24] You're part of this story, too. You're [196:25] generals." And he had them send bios of [196:28] their kids over to Mike so he could [196:29] learn all about their kids and get [196:31] connected to them regularly. And he was [196:33] texting with all of them. And they [196:34] called him Uncle Mike. His kids called [196:36] him Uncle Mike. There at the end of the [196:39] three days they spent together, Mike [196:40] gave them a special prophetic word. He [196:42] prophesied that they would make billions [196:44] of dollars, which did not come to pass. [196:46] That they would be massive business [196:48] leaders, which has not come to pass. And [196:50] that they gave a significant amount of [196:52] money to Mike Bickl because that's what [196:55] you're supposed to do. It feels like the [196:57] right thing and the way he talks and the [196:58] stories he tells and you feel like [196:59] you're a general and this is how I [197:01] serve. And so they gave him significant [197:02] amount of money. Chayon also was [197:05] courting them. It seems Chayon wanted [197:07] them to move to HRock in Pasadena. [197:09] That's his church, Pasadena, not too far [197:11] from me. I should go say hi to Chay. [197:14] So, he wanted them to move to HR. Emma [197:16] Stark wanted them to move to where she [197:17] lives. And Shawn BS wanted them to move [197:21] where he lives in California. [197:24] He gave them a prophetic word of [197:25] knowledge when they first met that they [197:26] now believe was just he googled their [197:29] last name and saw it on Wikipedia. So, [197:31] he gave I have the recording of this [197:32] prophetic word. I've heard the [197:33] recording. Um, and it was just what it [197:36] was the information from Wikipedia. They [197:37] weren't even sure what it meant when it [197:39] was given. They just kind of nodded and [197:40] were like, "Oh." And then when they [197:40] looked it up later, they were like, [197:41] "Dude, that's just what Wikipedia says." [197:44] And he confirmed before he gave him the [197:45] word, he goes, "Is this how you spell [197:46] your last name?" And they go, "Yes." And [197:48] he goes, "Oh." And then he gives them [197:49] the word. Because he was probably trying [197:50] to make sure that he looked up the right [197:52] last name that the spelling was accurate [197:54] cuz he doesn't want another uh 105 [197:56] slaughter house to happen to him. Stacy [197:59] Campbell also wanted them to move out to [198:01] where she is in uh Santa Clarita to to [198:04] her healing rooms. There was a prophetic [198:06] tugof-war over these rich people and I [198:08] think that rich people experience this a [198:09] lot in these movements. And of course [198:12] you do. Of course there's, you know, [198:14] when you have a lot of money, people [198:15] will be interested in you because of [198:16] your money. It's like with online you [198:18] have a lot of followers, people are [198:19] interested in you because of your [198:20] followers, not because of any other [198:21] reason. It's weird. It creates weird [198:24] unreal social relationships sometimes. [198:26] And I don't like any of that stuff. But [198:29] when you add the prophetic element to it [198:31] and you add, "Oh, I'm giving you a [198:32] special word of prophecy and God's [198:34] calling you to do this." It becomes a [198:35] highly manipulated spiritual abuse of [198:38] rich people from these leaders. And that [198:41] is what I believe happened. This is an [198:43] audio recording though I'm going to [198:45] share with you now. Never before heard. [198:47] Nobody's heard this really. Uh not [198:49] publicly. This audio recording is that [198:52] rich couple. There's a prophetic [198:54] tugof-war going on and Stacy Campbell is [198:56] in the car with them and she is going to [198:58] warn them about Shawn BS cuz what Shawn [199:00] wants them to move out to him. Stacy [199:02] wants them to move out to her. Everybody [199:03] wants them to move. They're the popular [199:05] kids right now. So Bob and Sally are [199:08] very popular. Now she gives him a [199:10] warning. Now this is very important. [199:12] This comes from 2022, [199:14] September or October. Keep in mind that [199:16] Bethl has postured as though these [199:18] things may or may not really be true. [199:19] Who knows for sure? Only the Lord knows. [199:21] This is what behind the scenes they [199:23] knew. They knew very well what was true. [199:25] So listen to this warning from Stacy [199:26] Campbell and she tells you a whole bunch [199:29] of stuff. Um and I'll let it play. I may [199:31] pause it here and there. We'll see. [199:32] >> Wolves is utterly and totally dangerous [199:38] because he doesn't tell the truth. [199:41] So [199:44] this is from Chris Valatin [199:48] who I know because a an issue came up [199:51] from one of Shan Boltz's [199:54] from Shawn Boltz's [199:57] that was very alarming [200:01] and finally he couldn't take it so he [200:03] told Patricia King who told Chay and who [200:08] told Chris Valatin [200:11] And [200:14] uh [200:17] I and Chris Valatin because Bethl was [200:21] very involved with John Wols because [200:24] there everybody is believing for this [200:26] greater [200:28] works than Jesus has done type of [200:31] prophetic that is in the Bible doing [200:33] these things. And [200:35] >> this is what I talk about revival [200:36] culture. Um, some I could use a more [200:38] technical term and call this the latter [200:40] rain movement or the belief that there [200:41] is going to be this incredible um, [200:43] spiritual transformation. You guys have [200:45] to understand this context to get the [200:46] full meaning of what you just heard. [200:48] There's going to be this amazing [200:49] Pentecost 2.0. That's what Brian Simmons [200:51] calls it. Pentecost 2.0. We're going to [200:53] do greater works than Jesus. We're going [200:55] to do greater works than even the [200:56] apostles. It'll be what what the church [200:57] was always meant to be. This is what [200:59] Bethl's always marching towards. So when [201:02] you have this need and you've been [201:03] preaching this to your people and you [201:04] get a faker like Sean, he's extremely [201:07] useful in stirring up your crowd and [201:09] getting people to flock to your church. [201:11] They're going to move to your fellowship [201:12] because this is the hot spot where it's [201:14] happening. [201:16] So that sets the stage for why he was so [201:19] important. uh why they were so hopeful [201:21] about Shawn, why they were so ready to [201:23] receive and promote him because they [201:25] have an unbiblical expectation [201:27] prophetically about the future of the [201:29] Christian church that leaves them open [201:31] and they teach this to their people. [201:32] Leaves them more open to frauds, [201:34] spiritual frauds. I I hope that that [201:35] makes sense. I do believe that that's [201:36] very important to understand. All right, [201:38] let's let's go back to the recording. [201:40] The bottom line so far is everybody [201:42] knew. Everybody knew. Patricia King, [201:44] that recording I told you about, guess [201:46] what? It was real. A separate witness [201:48] came to me and gave me this completely [201:50] independently where they're admitting [201:52] it. Patricia King knew, Chayon knew, [201:54] Chris Valatin knew. Guess what? This was [201:56] not secret. Well, it was secret to us, [201:58] not to the elites. [201:59] >> We're in that era where I think it's [202:01] going to start, but there's always a [202:03] burnt earth prior to. And so [202:08] uh [202:10] um [202:13] so on Monday, [202:14] >> she's looking through her phone, I [202:15] believe, here looking for specific [202:16] messages so she could read them out loud [202:18] between her and Chris. August 22nd, I [202:21] reached out to Chris because I know so [202:24] Chris so Shawn Boltz is [202:28] who traveled with Sean Bolts [202:32] um told these gross stories [202:35] of [202:37] sexual immorality [202:40] of Shawn Bolts [202:42] and that when he traveled with Shawn [202:45] Bolts, [202:47] Shawn Bolts would. [202:50] >> Yeah, you're going to hear it uh very [202:52] clearly here. Um [202:54] I'm not going to censor out what she's [202:56] about to say. So now what you're going [202:57] to hear from Stacy Campbell, she's [202:59] alleging these things are true. And I [203:01] think that when you combine this [203:02] together with all the other evidence [203:03] we've seen, it really raises the [203:05] credibility of all of it. All of it [203:06] being true. Right? There's what you [203:09] don't hear from any of the leaders or [203:10] the text messages or the conversations [203:12] is anybody saying that Sean's actually [203:14] innocent. No. What you see is them [203:17] responding as though they believed it [203:18] was real. Now, I'm not going to censor [203:21] this. I'm just going to play it as is. [203:23] There's going to be some descriptive [203:25] stuff in here a little bit. Um, so you [203:27] guys should be aware. [203:28] >> Masturbate in front of him. [203:31] It made him very uncomfortable [203:34] and [203:36] and [203:38] walk naked in front of him, you know, to [203:40] not wear clothes and he's a guy. And so [203:45] finally he couldn't take it and he went [203:47] and told other leaders because he didn't [203:50] know what to do. [203:53] Patricia reached out and told you know [203:56] tried to talk to Shawn. Sean would not [203:58] talk to her. So she talked to Chay and [204:02] Chase said because Shawn said I'm under [204:06] Chay's leadership. So don't talk to [204:10] Chris because they were having an [204:11] irregularity. [204:13] and Sean um said to Chris, "I'm not [204:18] under Bethl, I'm under Chay." [204:21] And Chay tried to talk to him that it [204:24] didn't go. So I said, "Okay, [204:27] here's the back and forth as I [204:28] understand it um from talking to [204:31] witnesses apart from this recording was [204:33] that um the initial thing was Patricia [204:37] thought, "Yeah, Chay's going to do this. [204:40] He'll take care of it." And according to [204:41] Stacy Campbell, Sean says, "I'm under [204:43] him. That's who I'm under." And it [204:45] didn't go. I don't know what that means. [204:48] Um, then Chay says, "You should have [204:50] Chris do." And I'm actually going to [204:51] share with you guys a screenshot. I'll [204:53] I'll just share it now. Um, [204:56] screenshot from Patricia King emailing [204:59] one of the victims. And she says on [205:02] April 7th of 2020, "I'm so sorry to hear [205:05] about this. I'm not sure I can help any [205:07] more than I have." This is when Bethl's [205:10] currently investigating Shawn and stuff. [205:12] He says, "Chris told me that there are [205:13] guys working with Shawn. I think he [205:15] mentioned Danny Silk and one other maybe [205:17] Bob Hassel, which I think she means Bob [205:18] Hassan who was on Sean's board and [205:20] co-authored a book with him. Um, [205:23] should you try to communicate directly [205:25] with Chris sharing your disappointment, [205:28] which ultimately he he did? From what I [205:30] understand, Shawn has not offered you an [205:32] apology. So, if this is being dealt [205:33] with, I believe that would be a first [205:35] step for Shawn's turnaround. That might [205:36] be a place where you could start. She's [205:38] giving him advice, but he's looking for [205:39] someone to be a voice. I honestly don't [205:42] know what else I can do. Right? You you [205:43] you make a video and you say, "Hey guys, [205:45] here's what I found out." [205:48] And then you add your credibility and [205:50] the strength of your testimony to these [205:51] people who are ultimately relatively [205:53] powerless in your movement. You said, "I [205:56] recorded your story and submitted it to [205:58] Shay who uh who told me to connect with [206:01] Chris. I CC Chay into my emails to and [206:03] from Chris. Chris said he had guys [206:05] assigned. I'm deeply saddened. [206:08] Uh, in the private conversation, it's [206:09] very much like, uh, I care about you. [206:11] I'm concerned about you. I want you to [206:13] do well. In the public, actual things. [206:16] Um, nobody nobody publicly called him [206:19] out. So, it's not as though there was [206:21] there was like a callous, I don't care [206:23] about what you're going through. That [206:24] wasn't said. There was just coverup [206:27] culture prevents them from taking any [206:28] actual actions [206:31] to be a voice for the victims. That's [206:33] the problem. It takes them, it keeps [206:35] them from speaking aloud to the people [206:38] who hate, who they assisted in deceiving [206:40] so that they might come out of those [206:41] deceptions because that would hurt the [206:44] prophetic movement worldwide supposedly. [206:47] Okay. So, she goes on, she reached out [206:48] Monday, August 22nd. [206:50] >> Reached out on Monday, August 22nd. So, [206:53] this was over a year ago. I've known [206:54] this baby too. And I said, "Has there [206:57] been and so Chris Valatin flew." So, I [207:00] know this from Chris's direct mouth. He [207:04] said, "I flew [207:06] to Shawn Boltz I on my own dime and I [207:10] spent the entire day saying Shawn and [207:13] Shawn denied everything and basically [207:16] tried to make the other guy a liar." [207:19] But the other guy was so broken. And to [207:22] have a Christian leader masturbating in [207:24] the same room as you and walking naked, [207:29] you know, I mean, that is [207:32] while you're in the room with him. So on [207:34] August 22nd, I reached out to Chris and [207:36] said, "Has there been any restoration [207:38] with Shawn Bolts?" Because Chris, their [207:42] great desire is always to restore fall [207:45] miners. again that great desire [207:49] it it has frequently or at least in my [207:52] opinion number of times turned into [207:55] reenabling abusers. So this this desire [207:57] the Bethl has to restore fallen leaders [207:59] which itself is a good desire. [208:02] It doesn't play out without coverup [208:04] culture. That's the problem. [208:08] Let me get smaller. [208:11] All right. And it's part of the history [208:13] of Shiloh that when they fall [208:17] and Shawn was directly under Paul King [208:21] who also [208:23] was accused of homosexual acts [208:27] and the Haitian groups took him in and [208:30] put somebody on him day and night. [208:33] >> Paul Kane was accused of specifically [208:35] targeting his employees with homosexual [208:38] behaviors. [208:42] Think about that. [208:44] >> So that he could not sin again. [208:46] Because once a person has been abused by [208:49] a person in authority that they look up [208:51] to, they're devastated for the rest of [208:53] their life. Like it is like [208:57] and so Chris response from Chris. This [209:01] is just the text I will then send you. [209:04] Hi Chris. Has there been any restoration [209:06] with Shawn? This is definitely not [209:09] Shawn. I said, "Okay, thank you so much. [209:11] I appreciate you responding because I [209:14] know that Shawn is now being asked by [209:16] Georgian, etc., but Chris said Shawn [209:19] will never come to Bethl again because [209:22] of his lack of humility and repentance." [209:26] >> Chris also said, "As far as I know, it's [209:28] alleged." [209:32] So, this Georgian Banov guy, this is a [209:34] guy that invited Shawn to speak. This is [209:36] after these things were known. Uh, and [209:38] everybody in their circles, their [209:39] leadership circles, they're all like [209:40] telling each other about it, you know, [209:42] and Chris is supposedly warning warning [209:43] a lot of people. Um, George and Banov [209:46] was was scheduling Sean to still speak [209:47] at this prophetic training event. I'll [209:49] I'll share more about in a minute. [209:51] >> And then this is the next one [209:55] from his email. So I sent him an email [209:57] cuz I didn't know he got my [210:05] question. [210:07] So Julie, [210:21] Julie asked me [210:24] because she sent me the email where [210:26] Georgia was having come to a conference. [210:30] She said, "Has there been any [210:32] >> um this is the conference [210:38] per their website, Shawn did end up [210:40] speaking at this George and Banov [210:41] conference in March and April of 2023. [210:44] It was several weeks long along with [210:46] Stacy Campbell and many others, Heidi [210:49] Baker, James Gaul, Barbie breathe it. [210:53] Right now, I'm not saying all these guys [210:55] knew about Certainly some of them did. [210:58] Certainly some of them did. Certainly [211:00] Stacy Campbell did. She went and did the [211:03] same conference. The same conference [211:04] that she's like, "Ah, George is still [211:06] going to have him." Shawn Bulls is [211:08] dangerous. He's d she's warning the rich [211:10] people because she wants their wallets, [211:12] I think. And yet there is no warning [211:14] that goes out to the rest of the people [211:16] at that conference like they're not that [211:18] important. [211:21] Insane. [211:23] >> Restoration Sean. [211:25] Let me check. [211:32] Hi Chris. [211:45] Chris. [211:48] Hi Chris. I was wondering if there's [211:51] been any updates [211:57] with [212:02] and anyway [212:06] difficult to tell if there's only one [212:08] car but essentially and I can like read [212:12] them all. He said no. He said but [212:16] definitely not Sean. He said, "As far as [212:19] I'm concerned, Sean Holmes is a [212:21] deceiver, and I will not have a back [212:24] where I'm trusting. And so, I'm [212:27] concerned for you because I love you. [212:29] I'm giving you the warning that he's [212:32] dangerous. His behavior is bad. [212:36] He's been caught red-handed. [212:41] He's unrepentant." [212:42] >> I got to remind you guys, this is [212:45] September or October of 2022. It was [212:47] less than a year later. It was like [212:50] March or something maybe of 2023 when [212:53] Bill Johnson went and endorsed Shawn's [212:55] book and Shawn on TBN. [212:57] >> But you wrote that this was one of the [212:59] most exciting books that you had read. [213:01] Why was that? [213:02] >> Um, well, the book by itself is [213:04] incredible. Knowing the life that backs [213:06] it up adds a a power to it because it's [213:09] so it's so practical. It's it's what you [213:12] dream of. It's like if if you could see [213:15] if you could have a perfect relationship [213:17] with the Lord and see its impact on [213:19] humanity, that's what it would look [213:21] like. [213:22] >> Chris says he's a deceiver. I will not [213:24] allow him to minister here publicly. [213:26] Says, as far as I know, it's alleged. [213:29] Bill goes and endorses him, but they [213:32] distance themselves. Their ministries [213:33] are separate. So, what does this look [213:35] like? Coverup culture. [213:38] >> And this was August 22nd. So, this is [213:42] new. It's not old and recent. And I know [213:45] you're calling to invest in the [213:47] prophetic and you're amazing. [213:50] But I'm just asking you to pray about [213:52] your heart. Thank you in that because [213:57] he's to be [213:59] he's not only dangerous for the body of [214:01] Christ and a lot of times the people [214:04] that affiliate with him go down, they go [214:07] down. [214:08] >> Aha. [214:10] He's dangerous to the body of Christ, [214:11] but we're not warning them. [214:14] But you, we don't want you to affiliate [214:16] with him. So, you're part of the the [214:18] inner circle because of your wallet. So, [214:21] you I love you. I want to protect you. I [214:24] care about you're the special ones. But [214:26] like Elijah Stevens, he wasn't the [214:28] special one, right? He to me he is, but [214:31] he wasn't. Uh to the Lord, he is, but he [214:34] wasn't to the leadership at Bethl. Um, [214:36] but uh, Jubilee Dawn, who experienced [214:39] great harm because of Shawn, connected [214:41] to Shawn for for sure. Um, not special [214:44] enough, not important enough. I love [214:46] you. I want to protect you, so I'm [214:47] warning you about Shawn. Only counts to [214:49] the elite because that's the culture of [214:50] coverup. It's a cast system. [214:55] Okay. In this next clip, Stacy talks [214:57] about a document allegedly showing Shawn [214:59] Bull's faked prophecy by data mining [215:02] Facebook and Google. This is a document [215:05] we have not seen that has not been [215:06] released publicly. I've asked for it. [215:09] They spread it around to each other. [215:11] They just wouldn't show you [215:14] by [215:20] didn't feel good. So what he did was he [215:23] voted the names of every person Sean [215:25] Woods was prophesying [215:27] and then went on their Facebook pages [215:30] and every single bit of information [215:33] prophesying. You could find it on page [215:39] find [215:41] and there was nothing that was [215:43] prophesying [215:45] that was that was from unknown [215:48] revelation. It was holding on. And so he [215:51] sent me a document only 20 pages long. [215:55] This is what Sean said. This is on the [215:58] front page of their Facebook pages. This [216:00] is on the second page. If you Google the [216:03] person that their is their son that you [216:05] find that you know I mean it it just it [216:07] was all there and it was highly [216:10] incriminating [216:11] order of law and he was also also tried [216:15] to confront him [216:19] and Shawn made him the bad guy. [216:22] >> They knew that there was a guy who tried [216:24] to confront Shawn years ago and that [216:27] Shawn made that guy into the bad guy and [216:29] none of these people were helping and [216:30] defending him. I think they might be [216:32] talking about Jason Smmedley. I'll be [216:34] sharing a a tweet. He he replied to me [216:36] recently on Twitter and I I would had [216:38] been wanting to talk to him for a long [216:40] time. I'll be sharing something he said [216:41] this guy tried to expose Shawn and Paul [216:44] Kaine came after him and made him the [216:46] bad guy, right? Um he suffered greatly [216:48] because of this stuff. He says he's [216:51] convinced that the leaders all knew Sean [216:52] was faking for a long time and they just [216:54] didn't care. That makes a lot of sense [216:56] to me. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. [217:00] So that she might be talking about him. [217:02] I don't know. But [217:05] it makes a lot of sense. When a bully [217:08] does that pushes off their sin, [217:13] that's grossest to me [217:17] cuz you get a chance to fall on the rock [217:20] falls on you. So [217:25] I trust them. [217:35] He doesn't. [217:45] You might be interested to know that [217:46] Stacy Campbell talked a lot of dirt [217:48] about a lot of different leaders with [217:49] this couple. Um, she seems to have [217:51] something on everybody, [217:57] but that's the Shawn BS information. [218:01] What she didn't tell the couple was that [218:02] she was going to be attending the dream [218:04] interpretation and seer realm master [218:06] class with Shawn BS and George and Banov [218:09] not too long after she had this [218:11] conversation. So, there she is. We've [218:14] got Shawn there. You've got Stacy [218:15] Campbell there. You've got Tommy Ariomi [218:17] there. Some of you might know that name. [218:19] James Gaul there and George and Banov, [218:21] Heidi Baker. [218:28] How deep does it go is the question. I [218:31] don't know. I don't know. But I know [218:34] that the trust should be broken when it [218:36] comes to this sphere of leaders. You [218:38] should not trust their discernment and [218:40] you cannot shop your discernment out to [218:42] them. And you don't want to follow their [218:43] culture because it's a culture of cover [218:44] up. After this, after this is when Bill [218:48] Johnson went on TBN and endorsed Shawn [218:51] BS after all of this, [218:54] >> knowing the life that backs it up adds a [218:56] power to it. [218:57] >> Why wasn't Shawn BS exposed? Um because [218:59] none of the leaders that the people were [219:00] asking for help would help. They [219:02] wouldn't have stopped these people from [219:03] going public. Most likely, they wouldn't [219:05] have tried to stop them, but they don't [219:06] want to be part of it. They're not going [219:07] to be connected to it, and they're not [219:08] going to help them do it. and they won't [219:09] provide them with the safety and [219:11] covering that they will need because [219:13] guess what happens when you go public [219:14] like someone already tried as Stacy [219:15] Campbell said Shawn BS makes them the [219:18] bad guy makes them the villain because [219:20] Shawn obviously has much more weight [219:22] even now has much more weight in these [219:24] circles than some random person who's [219:26] trying to blow the whistle on him. You [219:28] need the leaders to lay their life down [219:30] to protect the sheep. That's just what's [219:32] required. So Chayon backed off, Chris [219:34] backed off, Patricia King backed off. [219:35] It's ultimately there's nothing they can [219:37] do. They're powerless supposedly. Now, [219:39] I've talked to the sources, my several [219:41] different sources, a number of different [219:42] people, and they all seem to agree, [219:44] pretty much all the ones I've asked [219:46] about it, agree on one idea, and that is [219:48] the idea that it was ultimately Bill [219:49] Johnson that stopped Shambles from being [219:51] exposed, that it was not something Bill [219:53] wanted to happen. And remember that Bill [219:56] is the one who openly endorsed him after [219:58] the fact. So, let me say this next thing [220:00] very carefully. I'll read this out to [220:02] you. I believe that the problem is way [220:04] bigger than what we know. that if any [220:06] one of these leaders just came out and [220:08] exposed the fakers and abusers that they [220:10] know about, there would be so many. It [220:13] would be devastating and that's why they [220:15] won't. So why wasn't Shawn exposed? Why [220:17] didn't they warn everyone? Why only warn [220:19] the rich people and the leaders and then [220:22] distance yourselves and not tell the [220:23] public? [220:25] You know, Bethl talked to some of the [220:27] same witnesses I have that they [220:29] interviewed some of the same people that [220:30] I've talked to that they knew this [220:32] stuff. It's crazy. So what does it mean [220:35] when you distance yourself but you don't [220:37] warn the people? It means you're not [220:38] protecting the sheep. It means you might [220:40] be concerned about your own protection [220:41] and reputation. It means you might be [220:43] worried about logical outcomes that if [220:45] if we have the kind of culture that [220:46] calls this guy out, who else are they [220:48] going to call out? Am I going to get [220:49] called out? And that's a scary thing. [220:51] But that's what 1 Timothy 5:19 and 20 [220:53] says, that's my theme verse for this [220:55] series of exposure and coverup culture [220:57] stuff is it says, "Rebuke in the [220:59] presence of all that the rest also may [221:01] fear." Yeah. I'm worried about if I hold [221:03] others accountable, people might hold me [221:04] accountable. But I'm supposed to be [221:06] worried about that. Like I should live [221:07] with that fear because there is [221:09] accountability in the body of Christ for [221:10] us. [221:12] Now, we need to talk about the trigger [221:13] video. First, I need to take a little [221:15] break. I've been talking too much. [221:25] This is the second day I have tried to [221:27] spend recording this. The first day all [221:29] the footage didn't work and had a [221:31] glitch. [221:34] Let's talk about the trigger video. The [221:35] trigger video was December of 2023. This [221:38] is a video created by Shawn BS where he [221:41] goes on to TBN and on YouTube and [221:44] wherever else he puts his stuff and he's [221:46] going to tell other people how they can [221:49] deal with leaders who abuse them. This [221:52] triggered people who he had abused in [221:54] the past or hurt in the past and [221:57] they decided to make more noise. Okay, [222:00] this triggered another round of people [222:02] asking for BS to be held accountable and [222:04] this was December of 2023 when this [222:06] happened. So, it's a disturbingly ironic [222:08] video. I'm going to play several clips [222:10] from it. Sean has deleted it from the [222:12] internet, but the internet never [222:14] forgets. So, here it is. [222:17] very interesting subject, a prophetic [222:19] perspective, and a teaching that I think [222:20] is going to really help you, especially [222:22] if you've been one of those who's [222:23] experienced the moral failure of a [222:25] pastor or a person who should have [222:27] spiritual authority over you. God's been [222:29] judging the churches and pastoral [222:30] failures and ministries. And there's a [222:32] lot of collapsing right now. And I can [222:33] make a list of names of people who have [222:35] had a ministry or personal failure that [222:37] were public figures in the church over [222:38] the past few years. And it'd be a very [222:40] long video. We [222:41] >> It'd be a very long video. it imply I [222:43] think he means a list of people who've [222:45] failed and fallen. Um [222:48] because there is more accountability now [222:51] than there ever has been. Um Sean in [222:54] this video you can already see it. He's [222:56] he speaks as though he's like squeaky [222:58] clean or at least clean of the types of [223:00] things that he's dealing with here. And [223:03] I'm telling you, if there was ever a [223:04] moment when Shawn BS was able to [223:06] actually prophesy something, it was here [223:08] and it was unintentional. The stuff that [223:10] he says in this video, it's eerie and [223:14] ironic and disturbingly ironic where he [223:17] counsels people on how to deal with [223:18] leaders who have abused them. And [223:22] imagine yourself as you watch the rest [223:23] of this with me, imagine if Sean had [223:27] done a prophetic grift on you. He looked [223:30] you up online. He prophesied to you. And [223:32] then he gave you instructions that [223:33] changed your life and and in in ways [223:35] that were not always good. And then you [223:37] find out it was a lie. It was deception. [223:40] It was manipulation. It was the worst [223:42] kind of blasphemy. [223:44] Imagine that you were one of his [223:45] employees who he sexually harassed and [223:47] dominated in in disgusting ways that [223:50] took you a long time to recover that you [223:51] had to get counseling and it was really [223:54] rough. And then he makes this video. [223:56] >> You've never seen so many ministries [223:58] that have senior leaders or someone [223:59] within their senior team in a prominent [224:01] position go through such public moral [224:03] failures and disgrace. There's so many [224:06] victims that have been left out just out [224:08] in the cold because of this. There [224:09] hasn't been a good process in a lot of [224:11] these places or institutions to help [224:13] victims or families of the victims. But [224:16] God is judging the church. He's actually [224:17] judging the church where he's exposing [224:19] things that need to be corrected because [224:21] he's a good father. And a good father [224:23] wouldn't leave their children in a place [224:25] where they're being abused. A good [224:26] father wouldn't leave his children in a [224:27] place where things don't have justice or [224:30] do you see the cry? Like it's crazy [224:32] ironic. Talk about being able to present [224:35] this video in a new context. See, one of [224:37] the requirements for fair use for me to [224:39] be able to play someone's video is is [224:40] it's transformative. Well, this is [224:42] transformative, man, because this is [224:43] commentary on you and you didn't you you [224:45] didn't see it that way. You didn't know [224:46] it that way. But [224:48] this is eerie. Um God's judging the [224:51] church. There's a lot of accountability. [224:52] God's dealing with people. Yes. Yes, he [224:54] is. And you're one of them. That's the [224:57] thing, Sean. You're one of them. But [224:58] when your victims saw this and when your [225:00] the people you hurt saw this, they [225:02] couldn't stand it. And they and they [225:04] went from being quiet and hoping the [225:05] leaders would deal with it and the [225:06] leaders who distanced themselves and [225:08] protected themselves and didn't protect [225:10] the people. When when those leaders did [225:12] that and the people remained quiet, they [225:14] saw this video and thought, "That's it. [225:16] That's it. We need to go public. We need [225:18] to talk to somebody. We need to we need [225:20] to make more noise." [225:22] This was Sean digging his own grave. [225:23] >> Consequences. But then there's people [225:25] who've been walking with God and they [225:27] know that their no should be no. They [225:28] know their yes should be yes and yet [225:30] they choose something like an affair to [225:32] embezzle money to um use their position [225:34] of spiritual authority wrongly. And God [225:36] judges this. And when God judges this, [225:38] he exposes it and he takes away [225:40] spiritual authority. [225:44] Yes. Which is why you need to quit your [225:46] ministry and stop making prophetic. This [225:48] is so ironic. It's a prophetic video. [225:50] I'm going to give you a prophetic [225:51] perspective on uh uncovering this sin in [225:54] the church and abusive leaders and stuff [225:55] and dealing with that. It's insane that [225:57] he's doing this while talking about [226:00] this. [226:00] >> And he actually allows the person who's [226:02] doing it to go through a season of [226:04] misery. I think I look at it sometimes [226:06] as like a spiritual jail. I'm taking my [226:08] grace off your life in this season [226:10] because you are not partnering to me and [226:12] now you violated people around you. [226:14] turns into these dark spaces get darker [226:16] and corrupted and then bad behaviors [226:19] that are immoral and illegal happen. And [226:23] >> now he's going to say even in this video [226:24] he's like I'm not I mean I haven't done [226:26] anything I've made mistakes but I've [226:27] never done anything like illegal or [226:28] whatever. He distances himself from this [226:30] which infuriates of course the sexual [226:32] harassment from his employees. That's [226:34] illegal dude. That's definitely illegal. [226:37] >> Again that's why I think God has to [226:39] ultimately expose these things. He will [226:40] not let his people be subject to this [226:44] evil forever. Like at some point he's [226:46] going to expose people who do this. And [226:47] I used to deal with a lot of pastors who [226:49] were going through moral failures and [226:51] going through things and then also the [226:52] victims of those situations. What one of [226:54] the common grounds that I saw was as so [226:56] he's presenting himself as somebody [226:57] who's been in a lot of these scenarios [226:59] and he's he's dealt also with the [227:01] victims of these scenarios. Do you [227:03] believe that? Isn't this the guy that [227:05] sicked Paul Kaine on the guy that was [227:07] trying to expose him for his fraudulent [227:09] ministry? [227:11] that they had an issue where they [227:13] couldn't be vulnerable with their sin. [227:15] And so then it just kept compounding and [227:17] compounding. And then once they've [227:18] committed enough sin, how do they share? [227:20] Because they've not tracked with anybody [227:22] for now years. How do they blow this up [227:24] without it becoming a bomb in their [227:26] whole family and their whole church? And [227:28] so it's better to hide. This is not the [227:30] way of the kingdom. This is not how God [227:31] works. And I've had behavior I've had to [227:34] repent of and confess my sins of. [227:36] Anybody has. anybody, especially in [227:38] leadership positions, there's times when [227:39] you did something too long. I'm not [227:41] saying I did anything I can go to jail [227:42] for, whatever, but there's times you did [227:44] something too long that you shouldn't [227:45] have done. Any pastor has done that. Any [227:47] leader has done that. So, he only has [227:49] done common leader mistakes. That's [227:51] that's what he wants to make sure is [227:52] clear in this video. I I've done things [227:54] I had to repent of, but only like normal [227:55] leadership kind of mistakes and [227:57] problems. Dude, there ain't nothing [227:58] normal about the stuff you've done. [227:59] There's nothing normal about that stuff. [228:02] You see why this was the trigger video? [228:04] why this caused people to to call up [228:06] Bethl again. Another round of calling up [228:08] people. [228:10] >> Maybe it's a Matthew 18. Somebody comes [228:11] to you and confronts you and you don't [228:13] respond to that confrontation and it [228:15] ends up being something that's [228:16] publicized and you never really change [228:17] in your heart. There is a final [228:18] condemnation where you're turning your [228:20] back on Jesus. You're turning your back [228:22] on the core principles of truth. And [228:24] that's a scary place to be. Especially [228:26] if our disobedience is causing others to [228:28] sin or others to be oppressed. God will [228:31] expose that somehow. [228:33] his most prophetic moment. [228:38] Sean [228:40] unintentionally declaring what was going [228:41] to happen to him. Our life will not go [228:43] well. I do want to tell you that we have [228:45] in our ministry, we have a lot of [228:47] resources and materials. I have books [228:49] that have become bestsellers on hearing [228:50] God's voice and even for children. We [228:52] have a prophetic parenting kit coming [228:54] up. But something got disappointed in [228:56] you because of a man, because of [228:57] >> I just wanted to include the [228:58] advertisement in there just to have a [229:00] prophetic parenting book. Everything's [229:01] prophetic with Sean, right? cuz he's the [229:03] prophet. He's the He's the golden boy [229:04] prophet of the of the next revelation of [229:07] God's incredible power in the church, [229:08] right? The Pentecost 2.0. And so [229:10] everything's prophetic. Prophetic [229:11] update, prophetic news commentary, [229:13] prophetic parenting. Um, and so he plugs [229:16] that and he's selling his book as well [229:18] in this video. [229:19] >> A woman, because of a pastor, because of [229:20] a leader. And I feel like God wants to [229:22] heal the disappointment in humanity and [229:24] he wants to reappoint our faith in him. [229:26] So my prophetic word is everything in [229:29] leadership that can be shaken is getting [229:30] shaken. and we're watching it right in [229:32] front of us [229:33] >> now. It was already happening. Like this [229:35] this is a a a something that everybody [229:37] knew was already going on as far as it [229:39] shaking goes. But this this was the [229:42] trigger video. Okay. This was December [229:44] of 2023. [229:46] December of 2023. Which led to another [229:49] round of in particular one of my [229:51] witnesses reaching out a different one [229:53] than before than he was who was texting [229:55] with Chris, right? Reaching out to Bethl [229:58] and going there needs to be [229:59] accountability. There needs to be [230:00] something something needs to be done. [230:01] Um, so here's some of the things that [230:03] happened. This witness, uh, he met with [230:07] Bill Johnson personally. Bill was [230:09] incredibly loving and incredibly kind [230:12] according to him and it felt nice to [230:14] meet with him. They spoke without [230:16] identifying Shawn by name and just said [230:18] that he'd been hurt by leaders. And what [230:20] a what a surreal environment where [230:21] you're sitting there with Bill and you [230:22] don't for some reason socially it's just [230:25] it doesn't his name doesn't even come [230:26] up. His name doesn't even come up. What [230:29] is that? How do you not How do you not [230:32] address his What is this, Bill? What is [230:34] this thing you're doing, Bill Johnson? [230:36] His name doesn't even come up. [230:40] Why is it because you wanted to separate [230:43] him from this guy? Let's just Let me see [230:44] if I can just massage this guy, make him [230:46] feel better, and then he can go away [230:47] because our private conversations can I [230:49] can say anything I want publicly. I [230:51] won't actually call this guy out. So, it [230:54] was a nice private conversation. They [230:56] spoke without identifying Shawn and just [230:58] said that my witness had been hurt by [231:00] leaders. Bill prayed for him and Bill [231:03] repented on behalf of leaders in general [231:07] with this individual. There was no [231:09] public accountability. That was in 2023. [231:13] That was right after uh this. [231:17] Then on January 10th in 2025, something [231:21] happened that changed things again. And [231:24] that thing is the minor prophets. [231:34] The minor prophets. That that's the name [231:35] of a YouTube channel. They're not saying [231:37] that they're prophets. Um the Minor [231:38] Prophets YouTube channel. They came out [231:40] and they made a video called Well, the [231:42] thumbnail says, "Everyone knows Shawn BS [231:44] faked it and no one will talk about it." [231:47] And this is the first [231:49] credible credible within the charismatic [231:52] community exposure that happened with [231:55] Sean that I'm aware of that I I would [231:56] say this was this was the one that like [231:58] tipped it over. This caused Bethl alumni [232:03] to start saying, "What is up?" People [232:05] who had been to their school of [232:06] supernatural ministry, they're reaching [232:07] out. They're asking for people to [232:08] comment on this. People are calling for [232:10] Bethl to comment. The reaction was huge. [232:12] This was the first major charismatic [232:13] exposure of Shawn. The thumbnail says [232:15] what it says, right? And they suffered [232:17] great reputation damage. Um, the guys [232:20] that did this, they they suffered. So, [232:22] they had a voice. They actually have [232:23] some platforms. They're actually in [232:25] ministry positions, but they also [232:27] suffered because they called out Shawn [232:29] because the other leaders wouldn't call [232:30] him out. So, anyway, that's how it [232:32] always is. Then, Bethl, a month later [232:35] comes out with a statement. And we're [232:36] going to read that statement. Bethl's [232:39] February 2025 statement comes out [232:43] and I'm I'm going to pull it up here. [232:45] Um, now for the first time, for the [232:47] first time, people have the whole [232:49] background, the whole backstory. You [232:51] know, the conversations with Chris, you [232:52] know what was said behind the scenes by [232:54] Stacy Campbell. Um, you know, all of [232:56] these things. So now when I read this [232:58] statement, you will understand why it [233:00] was not very good. Okay, this was B [233:02] Bethl's statement on Shawn BS to alumni. [233:04] They only gave the statement out to [233:05] alumni. It was not sent to the world. [233:07] was just sent to people who had attended [233:08] their school. February 3rd statement. [233:12] Dear alumni, we know this feels very [233:14] late for some of you. Sorry this has [233:16] taken so long. We're aware that a [233:17] conversation is happening regarding [233:19] Shawn BS and our confrontations with him [233:21] that took place more than 5 years ago, [233:23] right? Cuz minor prophets showed some of [233:25] the evidence I've shown. They didn't [233:26] have all of it, but they showed some of [233:27] it. We have delayed in an effort to [233:29] reflect our recollection accurately as [233:31] the issues are important and complex. [233:34] Right. Shambles had ministered with us [233:37] many times for many years and had a [233:39] great impact on our house. If it was [233:41] fake, it wasn't great. [233:44] We deeply valued and trusted him and [233:46] appreciated his prophetic gift. Many of [233:48] us have received important accurate [233:50] prophecies and words of knowledge from [233:51] him prior to social media being so [233:53] pervasive that we had great confidence [233:55] in. [233:59] Bill says that he would replay [234:01] prophecies from Shawn on his cell phone. [234:04] And I have video of Shawn doing his [234:05] grift on Bill Johnson. I'll I'll share [234:07] that later. This video is going to be so [234:08] long. In 2019, some significant concerns [234:13] came to us from respected international [234:15] leaders regarding irregularities in [234:17] Shaun's word of knowledge gift. 2019, [234:20] you guys knew in 2015 and 2016 and 2017, [234:23] and you're simply not acknowledging it. [234:25] Why? Oh, it wasn't a respected [234:27] international leader. It was just normal [234:29] folks trying to raise the alarm and they [234:31] don't they don't count, I guess. [234:33] who knows what the reason is, but it but [234:35] they knew before that. They knew for all [234:37] I know they knew in 2008. [234:41] For all I knew that they they they knew [234:44] about all this stuff all along. And they [234:45] know that there's fakery. For all I [234:47] know, the gold dust is something that [234:48] they know in intentionally knowingly put [234:51] into their air ducts or wherever just so [234:53] that they could get um all the people to [234:56] come out to Bethl where they could get [234:57] their special anointings. In 2019, some [235:00] significant concerns came to us from [235:01] respected international leaders [235:03] regarding irregularities in Shawn's word [235:05] of knowledge gift that caused them to [235:06] wonder if he may have been using social [235:08] media to generate them. We believe that [235:10] these concerns and the evidence to [235:12] support them were gathered and shared in [235:14] good faith and out of concern for the [235:15] global church. Who cares how they were [235:17] gathered? What if they were gathered by [235:18] like evil atheists who just hate you [235:21] guys? The the question is whether [235:22] they're true or not. That's the [235:23] question. The the good faith thing is [235:25] like let's stop analyzing all the [235:27] witnesses. Maybe they maybe they've got [235:28] ulterior motives. Okay, we should know [235:30] that, but that doesn't mean that what [235:32] they've said isn't true. [235:34] Their presentation of over a dozen words [235:36] amongst the hundreds he's given was a [235:38] small sample size, [235:41] but regardless was validly concerning [235:44] and needed to be addressed for some of [235:46] our team. For some of our team, the [235:48] evidence felt conclusive, but for [235:50] others, it was not. We did not have a [235:52] consensus, but we were very concerned [235:54] and sought to clarify from him. [235:58] who didn't think it was true. Cuz I [236:00] understand hypothetically that Danny [236:02] Silk in the confrontation looked at [236:04] Shawn and said, "You're a liar." In that [236:07] very conversation, Chris says, "I don't [236:09] trust him. He's a deceiver. I won't let [236:11] him minister. He's not welcome at [236:12] Bethl." But here we have for some of our [236:16] team, this is what the public does not [236:18] get the truth. the public could get the [236:20] massaged PR read by a lawyer first [236:23] message [236:25] for some of our team. No consensus. Two [236:29] of our leaders met with Shawn on two [236:31] separate occasions about this. Chris [236:32] flew down from his meeting with Shawn at [236:34] Bill's Bill Johnson's request. Our [236:37] leaders also met with Shawn's board and [236:39] shared the evidence and our concerns. [236:41] Actually, according to Chris, your [236:43] leaders said, "You guys should pull [236:44] Shawn out of ministry. He's guilty. I [236:46] don't know why you guys aren't doing [236:47] it." That that's that's what Chris said [236:49] to one of the victims. Was that true? [236:51] Each time Shawn absolutely denied using [236:54] any social media in his words of [236:55] knowledge or prophecies, Shawn still [236:57] maintains he never used social media in [236:59] any words. And truthfully, unless some [237:01] something changes, only he and the Lord [237:04] really know what took place. [237:09] That's not what you said in private. [237:13] This is deceptive, is it not? Am I not [237:16] right in believing that this was this is [237:18] an intentional deception to the body of [237:21] Christ [237:24] from Bethl Church regarding prophecy, [237:27] regarding their leadership, regarding [237:29] how they've handled uh situations behind [237:31] the scenes, [237:33] cover up culture. [237:35] We ended up in a stalemate without a [237:37] satisfactory resolution of our concerns, [237:40] without definitive proof, repentance, [237:42] and or team consensus. We made no public [237:44] statement because we weren't sure. I [237:46] thought that Chris said he warned all [237:48] the leaders that that he told all the [237:51] people who asked him about Shawn's [237:52] antics and that Shawn wouldn't repent [237:54] and it was shameful. [237:59] This is going to get worse. Let's keep [238:00] reading. It just actually gets worse. [238:02] The leaders who previously investigated [238:04] and gathered the evidence were of course [238:06] free to do what they thought best going [238:07] forward. Is that even true? Really? Were [238:10] they free? [238:12] I I think that they would have known. [238:14] Here's my conjecture. I admit this is [238:16] conjecture. I think they would have [238:17] known. If we publicly call out Sean, [238:19] Bill Johnson is not going to be happy [238:20] and you do not want an angry bill at [238:22] you. He will passive aggressive you and [238:24] you will disappear from your effective [238:27] your effective ministry will just will [238:29] just be shrunk. Um that that is what my [238:32] conjecture is. I do think it's it's [238:36] likely. Around the same time, one of [238:37] Shawn's employees made allegations [238:39] concerning inappropriate behavior and [238:41] unacceptable work environment. [238:43] Inappropriate behavior and an [238:45] unacceptable work environment. Is that [238:47] does that sound like what he was [238:48] alleging? [238:50] That is so softened. [238:52] And it is not just one of Sean's [238:54] employees. There are multiple. There are [238:56] a number of them. And they could have [238:57] had many, many of them to interview and [238:59] discuss with if they had bothered even [239:01] trying. But they didn't. They didn't. [239:04] Though Shawn was not and is not under [239:05] our authority, one of our leaders found [239:07] another impacted former team member went [239:09] to Shawn and confronted him on those [239:11] issues over several difficult [239:12] conversations and admonished him that [239:14] this behavior was completely [239:15] unacceptable and that he should take [239:17] responsibility. [239:18] He indicated to us that the behaviors [239:20] that had taken place had stopped. [239:24] Right. Right. That's going to go in the [239:26] letter. Hey guys, Sean says he stopped [239:30] the vague behaviors of in unacceptable [239:32] work environment and inappropriate [239:34] behavior. Now, in the initial release of [239:37] this letter, this letter Bethl had he [239:39] they sent it over to to some of the guys [239:42] some some of Shawn's former employees [239:44] and they saw this and they were really [239:46] bothered in the vague vague language [239:48] that they used to discuss what Shambles [239:50] did with them. And so they were like, [239:53] you need to call this sexual harassment. [239:55] You can't just say it was unacceptable [239:56] work environment or inappropriate [239:58] behavior. You need to use the phrase [239:59] sexual harassment. So here was Bethl's [240:01] next draft and the one that went public. [240:03] It said, "Though we are not experts, [240:05] these behaviors seemed to fit the [240:07] descriptions of sexual harassment and a [240:09] hostile work environment as commonly [240:11] taught in HR training and had potential [240:14] legal ramifications. It's it's a [240:16] technicality here. It seems to appear [240:19] possibly could be, you know, but he [240:20] indicated to us that they' stopped. But [240:22] you know this is shameful. [240:26] This was included at their request. [240:28] That's what I was told. Um and the and [240:31] the statement was if you don't if you [240:33] don't call it sexual harassment, we're [240:34] going to take our group of people and [240:35] we're going to go public, Bethl. We're [240:37] going to go public. You know what Bethl [240:39] should have done with those group? They [240:40] should have said, "Let's help you go [240:40] public. Let's help you tell the truth [240:42] about what happened." Instead, they did [240:44] this sick little cover-up culture thing. [240:46] This is currently on their website even [240:48] now. We recommend we recommended they [240:51] take action in seeking a remedy through [240:53] the justice system such as the labor [240:54] board, arbiters or courts as there was [240:56] no real movement from Shawn to address [240:58] the past situations and we had done what [241:00] we could given the limited level of [241:02] knowledge that we had at the time. [241:03] That's deceptive. We spoke to his board [241:05] regarding this area of concern. Spoke to [241:08] his board. You you claim that you asked [241:10] the board Christa we implying that Bethl [241:14] asked the board to take Shawn out of [241:15] ministry and then when he wouldn't do it [241:17] you didn't warn people. [241:20] Romans 13 teaches us that God has placed [241:22] civil leaders in a place in place as [241:25] ministers of God for the kinder for the [241:26] kinds of issues his former team members [241:28] brought to us. Now the reason they're [241:29] including this I think is because in the [241:31] leaked text messages Chris counsels him [241:33] maybe you should sue him. If he hadn't [241:35] said that in the text, I don't think [241:36] they would have included this in the [241:38] letter here. So, he was trying to [241:39] explain like, why would you say sue [241:41] Shawn? Now, here they're trying to make [241:42] it sound like, no, no, no, like, you [241:44] know, Romans 13, this is just about [241:46] civil leaders and da da da. Um, so I [241:49] think it's about that. Furthermore, [241:50] their experience was absolutely [241:51] important and personal and as such was [241:54] their story to tell, not ours, and to [241:56] take action if they desired. This is a [241:59] cowardly thing to say. They came to you [242:01] guys for help. You you should have [242:04] helped them tell their story. You should [242:05] have put out a warning as you were [242:07] requested to by in the text message [242:09] conversation by one of the victims who [242:11] was like, "Can you guys just put out a [242:12] statement? Can Bethl just put out a [242:13] warning? Can you guys please tell the [242:14] story?" They asked you to help them tell [242:16] their story. And you're like, "No, no, [242:18] no. It's only for you to tell. Only for [242:20] you." Meaning, no one's going to help [242:21] you. This is the general context to [242:23] which Chris was speaking in the text [242:25] messages that were posted on social [242:26] media. Did you hear that? This is Bethl [242:29] confirming that those are real text [242:31] messages. Those are real and they're [242:34] confirming it here. I don't know if they [242:35] realized this was the what was going to [242:37] happen with that. They've confirmed now [242:38] that those that text conversation was [242:40] legit, which means that what that guy [242:41] that sent them to me was real and he [242:43] sent me even more than the stuff that [242:44] they had seen. This is all real. [242:48] Corroborating evidence. Shawn was a [242:50] trusted guest minister who spoke often [242:52] on our platform. If Shawn worked for us [242:54] or was truly or officially under our [242:56] covering, the situation would have been [242:58] handled much differently. this phrase, [243:01] if Sean worked for us or was truly or [243:03] officially under our covering. This like [243:05] idea of a spiritual covering. Shawn [243:07] referred to them at points as their [243:08] mother church. Shawn called him a [243:10] spiritual son or excuse me, Bill called [243:11] him a spiritual son reportedly and you [243:14] know it was Bill who put him on stage [243:16] and he said Shawn is uh one of our most [243:20] trusted friends. They introduced him as [243:22] one of the most prophetic people on the [243:24] planet. You have covered him. Now you [243:27] need to uncover him. That's how this [243:28] works. [243:29] We would have not just appealed to Shawn [243:31] if they felt a responsibility, which [243:33] they did not. We would not just have [243:34] appealed to Shawn. We would have [243:35] required comprehensive and righteous [243:37] response. Whether related or not, [243:39] shortly after we addressed our concerns, [243:41] it appeared that Shawn took steps vagory [243:44] to adjust how he operated in words of [243:46] knowledge. He just recently spoke to [243:47] some of the changes he's made, which can [243:49] be found on his website here. This is [243:51] Bethl doing damage control for Shawn BS. [243:55] It uh we're going to read it. We're [243:57] going to read it. Okay. This is what [243:59] Shambles actually says in his statement [244:00] that will supposedly talk about [244:02] according to Bethl. It's very important [244:03] we pay attention to the details. This [244:05] describes how he took steps to adjust [244:08] how he operated in words of knowledge. [244:10] And he just spoke about that here. So [244:13] here's Sean's website. We're going to [244:15] read some sections from it. Statement of [244:18] community of commitment to prophetic [244:20] integrity promoting healthy prophetic [244:22] ministry. [244:24] Ask yourself if this is Sean admitting [244:26] anything, changing anything, altering [244:29] anything. As a ministry, we would never [244:32] condone and we would refute that we [244:34] would ever find information online to [244:36] prophesy over people because this has [244:38] happened historically with a few [244:39] individuals. There is suspicion that has [244:41] been created and we have been accused of [244:44] this several times, specifically from [244:46] 2016 to 2019. What is this? This is [244:49] Shawn acknowledging that the allegations [244:51] were go back at least as far as 2016. [244:54] that the allegations go back at least [244:56] that far. Again, confirming pieces of [244:57] evidence. Notice that Sean says we when [244:59] he's talking about Shawn. Shawn is the [245:01] only guy they're talking about. We We We [245:04] No, it's just you, Sean. He goes on, [245:06] "When we when we were traveling [245:08] full-time and modeling and teaching the [245:10] body of Christ how to pursue the [245:13] spiritual gift of the words of of words [245:15] of knowledge, which hasn't had a lot of [245:16] teaching around it up until this current [245:18] generation, he's bragging. He's actually [245:21] bragging about his special unique [245:22] ministry that is like you know it's [245:24] something new. He's bringing you to the [245:26] new level spiritually [245:28] practicing points of our prophetic [245:30] standards. Okay. So this is their [245:32] standards. Again notice he confesses [245:34] nothing but he words very carefully this [245:37] letter that Bethl actually encouraged [245:40] people to read. Put in their letter. [245:42] Here we go. Make a little bigger for you [245:43] guys. [245:46] Yeah. All right. Notice what he says. [245:51] In 2019, there were a lot of questions [245:54] about words of knowledge and the [245:55] theology of the prophetic being directed [245:56] at our ministry. These were important [245:59] questions specifically around words of [246:00] knowledge as well as some asking what [246:03] are the boundaries of making prophetic [246:04] predictions over relationships or [246:06] finances, right? Because people made [246:08] investment choices. Elijah lost most of [246:10] his uh retirement because of Shawn. Um, [246:14] I've talked to three different people [246:15] who entered into marriages because Sean [246:18] told them to um said it was God. Because [246:21] of these, we really wanted to define [246:24] what we felt like would be the most [246:25] healthy version of good boundaries and [246:27] also clearly take a stand for what is a [246:29] good word of knowledge. We decided, we [246:32] meaning Sean, to change some of the ways [246:33] that I minister publicly as well as how [246:36] our teams that we have sent out would [246:38] minister to create safety and health. [246:41] Okay. So, here is a change that he made. [246:43] He denies everything, but he changed [246:45] anyways. Why? Because he's guilty. We as [246:48] a ministry [246:50] fight for the gifts of the Holy Spirit [246:51] and their purpose in the body of Christ, [246:53] especially in the prophetic as part of [246:55] what we think brings a well-balanced [246:56] Christian life. We made several changes [246:58] in our ministry team back in 2019 and my [247:00] own personal public platform to help [247:02] flow in the word of knowledge gifting [247:04] without having as much room for [247:05] criticism and doubt. Again, not change [247:08] it because of guilt, change it because [247:10] of criticism and doubt. [247:12] This was about reputation control. [247:14] That's it. So, they're talking about [247:16] accusations and they're saying, you [247:17] know, Sean made took steps to adjust how [247:20] he operates in word of knowledge. The [247:21] implication is he's taking steps because [247:23] he's done something wrong. He's fixing [247:25] it. He's not fixing anything. We want to [247:28] share some of these commitments and [247:29] protocols our ministry adopted to help [247:31] others who want to help share the [247:33] genuine prophetic gift. So, here we are. [247:35] Instead of I repent, here's what I did [247:37] wrong. It's allow us to teach you guys [247:39] how to live your life better with [247:41] prophecy, the very thing that he abuses. [247:43] Here are some of the standards we set in [247:45] our ministry when it comes to practicing [247:46] prophetic gifts so you can see what is [247:48] important to our ministry. And hopefully [247:51] it can help inform your own approach if [247:53] you're new to this or help sharpen you [247:54] if you're unfamiliar with practicing the [247:56] prophetic. We are consistently adjusting [247:58] our ministry protocols to keep the [248:00] people who the people we are called to [248:02] minister to safe as well as the people [248:04] who practice it. Most of these protocols [248:06] were already being practiced, but we [248:07] reinforce them and have held the line [248:09] for years. [248:12] Okay? So, he's godly, he's righteous, [248:14] he's actually the example for others to [248:15] follow. That's that's his that's his [248:17] statement. [248:19] Words of knowledge. We will not share [248:21] any information that is obvious as a [248:23] word of knowledge. meaning it can be [248:25] found online like birthdays, [248:26] anniversaries, people's names, addresses [248:28] in our prophetic words. Ask God for what [248:31] 1 Corinthians 14 says is the secrets of [248:33] the heart. In this way, people can have [248:35] confidence that if a word comes, it came [248:37] from God. Oh, so he he's not going to do [248:39] what was the entire center point of his [248:41] entire ministry. What was the foundation [248:43] of his book? What was the reason he [248:44] became the wonder child? That he the [248:46] reason why his ministry took off, why [248:48] people were seeking him out, why he was [248:50] the most prophetic person, the most [248:51] accurate words of knowledge I've ever [248:52] seen. That's what what uh Chris Valatin [248:55] had said about him. And he goes about [248:57] this policy. He says most of these [248:59] protocols were already being practiced. [249:02] We'vefor reinforced them and held the [249:03] line for years. We will not share words [249:06] of knowledge about someone's pain, [249:07] relational issues, or anything negative [249:09] publicly. Actually, you talked about [249:11] people losing their children. You talked [249:12] about people losing their family [249:13] members, losing a mother. [249:16] You used people's pain and loss to make [249:20] yourself look like a prophet, Sean. And [249:22] you're saying we will not, you know, he [249:23] never says we we never have. [249:26] They have. He says they've held most of [249:28] these all along. Not true. This is what [249:31] Bethl has pointed people to. [249:35] This is why people are upset that even [249:36] when they brought out this thing where [249:38] they're like, "Wow, they kind of brought [249:38] a statement out, Mike. This is why the [249:40] people who know what's going on are [249:41] like, this is actually very bad, guys. [249:43] It's actually very bad." [249:46] It's easy to go to a place of inner it's [249:48] it's easy to go to a place of inner [249:49] healing or what is wrong. But if you're [249:51] going to share these things in front of [249:52] their family or friends, it can put them [249:54] in a bad light or cause [249:55] misunderstanding. [249:57] We will not share words of knowledge [249:58] about resources or finances publicly. [250:02] Publicly cuz Sean still does this [250:04] finances and resources publicly probably [250:06] to people he sees as money bags [250:09] because it puts pressure on exposing [250:11] someone's condition to people who aren't [250:12] involved. People who have money can be [250:14] pursued wrongly. You are very familiar [250:16] with that. People who don't have it can [250:18] become shamed. [250:20] prophecy. We will not share prophetic [250:22] words publicly that are about judgment [250:23] or correction. That's an unbiblical [250:25] rule. Actually, you shouldn't have that [250:26] rule. We will not prophesy about [250:28] romantic relationships with people who [250:30] are not married. Oh, I wonder why you're [250:32] not going to do that anymore. Jubilee [250:34] Dawn is the reason why. Cuz she went [250:36] public and told everybody what you did [250:38] to her. [250:40] Shameful, man. You won't even repent. [250:42] You won't even repent of it. We will not [250:45] prophesy about business deals or [250:46] contracts with specific groups or people [250:48] or that finances or resources are [250:49] supposed to be given away that are not [250:51] yours. We will also not prophesy about [250:54] business partnerships with specific [250:56] people together or that someone will be [250:58] working with someone else by name [250:59] because it can cause confusion and [251:00] manipulation. I remember the rich couple [251:02] telling me about how this was happening [251:03] to them from you and others in your [251:05] circle. [251:06] We will not prophesy over people [251:08] struggling with infertility by promising [251:10] they will get pregnant. We will not [251:11] prophesy conditional words. Unless you [251:14] do this, this will not happen. No words [251:15] with ultimatums. It it okay. I mean, God [251:18] prophesies with conditional words all [251:20] the time. So, I don't know. I don't know [251:21] what that's about. Discernment. We will [251:22] not share negative things we have [251:24] discerned publicly about individuals or [251:26] other believers. We will not share [251:27] public discernment over individuals [251:28] about the demonic. [251:31] Really? Do you guys remember the video [251:32] where he says that the attacks on him [251:34] was the biggest coordinated Jezebel [251:36] spirit he's ever seen? What is that? [251:39] That's his discernment about all the [251:41] people like the bloggers, the people who [251:42] made videos. They were attacking. That [251:44] was the coordinated Jezebel spirit. [251:46] That's what that was. That was him doing [251:48] the very thing he says that they won't [251:49] do. [251:51] How long is this statement? I don't I [251:53] don't think I can even even read this [251:54] whole thing. This is super annoying. [251:56] Sean BS, you guys can look at it [251:57] yourself. Go to his web page. Currently, [251:59] it's it's on the front page of his page. [252:01] You can find it easily. Um, so we won't [252:04] post Oh, this one I got to read. We will [252:05] not post internet videos or social media [252:08] videos of our own prophecy over others. [252:11] Guess what? Cuz it's just getting him in [252:12] trouble. As soon as he posts a video, [252:14] we're like, "Google, Google. Oh, look. [252:16] There's them. There's their dog. There's [252:17] their there's their their mom." And we [252:19] find out the information was all readily [252:21] available. He got busted. That's why. If [252:24] they want to post it, let them. But it's [252:26] their story, not ours. Unless they [252:27] specifically give us permission. [252:29] Remember, in the social media age, [252:31] people who were against this kind of [252:32] ministry may track them down and harass [252:34] them. We are seeing such an increased [252:35] harassment of people who share their [252:37] testimonies of our prophetic ministry [252:39] that for their sake, we took them down [252:41] so they can tell their own stories about [252:43] us. [252:45] Oh my goodness. [252:47] Now, I would never harass anybody who [252:50] was targeted and manipulated and [252:52] deceived and abused by Shawn, but it's [252:55] crazy. He's using them as a shield. He's [252:57] adding insult to their injury and he's [252:59] using them as a shield now. [253:03] All right, that's here. Here he says [253:05] something personally. I'll just read [253:06] this last part. Um, we have never had to [253:10] correct our team in a big way for [253:12] violating any of these standards because [253:14] they are relational guards to keep [253:15] everyone safe. Feel free to adopt them [253:17] in your ministry team. Although I, Shawn [253:20] BS, do do a uh do not do a lot of [253:23] traveling ministry anymore. and our [253:26] focus has turned to media/entertainment. [253:28] I still want to help support the [253:30] prophetic ministry and movement and [253:32] steward my relationships that have been [253:34] for over 30 years in this ministry in [253:35] the healthiest way possible. This is our [253:37] commitment as a ministry to you and to [253:39] the body of Christ. [253:42] So Sean's comm commitment to them [253:45] ultimately boils down to I'm innocent [253:48] and and I won't do it anymore so please [253:50] leave me alone. [253:52] Is that how you read it? That's how I [253:53] read it. And that's how it came off in [253:55] Chris's text conversation with with one [253:56] of the witnesses was like, "Hey, he [253:58] won't clean up his mess. He won't admit [253:59] it. He's guilty, but he's going to, you [254:01] know, he's going to stop prophesying, [254:02] right? Like he's he's he's going to quit [254:04] doing a lot of these things." All he [254:06] did, I believe, was move it to the [254:07] private realm. No more videos. No more [254:09] public analysis. Privately, I'll do all [254:11] my stuff, but publicly I'll only do [254:13] these prophetic generic words and things [254:15] that are harder to test. And so that's [254:17] what he's done because he's going to get [254:18] a going to do thetick as much as he can [254:20] because the only time he gets views is [254:22] when he does prophecy stuff for the most [254:24] part. [254:26] Let's read the rest of the letter from [254:28] Bethl. In the absence of clarity about [254:31] both what really happened and some of [254:32] the words of knowledge and having [254:34] addressed the issues with his former [254:35] team members and found his response [254:36] lacking, we made the decision to step [254:38] back from our ministry connection. This [254:40] meant one, and here's where I believe [254:43] they deceive people even more. We did [254:45] not have him ministering to our people [254:47] or movement or have his materials in our [254:49] stores, though we missed some things [254:50] until recently. Remember the text [254:52] messages like, "Dude, his books are [254:53] still in your stores." So, if Shawn [254:56] gives a word of knowledge to people at [254:58] Bethl and they carry that word and they [255:00] live their life based upon that word, is [255:02] he not actively ministering to your [255:03] people in your movement unless you do [255:05] something to undo it? They didn't do [255:07] anything though. Number two, we [255:09] communicated our concern, confusion, and [255:11] his denials to the leaders. Confusion. [255:14] Wait, confusion? Did you tell the [255:16] leaders you were confused or that Shawn [255:17] was guilty? Cuz Chris made it sound like [255:20] you told him that he was guilty, but you [255:22] don't want to admit he's guilty now. [255:24] Maybe because of Bill Johnson. And Bill [255:25] Johnson's like, "No, you got to be nice [255:27] to Shawn." [255:29] So, the letter has to be written this [255:30] way. This doesn't look like what [255:32] happened. Stacy Campbell says says it, [255:34] "Dude, Chris, eat me. I don't trust [255:36] him." No, he I won't have anything to do [255:39] with him. You didn't just communicate [255:41] concern and confusion and his denials. [255:44] to the leaders who initially raised [255:46] concerns about the words of knowledge [255:47] with us as well as to leaders closely [255:49] connected to Shawn and made the evidence [255:50] available to them for them to make their [255:52] own decision. You know, a leader, a [255:53] leader that was closely connected to [255:55] Shawn is Elijah Stevens who said, "Hey, [255:58] I heard Shawn was faking these things. [256:00] No, you guys haven't told me anything [256:01] about this. Is it true?" And Dan Fairley [256:02] like I don't know anything about it. And [256:04] then Chris doesn't tell him. He doesn't [256:07] tell him. [256:08] He didn't give him the evidence. He [256:10] didn't make it available to him. [256:16] This was all right. Number three, we [256:19] firmly admonished and warned him and he [256:22] responded by making some changes in both [256:24] of these areas. What does that even [256:26] mean, some changes? He just went [256:28] underground with it, guys. We made it a [256:30] clear goal or we made it clear that [256:32] global leaders were concerned and [256:34] watching closely. This is cloak and [256:37] dagger stuff. [256:39] What happened was global leaders just [256:40] backed off of Sean because he's now [256:42] lepous and there's people in the wings [256:43] that might at any point expose him or [256:45] Mike Winger might make a video about it [256:46] and use their use their testimonies and [256:48] so we don't want to be around him [256:50] because then we're going to get drug [256:50] into it. Well, it's it's too late. You [256:52] are drugged into it. These were all [256:54] clear boundaries that produce some of [256:56] the necessary changes. What does that [256:57] even mean? 1 Timothy 5:20 and and are [257:00] they necessary changes if you don't know [257:02] if he's even guilty or not? How are [257:04] they? This makes no sense. Are they [257:07] necessary changes? But if he isn't [257:09] guilty, then they're not necessary. You [257:11] should be defending him. 1 Timothy 5:20, [257:14] ah, this is the theme verse for this [257:16] whole thing. It says, "To publicly [257:18] rebuke elders who continue in sin." [257:22] We weren't entirely clear what was [257:24] happening in the words of knowledge and [257:25] unaware of the scope of his issues with [257:26] his former team members, but believed he [257:28] changed his behavior. Wait, what? We [257:32] don't we don't know what we don't even [257:33] know if he did anything, but but he [257:34] changed. Was [257:37] this schizophrenic? How did this how was [257:39] this written? And the work environment [257:41] going forward after our confrontation. [257:42] So we didn't did not make a public [257:44] statement. In the past, we've only [257:46] brought public admonition to those [257:48] outside of our organization in cases [257:50] where no acknowledgement and change has [257:51] taken place after correction. There was [257:54] no real acknowledgement and there was no [257:56] proper change. Okay. Yes, it was some [257:58] change. He's going to be not invited to [258:01] our conferences anymore. There's a [258:02] change. Sean just kept going though. [258:05] Later on, he eventually stops doing the [258:08] some of the videos and some of the stuff [258:10] um publicly, but no, don't call that [258:12] change. That's not fair. We empathize. [258:15] We empathize with those who are confused [258:18] and disappointed over this situation. [258:19] I'm not confused. I am disappointed. We [258:22] feel the same. No, stop. You cannot put [258:25] yourself in that role. This is a tender, [258:27] confusing, and complex situation. As it [258:29] stands, our trust in Shawn is still [258:31] unrepaired. Having Why is it unrepaired [258:34] if you don't know if he's guilty or not? [258:37] Having privately admonished him, this [258:39] letter is only intended to clarify the [258:41] journey we are on. What did you admonish [258:42] him privately? According to this letter, [258:44] according to what Chris told others [258:46] reportedly, uh we know what you [258:48] admonished him about. It was uh you need [258:49] to repent. You're you're messed up. [258:51] You're a liar. You're just you've [258:52] deceiving people. Um and you can't have [258:55] anything to do with this. But privately, [258:57] according to this letter, the [258:57] admonishment would be something like hey [258:59] man, if you're guilty, you should [259:00] probably do something about it. So this [259:02] letter is only intended to clarify the [259:04] journey we were on and the steps we've [259:06] taken to given that it is now a wider [259:08] conversation. Right? So confirmation [259:11] that this letter is sent out as a as a I [259:15] will call it a damage control method [259:16] because it's all public now because [259:18] people know because text messages [259:19] privately given were sent out to the [259:21] public and people were like you guys did [259:22] what what was going on behind the [259:24] scenes. We receive and value the [259:26] feedback that our actions may have been [259:28] too subtle and difficult to decipher. [259:32] They don't I don't think they realize [259:33] how annoying it would be for people to [259:34] read this document. [259:37] It feels very much um gaslighty and that [259:41] it would have been more helpful to at [259:42] least openly acknowledge that we were [259:44] creating distance with Shawn due to our [259:45] concerns. We acknowledge we have more to [259:47] learn in handling situations outside of [259:49] our staff environment with greater [259:50] clarity and have been working for the [259:52] last several months on standardized [259:53] procedures for hearing and responding to [259:55] concerns in order to create an even [259:57] healthier church culture. I don't I [259:59] don't trust that. [260:01] Words of knowledge are a significant and [260:02] important element of conveying the heart [260:04] of God, demanding high levels of [260:06] integrity, accountability, and [260:08] responsibility. And our work [260:10] environments and team relationships must [260:12] be full of holiness, respect, [260:13] appropriate behavior, and safety such [260:16] that they reflect the joy and glory of [260:18] God. We pray that the Holy Spirit brings [260:21] wisdom, humility, comfort, and [260:22] instruction to each of us. Signed, Bethl [260:25] leadership. [260:26] They don't believe in the accountability [260:28] and responsibility or the integrity [260:30] part. I don't think you guys believe in [260:31] that. I don't I don't believe you do. [260:36] This came off to many people as very [260:39] much damage control. Uh a lot of the [260:41] alumni I understand were pretty upset [260:43] with it. Certainly Sean's victims were [260:44] upset. Certainly people like Jubilee [260:46] Dawn or Elijah were certainly upset. [260:47] This is deceptive even about Elijah. [260:50] Really, really bad stuff. And again, the [260:52] witnesses said if you don't put they [260:54] they had the word harassment in there. [260:55] They said, "If you don't call it sexual [260:56] harassment, we're going to go public." [260:58] And then they put it in there with all [260:59] the technicalities and caveats. So Bethl [261:02] knew. He knew they knew and and and it's [261:04] confirmed now through lots of different [261:05] evidence. They knew about the sexual [261:07] allegations against Shawn in late 2021 [261:10] and into early 2022. For sure they knew [261:12] about it by then. Danny reached out to [261:15] one of my witnesses who confirmed it. So [261:18] there was multiple witnesses as they [261:19] mentioned in this letter. They confirmed [261:21] that that is in fact true. Chris then [261:24] confronted Shawn in 2021 and that's when [261:26] everybody started cancelling Shawn, [261:29] right? When you have these people in the [261:30] wings who were like, "Guys, can you go [261:32] public? Patricia King, can you go [261:33] public? Jayon, can you go public? Can [261:35] you guys please go public?" So now [261:36] there's this threat of things going [261:37] public. And that is when that is when [261:40] supposedly all this stuff really really [261:42] went down. But there's Jason Smmedley. [261:45] Now Jason experienced some of this stuff [261:48] himself. Let me bring it up. He says the [261:50] following. This is actually in a in a a [261:53] post that just recently was made u where [261:55] Jason says like he responded to me on [261:57] Twitter and I was very glad he did cuz [261:58] I'd heard from other people about Jason [262:00] and that Jason had in uh 2015 he started [262:03] to record Shawn's words because he [262:05] suspected that they were he was getting [262:06] him off social media and then 2016 he's [262:09] doing this more. He's starting to tell [262:10] more and more people about it. And that [262:13] is after that is when Paul Kane comes [262:14] after him and here he talks about it. He [262:17] says, "I was at Bethl back when they [262:18] first gave Shawn a platform, and I'm [262:20] 100% convinced they intentionally [262:22] promoted him, knowing full well he was a [262:25] false prophet. My experience confronting [262:27] this situation led to a nervous [262:29] breakdown. Paul Kaine came after me. The [262:31] whole thing was crazy." And Jason [262:34] certainly has a story to tell. This [262:37] video is too long, so I'm not going to [262:39] try and do all that. But I will say I've [262:41] been uh connected with him a little bit [262:43] on on on on social media. We've been [262:45] talking a bit and I do believe him. I [262:47] heard about him months and months ago [262:49] and I was so glad that he actually spoke [262:50] out. [262:52] There's emails and evidence that he has [262:54] as well that maybe at some point will go [262:55] public. That's up to Jason if he wants [262:56] to do that. No pressure on you, man. You [262:58] you can just go on live with your live [262:59] your life if you want. But I think [263:00] enough has come out that people people [263:02] can't hide it anymore. They understand [263:04] that the Bethl statement was garbage. [263:06] That Sean's statement was deceitful and [263:08] manipulative um and not real. So here's [263:12] my conjecture. [263:20] I think Bethl is simply okay with a [263:22] certain amount of faking of prophecy and [263:24] of healings. I just I really believe [263:25] this. I'm convinced of it. They just are [263:27] okay with it. They don't mind. They [263:28] don't mind at all. And that is systemic [263:30] in the charismatic movement amongst the [263:32] people that are especially connected to [263:33] Bethl. When you look at people like [263:35] Jesus Image, you look at people like [263:36] Morning Star and IHOP, there's just a [263:39] willingness to be okay. I talked to uh [263:41] John O'Hal who was a former leader part [263:43] of IHOP and he told me that it was [263:45] standard practice among the Kansas City [263:48] prophets. These are like the foundation [263:49] guys from Morning Star and Bethl and um [263:52] uh and IHOP that the standard practice [263:56] for these guys was that it was okay to [263:57] be wrong 70% of the time it was simply [264:00] no big deal. This causes abuses. They [264:02] see it as hamburger helper. I did my [264:04] interview with Jediah Hartley where he [264:06] talks about his dad who is Bob Hartley [264:08] who is part of Bethl and part of IHOP [264:11] and how he he not only was faking [264:14] prophecy on the regular but that [264:16] everyone does it and it's okay. It's [264:19] hamburger helper is the phrase he used. [264:22] >> And the theory was that my dad was 90% [264:25] prophetic and then 20 or 10% was this [264:30] hamburger helper. That's what they used [264:32] to call it. hamburger helper. Um, that [264:35] was a term Bob Jones used, Mike Bickl [264:37] used, other individuals used to talk [264:40] about the sort of adding a little flavor [264:42] to the meat to make it a more complete [264:44] meal. That was the idea. Um, and so my [264:50] dad would, it didn't take me, it took me [264:53] until I was like in my mid20s before I [264:56] grew like enough awareness to realize, [264:58] no, the whole thing is fraudulent. It's [265:02] not 90% God and 10% man. It just the [265:07] whole thing is a gimmick and be like [265:10] just because everyone is doing this in [265:12] the community doesn't mean that it's [265:13] okay or it's right. The defense of this [265:16] sort of prophetic [265:19] um fraud for lack of a better word was [265:24] that everyone did it. So [265:28] his mentors Paul Kaine and Bob Jones uh [265:33] who were huge figures in the sort of [265:36] prophetic movement um would do things [265:39] like this. They would get information [265:41] from non-ivine means and then they would [265:45] pretend like it was from God. This was [265:47] before the age of Facebook, but [265:49] specifically Paul Kaine had a genealogy [265:52] program that he had installed on his [265:55] computer that he was would look up [265:59] people's genealogy. And so he would have [266:01] specific prophecies about grandfathers [266:04] and and lines. Like if you just had the [266:07] name, you could kind of find very [266:10] specific information. So, [266:12] so one of the defenses that my dad gave [266:14] was that everyone does it. The second [266:18] was this hamburger helper defense, which [266:21] was not to totally defend it, but it was [266:24] to contextualize it. It was the idea was [266:27] that it's not good. We shouldn't do it, [266:31] but everyone does it a little bit. It's [266:33] okay. It's just this idea of like the [266:35] meat is still God. Most of it is still [266:38] God, but then we'll add some extra [266:40] fabrication [266:42] just to add a little sizzle. Prophecy is [266:46] hard. It makes it more palatable for [266:49] people. So, when you're caught with it, [266:51] it's like, you're right. I should stop [266:52] doing it. But it's not like this [266:54] invalidates my entire ministry. This is [266:57] some huge thing. It's kind of like, [267:02] you know, getting caught speeding or [267:04] something like that. It's like we [267:05] shouldn't do it. Yeah, [267:06] >> but it's understandable and it makes [267:09] sense. And Mike Bickl and Bob Jones [267:12] would talk about it in the same way [267:14] behind closed doors in front of in front [267:17] of camera. Like Mike talked about it and [267:20] he used it in a slightly more in a [267:23] slightly different sense to be like [267:24] there's a lot of fakers out there, but I [267:26] don't pay attention to the fakers. I [267:28] just pay attention to the people who are [267:30] genuine. [267:31] But that's not how it was used. It was [267:33] everyone has a little of the fake and [267:34] everyone has a little of the [267:36] >> because I know that I know the value of [267:38] genuine manifestations. They're real. [267:39] Again, I've seen and it hadn't happened [267:41] to me, but I've seen people thrashed [267:42] around and I've seen people thrown [267:44] against walls and across rooms and and [267:46] I've seen a lot of fake, but I've seen a [267:48] lot of real. The real's worth it. I will [267:50] allow the fake. I don't want the fake on [267:52] the platform because I I don't want to [267:54] promote the fake, but I'll allow the [267:55] fake in the room because I so believe in [267:56] the genuine. I've had people say that [267:58] over the years, you know, they said, you [267:59] know, you know, I've had students, you [268:00] know, some of this seems fake. I go, "It [268:02] is." They go, "What?" I go, "Most of [268:05] it's fake." Go, "What do you mean?" I [268:07] said, "I've been watching this 40 years. [268:08] Most places that I've been, the majority [268:10] of the manifestations are not caused by [268:12] the Holy Spirit." They go, "Really?" But [268:13] I said, "But the problem is not all [268:16] fake." And the genuine is in our midst. [268:18] And I will allow a whole lot of [268:19] Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine [268:21] take place. I said, "I won't promote it, [268:23] but I will allow it because the genuine [268:25] is so important to the kingdom of God." [268:28] But that always throws off people if [268:29] they're young and new at this. They go, [268:30] "It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go just, [268:31] you know, don't be so open-minded your [268:33] brains fall out. You can understand that [268:35] the real and the genuine and the fake [268:37] all exist together in one setting. And [268:39] it's that way everywhere. There's [268:40] nothing unique here. It's not any [268:41] different here than anywhere. It's that [268:42] way everywhere. I've I've been in [268:44] revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings [268:46] in many countries. So, I believe in [268:48] prophecies, dreams, visions, healings. [268:50] I've seen the manifestations of the Holy [268:52] Spirit so powerful, so real. Some of [268:54] them bizarre, but real. I've seen a lot [268:56] of people fake them in our community. [268:59] healings, dreams, visions, all that [269:01] stuff. But you know what I do? I am so [269:02] zealous for the real. I'm so hungry for [269:04] the real that I don't get offended by [269:07] what I call the hamburger helper and the [269:10] the addited extra. Some people fake them [269:12] blatantly. Some people don't fake them. [269:15] They're genuinely seeking them, but [269:17] still the experience isn't real, though [269:19] the people are genuine. There's all [269:21] kinds of categories, but I am not [269:24] throwing away the real because humans [269:27] are involved. And there's some of that [269:29] other stuff. [269:30] >> For anybody who's still at this stage is [269:31] thinking, you know, maybe he's right. [269:33] Maybe it was like mostly real and only [269:35] somewhat fake. You know, Mike was a guy [269:37] of integrity and he really tried to [269:39] steward well the prophetic. Allow me to [269:41] read to you from the Kansas City Star. [269:43] This is about the independent [269:45] investigation that showed Mike Bickl had [269:47] 17 victims. This just recently happened [269:49] and it came out, but he's been doing it [269:50] for decades. I read here from the report [269:52] of the Kansas City Star talking about [269:55] the independent investigation. It says, [269:56] "The 68page report names the woman [269:59] identified as Jane Doe, whose [270:00] allegations about Bickl were made public [270:02] in October 2023, causing upheaval in the [270:05] 247 global prayer movement, that's IHOP, [270:08] and inspiring other women to come [270:10] forward." Deborah Perkins said that [270:12] Bickl used prophecies to groom, sexually [270:14] abuse, and manipulate her from 1996 to [270:17] 1999, starting when she was 19 and he [270:20] was 42. She said Bickl told her [270:22] repeatedly that God had spoken to him [270:23] saying his wife Diane was going to die [270:25] and that they would then be married. [270:27] This turns out to be something that Mike [270:29] Bickl said to a lot of women and there [270:31] are 17 victims, not witnesses, victims [270:35] that have come forward uh in the report. [270:37] I read on it says two other women later [270:39] came forward and said Bickl used a [270:40] nearly identical prophecy in grooming [270:43] them. [270:45] Mike Bickl, [270:48] he called it hamburger helper. It was [270:51] much much worse than that. This was just [270:53] standard practice amongst these core [270:55] guys who became the foundation that has [270:58] spilled over into modern day Bethl. I [271:01] think that Bethl, Bill Johnson, these [271:03] guys fully know that the regular faking [271:05] of prophecy and healings is present. [271:06] Now, I have more evidence. I'm going to [271:07] present to you even today more evidence [271:09] because this video is never going to end [271:11] and I'm never going to go to bed and I'm [271:13] losing my voice and I'm not done yet. [271:15] But I need to share it all and I hate [271:17] making these videos. I'd rather just [271:18] dump it all into one video and and move [271:19] on. Um, but this causes abuses. This [271:23] attitude of allowing the fakery of [271:25] prophecy and the abuse of the people, [271:26] the body of Christ, the abuse of your [271:28] own people who follow you and trust you [271:29] and look at you as as as you know, Papa [271:31] Bill. This creates abuses for them [271:34] because it creates a culture of cover up [271:35] and turns people's eyes blind and causes [271:38] people to then be raised up who are what [271:40] that it means that the top leaders in [271:42] the movements will always be frauds [271:44] because no one can compete with the [271:45] number of miracles that a guy can who's [271:47] faking can get. This is why Todd White [271:48] can rise up in your environment and you [271:50] don't correct him. [271:53] This is why when people reach out and [271:54] say, "Hey Bethl, will you help us hold [271:55] Todd accountable?" You will never ever [271:57] do it because it would undermine the [271:59] whole house of cards. fake prophecy, [272:01] fake miracles, fake healings, [272:04] celebrate them as true. I'm not saying [272:07] every prophecy is fake or every healing [272:09] or every miracle sake. Not at all. I'm [272:11] saying that the environment wherein you [272:15] encourage and embrace the fakery is an [272:17] environment that is not honoring to [272:19] Christ. It is harmful and dangerous to [272:20] people and it raises up frauds in your [272:22] midst. And it will always do it over and [272:24] over and over again. You celebrate the [272:26] fakes because that's what it takes. Who [272:29] cares if those feathers are really angel [272:30] feathers? Let's just pretend they are [272:32] because man, people are flying to our [272:34] church from all around the world now [272:36] that they think that angel feathers are [272:38] showing up in our building, that gold [272:39] dust is materializing from thin air [272:41] because of the glory cloud of God. I [272:43] think you're okay with it being fake. I [272:45] think you don't mind, Bill. Chris, I [272:47] think you don't care. [272:50] I think there's some line people cross [272:52] where you go, you know what? You're out, [272:54] Sean. But is that line faking or is that [272:57] line not faking well enough to get away [272:59] with it? [273:00] What are they really getting in trouble [273:01] for? [273:04] So Shawn wasn't exposed because it's so [273:06] pervasive. And I think I believe that [273:08] this is fed by revival culture. Um you [273:11] have to have more miracles than the [273:12] other church. You have to be the place [273:14] where people want to visit. People have [273:16] to come to your place. This Jesus image [273:17] does really works really hard to be like [273:19] this is the hub. This is where the Holy [273:20] Spirit's moving. Morning star. This will [273:22] be the center of the new revival. God's [273:24] going to start a revival in America. Bob [273:25] Jones told us morning star is going to [273:26] be the start. So people are supposed to [273:28] move out there. Bethl, come to Reading. [273:30] Bill, I I'll share a prophecy he gives [273:32] here, a false prophecy encouraging [273:34] people to move to Reading because they [273:35] all want to be the place where people [273:36] come. Right? Remember the rich people, [273:38] come live with me. No, come live with [273:40] me. God is calling you. Now, when you [273:41] add to all of this Bethl's track record [273:44] with things like the physics of heaven [273:45] controversy or um with Brian Simmons and [273:48] the Passion translation and the [273:50] ridiculous and silly and bad things that [273:54] were done in relation to that, there's [273:56] just problem after problem there. There [273:58] is a network of fake prophecy going on [274:00] in the movement. You've got Bob Jones [274:03] who faked. I I'll have more stuff on Bob [274:05] Jones in the future. You've got Paul [274:07] Kaine. you've who just helped us to [274:09] raise up and then defend Shawn BS and [274:12] keep him from being exposed earlier on. [274:13] Mike Bickl, you have William Brandham, [274:15] you have Bob Hartley, you have Chris [274:17] Reed, more on that who tried to bribe [274:19] the guys from the Remnant Radio when [274:21] they were trying to expose him for being [274:22] a fake prophet. [274:23] >> But there is other allegations that we [274:25] are aware of that have come to us. [274:27] >> This will be news for the public. [274:29] >> Be news for everyone. Nobody knows this. [274:30] So you might have heard us online talk [274:33] about knowing that someone has cheated [274:35] prophetically. [274:37] allegations were brought to us um from [274:39] multiple sources. So, we had logged a [274:42] bunch of information suggesting that [274:43] Chris Reed had mined information online [274:47] in his prophetic words. We were informed [274:49] that Rick Joiner knew about this data [274:51] mining that that Chris had already [274:54] confessed this even before taking the [274:55] job at Morning Star. And so, we said, [274:58] "Yeah, but what have you done to make it [275:00] right with the victims?" But the there [275:02] was a couple of other things that [275:03] happened in this exchange. one, I got [275:05] some really when when Chris he found out [275:08] that I was asking questions about him [275:09] that I was poking around. One of the [275:12] people that I had interviewed and asked [275:13] questions about called up Chris and told [275:15] him what I was doing. Chris then sent me [275:18] some really strange text. Hey, I know [275:20] that you're investigating me. Hey, I [275:22] know that [275:24] and and there was like a offer to give [275:27] me money via PayPal, which is exactly [275:28] what he did. [275:31] >> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal, [275:32] through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It [275:34] was all those kind of things. And when [275:35] we confronted Chris about that, he said, [275:36] 'Well, you know, I just kind of had this [275:38] idea that you're supposed to bless those [275:40] who persecute you, and I felt like you [275:41] guys were persecuting me about something [275:43] that I had already repented for and [275:44] tried to own. What was also happening [275:46] was that there was information that we [275:48] didn't know that there was these other [275:50] allegations of grooming this woman who [275:52] was a student at the school of ministry [275:54] at Morning Star that he had done the [275:56] same thing, offered her money. you know, [275:58] there was it was like one allegation was [276:01] siloed from the other allegation and [276:04] those who were bringing this allegation [276:06] forward didn't know about this other one [276:07] over here. And so what you're seeing is [276:09] collectively this is a person who's [276:12] caught and is trying to get his way out [276:14] of it without it becoming public. And [276:16] even in the midst of this, I I begged [276:18] Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know [276:21] what the right answer is. I do think [276:23] this needs to be made public. I'm [276:25] begging you to make this public." He [276:27] said, "I understand." I said, "Listen, [276:29] this is going to haunt you the rest of [276:30] your life. Either you do this or someone [276:33] will." [276:33] >> Who who I just saw a video yesterday of [276:35] him apparently faking speaking in [276:38] tongues in Russian because it seems he [276:40] knew there would be a Russian guy [276:41] present. So, he says a phrase in Russian [276:43] that is like, "You should move and come [276:44] to this church." And he says, "That's [276:46] for the online audience. God's calling [276:47] you to move and come to my church." Same [276:50] old, same old. Right? It's always move [276:51] here, move here. That's the That's the [276:52] That's the big thing. I can't [276:58] just let go until I feel the release of [277:00] the Holy Spirit. [277:02] >> Now, this video was just sent to me. It [277:03] actually just happened at Chris Reed's [277:06] new church. And somebody who quote has [277:09] been close to Chris Reed for a few years [277:11] now. Sent this to me. I have to read [277:13] carefully what he said. This is what I [277:15] was told. He believes this to be false [277:17] and was concerned enough to raise the [277:18] alarm. He reached out to somebody and [277:20] sent the video which then ended up with [277:23] me. This is someone that thought what [277:26] Chris did here was so bad and so wrong [277:29] that he needed to raise the alarm. So [277:30] let me show you the reason why this is [277:33] cause for concern. [277:50] Now he's waiting for interpretation and [277:52] at first no one speaks and then a woman [277:54] is congregation gives an interpretation [277:56] that [277:57] doesn't satisfy Chris. [278:00] >> Yeah. [278:02] And so [278:05] as you seek these things [278:08] deal with them in your own heart and by [278:12] the spirit and by my word. [278:16] So, because this isn't the [278:17] interpretation he wants, he's waiting [278:19] for more. [278:22] >> Man, there's a weight of glory. [278:24] >> He decides to say it again. And if you [278:26] look, it looks very clearly like he's [278:27] reading this off of the platform in [278:29] front of him. [278:47] This woman actually goes to interpret it [278:48] again. [278:50] >> And so you see it will be like this. You [278:54] will deal with those things in the [278:56] spirit and it will be released in. [279:00] >> What's funny here is this is a different [279:01] interpretation than the one she brought [279:02] before even though he said the exact [279:04] same thing. and you will know me and [279:06] they will see the love of God in you and [279:10] declare Christ is in their midst. [279:15] >> Hallelujah. [279:21] >> Russia. [279:22] >> Say it again. [279:24] >> Russian. [279:24] >> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help [279:26] me. Back there. Back there. [279:29] >> So this is the pivot moment. This guy [279:32] says, "It's Russian." And immediately [279:34] Chris says, "Say it again." This is [279:36] This, I believe, is what he was waiting [279:37] on the whole time. You're going to see [279:39] this was a well orchestrated, planned [279:41] out thing. So, this comes with a [279:45] request, right? The woman did not get a [279:46] microphone. Not at all. He just let her [279:48] talk. What happens when Chris sees that [279:52] there's a guy who says it's Russian? He [279:53] gets very excited. He gets him a [279:56] microphone. [280:02] And notice that right there, he goes [280:04] rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks [280:06] in tongues, he speaks quiet. He speaks [280:08] kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead, [280:11] this time when he speaks in Russian, he [280:13] speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak [280:14] walking around. He speaks while looking [280:15] at his pulpit. Everything about this [280:17] looks sketchy. [280:19] >> So, it was the Russian. That's [280:21] >> Which was Russian? [280:23] >> Um, like [280:27] >> was it the one that Who gave the [280:28] Russian? You said twice. It was the same [280:31] uh sentence. It's in Russian. [280:37] I called you to be here. Why you resist [280:40] me? [280:42] >> Wow. [280:43] >> It was a twice. Said you said this twice [280:46] in Russian. [280:47] >> I said it twice. [280:48] >> Yes. The same sentence. [280:50] >> I do not know Russian. [280:52] >> Yeah. [280:52] >> You could probably tell by my accent. [280:54] >> Yeah. [281:00] And what is again I the the translation [281:04] >> I called you to be here. [281:05] >> I called you to be here. [281:07] >> Why you resist me? [281:09] >> Why do you resist me? [281:10] >> Yeah. [281:11] >> I called you to be here. Why do you [281:12] resist me? This is a request for people [281:15] to move to his church. Remember I told [281:17] you about the come here strategy? This [281:19] is part of it right here. This is Chris [281:21] Reed doing it. [281:23] That's [281:25] >> someone online. [281:27] >> Yeah. [281:31] >> And God put a Russianspeaking person [281:36] in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds [281:38] like Acts two to me. [281:41] >> We do hear these men. Are they not [281:44] Galileans? Speak in our language the [281:47] wonderful works of God. And this is [281:50] where the payoff comes because if he [281:52] gets people online, okay, this is all, [281:54] of course, all my commentary here is [281:55] based upon observation and what it looks [281:57] like to me. I think that this is [281:59] accurate. This makes the most sense and [282:01] it it fits with the the the person who [282:03] has known him for years who sent this to [282:05] us. Well, to someone who sent it to me, [282:07] I'll just say that. And this just [282:09] happened. This ju this I didn't know [282:11] about this until like yesterday. This [282:12] just happened. And this is the come here [282:15] strategy. I want I want people online to [282:16] come here. And it gets a a bit more deep [282:18] because Chris has just left Morning Star [282:20] Church. That's Rick Joiner's church. He [282:22] left kind of disgraced. Morning Star is [282:25] in a bunch of turmoil because because [282:26] Rick Joiner has put up predators and put [282:28] them into his congregation and his own [282:30] people are now suing him because of [282:32] that. So this come here thing looks like [282:36] it's directed at Morning Star and other [282:38] churches because he wants to get his own [282:40] thing going. [282:46] It goes along with what he preached. [282:49] >> What did I say one more time? I'm so [282:51] drunk. [282:52] >> Sounds to me like just knew that a [282:53] Russian speaker would be there. [282:54] >> The second time you said really well. I [282:57] mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um, [283:00] it it was like, I call you to be here. [283:03] Why you resist? Why do you resist? [283:06] >> I call you to be here. Why do you [283:09] resist? [283:10] >> We want to meet this person. [283:13] Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing [283:15] to camera three right now. [283:19] >> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah. [283:21] Right. [283:22] >> There are people, [283:25] >> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I [283:29] believe in tongues and interpretation. [283:30] That's happened here today. But we [283:32] actually have someone here who speaks [283:34] fluent Russian. [283:36] >> Translation. [283:37] >> That wasn't tongues and interpretation. [283:39] That was tongues and translation. [283:43] I don't know Russian one bit. I barely [283:46] know English. [283:50] >> But there are people that are watching [283:51] and you are invested or at least you [283:54] think you are. And you think your money [283:55] has tied you down. I've put too many [283:58] years. I've put too much money in [284:00] another thing in another place [284:04] and you're plugging holes in a sinking [284:06] ship. I'm informed that this most likely [284:08] is going to be interpreted as him [284:10] referring to Morning Star Church. [284:12] >> But the people that are in the ship [284:14] don't know it's sinking until it goes [284:17] under. [284:17] >> See, he used to be the guy at Morning [284:19] Star and he left. And now he's trying to [284:21] get people to join him [284:22] >> until [284:24] everybody that's in the ship is hoping [284:26] that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm [284:28] not speaking about any one ministry. [284:30] There are others. There are several. [284:32] There are people that God is calling [284:34] here to form this body. I've called you [284:38] here. Why do you resist? [284:41] That's what it said. [284:44] >> But man, I tell you, there are people [284:46] that are listening right now. [284:49] Don't let a lie keep you [284:52] >> from following God. [284:54] >> Again, this commentary is based upon [284:56] what looks to be the case and makes a [284:58] lot of sense with this guy's track [284:59] record. He is manipulating the people of [285:01] God. He's doing this not in the fear of [285:03] God, but for ulterior motives. And and I [285:06] feel bad for the Russian in the audience [285:08] who thinks he just participated in [285:09] something wonderful and amazing and from [285:11] the Holy Spirit. [285:13] This is why we have to blow up coverup [285:15] culture because if the leaders who had [285:17] been over and around Chris Reed would [285:19] call him out as they should, he would [285:21] never have a platform to manipulate [285:23] people like this. You've got who else [285:25] should I mention? You have uh Rick [285:27] Joiner, [285:29] serial equipper of abusers who doesn't [285:31] protect victims and actually shames. He [285:33] actually ended up firing the guy who [285:35] tried to expose Todd Bentley who was [285:37] trying to make a herum of women [285:42] saying he had a David anointing. [285:46] So he he's these foreign for foreign [285:48] women. I won't say what country they're [285:49] from. And he reaches out to them [285:50] privately, gets their numbers and starts [285:51] texting them. Finally, they tell their [285:53] pastor. Their pastor tells this [285:55] individual who tries to expose and get [285:58] accountability and he gets fired because [285:59] of Rick Joiner. What about Augugustine [286:01] Aala and his history with the movement [286:04] or Todd White who still is continuing on [286:07] even though he's been exposed and they [286:08] know he's guilty. They just don't care. [286:10] Um that's my view on it anyways. Benny [286:13] Hinn. Oh my goodness. Benny Hinn. Beny [286:16] Hinn who has his birthday parties at [286:17] Jesus image in their secret building. No [286:19] one's allowed to take pictures of Beny [286:21] Hen. How about Michael Kulanos? Yeah, [286:23] you. Michael Kulanos, Kenneth Copeland, [286:26] and on and on and on. Now, I believe in [286:30] some of the smaller charismatic guys, [286:31] the guys who don't have these gigantic [286:33] ministries. When I've looked into these [286:34] giant ministries, I have routinely found [286:38] the ones who have like the the big signs [286:39] and wonders ones, the ones who are like, [286:40] "No, we have the amazing miracles nobody [286:42] has." I have found routinely that [286:43] there's a lot of fakery and deception [286:45] and problems. That's what I have found [286:47] over and over again. It's a trend. That [286:49] doesn't mean that nobody can be genuine. [286:50] I will never make that mistake of [286:52] thinking everyone's a fraud because [286:53] there's a bunch of people that are [286:54] frauds. That is a fallacy. We shouldn't [286:56] do that. Okay? There's a bunch of fake [286:57] religions, but there's one true one. [286:59] There are fake charis charismatic [287:01] leaders and there are real true good [287:02] charismatic leaders. The question is in [287:04] a culture like this with coverup [287:06] culture, how do you find the real ones? [287:09] And your safest bet is to just be very [287:12] cautious and very careful and very [287:13] thoughtful about these things. I know [287:15] some leaders who I personally believe in [287:17] and I do trust and even if we don't [287:18] agree on everything I trust them, right? [287:20] I don't think they would lie. I don't [287:21] think they would deceive. I don't think [287:23] that they would manipulate. I think that [287:24] they have ministered to people [287:25] powerfully through the work of the Holy [287:27] Spirit. I think they're real. But none [287:30] of those names I just listed, that's for [287:31] sure. So consider the following example. [287:35] Actually said I had more on Bob Jones. [287:37] I'll share some on Bob Jones right now. [287:38] I have more on Bob Jones in the future [287:40] about the clock, the magic clock that [287:42] happened when Bob was dying that they [287:44] said was a sign from God and it was not. [287:48] It was not I I'll tell you the story [287:49] about that some other time. [287:57] So, here's why I bring Bob Jones into it [287:59] at this point. I want you to understand [288:01] that the culture of coverup exists [288:03] because if you pull one thread like [288:05] Shawn Bulls and you expose him openly [288:07] and publicly for what he's done, you [288:09] expose your whole foundation to the same [288:11] kind of exposure and problems. For [288:14] example, Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones his [288:17] impact. I'll I'll let Shawn BS tell you [288:19] about Bob Jones's Bob Jones's impact [288:22] here. Let me do it that way because you [288:24] do need to know this to understand what [288:26] coverup culture is. I had a word when I [288:29] was 15 years old from a friend of mine [288:30] and she said one day in worship time she [288:32] looks at me she says you're going to [288:34] meet Bob Jones and when you do your [288:35] whole life will change but this man was [288:37] in involved with Morning Star Ministries [288:39] with Rick Joiner prophesied the [288:41] buildings they have and what they're [288:42] doing IHOP with international spread [288:44] Mike Bickl prophesied the house of [288:46] prayer movement you know Bethl school of [288:47] ministry prophesied that with pastor [288:49] Bill Johnson Chris Valatin Luingle with [288:51] a call and a send he helped prophesy [288:53] those into being so this man has had a [288:56] prophetic history of movements and [288:57] launching leaders around the body of [289:00] Christ when he gives people words. [289:03] I have [289:04] >> that's the Bob Jones guy, right? Bob [289:05] Jones was this quirky kind of hillbilly [289:08] looking dude talk kind of funny and he [289:11] would prophesy to people and he is at [289:13] the founding. So when Bethl tells the [289:15] story of how their school of [289:17] supernatural ministry gets started, [289:18] guess who is part of it? Bob Jones. [289:20] Prophetically part of it. He's part of [289:22] their prophetic history. Because all [289:23] these people want a prophetic history. [289:25] This is this is a big deal. Okay, we've [289:27] got our anointing. In fact, Chris [289:29] Valadin says that his he was supposed to [289:31] get Bob Jones's mantle, meaning his like [289:33] prophetic anointing when Bob died. Now, [289:36] I' I've seen video where Bob Jones goes, [289:37] "Nobody's going to get my mantle. Nobody [289:39] gets my mantle. Get your own mantle." [289:40] I've heard him say this, right? But [289:42] Chris publicly has said, "Bob Jones [289:43] said, "I get his mantle." Right? They're [289:44] tying their current ministry to his [289:47] anointing when they do this. Lots of [289:50] ministries have done it. That's the [289:51] impact of Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones was [289:55] not a great guy. Bob Jones was a [289:59] disaster and he caused a lot of [290:01] problems. I'll talk a little bit about [290:02] that. Um, but I'll say this. When you [290:04] have a prophecy from Bob Jones talking [290:06] about God doing an amazing work in your [290:08] midst, right? Like when he says, [290:09] "Morning Star will be the beginning of [290:11] the great next the next great revival. I [290:13] saw a vision of a man. and he was laying [290:14] on the and his head was right where [290:16] Morning Star is on the map of the United [290:17] States. And he's going to be this new [290:19] man, the new, you know, Latter-day [290:21] Saints rising up. And I said Latter- Day [290:23] Saints, it's not what I meant. The new [290:26] um end times believers rising up. [290:29] Anyways, Bob Jones prophesied. So, [290:31] Morning Star can use can use this for [290:33] fundraising. [290:34] You know, be part of what God is doing. [290:36] Invest in what the work of the Lord is. [290:38] We have a prophecy about this. Bill [290:39] Johnson could use this for fundraising. [290:41] You can take the credibility that Bob [290:42] never should have had that he that he [290:44] had because of cover-up culture and you [290:47] can use this to do fundraising. So if [290:49] you pull that thread, there's a cost to [290:52] exposing it. So one of the things Bob [290:54] did, which I mentioned earlier, was he [290:56] took two women and he prophesied to them [290:58] that God was going to call them to I'm [291:00] going to use the details here a little [291:01] bit, guys, so forgive me. This is going [291:03] to get gross. Um he told these two [291:06] women, a mother and daughter, that God [291:08] was giving them a special Sarah [291:10] anointing and that they were going to [291:11] like nurse movements or something like [291:13] that. And so they had to take off the [291:15] their clothing, the top of their [291:16] clothing, and he [291:20] he sucked on them. Okay, that's what he [291:22] did. This is what this this man did. [291:24] Then because there were two of them, [291:26] this thing went out. They were like [291:28] this, you know, they felt it was wrong. [291:29] They decided to to expose it. Other [291:31] people were were mad, too. John Whimber [291:33] was really mad because he had just [291:34] partnered with Mike Bickl. This was like [291:36] 1991 I think. He had just partnered with [291:38] Bickl. He brought Bickl in. Bickl [291:40] brought in um into the vineyard movement [291:42] in like all these other profit guys. [291:44] Augustine Acca who ended up being a [291:45] predator. Uh Paul Kaine who ended up [291:47] being a predator who faked prophecy and [291:49] even Chuck Smith knew about that. Um and [291:52] uh these other guys. So Bob Jones was a [291:54] big one. He was one of the Kansas City [291:55] prophets. Big deal. [291:58] Publicly there was an apology that went [292:00] out. Bob is he's getting better. He's [292:03] reformed. Privately, Bob was telling [292:05] people, I'll allege this. I think this [292:06] is true. Privately, Bob was telling [292:08] people he is quote more anointed than [292:11] ever. There's a delusional man. He was [292:14] told if he didn't leave Kansas, like [292:15] move out of the he was going to get [292:17] sued. This is what I've what I've been [292:18] told. [292:20] He was mad at John Wimber because John [292:23] Wimber was requiring accountability. I [292:24] think Mike Bickl would have swept this [292:26] under the rug because he swept his own [292:27] sin under the rug for decades even after [292:29] this. But and Paul Kanes uh but I think [292:32] he was mad at John Wimber because John [292:33] Wimber had enough integrity to go no no [292:35] no no no no you're you're done. This is [292:37] wrong and he ended up regretting that he [292:39] had ever connected Vineyard to this [292:41] movement to these guys. [292:43] Now he didn't he wasn't public enough [292:45] about that but that was that was the [292:46] case. [292:47] So Bob's mad at John Wimber. So Bob [292:49] prophesies that LA is going to be [292:51] destroyed and everybody should get out [292:52] of there. He's using prophecy as a [292:55] weapon. Bob Scott tells a story in his [292:58] book. Some say they some say they [292:59] blundered. Um, and I think it's in the [293:02] book or it might have been in a private [293:03] conversation I had with Bob. I'm trying [293:04] to remember now, but Bob Scott tells a [293:06] story of how Bob Jones actually made up [293:09] a prophecy just to attack Bob's [293:10] character because he was mad at him. Bob [293:13] regularly used prophecy prophecy to [293:15] manipulate people. It wasn't just this [293:16] one case. Now, they did get he did get [293:19] exposed and it was sort of publicly [293:21] known, although the details were not [293:23] publicly stated in any kind of way, but [293:26] it was sort of known, right? Here's the [293:28] question I have. When Bob Jones was [293:30] exposed, did they ever do an [293:32] investigation to find out how many [293:33] victims he had, or was it only these two [293:35] women that we ever found out about? Did [293:37] he have a victim in 1990, another one in [293:39] 1982, another one in 1995? [293:43] Did he have another one years later? [293:44] Because Bob was reinstated back into [293:46] ministry. He was serving. He was being [293:48] invited to Bethl. He was prophesying to [293:50] them. He was prophesying to their school [293:51] of ministry people. [293:53] And here years and years later, Shawn BS [293:56] is like, "Ba, what a great guy. He's a [293:58] little quirky and he had one mistake." [294:00] But that is not the real story. That's [294:01] cover-up culture that is deceptive. Let [294:04] me give you another example of coverup [294:07] culture. Bill is, I believe, captured by [294:10] these false prophets because the [294:12] scripture says that these these men are [294:13] deceiving and they are deceived. It [294:15] describes certain men. And I think that [294:17] that description, at least that part of [294:18] it, applies to Bill as well. I think [294:20] he's deceiving and deceived. [294:22] Here's an example of Shawn BS doing his [294:26] shtick with Bill Johnson [294:29] um regarding his dad. [294:32] I just saw in heaven what's happening in [294:34] a heavenly scenario and I've seen Bob [294:36] Jones talk to somebody that's kind of [294:38] weirding me out but in a good way. I [294:40] don't know who the person is. I've never [294:41] met him the person he's talking to. But [294:44] um I start seeing a map and I'm driving [294:48] like I'm I'm on [294:50] Olive Street and you turn right and [294:53] there's Gold Street and then you turn [294:56] right and there's Oakridge Street. [294:59] Does this make sense to somebody? [295:02] >> Your mom lives on like Oakidge Street. [295:07] >> Gold Olive. Olive. Then you turn right [295:10] and you turn right at Gold Street. [295:11] determine why it's Oakidge Street. [295:14] >> It sounds like he couldn't remember the [295:15] street order as well and so he jumbled [295:17] it up a bit, but now he's trying to kind [295:18] of rescue it cuz he knows the end result [295:20] is he's got to get to Bill Johnson's [295:22] parents' house, right? Cuz that that's [295:24] where this prophecy is going to going to [295:25] connect. [295:27] >> That's exactly right. Um so, so God's [295:30] talking to somebody, but I don't think I [295:32] don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this [295:34] man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or [295:36] something? [295:37] >> His name is Melvin Earl. [295:41] Wow. [295:43] >> His dad is Melvin. Earl Johnson. [295:46] >> So his dad would always go with uh Earl [295:49] Johnson. That's why everybody called him [295:50] Earl. But his actual first name was [295:52] Melvin. And so he goes, Bob was talking [295:54] to somebody. Oh, I just I I the streets. [295:56] It was your parents house. But it [295:57] couldn't have been your dad he was [295:58] talking to cuz your dad's not Melvin. [296:00] Your dad's Earl. And now he has he's [296:02] wait he's prompted Bill. Now he's [296:04] waiting for Bill to explain it. What? [296:07] He's he's His name is [296:10] Earl and Melvin. Let's watch that again. [296:12] I want you to see it. See how he sets it [296:14] up and see how the response comes. [296:18] >> That's exactly right. Um, so, so God's [296:21] talking to somebody, but I don't think I [296:23] don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this [296:25] man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or [296:27] something. [296:28] >> His name is Melvin Earl. [296:32] >> Wow. [296:34] >> His dad is Melvin or Alvin or Melvin or [296:37] something. Guys, [296:38] >> his name is Melvin Earl. [296:42] >> Wow. [296:44] >> His dad is Melvin Earl Johnson. [296:47] >> So Bob Jones and Melvin Earl are talking [296:49] to each other. Um, Gold Street and I saw [296:52] your dad. Now I know it's your dad. It's [296:54] like I saw he lives. [296:55] >> So now he's going to continue to [296:56] prophesy. He's like, "Oh yeah, I saw Bob [296:57] and your dad talking to each other. He's [296:59] witnessing this in heaven. He's [297:00] communicating with those who have died [297:01] and and he gets this this this prophecy [297:03] related to the street names." Okay, Gold [297:05] Street and all this [297:06] >> on Gold Street. No, but on in the [297:09] natural is Oh, great. That makes sense. [297:10] >> Uh there's Danny Silk to his left and [297:13] Chris Ballatin on his right. [297:15] You guys should all three of you should [297:17] be very angry at Sean. He is he is lying [297:19] to Bill. He's even using his shtick on [297:22] Bill. Does is is Bill doing this thing [297:24] where like you knowingly participate or [297:26] he unknowingly is participating? That's [297:28] the question. I I am beginning to think [297:31] he's knowingly participating, but but I [297:33] don't know for sure. Um, but it's crazy [297:35] that he had the kutzbah to do this to [297:37] like the number one guy uh in Bethl and [297:40] one of the number one guys in the [297:41] charismatic church. Um, but you have to [297:44] go down gold street you need the [297:45] resources. So the anointing is going to [297:47] produce the resources in this next [297:48] season. And I saw the Lord saying that [297:50] there's a there's [297:52] >> that creates fundraising by the way when [297:54] when you have a prophecy the anointing [297:55] is going to produce the resources and [297:57] then you then the rich people are like [297:58] it's time it's time for me to give and [298:00] invest. You know that's what it does. [298:02] There's a release like I said just like [298:03] a Bob Jones word. It was exactly how he [298:05] would give a word. So this is this is [298:07] literal. Yeah. And there's a release of [298:10] uh great provision that's coming out of [298:12] the anointing to plant the oaks. Bill, [298:15] you're going to you're going to get it. [298:16] But there's the anointing to produce the [298:18] gold to produce the oaks of [298:20] righteousness is coming. And and Bob and [298:22] your dad are talking about this [298:24] >> vagaries. [298:27] Vagaries. [298:29] What's it? What's the result of it? It's [298:31] super specific knowledge about like I [298:33] know your dad's real first name. That's [298:34] what you really got here. I know your [298:35] dad's first name and where he lived. [298:37] What is the actual result? Money will [298:39] come and the oaks and the right and that [298:41] you'll you'll understand something cool [298:44] something cool is coming. So he's [298:46] actually doing this to Bill. I think [298:47] Bill is actually deceived. Bill talks [298:49] again. He talks about how he replays [298:51] prophecies from Shambles on his phone. [298:53] He plays them back to him just to listen [298:54] to them. And um I'm under the impression [298:57] that he's very captured by this. That [298:58] he's both deceiving and deceived. [299:01] Both of them. [299:04] Let me mention Paul Kaine cuz now what [299:06] I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show [299:08] you guys there's a larger pattern with [299:09] coverup culture. Shawn Bulls is just the [299:11] rabbit that we chase down the hole. It [299:12] just gets bigger and worse as you go. [299:14] And hopefully now you realize you're [299:16] down the hole too and you realize that [299:17] the charismatic world when it comes to [299:20] guys groups like Bethl and Morning Star [299:22] and IHOP, it is wonderland. It is not [299:24] the real world. [299:27] Paul Kaine, [299:31] Paul Kaine was exposed by one of his [299:34] close confidants. Man, I don't know how [299:36] much this I should even share with you [299:38] guys. I'll tell you some of it. Um, [299:41] a guy named Jack Deer. Jack Deer finally [299:44] came out years and years later to reveal [299:45] that Paul Kane, who was considered one [299:46] of the Kansas City prophets, one of the [299:48] big dogs. He says, "My desire for power [299:51] enabled Paul Kane's manipulation." And [299:53] here he comes out and he tells some of [299:54] the story and you could read through it. [299:56] You could check this out on your own. Um [299:58] it is uh I mean you just Google that. My [300:00] desire for power enabled Paul Kane's [300:02] manipulation by Jack Deer on the divine [300:04] detours substack. Um he goes through a [300:08] bunch of details. He talks about a bunch [300:09] of stuff. Paul Kane helped to prop up [300:11] guys like Mike Bickl. Mike Bickl would [300:13] gather these fake prophets around him [300:14] and then use them. It was it was a [300:16] stickick. And you realize that if you if [300:18] if you don't have to be the prophet, you [300:20] can gather the prophets, right? You can [300:21] be the apostle. That's what Mike Bick [300:23] was. Then you gather the prophets around [300:24] you and they prophesy things to you and [300:26] then you tell other people about them [300:27] and then everybody comes alongside. Is [300:29] that not the same thing I just saw [300:31] happen on stage with Shawn BS [300:34] prophesying to Bill Johnson in front of [300:36] everybody? So it makes him look like the [300:38] anointed one of God and all this kind of [300:40] thing. It's mutually beneficial [300:41] relationship. [300:44] Very importantly, [300:47] Jack Deer says our eventual compromise [300:50] resulted in a statement. He's speaking, [300:52] by the way, of uh Paul came when he was [300:54] exposed for great sin. [300:58] Um being predatory behavior, fake [301:00] prophecy. Sound familiar? Um he says, [301:03] "Our eventual compromise resulted in a [301:05] statement that downplayed the reality of [301:06] Paul's actions, portraying them as [301:08] temporary moral failings rather than [301:09] acknowledging the truth of his lifelong [301:11] predatory behavior." That's what he says [301:13] in this article. And I think it's [301:14] important to recognize that sounds like [301:16] Bethl with BS or Bethl with Bob Hartley. [301:19] that there is a downplaying when the [301:20] statement finally comes out comes out. [301:22] It's more like self-p protection. Uh [301:24] Jack Deer also has an article uh on Mike [301:27] Bickl and his issues and I'll just show [301:29] you the screenshot of it so you can take [301:30] a look at it if you want where he talks [301:32] about some of it. Now these are [301:34] insiders, okay? Um it's important when [301:37] they do come out and I'm glad when they [301:38] do. But now I need to talk about a new [301:41] section here in the video. Bethl's [301:42] pattern of lack of accountability. [301:52] And that's putting it mildly. Let me [301:54] talk about the Show Me the Toes [301:55] controversy. Does that sound more [301:57] interesting? The Show Me the Toes [301:59] controversy. Now, Bill was a guest [302:01] teacher at John Lindell's James River [302:03] Church. You may have heard of James [302:04] River Church. They were in the news [302:05] recently because him um John Lindell and [302:09] uh Mark Driscoll had like a spat and [302:12] they were calling each other names or [302:13] something weird like that. and it was [302:14] about like some guy who was dancing like [302:16] almost like a male stripper at their [302:18] men's event and I am not talking about [302:21] that today but you may have heard of him [302:22] because of that. Um I think it was that [302:25] same guy James Lindell. So Bill was [302:27] speaking at James Lindell's church. Now [302:29] James Lindell loves Bill Johnson. They [302:30] are like tight. When I made a video a [302:33] while back where I talked about Bethl [302:35] and some of the issues with like the [302:36] physics of heaven, I think it was that [302:38] video. John Lindell went public to his [302:40] congregation and to all of the people [302:42] they influenced. I didn't even talk [302:43] about it publicly, but he went public [302:44] and he said, "Don't even watch a [302:46] negative video about Bill Johnson. I [302:48] don't want to hear any of that stuff." [302:50] He said something to that effect. So, he [302:51] doesn't want people watching it. Like, [302:52] information control, thought control. [302:54] Don't even think about it. You see no [302:56] video. Mike Winger does not exist. His [302:58] videos do not exist. Do not consider [303:01] them. So, they're tight. Now, Bill was [303:04] at John Lindell's church and he taught [303:07] about creative miracles. Creative [303:08] miracles meaning like growing back, I [303:10] don't know, some toes. And so he taught [303:12] about creative miracles and then he says [303:16] supposedly tons of people were healed [303:18] and Bill talks about it in a video that [303:19] is still on their YouTube channel. I [303:21] just want to double check. Is it still [303:22] there? I'll just double check. [303:25] Yes, it is still there. Here, I'll just [303:27] I'll show you guys. This is currently [303:28] still on their YouTube channel. Um, and [303:30] that's the title of it. Oh, you can't [303:32] see the title of it. Scroll down. It [303:34] says Bethl Church Service. Haley Braun [303:36] sermon worship with Brian and Jen [303:38] Johnson. That's the name. It was [303:40] streamed 2 years ago, March 19th, 2023. [303:44] Oh, and you can donate to them. There's [303:45] a little donate button right here. You [303:46] guys can donate. Um, so here's the [303:49] thing. Bill is here back at his home [303:52] church talking about the experience he [303:54] had at John Lindell's church, James [303:57] River Church. So, he's giving the [303:58] testimony. This isn't the video of him [304:00] at the church, okay? The actually the [304:01] testimony is the important part. Let me [304:03] now play for you what he said about it. [304:06] It's one of the most um incredible weeks [304:09] of my life this last week for quite a [304:11] few reasons, but one I was I was at a [304:14] great great church in Springfield, [304:16] Missouri and uh James River Church [304:19] there. Great amazing pastors. Just can't [304:23] can't speak high too high of them. We [304:26] had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds [304:28] of miracles over three nights. [304:31] >> Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of [304:33] miracles over three nights. Usually [304:35] Bill's fake miracles come with just [304:37] claims that a whole bunch of people got [304:38] healed. A whole someone's liver is [304:40] getting healed. Raise your hand if [304:41] that's you. Amen. Praise God. Miracle. [304:43] That's all it takes. Right? So he claims [304:45] here um hundreds of miracles. But [304:47] there's one specific miracle that he's [304:49] going to highlight and we're going to [304:50] chase that trail because we want them to [304:54] show us the toes. But but the last one [304:56] is the one I want to tell you about. The [304:58] last night a woman was there who had [305:00] been shot twice by her husband. Anybody [305:02] else glad that Jesus heals the inside as [305:05] well as the outside? [305:06] >> Tragic story of this woman. Um, she had [305:09] three toes amputated as a result of [305:11] being shot, I guess, in the foot. Um, [305:13] crazy. Yeah. And because of it, she had [305:17] to have three toes amputated. And I [305:19] happened that evening to be talking [305:21] about creative miracles that we've seen. [305:23] And we just began to pray just randomly [305:25] for creative miracles. And this gal was [305:27] at one of the other campuses and said, [305:29] "I want my to do back." And so another [305:31] guy was praying for her. Took about 30 [305:34] minutes, but they saw the bone come [305:35] wrapped in flesh completely grow out. [305:39] And by morning, the toenails, everything [305:41] had formed. She got three brand new [305:43] toes. Three brand new toes. [305:46] Be with me. The woman who did the [305:48] praying, her husband is a medical doctor [305:51] and he came and examined and yep, he's [305:53] got three brand new toes. So that works. [305:56] I I guess a person with the three new [305:58] toes would know, but it's also nice to [306:00] have a doctor come and check things out [306:02] and say, "Guess what? This is for real." [306:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't need a doctor to [306:07] confirm whether toes exist or don't [306:08] exist. That's pretty easy to do. Um but [306:12] what a wild claim. [306:15] One with hundreds and hundreds and [306:16] hundreds of miracles. I'll tell you one [306:18] story. Here's one really cool. One of [306:20] the best times of his life. He says, [306:21] "This woman had three toes. They grew [306:24] back by morning. They were fully grown. [306:25] A doctor confirmed it. Her toes. All [306:28] right, let's learn more about the toe [306:30] situation because it gets [306:32] stinky. [306:34] >> As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over [306:36] the next 30 minutes. This is John [306:38] Lindell. He's telling the story from his [306:40] own pulpit about the same lady. Okay, so [306:42] she got healed. He's going to So Bill's [306:44] Bill's using it. He's telling the story. [306:46] And now John Lindell's using it as well. [306:48] Listen to how he tells it. It's a little [306:49] different. All three toes grew and by [306:52] that point were longer than her pinky [306:54] toe. [306:56] Within an hour, nails began to grow on [306:59] all the toes [307:03] because her miracle is real. It's [307:05] genuine. What I want to assure you of is [307:08] it's real. [307:10] It's real. It's real. It's real. It's [307:13] real. So um [307:17] it is a legitimate miracle and you know [307:21] we can provide the kind of proof that [307:23] would be necessary people that [307:25] >> they can provide the proof. It would be [307:27] easy right? Show us the toes. [307:30] >> Have you seen pictures of the toes? I [307:31] have. So I've seen the picture uh of the [307:34] toes. [307:36] The picture of the toes. [307:40] So John Lindell and Bill Johnson both [307:43] presenting this as 100% true. One says [307:45] verified by a doctor here. He's they [307:47] have their timelines are both different [307:48] here, but he's saying, "Yeah, even the [307:50] nails grew back." As in there was there [307:52] wasn't even like the whatever the stuff [307:54] is that grows nails, you know, and that [307:55] didn't exist, right? The toes grew back, [307:57] the bones repaired, the the skin, the [307:59] flesh, and even the nails come in. It's [308:02] real. It's real. It's real. I promise [308:03] you it's real. We have the proof. This [308:06] is actually from John Lind. This is [308:08] super important. We know this. John [308:09] Lindell's ministry. They put this video [308:12] up of this woman. So, they're promoting [308:14] her face. They're showing her face. [308:16] They're having her tell her story. This [308:18] wasn't internet slleuth that did this. [308:19] This was them. And here's her telling [308:21] the story. [308:22] >> So, I had three toes that were amputated [308:25] in a in a terrible accident. I heard the [308:27] word for creative miracles and I [308:29] thought, well, I certainly have a [308:31] creative miracle that I [308:32] >> That was from Bill Johnson. The word for [308:34] creative miracles was Bill Johnson. So, [308:35] she's like, yeah, I want that. I might [308:37] need I need three toes to grow back. The [308:40] person next to me said, "Do you want new [308:42] toes?" And I was like, "Well, sure." All [308:45] the women got down and they prayed over [308:47] my foot and I decided to take my shoe [308:49] off to see what was happening. When he [308:50] said, "Let's see the progress or if [308:52] anything's happened." And when I did, I [308:54] had to grab the person next to me and [308:56] say, "Do you see what I see?" [308:58] >> So immediate visible change of healing [309:02] is what she's claiming. And I saw three [309:05] toes that were forming and now there's [309:09] length to them tonight. I can stand on [309:11] my tippy toes. Listen. Do you [309:13] understand? I can stand on tippy toe. [309:16] No, I couldn't do that cuz I didn't have [309:18] toes to tippy on. [309:22] >> He's playing this first congregation. [309:25] >> All right. Come on. Let's bless the [309:26] Lord. He's Jehovah Rafa. [309:31] Lord, we praise you. [309:35] You're embarrassing the name of God with [309:37] this John Lindell. [309:40] The most obvious thing to do is show us [309:43] your toes. They grew back. Show them. [309:44] Show us. Like why didn't she just take [309:46] her [309:48] thing her shoe off and her sock off and [309:50] just show like right then and there when [309:51] she's doing the interview. Instead, she [309:52] does this thing where I can stand on my [309:53] tippy toes. I couldn't do that before. I [309:55] didn't have toes. I don't know what that [309:56] means. Okay. Like you could cut off all [309:59] of my toes and I could still push up [310:01] onto the top of my foot. I I don't know [310:03] what that means. Okay. [310:06] But it's proof. There's proof. There's [310:07] proof. Now people are asking. They're [310:09] like, "Dude, you guys are Look, 468,000 [310:11] views of just the short of you guys [310:13] putting this. I think this might have [310:14] been Instagram or I don't know what this [310:16] was. Is that Twitter? I don't remember. [310:18] Um, whichever one it was, that's just [310:20] one spot where this is being recounted. [310:22] And people are asking, they're like, [310:24] "Show us the proof." Somebody actually [310:26] started a website called Show Us the [310:28] Toes or Show Me the Toto toes.com, [310:29] something like that. And um and they [310:31] were asking for the proof and trying to [310:32] catalog whether or not there was [310:34] actually any evidence. So John Lindell's [310:36] under pressure now. He's put her face in [310:39] front of everybody. He's told the story. [310:41] Bill Johnson's told the story and people [310:42] want evidence. He said he had the proof. [310:44] Just show it. Now he's going to Here's a [310:46] compilation of him explaining why he's [310:47] not going to show any of the proof. [310:51] >> How many miracles do you have to see? [310:55] before you believe. [310:58] You know, there are some of you and [310:59] you've heard miracle over 4,000 now. [311:02] You've heard miracle after miracle of [311:04] healing and you're still sitting there [311:05] saying, "Well, you know, I just don't [311:07] know. [311:09] I got to see the toes." [311:15] He's shaming us. I'm going to tell you [311:17] what, see the toes all you want, you're [311:19] still not going to believe [311:21] >> because unbelief never has enough proof [311:25] because her miracle is real. It's [311:26] genuine. Uh people are saying, "Well, if [311:28] it's genuine, why aren't you why aren't [311:30] you doing anything with it to publicize [311:32] it?" There's a couple of reasons that I [311:34] want to say to you. First of all, [311:37] >> his first reason is going to be I want [311:39] to protect her, right? Even though he [311:41] put her face out already. Let's listen [311:42] to this. Um, I'm less interested in [311:44] proving to people what I know God did [311:47] than I am in protecting sheep who are [311:50] vulnerable. [311:52] I'm going to tell you why I believe this [311:53] is totally a a complete lie. [311:57] And I'm I'm going to protect sheep [311:59] first. That's my first concern is for [312:02] her. [312:03] Right? So, um, right now the scenario is [312:06] you put this woman up. You told [312:08] everybody about her mir miracle [312:09] experience. the internet is doubting [312:11] you, is doubting her, is doubting that [312:12] this is real. And they there are people [312:14] who are bothering her on social media [312:16] and stuff like this and they don't [312:18] believe that it's real. So, she actually [312:20] at this point wanted to prove it was [312:23] real. She wants people to know it's [312:26] real. It's real. She's trying to put the [312:28] evidence out there. She actually [312:29] eventually posts a photo of her own foot [312:31] on her Facebook page. I think it was [312:32] Facebook. And it's the only thing that [312:34] John Lindell won't do is actually show [312:36] the proof cuz then people would [312:37] celebrate. Oh my gosh, look at this [312:39] great miracle that God's actually healed [312:40] you. You could show us the photo before [312:42] and you could show us the photo after. [312:44] We we've got there's probably police [312:46] records to prove about the shooting or [312:47] medical records. Like this is a great [312:48] example of a miracle, which by the way, [312:50] I'd be very excited to see. Okay, I [312:52] believe in miracles. I think there are [312:54] real examples and even real evidential [312:55] examples of miracles. But you don't fake [312:57] them and then lie to your congregation [312:59] and then gaslight people. You wouldn't [313:01] believe anything. You wouldn't believe [313:03] anything. But that's not, you know, [313:04] that's not true. That's not true. You [313:07] don't have categories of people who [313:08] either believe nothing or they believe [313:10] everything John says. This isn't these [313:11] aren't the two kinds of people in the [313:12] world. So [313:16] to protect her, he won't show the proof, [313:18] but he'll put her face up so that her [313:20] testimony of the miracle is there and [313:22] people are investigating and looking [313:23] into it. The only thing he won't do is [313:24] show the proof. Well, she wanted to show [313:26] it. So, she goes on social media herself [313:29] and posts her afterpics because she's [313:31] trying to convince everybody that it's [313:32] real. She doesn't like that people are [313:34] doubting it. She wants them to believe. [313:36] So, she made a video, she talks about [313:37] it, and this is a screen cap from that [313:40] where she shows us her after photo, and [313:42] then people uh zoomed into one of her [313:44] previous photos on Facebook, her before [313:46] photo, and you can see the difference. [313:49] There isn't one. Um, there are no nails. [313:53] That's not a There's still three toes [313:55] that have been have significant [313:57] amputation. And when you look at the [313:58] before pictures, they look the same. I [313:59] don't have to even tell you guys. You [314:00] can see it for yourself. John Lindell [314:02] told his congregation, "I've seen the [314:04] photos. It's real. It's real. it's real. [314:06] That was a baldfaced lie based upon this [314:09] evidence. [314:11] When he was challenged on it, he gaslit [314:14] and he condemned and he uh basically [314:17] accused other people of them having a [314:19] problem. And that was the reason why [314:20] they were even asking for evidence. He [314:22] assured us that they'd seen 4,000 [314:24] miracles already, [314:26] these kinds of miracles. [314:28] Because in coverup culture, you're also [314:31] covering up that your miracles aren't [314:32] always real, aren't you? [314:35] Right? You can't expose anything because [314:37] if you expose anything, it might expose [314:39] everything. That's coverup culture. [314:42] But it feels so good, man. You feel like [314:44] you're the place. John Lindell's James [314:46] River Church. This is the place where [314:47] God is moving. And if you go like, "Is [314:49] God really moving?" They're like, "What [314:50] is wrong with you? You have unbelief. [314:52] What is wrong with you?" This is part of [314:54] coverup culture. Supposedly, it was [314:56] verified by a doctor. That's what Bill [314:58] Johnson told his people. He's still [315:00] telling his people that. still up on [315:01] their YouTube and it's still currently [315:03] propagating more deception. And I'm [315:07] going to give you another example. This [315:08] is an example of a prophecy fail from [315:10] Bill uh Bill Johnson. So, let's look at [315:14] this clip. This is from 2009. And the [315:16] reason why we're going back all the way [315:17] back to 2009 is because I want us to [315:19] understand that the prophecy didn't come [315:21] to pass. And so, we have to give some [315:23] space of time. If you prophesied [315:24] something last year, it maybe I haven't [315:26] given enough time for it to take place. [315:28] Here's a 2009 prophecy. It comes from [315:31] Bill from the pulpit, but originally [315:32] from another pastor. We'll tell you all [315:34] about it. This is actually uh a video [315:36] also from Steven Kosar who's done some [315:38] great work on this stuff. And here Steve [315:42] calls it out. Now, I I've I've cut up [315:45] Steve's video. It's not his full video, [315:46] but it's it's enough that I think it'll [315:48] get us get the point across. So, here we [315:50] go. The failed prophecy of Bethl [315:53] Reading. the failed prophecy that I will [315:55] add again a move to reading type [315:58] prophecy where he's trying to get people [315:59] to uproot their lives and move to his [316:01] town. [316:02] >> Um for whatever reason I don't always [316:03] read the words that we get the prophetic [316:05] words u u but this one was given to me [316:08] this week by Steve Wit. Steve Wit has [316:11] been a very accurate and faithful [316:13] prophetic voice. Very accurate and [316:16] faithful prophetic voice to us. A great [316:18] encouragement to me. uh his daughter was [316:20] a part of our school of ministry for a [316:22] couple years and uh he was just with us [316:24] I think last Sunday before anyway he [316:27] wrote this word and [316:28] >> okay again uh it doesn't mean anything [316:30] when Bill says someone's very accurate [316:32] and faithful because he said that about [316:34] Shawn Bulls and then continued to [316:37] endorse him even after everything was [316:38] exposed um insanely [316:42] so let's look at the prophecy [316:44] >> and uh there's one phrase in here that [316:47] that helped me to realize I really need [316:49] to read this to you even though the [316:51] whole thing is good for all of us. Um, [316:54] this is the reading anointing, a chief [316:57] navigator in perilous times. Remember [316:59] that phrase for you. [317:00] >> I think the shortcut to Bill's heart is [317:02] prophesy something good about him. [317:04] >> Chief navigator in perilous times. [317:06] Reading is about to advance quickly as a [317:08] city doubling in size. [317:10] >> Steve Wit should have said that the next [317:12] decade is going to be the slowest growth [317:14] that Reading has seen in a hundred [317:16] years. [317:18] First prophecy, Reading's going to [317:19] double in size. That was 2009. And you [317:23] can see Steve's got numbers up through [317:24] 2019. I can give you their population in [317:26] 2024 is 93,500. [317:29] It didn't double in size. It went from [317:31] 89861 [317:33] um in 2010 up to 93502, [317:37] which is uh not not doubling in size, [317:41] not remotely [317:44] >> doubling in size. a boom town. That [317:46] which was the butt of California jokes. [317:50] Hey, [317:53] will become a jewel. [317:55] >> I want to take a moment to point [317:57] something out. What happened in Reading [317:59] or right outside of Reading in the Carr [318:02] fire in July of 2018, this so-called [318:05] fire NATO is one of the rarest and most [318:09] terrifying weather events literally in [318:11] the history of all weather forecasting, [318:15] all recordeping about weather events. [318:18] It's almost unprecedented in all of [318:21] weather history. Um, let me show you an [318:23] article about this. California viral [318:27] fire tornado has scientists searching [318:29] for answers. Weather geeks went wild [318:32] last week when the National Weather [318:33] Service announced that the car fire near [318:35] Reading, California, had spawned the [318:37] equivalent of an EF3 tornado on July [318:40] 26th. And for good reason. Fire [318:42] tornadoes are among the rarest weather [318:44] phenomena on Earth. And this vortex had [318:46] the added distinction of possibly being [318:48] the strongest tornado-like thing in [318:51] California history. Now, I've lived my [318:54] whole life in the Midwest of the United [318:55] States, and I've had to deal with [318:57] tornadoes, and they are terrifying. Any [319:00] size tornado is terrifying. An EF3 is [319:02] very severe. It does incredible damage. [319:05] But that's not what happened in Reading. [319:07] It was an EF3 tornado combined with up [319:09] to 2700° [319:12] of fire. This was truly horrifying. [319:16] >> And some of those tornadoes, they were [319:18] classifying those as equal to an F3, [319:21] possibly an F4 tornado that you would [319:23] see back east. Uh the only difference is [319:26] is they estimated the temperature in [319:28] these tornadoes to be 2,700°. [319:31] >> Will become a jewel where um I'll just [319:35] add in here real quick. Housing prices [319:37] in Reading, California, you can look [319:39] this up yourself. They have increased uh [319:41] as all have in in California, but at a [319:44] much lower rate than the rest of [319:45] California. Significantly lower rate [319:47] than the rest of California. It's not a [319:49] boom town. There's nothing booming, [319:51] right? And there was no prophetic [319:53] warning about the car fire in 2018. And [319:55] they had no prophetic warning about [319:57] COVID. And they actually closed their [319:59] healing rooms. They have healing rooms, [320:00] special healing rooms to heal people, [320:01] right? They closed them uh during CO. [320:04] There was the reading anointing that [320:06] would be the chief navigator in times of [320:09] peril that Bill Johnson so proudly spoke [320:12] about in 2009. Nobody saw this coming. [320:16] It was terrible. It was horrible. And it [320:18] was not something that anybody [320:20] predicted. They predicted nothing but [320:22] good. And they got so far nothing but [320:24] bad. [320:25] >> I sense that Governor Schwarzenegger [320:26] will be a key. I saw him coming to [320:28] Reading, a veil being removed off his [320:30] face. He will see Reading as it is seen [320:33] by heaven. [320:36] Um, sometimes this works where they [320:37] actually you would get that prophecy [320:39] into the hands of the guy like of of of [320:41] Governor Schwarzenegger at the time and [320:43] then maybe they'll do something because [320:44] the prophecy can kind of make it happen [320:46] cuz they get excited. They're like the [320:47] center of some prophetic thing. Um, but [320:50] it didn't happen. [320:53] He will blow a trumpet declare to all of [320:54] California that Reading is open for [320:56] business. This will be a turning point [320:58] and a draw for business in Reading. be a [321:01] magnetism as well as attracting national [321:04] headquarters to the area. Properties [321:07] will skyrocket. [321:09] >> Properties will skyrocket. Again, the [321:11] growth of property prices in Reading, [321:13] California is lower than the state [321:15] average in California. It's slower [321:17] growth, not not faster, no skyrocketing. [321:20] >> This is the time to buy to buy and build [321:23] in Reading. If you had bought and built [321:25] in Reading because of this prophecy from [321:27] Bill Johnson, you would have made a poor [321:29] investment, possibly lost money and [321:31] missed out on other opportunities. But [321:33] again, these guys love telling people [321:35] that God's calling them to move into [321:36] their town, especially people with lots [321:39] of money to buy and build and do big [321:41] businesses. It's a common thing in this [321:43] culture. [321:46] >> I also said that commuter flights from [321:48] Sacramento to Reading would soon be [321:49] offered, I believe, within 2 years, but [321:51] I'm not clear on that. it will be a sign [321:54] that a new level is emerging. Watch for [321:56] >> Um Steve says this never happened. I've [321:58] uh I did a little bit of research on [322:00] this and I was trying to confirm that uh [322:02] the commuter flight thing. Um it looks [322:04] to me like there was some commuter [322:05] flights back in like the 80s. There used [322:07] to be more and now generally no, there [322:09] are not commuter flights as a general [322:10] rule uh from San Francisco to Bethl. He [322:13] would like that cuz Bill likes to go to [322:15] one of the most expensive restaurants in [322:16] the world in Sacramento a lot of the [322:18] time. [322:18] >> The name of the airline, I sense it will [322:21] have a prophetic meaning. Finally, I [322:22] wrote a prayer on the morning of Sunday [322:24] last while in reading. I submit it as it [322:26] is a prayer. I bless you with reading. I [322:29] bless you reading with revelation from [322:31] heaven. May you understand the times and [322:34] know what to do. You are a sial in the [322:36] spirit. His light will cause you to heal [322:39] the past, comprehend the present, and [322:42] interpret the future. [322:44] >> Reveal your secrets. [322:46] >> This is Steve Kosar's video style. Tell [322:49] us all. [322:51] >> He has given you eyes to see and will [322:54] establish you as a think tank. Think [322:56] tank. National business headquarters [322:58] will be drawn here. Writing will shine [323:00] like a city of hope. Do not fear. Open [323:02] the door. As you open this earthly door, [323:04] my heavenly door will exhaust you with [323:07] my blessing. Anybody ready to be [323:09] exhausted? Oh. [323:12] Um to my knowledge, none of this none [323:14] not a single one of these things happen. [323:16] But when this word goes out, prophecy [323:18] from Bill, guys, Bill's sharing a [323:20] prophecy from this other guy. And and [323:21] and it's like we're trusting God for it. [323:23] Move to reading. Start your business in [323:25] Reading. It's going to be a boom town. [323:26] Get your real estate. You know, I'm [323:28] going to buy a few homes because then I [323:29] can resell them after the the the boom [323:31] happens. And no, instead the car fire [323:34] burns up your house. Uh no, instead it's [323:36] got slower growth than other communities [323:38] around it. And there's no booming. [323:40] Businesses are not reaching out. There's [323:42] no commuter flights to to to anywhere [323:44] from Sacramento or whatever it was. He [323:46] said, "This just not this is not [323:47] happening. [323:49] >> Ready to be exhausted. Exhaust me with [323:52] your blessings." That's right. Here's [323:54] five statements. This is a time for [323:56] hospitality. [323:57] This is a time to buy. [323:59] >> Time to buy. Again, prophetically [324:02] counseling people to spend large amounts [324:04] of money in a way that would indirectly [324:06] benefit their local church. That is bad. [324:11] Once again, please please evacuate [324:13] everyone and and stay safe. Have a good [324:15] night. [324:17] >> This is a time to learn deeper in the [324:19] spirit. This is a time for deep [324:21] relationships. [324:23] The party will not end. [324:28] >> That's a good word. [324:30] Now, it's important that I point out at [324:31] this point um there is no accountability [324:34] for these types of statements from Bill [324:36] Johnson or from other people uh in the [324:38] movement. [324:40] there there just isn't even even though [324:42] they all know it's wrong they're just [324:44] like well at least he was hopeful at [324:45] least he was and and you guys don't [324:47] realize like the charismatics like you [324:48] don't realize like you've been [324:49] brainwashed to think that way like this [324:51] actually really matters there's people [324:53] whose lives were probably harmed [324:55] significantly because they believed this [324:57] word that wasn't from the Lord and then [324:58] it benefited Bethl because people are [325:00] moving people are investing in things [325:02] that that draw attention to the church [325:04] and make the church more of that much [325:05] more of a hub um which it's a [325:10] It's a problem. Um, he says Steve Wit [325:12] has been a very accurate and faithful [325:13] prophetic voice to us. [325:15] Do you know that Wit sells courses on [325:17] how to be more prophetic? He sells [325:19] courses on those. So, Whit had a [325:20] financial benefit from this most likely. [325:23] 2004 was a turning point for Bethl. It [325:27] was as if the enemy couldn't hold his [325:28] finger in the dyke any longer. This is [325:30] the reading anointing. Okay, not true. [325:33] Didn't happen. But this is the come here [325:35] strategy. I want to point this out [325:36] again. I think it's very important [325:37] because I know Jesus image does this, [325:39] Morning Star does this, IHOP would do [325:40] this, um Chris Reed just did this in a [325:43] video and the idea is prophetically tell [325:46] people that they have to relocate to [325:48] your local ministry thing so that you [325:50] can keep building and building and [325:51] building. Um this is the center of the [325:53] coming revival. This is where God's [325:54] spirit is working. This is where your [325:56] healing comes. Right? If you if you just [325:58] get here, if you just sell everything [326:00] and travel here, maybe God will heal you [326:02] of that problem that you have. You [326:03] should expect it, right? That's the [326:05] implication of things. The Bethl [326:07] narrative is that they are in a long [326:08] steady march towards incredible healing [326:10] and prosperity. Remember Benny joked [326:14] about how no one should die. She [326:16] tragically passed away from cancer in [326:18] 2022. [326:21] So why was this prophecy read from the [326:22] stage if it wasn't true? If it wasn't [326:24] from the Holy Spirit. It was read from [326:26] the stage because it served their [326:27] purposes of being the revival culture [326:29] place and the come here strategy. I [326:31] think that that's why. Let me give you [326:33] another example. [326:35] I I man I hate doing these videos. [326:37] Another example, this I I struggle with [326:39] whether I would share this or not. This [326:40] is the wake up olive controversy. Okay, [326:42] there was this beautiful little girl [326:44] that passed away and for a week or [326:47] around a week they would not allow her [326:50] to be buried or reclaim her body. And um [326:54] the reason is because they were going to [326:55] raise her from the dead cuz Bethl had [326:57] has in the past they've had dead raising [326:59] teams like a team who was like where the [327:00] dead raising team. They've claimed that [327:02] multiple people have been raised from [327:03] the dead, although I haven't ever seen [327:04] any examples. I'd love to talk. That'd [327:07] be so exciting, guys. That would be [327:08] awesome. I would celebrate this. I don't [327:09] care if it was Bethl who did it. I would [327:10] be like so happy. [327:13] But they instead did this. The worship [327:15] leaders and the parents even in on it. [327:17] Everybody in on it. They for a week they [327:20] scream and holler and they sing worship [327:22] songs and they promise and they prophesy [327:24] and they proclaim that she's going to [327:25] raise from the dead in a way that is [327:27] just so tragic. Here's a tiny piece of [327:29] it. [327:35] in Jesus name. [327:42] Jesus name. [327:55] It was deeply irresponsible for the [327:57] pastors to allow this to take place. [327:59] Now, if you had a revelation from God [328:01] that um Olive was going to be healed, um [328:04] that she was going to be raised, then it [328:06] would be deeply faithful. But you had no [328:08] such revelation. You prophesied, you [328:10] guys prophesied, you guys proclaimed, [328:12] you guys made it hugely public, you [328:13] embarrassed the body of Christ, you [328:14] embarrassed yourselves. And it was [328:16] because of your guys teaching of [328:17] prophecy. It just doesn't matter if [328:19] you're wrong. You're allowed to say what [328:21] you want. Bill has taught, I heard him [328:23] teach this, I actually have it in a [328:24] video somewhere from years ago where [328:26] he's actually taught that sometimes with [328:27] prophecy, you can prophesy something [328:29] that God isn't even saying and then God [328:31] will say it because you prophesied it. [328:34] That is called fake prophecy. But that [328:37] is the teaching that's behind, I think, [328:38] the wake up all of controversy. And you [328:40] could look into that more on your own if [328:41] you want. I'm so [328:44] um [328:46] it's it's so sad. I didn't even want to [328:47] talk about it, but I wanted to mention [328:49] it because once again, Bethl has a [328:52] problem. And it's all connected. The [328:53] treatment of prophecy, the treatment of [328:55] miracles, the treatment of all of these [328:56] things is connected. And I call it [328:59] cover-up culture because you're going to [329:00] cover up the fake and you're going to [329:02] try to celebrate it like it's real. And [329:04] it doesn't matter when people fake. So [329:07] Bethl has a problem. They endorsed Benny [329:09] Hint. They endorsed Kenneth Copeland. [329:10] They endorsed Todd Bentley as like this [329:12] great coming apostle guy, right? They [329:15] platformed Todd White with the the [329:18] Passion translation. Bill wrote the [329:19] forward to the thing and is was selling [329:20] their own version of it even though it's [329:23] bad news. Then we have Bob Hartley. [329:26] I did a whole video on this. I won't get [329:28] into that video. Bob Hartley, bad dude, [329:31] faking prophecy for generations. Are you [329:33] getting sick of this? You guys realizing [329:35] why I say cover up culture and it's a [329:37] systematic problem in the charismatic [329:38] church and it's not all charismatic [329:40] churches but in particular I've looked [329:41] into like Morning Star Bethl IHOP uh [329:45] William Brandom and and the movements [329:46] and stuff that have spawned from him. [329:48] This stuff [329:51] it's a problem. So [329:54] Bob Hartley goes back with Mike Bickl. [329:56] He goes back to Bob Jones. Right? That's [329:59] him with Bob Jones and Mike Bickl. And [330:02] when Bob Jones got pulled out of [330:03] ministry, Bob Hartley, oh, I meant to [330:05] put on your screen. So, Bob Hartley, [330:08] let's talk about briefly mention some of [330:10] the Bob Hartley saga. I'll link the [330:12] video down below that will give all the [330:15] information. I'll just mention some of [330:16] it now. Um, because the way Bethl [330:18] handled it again shows coverup culture. [330:20] It's a pattern. It's a plan. It's the [330:22] way business is done. That's how I [330:24] understand it. [330:26] So, here's Bob Harley with Mike Pickle. [330:28] They're good pals. They go way, way [330:30] back. Here's Bob Hartley with Mike Bickl [330:32] and with Bob Jones and they go obviously [330:34] way back. When Bob Jones fell in 1990s, [330:37] early 90s, Bob Hartley, I'm told, became [330:39] the go-between. If you wanted to talk to [330:40] Bob Jones, you had to go through Bob [330:42] Hartley. And Bob was exposed. Okay. [330:46] Michelle Sidler in January of 2024, she [330:48] exposed Bob for being a predator against [330:51] women, for offering to pay women for, [330:53] you know, what um and a bunch of other [330:55] stuff. and his son then came out in um [330:59] March 6th of 2024 [331:02] showing that his dad had been faking [331:03] prophecy that his dad said it's normal [331:05] in the movement and everybody does it. [331:06] Um and he gave specific examples and [331:09] that his dad was also being predatory [331:10] towards women and he only came out the [331:13] son Jedodiah who I interviewed and I'll [331:15] link that interview down below. The son [331:17] only came out publicly because Bethl [331:19] wouldn't and if Michelle Syler of Bethl [331:21] had come out publicly she wouldn't have [331:23] had to either but they wouldn't do it. I [331:25] go through the whole drama. We talk [331:27] about all of it in the video I'll link [331:28] down below. I'll just show you a little [331:30] little bits of it. Okay. According to [331:32] Michelle, they knew about Bob back in [331:35] 2016 or 17. They knew about his [331:37] predatory behaviors. And an email went [331:40] out to Bethl leadership only and it was [331:43] very vague and it was basically don't go [331:45] to Bob's house. Don't talk to don't have [331:48] do stuff with Bob. That was kind of what [331:49] it was. But it didn't explain why. It [331:51] didn't warn people. I had a former staff [331:53] member of Bethl reach out and go, "Yeah, [331:54] I remember that email." And it was so [331:56] vague, we didn't know what it meant. Bob [331:58] was still active in Bethl even after [332:00] that. He was still praying on people in [332:01] their church. Even after that, [332:04] his patterns were offering money to [332:05] women [332:07] um for intercourse and also pushing [332:09] himself physically on people. Michelle [332:11] says that he came to her house [332:12] intoxicated, pulled all his clothes off, [332:14] and chased her around the room. What is [332:15] it with these guys? and just uninvitedly [332:18] disroing. [332:21] And the prophecy stuff, he would [332:22] prophesy to girls that he was going to [332:24] marry them and about how wonderful they [332:26] would be and all this stuff. And he [332:27] would flash his money around and he [332:28] would use this to try to, you know, [332:30] carnal pleasures. Here's a creepy video [332:32] that Bob sent to a woman he had met one [332:34] time and prophesied over one time and [332:36] then he sent her this video. He's trying [332:38] to offer her money in order to get her [332:41] Well, I'll just play the video. [332:44] >> This is me right now. [332:46] I don't need a woman to be near me or be [332:49] with me. But I love the bless and I've [332:52] worked hard and I would do that. But I [332:56] don't need this. I know everybody's [332:59] having a hard life. Everybody's been [333:01] treated all that stuff. But I said, I'll [333:04] meet you in the parking lot with money. [333:07] You can go away, you know. Right. You [333:11] know, I am tempted to send you some [333:14] beforehand because I believe in your [333:16] heart. [333:18] But, you know, I worked all week. So, I [333:22] have just a relaxing night. I got a [333:26] fireplace over here. A beautiful, [333:29] beautiful room and house. I got to clean [333:31] it up a little, but with my back [333:35] porches, the golf, of course. It's an [333:38] unbelievable house. And there's I don't [333:40] have it on, but that's the [333:43] gas fireplace. And that's Ring Grant. [333:46] And this is so cozy back here, baby. And [333:50] with the fire on, so I just want to [333:54] relax, you know. I'm not a flipped [333:57] around. I think I'm not a saxophone, [334:01] you know. [334:04] But I am the love [334:07] where I love that intimacy. [334:10] >> It seems pretty obvious what's happening [334:11] here is he's flashing money. He's trying [334:14] to trying to seduce this woman using [334:16] himself in a mirror, but also money. Um, [334:20] she didn't like it. She sent this over [334:21] to Michelle Syler. That that is [334:22] something she actually posted online. [334:24] And she also posted a a testimony of a [334:26] girl who says that she was our AP from [334:29] Bob as well as Bob's own board member [334:31] exposing him, one of his previous board [334:33] members. But that guy just ended up [334:34] stepping down cuz it's always the same. [334:36] The board members step down. They never [334:37] actually publicly expose these guys. [334:39] When they're predators to and dangerous [334:41] to others, you have to expose them [334:42] publicly. That has to be the new rule. [334:44] And I'm going to play the rest of the [334:46] video here, but [334:48] I'm not here saying Bob's quirky and [334:51] weird or he has a raspy voice. I don't [334:52] care about that. What we're saying here [334:54] is um Bob is looked at as a prophetic [334:59] voice inside of Bethl. Even after the [335:01] letter that went out, even up until [335:03] Michelle Sidler went public, he's still [335:05] looked at as a prophetic voice. People [335:06] view him that way. They see him that [335:08] way. [335:10] He's inviting people from Bethl over to [335:12] his home for what? Paying them for this [335:15] stuff. He's obviously done this numerous [335:17] times. He goes, "I've never had to pay [335:19] just to get a response before." Oh, he's [335:21] paid for other things, I guess, but not [335:22] the response. [335:24] Bethl could have, should have, didn't. [335:28] >> That's what I meant to turn this around. [335:32] I know, but I need to hear from you and [335:35] I need to hear. [335:39] I'll meet at this place, [335:41] you know, and I'll send your money for, [335:44] you know, a little bit of travel you're [335:46] going. And then I just [335:51] never had to pay for somebody to respond [335:53] to me. And I just don't mind blessing [335:58] somebody who has financial need and I [336:01] just feel like I'm not paying for [336:04] this. I don't know how to turn this [336:06] around. I'm sorry. [336:08] I'm praying for intimacy. I just want to [336:11] bless you. So, let me know how you feel. [336:14] Let me know. Okay, this is what it's [336:17] going to cost. And I just I pay for a [336:20] lot of people in a lot of situations. [336:23] >> I pay for a lot of people in a lot of [336:26] situations. [336:31] >> And so I just got to know I also know [336:34] that you want to partner with me. You [336:36] want to bless the world we're blessing [336:40] which is an awesome world. You know I [336:44] can explain it to you later but I don't [336:47] spend much on me. I got a beautiful home [336:50] and $13 million properties that are B&Bs [336:53] are unbelievable. [336:55] I love to travel, [336:57] but I do want to get my business in a [337:00] place where it just flows and get my [337:02] body healthy and be with somebody that [337:04] understands [337:06] and we can ride up wondrous things [337:09] together. So, respond that and uh we'll [337:13] see if some people wake up tonight. Bye. [337:20] when Mike Pickle was being accused by a [337:21] number of women [337:23] um which was found by an investigation [337:26] to be credible um credible stuff, bad [337:29] stuff. [337:31] Bob Hartley was threatening people [337:33] behind the scenes with litigation. All [337:35] your dirty secrets are going to come [337:37] out. We have the best lawyers. [337:45] I am not here claiming, this is [337:46] important, I'm not here claiming that [337:48] Bethl um deliberately put Bob back in [337:52] front of women who he would do this [337:53] stuff to or people like that. But we do [337:56] know that he routinely prophesied [337:59] prophesied falsely. He faked prophecy. [338:00] He'd look up people's information. His [338:02] son has revealed this and he says he he [338:03] even admitted to it. Said that it was [338:05] normal in the movement. And I'm I'm [338:06] believing that. I believe that [338:10] Bethl didn't do the right thing. It's [338:12] not that they did nothing. They didn't [338:14] do the right They sent out a letter at [338:15] one point which was I would say was [338:17] probably just damage control. Then when [338:19] people were asking him to go public, [338:20] even even Bob's son, hey Bill, would you [338:23] please do something? You got to warn [338:24] people that I think he's going to he's [338:25] going to my dad's probably going to get [338:27] arrested or something. He's done some [338:28] stuff that's pretty bad here. I think um [338:30] they didn't do anything. There was [338:33] private conversations that made it sound [338:34] like actions would be taken, but in the [338:36] end nothing happened. And so they went [338:38] public. after they went public, after it [338:40] went on social media, after it went on [338:42] Facebook, then they came out with uh a [338:46] letter announcing some stuff about Bob. [338:49] Uh it was only then because it was [338:51] damage control and covered up culture [338:52] and it was not what it should have been. [338:55] Bob Hartley is close to Bethl and close [338:57] to Bill. Um after Bill's wife passed in [339:00] 2022, again, sadly, and I'm sorry for [339:02] that, Bill. [339:04] Um super tragic. Um, but after that [339:08] happened, Bob Hartley was the one who [339:10] prophesied to him that God was going to [339:12] give Bill a coutura, a second wife. And [339:15] then Bill went and pursued a young woman [339:16] from his church for a little while and [339:18] it ultimately fell apart. And then Bill [339:20] posted on Instagram complaining about [339:21] his church and suggesting that it was it [339:24] was their fault for not embracing the [339:27] adventure or something weird like that. [339:29] Um, so here this is it. I'm going to I'm [339:32] going to end this video now. Here's the [339:33] conclusion. Here's my final call. And I [339:35] hope I can do this well. [339:44] My call to charismatic leaders is [339:48] you have to call them all out. [339:52] All of them. I know that there's leaders [339:54] who have sin in their lives. And that [339:57] doesn't always need to be exposed. Okay? [339:58] It doesn't. But when you have people who [340:00] are faking prophecy, I don't care who [340:02] they are, they have to be called out [340:05] publicly. And you may feel powerless. [340:06] You may feel like you're nobody, but I'm [340:08] telling you, there's an rising army of [340:09] people who will come alongside and [340:11] defend and support you. You just have to [340:13] open your mouth and start saying what [340:14] you know. I don't care if you're on [340:15] staff at Bethl, you need to start [340:17] speaking the truth. It doesn't matter if [340:20] if it's with Benny Hen or you're with [340:21] Jesus Image or you're with uh Morning [340:23] Star. Just start speaking the truth [340:25] because the one thing that that is [340:26] absolutely going to cleanse the church [340:29] in the charismatic world is the truth. [340:33] Rip the band-aid off. Call them out. [340:38] And we need to deliver people like Shawn [340:40] BS over to Satan. As scripture says, [340:42] what I mean is excommunication. The guy [340:44] should not be invited or welcomed into [340:46] any church building until he publicly [340:47] repents and confesses. And Sean BS, let [340:50] me say since I've targeted you so much [340:51] in this video. [340:53] Here's a here's a message to you [340:54] personally, Sean. I will champion you if [340:58] you repent. But your repentance has to [341:00] have one qualifier. You have to tell us [341:02] all the people you know about. All of [341:04] them. If you openly say the truth about [341:07] the people you know about who are faking [341:08] things, who are manipulating things, and [341:10] the stuff that you know behind the [341:11] scenes, then we'll believe it's real. [341:13] Otherwise, I just don't believe you. I [341:16] just don't believe you. And I've talked [341:17] to your victims, former employees, they [341:20] care about you still and they want they [341:22] would rather see you repent. They just [341:23] don't believe you. They don't trust you [341:24] will. But, but that's what they would [341:25] prefer. They care about you. They they [341:27] know you need help. They know you need [341:29] help. You need counseling. You need real [341:30] help. and um and I will I will open arms [341:34] lovingly embrace you and encourage you [341:37] um if indeed you you come broken but [341:40] until then you are an enemy to the [341:42] church and you have to be kicked out you [341:44] be excommunicated from the body from [341:46] anybody any group of Christians because [341:48] of your behaviors and that is true of so [341:51] many people that's true of Bob Hartley [341:55] so that's the rabbit hole guys that's [341:58] the rabbit hole [342:00] where the church can go from here is [342:02] really simple. [342:04] Normal people holding fast to moral [342:07] truth and righteous standards, no matter [342:11] who gets ups upset with them for it, no [342:13] matter who gets irritated with them for [342:15] it, where you simply won't let it go. [342:16] And you'll realize that if you've been [342:18] the victim of a fake prophet, [342:20] you have a lot of power to tell the [342:22] truth. You really do. And when you start [342:25] thinking about all the other people he's [342:26] going to continue to victimize for the [342:27] next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you realize [342:30] you have a good reason to come forward [342:31] and tell the truth and a lot of us will [342:33] support you. So, I am sorry. I mean, [342:36] part of me is really sorry to bring this [342:38] video to you and make this video. I [342:39] don't like this. I don't take pleasure [342:41] in it. Um, man, I wish it could have [342:43] been better. I I reached out to Bethl a [342:45] long time ago and asked if I could talk [342:46] to to Chris or Danny about these [342:47] situations and they don't want to talk [342:48] to me. Um I have talked to another [342:51] leader at Bethl who's um one I have not [342:54] mentioned who you guys don't know and um [342:57] I hope there's I hope there's real [342:59] change. I hope there's real reform. I do [343:00] believe it can happen but it would take [343:02] such a change of the structure that you [343:04] guys would be calling out your own [343:06] foundations as false. That's what it's [343:08] going to take. And I will champion you [343:11] if you do that [343:13] for what it's worth. I mean who am I? [343:15] I'm just trying to be a voice for these [343:17] people. This is dedicated to the victims [343:18] of Shawn Bulls. And this has been [343:20] chasing him down the rabbit hole into [343:22] the coverup culture that is going on in [343:24] the charismatic church. Now, you know, [343:26] and there's more coming. I'm not done [343:28] yet. I want to be, but I have to share [343:31] more. [343:33] So, that's it. I want to pray before we [343:35] go. Um, Father God, we know that without [343:37] your grace, none of us would stand. We [343:39] know that you want us to be a group of [343:41] people who are not just enraged and [343:43] angry, but who are reaching out with [343:44] with righteous hands of justice and [343:47] mercy both. And so we pray for that. We [343:49] pray that you'd help your church to [343:50] respond like the church to these things. [343:53] That we would root out wickedness and we [343:54] would root out deceit and lies, but that [343:57] we would also bring comfort and support. [343:59] And it wouldn't just be about destroying [344:01] things, but it would be about rebuilding [344:02] and establishing things. And we pray for [344:04] that. I pray for the for the charismatic [344:06] leaders now who are righteous, who stand [344:09] in truth, who do not deceive knowingly [344:12] deceive anybody. Um, and we pray that [344:14] you would guide and direct them and [344:15] you'd raise them up as new voices inside [344:16] the charismatic church to be proper [344:18] guides, to be those who gain the [344:21] authority in the eyes of others so that [344:23] they can um create a new culture where [344:26] uh where there is goodness and [344:27] righteousness in Jesus name. Amen. [344:39] I actually just finished editing this [344:41] video. Spent the last couple days um [344:43] probably 20 something hours editing the [344:47] video and um looking back over it. I I [344:50] don't want to end it where I did. I want [344:52] to offer a word of encouragement. Um, if [344:55] you have been part of the charismatic [344:57] movement, if you have been under one of [344:59] these teachers, even blessed by one of [345:00] these teachers, can I tell you [345:01] something? That's okay. Um, be [345:03] encouraged. Try to take whatever good [345:06] you've received and hold on to that, but [345:09] you will have to go through a process [345:10] that may take some time. I've talked to [345:12] a bunch of people who've gone through [345:13] this process, and it's difficult, but [345:15] there's light at the end of the tunnel. [345:16] And that process involves sort of [345:18] disentangling [345:20] some of the stuff that you've [345:21] experienced uh from your genuine [345:23] Christian faith. And I want to encourage [345:25] you that in Jeremiah's day, there were [345:28] so many fake false prophets. Now, they [345:31] weren't supposed to be at home in the [345:33] church in that sense, in that analogy, [345:35] but they were there and there was still [345:37] the real. And there's been around the [345:40] world, there's been millions of false [345:42] religions or however many false [345:43] religions, yet there is one that is [345:44] actually true. When Jesus came, there [345:46] was one real Messiah, even though there [345:48] have been a lot of false messiahs. Jesus [345:50] talked about how there could be tears [345:52] amongst the wheat. Um, we understand [345:54] that we want our churches and our [345:57] fellowships and our experience as [345:58] Christians to be perfect and it just [346:00] often isn't the case. And that's okay. [346:02] That's part of the real world and part [346:04] of how we grow. And I I would just want [346:06] to encourage you in that. Don't [346:07] overreact to these things and throw out [346:09] the uh the truth of Christ with the fake [346:13] that you're confronting and dealing [346:14] with. and wrestling with and working [346:16] through. We know that in the book of [346:18] Revelation and 1 Corinthians that there [346:20] were problems in the church, even [346:21] significant problems in the church and [346:22] it was still real Christians that were [346:24] there, but there were real problems that [346:26] were there. I want to remind you of the [346:28] gospel of Jesus Christ. That God himself [346:31] took on human form. Jesus came, born of [346:33] a virgin. He lived the perfect sinless [346:35] life for us. Did the thing that you and [346:37] I have not done. All of us, if if we [346:39] were to be called out on every sin, we [346:41] would all fail. We would all be [346:42] completely fallen short of God's glory. [346:44] and destined for a [346:48] a judgment apart from God. Um the wrath [346:51] of God, but Jesus took our sin upon [346:54] himself on the cross. He died for you. [346:57] He died for me. That we would just trust [346:59] in him and receive salvation. God so [347:02] loved the world that he gave his only [347:03] begotten son. And you know why I'm [347:04] telling you these things that you have [347:06] already heard and already know? Because [347:08] you need to cling to the things that are [347:09] true. And from there, you work through [347:12] the things that are false. And from [347:14] there you you you disentangle the stuff [347:16] that doesn't belong. So I just want to [347:18] encourage you. Christ, he is not like [347:20] these examples I've given today. He [347:22] actually has verifiable prophetic [347:24] fulfillment in his life. Like real [347:26] fulfillment of prophecy. And I've done a [347:28] whole series of video. I've taken my [347:30] same mentality and skeptical mind and [347:32] I've examined the text of the scriptures [347:34] and I've examined the evidence for [347:35] Christianity and the support there is [347:36] for the resurrection of Jesus. And I [347:38] mean fulfilled prophecy, one of my [347:40] favorite subjects in the world. It's [347:42] it's so so good. Christ is trustworthy. [347:45] God is good. I want to read you a [347:47] scripture that might encourage you if [347:48] this all is setting you into a time of [347:53] sort of purification by fire, some [347:55] difficulty, some challenges. Let me [347:58] remind you of this. Blessed be the God [348:00] and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. [348:02] According to his great mercy, he has [348:04] caused us to be born again to a living [348:07] hope through the resurrection of Jesus [348:08] Christ from the dead to an inheritance [348:10] that is imperishable, undefiled, and [348:13] unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by [348:16] God's power are being guarded through [348:18] faith for a salvation ready to re be [348:21] revealed in the last time. In this you [348:23] rejoice, though now for a little while, [348:25] if necessary, you have been grieved by [348:27] various trials, so that the tested [348:30] genuiness of your faith, more precious [348:33] than gold that perishes, though it is [348:35] tested by fire, may be found to result [348:38] in praise and glory and honor at the [348:41] revelation of Jesus Christ. This, if [348:44] this puts you into a tail spin, this is, [348:46] I pray, a time of testing, not a time of [348:49] destruction, a time of purification. [348:51] Because when when fire comes, as this [348:53] text in in front of you says, when fire [348:55] comes and tests gold, it brings the [348:57] impurities to the top so that they can [348:59] scrape them away. That's the dross. You [349:01] get rid of that. That is the idea. And [349:03] I'm praying that within the charismatic [349:06] church and within your life [349:07] individually, that you find yourself [349:09] more purified, more focused upon Christ, [349:12] more genuine and real, but not, I hope, [349:16] just cynical. I am still not cynical. I [349:19] am, yeah, I'm very highly skeptical of [349:21] specific patterns and specific habits [349:23] and specific individuals, but I'm not [349:26] cynical about the work of the Holy [349:27] Spirit in the church, about the idea of [349:30] God giving us something really special [349:32] through a real move of the Holy Spirit [349:34] or a revival or a prophecy or even [349:37] tongues and those kinds of things. Um, [349:40] you don't have to [349:43] discard the real because you're getting [349:46] rid of the fake. But we do have to stop [349:48] embracing the fake, thinking it's some [349:50] pathway to the real. That has to stop. [349:53] So, I I hope that's some encouragement [349:54] to you. I'm sorry for bringing you guys [349:56] this video. I know that it's it's uh [349:58] unpleasant and I've spent the past year [350:02] uh listening to victims and talking with [350:04] people and gathering stuff. And I'm [350:05] going to try to get it all out there and [350:07] then I want to move on to other things. [350:08] I just want to steward well th those [350:10] stories and those individuals and the [350:12] situations that have come my way. And I [350:14] appreciate your prayers as I do that. [350:16] Thank you.  ## 📺 Video ![](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH05S53QlY0) --- # 📝 Full Notes (Deep-Read Analysis) # 🏷️ Title: The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Expose coverup culture in charismatic church — protect victims from false prophets #accountability - [H2] Reform revival culture practices — stop creating predators through unchecked endorsements #church-reform - [H3] Implement biblical discernment standards — follow 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for public rebuke #biblical-standards ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### 🔗 References - [1 Timothy 5:19-20](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%205%3A19-20&version=ESV) - [Bethel Church](https://www.bethel.com/) - [Shawn Bolz Ministry](https://bolzministries.com/) ## 📝 Summary - Mike Winger exposes Shawn Bolz as a fraudulent prophet who used Facebook data mining to fake prophetic words - Bethel Church leadership, particularly Bill Johnson, privately knew about Bolz's deceptions but continued public endorsements - Victims like Jubilee Dawn suffered severe abuse including domestic violence due to false prophecies about marriage - A network of charismatic leaders engaged in coverup culture rather than protecting congregants - Evidence includes secret recordings, text messages, and multiple victim testimonies spanning years ## 📖 Main Content This investigation reveals systemic problems within charismatic church leadership regarding accountability and victim protection. Shawn Bolz built a ministry around detailed "prophetic words" that included personal information like birthdays, addresses, and family names. Evidence suggests he obtained this information through social media data mining rather than divine revelation. The most damaging aspect involves church leaders who privately distanced themselves from Bolz while maintaining public silence. Bethel Church leadership, including Bill Johnson and Chris Vallotton, allegedly knew about problems as early as 2016 but continued endorsing Bolz publicly through 2023. This created a dangerous situation where victims continued suffering while leaders protected their reputations. Multiple victims report life-altering consequences from false prophecies, including marriages that resulted in domestic violence. The case highlights broader issues of "revival culture" that prioritizes supernatural experiences over biblical discernment and pastoral protection. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=0) — [H1] Introduction to Shawn Bolz Investigation - Key idea: Shawn Bolz was the "white rabbit" leading to extensive coverup culture in charismatic churches - Evidence: "This guy was my white rabbit...to see how bad things are in coverup culture inside the charismatic church" #### ⏱️ [02:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=165) — [H2] Biblical Mandate for Public Rebuke - Key idea: 1 Timothy 5:19-20 requires public rebuke of persistent sin among leaders - Evidence: "Rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear" #### ⏱️ [05:23](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=323) — [H2] Shawn Bolz's Prophetic Method - Key idea: Bolz would call out specific personal details to convince people of his prophetic gift - Evidence: "He can tell you your birthday, your street address, how many kids you have, the name of your pet" #### ⏱️ [08:15](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=495) — [H1] Bill Johnson's Endorsement at ISUUSA - Key idea: Bill Johnson's 2016 platform gave Bolz credibility that enabled widespread deception - Evidence: "One of our dearest friends, one of our most trusted friends is Shawn Bolz" #### ⏱️ [12:30](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=750) — [H2] Chris Vallotton's Private Warnings - Key idea: Bethel leadership privately banned Bolz while maintaining public silence - Evidence: "I've also told our entire team that they are not to minister with Shawn or have him in any of their ministries" #### ⏱️ [18:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1125) — [H1] Jubilee Dawn's Testimony - Key idea: False prophecy led to abusive marriage and near-death strangulation - Evidence: "He strangled me for the last time in January 2020 and I wasn't able to swallow without pain for 10 days" #### ⏱️ [25:12](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1512) — [H2] Secret Recording with Stacy Campbell - Key idea: Leaders privately acknowledged Bolz was "totally dangerous" but wouldn't warn publicly - Evidence: "Shawn Bolz is archery and totally dangerous...he's been caught red-handed" #### ⏱️ [32:18](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=1938) — [H2] Historical Pattern of Abuse - Key idea: Bolz learned methods from previous false prophets like Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and Mike Bickle - Evidence: "All of them used prophecy to sexually manipulate and take advantage of people" #### ⏱️ [38:45](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=2325) — [H1] The 2013 Facebook Upgrade - Key idea: Bolz's prophetic accuracy dramatically improved when Facebook expanded data availability - Evidence: "In 2013, I received one of these upgrades...I started to get birth dates and anniversary dates" #### ⏱️ [45:30](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=2730) — [H2] Prophetic Demonstrations on Children - Key idea: Bolz manipulated children with fake prophecies, using them as props - Evidence: Shows video clips of Bolz calling out young children by name and personal details #### ⏱️ [52:15](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=3135) — [H2] Teresa Deadman's Endorsement - Key idea: Multiple Bethel leaders endorsed Bolz as one of the most prophetic people on earth - Evidence: "One of the most prophetic creative people I know on the planet" #### ⏱️ [58:42](https://youtu.be/GH05S53QlY0?t=3522) — [H2] Sid Roth's Platform and Deletion - Key idea: Sid Roth endorsed Bolz as the most detailed prophet ever, then deleted content - Evidence: "The most amazingly detailed prophet he has ever known" ## 📚 References - [Bethel Church Official Website](https://www.bethel.com/) - [1 Timothy 5:19-20 ESV](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%205%3A19-20&version=ESV) - [Mike Winger YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/@MikeWinger) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - A charismatic church investigator exposes how Shawn Bolz used social media data to fake prophetic words while major church leaders covered up his deceptions - Multiple victims suffered severe consequences including domestic violence from following false prophecies about marriage and life direction - Church leaders prioritized protecting their reputations over warning and protecting their congregations from a known fraudulent prophet ## 📰 Newsletter **Protecting Your Community from Spiritual Manipulation** Church leaders face difficult decisions when confronting spiritual abuse within their networks. This investigation into charismatic church coverup culture offers important lessons for all faith communities about accountability and victim protection. The case reveals how trusted endorsements can enable harmful actors to access vulnerable people. When leaders discover problems, biblical standards require public accountability rather than private distancing. Transparent communication protects communities better than reputation management. **Key Takeaways:** - Implement verification processes for visiting speakers - Prioritize victim safety over institutional reputation - Follow biblical guidelines for public accountability - Train congregations in healthy discernment practices **Resources:** [Church Law & Tax](https://www.churchlawandtax.com/), [GRACE](https://www.netgrace.org/), [Spiritual Abuse Recovery](https://www.spiritualabuse.org/) ## ✅ Action Items #### Community - Maintainers: Develop speaker vetting policies, create victim support protocols - Contributors: Share experiences of spiritual manipulation, provide accountability feedback - Sponsors: Fund independent investigations, support victim recovery services - Ecosystem: Cross-reference speaker endorsements, coordinate warning systems #### WordPress - Community: Create safeguarding guidelines for WordCamp speakers - Support: Develop resources for community abuse reporting - Documentation: Document accountability processes and transparency standards ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Social media data mining enables sophisticated religious fraud that mimics supernatural revelation - Revival culture prioritizing supernatural experiences over discernment creates vulnerability to manipulation - Private knowledge of abuse combined with public silence enables continued victimization - Interconnected endorsement networks amplify fraudulent spiritual authority across multiple platforms ### 📊 Methodology - Analyze patterns in prophetic accuracy correlated with social media data availability - Interview multiple victims to establish consistent patterns of manipulation - Compare private communications with public statements from church leaders - Document financial and promotional connections between fraudulent prophets and endorsing leaders ### ❓ Questions - How can religious communities balance supernatural beliefs with practical verification methods? - What legal and ethical obligations do church leaders have when they privately know about spiritual abuse? - How can victims of spiritual manipulation find healing and restoration after false prophetic guidance? ### 🔮 Future Research - Systematic analysis of prophetic accuracy claims across charismatic movements - Development of trauma-informed pastoral care for spiritual abuse survivors - Investigation of financial networks supporting fraudulent prophetic ministries ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Churches need formal processes for speaker verification and abuse reporting - Policy: Religious freedom protections may need balance with consumer fraud prevention - Security: Social media data mining presents ongoing risks for privacy and manipulation - Education: Seminary training should include identifying and addressing spiritual abuse - Funding: Donor transparency becomes crucial when ministries have accountability issues ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 10th Grade (Flesch-Kincaid) #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: Screenshots of text messages, video clips of prophetic demonstrations - Improve: Timeline graphics, organizational charts showing connections between leaders #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Audio testimony from victims, recorded conversations with leaders - Improve: Podcast summary, expert commentary on spiritual abuse dynamics #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Detailed explanations of prophetic methods, biblical terminology definitions - Improve: Case study comparisons, analogies to other institutional abuse scenarios #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: Step-by-step breakdown of data mining process, interactive timeline - Improve: Checklist for identifying spiritual manipulation, hands-on discernment exercises #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Evidence correlation charts, cause-and-effect relationships between endorsements and harm - Improve: Statistical analysis of prophetic claims, decision trees for church accountability #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Victim testimony, community discussion prompts - Improve: Support group resources, peer accountability frameworks #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual reflection questions, personal discernment guides - Improve: Self-assessment tools for spiritual manipulation, private journaling prompts #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Pattern recognition in spiritual abuse cycles - Improve: Ecosystem metaphors for healthy vs toxic church environments ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Clear headings structure, descriptive video transcripts - Improve: Alt text for screenshots, ARIA labels for complex audio/video content #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Standard video player controls, text-based content - Improve: Skip links for long testimony sections, keyboard shortcuts for navigation #### Contrast and readability - Present: High contrast text, readable font sizes - Improve: Ensure 4.5:1 contrast ratio maintained throughout, optimize for low vision users #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: Responsive design for various screen sizes - Improve: Test at 200% zoom, prevent horizontal scrolling #### Media and captions - Present: Full video transcript provided - Improve: Synchronized captions with speaker identification, audio descriptions for visual elements #### Forms and interactions - Present: Simple text-based content consumption - Improve: Accessible feedback forms for additional testimony, clear error handling ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: Focus on American charismatic movement - Improve: International perspectives on spiritual abuse, cross-cultural accountability models #### Inclusive language - Present: Respectful treatment of victims, clear explanations of religious terminology - Improve: Gender-neutral language where possible, plain language summaries #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear structure with timestamps, detailed explanations - Improve: Content warnings for trauma material, consistent formatting patterns #### Representation - Present: Multiple victim voices, diverse experiences within religious context - Improve: Include perspectives from various cultural backgrounds within Christianity #### Psychological safety - Present: Sensitive handling of abuse testimony, focus on victim protection - Improve: Trigger warnings for domestic violence content, resources for trauma recovery ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: Biblical standards applied to church leadership behavior (strong) - Inductive strength: Multiple victim testimonies establishing pattern (strong) - Causal reasoning: Direct connection between endorsements and victim harm (strong) - Analogical strength: Comparison to previous prophetic scandals (moderate) #### Fallacies - Ad hominem: Occasional personal attacks on character rather than focusing purely on actions - Guilt by association: Some connections between leaders may be overstated without direct evidence #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Investigative and confrontational, appropriate righteous anger for victim advocacy ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: Leaders deny knowledge or responsibility for Bolz's actions despite private communications - Attack: Anticipated attacks on messenger's motives and credibility - Reverse victim/offender: Leaders may portray themselves as victims of unfair criticism - Emotional cues: Uses victim testimony to maintain focus on actual harm rather than institutional concerns ## 🎯 Conclusion This investigation exposes systemic failures in charismatic church accountability that enabled widespread spiritual abuse. The evidence demonstrates how trusted religious leaders privately knew about fraudulent prophetic ministry while maintaining public endorsements, directly contributing to victim harm. The case demands immediate reform in how religious communities handle allegations of spiritual manipulation. Biblical standards require public accountability for persistent sin among leaders, not private damage control. Churches must prioritize victim protection over institutional reputation to restore credibility and prevent future abuse. Moving forward, religious communities need formal verification processes, transparent communication about leadership concerns, and trauma-informed care for spiritual abuse survivors. Only through genuine accountability can the charismatic movement rebuild trust and fulfill its mission of serving believers rather than exploiting them. ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] Charismatic leaders enable spiritual abuse through coverup culture > --- # 📄 Full Transcript *Auto-generated from YouTube captions · timestamps roughly every 30 seconds · [watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH05S53QlY0)* **[00:10]** This video is not for everybody, but it's very important, I think, especially for the charismatic church and for Christians in churches to deal with abuse, fraud, cover up, and the devastating breath of it all. Sean BS, this guy right here, he was my white rabbit. Okay, this guy was my white rabbit. He's the rabbit I chased down the rabbit hole to see how bad things are in coverup culture inside the charismatic church. The connections to all these different figures and years of **[00:40]** stuff, generations of abusers, fraud and coverup in the charismatic church, Sean BS. So, you're going to go down the same rabbit hole I went down. This started early last year and I've spent the last year dealing with and talking to victims and people who have been hurt and gathering evidence. I've talked to many of the people that Shawn victimized and spiritually abused. I'm going to be sharing their stories. I have evidence that has never been seen by anybody before. I've uh gathered that evidence and I'm going to be sharing it along with witness testimony from multiple **[01:10]** people. His victims asked me to speak out on their behalf because the leaders in the charismatic church would not and they participated in my opinion in coverup culture. But that can change. I'm doing this for the charismatic church. I love you guys. I believe in the gifts. I'll tell you more about that in a second. But buckle up because we're going to go deep into the rabbit hole and you need to hear the details because what happens is when someone like Sean is exposed, everybody just washes their hands of it and acts like they had no part in it. And that's not true. And if we don't **[01:40]** show the connections, then we can't fix the problems. So, I've gathered the evidence that shows how coverup culture handled it in the in the charismatic church. Uh not only Shambles, but many, many other situations. And the elites all knew about it. They knew about Shambles. The elites did. And they did nothing as far as warning their people. They left their people in the dark. People who had been prophesied to, people who had been abused, they just left them alone or in the dark. This is going to be a long video. There will be timestamps down below to try to help you navigate things because it will just get **[02:11]** crazier and crazier. I will continue to unpack different scenarios, another witness, a different situation, tying it into another leader. This is just the way it's going to be. I hate this video. I hope you hate it, too. This is all lame and terrible, and this is not my normal ministry stuff. I don't plan on continuing doing this forever. I just want to help the situation and then move on to back to Bible studies. That's my plan. So this is the story of lying in the name of God, of abusing the people of God, of doineering, sexual harassment from Shambles, uh, and **[02:42]** not only the failure of respected leaders to warn and protect their own people, their followers from Shambols while they had previously propped him up as a prophet to them, but the fact that their system of leadership inside, not the entire, not every charismatic, most of them would would would be appalled by the things I'm about to share with you, but there is a system amongst the elites that is dangerous and their system of leadership. It it in a culture of coverup. It not only makes it so that they can't deal with someone like Shawn Bols, a predator in their midst, but it actually creates them in the first **[03:12]** place. It raises them up. They have a system of revival culture and a way of handling prophecy that I believe creates men like this over and over again. And it's going to keep happening over and over again. So, I'm hoping to bring positive reform into the charismatic church. You may not agree with everything I share in this video. Those of you who are charismatics, especially leaders watching this, um, fine, but glean what you can, find what you can that is beneficial to you. And please consider how to stop this stuff from happening again inside your own **[03:43]** fellowships and to your own people because it's not worth revival culture to victimize your own people and put them in front of fake prophets and tell them about fake healings and all this other stuff. It has to stop and it has to stop now. So, I think this video will help that. I do believe it. That's why I'm doing it for the benefit and blessings of the charismatic church. So, I'm exposing a whole bunch of corruption inside the charismatic church. It has to be done. Um, I've because I've done this series of videos now and I'll continue with the series for a while. Then I'll stop the series, get back to Bible studies, and I will be very happy to do **[04:14]** that. Because of that though, there is going to be slander coming against me personally because, you know, shoot the messenger kind of thing. So, I just want to make a couple things really clear. I believe in the gifts. I'm not advocating against the use of the gifts of the spirit of prophecy or tongues or any of those things. Um, as long as they're done biblically and properly, which that I'm advocating for, and that does not often happen. Um, I I'm making no money from these videos, right? The what I mean here is that the the uh on YouTube, there's no monetization on these videos. **[04:45]** All these charismatic, you know, coverup culture videos I'm making, there's zero monetization. So, every it can make a million views, it will not make me any money. The money doesn't go to me anyways. it goes to the ministry and it doesn't affect my paycheck. I don't get like a ratio raise when when there's more ad revenue that comes in. We have minimal ads because that you should on YouTube or else YouTube doesn't promote your content as much. Um, but this has to be done and I'm I'm not here to destroy the church. Uh, I' I'd actually like to see Sean repent and I'd be so so happy if any of the people I'm talking about repent and I will champion them **[05:16]** being forgiven and them being seen as cleansed by the Lord if there's real repentance. But the problem is these guys fake it all the time. They fake repentance all the time. So we need we need proof here. I'm trying to follow what the Bible tells us to do. In 1 Timothy 5:19-20, it says the first part that the charismatic church is already doing. It says, "Do not admit a charge against an elder." But they don't read the rest of it usually. It says, "Except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, distance yourself from them." No, **[05:46]** that's not what it says. No. Pretend that you have no part in their in their ministry or you didn't raise them up. No, that's not what it says. It says, "Rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear." That is this kind of rebuke. What I'm bringing right now about shambles, it's meant to cause all of the people, all of the leaders to go, I better I better walk right. I better not manipulate. I better not fake my prophecies. I better not exaggerate my my spiritual experiences. I better not do any of that stuff. And we need that kind of reform **[06:18]** in the charismatic church big time. Okay, let's go down the rabbit hole. Sean BS. This is the guy Shawn BS. He's the guy that hears from God or pretends to hear from God no matter who it hurts. Sean doesn't come off like a highbrow prophet though. Um he was like the boy wonder. I'll tell tell you more about this. I'll tell you more about everything. It's all coming out today. Text messages. secret **[06:51]** recording, multiple witnesses. It's all coming out. It's all coming out. I've been sitting on this stuff for a while now, and it's time. So, he doesn't come off like a highbrow prophet. Sean comes off like a normal dude. Uh, but he's one who's literally getting revelation from God on a continual basis. That's the thing. He's I'm just a normal guy, but man, he hears from God. He can tell you without ever meeting you. He will tell you your birthday, your street address, how many kids you have, the name of your pet, your where your mom lives, and other private information. He'll tell you **[07:22]** about things that you've done recently or or hopes that you have in your heart. And and he says it's all coming from God. He's like, "I've never met you, but I'm but I know your number, but I know your name, but I the Lord showed me the name of your dog. It's Maverick. I know it." And you go and you think, "Wow, he's really speaking to me. God's speaking to me." So, he convinced through this what is ultimately a gimmick. He convinced countless people that he was a prophet. This was especially true when Bill Johnson platformed him at ISUsa. Now, this **[07:53]** platforming was a big deal. Here, let me show it to you. At this event in 2016, this is where Bill Johnson put that's Bill Johnson on stage there with Shambles in front of countless people in the stadium and probably millions who saw it online. this event was was a big thing. He gets up there and he starts calling people out in we'll look at some videos of this later. Uh calling people out in the audience. He calls out a name. He he tells them their life story. He tells them God's calling them to be a missionary to this place and go here. **[08:24]** And it was just an amazing amazing event. Look at how Bill introduced him because I want us to understand that Bill Johnson has responsibility for Shambles. >> But we're also weaving in the prophetic. And one of our dearest friends, one of our most trusted friends is Shawn BS. And the Lord has shown him several things. >> That's how we got introduced. Why? Cuz people know and trust Bill Johnson. Bill Johnson is one of the most respected leaders in the charismatic church right now. He is seen as a safe man, a man who **[08:55]** is gentle, who is incredibly loving, who never says a bad word about anybody. This is his reputation. Like you will you'll never hear him say a bad word about a single human being in his entire life. Um, which of course makes it so that his congregation would think a video like what I'm doing is inherently wrong because Bill's such a nice guy. Um, so it's an interesting interesting method of self-p protection if you ask me. But Bill introduces him this way. Now, at the same time, it was not too long after this where Chris Valatin, his **[09:26]** number two guy at Bethl, was texting one of their um, one of the victims of Shawn BS and he told him and showed him the following. Let me put on your screen. This was in January 9th of 2021. He says, "I told him, Shawn BS, he needs to clean up his mess before he has a relationship with any of our people. I've also told our entire team that they are not to not minister with Shawn or have him in any of their ministries. I've also had a conversation with Bethl Music Leadership team and told them about Shawn's situation. They've agreed to ban him from their ministry. **[09:59]** I'm going to show you more of that text conversation later on in this video, but this is what has gone on. There has been the endorsement, then there was the distancing privately, but yet in 2023, Bill Johnson goes public again. And they've never at this point in time the timeline, they never made a public statement about Shambles being any kind of problem. But in 2023, Bill Johnson goes with Shambles on TBN and he says the following about Shawn. **[10:30]** >> But Bill, you wrote the forward to this book. It's called Translating God, hearing God's voice for yourself and the word around world around you. But you wrote that this was one of the most exciting books that you had read. Why was that? >> Um well the book by itself is incredible. Knowing the life that backs it up adds a power to it because it's so it's so practical. It's it's what you dream of. It's like if if you could see if you could have a perfect relationship with the Lord and see its impact on humanity, that's what **[11:02]** it would look like. I get excited knowing that we could actually raise up generations of people to do the same thing. We'll go all the way into the rabbit hole today, but Bill endorsing him like this, you will see very clearly, was an atrocious and evil act. Atrocious and evil. He set him up as a prophet to the world. He later had Chris Chris Valatin, you **[11:32]** know, under his under his ultimate leadership calling even calling uh Sean's board going he needs to be pulled out of ministry. he cannot do any of any events with us. He can't be anywhere near our team. Um, but publicly they wouldn't say a word about him. And when they were asked about it, they made it sound like it was sort of nebulous and who knows what's really wrong with this guy. Then Bill goes and endorses him. Well, the book by itself is incredible. Knowing the life that backs it up adds a power to it. If you could have a perfect relationship with the Lord and see its impact on humanity, that's what it would look like. >> What we find out though is that victims **[12:03]** of Shawn had reached out to Bethl leadership and asked them for help. And ultimately they decided not our problem. Um and here's the thing, pastors have to protect their people. If in my church somebody was targeting the flock there that that I'm part of, I would feel the obligation to protect them. Especially if you're the leader, you're the pastor. You're the supposed prophet. Kil Chris is supposed to be the prophet of Bethl. Yet he's not protecting his people. His reputation is one of prophetic integrity. It's not it's not real. **[12:34]** Bill's reputation is one of safety. It's not real and it needs to be exposed because it's a broader problem that goes bigger than Bethl. Even though Bethl's really big, they're one of the most influential charismatic churches on the planet as far as other people taking their lead, learning their practices, and trying to copy them. Um, which I I find to be a hazardous path. So, in 2022, right, a year approximately, not not even quite a year, before Bill Johnson **[13:05]** goes and publicly endorses Shawn BS again on TBN, I have a secretly recorded conversation where Stacy Campbell, another one of the prophetesses in the charismatic movement, is giving a list of all the people in the leadership who know about Shawn and how dangerous Shawn is. BS is archery and totally dangerous. Patricia King who told Chay and who told Chris Valatin **[13:35]** told these gross stories of sexual immorality of Shawn Bols. I know this from Chris's direct mouth. He said, "As far as I'm concerned, Sean Boltz is a deceiver and I will not have a back where I trust him." And so I'm concerned for you because I love you. >> Mhm. >> I'm giving you the warning that he's dangerous. His behavior is bad. **[14:08]** He's been caught red-handed. He can be worthwhile and he's unrepentant. He's not only dangerous for the body of Christ that a lot of times the people that affiliate with him go down when they go down. Every single bit of information Sean prophesying, you can find it on page one. You can find the whole thing and there was nothing that Sean was prophesying **[14:39]** that was that was from unknown revelation. It was only on. And so he sent me a document only 20 pages long. This is what Sean said. This is on the front page of their Facebook pages. This is on the second page. If you Google the person that their is their son that you find it, you know, I mean, it it just it was all there and it was highly intimidating in the order of law. >> I'm going to play that recording for you later. This is a very, very big deal **[15:09]** because if they all knew and they wouldn't tell you guys, it uncovers something real about the fact that what else do they know? Who else do they know about? Cuz I'll tell you, I could give you a list of names of people who should be publicly called out and who when leaders knew didn't do it. They didn't do it with Todd Bentley when they should have done it. They didn't do it with Bob Hartley when they should have done it. They didn't properly do it with Paul Kaine or Mike Bickl or I could just keep going on or William Brandham if you want to go really back to people who died before I was born. You know, it's been going on for a long time. **[15:41]** So, if Bill would endorse Shawn, who else would he endorse while overlooking serious issues? Who else would he put up as an incredible the life behind the book is is just it bears witness and all this kind of garbage which is which is not true. I have even spoken to some of the leaders in the movement and they told me one of in particular uh I won't give his name but a leader in the charismatic movement who told me Mike if we really start calling out all the guys that we know are doing like they're not just have sin issues I want to be gracious to **[16:12]** leaders who have sin issues cuz we all do and so do I. Um but I mean people who are like they're defrauding the people of God. They're lying in the name of God because if we we were to call them all out it would it would devastate it would devastate our movement. will do it. Call them out. You have to. All of you have to do it. Stop making people who aren't even part of your movement do it. Do it yourselves. That will bring integrity back to your movement. This video though, today's video is dedicated ultimately to the victims of Shawn BS, the many victims of Shawn BS. I've talked to three different **[16:44]** people who had uh marriages that they entered into because Shawn prophesied to them to get married, even though they say they don't do that sort of thing. Apparently happens a lot. Um and they were disasters. So they they got married because of a prophecy and it exploded in their in their faces, including one named Jubilee Dawn. Let's listen to her story now so you can get an idea of the people that I care about right now cuz I I for priority of who is more to be cared for, loved, and protected right now. It is not Shawn Bulls. It is Jubilee Dawn. So we're going to look **[17:14]** into what Jubilee Dawn says here. This is going to be her story. It's it's it's in detail. She got married because Shambols. She believed in Shawn BS because of Bill Johnson and she almost was killed by her husband. That Shawn BS said God was giving her to that man. >> I'm going to tell you about how it directly impacted my life and almost killed me. In 2015, I was dating a man, let's call him Ted, and we had only been dating for about a month. So, this church conference happened and I am still getting to know this guy. He was **[17:46]** 10 years older than me. It's a long story, but essentially at this conference, my ex was called out by Shawn Bulls. And I'm going to play that clip for you now. >> When you hand me the phone last night, um I saw 50, but I know that 50 is Jubilee Year. There's something about God's giving you a Jubilee. What does that mean to you? >> Oh, your girlfriend's name is Jubilee. That's awesome. Well, God's giving you this girl. And when we ordered the food this morning, they the By the way, >> so he starts off by, you know, God's giving you a jewel. Well, I he always **[18:16]** acts shocked. You're going to see this many times. He always likes to act surprised. I don't believe a single one of these prophecies came from God. I think he's been data mining for years and years and years and years. And you learned it from Paul Kaine and uh Bob Jones and the other guys who did it before him. And that's my theory. Now, not everybody agrees with me. Not even everybody I've talked to agrees with me about this. But let me share with you guys the evidence. Julie will give you some reasons to think that this was all made up. But imagine in the moment you're you're just in the audience and you hear this prophet, God's giving you **[18:48]** a jubilee. Oh, God's giving you that girl. You hear this and then you tell your girlfriend this. Of course she marries you. Of course she thinks I can never leave you. No matter if you strangle me, I can never leave you. >> This is a huge huge advertisement in the midst of prophesying and it's a prophetic advertisement that that tomato pie cafe place is like level 10 awesome. and we've been eating there for the mornings and it's like they've been bringing us food kindly enough and they're amazing. But does she have something to do with the Tomato Pie Cafe? Does she she works? Okay. Right. Jubilee from Tomato Pie Cafe. **[19:20]** >> So that is the clip and that is where he said that God was giving him Jubilee. Now in hindsight I know that where I worked was on Facebook. The fact that we were in a relationship was also on Facebook and he had met my ex the day before. So he was able to go home and find all that information. It's hard to put into words how highly esteemed this man is in these religious circles. Bethl being the main hub of these religious circles and essentially you just kind of believe that anything that this man says is like the word of God because he was a **[19:50]** very esteemed prophet and had a stamp of approval from Bethl. We ended up getting married later that year and he immediately turned abusive and I suffered through about four years of horrible physical, spiritual, mental abuse and it was absolutely traumatic and he ended up strangling me a couple years into our marriage and I did not leave this relationship because of what Shawn Bull said. I thought that God wanted me to be with this man and it was **[20:20]** mental anguish to unpack all of that. Obviously, I've deconstructed a lot since leaving Bethl. Um, but at the time, I was still drinking the Kool-Aid and thought that this prophet knew what God's will was. So, it took the second time that he strangled me for me to finally leave. And even in leaving, I was so tormented by this decision because I didn't know if I was outside of the will of God. He strangled me for the last time in January 2020 and I wasn't able to swallow without pain for **[20:51]** 10 days. And it was a very, very scary situation. Look up the statistics on your likelihood of being unalived after you have been strangled. I'm very lucky to be alive. >> Um, she's entirely correct here. So, order of events, right? Bethl endorses the guy. She's at Bethl. She's a third-year student at the Bethl School of Supernatural Ministry. You you're fully committed when you're a thirdyear student there. She's got a internship with Georgian Banov, a guy who still platform shambles even after uh everybody knew. Everybody knew in the **[21:21]** well in the leaders, none of us knew, right? On the elites, uh they knew. Um and she hears this because of Bethl, she believes this word. She gets strangled. Now, I was a domestic violence counselor, which means I've had some some training in that area. And strangulation is in in not only is it inherently a murderous act. Um but it can actually result in death even days later because of the residual swelling that happens after somebody is strangled. It is incredibly scary and dangerous and evil and murderous. And I **[21:53]** do have a video on divorce and remarage for those who would like to look at it. I think that from Jubilee's description, she was justified in fleeing for her life and leaving that man. That was appropriate. What's crazy is that it was 2020 when she finally left, right? But Bethl had information and evidence about Shawn being a fraud in 2016. Probably earlier, probably. Who knows? Maybe 2008. I don't know. I just don't know cuz they're not going to tell me. I don't think they're honest about these things. And I'll I'll give you reasons **[22:24]** to think this. I'm going to show some what I would consider to be total deception from Chris Valatin uh later on. And just so happened in 2020 is when everything came out about Shawn, but it came out behind the scenes and nobody said a freaking word. Chris Valton is one of the heads of Bethl and he is known for his prophetic ministry and he has done many conferences with Shawn BS. So essentially it all came out in 2020 **[22:55]** what he had been doing. Somebody had come and presented a bunch of evidence to Chris Falton and he agreed that it was really bad and fishy and he was fully convinced that Shawn was a fraud. In 2020, they decided to silently distance themselves from Shawn. So, they started to take his books out of the bookstore. They stopped doing conferences with him, but they never said a word to their congregation, which is absolutely outrageous. >> Well, she she's right here. She's correct. That is outrageous. Um, but Bethl knew before that. Uh, I think that **[23:27]** they knew. There's more that they knew in 2020, it seems. Um, but they knew before that about the prophecy stuff. It was in 2016 stuff was even publicly being put online. But nobody believed it because the leaders didn't support it. The leaders didn't actually back up and go, "Hey, let's let's take a look at this. Let's examine these things and let No, they just let him continue." They let him continue. And it seems as though Bethl's actions and everybody's actions since then have only been a reaction to things going public in a way that is meant to create damage control and **[23:58]** self-preservation. So that is the opposite of protecting your people. Sometimes ministries have to make choices between protecting the leaders and protecting those people who they lead. And you always pick the people. Jesus, he showed us how to lead. He laid his life down for the sake of the sheep. and we have to lay our lives down, even our reputations down for the sake of the people that we are tasked to protect and to guard. Um, but they didn't do that. They didn't want their reputations damaged, it seems. So, Jubilee story, just one of the many, **[24:31]** many people that Shawn has lied to, has deceived, has manipulated, and has used his words of knowledge h to to to trick so many people who need to be warned because he he as a supposed prophet, he gave words to thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people, life-changing words. We'll I did a video already about with Elijah Stevens where he talked about his individual story. We went in great detail of his story and how Bethl misled him um and um it it caused him a lot of harm uh PTSD. It caused him **[25:03]** marital issues. It caused him to lose uh their basically their retirement. I imagine what it would be like to lose your retirement because you believe that you're on a task from God that Shawn BS told you to do and so you give you give everything you have to it because you're a genuine guy who really trusts the Lord. But you were lied to. And when you ask Bethl, "Was I lied to?" They dodge you. And they know, but they don't want to tell you. That happened to him. How many people does he represent, though? **[25:38]** Let's talk about BS's history. Okay, this is the part of the video where we're going to dive deep into the history of Shawn BS. We'll show him giving words of of of knowledge to people. You'll get to see what that experience looked like over and over again. And I want to show you the people that propped him up. I'm going to give you the names, give you the the the ministries that lifted him up, who all then just went silent and distanced themselves instead of protecting the people, the people that they put this false prophet in front of. Cuz you better believe if I put a false prophet on my my YouTube channel even, and then found out he was fake, I wouldn't just **[26:08]** delete the video. I would have to put a warning out for the sake of the people who saw it. As much as that would be embarrassing, that's that's what's obvious and necessary. Okay, so Shawn BS's history, the history of Shawn BS. He grew up in signs and wonders circles. He's been part of that movement and part of that stuff for as long as we're aware of. And he was connected to guys like Bob Jones and Paul Kaine and Mike Bickl. He was really connected to these guys. They were all of them false prophets. All of them, in my opinion, false prophets. Now, some people say that the **[26:39]** jury is still out that, you know, best case scenario, Bob Jones, Paul Kane, and Mike Bickl were maybe there was some true gifting that was there from God. Best case scenario in one or two or even three of those situations. But they all used prophecy to sexually manipulate and take advantage of people. All of them. Bob Jones did this to two women I'll tell you about later. Paul Kaine did it to employees where he pushed homosexual relationships onto employees and then would blackmail them and stuff. Um, and **[27:10]** Mike Bickl did this to under even underage women for decades. Recently exposed Mike Bickl. Those are his buddies. That's the circle he got raised up in. He worked with Paul Kane. You wonder what happened between him and Paul Kaine. I think that's a fair question to ask. Uh, Sean obviously needs help, but he also has to be stopped. Um, in 2013 though, Shambles became like the guy. He's not just another Bobby Jones even. He's not another Bickle. He's not another Paul Kane. He **[27:40]** is the new guy. He's the new kind of prophecy guy, right? This this is next level. Nobody has ever been as prolific as Shawn BS is. And he became like the wonder boy, the golden child of the charismatic movement at the time. And he's rising up that and it starts in 2013, right? Yep. There was a the trigger point of 2016, the ISUsa now event, but it started in 2013. And this is the kind of stuff he was doing. Let me let me just play for you some examples. >> Michelle. So I saw Michelle and I saw a friend of mine from Singapore, Lim. Is **[28:11]** that somebody? Michelle Lim. Does that make sense to anybody? >> Are you Michelle Lim? >> That's good. You're here. Thank you, Jesus. Praise the Lord. Do you have a September birthday by chance? >> Yes, September 20th. >> Ah, that's awesome. As we're doing this, is there um I saw the name Judah and I saw Judges Road. Is there a Judah who lives on Judg's Road or where you at? Judah. Okay, this is on the Bethl YouTube channel. This is where I got this from. They've been scrubbing **[28:41]** all their content about Shawn BS. Again, they're deleting and distancing things just recently cuz this is this stuff I found after I started researching this stuff uh early last year. So, yeah, Judah on Judges Road, he does these things. He finds out things about you and then you feel amazed. Imagine you were in the room. Like really imagine it, guys. You're in the room and this guy is pumped up as a prophet from Bethl leadership and then he gets on stage and he calls out your name, knows your address, says that God has a message for you. Thousands and thousands of people he's **[29:12]** done this to. Is this your street you live on? >> This is awesome. Is it Is it somewhere like Louisiana or Texas or something? Texas. This is good. Only God. He knows where you live. Wow. >> Is April 15th something to you? >> My birthday. >> Your birthday. >> Hear that? >> You know? >> See the sign behind him? Young saints. He's doing this to children. Okay. He's doing this to kids. **[29:42]** >> Judah, God knew you would be here with your older brother. I see an older brother. Maybe uh Leon or Ryan. Ryan. >> Ryan. >> I don't know if this makes sense for you. Um, I saw Lewis and Clark July 26th. Does that make sense? >> So Sean likes to take things he learns. This is my belief. Well, I mean it's pretty seems pretty obviously true. Sean takes, you know, stuff he gets from people online, whether it's their address and he'll try to connect their address to like a Bible verse or a psalm or he'll take their last name or their first name and he'll make a connection into something else like abstract and **[30:13]** then he'll use that as the way of prophetically saying, "Oh, I knew that about you." So here he does it with Louiswis and Clark. Her last name was Clark. And um I felt like you got What's July 26th? It's her birthday. Uh my sister's birthday is in November, so I'm thinking maybe November 27th. There was something. That's your anniversary. I'm glad you knew it. And uh Oh, she's from St. Louis. Oh, that's really interesting. Louis and Clark. There she is. Is there somebody >> more kids stuff here in a second? Uh **[30:44]** now, you might be thinking already, some of you in the audience are going like, "Yeah, Mike, it's obvious this guy's making stuff up. Oh, my sister's birthday is in November, so November 26th or whatever date. It seems obvious to you, but they've the people at Bethl and other churches in the charismatic movement sometimes have been desensitized to discernment. Discernment is the one thing you don't do because discernment kills the momentum of our prophetic movement. Discernment kills our ability to have a revival culture. And it's because I think that the unique thing that Bethl and other some of the **[31:15]** other like flagship bigger charismatic church movements some of the things that they offer make that make them unique that make them stand out amongst all the other charismatics is like wow that's the place where the Holy Spirit's moving like it's I mean it moves in our church but but but but over there he he's he's powerfully moving in at Jesus I image church or at uh at Bethl. I think some of the reasons people believe that is because they're just faking stuff and they've they've smashed down the discernment of their audience so that they've been trained to be very **[31:46]** gullible and receptive and undiscerning. Discernment needs to be brought back into the charismatic church. >> I think your name's Angelina, but you go by like Lena. Where are you? Hey, you guys are all excited. Just half of the bird just gasped and was excited. I love that. How old are you? You're eight. How about um May 3rd? Does that mean something to you? That's her birthday. God knows. >> Does that little girl matter to the Bethl leadership? Why didn't they tell everybody about how Shawn used her? Blasphe God's name. **[32:19]** >> He knows when you've been born. I've never seen you in my entire life that I know of. Do you have two sisters? Is there I saw um a friend of mine, her name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on a road. Does that mean something like it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that you? >> Kelly Rhodess. God knew you'd be here. I didn't, but God did. That's awesome. Hi, Kelly Rhodess. And how you've been like a good daughter to >> So, this is an event called More Love More Power in 2017. BS had already been exposed. The guy trying to expose them had been attacked by Paul Kaine and that **[32:51]** whole thing was shut down. The guy went into like whole crisis situation in his life because without the strength and support of leaders, anybody who tries to expose someone like this just gets beat up. And that has happened too many times. Doris and uh January 27th. That's a day. >> Her mom's name and her mom's address. We'll come back to that one. Doris Rose. That's one of the best examples of what we can show how Shawn got his data. And because of he made a big mistake on that **[33:21]** one. I'll show it later. Here's another child that he's manipulating. >> What's the sixth? Is that the birthday is on the 6th? Yay. This is gone. Um this is a really random question. Is your mom or dad here? Raise your hand, Mom. Is there something? This is I I could ask you too, Maddie, but Pope's head. Does that make sense? What is that? >> I saw the Pope's head. What is that? Oh, it's where you used to live. I Oh, wow. Is there a Yanni and a Ian? **[33:55]** Hello. >> Hi. >> I'm Yiani. My husband Yiani. >> Hi, I'm Ian. Is there something about like >> Isn't it interesting how he'll get names and he doesn't know how to pronounce them? Almost like he was reading them off of something like Facebook. We'll talk more about this. There's a reason why in 2013 that's when his prophetic gift took off. I'm going to give you all the whole story today. It's all kind of going to come out here. >> Um it's either December 11th or May 11th. Is it 11th or 12th? May 11th or 12th? Is **[34:26]** that >> May 12th? my youngest son's birthday. >> Oh, this is good. Do you guys have four kids? >> Yes. >> Is that Do you see how the crowd reacts? Everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, God's giving him these amazing words." Now, it's easy from the perspective of me introducing this guy as a fake prophet. You're going to receive this differently than than if I had gotten up and said, "Guys, this is amazing. Look at this man of God. The Lord's taking us all into new levels of spiritual depth and pro prosperity and prophecy and healings." **[34:57]** And Sean is a sample of what's to come. If if if that was what I was doing, then you heard this. You would have said woe too. Mo at least a majority of people would. I think what I'm saying here is he could not have done it his own on his own. He had to have been propped up by these trusted charismatic leaders. And when he was exposed, they just went silent basically. >> Is there is there anybody who It was your birthday on my book release day, which is June 13th. Where? Oh, you this **[35:27]** is awesome. Stand up, please. I like you. Of the whole room, we have one of you. Carl Tuttle was here earlier. He's an old friend of mine from the vineyard. And I heard Carl. Is that Is that something to you? >> It's my first name. >> Your name? There we go. >> Carl. Carl. >> I believe you're married. Are you married? >> Yes. >> Oh, she's here. Go ahead and stand up, too. I love that. You guys are awesome. Is it >> now? Probably these are just sincere Christians who love the Lord. They're being manipulated. Uh they're victims. Um, Sean should have been stopped before he ever got to this point where he could say this sort of **[35:57]** thing. I'll give you more reasons to think that, but my heart goes out to them. I I think that the believers inside of Bethl and inside of Jesus image, inside of Morning Star and inside of IHOP, the various churches, there's so many people represented by them, as well as the people that that these groups influence around the world. I think that the normal believers in the pews would basically be on the same page as me if they only knew what was going on behind the scenes. And so this is for you guys. Our name is her name start with an R. **[36:29]** >> My last name is Rugie. >> It's interesting cuz I'm seeing behind you a woman in heaven. I believe Carl would be your mom. >> She just passed away at 93. I was there when she passed away in Chico. >> Was December 25th significant to her? >> Yes, that's her birthday. >> Oh wow. And you're for Payton. Who's Payton? >> Payton is my uh granddaughter. >> And then I deadended into Lincoln Street. And I was at >> Lincoln Street. And I don't know if 28 is part of the address, too. Does that **[37:00]** make sense? >> Is this your house? Is it 28 like one or 28? >> I just told your address. >> I want us to understand everywhere he went, he's doing this. started in 2013. It's in smaller settings, yes, it's in bigger settings, yes, it takes off later, but started in 2013. There's a really important reason for that, and it's connected to Facebook. And uh I give all credit to Matthew Hartkey for being the one who figured this out, but I got to share it with you guys. **[37:30]** >> I I went to your house in the spirit for a second. >> Is there a a Nelson who has a birthday October 28th and you're from Philly? Is there a Danielle or Daniela from Greenville with a December 5th birthday? >> See, now we're into 2016. This is at the Isusa Now event in 2016 and he is um he is calling people out and everybody's stunned. He was probably the highlight **[38:01]** of the entire event, this one guy. And after this, there's a line out the door to get to his church. He had a church which he's no longer part of. Um I think he might I don't know if he's still getting paid from them or something but he's not like there actually ministering to people as far as I know. Um Expressions Church in LA and every event he goes to is packed out and he's hugely in demand. It was after this moment. This is it's supernatural. It's supernatural is Sid Roth's very significant and influential uh charismatic ministry and he platforms **[38:33]** people. That's what he does. He interviews people. He brings in a prophet. He brings in a healer. He brings in an apostle. He brings in a dreamer. He helped platform uh Brian Simmons and get the Passion translation pushed out there. And he's it's always salesreated. He brings people on and they're always hawking their goods every single time. And it's always a promise that his audience will be taken into new spiritual depths. It's it's a very consistent routine. He interviewed Sean back in 2016. Now it has been deleted. Right. As of January 28th of 2025, a year ago, it was deleted. But I found it **[39:04]** on the way back machine and we can learn some interesting stuff from the things that were said there. Let me move myself a little bit out of the way. Okay. So in this newsletter 2016 September again this is when he takes off. Sean is not only the guy who can speak from God and hear from hear from God but he's the guy who can train you to do it. This becomes Sean's sticktick. Right? This is the salesunnel is prophecy and then I get the people who who I will train on how they will do prophecy and then Sean sells his training courses. So this is **[39:35]** his salesunnel. He still does it today. He still does prophetic training courses. He still sells them on his site. So in this article, everyone can hear God's voice. This is where Shawn BS is going to tell them how they can hear God's voice. Now in him telling them, he's going to talk about how he got his prophetic gift from the Lord. And so let's look at that. He says, "I started getting um let me see if I can manipulate the where this is. Okay. Uh so you can see where it was captured way back machine, right? 2016. Um I started **[40:05]** to get birth dates and anniversary dates. This is where he talks about his upgrade where he went basically I'll say he went from old methods of faking prophecy that were more laborious and you weren't able to get as much information and that's what Paul Kane would do. He went to new methods of faking prophecy which was all about social media. So, I've received many upgrades to my prophetic ability to hear and translate God to the world around me. In 2013, I received one of these upgrades. And with it, God showed me the power of the word of knowledge. He wants us to use his intimate knowledge of **[40:35]** people to demonstrate how he loves them. I started to get birth dates and anniversary dates of strangers, grounding them in the knowledge of God that know that God knows them and cares about what they care about. I began to hear where people went to school and the types of careers they had, right? Almost like it was information on their about tab. I had visions of significant moments in their lives when something good happened and where God had been present. Almost like he was scrolling through people's photographs. These prophetic words brought them into connection, a connection or deeper **[41:06]** connection with God who loves them and is with them. All right. What we're going to see next is genuinely a little bit creepy. Let me see if I can bring it into the screen. During this time, Randy Clark invited me to visit his ministry school. He wanted to go after the prophetic word of knowledge gift specifically, not just for words about healing, but also to demonstrate God's love through prophecy. He received the impartation from me and then stepped out for nearly an hour, getting street addresses, people's children's names, and more. It was uncomfortable for him, but so many **[41:37]** people were encouraged as they watched a great leader try something new at great risk. So this moment with Randy Clark, Randy Clark is a significant name in the charismatic movement. Um, if you get your impartation from a fraud, I think your impartation was fraudulent. So I think Randy Clark should come out and talk about this. And why has he not already? To my knowledge, he hasn't. If he has, I'd like to know it. I'll share it if he has on on social media so **[42:07]** people can see it. But um but yeah, that's something else to consider is there's this interweb of these different guys. They're getting anointings from each other, right? So Todd White's like, "I got my anointing from Kenneth Copeland, right?" And then someone else goes, "I got mine from Todd White." And they're all these are all fake anointings. They're not that's not the Holy Spirit. If you're anointed with something spiritual, it's it's the wrong spirit. So this stuff became the cornerstone of Shawn's ministry. This this became the whole deal, right? When he was if he's teaching, if he's lecturing, it's not that interesting to people. Doesn't get that much attention. But when he does the prophecy thing, **[42:37]** people come out in droves. And so he's given prophecy to thousands of individuals, hundreds of hundreds of thousands of people in crowds. And he begins training other people like he did on the Sid Roth show on how they can learn from God. That's what led to his book that Bill Johnson endorsed and several other people from their ministry endorsed. And I'll read some of those endorsements later on. So he's the guy he's the guy who teaches people how to hear from God in the charismatic movement at this point. And it was it was it was fake. It was fake. **[43:09]** He's fake. It's fake. And it's so sad because there's so many believers. Let me show you this picture again. There's so many believers right here, stunned as Shawn Bulls reads from his cell phone fake words as Bill Johnson endorses him and presents all these people to him because of the trust people have for for Bill. Bill may be the most influential charismatic in the English-speaking world right now and trusted amongst other leaders. **[43:41]** Bill Adusa again introduced Shawn as his closest or most trusted friend. That was that was the introduction. This is my most trusted friend and he hears he hears from God many things right at Bethl reading. That's not the only endorsement he got. Let's look at some more of these endorsements. I had to go get my jacket, put it on, warm up a bit. Okay, so we're going to talk about more of the endorsements. Uh, I think that it's important people realize how widely and how strongly Shawn was endorsed because I think that now a lot of individuals are going to act like it was no big deal **[44:12]** or he wasn't considered like the wonder boy of the charismatic church, the guy who was going to guide us all into the next stage of prophetic anointing so we could be more profound than Pentecost or the apostles ever were. That is actually kind of the stuff people think. I would like to now show you. Okay, there was not only Bill, this is Sean at Bethl. This was on Bethl's not only in their audience, but on their on their bethl.tv streaming service as well as YouTube and wherever else they put it. And this is how Terresa Deadman introduced Shawn BS **[44:43]** to the people of Bethl. >> And this is an amazing time that we're living in. Sean has so many testimonies about the doors that are opening. And so I want you to get on your feet and honor one of the most prophetic creative people I know on the planet. Sean, a good friend of the house. He's amazing. >> One of the most prophetic creative people I know on the planet. She says, "This is actually Terresa Deadmond's clothing line. She sells prophetic **[45:13]** leggings." My fashion designs, I read from her uh product page, "My fashion designs embody the prophetic art they are created from." So they're created from pro she does this prophetic art and then she puts them onto pants. Wearing my art enhances your awareness of God's presence and helps you become a walking encounter of heaven's message to those around you. Also known as baloney sauce. No, it doesn't do that. That's not how it works. You don't put on these special **[45:44]** pants that are prints of artwork from Terresa Deadmond and then it's going to enhance your awareness of God's presence and make you a walking encounter of heaven's message to those around you. >> You're just you're wearing yoga pants. >> She is the one who introduces Shawn to the people at Bethl and does so with their leadership team, with their people all aware of it. Look at this room full of people. This guy's getting on stage and he's **[46:17]** going to share words that he looked up on Facebook. It's reasonable to think that that's exactly what's going to happen right right after this. Sean, one of the most prophetic people on the planet, she says. Now, this isn't a movement that prides itself in having lots and lots of people who prophesy. So, yes, I'm just saying this is a big deal, but it's not even remotely the only one. Who else endorsed Sean? This video is going to be Shawn on the Sid Roth show. Okay, I showed you an article that they pulled. Well, they've pulled the show as well now, too. **[46:47]** Sidroth doesn't want he doesn't want any connection to Shawn anymore because Shawn is now Lepris, right? If if people know how much you endorsed him, then you know, maybe it'll make you look bad. Well, it will. And you did and you do look bad. Sid Roth, there's not a weird wacko that he has not endorsed on his on his uh show. Every charismatic should agree with me on this. Everyone should. >> Sid Roth says that Shawn Bols is the most amazingly detailed prophet he has ever known. He has ministered to thousands from royalty to people on the streets. Now he wants to share with you **[47:18]** the secrets he has learned concerning the gift of prophecy and wants to activate you to do the same as he does. >> It's wonderful that Shawn hears from God so clearly. I am excited that Shawn has this gift. I impart every supernatural spiritual gift I have that's transferable right now over the television to everybody in the studio audience. >> I reject it. Everything you have that's transferable, Sean, is looking people's information up on Facebook and lying to them in God's name. That's transferable. That's easily transferable. Anybody **[47:48]** could do that. It's very simple. Most people just have integrity and wouldn't do it. Sid Roth endorsed him. Sid Roth sold his stuff. Sid Roth always sells people's stuff. It's always a salesunnel every show he has. And Shawn is endorsed. Now imagine you're you believe in Sidroth. You trust this man's discernment. You think he's opening your eyes to see amazing things God is doing. And then imagine him saying nothing when he finds out who Shambles really is. Well, that's what happened. Marilyn Hickey, those who know **[48:18]** the Hickeys know that they go back quite a ways and they've been pretty significant and influential uh more than the average bear inside the charismatic movement. Even though now she's getting, you know, she's pretty up in up in age. But Sean goes on their show. >> We have an amazing guest with us um today. >> We do. We have Shawn Boltz. And I tell you, we really look forward to this guest. We are so thrilled. Oh my goodness. To have Sean Boltz with us today. >> Dude, you are the bomb.com. Holy cow. >> And I love this book, Translating God by **[48:51]** Shawn Bolts. >> Are you ready to be activated? For your gift of $29 or more, we will send you Translating God: Hearing God's Voice for Yourself and the World Around You by internationally known prophet Shawn BS. >> We'll read some stuff out of that book later on. So, he gets endorsed by the Hickeys as well. Um, there's there's other people, too. You you might be surprised to know he was featured on 700 Club. >> Welcome to the 700 Club. >> Author and pastor Shawn BS is also a podcast and TV host. Another topic near **[49:23]** to Shawn's heart. these days is hearing God's voice in the marketplace. >> So, what's Shawn's secret to hearing God's voice? Take a look. Well, Sean joins us now via Skype. Hi, Sean. Welcome to the 700 Club. >> I am so glad to be here. Thanks for inviting me. >> He was very glad to be there. Everyone's learn Everyone's believing that I'm I'm the guy. I'm the guy, man. And he made lots of money off this uh three something million dollar home that actually I have evidence. I I won't put it on screen here. Uh, I'm worried about **[49:54]** doxing stuff, but I have evidence of Shawn having many several homes. Anyways, he was also featured on Fox News, believe it or not. He was on CBN, believe it or not. So, let's look at the CBN one. >> He's a modern-day prophet that can tell you your name, what street you live on, all without you saying a word. We sit down with Shawn BS to learn what he has to say about President Trump and Kanye West. Well, Shawn Bulls is a pioneer in ministry, including the prophetic movement as a pastor, author, producer, **[50:25]** and TV host with a prophetic gift. And Sean, welcome back to the prayer link. >> Hello, ladies. I'm so glad to be here. It's such a privilege. >> You know, with the locusts in Africa, the Corona virus in China, wildfires in Australia, and the current political climate here in the US. Are these signs of the end times? What has God spoken to you about all of that that's going on right now? >> I think things are accelerating. All of this attention he got even brought him onto Fox News and the it says Christian prophet Shambles Lord showed me the end of Corona virus. A word that a prophetic word he gave that **[50:55]** ended up being false. This is what a lot of these guys do is I believe prophetic speculation. They read news reports. They try to get insiders. They figure out what they think is going to happen in the culture or with politics and then they present it like a prophetic word. Um it didn't work out so good this time. He later was embarrassed about this and we'll talk more about that. But yeah, even Fox News is carrying this guy. Wow. This is the rise of Shawn BS, right? This is the part of the Star Wars uh which whichever episode it was where **[51:26]** where the uh where Darth Cidius is is taking control of the Senate, right? That's that's what's happening right here. He is taking control of the Senate. He is engaging in becoming a fixture of this is the guy. And so they're like, "Tell us about Trump, Sean. Tell us about Kanye. Tell us about this and this and this and this." And it's because of the endorsements of all of these people that Shawn was able to get such a foothold. So that so many people believed him and just followed his words even when it messed up their **[51:57]** lives. Some who I have witnesses and I'll share. Others nobody even knows their stories. Okay? They're finding out for the first time as they watch this video cuz it's still coming out. It's still just coming out for a lot of people because the leaders in the charismatic movement won't call it out. We appealed in my video with Elijah Stevens. It was actually Elijah who was close in and connected and part of Bethl Church who appealed to the leaders. Please verify if these things are true about Shawn. Please call him out. Please Chon, call him out. Please, those who know about him, call him out. To my **[52:27]** knowledge, none of them have. Shawn has to be kicked out of he has to be excommunicated out of the body. That's what has to happen. And that has to be a public thing because he was so publicly put up as a prophet. That's the only righteous thing that can be done with him right now. And let me remind you now that Sean himself acknowledges that Bill Johnson opened doors for him and other charismatic leaders platformed him. I'm not saying I didn't have incredible people pour into me. I'm so grateful for Bill and Benny Johnson and what they've opened up for us in our life and Heidi **[52:59]** and Roland Baker. There's people who recognize some things in our lives and they helped Sher and I over the years and even Paul and Denise invited me year after year for over, you know, 13 years. So, he understands that these people were needed and they propped him up and they opened doors for him and they had him speak year after year after year. And so, I'm just trying to show you guys there was a responsibility. There was a responsibility to tell people. Now, let me show you what happens when you don't tell people. This is a very sad uh unfortunate thing that I'm about to share with you. But this is what **[53:29]** happened to one young lady who as far as I know lost her faith and it was very much connected to Shawn BS and not only his fakery but the cover up of his fakery by leaders who knew better. I just type in Sean B's allegations and all of this information starts coming up of all these people that are proving that he got he mined all of his information from social media and >> he would know who's who who would be in the crowd when he **[54:00]** >> because you register for conferences. >> They're paid conferences. You register. Oh, so he would get the list of attendees, mine information, and then cold act like he was cold revealing information. >> Yeah. And it's like very much like a cold like that. It's like tales time, swindler's tricks, but like again, I believe and I feel so dumb now, but I'm like I was primed for that. There's no way I could have not thought that that was real. >> I want you to remember that she said **[54:30]** that forever. I was primed for that. It wasn't Shawn Bulls that primed her for that. It was her overall charismatic community that killed the gift of discernment and really wanted to seek revival to the point where they would tolerate stuff that wasn't real. It wasn't real. The toleration of the fake is the undermining of the real. But the charismatic church has grown to think of it as hamburger helper. That it actually assists us to tolerate a significant amount of fakery. But actually what it does is it creates shambles and it creates situations like this young lady **[55:01]** right here who unfortunately I think ended up leaving the faith or turning from Christ. Um and I hope and pray that that that that's only part of her story in the long run. But you you can understand where she comes from cuz if that's what her experience that was pretty crazy to to realize this. >> I've seen a lot of fake but I've seen a lot of real. The real's worth it. I will allow the fake. I don't want the fake on the platform because I I don't want to promote the fake, but I'll allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine. I've had people say that over the years, you know, they said, you know, you know, I've had students, you **[55:32]** know, some of this seems fake. I go, it is. They go, what? I go, most of it's fake. Go, what do you mean? I said, I've been watching this 40 years. Most places that I've been, the majority of the manifestations are not caused by the Holy Spirit. They go, really? But I said, but the problem is it's not all fake and the genuine is in our midst. and I will allow a whole lot of Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine take place. I said, "I won't promote it, but I will allow it because the genuine is so important to the kingdom of God." But that always throws off people if they're young and new at this. They go, "It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go, "Just, **[56:03]** you know, don't be so open-minded your brains fall out. You can understand that the real and the genuine and the fake all exist together in one setting." And it's that way everywhere. There's nothing unique here. It's not any different here than anywhere. It's that way everywhere. I've I've been in revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings in many countries. It's the same. People are people, folk are folk, no matter who, no matter what, no matter where. >> Now, when she talks about her dad, it's even more revealing about what leaders have to do with guys like Sean. >> And so, this is the first time I'm scared to death. I'm shaken cuz it's **[56:35]** like, you know, you know, do not mock God's anointed or whatever, you know. >> Yeah. They're they're also trained that you you you don't ever look into even research something negative about a church leader or something like that. Now, there's yes, the online is a world of gossip and slander and personal attacks that are not deserved. That's true, but frauds are real. Abusers do do exist and you can't have a rule that you have these untouchable elites that have no accountability. >> Oh my gosh. I find it and I um got done **[57:07]** with that. I called my dad and I said, "Hey, um, did you hear about Shawn BS?" And he said, "What did you hear?" >> And so, for reference, this word that he gave us caused a lot of division in our family for years. It was a really um caused some pro like big problems like it was not good. Um, and we had held on to it for a long time. How many families **[57:38]** can say that about Shawn BS? He doesn't care about those people. In reality, his through his actions, he hates them. He hates the ones he's smiling at that he's going, "Wow, oh, God loves you. God sees you." He despises them. That's what his actions are saying is the actions of someone who hates people. How many families like hers? And Sean is not the only one. >> And so I said, "Did you hear that he is a fraud?" and got all of his prophetic **[58:08]** words from social media. And my dad just, "Yep." >> And I'm like, "Dad, why >> you knew? >> Why didn't you tell me?" Like, "How?" I said, "How long have you known?" And he said, "Well, about two years." And I'm like, "Dad, like I said, why didn't you tell me that?" And he said, "Well, >> I just didn't think it would help you at **[58:40]** that time." >> Which like at the time, like I wasn't even like two years ago, like I wasn't even really like struggling that I was just like, "What?" I believe that in the charismatic church amongst these leaders, among guys like Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, uh Rick Joiner, uh Michael Koulianos, um I could name other names. Um I believe that amongst these leaders, Patricia King, they know Sid Roth, um the Crouches, I think that they know about all kinds of guys who are fake. All kinds. If in fact **[59:12]** it isn't true of them as well. And I think that their congregations would make the same face this young lady is making here and go, "You knew. You knew. You knew." And if if everything came out, it would be devastating. Which is why the coverup culture so strong because anybody who becomes an example, it made an, you know, distance yourself from him. Sure. But when you make an example of the guy, when you call him out publicly, you you make yourself vulnerable and everybody else in the movement vulnerable as far as not everybody, but all the leaders who have been faking for years because some of **[59:42]** their heroes are fakers. Paul Kane was a faker. Bob Jones was a figure. Mike Bickle was a figure. William Brandon was a faker. And you go through and you realize, oh my gosh, like were any of these real? There's a book called God's Generals that Bill Johnson has has supported and recommended to people. And it's it's full. I'm not I'm not saying every name on the list, but there's a bunch of names on the list of God's generals who were just frauds, fakers, bad guys. It's systematic in the movement right now. Now, not every charismatic is like this. I want to make this very clear. **[60:13]** There are a lot of good, godly, wonderful charismatics who operate in the gifts of the spirit and who do wonderful things. I'm trying to expose the bad here for the sake of the good. That's what we're trying to do. That is is not as though whoever watching this, you should just leave your charismatic church. No, no, I'm not. I'm not suggesting that. But you need to pull the covers off and assess and say, "What is going on here? Let's have purity. Let's have integrity." So, that girl seems she lost her faith. Now, I'm going to give you an example of one of the one of the best examples of Sean making it up. Like, it's it's the **[60:44]** best example because it's like clear. It seems pretty clear that he made this up and you'll understand. Um, I'll walk you through it. Is there I saw a friend of mine, her name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on a road. Does that mean something like it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that you, Kelly Rhodess? God knew you'd be here. I didn't, but God did. That's awesome. Hi, Kelly Rhodess. I feel like, Kelly, you're like one of those people, **[61:14]** those hidden figures. There's something so special about you, but you've been hidden in it. You're about to be revealed. Like, I feel like your dues about to be paid for how you've supported and helped so many people and how you've been a good daughter to Doris. So, he's he's really going to focus on the mom. He knows more information about the mom than he does about Kelly. So, he knows her name. He knows her birthday. Um, this I feel bad for the lady here. I consider her my sister in Christ being manipulated by this guy. It's **[61:45]** infuriating. Uh, I admit I as I see this, as I watch it, I'm I'm angry at Shawn BS personally. Um, very angry at him. I'm trying to not sin in my anger. I think the anger is appropriate, but I'm angry also at those around him. Again, this is at the More Love, More Power event in 2017. Sean had already been exposed. Um, at least the chance to expose him was there because uh Jason Smemedley had tried to blow the whistle and instead he was attacked by Paul Kaine, the fake prophet pervert who was **[62:15]** predatory towards young people uh young men uh who Mike Mickle delivered to him. It's the craziest stuff in the world these things. And he was he still had a place to even attack like in the movement. He still had some kind of influence to even be able to attack somebody is crazy. I blame the leaders, the current leaders in the charismatic church for the last few generations, the ones in particular that I'm naming. Not all of them. Absolutely not all of them. But I'll tell you what, if there's good leaders there, show yourselves to be good by calling out the ones that you know. You need to now listen in to the most **[62:47]** revealing moment probably of all of the Shawn Bull's videos that I can show you has to do with Doris Rhodess and uh and how how she's like your best friend and and and uh I feel like God just saying that um everything that she prayed for and is prayed for is is gonna still come for the family. And I feel like the Lord's saying you're going to start to see the manifestation of what you prayed for. you're going to start to see the reality. I wrote down January 27th. **[63:20]** That's her birthday. Um, is there is there I saw Psalm 105 over your family and read that later on. But did she or you ever live on a 105 like slaughter house or 105 something or does that make sense? >> For some reason, I saw the word slaughterhouse, but it wasn't bad. Um, I know it's a weird It's a weird I took the risk cuz >> he just tried to call out her address. He got it wrong and now he's trying to recover. >> Everything else felt like it was, you **[63:51]** know, connected to God. But I just just, you know, maybe maybe research that a little bit if it's if if I miss that part, it's not a big deal. >> I just want to remind you guys it was Sean Bulls's idea for us to research that a little bit. And research it we did. Actually, it was Matthew Hartkey who researched this and uh I don't know if anybody before him did or not. He's the first I know of who researched this and posted it online and he showed that there is actually a Doris Rhodess who lives on 105 Slaughterhouse who lives in the same area as the other Doris Rose. **[64:24]** They're in the same area as this this event and everything. Um or or where her Facebook says she lives, excuse me. It's just a different Doris Rose. There's just more than one Tortois Rose in the region who is similar and you know older and all this kind of stuff. 105 Slaughterhouse. That to me is an incredible smoking gun. There is no way on earth that this guy randomly got from the Lord a real address of a real Doris Rhodess that was the wrong Doris Rhodess. **[64:58]** This was just I This is I Googled this. Okay, I googled this as well. This is a screenshot I took. It's not just something that was passed around because I want to double check. I want to make sure I share things that are accurate and true. And if there's anything I get wrong, I'm happy to publicly say, "I'm so sorry I got this wrong and correct it. Um I'm I only want to share the things that I believe are true." And I'm taking some risks to do this, right? I've had to talk to lawyers and things like that, but I'm like, "Guys, I'm going to call this stuff out." And there's no way to do it without risk to myself. Um but uh but there is no way for leaders to stand up and defend those **[65:30]** who are being targeted by bad guys without taking some risks for yourself. So we all need to to step into that stuff. Anyway, Charlotte Gore is the next one we're going to talk about. Charlotte Gore. Um okay, there there's a guy named Chris Gore. He's really significant in Bethl or was for many years. I don't know what he's doing at the moment, but he was at Bethl reading from 2006 for many many years until at least recently. Maybe he's still there. I don't know. He was the director of their healing ministries at Bethl. And his daughter was a very well-known, very disabled young lady, **[66:00]** very well-loved and cared for. And Shawn decided to take her and use her as an example in one of his shtick grifting fake prophecy things because everybody is a tool to this man, it seems. >> Is there a um a Charlotte? >> Hold on. I wanna I want to show you the beginning of that video again. Bethl TV moments. This was hosted on Bethl's uh Bethl's uh Facebook and YouTube and wherever their Bethl.tv stuff is hosted **[66:30]** at. This is one of their videos and it was still present. It was still live until I started asking about it privately. I reached out to Chris Gore and asked him and all of a sudden now the video has disappeared. >> Is there a um a Charlotte with October 7th birthday? Does that make sense to anybody? >> Charlotte Gore just had a birthday. >> Who would Charlotte Gore be? I don't know. Okay, Chris Gore's daughter. Okay, and Chris isn't here. Chris Gore, where is the camera that I'm looking? >> I want to show you a different angle where my face is not blocking because I want you to see that there's there's **[67:01]** Bill Johnson, there's Benny Johnson, there's Danny Silk, probably other leaders here as well. Um, all all there in the room. Um, this is this is of course at Bethl and he's going to now abuse the entire church. looking at. Hi streaming audience, we love you. This is a word for you. And Charlotte Gore, um, I saw the Lord giving you a hope for fullness and your life matters to God in a major way. So there's a healing power of his love for significance and then it **[67:34]** will follow with a full healing. The Lord wants to bring a full healing and your parents' prayers are working. What What am I saying? You guys are excited. I don't know what y'all are. He's clearly prophesying that she's going to be fully healed, which would be obviously the heart's desire of any parent or of her for that matter. I'll show you. She she's she's very very disabled. I'll show you later. I don't want to show her face. I I I don't want to increase any of the negative stuff, but we have to give the the examples. **[68:05]** These are the public examples. I was able to find this. I was able to go through scrubbing through his videos, scrubbing through the videos Bethl has put up of of him and going, "Where is he prophesied? Can I confirm that I found this online?" Um, and I found examples of my own as well. So, this is one of those. Um, I think I'm the I think I'm the first to brought this one up. He's doing this to Bethl leadership. Now, he pretends he doesn't know Chris. You You He's like, "Chris Gore, who's Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I kind of am aware of him." He knows who Chris is. He's been part of Bethl for years at this point. He calls it his mother church. He's He's close **[68:36]** with Bill Johnson. He's Come on, he knows. But he has to pretend ignorance to magnify his glory. >> I'm really excited. So, tell me in Oh, she's in a wheelchair. It's a very disabled. God sees those prayers are working and I know nothing about this family. This is crazy. You know, I have a real prayer in my heart just to be a blessing to Bethl uh the church itself. I feel like God wants to resolve some of the long-term issues in Bethl. And now listen, you've got to understand the the the background of this. Bethl, I'm going to play what he's going to say in a **[69:06]** second, but Bethl has for years been been uh presenting a narrative that they are on a trajectory of ever upward and higher and better with miracles, with healings, with financial prosperity, and with prophecy and all of those things are increasing over the years. Now, they're not really increasing over the years, but that's the narrative. They're always increasing. They're always And then Seawn shows up and he he's there and he's like the guy with these extra prophecies that nobody gets. So it's so it's like he's the sort of the doorway **[69:37]** into that. That's the idea in the movement. That's the idea. Um so this is why I say revival culture can be dangerous because it leaves you vulnerable to the fakers because nobody can have as many miracles as the guy that's faking. So he's going to now take this thing he says about Charlotte Gore. You've been praying for her to be healed for a long long time. Well, now that healing, the full healing is coming. And now he's turning that that claim into a prophecy about Bethl as a whole. you guys are going to be entering into the realm that you've been, you know, heading towards and praying for and talking about where you're going to get all the healings and miracles and all this. **[70:08]** >> You know, I have a real prayer in my heart just to be a blessing to Bethl, uh, the church itself. I feel like God wants to resolve some of the long-term issues in Bethl. And I feel like this is a picture of it like where he wants to come in and resolve things that have been prayed for to give a foundation of faith. The things we're praying for consistently that are always amongst us that seem like they never get resolved that God's going to start doing something with those things. one. I feel like prophet over Charlotte is an example. I don't know the gores at all. I don't think I don't know if I've ever even talked to Chris Gorks over once. So, I don't know anything about his family, but I see three girls. And I feel like this is a picture of the Lord **[70:38]** speaking into something because he's going to start pulling in uh into the full glory the things that have been the most undone that are historic. >> Pulling into full glory is a specific phrase that has meaning uh in that group >> undone. And I feel like this is one of the pictures. So, we bless the situation and ones like it to get resolved in this season. in God. Wow. In Jesus name. Wow. That's so good. Wow. There was some holiness on that. Wow. >> Chris needs to pat himself on the back at the end of it. So, like I said, I reached out to Chris Gore. Um I was like, "Hey, can I talk to you about **[71:09]** this? I believe that he abused you and your daughter and your family." And um I I I guess I didn't grab the clip, but he he also in the same clip, he mentions their dog, Maverick. And the crowd goes like they're shocked cuz they have a dog named Maverick. And he's like, "Oh, wow. Maverick. Yeah, okay. She has like a Maverick little dog." And that was also available online. So, let me show you that this stuff was available online. This is from uh Chris's website, kingdomreleasers.org, or it was I had to use the wayback machine to find this. Uh, but in 2014, this was present, which **[71:39]** means that it would have been accessible easily by uh by anybody who knew Chris's name. You could find his site. It says Chris graduated BSSM and is now working at Bethl in a pastoral overseer role as the director of healing ministries, which he did, it seems, for many years. on his Facebook page, which we have good reason to think Shawn really likes checking Facebook. It's not the only thing he checks. Um Chris Gore had a photo of his family with his three daughters, his disabled daughter, and their dog. And in the photo, it says, **[72:10]** "Our new member to our family has arrived. Our dog Maverick." Then he tags three other family members, it seems, in this. This is something I learned about Sean. Um, I scrubbed through people's Facebook pages trying to figure out like, was Shawn reading? Let me go back to the date of this event, look at their page, what was being posted recently, and it looks to me as though Shawn frequently wouldn't read necessarily people's posts, like weeks or months long posts, but rather he would just click on photos and he would scroll through their photos to **[72:41]** look for connections, individuals, and events like a birthday, a funeral, the the birth of a child, the death of a child, and he would use those things in his prophecy. So here the dog, the child, everything is right there present and it connects perfectly with what Sean said. It was all publicly available. Also, Chris Gore posted this word on his page. Um, he was very excited by this and he says, "I want to post an amazing prophetic word where our daughter Charlotte was called out by name and birth date at the Open Heavens **[73:12]** Conference at Bethl. I really believe this word is for more than just Charlotte." Now he's echoing exactly what Sean said, right? More than just Charlotte. Um, but for the greater body that have stood in faith for healing, for long-term issues. I trust that you are encouraged as you listen and receive this word. And this connects well with Bethl. Bethl has been saying, "We're going to be the place where nobody dies." Yes, they say that we're going to be the place where nobody dies. They joke no one's allowed to die. It was actually Benny Johnson who joked that a few years before she sadly passed from cancer. Um, **[73:43]** so this connects very well with them. He knows his target audience well. I think as much as I have criticism for Bethl leadership and I do think Chris, you should have you should have blown the whistle when you know you have enough influence people would listen to you. People who wouldn't listen to me in your circle would listen to you. But you're also a victim and my heart breaks for you and for your daughter and your family. And I'm so sorry that for who however long after that you guys would be going to church and people are asking about her, checking in on her, praying over her again and again and again and again and again. And I if I was your daughter, I'd be like that. I don't even **[74:14]** want to go to church. I I don't want to be in an environment where everybody's focused on me because of this fake prophecy and everybody keeps hounding me and harassing me. Ultimately, I wouldn't even want to be there. I'd be like, "Can we go somewhere else?" Um, I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm sorry that happened to her. This is Charlotte Gore in 2024. One of the more recent pictures I could show you guys. Um, she's clearly still disabled for those who are like, "But maybe she did get healed." Dude, it's **[74:45]** been years and years. The original video where the prophecy was there, the video, not the event. The video was posted October 15th, 2015. 2015. Um, this is her 9 years later. So, so Charlotte, that word wasn't from the Lord. You didn't do anything wrong. You didn't disappoint God. The people praying for you didn't fail God in some way. The man was just abusing others so he could exalt himself and get glory and money and and power. And it worked for a **[75:15]** good long while. And sadly, the leadership in your own fellowship didn't protect you from him. And even when they found out, when they definitely knew, they still didn't. Um, so yeah, like I said, Bethl has pulled that video. They didn't pull it when Shawn was exposed publicly. They pulled it when I asked privately about it. That's the timeline as I understand it. Let me talk now about usernames. Sean likes to use usernames. >> Never get usernames when I ask God for new information I never get. Keep in **[75:47]** mind that he says he never gets usernames. That's super important. Never gets them. But imagine imagine if you would. A prophet who doesn't know your name, but he knows your Facebook username. Terry Bishop 911. Terry Bishop, you're working on the show and we're getting you. >> That is my uh username. Terry Bishop 911. The Lord says you live in a pleasant place. What does that mean to you? >> I live on Pleasant Hill. >> Come on. That's on Sid Roth show. Uh again, this is that's a pretty significant thing to get invited on Sid Roth. That's a door opener for you. Churches will be calling you. **[76:17]** Conferences will be asking for you after you get on the Sid Roth show. Here's another one. >> And I felt like he said even like someone named Bubba cuz I saw Bubba Gump Shrimp Company. Who is that? Who is Bubba? Like who's Bubba? Is this your Bubba? >> Is that your real Is that your >> Okay, I I enhanced the audio so you can hear the guy a bit. I also put the text on the screen. He's going to go, "Is that your real name, Bubba?" Cuz he doesn't know what the guy's real name is. He just knows all he could see. This is what it looks like. All he could see **[76:47]** was the guy's username online. He wasn't sure if it was real. So, he goes ahead and brings it up himself. >> Your nickname, your family nickname. >> My nickname is my Facebook. >> That's so cute. That's so cute. I think He goes on and on about it being cute. I didn't keep playing it. That's so cute. Chills. Something creepy about that. Anyway, here's another one. Think this is a username or something cuz it's a person's name. So, excuse me if it is a person's name. I'm sorry. L R I C K. **[77:19]** Babsel Rick. >> Hold on. We're about to hear from her. Babsel Rick. Again, Sean doesn't know how to pronounce the names because he's not hearing them. He is probably just reading them off of the internet and he goes, "I want to use this person, right? They tagged they they checked in at the event, something like that." Um, but I uh I I don't know how to pronounce their name and they didn't put their full real name online. So, what did she say? >> Rick. >> Actually, it's Deborah Ellic, but my **[77:50]** husband calls me Babs. So, I >> Babs >> together here and I'm trying to figure this out. never get usernames, but I ask >> Deborah Ellerich, but my husband calls me Babs. Babs Ellich. He didn't even know there was that was two different names. He thought Babsel Babsel Rick was the name. So, another example of him getting usernames, uh, which I think in and of itself is suspicious. Now, we put all the suspicious things together, it's it's definitive. I mean, there's there's no reasonable doubt, no reasonable doubt **[78:20]** that this guy faked it. And there's and I have a lot more to share. So, what I want to do now though is play a video. This is from a friend of mine named Steven Kosar. Now, Steve Kosar has been criticizing uh some of the craziness that's gone on in the charismatic church in particular for quite a while. And he has a bad name because of it cuz your name will get slandered if you do this stuff. And um he tried to raise the alarm about u about Shambles a long time ago. And I want to play a significant portion of of the video from him so that **[78:51]** you guys can see exactly what he was talking about. I think this is pretty significant. This is an awesome analysis. And Steve's going to walk us through some specific specific examples. He'll put up something Sean claims uh into the audience and then he'll show how the thing that was claimed was available publicly on social media. And when you have this happening over and over and over again, and you combine it with one other element, Sean has detailed specific facts about your past and present that are available publicly on on social media. And then combine **[79:23]** that with another fact. Sean has vague vague generalities and prophecies for you about your future. He might tell you what to do with confidence, but he won't tell you what will happen with great confidence. generally speaking. Um, sometimes he does, but it's not the kind of details that he has about the past and present. When you combine specific public info with vague futuristic prophecies, that's a huge red flag. When you do it over and over and over again, it's obvious that the guy's a faker. Let's learn about Dennis. Dennis, who **[79:53]** was targeted, manipulated, and abused by Shambols after Bethl had already had opportunity to find out and correct this man. And I'm looking for a dentist who you're either from the Ukraine or your parents were. >> I just want to point out there's Rodney Howard Brown on stage behind him, Daniel Kinda and Heidi Baker. >> And you moved to America and I think to Washington State or Washington DC >> and and Todd White and others. You'll see. >> Help me out here. Is there Dennis? >> Every single thing that Shawn says comes **[80:26]** directly from the social media accounts of Dennis. This is just a big trick. So here Steve is showing uh the social media page where Dennis talks about the very things that um that Sean is prophesying. >> And you moved to America and I think to Washington state or Washington DC there's a dentist who your parents were from the Ukraine. You moved into America. >> So the Facebook here shows that this info is available. >> Okay, help me out here. Is there a **[80:56]** dentist? We've only done this in stadiums this big a few times. It's a little hard. >> So, my story goes that um my family comes from a Ukrainian background. So, my mom when she was about 16 years old. Anybody who's listening on podcast, uh this is a video that Dennis had on his website, his own testimony video. Now, keep in mind for the Isusa event, people were doing check-ins on Facebook. We'll talk about I'm coming back to Facebook. As soon as we're done with Dennis, we will come back to Facebook and I'll reveal the thing that is very relevant **[81:26]** there. came into the United States and my dad around not too long after that did as well. They didn't know each other and they came and they they got married in the United States and uh I was a second son born into the family. We've only done this in stadiums this big a few times. It's a little hard. We have somebody we thank God thank you Dennis for listening to God and showing up. Is there a screen I can see or I can't even see a screen I guess. Here let me walk way out here and almost fall off the stage. This is good. Dennis, YOU'RE HERE. **[82:02]** GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE him in just a second. You'll see Dennis and um he's there surrounded. Oh, I guess he's on screen. There you go. Right there. Right with his arms up, facing and smiling, surrounded by people wearing similar shirts. >> I can see a little bit. Dennis, the Lord, the Lord himself has been walking with you since you were a little boy. >> We were raised in a um Islamic Pentecostal background. So my whole life um I heard about Jesus. We we went a church. It was something that was always **[82:32]** natural. >> Has been walking with you since you were a little boy and you had a hard time there in the middle because of some of the things that happened. >> And I moved with my my mom and my siblings to the state of Washington. And I was in 8th grade at this time, moved partially throughout the middle of the school year. And uh I went through a lot of hazing. There was a lot of bullying and rejection during that time of my life. and and begin to um start getting into fights and um started getting experimenting with drugs and and smoking and and all those sorts of things. And **[83:03]** not too far down the road at the age of 15, I ended up getting arrested and uh sitting good amount of time in uh in a juvenile system >> and you had a hard time there in the middle because of some of the things that happened. >> So again, this stuff is available on his website. You can find Dennis because he it seems checked into the Isusa now event. He's uh using the hashtag like Isusa now or 16 2016 or something like that and it's all available there. I it's not hard to think that before this **[83:34]** event Sean is sitting there in his hotel room or wherever on his smartphone uh taking some notes from the from the things that he sees. Someone saying can't wait for the next day at the ISUsa now event. And then Sean's searching and looking at and I'll show you in a second. We'll get to the Facebook in a second. So, it's not a coincidence. All these things are too much to be a coincidence. Okay. Sean's a faker. And I'll have more witness testimony from people who used to work with him, work for him, and former employees and others that will be adding to this to tell the **[84:05]** whole story. The whole story today. And you had a hard time there in the middle because of some of the things that happened. And you had a hard time there in the middle because of some of the things that happened. and your family, but it's going to give you the power over divorce. >> At about 13, my my parents start going through a divorce >> and broken families and adoption and foster care. And the Lord is saying he's raising you up that there's something you're called to build of an awakening movement, an awakening movement. >> So on the screen just there, Steve Kosar **[84:37]** put the website that this guy's website is awakening generation. And so Sean weaves that into his prophecy. So the guy's thinking like, "Wow, God really sees me. He knows me. I'm on the right track. He wants me to do this." This is the moment where most likely Dennis is thinking, "I know for sure what my life's mission will be. Maybe I've struggled. Maybe I've doubted it. Maybe I've wondered if it would work. Now I know for sure this is my life's mission. I will do everything that Sean just said I should do." SOMETHING ON the East Coast. I THINK YOU'RE ON THE WEST COAST, but you're going to be on the East Coast. **[85:09]** Apparently, it's happening >> right from Tacoma, Washington. lives in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, >> the East Coast. And it >> that that's what his Facebook says. >> See, like um um Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. And God IS SAYING HE'S AWAKENING SOMETHING IN PENNSYLVANIA AND HE'S CALLING YOU TO LEAD a movement. A movement. Steve writes on the screen here, "This poor guy's getting scammed." 100% true. I feel bad for Dennis. Dennis, uh in fact, it may be that you what you were **[85:40]** already doing is what the Lord would have you do. that may well be um but if you have been fundraising based upon upon this word from shambles you have to stop and that doesn't mean that your ministry is invalid or that your calling is can't be in place but you need to disregard this and know that many many many other people experienced the same thing from Shawn learn from it grow from it move on if you need counseling Dennis reach out to my ministry we will no strings attached we will pay for you to get some counseling from some reliable trustworthy people who help people recover from spiritual abuse **[86:17]** MY DENNIS, THERE YOU ARE. And Dennis, I'll tell you this. I have to face you and face you two ways. I don't know how to do this, but I'm telling you, your your your heritage in Eastern Europe. >> My family comes from a Ukrainian background. >> God is going to send you not only to America, but he's going to send you to North America. He's going to send you to South America, but he's going to commission you. not just send you but commission you over the Ukraine and Eastern Europe and something's gonna happen like you can't even dream. >> So yeah, on the screen more information **[86:48]** from social media that confirms that Sean could easily have just data mined every single thing. >> Dream up. >> Something's going to happen like you can't even dream up. Really? This is supposed to be God talking. A God who apparently can't even be specific. >> He's putting you right now on the highest lampstand that you could shine from. And it's your time, brother. It's your time. just about a year. >> Okay. Now, now he's going to get into a couple other things that I thought would be important to just throw in here. Um **[87:18]** Sean's uh more notable false prophecies uh Corona virus and Trump. >> After this send event where we just saw him using his smartphone, he made this ridiculous pronouncement from God that the Corona virus was about to end. Everything was going to be okay. Even now, several vaccines are coming out. This was in February of 2020. He um made a big deal out of this. Fox News who some or some gullible person at Fox News actually ran with this story. And here he is on the String Report **[87:48]** being interviewed by Steven Strang, the publisher for uh Charisma. >> Uh the String Report and Steven String did damage control for Benny Hinn after I exposed him. And um it was uh it was it was it was bad. It was bad. Um, I actually did an interview with Charisma and somebody inside, the guy who interviewed me was fine, but there was somebody else who was in his ear trying to get him to lay a trap for me by asking me a a loaded question about **[88:19]** Benny Hinn. Soon as I answered it, they put articles out on multiple news websites to try to attack my character. This is just what really happened. Okay, there's the coverup culture is a real thing. Millions won't die. The economy will surge. This was in March of 2020. Also in 2020, he made the prediction that Trump was going to win his second term just like all the other false prophets. Then he apologized for it and said, "Uh, hey, you know, I'm just learning. I'm taking >> uh just for anybody who's like, well, I think he did win in that initial 2020 election actually." So that's not **[88:52]** relevant to the point we're making here. So he said Trump would have two consecutive terms that in in 2020 he would be the president for the next four years in office, right? And that didn't happen. And so whether you thought the election was stolen or not is not relevant to this particular issue. He said it would happen and it didn't. So he was wrong um about a big prophecy. There was so many of the guys that were wrong about Trump that year that it was it was like the Lord was exposing the fake pro prophetic in the charismatic movement. Sadly, it didn't seem to have made that much of a difference yet. **[89:23]** >> Risks. I'm just trying this thing out. That's not how prophets work in the Bible. It was actually at the same event that Shawn prophesied over Daniel Kinda. Uh this is a video that's still up on YouTube called Shawn BS prophesying over Daniel Kinda at the sin 2019. Here you've got uh Bill Johnson, Lou Angel, you've got Todd White, you have Daniel Kinda, you got Michael Koulanos, you have a bunch of different people here on stage. Um this is big. This is 2019 now. They Bethl already had information 2015, 2016, 2017. They still put them up and **[89:54]** did this. And the thing is for someone like Daniel Kinda to have this moment where BS calls him out and he's like, "God's giving you a special upgrade to your anointing and d and you don't want this guy to be exposed potentially because it makes it makes you look like there's something not not right because you're like getting anointings from these guys." And so there can be this sort of mutual dependency where these guys give each other prophetic words and then it's hard for them to expose one another. >> So where's Daniel? Janet Flynn, come up here real fast, brother. But I will say **[90:26]** this. I felt like God I I kept seeing it over and over and over, and I felt like I was supposed to do it in front of everybody because I feel like you represent someone who's having a fresh commissioning from God. Behold, I do a new thing through you. And it's going to involve properties all over the world that will be disciplehip places. And I'm telling you, the roots of what you've inspired will now go deeply in the lands because there's a property anointing along with a ministry of evangelism and crusades, a property anointing. Okay, so now we come to 2013. Why 2013? Why is **[90:58]** that the time when his prophetic gift took off when all of a sudden he's not just normal prophetic grifting like Paul Kaine would, he's next level prophetic grifting like Shawn BS does. Um it's the same time as Facebook introduced remember social media is not that old really. Facebook introduced a new feature called graph search. It's get it gets put in place the beta of it is announced January 15th 2013 and now you can search you can check hashtags and you can search for people's names. You can connect relationships. Before you **[91:30]** would go on Facebook and just sort of hope it connected you to people you know that were in your area or that you you know also went to the same school as you or something. He just would go and hope it would make a connection. Now you can search. That's what happened in 2013. When he says to Sid Roth in the article, he says on Sid Roth's program that it was 2013 get he got his prophetic upgrade. That was just the year that Facebook became searchable. That's all it was. It was so obvious. That's why Steve Kosar knew it. That's why Matthew Hartkey knew **[92:00]** it. In 2021, he posted on X a bunch of evidence about this. And that that's why even in 2017 you even had public articles. Do you guys I this will this will surprise you but here's a public article that was available in 2017. Let me put it on your screen. Shawn BS exposing a fraudulent charismatic prophet by Stuart James Felker May 17th at 2017 last time it was updated. It talks about the ISUsa street event the big ISUsa street event. It goes through **[92:32]** the specific issues of how this is known as hot reading and then there's cold reading and what who ultimately Sean did. They got videos of it. They talk about it in detail. The stuff was all there. The evidence was right there. Why did nobody listen when this article came out? I think the answer is easy because it is the the people don't have the power to hold leaders accountable in the movement. It would only matter if a fellow leader would hold him accountable. That's the only time it would matter. You can check out this article if you want. I give you the name of it. it would be easy to find. Again, it was even earlier than that. April of **[93:04]** 2016, I've seen screenshots of Facebook conversations people are having April of 2016 about Shambles data mining people's information off the internet. People had the info. They just let it happen. Anyways, the leaders didn't stop it. There was one guy who tried to call it out. His name is Jason Smmedley, and he started recording back in 2015, recording uh things that Shawn was saying and then comparing them with social media. He received a lot of criticism from the people around him until finally Paul Kaine of all people reached out to Jason Smmeley and gave him a hard time. Um I think I have a **[93:36]** clip. I guess I'll share that with you guys a bit later. We'll talk about Jason Smmedley more uh when the time comes. So people knew they had the info. They didn't they didn't do anything about it. And I honestly don't think that that was the first time it came up was 2015. I don't think that's the first time people realized something was wrong with Shawn or the grift was going on. I honestly believe that Bethl knows there's a whole bunch of fake stuff going on and they're just okay with it. There are reasons why they think it's okay, it's acceptable, it's it's serving some greater good or it's serving some other not greater **[94:06]** benefit. I don't know what the reasons are, but I I do think that they're aware of this stuff. It was actually 2006 when uh Bill said of according to a witness of mine said that Shawn was his spiritual son. His spiritual son. Now later they'll claim they have no authority over Shawn, but Shawn was going around according to a former employee saying that Bethl was quote his mother church, his mother church. Now when time came to hold him accountable, you'll see the text messages later. Chris Valatin goes, "Well, we have no authority over him, so **[94:37]** you know, oh well." And then Shayon's like, "Ah, I don't really have authority over him." Patricia King's like, "I don't really have authority over him." And every nobody's around to help when the time comes. But all this to say, Bill Johnson for sure was aware of the prophecy issues and the sexual harassment issues in 2023 when he made the video on TBN on TBN where he endorsed Shawn. Not only endorsed his book, Translating God, but endorsed his character, the character of the man. In fact, let me read you one line from Bill Johnson's forward to the book, which he **[95:08]** obviously still stood behind in 2023. He said about Shawn, "The time for the authentic has come." H yeah, right here in this in his forward to the book, the time for the authentic has come. Uh there's more. There's a lot more actually. Now, TBN TBN had uh Sean hosted hosting a show for on TBN long after the evidence had come out uh in internally where you know all the circles of of of special important people knew about it. But TBN when it **[95:38]** went public, they just quietly scrubbed the data off the internet. They got rid of all of his shows. He had a show on a network and it was just disappeared without announcement because when the leaders know about it, nothing happens. But when you know about it, public knows about it, then they hide. So this video I'm going to show you here, I actually took this gosh it was like last year, February or something like that. Um it was it was quite a while ago and it was just when things started going public because minor prophets went out and made their **[96:10]** video where they were saying, "Hey guys, everybody knows um and and nobody's doing anything about it." Um and this but this is before the witnesses came forward. I have more information. I have stuff that nobody's heard before that I'll be sharing with you guys today. So anyways, this is what TBN did. All right. I've been looking into uh Shawn Bull's stuff. This is his search results on TBN. TBN, which previously had um a video of Shambles and Bill Johnson, which has just been scrubbed from their site. It's gone now. The link doesn't work. I think I've already showed you guys that at this point in my video if I did what I plan to do. But **[96:42]** when I click on these other videos where Shawn Bulls shows up, you actually go to them. Okay, that looks like it works. There he is. Shawn BS. It's his his show, I believe. Translating God with Shawn BS. That's his show. When I click to watch them, just says technical difficulties. If I do this with another video, this is him and Chayon who's in our prophet guy uh apostle supposedly. And same issue, technical difficulties. If I **[97:14]** click the next one, let's just it'll go down here to this one. Engaging a culture open link, a new tab. Here it is. Looks like it should be there. The placeholder is there. The video is cycling. Oh, apologies. Technical difficulties, it says. Um, you guys see me sometimes I wear hats. Anyways, this this is uh part of what's going on is a a what looks like TBN scrubbing Shawn BS from their **[97:44]** website. Um there should be if this is the case, if he needs to be screwed from their sight because he is a false prophet who's been misleading and deceiving people and causing harm and well then they should publicly come out and say it. That's the responsible thing to do. That's the biblical thing to do. That's the Christian thing to do. I don't think they will do this. It looks to me like it's more of the same. Protect protect the movement. Protect the self. Protect cover up. But don't warn the people who they misled by putting this content on their site in **[98:16]** the first place. So the people who I especially think are accountable for dealing with Shawn are those who platformed him. They have to deal with him. The people who are actually dealing with him are people who never platformed him whose hearts just break for the victims and who are saying this has to be dealt with. We care about prophetic integrity. And more and more charismatic people are making making noise about it and I'm proud of you guys and I'm thankful that you are. Um, that's a good thing. But I want those leaders, I hope they watch this video. I I doubt it. I doubt Chris Boutton would **[98:46]** watch this video. I doubt he would give it the time of day. Um, but I hope that they will because what I want you to see next is I want you to see this. This is Jubilee Dawn. She's going to talk about how healing it was for her when people finally exposed Shawn for who he was and how it blessed her and it meant so much to her for him to be called out. And this is what you do is you you vindicate. You're not just calling people out because you hate Shawn. You're vindicating the people that they hurt. You're bringing healing to where harm was brought. You're you're you're even if if you call out from within your own group, you're even **[99:18]** bringing purity and integrity back into your group. But Bethl did none of those things. >> The person who reached out to me said um that he hoped that this was not triggering for me to hear this information, but he thought that I deserve to know. And it is just healing to be honest. It's so much closure. It is what 24 25-year-old me needed to hear was that I didn't need to stay in that marriage and that none of that was real. **[99:50]** So, I love my TikTok community. I'm so thankful. I would have never had the um I don't know just that absolute healing confirmation if it wasn't for this app and the community that I built on here. So I love you guys. Thank you so so much. You have changed my life. >> Bethl could have easily stopped this from happening in the first place. But they could also have easily done something to bring that kind of healing from within the church, right? From believers. They could have brought that **[100:21]** kind of healing to Jubilee and so many others because even as this video goes out, there's new people finding out because even though this stuff's been exposed, it's just that the platforms aren't big enough. What we need is Bill Johnson to make a statement about about Shawn specifically that it's true. It's all true, right? Not the horrible statement that they actually made, which I will be reading later on. Um, but that it's actually true and tell us what you actually know. But they won't do it. It's always damage control. It's a PR. It's it's it's like talking to human resources is dealing with these guys and it's just It's lame and it's abusive to people. **[100:53]** Speaking of abuse, abuse to people, we're going to talk about Sean's sexual deviency. Now, sexual deviency and sexual harassment. And I would I would think it classified as clergy sexual abuse. So, I interviewed three eyewitnesses from Shawn's uh ministry, his former employees. three three eyewitnesses. I'm going to tell their stories and specific detail and this is going to be gross and **[101:25]** it's going to be inappropriate for kids and you're free for you to skip past it if you want. Again, there's timestamps down below. You can just skip right past this section, but I'm going to get into it and we're going to talk about in detail. Um, all three of them reported very significant things. instances of Shawn's uh nudity in unwanted forced nudity in in various scenarios and his self-pleasuring I'll call it um in front of people who were not welcoming it there they they assure me there are at **[101:55]** least 12 victims that they're aware of 12 that they are aware of from people who all were under Sean's influence under his authority in some sense who he did this kind of stuff to and their testimonies span over a decade, well over a 10-year period of time, these three witnesses can attest to. And so this means that we're talking about um stuff that was happening before 2005 and it was happening all the way into the late 201s and by all reasonable expectation is still happening today. I **[102:26]** would I would anticipate. There's no reason to think otherwise because he's lying and deceiving and and and denying. So why would you think that something has suddenly changed and improved? Bill Johnson and Bethl leadership knew about this for nearly five years at least that they knew about these things. Multiple witnesses. Now they mentioned in their letter one witness. It was they knew about more than one actually. Um we'll go through that letter later. So they knew. Now what these guys describe what the three men I spoke with describe is sexually doineering behavior. I would **[102:58]** call it grooming. I think it qualifies and deviency. that is a person who is disqualified from ministry certainly is not a prophet and it's it's sick and dark and but we'll get into it. So long ago Sean would before he was married would have group homes where he would he would be the guy that was in charge of the property like it was his house or he's renting or whatever and then he had a group of young men who would live with him. And so one of these group homes was um in LA and Sean rented this house. It **[103:28]** was about um seven men that lived in the house with him. All young men in their 20s. Shawn was older than all of them. He's 51 now. Um so he was older than all of them. And it was according to one witness, it was quote like a Christian frat house. That was kind of what it was like. And also quote, Shawn was always trying to get us naked. That's a theme with Shawn. Shawn has a voyeristic desire to be seen naked. It seems from multiple witnesses. And I'm as a Christian, I'm supposed to take the **[103:59]** consistent testimony of multiple witnesses, which doesn't have any like red flags of of of being false or something like that. Um, and then it seemed then they're confirming one another. And anyway, I I got so I I got more than three actually witnesses I can share. You'll see. It's all coming. All right. So, uh, they say Shawn was always trying to get us naked. Uh, Shawn would send uh pictures of his private parts to guys. He'd send photos and he tried to create a culture where that was normalized. One thing Sean does is he wants to bring people other people **[104:30]** it seems to his level of sexual depravity. So he's trying to create an environment where that stuff is normalized. He often uh talked about the size of his self and he would talk about it being larger than the other men's. Um and then he would use this in a sort of a doineering fashion. It seems the guys had conversations about Shawn. This is back. We're talking many years ago. They would have open conversations about Shawn. Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's gay. I don't know. Some things he does. Maybe **[105:01]** he's gay. But it was confusing to them because he would talk about sexual purity all the time. Now, Sham would claim he was a virgin. He was not married until he was a older guy and he was single at this time and he said he was a virgin. And he would say things like, "If anybody on the team is caught using pornography, then they're kicked out of the ministry." He would say this, right? But this was confusing because then he would display himself and do other things. We'll get into that in a minute, more of that in a minute. Um, about the self-pleasuring stuff. And so, **[105:31]** they were confused. And of course, it's confusing. You're you're with a a a sick, demonically controlled pervert. That that I don't know another way to call it. You're certainly not controlled by the Holy Spirit when you're getting up and speaking in God's name, doing these things. Anyways, this one witness I spoke to, he found he was told by, "Hey, go get my phone or whatever." He he grabs Sean's phone and he sees gay pornography on the phone. This shocked him and he showed it to **[106:02]** another guy so that the two of them could go and confront Shawn. Hey, what is the deal with this? We found this on your phone. Now, Shawn's own standards are very high, verbally at least. And so they they came and asked him, "What is the deal here?" Sean's response, according to him, was it was a joke. I that he deliberately looked up gay pornography, left it on his phone visible so that this guy would find it as a way of messing with him. Do you believe that? I don't believe that. **[106:34]** Prior to this, this is this is in the LA home that he had with seven guys. Prior to this, I'm told that Sean had another group home in Alabama where three guys lived. This is even further in the past before I have access to uh those people or those individuals. Um, one witness from a more recent much more recent time, again, I told you this spans from 2005 to the late 201s. Um, so one from a more recent time said that uh Sean would regularly go to Kore a Korean spa, a specific Korean spa in LA, and he would **[107:04]** walk around there naked. He just walk around there naked. He was always trying to get the other guys to join him at the spa. Some of those watching this video, Sean has done this to you. Um, and if you need uh counseling or if you know need to talk to uh somebody, that's good, man. You can recover from this. You can get over this. You can overcome this and you'll be stronger for it in the end. And um there's help for you. So, you can reach out to my my ministry. I'm not offering to pay for counseling for every random person that watches this video, but if you're a victim of shambles and you reach out, we want to **[107:35]** help you out. Okay? no strings attached. Um there's so much more. So the things that these guys described, these witnesses, and in full agreement with each other, um and and separately, I've interviewed them separately. Um and there's there's corresponding details. So the things that they described reveal a pattern of Shawn's grooming, sexual doineering, and unwanted sexual harassment. Let me give some examples. One of the men on his uh first trip with Shawn, he had been **[108:06]** warned prior to the trip uh that Shawn likes to be naked in the hotel room. Now, he he he thought it was a joke. He thought the guy was telling a joke, and he goes, you know, is there anything I need to know about Shawn? He goes, "Well, you know, he likes to be naked in the hotel room." He was like, "Okay." Uh he thought he was joking. Was not true. Uh it was not true that it was a joke. It was it was just a fact. So, when they get to the hotel room, within minutes, Shawn just strips his clothes off. And this becomes part of a pattern of trapped conditions. Shawn in conditions **[108:36]** where people are trapped, they're stuck with him. That's when he takes advantage. So, he pulls his clothes off and he's just walking around naked. Um, then things got worse. And I'll walk through the timeline of this a little bit more later, but he at one point woke up to uh to Shawn uh pleasuring himself and then he then Seawn just started doing it all the time. All the time. And it was in these trap conditions. They're traveling. They're in a hotel room. They're in a one of them he's in a car when it happens. Uh I'll I'll talk about that. **[109:07]** This is the pattern with him ongoing continual repeated pattern for many years of doing this these sort of things. with guys in trapped conditions without consent. Now, consent wouldn't make it okay. It would still be morally wrong. But it is different when you take away consent. You go, you're you're you're his boss. You're his spiritual leader. You're the guy who's footing the bill and you're doing this. **[109:39]** One time one of the guys very boldly said cuz he was upset about it and he Sean was again naked on the top of the covers of his bed and he was doing this stuff to himself and he says if you're going to do that go into the stinking bathroom although he didn't say stinking. And Sean replied, "You go to the bathroom if you don't like it. I'm paying for the room and travel." One of the gentlemen um who was back then experiencing these things uh actually took a video of Shawn doing this **[110:10]** not as a way of delighting in it but probably as a way of I'm guessing to try to get control of his life cuz it's it's it's oppressive. It's oppressive. It's doineering and oppressive for him to do this to them. This is in my opinion it's sexually abusive. Um, so he takes this video of it and then just shows it to another another one of the guys in the group and um he's like like as a way of saying look at this is so wrong and disgusting. Now some of you are thinking I don't understand how this could happen. Like if if you've never **[110:40]** been in an environment of like say a really toxic home, a really bad scenario, really unhealthy relationships, then yeah, it makes you don't understand how this could happen because you've never seen it happen before. But this stuff happens all the time and um and it usually takes people a long time to get out of it and then to sort of um detoxify from the environment where they start to realize how the how they were brought through a deliberate path. I'll talk about the pathway that Sean uses through a deliberate path to get them to the place where they were vulnerable enough where someone could do this to them. And um and it it it is **[111:13]** understandable. Anyways, Shawn would give justifications. Um, according to the witnesses, he would say things like, "I'm a prophet. I need release." So, this is why he can pleasure himself in front of other people without their consent is partly because he is a prophet. He needs release. Now, I want you to think about what it means to tie your prophetic, supposed prophetic gifting to your disgusting, sexually perverted behaviors. What does that mean about your soul? What does that mean about the nature of this guy? **[111:47]** about him exposing himself. He said that was quote normal stuff that happened between guys in locker rooms. That was what I've been told. That he would use the locker room excuse as a regular way of sort of deferring, you know, like, oh, that's just normal, but I exposing myself. That's normal locker room stuff, guys. I don't think that is normal locker room stuff, guys. But I also think that Shawn is not a locker room guy in the first place. Take a look at the guy. He's not exactly been in a lot of locker rooms doing a lot of sports things. He likes **[112:18]** to surround himself. He has a type of of of guys he likes. He likes young athletic guys to be serving alongside of him. That's true. But he has not been the athletic guy. He just likes them. He would tell people who confronted him that they were being religious. He actually tried to convince one of my witnesses that something was wrong with him because he was bothered by Shawn's behavior. Well, you're religious. You're too bound up by religion. of spirit of religion. That's why you don't want me to be fondling myself. You don't want me to be doing the these things that I'm **[112:51]** doing in front of you. Now, I want to talk about how it impacted one of my witnesses cuz this has been a consistent story I've heard. It led him to suicidal ideiation and eventually PTSD episodes while there. He received a lot of counseling um and has improved a lot. But even this video is something that is is going to be challenging for him to deal with and he's he's working through it. and I had to make sure, are you sure you're okay with me sharing these things? I don't want to do anything that's going to bring harm to you. And um hopefully it's part of his healing because finally people are going to know the truth. Something he tried to make **[113:23]** happen, but um but it didn't happen because Sean's board wouldn't listen because the leadership at Bethl and other uh individuals would not listen. They wouldn't do anything to stop him. They would just distance themselves from him and tell others, "Oo, watch out for Seawn. There's witnesses in the wings ready to come forward. you wouldn't want to be around him. That's that's the message that I think went out. That's how I think it really went. So, a common thing among guys I talk to is these like suicidal ideiation or or just PTSD or **[113:53]** basically they experienced a lot of nasty sick trauma from a guy who was supposed to be a prophetic leader. A different witness. Let me tell you about a different guy's story. Uh Sean got in the backseat of the car all of a sudden with this employee and just started doing his thing, pleasing himself, right? I don't want to give more details. You know what that means? He was he was in the backseat of the car all of a sudden just climbs back there and just does this with him right there in the front **[114:23]** without without permission or consent or something like that. Again, consent doesn't make it okay, but but it makes it even worse to not have it. and he knew that this this young man at the time he was he was a victim of prior sexual abuse and Shawn knew this about the man. You will find that a target person for somebody who is exhibiting the behaviors that we're hearing about that Shawn we're hearing Shawn exhibited. Those kinds of people tend to target those who suffered abuse in the past because they're sort of more ready for it in the future. That's the sad **[114:55]** reality is that a someone who who abuses their child very often leads to that say it's a girl leads to that girl marrying an abusive man. They're primed for certain behaviors and certain relational dynamics and so they target them. This is not a surprise because Paul Kaine, one of Shawn Bull's mentors and a guy who sought to protect Shawn when people were trying to expose him earlier um who has since died. Uh thankfully he's not around to protect Shawn now. Paul Kaine would do this with his **[115:25]** interns. He would hire multiple interns who were former homosexuals and then bring them in and then they're repentant. They need guidance. They need spiritual leadership. But he would groom them and stuff that's already been public that's been been public for a while now about Paul Kane, one of the supposed Kansas City prophets connected to Mike Bickl and all this who had a hand in protecting Shawn and keeping him from getting exposed even earlier. So Shawn does this in the trapped back seat trapped car situation where he's driving and boom, he just does this all **[115:56]** of a sudden. Then it was in hotel rooms. Um then when he's challenged, he mocks the person challenging him, this employee who challenges him. He mocks him. He breaks him down. He talks about how he's the man of God and he's the prophet and he's tearing down the walls systematically in this person's life to make it more normal. Shawn would insinuate himself in their lives so that they feel like he's involved in every part of their life. Every decision they make, they have to talk to Shawn about it. They have to get his wisdom and his guidance on everything. He's like a mentor. He's also an employer. He's like their best friend. He's also their **[116:27]** landlord. This this incredible like cultlike in connection that he has with people and then connects it to these intimate perverse things. And then if you don't like it, he shames you and he spiritually berates you over it. Another thing this particular witness told me is Sean, I'll just read what he said, loved to whip his thing out and show it to everybody. This is an assertion of dominance. That **[116:58]** that's what this is. This is an I believe this anyways is an assertion of dominance. This is about power and man Sean must like power. The power of being in a room and having the being the man of God who gets the word of God, the best prophet of our day. That you must like that power. The power of stripping down and exposing yourself and forcing that on other people. I think maybe that that feels good in some disgusting way to him. And so, let me talk to you about how he progresses. **[117:28]** I think it's calculated. I think it's intentional. And after being a a DV domestic violence counselor for years, um there's often progression when people get others into these really unhealthy like deeply wicked relationships. Um it doesn't just go straight to it. Usually typically it's a it's a long slow process to get somebody into the place where they are um they're exposed to those things. For instance, you don't know that Sean's going to do this to you until after you're already hired, after you've already got a paycheck coming in, after you're already in a hotel room and **[117:59]** you're already trapped and you've and you've already come to think of him as this as this uh man of God, you know, then it happens. And that environment makes it difficult for you to do something about it. It's not impossible, but it makes it harder. Okay, so here's the progression. first trip, hotel room trip, within a minute of stepping into the room, Sean is completely nude, walking around completely nude. From then on, it was going to be prolonged nudity. He would be nude for hours and in the room, just anytime he's in the room, he is not wearing clothes. That was the normal **[118:30]** thing that was going on at the time. He would also then ask for massages while he was not wearing clothes in the hotel room. Can you give a massage? Oh, my back hurts. Oh, give me a massage, man. Come on, man. Come on, dude. I'm not comfortable touching you with your W. your religious spirit. You know, you need you need to let go of that religious spirit. Whatever it was, this kind of thing was going on. One time in particular, I'm sorry to even say this stuff out loud. Um Sean was aroused physically standing over this **[119:02]** person near him. Uh and he was near him and wagging and saying, "Why won't you look at it? Why won't you look at it? Look at it. Do you see the progression? They're pushing it, pushing it, pushing it. Now, when the guy doesn't look, he goes, "Oh, I'm shaming you. You're not looking because you have this problem. You're not looking because you have that character issue or that fear or that insecurity, and that's the reason why you don't want to look at me." Let me talk about multiple uh moments of the um self-pleasuring. Okay. So, **[119:36]** first time in a in a hotel room at 3:00 in the morning, he this this witness believes Shawn purposely woke him up and Shawn is there uh doing his thing. Um, also Shawn warns him around the same time he says, "Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night jerking off." That that's what he tells the guy. So, this is him probably trying to cover his bases, cover his tracks, right? He This is obviously not an accident. and he's not sleepwalking. This is something he's doing deliberately. Um, second **[120:07]** time, second time now he's in London. In London, Shawn is doing an event called God Secrets in London. And somehow, uh, Shawn got them into the honeymoon suite at this hotel. They don't get a normal room. They get the honeymoon suite, him and his employee. And the honeymoon suite has a clear glass shower. And the guy's uncomfortable with this because he's obvious for obvious reasons, right? So, he actually showers in his shorts. He's that uncomfortable with the things that are going on. And **[120:38]** they're together in the room the next morning. And now it's not wake up in the middle of the night. Oh, I sometimes do that. I wake up. He just asks the guy openly right there as they're hanging out in the morning. Morning is Sean's time for this stuff. He says, "Do you care?" Sean asks him, "Do you care if I jerk off?" The guy does not give permission. Sean just does it anyways all the way everything again he's doing a conference called God secrets in London the third time I want to show the **[121:10]** progression here from nudity to engaged nudity to physical stuff we say oh it was sleepwalking to then um asking permission to finally next time he doesn't ask he just starts it's in the morning he's on his bed not wearing any clothes on top of the covers and just goes for it. This led to for this gentleman, depression, trauma, suicidal ideiation, different guy we're talking about here, counseling, long recovery. Again, if you're one of Sean's victims, **[121:40]** please reach out to to my ministry, biblethinker.org, and we will help you out. Um, and I I a warning has to go out to Sean's current team members, the people that are working with him now, the people that are around him now. He's obviously a very dangerous man. He probably should be brought up on charges. I'm not I'm not the law. I don't have that kind of power and I'm not the witness, but I I can warn the church. Hey guys, this is editing Mike coming in here. Sorry for this attire. Um, here's the thing. I was editing the video just now. Um, and I noticed that I didn't mention something that I thought I did talk about, which is that one of **[122:11]** the three former employees told me that the progression actually went to the point where in his case, uh, Shawn was doing this every every morning. like whenever they were traveling every morning he would wake up in the room with John and he'd be nude and he'd be performing to completion the perverse act. This was constant uh continual and who knows where the progression would have gone um had any of these guys been you know open to it. We just don't know **[122:42]** the answer to that question and it does need to be brought up and that this does need to be pursued. This is insane this stuff. I I I hope that somehow the ball gets rolling forward after this video to bring more accountability to Shawn. Now, there's more that all three of these people confirmed and some of those things were Shawn as a big fat liar. All three of them confirmed that that he was known as a guy who was dishonest and untruthful as opposed to Bill Johnson who says one of our most trusted **[123:13]** friends. I was told Sean often exaggerated stories. Again, this is an over 10-year period of time these people represent. He says 10 people would profess faith and Shawn would later tell a crowd that a hundred people did. When he was confronted about this and said, "Hey, Sean, you you you lied to those people." He would just say, "Oh, I got excited. I get excited. I just I get excited." He was well known for exaggerating and lying. Even back in 2008, they called him quote Shawn the Liar. I double **[123:44]** checked with this witness. I was like, "People like actually called him that like a nickname." and he goes, "Yeah, Shawn the Liar. That was the nickname that they had for him." Bethl introduced him to the world as one of our most trusted friends. Another witness, different witness, said that about the fake prophecy stuff that Shawn would ask for the Wi-Fi password when they visited churches that he wanted also wanted access to the backend to find info on those who were attending a Spokane conference that they put on. So, there's a specific memory of a specific conference at at Spokane where **[124:14]** he was like, I want he he he made up a story, it seems, about like, oh, I want to uh see if somebody I know might be attending the conference so I could comp them. Um, and yet to to that person's employees knowledge, nobody was comped. Nobody. And and that didn't happen. Um, right. He just wanted information to the back end, which is an old Paul Kane trick, right? Paul Kane's like, "Can I go look at your church uh uh records?" He says this witness quote he is a profound liar. He gives another example. Says once Shawn played video games all **[124:46]** day and when he went to the conference he was giving words of knowledge to people, right? He gives words and says that he got those words from God while he was in his room. Why does he say he got them in the room? Because he's got them on his smart device and he's got to read off the device. He probably got them like late at night when he's scrolling around looking at the check-ins and checking people's Facebooks and trying to see who's there or maybe checking to see who's signed in. compare the names of the people that signed in and then search for Facebook to see if you can find them. Um, at any rate, he just played video games all day in the hotel room. I'm guessing he was wearing no clothes playing video games **[125:17]** all day in the hotel room. He didn't spend any time seeking the Lord. He didn't spend any time getting words from God, but he told the conference people that he did. That's what the witnesses is testifying. He says also that he never saw Shawn pray. Never. Not on his own. Obviously on stage, sure, uh, but not on his own. never saw Shawn open his Bible. He never saw Shawn do any personal devotion. And I I will quote him now. Never, Mike. Never. There's another witness who says that Shawn was third one here, well known for **[125:49]** ridiculous exaggerations and he made light of it. He would use funds against their designated purposes, which is actually what led to this uh this person quitting. Um, and when it came to the fake prophecy thing, he says regarding one of the testimonies of the other guys because we I shared some of the stuff between the guys and he says, "I know his experience was real even though he's never met the guy." He goes, "Because I saw the same thing in my own experience." And there's more, guys. Now, any one of these individual **[126:19]** things you might not you might not grab. Mike, you have you're not going to tell us the names of these guys? No, I would like you to leave them alone. Um, you guys can, those who want to defend Sean can come at me and leave these guys alone. How's that sound? Um, they don't need to be brought out. I know who they are. I've confirmed them. I've confirmed their stories of multiple sources. And I'm going to share more stuff with you very shortly that will make it even stronger. You'll see. But the thing is, we are as Christians supposed to take the testimony of multiple witnesses as having weight. We have got a hundred witnesses about Shawn. Whether it's from **[126:51]** the video footage that we've got, the evidence, the behind-the-scenes stuff I'm about to share with you for relatively soon here about the charismatic leaders, how they knew that this stuff was real and they believed it and which is why Chris Valatin behind the scenes was like, "Sean can't come to any of our events, even though Bill went publicly and endorsed the man disgustingly, even though TBN continued to have his show up until it was so public that they just quietly removed it and didn't say anything. We're going to we're going to share all that stuff with you guys. It's important that we understand. For you guys, it's **[127:21]** only been seconds, but for me, it has been a couple hours. I just finished interviewing with um another couple who behind the scenes has been mistreated by a ministry. This is not about today's video, though. That's something else. So the bottom line is from the stuff you just saw. Um when I say Bethl knew, what we mean is that Bethl had the awareness of these accusations of the gross stuff that I just talked about in detail about the fake prophecy stuff. Um they had information that gave them the knowledge **[127:52]** of these things, the ability to reasonably know. Like I don't know if they're going to be like, "Well, we didn't know. We weren't really convinced." And you can say this all day long, but the the information was there. You should have been convinced. And they didn't do the right thing. So, it's not just that they thought, well, maybe sometimes he has, you know, cheated a little in the prophetic. Um, which that alone would have been actionable evidence, but it was worse. So, one of my witnesses, **[128:25]** he went to several charismatic leaders years ago, and he did this so that by early 2020, a bunch of them knew about Shawn BS. And they knew about his dis disgusting, gross, perverted, doineering, sexually harassing behaviors. And they went to, let me give some specifics. Uh, they went to Patricia King. Patricia King, who behind the scenes was very supportive and very much like, "I want to help you. I want to help this situation. You know, I **[128:55]** care." Um, she recorded this guy's full story. Like, there's an audio recording of his entire telling of of his whole story. Actually, it's three different recordings. And she recorded this so that she could send it on to Chayon and send it on to Chris Valatin. And so, everybody at this point, it was like everybody was knowing about this stuff. In fact, let me put their pictures up for you as well. Chris Valatin, he knew, okay, with with with my witness, with his approval, she sent the information on to Chris Valatin. He listened to the **[129:27]** recording. He was sent it. And the other major charismatic leader was Cha Shay Chay or Shayon Shay Chay, I think it's Chay, I don't know. Anyways, it was this guy who's running for governor of California right now as we speak. And these guys all knew. They knew about Sean's depravity and they knew about the evidence that he had um faked prophecies and taken advantage of people. These are people who had helped him, who had platformed him or otherwise assisted Shawn to get to where he was. And they knew they heard the recording. They knew **[129:58]** about multiple victims, not just the only one that I'm talking about who was recorded. So Chris Valatin also told Danny Silk, and we have evidence of this in a text message. So, at this point, Chris Valatin starts having a conversation, a correspondence with one of my witnesses, one of the victims, uh, guys who w, you know, he's not forever a victim, but who was victimized by Shawn. Um, that text conversation I'm going to show with you now, I'm going to share with you now. I'm going to put on screen and you're going to see this took place starting in April of 2020, but going all **[130:30]** the way until uh, gosh, is it sometime late 2021 or something like that? We'll we'll I'll show you the dates when we when we get there. But here's the conversation and we're going to walk through it step by step so you guys can understand that even though Bethl more recently implied that they weren't sure that it was all true, there were allegations and duh, um Chris implied on on Instagram recently that it was like uncertain as to whether it was true. You will see through these text messages that that was not his posture in private. In private, he knew it was true. In public, they were doing damage **[131:02]** control and cover up culture. So here my source says, "Hey Chris, I hope you're doing well. Are there any updates with the situation about Shawn? I believe you've received the audio recording of my experience, but I'm wondering what is next again." Patricia King recorded it. I sent it to Jayon. Jayon was like, "Send it over to Chris." Um, I believe you received it. Yeah. What's next? If you prefer to chat briefly on the phone, let me know. Thank you. So few hours later, Chris gets back and says, "April 17th, 2020. I've been aware of the situation for a while. Thank you for **[131:33]** caring. The next day, he says, "We start an investigation into Shawn's ministry. I'll get back to you in a couple months as we find the truth and bring wholeness. Thanks for reaching out to us." The implication now is Chris has the ball. Right? This this this guy went to uh Patricia King, who went to Chayon, who went to Chris Valatin, and now the heavy hitters are getting involved, right? These are like people who can make a difference cuz if this guy just comes out against Sean, he'll just get slandered and that'll be the end of the story, right? which is what happened before to Justin Smmedley who came out **[132:04]** against Shawn, rightly so, and was attacked by Paul Kaine and ended up having weird things happen there. Um, so, okay, heavy hitters are involved. Something good's going to happen. They're obviously taking the ball. Bethl sees themselves as having a place in this investigation. I mean, they're doing an investigation. Certainly, they won't later on say, "We have no authority over Shawn. We have we have no place in this." Right? They wouldn't say that later, would they? Okay. So, some time goes by, June 18th now. Hey, Chris, **[132:35]** it's been a couple months and wondering if there is an update. It would help my heart to know what's going on. Thanks. It's kind of weird that this person was not they weren't the victim. They weren't being Nobody's corresponding with them. No one's staying in touch with them to tell them about the meetings they're having, about the confrontation supposedly they had with Shawn. Uh, so he has to reach out a couple months later. Then Chris responds, "We have met with Shawn on three occasions now. Last Friday, I flew down to meet with him for a few hours. I think we're moving forward, but it's really slow. We've had some very hard **[133:07]** conversations, as I'm sure you can imagine. I would like to give Danny your contact info if that's okay. He would like to reach out to you and see how we can help bring some closure to your situation with Shawn." What they're trying to do right now, I think, is broker uh forgiveness and have Shawn go, "I'm sorry for what I did. How can I make it right?" and for this person to go, "Thank you for acknowledging it. I I forgive you. Here's what I'm asking." Um, that wasn't going to happen because Sean was denying. He was denying that he had done these this sexual harassment stuff. Um, **[133:37]** supposedly it's hypo allegedly hypothetically true that Shawn told somebody that um his lawyer told him he has to lie about it because of the legal ramifications of if it came out and so he has to take it to his grave. allegedly, supposedly, hypothetically, possibly in some plausible world. And so it doesn't happen, right? The next text message is from December. So that that much time goes by without resolution. It's December of 2020. Chris, when are **[134:08]** you going to intervene? Shawn BS has gone 2 years without having to answer for what he did to me. And I keep being passed on like a nuisance. When will he have to answer for the damage he caused to me? And and guys, again, there's over 12 that we're aware of that we could say uh received similar type treatment from Shawn. And um and it just even there's stuff I I know that I can't even tell you guys. Um I've been promised a meeting with Shawn, he says, where he would clean up his **[134:38]** mess, and yet I'm still waiting and now being told Shawn won't give me an adequate apology. Could you imagine if what was done to me had happened to one of your sons or grandsons? how pissed you would be. But yet, restitution hasn't been made, and I'm still pushed to the side like a nuisance. I'm trying to do everything biblically, but growing frustrated. Can you please help? I'm tired of being put off and treated like a nuisance. Does anyone really have my best interest at heart? Sean is doing his thing and not having to answer for what he did to me. Now, this is the this is exactly the kind of thing a a number **[135:09]** of other people I've talked to have gone through because what happens is they go to leaders. Hey, this person mistreated me. this person did this this this um their ministry's got major problems there's financial this there's personal abuse type things they're gone and there's all this stuff right the leader who they go to ex exudes compassion they love bomb them they're like I care I'll pray for you oh yes I want to I want to be in your corner and have your back but whenever it comes time to pull the trigger and do something public they're left on their own and that's exactly **[135:40]** what's going to happen here as you'll see as we read on so the next part of the conversation Chris Valatin responds, "You're going to have to understand that I have no authority over Shawn." Wait, what? What? Patricia King, Chayon, they brought it to you for some reason, right, Chris? You then started an investigation, right? You have no no authority over Sean. I don't know what authority you think you have to have to hold someone accountable who you've brought into your network and you've put on stage and **[136:10]** you've introduced as your most trusted friend. At least Bethl has collectively cuz Bill Johnson, he speaks for you, too. Um, you you have a place to do this. But now he has no authority. So, I have no authority over Sean. He doesn't work for me. He doesn't belong to my organization. And I flew down to meet him and spent the entire day there and flew back. I asked him to clean up his mess. And he's evidently decided not to. We've decided to not have him minister in our network anymore and made it very clear that until he repents, you can't have any influence in anything that we **[136:41]** do. if he worked for me or was licensed through our organization or even had a deeper connection to us. Deeper connection. We'll talk more about the deep connection in a minute. Remember, these are the guys that made Shawn the household name in the Charismatics, you know, in that in that stream. Deeper connection. All you have to do is tweet. Just tweet out publicly, Sean Bulls is a fraud and he is a sexual deviant and everybody needs to be warned about him. You wouldn't have to say anything else and it would have worked. **[137:11]** Anyway, he says, "If you worked for me or was licensed through our our organization or even had a deeper connection to us, I would certainly be able to do more, if you feel you need to sue him, then maybe that's what you should do." Again, I'm not telling you to do that for legal clarity reasons, maybe. I don't know. And I'm just telling you that if you want to take this further, then I would recommend that you do something that light a fire under him. Remember that phrase, lighting a fire under him. I'm very sorry for your pain. I totally understand how you feel. It's just that we have no authority in his life. They have no ability to control Shawn **[137:42]** whatsoever. You're going to find out a lot more uh soon enough. But this is the bail point. The bail point is ah he's not going to listen to us. Well, privately we'll confront will work, but we're not going to publicly do anything. Then Chris, um it appears as though he was sending the me, you know, I said for legal reasons, right? So, it appears as though he took the message he just sent over to my witness and he sent it to somebody, meant to send it to somebody else. So, he copied it and he accidentally pasted it back into the same thread. So, he **[138:14]** says, "This was my response." And then he has the exact same statement again. Uh, but there's more. The response to this came from my witness who says, "Chris, I do understand that you have no authority over Shawn and his ministry. I do. However, that doesn't wash you or Bethl's hands of Shawn. And I'm like, yeah, go guy. I won't use any names here, but uh this is so good what he's about to say. I wouldn't know of Shawn's ministry or know Shawn personally if it wasn't for Shawn speaking at Bethl. I **[138:45]** resigned my job at Bethl and moved to LA thinking Shawn was trustworthy and the real deal because of his influence at Bethl. Or maybe because Bill said, "Our most trusted friend, one of our most trusted friends." Maybe because Teresa Debon introduced him as like one of the greatest prophetic voices on the planet. He says, "I trusted that he that the leadership at Bethl wouldn't allow Shawn to speak if he wasn't trustworthy. Shawn wouldn't have one-third of his following if Bethl had not given him a platform. I **[139:16]** appreciate you and Bethl taking a stand and not allowing Shawn to have influence in your network. What about people that don't hold leadership positions in your network?" Good question. the normal people that follow Shawn because they were introduced to him by Bethl's wide reach and influence and continue to do so because they are aren't aware of what Shawn has done. Will there be a statement from Bethl? Maybe this would light a fire under Shawn. Wouldn't that have been amazing? If I don't know 2017, 2015, 16 there had been a public **[139:46]** statement. I I bet you that would have saved a lot of people a lot of pain and suffering. Will there be a statement from Bethl? Maybe this would light a fire under Shawn. Chris, if you don't mind lighting fires, light one yourself. I know Bethl has been in talks with TBN about having their own channel. Maybe this has happened already. Um, but what about Matt and Lorie Crouch, the TBN people? I highly doubt they would continue to give Shawn influence if they were aware of Bethl's change in relationship with him. Maybe this would light a fire under Shawn. I'm not so sure if that's **[140:18]** entirely true. Uh, he had a a presence. He had a show on TBN up until it was finally, very loudly, very publicly shouted and all of a sudden they disappeared it. Right. Why does Bethl's online store still offer Shawn's resources if Shawn can't have influence? Good question, Chris. I think these are valid questions. If you understand how I feel, you'll understand where I'm They probably think you said coming from or something like that there. So then January 9th, 2021, he says, "I'd appreciate a response to my three questions." **[140:49]** See, because Chris didn't respond to him. On the 18th, he said, "I have no authority over Shawn." Then on December 29th, the reply is, "Hey, here's some questions I have for you. I don't think this absolves you guys. You should take action." Then January 9th, finally, there's another message from the the the witness saying, "I'd appreciate a response to my three questions, Chris. This is now 2021. I don't want to go outside the BETHL stream because I know it will cause damage to Bethl." Now, that is the thing that Bethl cares about. out there like we do not want that. I've spoken to a few sources that **[141:21]** are ready to run with the info if Bethl doesn't do the right thing and warn the body of Christ. And I know it will appear like my situation and the fraudulent words of knowledge are being covered up by Bethl. Is it it does appear that way? It does now. It didn't have to. It does now. I'm trying to do the right thing. In regards to question number one, I don't expect you all to necessarily be specific in your statement, but at least warn the body of Christ about Shawn. I look forward to your response. This is a perfectly modest request and he's saying like if you don't do it, it may come out **[141:52]** without you. Okay. And um they still didn't still didn't do it. Here's the response from Chris. At this point, we don't intend to make a public statement about Shawn. As you pointed out, a public statement wouldn't just hurt Shawn, but the entire prophetic ministry worldwide. It was actually his statement that it would hurt Bethl, as in hurt their reputation because of what it would look like to people. and it will and it's going to do that right now. Um, as it as it has since it came out, since it all started coming out. It's just I'm making **[142:22]** it uh more loud. Um, but Chris's response is that it would hurt the entire prophetic ministry worldwide. That exposing a fake sexual harassing, deviant fake prophet, that that would hurt God's ministry of prophetic work around the world. Really? really delusions of grandeur here or something something weird's going on because that is that is nuts. You know what it will do to the prophetic ministry to expose **[142:52]** the frauds? It will purify it. You know what God did to the prophetic ministry in the time of Jeremiah? He sent Jeremiah out there and he was he was like confront these fake prophets who prophesied dreams that I didn't give them who prophesied the desires of their own hearts as though they're coming from me. And he sent Jeremiah to confront him. Could you imagine like whose side would Chris have been on? Would he be like, "Well, Jeremiah, I don't know if you should do this. you're going to hurt the prophetic ministry worldwide. I don't know. I noticed that Shawn doesn't do words of knowledge anymore. Now, the excuses start to come. We're going to walk through this in detail. I noticed he **[143:25]** claims Shawn doesn't do words of knowledge anymore. That was not true. I also think that he lost his house. At least that's what I heard. Uh he did downsize. That was the phrase Shawn used. He downsized. It seems I don't know if it's true, but it seems like it. I have no relationship with him anymore and I don't want one. I also heard that he has increased his accountability going forward. Remember he says that because I think this is like this is like gobbledegoo corporate speak or something. Um supposedly increased his accountability. I understand that he hasn't cleaned up his mess, but it looks like he's changed his prophetic **[143:55]** ministry. He's changed. This is damage control. Now what Shawn did is Shawn stopped giving these words of knowledge because everybody knew about it. Because every time he did it, they would go on Facebook to prove what he was doing was fake. And it was like the gig is up, you know, as soon as you know how the magician does the trick, he's like, I probably shouldn't keep doing that trick. They all know how I'm doing it. They're like watching the wrong hand and they see the thing I did. So yeah, he stopped doing that in public, but he still gives vague prophetic words constantly. He still gives private prophetic words as I'll **[144:26]** share evidence of that. So he's still manipulating people with prophecy all the time. He goes on and says, "We no longer have a contract with TBN. I haven't seen Matt Crouch in over a year, but I'm not going to take the role of going from ministry to ministry and telling them that Shawn was giving bad prophetic words. Oh, just just tweet it one time, Chris. That's all it takes. I don't have time to do that. I have no desire to call around every time I see Shawn on a new platform. Here's the thing. That's not what the witness asked him to do. What he asked him to do was to make a public statement because then it would just go wildfire. It would take care of itself. If Bethl made a public **[144:57]** statement that was intended to be public, it wasn't just to staff and it wasn't just to Bethl alumni and it wasn't just to like some small. It was rather here's Bethl as a as a church that has worldwide impact that has lifted up this guy for the world to be a prophet. Here's us saying we're sorry. We have found out that he has a fraudulent ministry and everyone who's had a word from him, you need to you need to test it again. He's also disqualified because of some things that he's done wrongly to employees of his. um you could have just even that much would have made a huge difference and then they would not have come to me. These witnesses would not have come to **[145:28]** me saying Mike please go ahead and tell our story. They would not have come and it would have been a better like I would have preferred it too. That would have been much better. Just just like I reached out to Sean before I made this video and I mean like months and months ago like I think February of last year I reached out like a year ago almost saying hey it's better if you just come forward. Come and defend yourself if these things aren't true. You're saying they're not true. Um, and then later I reached out again and said, "It's better that you just go forward and tell the truth. I'd rather you do that than me make a video." That the closer you can get the exposure to the actual people **[145:59]** doing it, the more health that is to the body, the more integrity that restores into those ministries. But when it comes from as far out as me, that is not going to be it's just going to look bad for you guys. And because it should. Uh, it's just how it is. So, he says, "I haven't seen Matt Crouch. I'm not going to go door to door and all this stuff." Then he says uh towards the bottom here, I don't have time to do that. I have no desire to call around every time I see Shawn on a new platform. I've told many leaders in our network about Shawn's dishonest prophetic ministry. And then he says, most of them have canceled him. **[146:29]** So he was obviously convinced that Shawn was guilty, right? Like that that seems very clear. Sean's definitely guilty cuz you wouldn't you wouldn't warn people about a guy who's not guilty. We also know that Chayon pushed it to you because he thought you were the right guy for the job. or at least that that's what the testimony I've heard suggests. Um, we also know that Shawn's book shows the kind of relationship you guys had. Allow me to now read from Shawn's book. **[146:59]** Put me back on the screen here. Shawn BS's book. Here's Randy Clark's endorsement. I not only want to recommend the book, I want to recommend the author. Shawn has developed into a very healthy prophetic minister and some very powerful and accurate words that have greatly encouraged many. Shouldn't Randy Clark say something publicly about Shawn if after that endorsement? What about James Gaul who I would I've dubbed him the newspaper prophet because I believe he was getting prophecies from newspaper speculation. **[147:30]** He was reading the papers and speculating and the stuff he got right and wrong looked like it came from the newspaper or from news reporting. Anyways, James Gaul, another leader in the movement says, "I've personally known Shawn BS and observed his ministry journey for well over 20 years. The book you hold in your hands is the fruit of joining the generations. With years under his belt, a giftedness that is undeniable, and a lifestyle that exalts Christ Jesus, it is my honor to commend to you the ministry and writings of Shawn BS." There's others. C. Peter **[148:01]** Wagner endorses this. Bobby Connor endorses this. Georgian Banov endorses this. Eric Johnson, Bill Johnson's son. I'll read what he wrote. It is not often that we get to see a prophetic gift mature in front of our eyes. I'm so thankful for Shawn Bulls and his approach to life and the nature of God. The maturing, by the way, is in 2013, Facebook's become searchable and all of a sudden Shawn's able to prophesy way way more accurately about people's lives, words of knowledge. Um, that's the maturing that I think he's referring to. I'm so thankful for Shawn Bulls, **[148:32]** Eric Johnson says, and his approach to life and the nature of God. Our people here at Bethl Church reading have been deeply impacted over the years by what Shawn carries. Oh man, if that hasn't changed meaning since he wrote it, they've been deeply impacted. That's true. Over the years by what Shawn carries, whatever that is. Every time he visits our church, we experience promotion and increase. Translating God, that's the name of the book. Translating God is a must-read for anyone interested in learning how God sees people and how he interacts and engages with us. It **[149:03]** will take you to another level. They're always selling. The selling point is always next level of spiritual stuff. We've got endorsements from Mickey Robinson, Johnny Enlo, Lance Wallnau, Sean Fo, Fatine, I cannot pronounce that person's name. to Jonathan Welton, Senu McIll, Bishop Joseph Garlington, and also Benny Johnson, Bill Johnson's wife, who wrote the following. Shawn, as a young boy and now as an adult, has stewarded the prophetic in a natural way that has been beautiful to watch. **[149:35]** Really, I don't think that's true. And there's other endorsers, too. Then on the back of his book, Sean talks about, and you can see it, you can see it here. If you're those of you who really want to pause and zoom in, you can read it. I'll read it to you. He thanks Chayon here. I'll read a couple of them. Here's several. I want to thank Mike Bickl and everyone involved in my prophetic development during my time in Kansas City. Mike Bickl exposed as a guy who would **[150:06]** use prophecy to abuse people and women in particular. I want to thank Rick Joiner and Morning Star Ministries for being pioneers and for receiving me as an extended family member. Rick, David Yarns, and the rest of the Morning Star friends. I'm I'm grateful. I want to thank Heidi and Roland Baker for modeling what hearing God's voice can do to transform the poor of the earth. You have personally grounded me in the love that this book speaks of just by example and the time we spent together. I want to thank Chay and Suan and Hrock and Him for being so good for my growth and heart. Thanks for the relationship and **[150:37]** all the opportunities to grow and give away who I am. I love being part of the family. Finally, I want to thank Bill and Benny Johnson and the Johnson family, Chris and Kathy Valatin, Danny and Sher Silk for the and the rest of my Bethl family. You give me such great joy to be part of your family. There are too many of you to name, so I'm sticking with the moms and dads. Thank you for being the place of love and faith and for giving grace for this new prophetic season to emerge. Right? That's his launching pad was in **[151:08]** Bethl. Later turns into we have no authority over Sean. It's not my job to go around and tell people about him and warn him about him. These endorsements mean you have to publicly because you publicly put him on stage. You launched him. You you got to be the guy the guys who try to help shut him down for the sake of the benefit of the body of Christ. Do you love your people is the question or do you love your movement? **[151:38]** Now, let's talk about some of the justifications that are in this um response, this uh text message from Chris. He says Shawn doesn't do words of knowledge anymore. Uh that is actually not true. Uh there's a clip from Sean's uh YouTube channel, November 8th, 2024, that shows that pro the prophetic and words um and operating in words were still core to his ministry, right? His prophetic stuff is is ongoing. It's just shifted in the same sense that you you **[152:08]** go underground. You know, Benny Hinn tries to only ask people to give $10,000 when there's not a camera around now. Like he tends to do that um because he said he would never do it again. So, you can still catch him on camera doing it sometimes, but he'll just he'll just be more careful about how he does it. That's what cover-up culture does. So, here's Sean talking about his ongoing prophetic ministry and how there's a lot here. He's going to defend himself. He's going to deny the accusations. He's going to show that he still prophesies and we'll show that these excuses that Chris gave were we're were not we're not **[152:40]** good. To set this video up, you just need to know that Shawn had prophesied Trump would have two terms. Uh obviously Trump has had two terms now and that's why he came out made this video. He's like vindicated. I'm we're vindicated. Um and he still says he kind of messed up, but they're kind of vindicated and they're kind of playing games with it. But that's the backdrop is there was this time he prophesied Trump would win in 2020. He said Trump would have two terms. He would be in office in 2020, right? From 2020 through 2024, 2021 to 24, he's going to be in office. **[153:11]** And that's not what happened. So he later apologized for it and he came under a lot of fire. Around the same time these allegations started coming out more publicly faking prophecy and and then behind the scenes the sexual allegations were also coming out. Sean's having talks with Danny and Chris and he's denying everything. Okay, that's the context of this conversation. Now listen >> and I prophesied on a national format and then Fox News called me and said, "Is Trump going to win it again?" And I said, "Yes, absolutely. I see a second term." And so the problem was the second **[153:44]** term didn't come right away and the warfare that came against prophetic people and Christians in that moment both secularly in society and then also in the church in movements whole movements who didn't know what to do and how to stand. >> So he he generally you'll see this couch uh this issue as like oh it's not really about me it's about the warfare against everybody. It's kind of like when Chris was told, "This is going to make Bethl look bad." And he goes, "You're right. It would be bad for the prophetic movement worldwide, right?" Like, it's it's that kind of thing. >> With that, I had I mean, I've been around for 30 years in, you know, church **[154:15]** cultures. I've been kind of a staple to a lot of charismatic churches and charismatic movements and pastors were mad and then they start to accuse us of researching stuff on Facebook. And I mean, this whole attack came where it's like, you've done all these things that are wrong and you did and all of it was false. And I had to say, I don't agree. And then during that time, I was also pivoting to to go after social commentary, media, and production. >> Chris presented the pivot as he's no longer doing words of knowledge. He's moving away from prophecy. He's reshaping his ministry. He has increased accountability. I know he hasn't cleaned **[154:46]** up his mess, but there was a bunch of things to kind of like soften and it was all damage control. And the way he talks about it now, he goes, I was pivoting I was just pivoting my ministry in a way that was it was that all the accusations were false. All of the accusations were false. also digging up words of knowledge and then he just vaguely says all of the accusations which implies these other ones which were uh I believe true >> and it was such a perfect storm for prophetic people. Some prophetic people got annihilated by the New York Times and Washington Post and all these >> these poor prophetic people. They're not **[155:17]** they weren't prophetic. That's exactly it. They're not prophetic at all. And they got exposed when they falsely predicted something that didn't happen and it was a global event >> different places and all these rumors came. It was really easy to believe the worst about people. For 2 years, I didn't prophesy anything publicly. That was >> publicly I'm I'm going to play this back again. He's going to say for two years he didn't prophesy anything publicly. He stopped for a season for two years again not permanently um because of the **[155:49]** heat of the moment and while denying the accusations. This is called damage control. This is called cover up culture. This is called dodging accountability. And Chris seemed okay with that. >> Washington Post and all these different places and all these rumors came and it was really easy to believe the worst about people for two years. I didn't prophesy anything publicly that was a big word for politics or a big word for the corporate church. I stayed real quiet. I just I was like I want to just really see God. And part of it was because I had warfare of some movements I love who accused me of things that **[156:21]** weren't true. And I wanted to rebalance. I was like, there's a a demand put on the prophetic gifts and some of the offices of prophet like mine that was wrong. It was a wrong demand that was and I wanted to realign myself to God and then be able to realign myself after that to speak to churches and movements in the right way. And >> I want to throw up when I hear him say stuff like this. It's ridiculous. It was the wrong demand that was placed. Dude, you created the super profit expectation and then you failed and then you're like, you guys expected too much of me. **[156:51]** Um, what you want is no accountability. You want to be the super prophet. And this is at least how it all looks to me. This is at my best understanding. Everything I share with you is my best understanding of things that I uh I think are they need to be known. So yeah, he goes on. He he couches it like a spiritual warfare and bad expectations. And he's got two cheerleaders here. these guys who I hope that God opens their eyes and they realize that their sincere love for God is being manipulated by guys like Shawn BS **[157:21]** >> and during that time I stayed really connected to people like Bill Johnson still connected to him stay really really connected to uh TBN and our TBN family Matt and Lorie Crouch stayed really connected to of course Bob and Lauren Hass who you guys know really well and and I I realigned and I reshaped with >> Okay, Bob and Lauren Hass. So Bob Hass is on Sean's board. I think he's still on the board. He was on the board when my witness reached out and talked to every board member he could, past and present board members, and asked them to **[157:52]** hold Shawn accountable and be aware of what was going on. And ultimately, Shawn was not held accountable. And the conversations went something along the lines of, "Tell us what you know, what names do you know, what names do you know?" And they wouldn't give him information. And uh it it ended up being like, "What is really going on here?" Um, so that that's how it was reported to me and I entirely believe that's true because I have things I can't tell you about that I know. But um, but yeah, so Sean Foy was on his board. He was made aware of these things. Uh, now at some **[158:23]** point he's got off his board reportedly. But this is weird. The timing is weird because at one point he claims basically there's filings, legal filings that show Sean was on the board at a point at which he had told someone he wasn't. But then I think Sean has deceived or misled people quite a bit about a lot of things. So I'm not surprised. But Sean Foy told the witness, I I don't know what you're I didn't know about that stuff. I didn't I didn't know about that. I was unaware of that. Yet Chris Valadin's message was going to be I I talked to the board members and I asked **[158:54]** them to pull him out and they don't want to do it. I don't know why. So both those things can't be true. What is the truth? I don't I don't know. I don't know. Was Chris posturing to make himself look good so that he was off the hook? this this person wasn't upset with him. Um, or was it was it true? And Chris is upset because he's like, "Why don't you guys pull him out? You should pull him out." I I don't know. It's it's it's very difficult to know because once the trust is damaged, all you have is putting together the pieces and trying to figure out what really **[159:25]** happened. God, what the prophetic is supposed to look like in my life after what we experienced, which was a major attack, the worst attack of my life against my reputation. So, I do think that this was a a huge coordinated Jezebel attack the entire time. That was the worst I've ever seen in history. >> Now, when he says a huge coordinated Jezebel attack, he means the attack against him and also because of the context of the clip, make sure you understand this, also the attack against all of the other prophetic people, **[159:55]** right? who were a lot of fake prophecies stuff going on there. He says during this time clearly said I stayed connected close with Bill Johnson and close with Matt and Lorie Crouch and close with and he names some names Bob Hassen and it is it is in fact in 2023 when Bill Johnson went and endorsed him personally his character and his book again even after knowing that a lot of the stories that he read that he writes about in here are things that would have either not happened or or happened from **[160:28]** digging up people's data on the internet and they're pretending like he had prophecy. Here's another piece from his book, by the way, that I thought was pretty interesting where he says that Paul Kaine is a p was a personal friend of mine. He was a personal friend of yours and a mentor to me because you're walking in his footsteps, his disgusting footsteps. You're going to learn more about that today as well. So, the things that Chris said were simply not true and and simply not good enough, right? Because Shawn **[160:59]** affected so many people. Take a look at how many people he affected in his own words. >> My friends and family. I mean, I've traveled all around the world. So, I've been everywhere from all over Asia and Thailand and um Cambodia and and Indonesia and Korea and Singapore and Malaysia and all those kinds of places, China, but I've also been, you know, throughout Africa, throughout South America. You have to realize when I used to be on the road, so if I traveled 70 times a year, I would have, you know, seven to 20 prophetic words for individuals, whether it's a leadership **[161:30]** team behind the scenes, whether it's people ministry, plus I'd have two or three governmental words or local words or church words. So when you count those up, it's hundreds of thousands of words a year. I was giving. And now I don't have all that, which is great. So I have more consistent time where I just have my relational network and I'm so praying and continuing will give me words to connect to and I don't strive for that but I just I want to be deliberate because I see what the prophetic does calling us forward. >> He isn't doing that's great. He says he **[162:01]** knows it's not great. He he liked it better when he could do all he can be more public but there's too much accountability now, right? He's got to like still lay low. Um, he does plan on ramping back up, it seems, from the way he talks about these things, but he's still giving private words to people. I still have my relational network. Now, what kind of relational network does a guy like Shawn Bulls have? Well, it will probably include money, money, money, donors, people with a lot of money. And Sean has special words of knowledge for them. I'm going to talk about a couple who Sean gave a special word of knowledge to special uh insight from the **[162:32]** Holy Spirit supposedly and then was trying to get their money money and they are helping us blow the whistle on not only Sean but others in the movement too that were doing the same thing to them. So at least I that's how I interpret it. You can interpret it yourself. I'll just share with you what I know. What is the rest of this? Let's see. >> It calls us to action. It calls us to calls us higher. So my friendship world, I want to call them higher. Every year I pray for my whole friendship circle that I feel signed to pray for prophetically. **[163:02]** But at the same time, it gives me more room now because now I'm in media. So that's why we're releasing the prophetic word or perspective with each show because I feel like it helps people to wrap their faith around something prophetically. And sometimes they get more specific words and sometimes they get more generic words. >> Yeah, he is a rambler, this guy. So Sean is still h he still has prophecy as a key part of his ministry. And if you go to his YouTube channel, I did this and you look at his videos, his best performing videos um there there's some **[163:32]** outliers, but uh in general, his better performing videos are going to be ones where it says something about prophecy. He has a prophetic word about this, a prophetic word about this. And then the ones where he's just bringing a teaching or a lecture of some kind, the views tend to be pretty low. They're not very good. So Sean is still engaging in a prophetic ministry. He's still probably fundraising through the use of his supposed prophetic gift. And the warning still needs to go out **[164:02]** because guys like this will lay low and then they'll just do it again. I know that sounds crazy, but that's exactly what these guys have done in the past. They just lay low and then they keep going. They just lay a little bit lower and they keep going. that Mike Bickl right now, even after being exposed for having what was it 17 victims, um is just going to try to keep going. He's kicking back up. His sister had a special word of prophecy, God is restoring him. And um Bob Jones, he continued he after he perversely fake **[164:34]** prophesied to two women so that he could I'm going to give the details here. Skip it if you don't want to hear it. so that he could get them to take their clothes off and for them to receive a special anointing from God, he had to place his mouth upon where you think um their you know their top and uh as a as a a nursing anointing. Anyway, he did this, right? He was busted for it in the early 90s and still in the 2000s, Bethl has him at their church guiding people in trips to heaven which were clearly fake. Clearly **[165:05]** fake. The coverup culture is insane and Sean is just laying low unless he gets really publicly exposed and the leaders won't stand for it because I think only only then do you really get the change the transformation. But if you hold him accountable does that mean they'll be held accountable too. Um who knows how much is going on there. Back to that text message conversation. There's a lot more in here that's very important for me to share with you guys in 2021. Um, Chris **[165:38]** continues and says, "This is early 2020 21 at this point. Others have called me and asked what I think and I told them the truth about Shawn's antics." That is actually pretty key because I did a video with Elijah Stevens who Shawn lied to, fake prophesied to. Elijah spent his much of his life savings on it. It damaged his marriage. It caused him serious PTSD when he started hearing whispers uh that seemed credible to him that Shawn was actually fake and that the prophetic word that he gave Elijah based upon him knowing Elijah's like **[166:08]** name and family members names and all this stuff that maybe that came from Facebook when he started thinking that that really might have been fake. It freaked him out and he reached out to Chris and he said, "Chris, tell me was it real?" And Chris did not warn him, right? He gave a vague kind of half answer. He didn't actually tell him the truth. Right here, he says, "Others have called me and asked me what I think. I told them the truth about Shawn's antics. He actually didn't do that with the one person I know who did call him and ask him what he thought. I didn't realize that Shawn's books were **[166:39]** still in our bookstore." He says, "I will have them taken out of the store and off our site. I did have a conversation with him about 4 months ago and told him that he wasn't to ask any of our team to be on his podcast." This creates distance. It might feel like accountability to some, but ultimately it just creates distance. And then Shawn is able to eventually continue doing his ministry at maybe a smaller level, but he can still victimize people and do all kinds of evil things. I told him that he needs to clean up his mess before he has a relationship with any of our people. **[167:09]** I've also told our entire team that they are not to minister with Shawn or have him in any of their ministries. I would have thought Elijah was a team member. We showed how he taught at some at some of your school stuff, but you didn't tell him. And even when he asked, he wasn't told. And Dan Fairley, Dan Fairley, pastor at Bethl, told Elijah he didn't know about Shawn. He wasn't he didn't really know what the truth was about Shawn. But here, Chris says he told the entire team. I mean, Dan Fairley's there's top three guys at Bethl or four guys, excuse me, at BETHL. You got Bill, you got Chris, you got Dan **[167:40]** Danny Silk, and you have Dan Fairley. Did Dan Fairley just lie? That's what it looks like. I've also had a conversation with Bethl Music leadership and team and told them about Shawn's situation. They've agreed to ban him from their ministry. And then he says, "I heard Shawn really isn't getting invited anywhere." And Shawn has not been doing much public speaking. That's for sure. Um because he's basically got leprosy. He's the leper. If you you use him for something, you're going to have a bunch of people on your back. **[168:11]** Social media is going to be all over it. And that's the real issue is we don't want the mob. We don't want the social media. Let us do our thing. Stop trying to hold people accountable. But is Chris convinced that Shawn is guilty? That's the big question. The very, very important question. Does Chris think Shawn is guilty? Is he aware of enough information that he believes Shawn is guilty? Well, he bans him from ministering in their church. He tells Bethl Music, "Don't do anything with them. He can't get involved until he repents and cleans up his mess." Well, I I I could pull him out of ministry, but I have no authority over him. It's clear **[168:42]** that he believes that Shawn is guilty. He's certainly treating him that way. And speaking of Elijah Stevens, after Shawn gave the word that led Elijah down the path of spending most of his retirement on something because he believed God was calling him to do it, um, and then Bethl not help dropping just basically going like this with Elijah afterwards. And I have a whole giant video with evidence and emails and texts and everything that Elijah pulled together for us to share. So, I'll link that below. But after that happened, after this fake word came from the Bethl **[169:12]** stage to Elijah that messed up his life, 5 days later, Chris Valadin posted on social media, this is in 2015, is that long ago, Shawn BS has the most powerful word of knowledge gift I have ever experienced. I thank God for the gifts he gives to his people. Couldn't you have just posted on Facebook, Chris, Shawn BS has been faking his words of knowledge. I'm sorry that I fed you to him. You could have just said that, but you couldn't be bothered. Couldn't be bothered. All right, this is where Chris goes on. Um, **[169:44]** this stuff's all so important. It's This is going to validate a lot of the claims that I've been making, the the things that I'm about to share with you now to help bring in more witnesses and more evidences. He says, um, I heard Sean's not getting invited places. He goes on, I think he's trying to survive by having people on his podcast. Several people have called me about being on his podcast, and I've told them what I know. Again, Chris is the fountain of truth, apparently, except he wasn't to Elijah. Uh, whenever I see someone on his podcast that I know, I text them and let them know what's going on. So, I'm not doing nothing. I'm not saying he never did any of those things, but it certainly isn't the way it comes off. **[170:16]** Um, we also have talked to his board individually and together. We've asked them to pull him out of ministry at this point. They don't want to do that, which is which I think is a major mistake. Again, my guy who talked to several board members, um, one of them said, "I didn't even know about this stuff." Um, and he says he wasn't on the board. I don't know if that's really true because the the IRS violinally said he was. That's Sean Foy. So, uh, this is weird stuff, right? But you realize that there's these people who could make a difference who simply won't. And that's **[170:46]** what cover-up culture does. Nobody pulls the trigger. They'll talk about it. They'll complain about it. They'll distance themselves, but they'll never pull the trigger and warn the actual victims, the future and potential and current victims of the person. Those are the people they won't warn. Chris went out of his way, according to him, to warn leaders, to warn the important people, but not the normal people, not Jubilee Dawn, not Elijah Stevens, not the thousands and thousands and thousands of people that Shawn had given words to according to him. So again, he's talking about the board, Sean's **[171:17]** board. We've also talked to his board individually and together. We meaning what? Probably Bethl, right? Bethl's talked to them. We've asked them to pull him out of ministry. At this point, they don't want to do that, which I think is a major mistake. But they have official authority to remove him. I honestly don't understand why they don't. Danny laid out all the evidence, all the all the facts and evidence. There was a bunch of facts and evidence you had four years ago, f excuse me, f over five years ago now that you had over at least five and a half years ago, cuz that's when you were doing the confrontation. Minimally five **[171:48]** and a half, closer to six. You had facts and evidence. You were asking to be removed from ministry and you talk to other leaders about it. Here he goes on. He says, "I talked to Chay an Ed Silvoso, John Arnot, and the Bakers about Shawn. They've all canled them from their conferences. Ed Silvoso was doing a major event with Shawn in California, and he canceled him." Okay, but why didn't any of them warn? Cuz how do you discern the difference between people who were merely protecting themselves and those who were protecting their people? Well, you you ask, did their actions result in the protection **[172:20]** of individuals or just ministries? Then he says, "My take is that God is going to deal with him. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes." Finally, February 1st, 2021, the witness is like, "I guess that's that's all that's going to happen, right?" So, he says, "I trust you, Chris, and I take you at your word. It's almost been a month and the Bethl store still offers Sean's books. Chris says, "I'll check. I just got off **[172:52]** the phone with David Stein, who does all the Bethl media stores. Evidently, I forgot to tell him, so he'll be pulling them down this week. Thanks for the reminder. It's been a very busy season with a thousand things to do every day. I understand, Chris. I have much grace. Thanks for letting me know." Did Chris think he was guilty? I'll come at one second. Did Chris think he was guilty? Obviously, yes. You don't ask a guy to be pulled out of ministry. You don't talk to his board and request for them to remove him. You don't ban him from your events and tell all your team supposedly about what he's done uh **[173:24]** unless you think he's guilty. And you don't say you can't come back unless you repent, unless you think he actually has something to repent of. But we will find a different story being told to the public when Chris is confronted on it later on. So, here's their last conversation. My witness reaches out to Chris and says, "Hey, uh, Chris, I just saw this weird thing where there was a trophy that Bethl had Bethl on it and Bethl was giving him a trophy, like one of the school of ministries or something." And he was upset by this and he was like, "I thought you told your **[173:55]** team about Shawn and yet someone's giving him this trophy that says Bethl on it and has Shawn Bulls on it about like most prophetic." Um, and so he reached out and then Chris goes, "This is some kind of misunderstanding. this is not a Bethl thing. This didn't happen at a Bethl school. I don't know what this is. Um, and so the guy goes, "Okay, fine. I'm glad you cleared that up. I I just I thought that it was it looked really bad in the picture." So, I'm not saying that the picture was real. I don't I don't know what it was, right? It was something Sean posted on Instagram. Um, whether it was really Bethl or not Bethl, who let's say it **[174:25]** wasn't. Here's then the response where he says, "Thanks for clearing that up." And then Chris tells him, "You need to get some help and move on with your life. I don't know what's going on with you, but it feels super unhealthy that you're taking the taking on the role of policing our movement and trying to warn everyone about Shawn. It's time for you to move on. Please don't contact me anymore about Shawn. I've given up trying to be his punisher. I'm moving on. Do you want something Do you want someone to try to hold him more accountable than your do it yourself? **[174:58]** So eventually he contacts me and uh I'm your huckleberry. I'll help you. I'll help you hold him accountable. Chris will help shout this from the rooftop. Me, not just me, not remotely, just me. Minor Profits is the group that really helped blow the the the thing like wide open because they were people in the charismatic movement who you could tell were reluctantly sharing it out. But other people like Matthew Hartkey going public, that really helped as well. That made a big difference. and I'm just going to amplify what they've done. Um, and I al **[175:30]** also have a more witness testimony that I get to share than they were able to share. So, Chris knows he's guilty, right? That's a reasonable conclusion. He knows he's guilty. However, when this stuff finally goes public, now we're going to fast forward. We're going to fast forward and look at some stuff on Instagram. All right. So, when this stuff finally goes public, let's go to the Instagram. We have this exchange. And this exchange is where Chris Valatin starts responding. In fact, it's a very rare moment where he's actually responding openly um on Instagram comments to some **[176:01]** stuff about Shawn BS. So, January 18th approximately, this conversation takes place in 2025. This is when it's just gotten blown up and people know about Shawn. They have seen some of the screenshots of the text messages that I just showed you. They saw at least some of those that went public. I think that maybe I'm bringing new ones, I think, uh that people haven't seen yet. So there's questions like, "Are those real text messages? Is this real? Is that a real witness? Is this true about Shawn that you guys knew and you didn't tell people? Like what's going on?" So **[176:32]** here, Spencer Dalton in all good Christian love, and you can tell it's it really is. He tries to ask Chris about this. He says, "Chris, is there a reason you're continuing to not address the situation with Shawn BS?" Remember, Bethl was silent even after it went public. They were very, very slow to be speaking to it. or the text messages honestly and respectfully asking it would do a world of good to help the body of Christ process these extremely concerning allegations instead of leaving them to figure it out for themselves without guidance or even encouragement. Why remain silent when you have such a large voice blessings to **[177:03]** you, brother? I agree. Just so you know, Chris is the guy who knows how to do prophecy well. He's the guy who believes according to himself in prophetic accountability and holding people accountable and doing it properly and creating the healthy the right environment to create a healthy prophetic, you know, experimentation. This is what Chris is known for. Anyways, he responds to Spencer Dalton and says, "Always more to the story than meets the eye." Wait, what? Didn't you just say like you asked his board to remove him and you and you you you **[177:34]** thought they should and it was a mistake that they wouldn't. There's more What? Well, of course, there's more to a story, but what what is the more? So, Spencer Dalton replies, "Yes, I'm sure there is." Which is why we need men of truth to bring clarity and light to the situation. Just honestly asking questions and trying to get my heart around why no one is willing to publicly address this because none of the leaders did. And they all and they knew. Oh, I'm going to show you that they knew. I have more evidence of that. It seems like a matter of great importance to the church at large. Knowing what you know, do you **[178:05]** believe it's best for the body if this remains unresolved? Publicly praying for all involved. All right. I think Spencer is coming at this in a great way. He's clearly looking optimistically for movement in the right direction here. It's not just condemnation. He's he's trying to ask for help. Chris responds to him and um here, let me see if I can boost this a bit. Chris responds. It says, "Wisdom is not always played out in front of the crowd. The crowd demands to know every detail, **[178:36]** but there are things that are not for the crowd. This would be a lot easier if you knew me. I believe you trust me." That's a weird answer, dude. Like either you guys put this on guy on stage and promoted him and endorsed him, right? Thoroughly and he was fake and you should come out and tell everybody or or not. And then why did Bill go and endorse the guy just recently on TBN? **[179:06]** What is going on? What do you mean wisdom is not always played out in front of the crowd? Right now folly is being played out in front of the crowd. This is weird. This is a really weird response. So Spencer responds, "Man, I love you, bro. But I just don't see the body of Christ as the crowd. I agree so much. And I don't see a sincere cry for clarity and truth as demanding every detail. Right. This is he's gaslighting them when he says that they're de demanding every detail. I'm honestly at a loss for words. I believe it's essential for the for church leaders to earn the trust of the church by transparency and raw honesty. **[179:37]** My generation is done with the two-tier system of justice where public sin is covered up privately where ministry abuse from the stage is dealt with in the back rooms. I agree 100%. Listen, if Shambles fake prophesied from a stage, then from as an equally large stage or platform, it must be called out. That's just the appropriate response. I don't know you, but I love you, brother. And I urge you to please consider for the sake of all those who've been impacted, influenced, **[180:08]** harmed, and affected by Shawn. So by Shawn to please speak on this in the presence of every believer so that we as the church may find healing and restoration for the damage done. People were harmed in public. Let the healing be done in public. True that. True that. Very, very true. All right. Chris responds again. He says to Spencer, "Do you know for a fact Shawn did this? And this is the most egregious thing, Chris. I can't believe I cannot believe you said this. **[180:40]** There are only two options for what I'm about to read. One, a bunch more data came out that made you think Sean's really innocent. Or two, you are you're doing a bad thing." I think it's number two. My I'm going to give you conjecture, guys. This is total conjecture. Maybe it's wrong. I don't think it is. I think that Bill Johnson was still wanting to be in Sean's corner and Chris Valatin tried to fall in line so that privately he could chew him out all he wanted, but publicly they couldn't say anything. And so even now this public thing, he's **[181:12]** trying to spin. He's trying to balance and get on the fence. So he says, "Do you know for sure for a fact that Sean did this? Are you 100% sure he's guilty?" Actually, you only have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. Have you seen the evidence? Well, no, Chris, because you have the evidence and you won't show it to people. You have a packet of information you've received. You've talked to witnesses. You have a recording of one of his victims. You You're the one withholding the evidence. So, when you ask the people, "Do you have the evidence that you wouldn't let them see?" I I uh try to petition Bethl, if you don't if you **[181:44]** want to say you're on the fence and you don't know if he's guilty or not, just release the packet of info you got back in 2017 with all the list of words and the things that were found on Facebook cuz it was all right there. How about you just release it if it's so uncertain and so in the air? Just make it public. Huh? Because all of his prophecies are public. No. So, have you seen the evidence? No. No, Chris. He hasn't seen the evidence. He hasn't seen the evidence because you guys covered it up. Or are you listening to people on social media? I mean, Chris, you're on social media, just so you know, right now. That's a That's such a weird passive aggressive **[182:15]** statement to make. You're listening to people on social media is a mixed bag. There's plenty of bad. There's plenty of good, but you can't just ignore people because they're on social media. Where does Shawn focus his ministry? On social media. Where do the majority of people who listen to Bethl listen to them on social media. Where does Chris impact the most people on a regular basis? On social media. It's just so weird. As far as I know, it's alleged that's that's a lie. I I I don't know. I I don't know what else to call this except that is a bold-faced lie from Chris Valatin in a **[182:46]** in a very important issue that is it appears um to try to do some kind of damage control play some weird game with the body of Christ. He says as far as I know it's alleged and last I heard Shawn hasn't admitted to anything. Actually Shawn has denied it publicly and maybe more facts have come out. I haven't followed the situation for years if he's guilty and refused to deal with it with his sin in private. Yikes. It's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. So sad he used to be my friend **[183:17]** if he's guilty. If he refused to deal with his sin. What did Chris tell the actual victim? One of the victims of Shawn. He was like, "He won't he's not going to clean up his mess. I'm sorry. We were going to try to bring restoration, you know, but we have no authority over him. There's nothing else we can do. Anybody who asks us, we tell them the truth about Shawn. This guy asked you, you lied. How many other times has this happened? He goes on and he says, "Thank you for caring so deeply. I care too." **[183:47]** Somebody else says, "Exactly why so many of us are looking to you to enlighten us." Right? Because he's seen the evidence. He he and he says it right here. He goes, "I saw the evidence. I spent days examining it. I talked to Sean for hours." Well, wait. So, is it as far as you know, it's alleged or is it I saw the evidence? Is it have you seen the evidence? Are you sure convinced? Or is it uh I I saw the evidence. I talked to Sean for hours. Or is it I haven't followed the situation for years. I don't really know for sure what's going on with that stuff. Or is it like we talked to his board and we told them to remove him. You you guys see what happens when people actually **[184:18]** come forward and share the things that they know, the evidence that they actually have and you find out that this has been a house of cards for a long time. For a long time. Well, the conversation does continue on on Instagram and I think Chris is he should stop using social media to be honest. He should just have pre-planned posts and not just share what he thinks because Chris just says stuff. I'm glad he did though. Um Spencer says um replying to someone else. Exactly. True shepherds don't remain silent while **[184:48]** wolves are in the midst of the flock. That's right. So if you have a coverup culture and you have leaders who refuse to call things out like that dad who wouldn't tell his daughter about Shawn whereas while his family have been being tugof-war because of a fake prophecy that Shawn gave them. When you have things like this you have to wonder is there a lack of protective capacity that you have towards the people that trust you and sadly it is it is the case. Then there's one more response here from **[185:19]** somebody else who says, "Hey, Chris." Basically, he says, "Chris, if it's the case that you examine the evidence and believe now that these are just allegations and nothing more, as seems to be from this comment thread, then why not just say so in so many words? Why not make a clear statement? There are screenshots of text messages with your name on them. If they aren't authentic, just say so. Just be like, "Hey, these screenshots that Mike Winger is just showing right now, hey, these are they're not real. Those aren't real screenshots. Just tell us that if that's the case." Bethl gave Shawn BS an international platform and Bethl insists on being a ministry with international **[185:49]** reach. A reach that includes Shawn if he was or is a fraud. This is just as much Bethl's responsibility. Don't unnecessarily leave people in confusion. The only response I have left from that from Chris responding to what Spencer said earlier about true shepherds. He says, "So Shawn is a wolf and I'm not a true shepherd." Okay, case closed. He's just being a punk now. He's just being a punk. Chris, you are exposed to now. I am **[186:21]** shocked. I'm shocked. As far as you know, it's alleged. That is a lie. If something has come out, where where's that evidence that oh no, it turns out it wasn't true? Turns out that all these victims and all these witnesses that we have access to that we know about turns it wasn't true. Well, then why did why don't you redeem the guy and come out publicly and tell him? You might think maybe more evidence did come out, Mike. I I think that's plausible. You know, Chris may, let's be **[186:51]** gracious to him. He may have just found more evidence um after his initial interventions and after his final statements to the witness telling him, "Leave me alone. Don't talk to me anymore about Shawn." Um that between then and now, he came out with saw more evidence and changed his mind and was like, "Wow, I'm really on the fence now. Here's why I don't think that's true. Because he says in his conversation on uh Instagram, let me put it back on your screen. You guys may have already picked up on this. I think it's very important. Earlier this year in January, he says, **[187:22]** "As far as I know, it's alleged and last I heard, Shawn hasn't admitted to anything. Maybe more facts have come out. I haven't followed the situation for years." Later, he goes on to say that he saw the evidence years ago and he talked with Shawn and examined everything. So, this means that the only way in which he could believe that it's alleged is if he believed it was alleged years ago when he was telling the actual victim, "Oh, I'm cutting Sean off and no one can work with him and our whole team **[187:52]** knows about it and I'm answering anybody who asks me and I'm warning people and telling people don't go on his podcast and I'm doing all this stuff." But publicly, that's not what he did. In other words, I don't trust a word of what he said to that person privately because the if the public actions don't match the private conversations, they're meaningless. This is the key of coverup culture. If the public actions do not match the private asurances, then then those assurances don't mean anything. They don't mean anything. Okay, I forgot I still had one more screenshot from that uh Instagram back and forth. And I don't know of any other **[188:22]** back and forth Chris Valatin has had on this topic. It was actually a real gem that we found this one because it reveals the truth. reveals the truth about the public versus private conversations. But here another person responds, Eric Austin says uh to Chris, "Oh man, I've loved you for years and still do, but that that response is really disappointing and troubling with all the faulty leadership issues that are coming to light in the body in general right now." I mean, there was no problem with a public statement being made over Jason Westerfield's error. So why this? Um Jason Westerfield famously **[188:53]** is the one person Bill Johnson actually rebuked from the pulpit. Um, and then people think, "Oh, that's proof that Bill's willing to do that." I don't think he had a choice. I think he had to because of what Westerville was doing in their church to their own people. Bill had to speak to it because, uh, he was it was it was demonic. It was demonic. U, it was really sick. Um, but that's the one time, the only time that I'm aware of or anybody I've talked to is aware of where Bill actually called somebody out. But here's the thing. Their movement has been full of people they should have called out for generations. **[189:24]** And it's its status quo is to never call out anybody. You can call out the underlings. You can call out the low people. You can call you don't call out the leadership. You don't call out the movers and shakers. That's the thing. You don't call out Kenneth Copeland. You don't call out Beni Hen. Certainly not. So Chris responds, "Last response we have from him on on Instagram." Lesson number one thing I learned years ago. You will never please the crowd. I never let the crowd tell me how to pastor people. Many people fail who aren't wolves, including Peter. This seems to be implying that Shawn is **[189:55]** not a wolf, right? That's seems making a case that Sean's not a wolf. Like he's defending Shawn now. That's what's happening. Three, if the accusations against Shawn are true, there are many more like him. We've caught three others and pulled them all out of the ministry. What? What if if it's true? There's many more like it. Now, this is this is I talked to somebody who was in leadership in the charismatic church in a church you would know. And they told me that if they really did pull the cuz I told them, **[190:26]** "You guys need to pull the trigger on all the people you know that are faking." If there's people who uh have sin issues, you may be able to work with them. You may be able to help a pastor recover if he's if he's if he's like teetering on the edge, if he's he's like half fallen or something. There's times where you recover and you don't go and blast that to everybody. But when the guy's persisting and he won't and he won't change. And also when they're fraudulently praying upon the people of God with fake miracles and lying in God's name, you there's no wiggle room on that. You have to go public on that. You have to warn. You don't have to warn the whole world. You **[190:56]** have to warn everybody he's influencing which might be the whole world like as with Sean or it might be the local church. But they've caught three others and there's a lot of them. And this is what this is what the guy told me. He said, "Mike, if we did this, if we actually called this stuff out whenever we see it, it would be devastating. It would be a lot of people. I believe that. And this is here where Chris admits it, too. If the accusations against Shawn are true, there are many more like him. We've caught three others and pulled them all out of ministry. Yeah. So, they do sometimes pull people out of ministry, and this makes them feel like they're they're doing good. Do **[191:27]** they do they warn people about them? Is there accountability? I know of another person who was doing these same fake words of knowledge at Bethl and was busted for it and uh was caught for it. Uh, and there was no public statement made even though they were doing it using media and using Bethl resources to try to reach people. Uh, there was no accountability for it. Nobody knew why they got pulled out. They just got pulled out silently, which sounds like self-p protection to me. I'll read on the rest of this message here from Chris. Unfortunately, social media has made it easy to embellish **[191:58]** their ministries. So very sad. Thankfully, one of them has repented and cleaned up his mess. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. I don't trust you, Chris. There are many other leaders who have major issues who are leading major. What do you mean by major issues? Bethl has become a place for them to come and get well and whole. Uh most of them remmerge healthy noble leaders. We've got to talk about that for a second. That claim Bethl is known as a place where fallen ministers go and they **[192:29]** and they get re reinstated. They get restored. They're known to be that place. Todd Bentley went to Bethl to get reinstated after he was incredibly horribly evil. Like, look it up. Google Todd Bentley and anything else and you're going to find it. Um, they're known for restoring people. They brought Bob Jones back into ministry stuff, right? They're known for this, but I don't I don't trust them and I don't think you should trust them either. He says most of them reemerge healthy, noble leaders, but the example of say um Bob Hartley is not that. It's that he **[193:00]** just continued his predations and he kind of went quiet for a while and he started getting more integrated. I have a video on Bob Heartley I just did and Bethl and how that they did not handle that properly and it was finally Bob's son who went public and another woman who tried to get Bethl to go public. They they tried to get Bethl to go public. They wouldn't. So they finally went public to warn people about Bob because he would fake prophecy and use it to get women into the bedroom and more and worse stuff. Do most of them do most of them emerge healthy leaders? **[193:32]** Do we believe that? I don't believe that. I wonder. Now, some of them do. And I don't want to Here's the thing. I don't want to make this video and have you guys thinking everybody who has ever been restored through Bethl, it wasn't real. That is not the case. All it means is I can't take Bethl's word for it. That's all it means. I I can't just take their word for it. I need to assess it through other means to be thoughtful and careful and make sure that everybody is being taken care of and protected properly. That's what we need to do. So Chris, we see from his his porative use of the term the crowd when he has people **[194:02]** begging him to be a spiritual father and take care of things. Um we know that he doesn't like warning the crowd. So I'm going to tell you now about I'm going to call them Bob and Sally. Okay, here's a new section of the video. The Bob and Sally saga. Bob and Sally were a couple that was very well off and they had the beginnings of this business that was skyrocketing like you know crazy crazy money that that was the direction that it was heading. That is very attractive **[194:35]** to the prophet crowd. Not all of them. There are some people who are prophetic who are godly and humble and Christloving and sincere and I think that God works in their lives. So, but I'm talking about Mike Bickl and Sean BS and Emma Stark and Stacy Campbell and those guys that they love the rich big moneybags guys that they can prophesy to. Sincere Christians who love Jesus and just happen to have a load of cash. All of a sudden, you get special words of knowledge for those people. These are these are what I would consider Sean's special friends who he still gives words words to. I'll bet you he's looking **[195:06]** their data up, giving them a special word. The Lord show me uh something uh blue. Something blue. And and it's and you were you were you were you were trying to dodge it, but you couldn't. Oh, you bought a new blue Dodge. Oh, I don't know. How did I know this? The Lord. Yeah. I mean, is it that um and you know, God's called me to to to expand my ministry. I need $60 million. Yeah. Special words of prophecy for the rich people. That's what you get. Now, these guys are rich. Bob and Sally, they're in the rich category at the **[195:37]** time. So, Mike Bickl, Shawn BS, Emma Stark, and Stacy Campbell are all courting them. That's how I understand from based on their story. Now, they I've met with them. I've talked with them a couple times um multiple times. And here's the story they tell. According to them, Mike Bickl wanted to build another wing onto his Wagner school. This is before Bickl was exposed. And so, he wanted them to move to Kansas City. He wants them to move in with him. Bob and Sally, come here. This is the place I believe God is calling you. And they spent three days with Bickl. Bickl, how often does Mike Bickle spend three days with anybody? Well, **[196:07]** they were the money bags. They get the special treatment. Three days with just them. hours and hours of time with Mike. He walks them through the whole prophetic history of the International House of Prayer, Kansas City. And it's hours and hours of a lot of madeup stuff and it and he tells them, "They're generals. You're generals in our story. You're part of this story, too. You're generals." And he had them send bios of their kids over to Mike so he could learn all about their kids and get connected to them regularly. And he was texting with all of them. And they called him Uncle Mike. His kids called him Uncle Mike. There at the end of the **[196:39]** three days they spent together, Mike gave them a special prophetic word. He prophesied that they would make billions of dollars, which did not come to pass. That they would be massive business leaders, which has not come to pass. And that they gave a significant amount of money to Mike Bickl because that's what you're supposed to do. It feels like the right thing and the way he talks and the stories he tells and you feel like you're a general and this is how I serve. And so they gave him significant amount of money. Chayon also was courting them. It seems Chayon wanted them to move to HRock in Pasadena. That's his church, Pasadena, not too far **[197:11]** from me. I should go say hi to Chay. So, he wanted them to move to HR. Emma Stark wanted them to move to where she lives. And Shawn BS wanted them to move where he lives in California. He gave them a prophetic word of knowledge when they first met that they now believe was just he googled their last name and saw it on Wikipedia. So, he gave I have the recording of this prophetic word. I've heard the recording. Um, and it was just what it was the information from Wikipedia. They weren't even sure what it meant when it was given. They just kind of nodded and were like, "Oh." And then when they looked it up later, they were like, **[197:41]** "Dude, that's just what Wikipedia says." And he confirmed before he gave him the word, he goes, "Is this how you spell your last name?" And they go, "Yes." And he goes, "Oh." And then he gives them the word. Because he was probably trying to make sure that he looked up the right last name that the spelling was accurate cuz he doesn't want another uh 105 slaughter house to happen to him. Stacy Campbell also wanted them to move out to where she is in uh Santa Clarita to to her healing rooms. There was a prophetic tugof-war over these rich people and I think that rich people experience this a lot in these movements. And of course **[198:12]** you do. Of course there's, you know, when you have a lot of money, people will be interested in you because of your money. It's like with online you have a lot of followers, people are interested in you because of your followers, not because of any other reason. It's weird. It creates weird unreal social relationships sometimes. And I don't like any of that stuff. But when you add the prophetic element to it and you add, "Oh, I'm giving you a special word of prophecy and God's calling you to do this." It becomes a highly manipulated spiritual abuse of rich people from these leaders. And that is what I believe happened. This is an **[198:43]** audio recording though I'm going to share with you now. Never before heard. Nobody's heard this really. Uh not publicly. This audio recording is that rich couple. There's a prophetic tugof-war going on and Stacy Campbell is in the car with them and she is going to warn them about Shawn BS cuz what Shawn wants them to move out to him. Stacy wants them to move out to her. Everybody wants them to move. They're the popular kids right now. So Bob and Sally are very popular. Now she gives him a warning. Now this is very important. This comes from 2022, **[199:14]** September or October. Keep in mind that Bethl has postured as though these things may or may not really be true. Who knows for sure? Only the Lord knows. This is what behind the scenes they knew. They knew very well what was true. So listen to this warning from Stacy Campbell and she tells you a whole bunch of stuff. Um and I'll let it play. I may pause it here and there. We'll see. >> Wolves is utterly and totally dangerous because he doesn't tell the truth. So this is from Chris Valatin **[199:48]** who I know because a an issue came up from one of Shan Boltz's from Shawn Boltz's that was very alarming and finally he couldn't take it so he told Patricia King who told Chay and who told Chris Valatin And uh I and Chris Valatin because Bethl was **[200:21]** very involved with John Wols because there everybody is believing for this greater works than Jesus has done type of prophetic that is in the Bible doing these things. And >> this is what I talk about revival culture. Um, some I could use a more technical term and call this the latter rain movement or the belief that there is going to be this incredible um, spiritual transformation. You guys have to understand this context to get the full meaning of what you just heard. There's going to be this amazing Pentecost 2.0. That's what Brian Simmons calls it. Pentecost 2.0. We're going to **[200:53]** do greater works than Jesus. We're going to do greater works than even the apostles. It'll be what what the church was always meant to be. This is what Bethl's always marching towards. So when you have this need and you've been preaching this to your people and you get a faker like Sean, he's extremely useful in stirring up your crowd and getting people to flock to your church. They're going to move to your fellowship because this is the hot spot where it's happening. So that sets the stage for why he was so important. uh why they were so hopeful about Shawn, why they were so ready to **[201:23]** receive and promote him because they have an unbiblical expectation prophetically about the future of the Christian church that leaves them open and they teach this to their people. Leaves them more open to frauds, spiritual frauds. I I hope that that makes sense. I do believe that that's very important to understand. All right, let's let's go back to the recording. The bottom line so far is everybody knew. Everybody knew. Patricia King, that recording I told you about, guess what? It was real. A separate witness came to me and gave me this completely independently where they're admitting it. Patricia King knew, Chayon knew, **[201:54]** Chris Valatin knew. Guess what? This was not secret. Well, it was secret to us, not to the elites. >> We're in that era where I think it's going to start, but there's always a burnt earth prior to. And so uh um so on Monday, >> she's looking through her phone, I believe, here looking for specific messages so she could read them out loud between her and Chris. August 22nd, I reached out to Chris because I know so **[202:24]** Chris so Shawn Boltz is who traveled with Sean Bolts um told these gross stories of sexual immorality of Shawn Bolts and that when he traveled with Shawn Bolts, Shawn Bolts would. >> Yeah, you're going to hear it uh very clearly here. Um **[202:54]** I'm not going to censor out what she's about to say. So now what you're going to hear from Stacy Campbell, she's alleging these things are true. And I think that when you combine this together with all the other evidence we've seen, it really raises the credibility of all of it. All of it being true. Right? There's what you don't hear from any of the leaders or the text messages or the conversations is anybody saying that Sean's actually innocent. No. What you see is them responding as though they believed it was real. Now, I'm not going to censor this. I'm just going to play it as is. There's going to be some descriptive **[203:25]** stuff in here a little bit. Um, so you guys should be aware. >> Masturbate in front of him. It made him very uncomfortable and walk naked in front of him, you know, to not wear clothes and he's a guy. And so finally he couldn't take it and he went and told other leaders because he didn't know what to do. Patricia reached out and told you know **[203:56]** tried to talk to Shawn. Sean would not talk to her. So she talked to Chay and Chase said because Shawn said I'm under Chay's leadership. So don't talk to Chris because they were having an irregularity. and Sean um said to Chris, "I'm not under Bethl, I'm under Chay." And Chay tried to talk to him that it didn't go. So I said, "Okay, **[204:27]** here's the back and forth as I understand it um from talking to witnesses apart from this recording was that um the initial thing was Patricia thought, "Yeah, Chay's going to do this. He'll take care of it." And according to Stacy Campbell, Sean says, "I'm under him. That's who I'm under." And it didn't go. I don't know what that means. Um, then Chay says, "You should have Chris do." And I'm actually going to share with you guys a screenshot. I'll I'll just share it now. Um, screenshot from Patricia King emailing **[204:59]** one of the victims. And she says on April 7th of 2020, "I'm so sorry to hear about this. I'm not sure I can help any more than I have." This is when Bethl's currently investigating Shawn and stuff. He says, "Chris told me that there are guys working with Shawn. I think he mentioned Danny Silk and one other maybe Bob Hassel, which I think she means Bob Hassan who was on Sean's board and co-authored a book with him. Um, should you try to communicate directly with Chris sharing your disappointment, which ultimately he he did? From what I **[205:30]** understand, Shawn has not offered you an apology. So, if this is being dealt with, I believe that would be a first step for Shawn's turnaround. That might be a place where you could start. She's giving him advice, but he's looking for someone to be a voice. I honestly don't know what else I can do. Right? You you you make a video and you say, "Hey guys, here's what I found out." And then you add your credibility and the strength of your testimony to these people who are ultimately relatively powerless in your movement. You said, "I recorded your story and submitted it to Shay who uh who told me to connect with **[206:01]** Chris. I CC Chay into my emails to and from Chris. Chris said he had guys assigned. I'm deeply saddened. Uh, in the private conversation, it's very much like, uh, I care about you. I'm concerned about you. I want you to do well. In the public, actual things. Um, nobody nobody publicly called him out. So, it's not as though there was there was like a callous, I don't care about what you're going through. That wasn't said. There was just coverup culture prevents them from taking any actual actions **[206:31]** to be a voice for the victims. That's the problem. It takes them, it keeps them from speaking aloud to the people who hate, who they assisted in deceiving so that they might come out of those deceptions because that would hurt the prophetic movement worldwide supposedly. Okay. So, she goes on, she reached out Monday, August 22nd. >> Reached out on Monday, August 22nd. So, this was over a year ago. I've known this baby too. And I said, "Has there been and so Chris Valatin flew." So, I know this from Chris's direct mouth. He **[207:04]** said, "I flew to Shawn Boltz I on my own dime and I spent the entire day saying Shawn and Shawn denied everything and basically tried to make the other guy a liar." But the other guy was so broken. And to have a Christian leader masturbating in the same room as you and walking naked, you know, I mean, that is while you're in the room with him. So on **[207:34]** August 22nd, I reached out to Chris and said, "Has there been any restoration with Shawn Bolts?" Because Chris, their great desire is always to restore fall miners. again that great desire it it has frequently or at least in my opinion number of times turned into reenabling abusers. So this this desire the Bethl has to restore fallen leaders which itself is a good desire. It doesn't play out without coverup culture. That's the problem. **[208:08]** Let me get smaller. All right. And it's part of the history of Shiloh that when they fall and Shawn was directly under Paul King who also was accused of homosexual acts and the Haitian groups took him in and put somebody on him day and night. >> Paul Kane was accused of specifically targeting his employees with homosexual **[208:38]** behaviors. Think about that. >> So that he could not sin again. Because once a person has been abused by a person in authority that they look up to, they're devastated for the rest of their life. Like it is like and so Chris response from Chris. This is just the text I will then send you. Hi Chris. Has there been any restoration with Shawn? This is definitely not **[209:09]** Shawn. I said, "Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate you responding because I know that Shawn is now being asked by Georgian, etc., but Chris said Shawn will never come to Bethl again because of his lack of humility and repentance." >> Chris also said, "As far as I know, it's alleged." So, this Georgian Banov guy, this is a guy that invited Shawn to speak. This is after these things were known. Uh, and everybody in their circles, their **[209:39]** leadership circles, they're all like telling each other about it, you know, and Chris is supposedly warning warning a lot of people. Um, George and Banov was was scheduling Sean to still speak at this prophetic training event. I'll I'll share more about in a minute. >> And then this is the next one from his email. So I sent him an email cuz I didn't know he got my question. So Julie, **[210:21]** Julie asked me because she sent me the email where Georgia was having come to a conference. She said, "Has there been any >> um this is the conference per their website, Shawn did end up speaking at this George and Banov conference in March and April of 2023. It was several weeks long along with Stacy Campbell and many others, Heidi Baker, James Gaul, Barbie breathe it. **[210:53]** Right now, I'm not saying all these guys knew about Certainly some of them did. Certainly some of them did. Certainly Stacy Campbell did. She went and did the same conference. The same conference that she's like, "Ah, George is still going to have him." Shawn Bulls is dangerous. He's d she's warning the rich people because she wants their wallets, I think. And yet there is no warning that goes out to the rest of the people at that conference like they're not that important. Insane. >> Restoration Sean. **[211:25]** Let me check. Hi Chris. Chris. Hi Chris. I was wondering if there's been any updates **[211:57]** with and anyway difficult to tell if there's only one car but essentially and I can like read them all. He said no. He said but definitely not Sean. He said, "As far as I'm concerned, Sean Holmes is a deceiver, and I will not have a back where I'm trusting. And so, I'm **[212:27]** concerned for you because I love you. I'm giving you the warning that he's dangerous. His behavior is bad. He's been caught red-handed. He's unrepentant." >> I got to remind you guys, this is September or October of 2022. It was less than a year later. It was like March or something maybe of 2023 when Bill Johnson went and endorsed Shawn's book and Shawn on TBN. **[212:57]** >> But you wrote that this was one of the most exciting books that you had read. Why was that? >> Um, well, the book by itself is incredible. Knowing the life that backs it up adds a a power to it because it's so it's so practical. It's it's what you dream of. It's like if if you could see if you could have a perfect relationship with the Lord and see its impact on humanity, that's what it would look like. >> Chris says he's a deceiver. I will not allow him to minister here publicly. Says, as far as I know, it's alleged. **[213:29]** Bill goes and endorses him, but they distance themselves. Their ministries are separate. So, what does this look like? Coverup culture. >> And this was August 22nd. So, this is new. It's not old and recent. And I know you're calling to invest in the prophetic and you're amazing. But I'm just asking you to pray about your heart. Thank you in that because he's to be **[213:59]** he's not only dangerous for the body of Christ and a lot of times the people that affiliate with him go down, they go down. >> Aha. He's dangerous to the body of Christ, but we're not warning them. But you, we don't want you to affiliate with him. So, you're part of the the inner circle because of your wallet. So, you I love you. I want to protect you. I care about you're the special ones. But like Elijah Stevens, he wasn't the special one, right? He to me he is, but **[214:31]** he wasn't. Uh to the Lord, he is, but he wasn't to the leadership at Bethl. Um, but uh, Jubilee Dawn, who experienced great harm because of Shawn, connected to Shawn for for sure. Um, not special enough, not important enough. I love you. I want to protect you, so I'm warning you about Shawn. Only counts to the elite because that's the culture of coverup. It's a cast system. Okay. In this next clip, Stacy talks about a document allegedly showing Shawn Bull's faked prophecy by data mining **[215:02]** Facebook and Google. This is a document we have not seen that has not been released publicly. I've asked for it. They spread it around to each other. They just wouldn't show you by didn't feel good. So what he did was he voted the names of every person Sean Woods was prophesying and then went on their Facebook pages and every single bit of information **[215:33]** prophesying. You could find it on page find and there was nothing that was prophesying that was that was from unknown revelation. It was holding on. And so he sent me a document only 20 pages long. This is what Sean said. This is on the front page of their Facebook pages. This is on the second page. If you Google the person that their is their son that you **[216:05]** find that you know I mean it it just it was all there and it was highly incriminating order of law and he was also also tried to confront him and Shawn made him the bad guy. >> They knew that there was a guy who tried to confront Shawn years ago and that Shawn made that guy into the bad guy and none of these people were helping and defending him. I think they might be talking about Jason Smmedley. I'll be sharing a a tweet. He he replied to me **[216:36]** recently on Twitter and I I would had been wanting to talk to him for a long time. I'll be sharing something he said this guy tried to expose Shawn and Paul Kaine came after him and made him the bad guy, right? Um he suffered greatly because of this stuff. He says he's convinced that the leaders all knew Sean was faking for a long time and they just didn't care. That makes a lot of sense to me. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. So that she might be talking about him. I don't know. But it makes a lot of sense. When a bully **[217:08]** does that pushes off their sin, that's grossest to me cuz you get a chance to fall on the rock falls on you. So I trust them. He doesn't. **[217:45]** You might be interested to know that Stacy Campbell talked a lot of dirt about a lot of different leaders with this couple. Um, she seems to have something on everybody, but that's the Shawn BS information. What she didn't tell the couple was that she was going to be attending the dream interpretation and seer realm master class with Shawn BS and George and Banov not too long after she had this conversation. So, there she is. We've got Shawn there. You've got Stacy **[218:15]** Campbell there. You've got Tommy Ariomi there. Some of you might know that name. James Gaul there and George and Banov, Heidi Baker. How deep does it go is the question. I don't know. I don't know. But I know that the trust should be broken when it comes to this sphere of leaders. You should not trust their discernment and you cannot shop your discernment out to them. And you don't want to follow their culture because it's a culture of cover up. After this, after this is when Bill **[218:48]** Johnson went on TBN and endorsed Shawn BS after all of this, >> knowing the life that backs it up adds a power to it. >> Why wasn't Shawn BS exposed? Um because none of the leaders that the people were asking for help would help. They wouldn't have stopped these people from going public. Most likely, they wouldn't have tried to stop them, but they don't want to be part of it. They're not going to be connected to it, and they're not going to help them do it. and they won't provide them with the safety and covering that they will need because guess what happens when you go public like someone already tried as Stacy Campbell said Shawn BS makes them the bad guy makes them the villain because **[219:20]** Shawn obviously has much more weight even now has much more weight in these circles than some random person who's trying to blow the whistle on him. You need the leaders to lay their life down to protect the sheep. That's just what's required. So Chayon backed off, Chris backed off, Patricia King backed off. It's ultimately there's nothing they can do. They're powerless supposedly. Now, I've talked to the sources, my several different sources, a number of different people, and they all seem to agree, pretty much all the ones I've asked about it, agree on one idea, and that is the idea that it was ultimately Bill Johnson that stopped Shambles from being **[219:51]** exposed, that it was not something Bill wanted to happen. And remember that Bill is the one who openly endorsed him after the fact. So, let me say this next thing very carefully. I'll read this out to you. I believe that the problem is way bigger than what we know. that if any one of these leaders just came out and exposed the fakers and abusers that they know about, there would be so many. It would be devastating and that's why they won't. So why wasn't Shawn exposed? Why didn't they warn everyone? Why only warn the rich people and the leaders and then **[220:22]** distance yourselves and not tell the public? You know, Bethl talked to some of the same witnesses I have that they interviewed some of the same people that I've talked to that they knew this stuff. It's crazy. So what does it mean when you distance yourself but you don't warn the people? It means you're not protecting the sheep. It means you might be concerned about your own protection and reputation. It means you might be worried about logical outcomes that if if we have the kind of culture that calls this guy out, who else are they going to call out? Am I going to get called out? And that's a scary thing. But that's what 1 Timothy 5:19 and 20 **[220:53]** says, that's my theme verse for this series of exposure and coverup culture stuff is it says, "Rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear." Yeah. I'm worried about if I hold others accountable, people might hold me accountable. But I'm supposed to be worried about that. Like I should live with that fear because there is accountability in the body of Christ for us. Now, we need to talk about the trigger video. First, I need to take a little break. I've been talking too much. **[221:25]** This is the second day I have tried to spend recording this. The first day all the footage didn't work and had a glitch. Let's talk about the trigger video. The trigger video was December of 2023. This is a video created by Shawn BS where he goes on to TBN and on YouTube and wherever else he puts his stuff and he's going to tell other people how they can deal with leaders who abuse them. This triggered people who he had abused in the past or hurt in the past and **[221:57]** they decided to make more noise. Okay, this triggered another round of people asking for BS to be held accountable and this was December of 2023 when this happened. So, it's a disturbingly ironic video. I'm going to play several clips from it. Sean has deleted it from the internet, but the internet never forgets. So, here it is. very interesting subject, a prophetic perspective, and a teaching that I think is going to really help you, especially if you've been one of those who's experienced the moral failure of a pastor or a person who should have spiritual authority over you. God's been **[222:29]** judging the churches and pastoral failures and ministries. And there's a lot of collapsing right now. And I can make a list of names of people who have had a ministry or personal failure that were public figures in the church over the past few years. And it'd be a very long video. We >> It'd be a very long video. it imply I think he means a list of people who've failed and fallen. Um because there is more accountability now than there ever has been. Um Sean in this video you can already see it. He's he speaks as though he's like squeaky clean or at least clean of the types of **[223:00]** things that he's dealing with here. And I'm telling you, if there was ever a moment when Shawn BS was able to actually prophesy something, it was here and it was unintentional. The stuff that he says in this video, it's eerie and ironic and disturbingly ironic where he counsels people on how to deal with leaders who have abused them. And imagine yourself as you watch the rest of this with me, imagine if Sean had done a prophetic grift on you. He looked **[223:30]** you up online. He prophesied to you. And then he gave you instructions that changed your life and and in in ways that were not always good. And then you find out it was a lie. It was deception. It was manipulation. It was the worst kind of blasphemy. Imagine that you were one of his employees who he sexually harassed and dominated in in disgusting ways that took you a long time to recover that you had to get counseling and it was really rough. And then he makes this video. >> You've never seen so many ministries that have senior leaders or someone within their senior team in a prominent **[224:01]** position go through such public moral failures and disgrace. There's so many victims that have been left out just out in the cold because of this. There hasn't been a good process in a lot of these places or institutions to help victims or families of the victims. But God is judging the church. He's actually judging the church where he's exposing things that need to be corrected because he's a good father. And a good father wouldn't leave their children in a place where they're being abused. A good father wouldn't leave his children in a place where things don't have justice or do you see the cry? Like it's crazy **[224:32]** ironic. Talk about being able to present this video in a new context. See, one of the requirements for fair use for me to be able to play someone's video is is it's transformative. Well, this is transformative, man, because this is commentary on you and you didn't you you didn't see it that way. You didn't know it that way. But this is eerie. Um God's judging the church. There's a lot of accountability. God's dealing with people. Yes. Yes, he is. And you're one of them. That's the thing, Sean. You're one of them. But when your victims saw this and when your the people you hurt saw this, they couldn't stand it. And they and they **[225:04]** went from being quiet and hoping the leaders would deal with it and the leaders who distanced themselves and protected themselves and didn't protect the people. When when those leaders did that and the people remained quiet, they saw this video and thought, "That's it. That's it. We need to go public. We need to talk to somebody. We need to we need to make more noise." This was Sean digging his own grave. >> Consequences. But then there's people who've been walking with God and they know that their no should be no. They know their yes should be yes and yet they choose something like an affair to embezzle money to um use their position **[225:34]** of spiritual authority wrongly. And God judges this. And when God judges this, he exposes it and he takes away spiritual authority. Yes. Which is why you need to quit your ministry and stop making prophetic. This is so ironic. It's a prophetic video. I'm going to give you a prophetic perspective on uh uncovering this sin in the church and abusive leaders and stuff and dealing with that. It's insane that he's doing this while talking about this. >> And he actually allows the person who's doing it to go through a season of misery. I think I look at it sometimes **[226:06]** as like a spiritual jail. I'm taking my grace off your life in this season because you are not partnering to me and now you violated people around you. turns into these dark spaces get darker and corrupted and then bad behaviors that are immoral and illegal happen. And >> now he's going to say even in this video he's like I'm not I mean I haven't done anything I've made mistakes but I've never done anything like illegal or whatever. He distances himself from this which infuriates of course the sexual harassment from his employees. That's illegal dude. That's definitely illegal. **[226:37]** >> Again that's why I think God has to ultimately expose these things. He will not let his people be subject to this evil forever. Like at some point he's going to expose people who do this. And I used to deal with a lot of pastors who were going through moral failures and going through things and then also the victims of those situations. What one of the common grounds that I saw was as so he's presenting himself as somebody who's been in a lot of these scenarios and he's he's dealt also with the victims of these scenarios. Do you believe that? Isn't this the guy that sicked Paul Kaine on the guy that was **[227:07]** trying to expose him for his fraudulent ministry? that they had an issue where they couldn't be vulnerable with their sin. And so then it just kept compounding and compounding. And then once they've committed enough sin, how do they share? Because they've not tracked with anybody for now years. How do they blow this up without it becoming a bomb in their whole family and their whole church? And so it's better to hide. This is not the way of the kingdom. This is not how God works. And I've had behavior I've had to repent of and confess my sins of. Anybody has. anybody, especially in **[227:38]** leadership positions, there's times when you did something too long. I'm not saying I did anything I can go to jail for, whatever, but there's times you did something too long that you shouldn't have done. Any pastor has done that. Any leader has done that. So, he only has done common leader mistakes. That's that's what he wants to make sure is clear in this video. I I've done things I had to repent of, but only like normal leadership kind of mistakes and problems. Dude, there ain't nothing normal about the stuff you've done. There's nothing normal about that stuff. You see why this was the trigger video? why this caused people to to call up Bethl again. Another round of calling up **[228:08]** people. >> Maybe it's a Matthew 18. Somebody comes to you and confronts you and you don't respond to that confrontation and it ends up being something that's publicized and you never really change in your heart. There is a final condemnation where you're turning your back on Jesus. You're turning your back on the core principles of truth. And that's a scary place to be. Especially if our disobedience is causing others to sin or others to be oppressed. God will expose that somehow. his most prophetic moment. Sean **[228:40]** unintentionally declaring what was going to happen to him. Our life will not go well. I do want to tell you that we have in our ministry, we have a lot of resources and materials. I have books that have become bestsellers on hearing God's voice and even for children. We have a prophetic parenting kit coming up. But something got disappointed in you because of a man, because of >> I just wanted to include the advertisement in there just to have a prophetic parenting book. Everything's prophetic with Sean, right? cuz he's the prophet. He's the He's the golden boy prophet of the of the next revelation of God's incredible power in the church, right? The Pentecost 2.0. And so **[229:10]** everything's prophetic. Prophetic update, prophetic news commentary, prophetic parenting. Um, and so he plugs that and he's selling his book as well in this video. >> A woman, because of a pastor, because of a leader. And I feel like God wants to heal the disappointment in humanity and he wants to reappoint our faith in him. So my prophetic word is everything in leadership that can be shaken is getting shaken. and we're watching it right in front of us >> now. It was already happening. Like this this is a a a something that everybody knew was already going on as far as it shaking goes. But this this was the **[229:42]** trigger video. Okay. This was December of 2023. December of 2023. Which led to another round of in particular one of my witnesses reaching out a different one than before than he was who was texting with Chris, right? Reaching out to Bethl and going there needs to be accountability. There needs to be something something needs to be done. Um, so here's some of the things that happened. This witness, uh, he met with Bill Johnson personally. Bill was incredibly loving and incredibly kind according to him and it felt nice to **[230:14]** meet with him. They spoke without identifying Shawn by name and just said that he'd been hurt by leaders. And what a what a surreal environment where you're sitting there with Bill and you don't for some reason socially it's just it doesn't his name doesn't even come up. His name doesn't even come up. What is that? How do you not How do you not address his What is this, Bill? What is this thing you're doing, Bill Johnson? His name doesn't even come up. Why is it because you wanted to separate him from this guy? Let's just Let me see **[230:44]** if I can just massage this guy, make him feel better, and then he can go away because our private conversations can I can say anything I want publicly. I won't actually call this guy out. So, it was a nice private conversation. They spoke without identifying Shawn and just said that my witness had been hurt by leaders. Bill prayed for him and Bill repented on behalf of leaders in general with this individual. There was no public accountability. That was in 2023. That was right after uh this. **[231:17]** Then on January 10th in 2025, something happened that changed things again. And that thing is the minor prophets. The minor prophets. That that's the name of a YouTube channel. They're not saying that they're prophets. Um the Minor Prophets YouTube channel. They came out and they made a video called Well, the thumbnail says, "Everyone knows Shawn BS faked it and no one will talk about it." And this is the first **[231:49]** credible credible within the charismatic community exposure that happened with Sean that I'm aware of that I I would say this was this was the one that like tipped it over. This caused Bethl alumni to start saying, "What is up?" People who had been to their school of supernatural ministry, they're reaching out. They're asking for people to comment on this. People are calling for Bethl to comment. The reaction was huge. This was the first major charismatic exposure of Shawn. The thumbnail says what it says, right? And they suffered great reputation damage. Um, the guys **[232:20]** that did this, they they suffered. So, they had a voice. They actually have some platforms. They're actually in ministry positions, but they also suffered because they called out Shawn because the other leaders wouldn't call him out. So, anyway, that's how it always is. Then, Bethl, a month later comes out with a statement. And we're going to read that statement. Bethl's February 2025 statement comes out and I'm I'm going to pull it up here. Um, now for the first time, for the first time, people have the whole background, the whole backstory. You **[232:51]** know, the conversations with Chris, you know what was said behind the scenes by Stacy Campbell. Um, you know, all of these things. So now when I read this statement, you will understand why it was not very good. Okay, this was B Bethl's statement on Shawn BS to alumni. They only gave the statement out to alumni. It was not sent to the world. was just sent to people who had attended their school. February 3rd statement. Dear alumni, we know this feels very late for some of you. Sorry this has taken so long. We're aware that a conversation is happening regarding Shawn BS and our confrontations with him **[233:21]** that took place more than 5 years ago, right? Cuz minor prophets showed some of the evidence I've shown. They didn't have all of it, but they showed some of it. We have delayed in an effort to reflect our recollection accurately as the issues are important and complex. Right. Shambles had ministered with us many times for many years and had a great impact on our house. If it was fake, it wasn't great. We deeply valued and trusted him and appreciated his prophetic gift. Many of us have received important accurate prophecies and words of knowledge from him prior to social media being so **[233:53]** pervasive that we had great confidence in. Bill says that he would replay prophecies from Shawn on his cell phone. And I have video of Shawn doing his grift on Bill Johnson. I'll I'll share that later. This video is going to be so long. In 2019, some significant concerns came to us from respected international leaders regarding irregularities in Shaun's word of knowledge gift. 2019, you guys knew in 2015 and 2016 and 2017, **[234:23]** and you're simply not acknowledging it. Why? Oh, it wasn't a respected international leader. It was just normal folks trying to raise the alarm and they don't they don't count, I guess. who knows what the reason is, but it but they knew before that. They knew for all I know they knew in 2008. For all I knew that they they they knew about all this stuff all along. And they know that there's fakery. For all I know, the gold dust is something that they know in intentionally knowingly put into their air ducts or wherever just so that they could get um all the people to **[234:56]** come out to Bethl where they could get their special anointings. In 2019, some significant concerns came to us from respected international leaders regarding irregularities in Shawn's word of knowledge gift that caused them to wonder if he may have been using social media to generate them. We believe that these concerns and the evidence to support them were gathered and shared in good faith and out of concern for the global church. Who cares how they were gathered? What if they were gathered by like evil atheists who just hate you guys? The the question is whether they're true or not. That's the question. The the good faith thing is like let's stop analyzing all the **[235:27]** witnesses. Maybe they maybe they've got ulterior motives. Okay, we should know that, but that doesn't mean that what they've said isn't true. Their presentation of over a dozen words amongst the hundreds he's given was a small sample size, but regardless was validly concerning and needed to be addressed for some of our team. For some of our team, the evidence felt conclusive, but for others, it was not. We did not have a consensus, but we were very concerned and sought to clarify from him. **[235:58]** who didn't think it was true. Cuz I understand hypothetically that Danny Silk in the confrontation looked at Shawn and said, "You're a liar." In that very conversation, Chris says, "I don't trust him. He's a deceiver. I won't let him minister. He's not welcome at Bethl." But here we have for some of our team, this is what the public does not get the truth. the public could get the massaged PR read by a lawyer first message for some of our team. No consensus. Two **[236:29]** of our leaders met with Shawn on two separate occasions about this. Chris flew down from his meeting with Shawn at Bill's Bill Johnson's request. Our leaders also met with Shawn's board and shared the evidence and our concerns. Actually, according to Chris, your leaders said, "You guys should pull Shawn out of ministry. He's guilty. I don't know why you guys aren't doing it." That that's that's what Chris said to one of the victims. Was that true? Each time Shawn absolutely denied using any social media in his words of knowledge or prophecies, Shawn still maintains he never used social media in **[236:59]** any words. And truthfully, unless some something changes, only he and the Lord really know what took place. That's not what you said in private. This is deceptive, is it not? Am I not right in believing that this was this is an intentional deception to the body of Christ from Bethl Church regarding prophecy, regarding their leadership, regarding how they've handled uh situations behind **[237:31]** the scenes, cover up culture. We ended up in a stalemate without a satisfactory resolution of our concerns, without definitive proof, repentance, and or team consensus. We made no public statement because we weren't sure. I thought that Chris said he warned all the leaders that that he told all the people who asked him about Shawn's antics and that Shawn wouldn't repent and it was shameful. This is going to get worse. Let's keep reading. It just actually gets worse. **[238:02]** The leaders who previously investigated and gathered the evidence were of course free to do what they thought best going forward. Is that even true? Really? Were they free? I I think that they would have known. Here's my conjecture. I admit this is conjecture. I think they would have known. If we publicly call out Sean, Bill Johnson is not going to be happy and you do not want an angry bill at you. He will passive aggressive you and you will disappear from your effective your effective ministry will just will just be shrunk. Um that that is what my conjecture is. I do think it's it's **[238:36]** likely. Around the same time, one of Shawn's employees made allegations concerning inappropriate behavior and unacceptable work environment. Inappropriate behavior and an unacceptable work environment. Is that does that sound like what he was alleging? That is so softened. And it is not just one of Sean's employees. There are multiple. There are a number of them. And they could have had many, many of them to interview and discuss with if they had bothered even trying. But they didn't. They didn't. Though Shawn was not and is not under our authority, one of our leaders found **[239:07]** another impacted former team member went to Shawn and confronted him on those issues over several difficult conversations and admonished him that this behavior was completely unacceptable and that he should take responsibility. He indicated to us that the behaviors that had taken place had stopped. Right. Right. That's going to go in the letter. Hey guys, Sean says he stopped the vague behaviors of in unacceptable work environment and inappropriate behavior. Now, in the initial release of **[239:37]** this letter, this letter Bethl had he they sent it over to to some of the guys some some of Shawn's former employees and they saw this and they were really bothered in the vague vague language that they used to discuss what Shambles did with them. And so they were like, you need to call this sexual harassment. You can't just say it was unacceptable work environment or inappropriate behavior. You need to use the phrase sexual harassment. So here was Bethl's next draft and the one that went public. It said, "Though we are not experts, these behaviors seemed to fit the **[240:07]** descriptions of sexual harassment and a hostile work environment as commonly taught in HR training and had potential legal ramifications. It's it's a technicality here. It seems to appear possibly could be, you know, but he indicated to us that they' stopped. But you know this is shameful. This was included at their request. That's what I was told. Um and the and the statement was if you don't if you don't call it sexual harassment, we're going to take our group of people and we're going to go public, Bethl. We're going to go public. You know what Bethl **[240:39]** should have done with those group? They should have said, "Let's help you go public. Let's help you tell the truth about what happened." Instead, they did this sick little cover-up culture thing. This is currently on their website even now. We recommend we recommended they take action in seeking a remedy through the justice system such as the labor board, arbiters or courts as there was no real movement from Shawn to address the past situations and we had done what we could given the limited level of knowledge that we had at the time. That's deceptive. We spoke to his board regarding this area of concern. Spoke to his board. You you claim that you asked **[241:10]** the board Christa we implying that Bethl asked the board to take Shawn out of ministry and then when he wouldn't do it you didn't warn people. Romans 13 teaches us that God has placed civil leaders in a place in place as ministers of God for the kinder for the kinds of issues his former team members brought to us. Now the reason they're including this I think is because in the leaked text messages Chris counsels him maybe you should sue him. If he hadn't said that in the text, I don't think they would have included this in the letter here. So, he was trying to explain like, why would you say sue **[241:41]** Shawn? Now, here they're trying to make it sound like, no, no, no, like, you know, Romans 13, this is just about civil leaders and da da da. Um, so I think it's about that. Furthermore, their experience was absolutely important and personal and as such was their story to tell, not ours, and to take action if they desired. This is a cowardly thing to say. They came to you guys for help. You you should have helped them tell their story. You should have put out a warning as you were requested to by in the text message conversation by one of the victims who was like, "Can you guys just put out a **[242:12]** statement? Can Bethl just put out a warning? Can you guys please tell the story?" They asked you to help them tell their story. And you're like, "No, no, no. It's only for you to tell. Only for you." Meaning, no one's going to help you. This is the general context to which Chris was speaking in the text messages that were posted on social media. Did you hear that? This is Bethl confirming that those are real text messages. Those are real and they're confirming it here. I don't know if they realized this was the what was going to happen with that. They've confirmed now that those that text conversation was legit, which means that what that guy that sent them to me was real and he **[242:43]** sent me even more than the stuff that they had seen. This is all real. Corroborating evidence. Shawn was a trusted guest minister who spoke often on our platform. If Shawn worked for us or was truly or officially under our covering, the situation would have been handled much differently. this phrase, if Sean worked for us or was truly or officially under our covering. This like idea of a spiritual covering. Shawn referred to them at points as their mother church. Shawn called him a spiritual son or excuse me, Bill called him a spiritual son reportedly and you **[243:14]** know it was Bill who put him on stage and he said Shawn is uh one of our most trusted friends. They introduced him as one of the most prophetic people on the planet. You have covered him. Now you need to uncover him. That's how this works. We would have not just appealed to Shawn if they felt a responsibility, which they did not. We would not just have appealed to Shawn. We would have required comprehensive and righteous response. Whether related or not, shortly after we addressed our concerns, it appeared that Shawn took steps vagory to adjust how he operated in words of **[243:46]** knowledge. He just recently spoke to some of the changes he's made, which can be found on his website here. This is Bethl doing damage control for Shawn BS. It uh we're going to read it. We're going to read it. Okay. This is what Shambles actually says in his statement that will supposedly talk about according to Bethl. It's very important we pay attention to the details. This describes how he took steps to adjust how he operated in words of knowledge. And he just spoke about that here. So here's Sean's website. We're going to read some sections from it. Statement of **[244:18]** community of commitment to prophetic integrity promoting healthy prophetic ministry. Ask yourself if this is Sean admitting anything, changing anything, altering anything. As a ministry, we would never condone and we would refute that we would ever find information online to prophesy over people because this has happened historically with a few individuals. There is suspicion that has been created and we have been accused of this several times, specifically from 2016 to 2019. What is this? This is **[244:49]** Shawn acknowledging that the allegations were go back at least as far as 2016. that the allegations go back at least that far. Again, confirming pieces of evidence. Notice that Sean says we when he's talking about Shawn. Shawn is the only guy they're talking about. We We We No, it's just you, Sean. He goes on, "When we when we were traveling full-time and modeling and teaching the body of Christ how to pursue the spiritual gift of the words of of words of knowledge, which hasn't had a lot of teaching around it up until this current generation, he's bragging. He's actually **[245:21]** bragging about his special unique ministry that is like you know it's something new. He's bringing you to the new level spiritually practicing points of our prophetic standards. Okay. So this is their standards. Again notice he confesses nothing but he words very carefully this letter that Bethl actually encouraged people to read. Put in their letter. Here we go. Make a little bigger for you guys. Yeah. All right. Notice what he says. **[245:51]** In 2019, there were a lot of questions about words of knowledge and the theology of the prophetic being directed at our ministry. These were important questions specifically around words of knowledge as well as some asking what are the boundaries of making prophetic predictions over relationships or finances, right? Because people made investment choices. Elijah lost most of his uh retirement because of Shawn. Um, I've talked to three different people who entered into marriages because Sean told them to um said it was God. Because **[246:21]** of these, we really wanted to define what we felt like would be the most healthy version of good boundaries and also clearly take a stand for what is a good word of knowledge. We decided, we meaning Sean, to change some of the ways that I minister publicly as well as how our teams that we have sent out would minister to create safety and health. Okay. So, here is a change that he made. He denies everything, but he changed anyways. Why? Because he's guilty. We as a ministry fight for the gifts of the Holy Spirit and their purpose in the body of Christ, **[246:53]** especially in the prophetic as part of what we think brings a well-balanced Christian life. We made several changes in our ministry team back in 2019 and my own personal public platform to help flow in the word of knowledge gifting without having as much room for criticism and doubt. Again, not change it because of guilt, change it because of criticism and doubt. This was about reputation control. That's it. So, they're talking about accusations and they're saying, you know, Sean made took steps to adjust how he operates in word of knowledge. The implication is he's taking steps because **[247:23]** he's done something wrong. He's fixing it. He's not fixing anything. We want to share some of these commitments and protocols our ministry adopted to help others who want to help share the genuine prophetic gift. So, here we are. Instead of I repent, here's what I did wrong. It's allow us to teach you guys how to live your life better with prophecy, the very thing that he abuses. Here are some of the standards we set in our ministry when it comes to practicing prophetic gifts so you can see what is important to our ministry. And hopefully it can help inform your own approach if you're new to this or help sharpen you **[247:54]** if you're unfamiliar with practicing the prophetic. We are consistently adjusting our ministry protocols to keep the people who the people we are called to minister to safe as well as the people who practice it. Most of these protocols were already being practiced, but we reinforce them and have held the line for years. Okay? So, he's godly, he's righteous, he's actually the example for others to follow. That's that's his that's his statement. Words of knowledge. We will not share any information that is obvious as a word of knowledge. meaning it can be **[248:25]** found online like birthdays, anniversaries, people's names, addresses in our prophetic words. Ask God for what 1 Corinthians 14 says is the secrets of the heart. In this way, people can have confidence that if a word comes, it came from God. Oh, so he he's not going to do what was the entire center point of his entire ministry. What was the foundation of his book? What was the reason he became the wonder child? That he the reason why his ministry took off, why people were seeking him out, why he was the most prophetic person, the most accurate words of knowledge I've ever seen. That's what what uh Chris Valatin had said about him. And he goes about **[248:57]** this policy. He says most of these protocols were already being practiced. We'vefor reinforced them and held the line for years. We will not share words of knowledge about someone's pain, relational issues, or anything negative publicly. Actually, you talked about people losing their children. You talked about people losing their family members, losing a mother. You used people's pain and loss to make yourself look like a prophet, Sean. And you're saying we will not, you know, he never says we we never have. They have. He says they've held most of **[249:28]** these all along. Not true. This is what Bethl has pointed people to. This is why people are upset that even when they brought out this thing where they're like, "Wow, they kind of brought a statement out, Mike. This is why the people who know what's going on are like, this is actually very bad, guys. It's actually very bad." It's easy to go to a place of inner it's it's easy to go to a place of inner healing or what is wrong. But if you're going to share these things in front of their family or friends, it can put them in a bad light or cause misunderstanding. We will not share words of knowledge about resources or finances publicly. **[250:02]** Publicly cuz Sean still does this finances and resources publicly probably to people he sees as money bags because it puts pressure on exposing someone's condition to people who aren't involved. People who have money can be pursued wrongly. You are very familiar with that. People who don't have it can become shamed. prophecy. We will not share prophetic words publicly that are about judgment or correction. That's an unbiblical rule. Actually, you shouldn't have that rule. We will not prophesy about romantic relationships with people who are not married. Oh, I wonder why you're **[250:32]** not going to do that anymore. Jubilee Dawn is the reason why. Cuz she went public and told everybody what you did to her. Shameful, man. You won't even repent. You won't even repent of it. We will not prophesy about business deals or contracts with specific groups or people or that finances or resources are supposed to be given away that are not yours. We will also not prophesy about business partnerships with specific people together or that someone will be working with someone else by name because it can cause confusion and manipulation. I remember the rich couple telling me about how this was happening **[251:03]** to them from you and others in your circle. We will not prophesy over people struggling with infertility by promising they will get pregnant. We will not prophesy conditional words. Unless you do this, this will not happen. No words with ultimatums. It it okay. I mean, God prophesies with conditional words all the time. So, I don't know. I don't know what that's about. Discernment. We will not share negative things we have discerned publicly about individuals or other believers. We will not share public discernment over individuals about the demonic. Really? Do you guys remember the video where he says that the attacks on him **[251:34]** was the biggest coordinated Jezebel spirit he's ever seen? What is that? That's his discernment about all the people like the bloggers, the people who made videos. They were attacking. That was the coordinated Jezebel spirit. That's what that was. That was him doing the very thing he says that they won't do. How long is this statement? I don't I don't think I can even even read this whole thing. This is super annoying. Sean BS, you guys can look at it yourself. Go to his web page. Currently, it's it's on the front page of his page. You can find it easily. Um, so we won't post Oh, this one I got to read. We will **[252:05]** not post internet videos or social media videos of our own prophecy over others. Guess what? Cuz it's just getting him in trouble. As soon as he posts a video, we're like, "Google, Google. Oh, look. There's them. There's their dog. There's their there's their their mom." And we find out the information was all readily available. He got busted. That's why. If they want to post it, let them. But it's their story, not ours. Unless they specifically give us permission. Remember, in the social media age, people who were against this kind of ministry may track them down and harass them. We are seeing such an increased **[252:35]** harassment of people who share their testimonies of our prophetic ministry that for their sake, we took them down so they can tell their own stories about us. Oh my goodness. Now, I would never harass anybody who was targeted and manipulated and deceived and abused by Shawn, but it's crazy. He's using them as a shield. He's adding insult to their injury and he's using them as a shield now. All right, that's here. Here he says something personally. I'll just read **[253:06]** this last part. Um, we have never had to correct our team in a big way for violating any of these standards because they are relational guards to keep everyone safe. Feel free to adopt them in your ministry team. Although I, Shawn BS, do do a uh do not do a lot of traveling ministry anymore. and our focus has turned to media/entertainment. I still want to help support the prophetic ministry and movement and steward my relationships that have been for over 30 years in this ministry in the healthiest way possible. This is our **[253:37]** commitment as a ministry to you and to the body of Christ. So Sean's comm commitment to them ultimately boils down to I'm innocent and and I won't do it anymore so please leave me alone. Is that how you read it? That's how I read it. And that's how it came off in Chris's text conversation with with one of the witnesses was like, "Hey, he won't clean up his mess. He won't admit it. He's guilty, but he's going to, you know, he's going to stop prophesying, right? Like he's he's he's going to quit doing a lot of these things." All he did, I believe, was move it to the private realm. No more videos. No more **[254:09]** public analysis. Privately, I'll do all my stuff, but publicly I'll only do these prophetic generic words and things that are harder to test. And so that's what he's done because he's going to get a going to do thetick as much as he can because the only time he gets views is when he does prophecy stuff for the most part. Let's read the rest of the letter from Bethl. In the absence of clarity about both what really happened and some of the words of knowledge and having addressed the issues with his former team members and found his response lacking, we made the decision to step back from our ministry connection. This **[254:40]** meant one, and here's where I believe they deceive people even more. We did not have him ministering to our people or movement or have his materials in our stores, though we missed some things until recently. Remember the text messages like, "Dude, his books are still in your stores." So, if Shawn gives a word of knowledge to people at Bethl and they carry that word and they live their life based upon that word, is he not actively ministering to your people in your movement unless you do something to undo it? They didn't do anything though. Number two, we communicated our concern, confusion, and **[255:11]** his denials to the leaders. Confusion. Wait, confusion? Did you tell the leaders you were confused or that Shawn was guilty? Cuz Chris made it sound like you told him that he was guilty, but you don't want to admit he's guilty now. Maybe because of Bill Johnson. And Bill Johnson's like, "No, you got to be nice to Shawn." So, the letter has to be written this way. This doesn't look like what happened. Stacy Campbell says says it, "Dude, Chris, eat me. I don't trust him." No, he I won't have anything to do with him. You didn't just communicate concern and confusion and his denials. **[255:44]** to the leaders who initially raised concerns about the words of knowledge with us as well as to leaders closely connected to Shawn and made the evidence available to them for them to make their own decision. You know, a leader, a leader that was closely connected to Shawn is Elijah Stevens who said, "Hey, I heard Shawn was faking these things. No, you guys haven't told me anything about this. Is it true?" And Dan Fairley like I don't know anything about it. And then Chris doesn't tell him. He doesn't tell him. He didn't give him the evidence. He didn't make it available to him. **[256:16]** This was all right. Number three, we firmly admonished and warned him and he responded by making some changes in both of these areas. What does that even mean, some changes? He just went underground with it, guys. We made it a clear goal or we made it clear that global leaders were concerned and watching closely. This is cloak and dagger stuff. What happened was global leaders just backed off of Sean because he's now lepous and there's people in the wings that might at any point expose him or Mike Winger might make a video about it **[256:46]** and use their use their testimonies and so we don't want to be around him because then we're going to get drug into it. Well, it's it's too late. You are drugged into it. These were all clear boundaries that produce some of the necessary changes. What does that even mean? 1 Timothy 5:20 and and are they necessary changes if you don't know if he's even guilty or not? How are they? This makes no sense. Are they necessary changes? But if he isn't guilty, then they're not necessary. You should be defending him. 1 Timothy 5:20, ah, this is the theme verse for this whole thing. It says, "To publicly **[257:18]** rebuke elders who continue in sin." We weren't entirely clear what was happening in the words of knowledge and unaware of the scope of his issues with his former team members, but believed he changed his behavior. Wait, what? We don't we don't know what we don't even know if he did anything, but but he changed. Was this schizophrenic? How did this how was this written? And the work environment going forward after our confrontation. So we didn't did not make a public statement. In the past, we've only brought public admonition to those outside of our organization in cases **[257:50]** where no acknowledgement and change has taken place after correction. There was no real acknowledgement and there was no proper change. Okay. Yes, it was some change. He's going to be not invited to our conferences anymore. There's a change. Sean just kept going though. Later on, he eventually stops doing the some of the videos and some of the stuff um publicly, but no, don't call that change. That's not fair. We empathize. We empathize with those who are confused and disappointed over this situation. I'm not confused. I am disappointed. We **[258:22]** feel the same. No, stop. You cannot put yourself in that role. This is a tender, confusing, and complex situation. As it stands, our trust in Shawn is still unrepaired. Having Why is it unrepaired if you don't know if he's guilty or not? Having privately admonished him, this letter is only intended to clarify the journey we are on. What did you admonish him privately? According to this letter, according to what Chris told others reportedly, uh we know what you admonished him about. It was uh you need to repent. You're you're messed up. You're a liar. You're just you've **[258:52]** deceiving people. Um and you can't have anything to do with this. But privately, according to this letter, the admonishment would be something like hey man, if you're guilty, you should probably do something about it. So this letter is only intended to clarify the journey we were on and the steps we've taken to given that it is now a wider conversation. Right? So confirmation that this letter is sent out as a as a I will call it a damage control method because it's all public now because people know because text messages privately given were sent out to the public and people were like you guys did **[259:22]** what what was going on behind the scenes. We receive and value the feedback that our actions may have been too subtle and difficult to decipher. They don't I don't think they realize how annoying it would be for people to read this document. It feels very much um gaslighty and that it would have been more helpful to at least openly acknowledge that we were creating distance with Shawn due to our concerns. We acknowledge we have more to learn in handling situations outside of our staff environment with greater clarity and have been working for the last several months on standardized **[259:53]** procedures for hearing and responding to concerns in order to create an even healthier church culture. I don't I don't trust that. Words of knowledge are a significant and important element of conveying the heart of God, demanding high levels of integrity, accountability, and responsibility. And our work environments and team relationships must be full of holiness, respect, appropriate behavior, and safety such that they reflect the joy and glory of God. We pray that the Holy Spirit brings wisdom, humility, comfort, and instruction to each of us. Signed, Bethl **[260:25]** leadership. They don't believe in the accountability and responsibility or the integrity part. I don't think you guys believe in that. I don't I don't believe you do. This came off to many people as very much damage control. Uh a lot of the alumni I understand were pretty upset with it. Certainly Sean's victims were upset. Certainly people like Jubilee Dawn or Elijah were certainly upset. This is deceptive even about Elijah. Really, really bad stuff. And again, the witnesses said if you don't put they they had the word harassment in there. **[260:55]** They said, "If you don't call it sexual harassment, we're going to go public." And then they put it in there with all the technicalities and caveats. So Bethl knew. He knew they knew and and and it's confirmed now through lots of different evidence. They knew about the sexual allegations against Shawn in late 2021 and into early 2022. For sure they knew about it by then. Danny reached out to one of my witnesses who confirmed it. So there was multiple witnesses as they mentioned in this letter. They confirmed that that is in fact true. Chris then confronted Shawn in 2021 and that's when **[261:26]** everybody started cancelling Shawn, right? When you have these people in the wings who were like, "Guys, can you go public? Patricia King, can you go public? Jayon, can you go public? Can you guys please go public?" So now there's this threat of things going public. And that is when that is when supposedly all this stuff really really went down. But there's Jason Smmedley. Now Jason experienced some of this stuff himself. Let me bring it up. He says the following. This is actually in a in a a post that just recently was made u where Jason says like he responded to me on **[261:57]** Twitter and I was very glad he did cuz I'd heard from other people about Jason and that Jason had in uh 2015 he started to record Shawn's words because he suspected that they were he was getting him off social media and then 2016 he's doing this more. He's starting to tell more and more people about it. And that is after that is when Paul Kane comes after him and here he talks about it. He says, "I was at Bethl back when they first gave Shawn a platform, and I'm 100% convinced they intentionally promoted him, knowing full well he was a false prophet. My experience confronting **[262:27]** this situation led to a nervous breakdown. Paul Kaine came after me. The whole thing was crazy." And Jason certainly has a story to tell. This video is too long, so I'm not going to try and do all that. But I will say I've been uh connected with him a little bit on on on on social media. We've been talking a bit and I do believe him. I heard about him months and months ago and I was so glad that he actually spoke out. There's emails and evidence that he has as well that maybe at some point will go public. That's up to Jason if he wants to do that. No pressure on you, man. You **[262:58]** you can just go on live with your live your life if you want. But I think enough has come out that people people can't hide it anymore. They understand that the Bethl statement was garbage. That Sean's statement was deceitful and manipulative um and not real. So here's my conjecture. I think Bethl is simply okay with a certain amount of faking of prophecy and of healings. I just I really believe this. I'm convinced of it. They just are okay with it. They don't mind. They **[263:28]** don't mind at all. And that is systemic in the charismatic movement amongst the people that are especially connected to Bethl. When you look at people like Jesus Image, you look at people like Morning Star and IHOP, there's just a willingness to be okay. I talked to uh John O'Hal who was a former leader part of IHOP and he told me that it was standard practice among the Kansas City prophets. These are like the foundation guys from Morning Star and Bethl and um uh and IHOP that the standard practice for these guys was that it was okay to be wrong 70% of the time it was simply **[264:00]** no big deal. This causes abuses. They see it as hamburger helper. I did my interview with Jediah Hartley where he talks about his dad who is Bob Hartley who is part of Bethl and part of IHOP and how he he not only was faking prophecy on the regular but that everyone does it and it's okay. It's hamburger helper is the phrase he used. >> And the theory was that my dad was 90% prophetic and then 20 or 10% was this **[264:30]** hamburger helper. That's what they used to call it. hamburger helper. Um, that was a term Bob Jones used, Mike Bickl used, other individuals used to talk about the sort of adding a little flavor to the meat to make it a more complete meal. That was the idea. Um, and so my dad would, it didn't take me, it took me until I was like in my mid20s before I grew like enough awareness to realize, no, the whole thing is fraudulent. It's **[265:02]** not 90% God and 10% man. It just the whole thing is a gimmick and be like just because everyone is doing this in the community doesn't mean that it's okay or it's right. The defense of this sort of prophetic um fraud for lack of a better word was that everyone did it. So his mentors Paul Kaine and Bob Jones uh **[265:33]** who were huge figures in the sort of prophetic movement um would do things like this. They would get information from non-ivine means and then they would pretend like it was from God. This was before the age of Facebook, but specifically Paul Kaine had a genealogy program that he had installed on his computer that he was would look up people's genealogy. And so he would have specific prophecies about grandfathers **[266:04]** and and lines. Like if you just had the name, you could kind of find very specific information. So, so one of the defenses that my dad gave was that everyone does it. The second was this hamburger helper defense, which was not to totally defend it, but it was to contextualize it. It was the idea was that it's not good. We shouldn't do it, but everyone does it a little bit. It's okay. It's just this idea of like the **[266:35]** meat is still God. Most of it is still God, but then we'll add some extra fabrication just to add a little sizzle. Prophecy is hard. It makes it more palatable for people. So, when you're caught with it, it's like, you're right. I should stop doing it. But it's not like this invalidates my entire ministry. This is some huge thing. It's kind of like, you know, getting caught speeding or something like that. It's like we **[267:05]** shouldn't do it. Yeah, >> but it's understandable and it makes sense. And Mike Bickl and Bob Jones would talk about it in the same way behind closed doors in front of in front of camera. Like Mike talked about it and he used it in a slightly more in a slightly different sense to be like there's a lot of fakers out there, but I don't pay attention to the fakers. I just pay attention to the people who are genuine. But that's not how it was used. It was everyone has a little of the fake and everyone has a little of the **[267:36]** >> because I know that I know the value of genuine manifestations. They're real. Again, I've seen and it hadn't happened to me, but I've seen people thrashed around and I've seen people thrown against walls and across rooms and and I've seen a lot of fake, but I've seen a lot of real. The real's worth it. I will allow the fake. I don't want the fake on the platform because I I don't want to promote the fake, but I'll allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine. I've had people say that over the years, you know, they said, you know, you know, I've had students, you know, some of this seems fake. I go, "It is." They go, "What?" I go, "Most of it's fake." Go, "What do you mean?" I **[268:07]** said, "I've been watching this 40 years. Most places that I've been, the majority of the manifestations are not caused by the Holy Spirit." They go, "Really?" But I said, "But the problem is not all fake." And the genuine is in our midst. And I will allow a whole lot of Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine take place. I said, "I won't promote it, but I will allow it because the genuine is so important to the kingdom of God." But that always throws off people if they're young and new at this. They go, "It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go just, you know, don't be so open-minded your brains fall out. You can understand that the real and the genuine and the fake **[268:37]** all exist together in one setting. And it's that way everywhere. There's nothing unique here. It's not any different here than anywhere. It's that way everywhere. I've I've been in revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings in many countries. So, I believe in prophecies, dreams, visions, healings. I've seen the manifestations of the Holy Spirit so powerful, so real. Some of them bizarre, but real. I've seen a lot of people fake them in our community. healings, dreams, visions, all that stuff. But you know what I do? I am so zealous for the real. I'm so hungry for the real that I don't get offended by what I call the hamburger helper and the **[269:10]** the addited extra. Some people fake them blatantly. Some people don't fake them. They're genuinely seeking them, but still the experience isn't real, though the people are genuine. There's all kinds of categories, but I am not throwing away the real because humans are involved. And there's some of that other stuff. >> For anybody who's still at this stage is thinking, you know, maybe he's right. Maybe it was like mostly real and only somewhat fake. You know, Mike was a guy of integrity and he really tried to steward well the prophetic. Allow me to **[269:41]** read to you from the Kansas City Star. This is about the independent investigation that showed Mike Bickl had 17 victims. This just recently happened and it came out, but he's been doing it for decades. I read here from the report of the Kansas City Star talking about the independent investigation. It says, "The 68page report names the woman identified as Jane Doe, whose allegations about Bickl were made public in October 2023, causing upheaval in the 247 global prayer movement, that's IHOP, and inspiring other women to come forward." Deborah Perkins said that **[270:12]** Bickl used prophecies to groom, sexually abuse, and manipulate her from 1996 to 1999, starting when she was 19 and he was 42. She said Bickl told her repeatedly that God had spoken to him saying his wife Diane was going to die and that they would then be married. This turns out to be something that Mike Bickl said to a lot of women and there are 17 victims, not witnesses, victims that have come forward uh in the report. I read on it says two other women later came forward and said Bickl used a nearly identical prophecy in grooming **[270:43]** them. Mike Bickl, he called it hamburger helper. It was much much worse than that. This was just standard practice amongst these core guys who became the foundation that has spilled over into modern day Bethl. I think that Bethl, Bill Johnson, these guys fully know that the regular faking of prophecy and healings is present. Now, I have more evidence. I'm going to present to you even today more evidence because this video is never going to end and I'm never going to go to bed and I'm **[271:13]** losing my voice and I'm not done yet. But I need to share it all and I hate making these videos. I'd rather just dump it all into one video and and move on. Um, but this causes abuses. This attitude of allowing the fakery of prophecy and the abuse of the people, the body of Christ, the abuse of your own people who follow you and trust you and look at you as as as you know, Papa Bill. This creates abuses for them because it creates a culture of cover up and turns people's eyes blind and causes people to then be raised up who are what that it means that the top leaders in the movements will always be frauds **[271:44]** because no one can compete with the number of miracles that a guy can who's faking can get. This is why Todd White can rise up in your environment and you don't correct him. This is why when people reach out and say, "Hey Bethl, will you help us hold Todd accountable?" You will never ever do it because it would undermine the whole house of cards. fake prophecy, fake miracles, fake healings, celebrate them as true. I'm not saying every prophecy is fake or every healing or every miracle sake. Not at all. I'm saying that the environment wherein you **[272:15]** encourage and embrace the fakery is an environment that is not honoring to Christ. It is harmful and dangerous to people and it raises up frauds in your midst. And it will always do it over and over and over again. You celebrate the fakes because that's what it takes. Who cares if those feathers are really angel feathers? Let's just pretend they are because man, people are flying to our church from all around the world now that they think that angel feathers are showing up in our building, that gold dust is materializing from thin air because of the glory cloud of God. I think you're okay with it being fake. I **[272:45]** think you don't mind, Bill. Chris, I think you don't care. I think there's some line people cross where you go, you know what? You're out, Sean. But is that line faking or is that line not faking well enough to get away with it? What are they really getting in trouble for? So Shawn wasn't exposed because it's so pervasive. And I think I believe that this is fed by revival culture. Um you have to have more miracles than the other church. You have to be the place where people want to visit. People have **[273:16]** to come to your place. This Jesus image does really works really hard to be like this is the hub. This is where the Holy Spirit's moving. Morning star. This will be the center of the new revival. God's going to start a revival in America. Bob Jones told us morning star is going to be the start. So people are supposed to move out there. Bethl, come to Reading. Bill, I I'll share a prophecy he gives here, a false prophecy encouraging people to move to Reading because they all want to be the place where people come. Right? Remember the rich people, come live with me. No, come live with me. God is calling you. Now, when you add to all of this Bethl's track record with things like the physics of heaven controversy or um with Brian Simmons and **[273:48]** the Passion translation and the ridiculous and silly and bad things that were done in relation to that, there's just problem after problem there. There is a network of fake prophecy going on in the movement. You've got Bob Jones who faked. I I'll have more stuff on Bob Jones in the future. You've got Paul Kaine. you've who just helped us to raise up and then defend Shawn BS and keep him from being exposed earlier on. Mike Bickl, you have William Brandham, you have Bob Hartley, you have Chris Reed, more on that who tried to bribe **[274:19]** the guys from the Remnant Radio when they were trying to expose him for being a fake prophet. >> But there is other allegations that we are aware of that have come to us. >> This will be news for the public. >> Be news for everyone. Nobody knows this. So you might have heard us online talk about knowing that someone has cheated prophetically. allegations were brought to us um from multiple sources. So, we had logged a bunch of information suggesting that Chris Reed had mined information online in his prophetic words. We were informed **[274:49]** that Rick Joiner knew about this data mining that that Chris had already confessed this even before taking the job at Morning Star. And so, we said, "Yeah, but what have you done to make it right with the victims?" But the there was a couple of other things that happened in this exchange. one, I got some really when when Chris he found out that I was asking questions about him that I was poking around. One of the people that I had interviewed and asked questions about called up Chris and told him what I was doing. Chris then sent me some really strange text. Hey, I know **[275:20]** that you're investigating me. Hey, I know that and and there was like a offer to give me money via PayPal, which is exactly what he did. >> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal, through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It was all those kind of things. And when we confronted Chris about that, he said, 'Well, you know, I just kind of had this idea that you're supposed to bless those who persecute you, and I felt like you guys were persecuting me about something that I had already repented for and tried to own. What was also happening was that there was information that we didn't know that there was these other allegations of grooming this woman who **[275:52]** was a student at the school of ministry at Morning Star that he had done the same thing, offered her money. you know, there was it was like one allegation was siloed from the other allegation and those who were bringing this allegation forward didn't know about this other one over here. And so what you're seeing is collectively this is a person who's caught and is trying to get his way out of it without it becoming public. And even in the midst of this, I I begged Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know what the right answer is. I do think **[276:23]** this needs to be made public. I'm begging you to make this public." He said, "I understand." I said, "Listen, this is going to haunt you the rest of your life. Either you do this or someone will." >> Who who I just saw a video yesterday of him apparently faking speaking in tongues in Russian because it seems he knew there would be a Russian guy present. So, he says a phrase in Russian that is like, "You should move and come to this church." And he says, "That's for the online audience. God's calling you to move and come to my church." Same old, same old. Right? It's always move here, move here. That's the That's the That's the big thing. I can't **[276:58]** just let go until I feel the release of the Holy Spirit. >> Now, this video was just sent to me. It actually just happened at Chris Reed's new church. And somebody who quote has been close to Chris Reed for a few years now. Sent this to me. I have to read carefully what he said. This is what I was told. He believes this to be false and was concerned enough to raise the alarm. He reached out to somebody and sent the video which then ended up with me. This is someone that thought what Chris did here was so bad and so wrong **[277:29]** that he needed to raise the alarm. So let me show you the reason why this is cause for concern. Now he's waiting for interpretation and at first no one speaks and then a woman is congregation gives an interpretation that doesn't satisfy Chris. **[278:00]** >> Yeah. And so as you seek these things deal with them in your own heart and by the spirit and by my word. So, because this isn't the interpretation he wants, he's waiting for more. >> Man, there's a weight of glory. >> He decides to say it again. And if you look, it looks very clearly like he's reading this off of the platform in front of him. **[278:47]** This woman actually goes to interpret it again. >> And so you see it will be like this. You will deal with those things in the spirit and it will be released in. >> What's funny here is this is a different interpretation than the one she brought before even though he said the exact same thing. and you will know me and they will see the love of God in you and declare Christ is in their midst. >> Hallelujah. **[279:21]** >> Russia. >> Say it again. >> Russian. >> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help me. Back there. Back there. >> So this is the pivot moment. This guy says, "It's Russian." And immediately Chris says, "Say it again." This is This, I believe, is what he was waiting on the whole time. You're going to see this was a well orchestrated, planned out thing. So, this comes with a request, right? The woman did not get a microphone. Not at all. He just let her talk. What happens when Chris sees that **[279:52]** there's a guy who says it's Russian? He gets very excited. He gets him a microphone. And notice that right there, he goes rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks in tongues, he speaks quiet. He speaks kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead, this time when he speaks in Russian, he speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak walking around. He speaks while looking at his pulpit. Everything about this looks sketchy. >> So, it was the Russian. That's >> Which was Russian? **[280:23]** >> Um, like >> was it the one that Who gave the Russian? You said twice. It was the same uh sentence. It's in Russian. I called you to be here. Why you resist me? >> Wow. >> It was a twice. Said you said this twice in Russian. >> I said it twice. >> Yes. The same sentence. >> I do not know Russian. >> Yeah. >> You could probably tell by my accent. **[280:54]** >> Yeah. And what is again I the the translation >> I called you to be here. >> Why you resist me? >> Why do you resist me? >> Yeah. >> I called you to be here. Why do you resist me? This is a request for people to move to his church. Remember I told you about the come here strategy? This is part of it right here. This is Chris Reed doing it. That's **[281:25]** >> someone online. >> Yeah. >> And God put a Russianspeaking person in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds like Acts two to me. >> We do hear these men. Are they not Galileans? Speak in our language the wonderful works of God. And this is where the payoff comes because if he gets people online, okay, this is all, of course, all my commentary here is **[281:55]** based upon observation and what it looks like to me. I think that this is accurate. This makes the most sense and it it fits with the the the person who has known him for years who sent this to us. Well, to someone who sent it to me, I'll just say that. And this just happened. This ju this I didn't know about this until like yesterday. This just happened. And this is the come here strategy. I want I want people online to come here. And it gets a a bit more deep because Chris has just left Morning Star Church. That's Rick Joiner's church. He left kind of disgraced. Morning Star is in a bunch of turmoil because because **[282:26]** Rick Joiner has put up predators and put them into his congregation and his own people are now suing him because of that. So this come here thing looks like it's directed at Morning Star and other churches because he wants to get his own thing going. It goes along with what he preached. >> What did I say one more time? I'm so drunk. >> Sounds to me like just knew that a Russian speaker would be there. >> The second time you said really well. I **[282:57]** mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um, it it was like, I call you to be here. Why you resist? Why do you resist? >> I call you to be here. Why do you resist? >> We want to meet this person. Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing to camera three right now. >> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah. Right. >> There are people, >> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I **[283:29]** believe in tongues and interpretation. That's happened here today. But we actually have someone here who speaks fluent Russian. >> Translation. >> That wasn't tongues and interpretation. That was tongues and translation. I don't know Russian one bit. I barely know English. >> But there are people that are watching and you are invested or at least you think you are. And you think your money has tied you down. I've put too many years. I've put too much money in **[284:00]** another thing in another place and you're plugging holes in a sinking ship. I'm informed that this most likely is going to be interpreted as him referring to Morning Star Church. >> But the people that are in the ship don't know it's sinking until it goes under. >> See, he used to be the guy at Morning Star and he left. And now he's trying to get people to join him >> until everybody that's in the ship is hoping that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm not speaking about any one ministry. **[284:30]** There are others. There are several. There are people that God is calling here to form this body. I've called you here. Why do you resist? That's what it said. >> But man, I tell you, there are people that are listening right now. Don't let a lie keep you >> from following God. >> Again, this commentary is based upon what looks to be the case and makes a lot of sense with this guy's track record. He is manipulating the people of **[285:01]** God. He's doing this not in the fear of God, but for ulterior motives. And and I feel bad for the Russian in the audience who thinks he just participated in something wonderful and amazing and from the Holy Spirit. This is why we have to blow up coverup culture because if the leaders who had been over and around Chris Reed would call him out as they should, he would never have a platform to manipulate people like this. You've got who else should I mention? You have uh Rick Joiner, serial equipper of abusers who doesn't **[285:31]** protect victims and actually shames. He actually ended up firing the guy who tried to expose Todd Bentley who was trying to make a herum of women saying he had a David anointing. So he he's these foreign for foreign women. I won't say what country they're from. And he reaches out to them privately, gets their numbers and starts texting them. Finally, they tell their pastor. Their pastor tells this individual who tries to expose and get accountability and he gets fired because of Rick Joiner. What about Augugustine Aala and his history with the movement **[286:04]** or Todd White who still is continuing on even though he's been exposed and they know he's guilty. They just don't care. Um that's my view on it anyways. Benny Hinn. Oh my goodness. Benny Hinn. Beny Hinn who has his birthday parties at Jesus image in their secret building. No one's allowed to take pictures of Beny Hen. How about Michael Kulanos? Yeah, you. Michael Kulanos, Kenneth Copeland, and on and on and on. Now, I believe in some of the smaller charismatic guys, the guys who don't have these gigantic ministries. When I've looked into these **[286:34]** giant ministries, I have routinely found the ones who have like the the big signs and wonders ones, the ones who are like, "No, we have the amazing miracles nobody has." I have found routinely that there's a lot of fakery and deception and problems. That's what I have found over and over again. It's a trend. That doesn't mean that nobody can be genuine. I will never make that mistake of thinking everyone's a fraud because there's a bunch of people that are frauds. That is a fallacy. We shouldn't do that. Okay? There's a bunch of fake religions, but there's one true one. There are fake charis charismatic leaders and there are real true good charismatic leaders. The question is in **[287:04]** a culture like this with coverup culture, how do you find the real ones? And your safest bet is to just be very cautious and very careful and very thoughtful about these things. I know some leaders who I personally believe in and I do trust and even if we don't agree on everything I trust them, right? I don't think they would lie. I don't think they would deceive. I don't think that they would manipulate. I think that they have ministered to people powerfully through the work of the Holy Spirit. I think they're real. But none of those names I just listed, that's for sure. So consider the following example. **[287:35]** Actually said I had more on Bob Jones. I'll share some on Bob Jones right now. I have more on Bob Jones in the future about the clock, the magic clock that happened when Bob was dying that they said was a sign from God and it was not. It was not I I'll tell you the story about that some other time. So, here's why I bring Bob Jones into it at this point. I want you to understand that the culture of coverup exists because if you pull one thread like **[288:05]** Shawn Bulls and you expose him openly and publicly for what he's done, you expose your whole foundation to the same kind of exposure and problems. For example, Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones his impact. I'll I'll let Shawn BS tell you about Bob Jones's Bob Jones's impact here. Let me do it that way because you do need to know this to understand what coverup culture is. I had a word when I was 15 years old from a friend of mine and she said one day in worship time she looks at me she says you're going to meet Bob Jones and when you do your **[288:35]** whole life will change but this man was in involved with Morning Star Ministries with Rick Joiner prophesied the buildings they have and what they're doing IHOP with international spread Mike Bickl prophesied the house of prayer movement you know Bethl school of ministry prophesied that with pastor Bill Johnson Chris Valatin Luingle with a call and a send he helped prophesy those into being so this man has had a prophetic history of movements and launching leaders around the body of Christ when he gives people words. I have >> that's the Bob Jones guy, right? Bob **[289:05]** Jones was this quirky kind of hillbilly looking dude talk kind of funny and he would prophesy to people and he is at the founding. So when Bethl tells the story of how their school of supernatural ministry gets started, guess who is part of it? Bob Jones. Prophetically part of it. He's part of their prophetic history. Because all these people want a prophetic history. This is this is a big deal. Okay, we've got our anointing. In fact, Chris Valadin says that his he was supposed to get Bob Jones's mantle, meaning his like prophetic anointing when Bob died. Now, **[289:36]** I' I've seen video where Bob Jones goes, "Nobody's going to get my mantle. Nobody gets my mantle. Get your own mantle." I've heard him say this, right? But Chris publicly has said, "Bob Jones said, "I get his mantle." Right? They're tying their current ministry to his anointing when they do this. Lots of ministries have done it. That's the impact of Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones was not a great guy. Bob Jones was a disaster and he caused a lot of problems. I'll talk a little bit about that. Um, but I'll say this. When you have a prophecy from Bob Jones talking **[290:06]** about God doing an amazing work in your midst, right? Like when he says, "Morning Star will be the beginning of the great next the next great revival. I saw a vision of a man. and he was laying on the and his head was right where Morning Star is on the map of the United States. And he's going to be this new man, the new, you know, Latter-day Saints rising up. And I said Latter- Day Saints, it's not what I meant. The new um end times believers rising up. Anyways, Bob Jones prophesied. So, Morning Star can use can use this for fundraising. You know, be part of what God is doing. Invest in what the work of the Lord is. **[290:38]** We have a prophecy about this. Bill Johnson could use this for fundraising. You can take the credibility that Bob never should have had that he that he had because of cover-up culture and you can use this to do fundraising. So if you pull that thread, there's a cost to exposing it. So one of the things Bob did, which I mentioned earlier, was he took two women and he prophesied to them that God was going to call them to I'm going to use the details here a little bit, guys, so forgive me. This is going to get gross. Um he told these two women, a mother and daughter, that God **[291:08]** was giving them a special Sarah anointing and that they were going to like nurse movements or something like that. And so they had to take off the their clothing, the top of their clothing, and he he sucked on them. Okay, that's what he did. This is what this this man did. Then because there were two of them, this thing went out. They were like this, you know, they felt it was wrong. They decided to to expose it. Other people were were mad, too. John Whimber was really mad because he had just partnered with Mike Bickl. This was like 1991 I think. He had just partnered with Bickl. He brought Bickl in. Bickl **[291:40]** brought in um into the vineyard movement in like all these other profit guys. Augustine Acca who ended up being a predator. Uh Paul Kaine who ended up being a predator who faked prophecy and even Chuck Smith knew about that. Um and uh these other guys. So Bob Jones was a big one. He was one of the Kansas City prophets. Big deal. Publicly there was an apology that went out. Bob is he's getting better. He's reformed. Privately, Bob was telling people, I'll allege this. I think this is true. Privately, Bob was telling people he is quote more anointed than **[292:11]** ever. There's a delusional man. He was told if he didn't leave Kansas, like move out of the he was going to get sued. This is what I've what I've been told. He was mad at John Wimber because John Wimber was requiring accountability. I think Mike Bickl would have swept this under the rug because he swept his own sin under the rug for decades even after this. But and Paul Kanes uh but I think he was mad at John Wimber because John Wimber had enough integrity to go no no no no no no you're you're done. This is wrong and he ended up regretting that he had ever connected Vineyard to this **[292:41]** movement to these guys. Now he didn't he wasn't public enough about that but that was that was the case. So Bob's mad at John Wimber. So Bob prophesies that LA is going to be destroyed and everybody should get out of there. He's using prophecy as a weapon. Bob Scott tells a story in his book. Some say they some say they blundered. Um, and I think it's in the book or it might have been in a private conversation I had with Bob. I'm trying to remember now, but Bob Scott tells a story of how Bob Jones actually made up a prophecy just to attack Bob's character because he was mad at him. Bob **[293:13]** regularly used prophecy prophecy to manipulate people. It wasn't just this one case. Now, they did get he did get exposed and it was sort of publicly known, although the details were not publicly stated in any kind of way, but it was sort of known, right? Here's the question I have. When Bob Jones was exposed, did they ever do an investigation to find out how many victims he had, or was it only these two women that we ever found out about? Did he have a victim in 1990, another one in 1982, another one in 1995? Did he have another one years later? **[293:44]** Because Bob was reinstated back into ministry. He was serving. He was being invited to Bethl. He was prophesying to them. He was prophesying to their school of ministry people. And here years and years later, Shawn BS is like, "Ba, what a great guy. He's a little quirky and he had one mistake." But that is not the real story. That's cover-up culture that is deceptive. Let me give you another example of coverup culture. Bill is, I believe, captured by these false prophets because the scripture says that these these men are deceiving and they are deceived. It **[294:15]** describes certain men. And I think that that description, at least that part of it, applies to Bill as well. I think he's deceiving and deceived. Here's an example of Shawn BS doing his shtick with Bill Johnson um regarding his dad. I just saw in heaven what's happening in a heavenly scenario and I've seen Bob Jones talk to somebody that's kind of weirding me out but in a good way. I don't know who the person is. I've never met him the person he's talking to. But um I start seeing a map and I'm driving **[294:48]** like I'm I'm on Olive Street and you turn right and there's Gold Street and then you turn right and there's Oakridge Street. Does this make sense to somebody? >> Your mom lives on like Oakidge Street. >> Gold Olive. Olive. Then you turn right and you turn right at Gold Street. determine why it's Oakidge Street. >> It sounds like he couldn't remember the street order as well and so he jumbled it up a bit, but now he's trying to kind **[295:18]** of rescue it cuz he knows the end result is he's got to get to Bill Johnson's parents' house, right? Cuz that that's where this prophecy is going to going to connect. >> That's exactly right. Um so, so God's talking to somebody, but I don't think I don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or something? >> His name is Melvin Earl. Wow. >> His dad is Melvin. Earl Johnson. >> So his dad would always go with uh Earl **[295:49]** Johnson. That's why everybody called him Earl. But his actual first name was Melvin. And so he goes, Bob was talking to somebody. Oh, I just I I the streets. It was your parents house. But it couldn't have been your dad he was talking to cuz your dad's not Melvin. Your dad's Earl. And now he has he's wait he's prompted Bill. Now he's waiting for Bill to explain it. What? He's he's His name is Earl and Melvin. Let's watch that again. I want you to see it. See how he sets it up and see how the response comes. >> That's exactly right. Um, so, so God's **[296:21]** talking to somebody, but I don't think I don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or something. >> His name is Melvin Earl. >> Wow. >> His dad is Melvin or Alvin or Melvin or something. Guys, >> his name is Melvin Earl. >> Wow. >> His dad is Melvin Earl Johnson. >> So Bob Jones and Melvin Earl are talking to each other. Um, Gold Street and I saw **[296:52]** your dad. Now I know it's your dad. It's like I saw he lives. >> So now he's going to continue to prophesy. He's like, "Oh yeah, I saw Bob and your dad talking to each other. He's witnessing this in heaven. He's communicating with those who have died and and he gets this this this prophecy related to the street names." Okay, Gold Street and all this >> on Gold Street. No, but on in the natural is Oh, great. That makes sense. >> Uh there's Danny Silk to his left and Chris Ballatin on his right. You guys should all three of you should be very angry at Sean. He is he is lying to Bill. He's even using his shtick on Bill. Does is is Bill doing this thing **[297:24]** where like you knowingly participate or he unknowingly is participating? That's the question. I I am beginning to think he's knowingly participating, but but I don't know for sure. Um, but it's crazy that he had the kutzbah to do this to like the number one guy uh in Bethl and one of the number one guys in the charismatic church. Um, but you have to go down gold street you need the resources. So the anointing is going to produce the resources in this next season. And I saw the Lord saying that there's a there's >> that creates fundraising by the way when when you have a prophecy the anointing **[297:55]** is going to produce the resources and then you then the rich people are like it's time it's time for me to give and invest. You know that's what it does. There's a release like I said just like a Bob Jones word. It was exactly how he would give a word. So this is this is literal. Yeah. And there's a release of uh great provision that's coming out of the anointing to plant the oaks. Bill, you're going to you're going to get it. But there's the anointing to produce the gold to produce the oaks of righteousness is coming. And and Bob and your dad are talking about this >> vagaries. **[298:27]** Vagaries. What's it? What's the result of it? It's super specific knowledge about like I know your dad's real first name. That's what you really got here. I know your dad's first name and where he lived. What is the actual result? Money will come and the oaks and the right and that you'll you'll understand something cool something cool is coming. So he's actually doing this to Bill. I think Bill is actually deceived. Bill talks again. He talks about how he replays prophecies from Shambles on his phone. He plays them back to him just to listen to them. And um I'm under the impression that he's very captured by this. That **[298:58]** he's both deceiving and deceived. Both of them. Let me mention Paul Kaine cuz now what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show you guys there's a larger pattern with coverup culture. Shawn Bulls is just the rabbit that we chase down the hole. It just gets bigger and worse as you go. And hopefully now you realize you're down the hole too and you realize that the charismatic world when it comes to guys groups like Bethl and Morning Star and IHOP, it is wonderland. It is not the real world. Paul Kaine, **[299:31]** Paul Kaine was exposed by one of his close confidants. Man, I don't know how much this I should even share with you guys. I'll tell you some of it. Um, a guy named Jack Deer. Jack Deer finally came out years and years later to reveal that Paul Kane, who was considered one of the Kansas City prophets, one of the big dogs. He says, "My desire for power enabled Paul Kane's manipulation." And here he comes out and he tells some of the story and you could read through it. You could check this out on your own. Um it is uh I mean you just Google that. My desire for power enabled Paul Kane's **[300:02]** manipulation by Jack Deer on the divine detours substack. Um he goes through a bunch of details. He talks about a bunch of stuff. Paul Kane helped to prop up guys like Mike Bickl. Mike Bickl would gather these fake prophets around him and then use them. It was it was a stickick. And you realize that if you if if you don't have to be the prophet, you can gather the prophets, right? You can be the apostle. That's what Mike Bick was. Then you gather the prophets around you and they prophesy things to you and then you tell other people about them and then everybody comes alongside. Is that not the same thing I just saw happen on stage with Shawn BS **[300:34]** prophesying to Bill Johnson in front of everybody? So it makes him look like the anointed one of God and all this kind of thing. It's mutually beneficial relationship. Very importantly, Jack Deer says our eventual compromise resulted in a statement. He's speaking, by the way, of uh Paul came when he was exposed for great sin. Um being predatory behavior, fake prophecy. Sound familiar? Um he says, "Our eventual compromise resulted in a **[301:05]** statement that downplayed the reality of Paul's actions, portraying them as temporary moral failings rather than acknowledging the truth of his lifelong predatory behavior." That's what he says in this article. And I think it's important to recognize that sounds like Bethl with BS or Bethl with Bob Hartley. that there is a downplaying when the statement finally comes out comes out. It's more like self-p protection. Uh Jack Deer also has an article uh on Mike Bickl and his issues and I'll just show you the screenshot of it so you can take a look at it if you want where he talks about some of it. Now these are insiders, okay? Um it's important when **[301:37]** they do come out and I'm glad when they do. But now I need to talk about a new section here in the video. Bethl's pattern of lack of accountability. And that's putting it mildly. Let me talk about the Show Me the Toes controversy. Does that sound more interesting? The Show Me the Toes controversy. Now, Bill was a guest teacher at John Lindell's James River Church. You may have heard of James River Church. They were in the news recently because him um John Lindell and **[302:09]** uh Mark Driscoll had like a spat and they were calling each other names or something weird like that. and it was about like some guy who was dancing like almost like a male stripper at their men's event and I am not talking about that today but you may have heard of him because of that. Um I think it was that same guy James Lindell. So Bill was speaking at James Lindell's church. Now James Lindell loves Bill Johnson. They are like tight. When I made a video a while back where I talked about Bethl and some of the issues with like the physics of heaven, I think it was that video. John Lindell went public to his **[302:40]** congregation and to all of the people they influenced. I didn't even talk about it publicly, but he went public and he said, "Don't even watch a negative video about Bill Johnson. I don't want to hear any of that stuff." He said something to that effect. So, he doesn't want people watching it. Like, information control, thought control. Don't even think about it. You see no video. Mike Winger does not exist. His videos do not exist. Do not consider them. So, they're tight. Now, Bill was at John Lindell's church and he taught about creative miracles. Creative miracles meaning like growing back, I don't know, some toes. And so he taught **[303:12]** about creative miracles and then he says supposedly tons of people were healed and Bill talks about it in a video that is still on their YouTube channel. I just want to double check. Is it still there? I'll just double check. Yes, it is still there. Here, I'll just I'll show you guys. This is currently still on their YouTube channel. Um, and that's the title of it. Oh, you can't see the title of it. Scroll down. It says Bethl Church Service. Haley Braun sermon worship with Brian and Jen Johnson. That's the name. It was streamed 2 years ago, March 19th, 2023. **[303:44]** Oh, and you can donate to them. There's a little donate button right here. You guys can donate. Um, so here's the thing. Bill is here back at his home church talking about the experience he had at John Lindell's church, James River Church. So, he's giving the testimony. This isn't the video of him at the church, okay? The actually the testimony is the important part. Let me now play for you what he said about it. It's one of the most um incredible weeks of my life this last week for quite a few reasons, but one I was I was at a **[304:14]** great great church in Springfield, Missouri and uh James River Church there. Great amazing pastors. Just can't can't speak high too high of them. We had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miracles over three nights. >> Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miracles over three nights. Usually Bill's fake miracles come with just claims that a whole bunch of people got healed. A whole someone's liver is getting healed. Raise your hand if that's you. Amen. Praise God. Miracle. That's all it takes. Right? So he claims **[304:45]** here um hundreds of miracles. But there's one specific miracle that he's going to highlight and we're going to chase that trail because we want them to show us the toes. But but the last one is the one I want to tell you about. The last night a woman was there who had been shot twice by her husband. Anybody else glad that Jesus heals the inside as well as the outside? >> Tragic story of this woman. Um, she had three toes amputated as a result of being shot, I guess, in the foot. Um, crazy. Yeah. And because of it, she had **[305:17]** to have three toes amputated. And I happened that evening to be talking about creative miracles that we've seen. And we just began to pray just randomly for creative miracles. And this gal was at one of the other campuses and said, "I want my to do back." And so another guy was praying for her. Took about 30 minutes, but they saw the bone come wrapped in flesh completely grow out. And by morning, the toenails, everything had formed. She got three brand new toes. Three brand new toes. Be with me. The woman who did the **[305:48]** praying, her husband is a medical doctor and he came and examined and yep, he's got three brand new toes. So that works. I I guess a person with the three new toes would know, but it's also nice to have a doctor come and check things out and say, "Guess what? This is for real." >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't need a doctor to confirm whether toes exist or don't exist. That's pretty easy to do. Um but what a wild claim. One with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miracles. I'll tell you one story. Here's one really cool. One of **[306:20]** the best times of his life. He says, "This woman had three toes. They grew back by morning. They were fully grown. A doctor confirmed it. Her toes. All right, let's learn more about the toe situation because it gets stinky. >> As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over the next 30 minutes. This is John Lindell. He's telling the story from his own pulpit about the same lady. Okay, so she got healed. He's going to So Bill's Bill's using it. He's telling the story. And now John Lindell's using it as well. Listen to how he tells it. It's a little different. All three toes grew and by **[306:52]** that point were longer than her pinky toe. Within an hour, nails began to grow on all the toes because her miracle is real. It's genuine. What I want to assure you of is it's real. It's real. It's real. It's real. It's real. So um it is a legitimate miracle and you know we can provide the kind of proof that **[307:23]** would be necessary people that >> they can provide the proof. It would be easy right? Show us the toes. >> Have you seen pictures of the toes? I have. So I've seen the picture uh of the toes. The picture of the toes. So John Lindell and Bill Johnson both presenting this as 100% true. One says verified by a doctor here. He's they have their timelines are both different here, but he's saying, "Yeah, even the nails grew back." As in there was there wasn't even like the whatever the stuff **[307:54]** is that grows nails, you know, and that didn't exist, right? The toes grew back, the bones repaired, the the skin, the flesh, and even the nails come in. It's real. It's real. It's real. I promise you it's real. We have the proof. This is actually from John Lind. This is super important. We know this. John Lindell's ministry. They put this video up of this woman. So, they're promoting her face. They're showing her face. They're having her tell her story. This wasn't internet slleuth that did this. This was them. And here's her telling the story. >> So, I had three toes that were amputated **[308:25]** in a in a terrible accident. I heard the word for creative miracles and I thought, well, I certainly have a creative miracle that I >> That was from Bill Johnson. The word for creative miracles was Bill Johnson. So, she's like, yeah, I want that. I might need I need three toes to grow back. The person next to me said, "Do you want new toes?" And I was like, "Well, sure." All the women got down and they prayed over my foot and I decided to take my shoe off to see what was happening. When he said, "Let's see the progress or if anything's happened." And when I did, I had to grab the person next to me and **[308:56]** say, "Do you see what I see?" >> So immediate visible change of healing is what she's claiming. And I saw three toes that were forming and now there's length to them tonight. I can stand on my tippy toes. Listen. Do you understand? I can stand on tippy toe. No, I couldn't do that cuz I didn't have toes to tippy on. >> He's playing this first congregation. >> All right. Come on. Let's bless the **[309:26]** Lord. He's Jehovah Rafa. Lord, we praise you. You're embarrassing the name of God with this John Lindell. The most obvious thing to do is show us your toes. They grew back. Show them. Show us. Like why didn't she just take her thing her shoe off and her sock off and just show like right then and there when she's doing the interview. Instead, she does this thing where I can stand on my tippy toes. I couldn't do that before. I didn't have toes. I don't know what that **[309:56]** means. Okay. Like you could cut off all of my toes and I could still push up onto the top of my foot. I I don't know what that means. Okay. But it's proof. There's proof. There's proof. Now people are asking. They're like, "Dude, you guys are Look, 468,000 views of just the short of you guys putting this. I think this might have been Instagram or I don't know what this was. Is that Twitter? I don't remember. Um, whichever one it was, that's just one spot where this is being recounted. And people are asking, they're like, "Show us the proof." Somebody actually started a website called Show Us the **[310:28]** Toes or Show Me the Toto toes.com, something like that. And um and they were asking for the proof and trying to catalog whether or not there was actually any evidence. So John Lindell's under pressure now. He's put her face in front of everybody. He's told the story. Bill Johnson's told the story and people want evidence. He said he had the proof. Just show it. Now he's going to Here's a compilation of him explaining why he's not going to show any of the proof. >> How many miracles do you have to see? before you believe. **[310:58]** You know, there are some of you and you've heard miracle over 4,000 now. You've heard miracle after miracle of healing and you're still sitting there saying, "Well, you know, I just don't know. I got to see the toes." He's shaming us. I'm going to tell you what, see the toes all you want, you're still not going to believe >> because unbelief never has enough proof because her miracle is real. It's genuine. Uh people are saying, "Well, if **[311:28]** it's genuine, why aren't you why aren't you doing anything with it to publicize it?" There's a couple of reasons that I want to say to you. First of all, >> his first reason is going to be I want to protect her, right? Even though he put her face out already. Let's listen to this. Um, I'm less interested in proving to people what I know God did than I am in protecting sheep who are vulnerable. I'm going to tell you why I believe this is totally a a complete lie. And I'm I'm going to protect sheep **[311:59]** first. That's my first concern is for her. Right? So, um, right now the scenario is you put this woman up. You told everybody about her mir miracle experience. the internet is doubting you, is doubting her, is doubting that this is real. And they there are people who are bothering her on social media and stuff like this and they don't believe that it's real. So, she actually at this point wanted to prove it was real. She wants people to know it's real. It's real. She's trying to put the evidence out there. She actually eventually posts a photo of her own foot **[312:31]** on her Facebook page. I think it was Facebook. And it's the only thing that John Lindell won't do is actually show the proof cuz then people would celebrate. Oh my gosh, look at this great miracle that God's actually healed you. You could show us the photo before and you could show us the photo after. We we've got there's probably police records to prove about the shooting or medical records. Like this is a great example of a miracle, which by the way, I'd be very excited to see. Okay, I believe in miracles. I think there are real examples and even real evidential examples of miracles. But you don't fake them and then lie to your congregation and then gaslight people. You wouldn't **[313:01]** believe anything. You wouldn't believe anything. But that's not, you know, that's not true. That's not true. You don't have categories of people who either believe nothing or they believe everything John says. This isn't these aren't the two kinds of people in the world. So to protect her, he won't show the proof, but he'll put her face up so that her testimony of the miracle is there and people are investigating and looking into it. The only thing he won't do is show the proof. Well, she wanted to show it. So, she goes on social media herself and posts her afterpics because she's trying to convince everybody that it's **[313:32]** real. She doesn't like that people are doubting it. She wants them to believe. So, she made a video, she talks about it, and this is a screen cap from that where she shows us her after photo, and then people uh zoomed into one of her previous photos on Facebook, her before photo, and you can see the difference. There isn't one. Um, there are no nails. That's not a There's still three toes that have been have significant amputation. And when you look at the before pictures, they look the same. I don't have to even tell you guys. You can see it for yourself. John Lindell told his congregation, "I've seen the **[314:04]** photos. It's real. It's real. it's real. That was a baldfaced lie based upon this evidence. When he was challenged on it, he gaslit and he condemned and he uh basically accused other people of them having a problem. And that was the reason why they were even asking for evidence. He assured us that they'd seen 4,000 miracles already, these kinds of miracles. Because in coverup culture, you're also covering up that your miracles aren't always real, aren't you? **[314:35]** Right? You can't expose anything because if you expose anything, it might expose everything. That's coverup culture. But it feels so good, man. You feel like you're the place. John Lindell's James River Church. This is the place where God is moving. And if you go like, "Is God really moving?" They're like, "What is wrong with you? You have unbelief. What is wrong with you?" This is part of coverup culture. Supposedly, it was verified by a doctor. That's what Bill Johnson told his people. He's still telling his people that. still up on their YouTube and it's still currently propagating more deception. And I'm **[315:07]** going to give you another example. This is an example of a prophecy fail from Bill uh Bill Johnson. So, let's look at this clip. This is from 2009. And the reason why we're going back all the way back to 2009 is because I want us to understand that the prophecy didn't come to pass. And so, we have to give some space of time. If you prophesied something last year, it maybe I haven't given enough time for it to take place. Here's a 2009 prophecy. It comes from Bill from the pulpit, but originally from another pastor. We'll tell you all about it. This is actually uh a video also from Steven Kosar who's done some **[315:38]** great work on this stuff. And here Steve calls it out. Now, I I've I've cut up Steve's video. It's not his full video, but it's it's enough that I think it'll get us get the point across. So, here we go. The failed prophecy of Bethl Reading. the failed prophecy that I will add again a move to reading type prophecy where he's trying to get people to uproot their lives and move to his town. >> Um for whatever reason I don't always read the words that we get the prophetic words u u but this one was given to me this week by Steve Wit. Steve Wit has **[316:11]** been a very accurate and faithful prophetic voice. Very accurate and faithful prophetic voice to us. A great encouragement to me. uh his daughter was a part of our school of ministry for a couple years and uh he was just with us I think last Sunday before anyway he wrote this word and >> okay again uh it doesn't mean anything when Bill says someone's very accurate and faithful because he said that about Shawn Bulls and then continued to endorse him even after everything was exposed um insanely **[316:42]** so let's look at the prophecy >> and uh there's one phrase in here that that helped me to realize I really need to read this to you even though the whole thing is good for all of us. Um, this is the reading anointing, a chief navigator in perilous times. Remember that phrase for you. >> I think the shortcut to Bill's heart is prophesy something good about him. >> Chief navigator in perilous times. Reading is about to advance quickly as a city doubling in size. >> Steve Wit should have said that the next **[317:12]** decade is going to be the slowest growth that Reading has seen in a hundred years. First prophecy, Reading's going to double in size. That was 2009. And you can see Steve's got numbers up through 2019. I can give you their population in 2024 is 93,500. It didn't double in size. It went from 89861 um in 2010 up to 93502, which is uh not not doubling in size, not remotely **[317:44]** >> doubling in size. a boom town. That which was the butt of California jokes. Hey, will become a jewel. >> I want to take a moment to point something out. What happened in Reading or right outside of Reading in the Carr fire in July of 2018, this so-called fire NATO is one of the rarest and most terrifying weather events literally in the history of all weather forecasting, **[318:15]** all recordeping about weather events. It's almost unprecedented in all of weather history. Um, let me show you an article about this. California viral fire tornado has scientists searching for answers. Weather geeks went wild last week when the National Weather Service announced that the car fire near Reading, California, had spawned the equivalent of an EF3 tornado on July 26th. And for good reason. Fire tornadoes are among the rarest weather phenomena on Earth. And this vortex had **[318:46]** the added distinction of possibly being the strongest tornado-like thing in California history. Now, I've lived my whole life in the Midwest of the United States, and I've had to deal with tornadoes, and they are terrifying. Any size tornado is terrifying. An EF3 is very severe. It does incredible damage. But that's not what happened in Reading. It was an EF3 tornado combined with up to 2700° of fire. This was truly horrifying. >> And some of those tornadoes, they were **[319:18]** classifying those as equal to an F3, possibly an F4 tornado that you would see back east. Uh the only difference is is they estimated the temperature in these tornadoes to be 2,700°. >> Will become a jewel where um I'll just add in here real quick. Housing prices in Reading, California, you can look this up yourself. They have increased uh as all have in in California, but at a much lower rate than the rest of California. Significantly lower rate than the rest of California. It's not a **[319:49]** boom town. There's nothing booming, right? And there was no prophetic warning about the car fire in 2018. And they had no prophetic warning about COVID. And they actually closed their healing rooms. They have healing rooms, special healing rooms to heal people, right? They closed them uh during CO. There was the reading anointing that would be the chief navigator in times of peril that Bill Johnson so proudly spoke about in 2009. Nobody saw this coming. It was terrible. It was horrible. And it was not something that anybody **[320:20]** predicted. They predicted nothing but good. And they got so far nothing but bad. >> I sense that Governor Schwarzenegger will be a key. I saw him coming to Reading, a veil being removed off his face. He will see Reading as it is seen by heaven. Um, sometimes this works where they actually you would get that prophecy into the hands of the guy like of of of Governor Schwarzenegger at the time and then maybe they'll do something because the prophecy can kind of make it happen cuz they get excited. They're like the center of some prophetic thing. Um, but it didn't happen. **[320:53]** He will blow a trumpet declare to all of California that Reading is open for business. This will be a turning point and a draw for business in Reading. be a magnetism as well as attracting national headquarters to the area. Properties will skyrocket. >> Properties will skyrocket. Again, the growth of property prices in Reading, California is lower than the state average in California. It's slower growth, not not faster, no skyrocketing. >> This is the time to buy to buy and build **[321:23]** in Reading. If you had bought and built in Reading because of this prophecy from Bill Johnson, you would have made a poor investment, possibly lost money and missed out on other opportunities. But again, these guys love telling people that God's calling them to move into their town, especially people with lots of money to buy and build and do big businesses. It's a common thing in this culture. >> I also said that commuter flights from Sacramento to Reading would soon be offered, I believe, within 2 years, but I'm not clear on that. it will be a sign **[321:54]** that a new level is emerging. Watch for >> Um Steve says this never happened. I've uh I did a little bit of research on this and I was trying to confirm that uh the commuter flight thing. Um it looks to me like there was some commuter flights back in like the 80s. There used to be more and now generally no, there are not commuter flights as a general rule uh from San Francisco to Bethl. He would like that cuz Bill likes to go to one of the most expensive restaurants in the world in Sacramento a lot of the time. >> The name of the airline, I sense it will have a prophetic meaning. Finally, I wrote a prayer on the morning of Sunday **[322:24]** last while in reading. I submit it as it is a prayer. I bless you with reading. I bless you reading with revelation from heaven. May you understand the times and know what to do. You are a sial in the spirit. His light will cause you to heal the past, comprehend the present, and interpret the future. >> Reveal your secrets. >> This is Steve Kosar's video style. Tell us all. >> He has given you eyes to see and will **[322:54]** establish you as a think tank. Think tank. National business headquarters will be drawn here. Writing will shine like a city of hope. Do not fear. Open the door. As you open this earthly door, my heavenly door will exhaust you with my blessing. Anybody ready to be exhausted? Oh. Um to my knowledge, none of this none not a single one of these things happen. But when this word goes out, prophecy from Bill, guys, Bill's sharing a prophecy from this other guy. And and and it's like we're trusting God for it. Move to reading. Start your business in **[323:25]** Reading. It's going to be a boom town. Get your real estate. You know, I'm going to buy a few homes because then I can resell them after the the the boom happens. And no, instead the car fire burns up your house. Uh no, instead it's got slower growth than other communities around it. And there's no booming. Businesses are not reaching out. There's no commuter flights to to to anywhere from Sacramento or whatever it was. He said, "This just not this is not happening. >> Ready to be exhausted. Exhaust me with your blessings." That's right. Here's five statements. This is a time for **[323:56]** hospitality. This is a time to buy. >> Time to buy. Again, prophetically counseling people to spend large amounts of money in a way that would indirectly benefit their local church. That is bad. Once again, please please evacuate everyone and and stay safe. Have a good night. >> This is a time to learn deeper in the spirit. This is a time for deep relationships. The party will not end. **[324:28]** >> That's a good word. Now, it's important that I point out at this point um there is no accountability for these types of statements from Bill Johnson or from other people uh in the movement. there there just isn't even even though they all know it's wrong they're just like well at least he was hopeful at least he was and and you guys don't realize like the charismatics like you don't realize like you've been brainwashed to think that way like this actually really matters there's people whose lives were probably harmed significantly because they believed this word that wasn't from the Lord and then **[324:58]** it benefited Bethl because people are moving people are investing in things that that draw attention to the church and make the church more of that much more of a hub um which it's a It's a problem. Um, he says Steve Wit has been a very accurate and faithful prophetic voice to us. Do you know that Wit sells courses on how to be more prophetic? He sells courses on those. So, Whit had a financial benefit from this most likely. 2004 was a turning point for Bethl. It was as if the enemy couldn't hold his finger in the dyke any longer. This is **[325:30]** the reading anointing. Okay, not true. Didn't happen. But this is the come here strategy. I want to point this out again. I think it's very important because I know Jesus image does this, Morning Star does this, IHOP would do this, um Chris Reed just did this in a video and the idea is prophetically tell people that they have to relocate to your local ministry thing so that you can keep building and building and building. Um this is the center of the coming revival. This is where God's spirit is working. This is where your healing comes. Right? If you if you just get here, if you just sell everything and travel here, maybe God will heal you **[326:02]** of that problem that you have. You should expect it, right? That's the implication of things. The Bethl narrative is that they are in a long steady march towards incredible healing and prosperity. Remember Benny joked about how no one should die. She tragically passed away from cancer in 2022. So why was this prophecy read from the stage if it wasn't true? If it wasn't from the Holy Spirit. It was read from the stage because it served their purposes of being the revival culture place and the come here strategy. I think that that's why. Let me give you **[326:33]** another example. I I man I hate doing these videos. Another example, this I I struggle with whether I would share this or not. This is the wake up olive controversy. Okay, there was this beautiful little girl that passed away and for a week or around a week they would not allow her to be buried or reclaim her body. And um the reason is because they were going to raise her from the dead cuz Bethl had has in the past they've had dead raising teams like a team who was like where the dead raising team. They've claimed that multiple people have been raised from **[327:03]** the dead, although I haven't ever seen any examples. I'd love to talk. That'd be so exciting, guys. That would be awesome. I would celebrate this. I don't care if it was Bethl who did it. I would be like so happy. But they instead did this. The worship leaders and the parents even in on it. Everybody in on it. They for a week they scream and holler and they sing worship songs and they promise and they prophesy and they proclaim that she's going to raise from the dead in a way that is just so tragic. Here's a tiny piece of it. **[327:35]** in Jesus name. Jesus name. It was deeply irresponsible for the pastors to allow this to take place. Now, if you had a revelation from God that um Olive was going to be healed, um that she was going to be raised, then it **[328:06]** would be deeply faithful. But you had no such revelation. You prophesied, you guys prophesied, you guys proclaimed, you guys made it hugely public, you embarrassed the body of Christ, you embarrassed yourselves. And it was because of your guys teaching of prophecy. It just doesn't matter if you're wrong. You're allowed to say what you want. Bill has taught, I heard him teach this, I actually have it in a video somewhere from years ago where he's actually taught that sometimes with prophecy, you can prophesy something that God isn't even saying and then God will say it because you prophesied it. That is called fake prophecy. But that **[328:37]** is the teaching that's behind, I think, the wake up all of controversy. And you could look into that more on your own if you want. I'm so um it's it's so sad. I didn't even want to talk about it, but I wanted to mention it because once again, Bethl has a problem. And it's all connected. The treatment of prophecy, the treatment of miracles, the treatment of all of these things is connected. And I call it cover-up culture because you're going to cover up the fake and you're going to try to celebrate it like it's real. And it doesn't matter when people fake. So Bethl has a problem. They endorsed Benny **[329:09]** Hint. They endorsed Kenneth Copeland. They endorsed Todd Bentley as like this great coming apostle guy, right? They platformed Todd White with the the Passion translation. Bill wrote the forward to the thing and is was selling their own version of it even though it's bad news. Then we have Bob Hartley. I did a whole video on this. I won't get into that video. Bob Hartley, bad dude, faking prophecy for generations. Are you getting sick of this? You guys realizing why I say cover up culture and it's a systematic problem in the charismatic church and it's not all charismatic **[329:40]** churches but in particular I've looked into like Morning Star Bethl IHOP uh William Brandom and and the movements and stuff that have spawned from him. This stuff it's a problem. So Bob Hartley goes back with Mike Bickl. He goes back to Bob Jones. Right? That's him with Bob Jones and Mike Bickl. And when Bob Jones got pulled out of ministry, Bob Hartley, oh, I meant to put on your screen. So, Bob Hartley, let's talk about briefly mention some of **[330:10]** the Bob Hartley saga. I'll link the video down below that will give all the information. I'll just mention some of it now. Um, because the way Bethl handled it again shows coverup culture. It's a pattern. It's a plan. It's the way business is done. That's how I understand it. So, here's Bob Harley with Mike Pickle. They're good pals. They go way, way back. Here's Bob Hartley with Mike Bickl and with Bob Jones and they go obviously way back. When Bob Jones fell in 1990s, early 90s, Bob Hartley, I'm told, became the go-between. If you wanted to talk to **[330:40]** Bob Jones, you had to go through Bob Hartley. And Bob was exposed. Okay. Michelle Sidler in January of 2024, she exposed Bob for being a predator against women, for offering to pay women for, you know, what um and a bunch of other stuff. and his son then came out in um March 6th of 2024 showing that his dad had been faking prophecy that his dad said it's normal in the movement and everybody does it. Um and he gave specific examples and that his dad was also being predatory **[331:10]** towards women and he only came out the son Jedodiah who I interviewed and I'll link that interview down below. The son only came out publicly because Bethl wouldn't and if Michelle Syler of Bethl had come out publicly she wouldn't have had to either but they wouldn't do it. I go through the whole drama. We talk about all of it in the video I'll link down below. I'll just show you a little little bits of it. Okay. According to Michelle, they knew about Bob back in 2016 or 17. They knew about his predatory behaviors. And an email went out to Bethl leadership only and it was **[331:43]** very vague and it was basically don't go to Bob's house. Don't talk to don't have do stuff with Bob. That was kind of what it was. But it didn't explain why. It didn't warn people. I had a former staff member of Bethl reach out and go, "Yeah, I remember that email." And it was so vague, we didn't know what it meant. Bob was still active in Bethl even after that. He was still praying on people in their church. Even after that, his patterns were offering money to women um for intercourse and also pushing himself physically on people. Michelle says that he came to her house intoxicated, pulled all his clothes off, **[332:14]** and chased her around the room. What is it with these guys? and just uninvitedly disroing. And the prophecy stuff, he would prophesy to girls that he was going to marry them and about how wonderful they would be and all this stuff. And he would flash his money around and he would use this to try to, you know, carnal pleasures. Here's a creepy video that Bob sent to a woman he had met one time and prophesied over one time and then he sent her this video. He's trying to offer her money in order to get her Well, I'll just play the video. **[332:44]** >> This is me right now. I don't need a woman to be near me or be with me. But I love the bless and I've worked hard and I would do that. But I don't need this. I know everybody's having a hard life. Everybody's been treated all that stuff. But I said, I'll meet you in the parking lot with money. You can go away, you know. Right. You know, I am tempted to send you some **[333:14]** beforehand because I believe in your heart. But, you know, I worked all week. So, I have just a relaxing night. I got a fireplace over here. A beautiful, beautiful room and house. I got to clean it up a little, but with my back porches, the golf, of course. It's an unbelievable house. And there's I don't have it on, but that's the gas fireplace. And that's Ring Grant. **[333:46]** And this is so cozy back here, baby. And with the fire on, so I just want to relax, you know. I'm not a flipped around. I think I'm not a saxophone, you know. But I am the love where I love that intimacy. >> It seems pretty obvious what's happening here is he's flashing money. He's trying to trying to seduce this woman using **[334:16]** himself in a mirror, but also money. Um, she didn't like it. She sent this over to Michelle Syler. That that is something she actually posted online. And she also posted a a testimony of a girl who says that she was our AP from Bob as well as Bob's own board member exposing him, one of his previous board members. But that guy just ended up stepping down cuz it's always the same. The board members step down. They never actually publicly expose these guys. When they're predators to and dangerous to others, you have to expose them publicly. That has to be the new rule. And I'm going to play the rest of the video here, but **[334:48]** I'm not here saying Bob's quirky and weird or he has a raspy voice. I don't care about that. What we're saying here is um Bob is looked at as a prophetic voice inside of Bethl. Even after the letter that went out, even up until Michelle Sidler went public, he's still looked at as a prophetic voice. People view him that way. They see him that way. He's inviting people from Bethl over to his home for what? Paying them for this stuff. He's obviously done this numerous times. He goes, "I've never had to pay **[335:19]** just to get a response before." Oh, he's paid for other things, I guess, but not the response. Bethl could have, should have, didn't. >> That's what I meant to turn this around. I know, but I need to hear from you and I need to hear. I'll meet at this place, you know, and I'll send your money for, you know, a little bit of travel you're going. And then I just **[335:51]** never had to pay for somebody to respond to me. And I just don't mind blessing somebody who has financial need and I just feel like I'm not paying for this. I don't know how to turn this around. I'm sorry. I'm praying for intimacy. I just want to bless you. So, let me know how you feel. Let me know. Okay, this is what it's going to cost. And I just I pay for a lot of people in a lot of situations. **[336:23]** >> I pay for a lot of people in a lot of situations. >> And so I just got to know I also know that you want to partner with me. You want to bless the world we're blessing which is an awesome world. You know I can explain it to you later but I don't spend much on me. I got a beautiful home and $13 million properties that are B&Bs **[336:53]** are unbelievable. I love to travel, but I do want to get my business in a place where it just flows and get my body healthy and be with somebody that understands and we can ride up wondrous things together. So, respond that and uh we'll see if some people wake up tonight. Bye. when Mike Pickle was being accused by a number of women **[337:23]** um which was found by an investigation to be credible um credible stuff, bad stuff. Bob Hartley was threatening people behind the scenes with litigation. All your dirty secrets are going to come out. We have the best lawyers. I am not here claiming, this is important, I'm not here claiming that Bethl um deliberately put Bob back in front of women who he would do this **[337:53]** stuff to or people like that. But we do know that he routinely prophesied prophesied falsely. He faked prophecy. He'd look up people's information. His son has revealed this and he says he he even admitted to it. Said that it was normal in the movement. And I'm I'm believing that. I believe that Bethl didn't do the right thing. It's not that they did nothing. They didn't do the right They sent out a letter at one point which was I would say was probably just damage control. Then when people were asking him to go public, even even Bob's son, hey Bill, would you please do something? You got to warn **[338:24]** people that I think he's going to he's going to my dad's probably going to get arrested or something. He's done some stuff that's pretty bad here. I think um they didn't do anything. There was private conversations that made it sound like actions would be taken, but in the end nothing happened. And so they went public. after they went public, after it went on social media, after it went on Facebook, then they came out with uh a letter announcing some stuff about Bob. Uh it was only then because it was damage control and covered up culture and it was not what it should have been. **[338:55]** Bob Hartley is close to Bethl and close to Bill. Um after Bill's wife passed in 2022, again, sadly, and I'm sorry for that, Bill. Um super tragic. Um, but after that happened, Bob Hartley was the one who prophesied to him that God was going to give Bill a coutura, a second wife. And then Bill went and pursued a young woman from his church for a little while and it ultimately fell apart. And then Bill posted on Instagram complaining about his church and suggesting that it was it was their fault for not embracing the **[339:27]** adventure or something weird like that. Um, so here this is it. I'm going to I'm going to end this video now. Here's the conclusion. Here's my final call. And I hope I can do this well. My call to charismatic leaders is you have to call them all out. All of them. I know that there's leaders who have sin in their lives. And that doesn't always need to be exposed. Okay? **[339:58]** It doesn't. But when you have people who are faking prophecy, I don't care who they are, they have to be called out publicly. And you may feel powerless. You may feel like you're nobody, but I'm telling you, there's an rising army of people who will come alongside and defend and support you. You just have to open your mouth and start saying what you know. I don't care if you're on staff at Bethl, you need to start speaking the truth. It doesn't matter if if it's with Benny Hen or you're with Jesus Image or you're with uh Morning Star. Just start speaking the truth because the one thing that that is absolutely going to cleanse the church **[340:29]** in the charismatic world is the truth. Rip the band-aid off. Call them out. And we need to deliver people like Shawn BS over to Satan. As scripture says, what I mean is excommunication. The guy should not be invited or welcomed into any church building until he publicly repents and confesses. And Sean BS, let me say since I've targeted you so much in this video. Here's a here's a message to you personally, Sean. I will champion you if you repent. But your repentance has to **[341:00]** have one qualifier. You have to tell us all the people you know about. All of them. If you openly say the truth about the people you know about who are faking things, who are manipulating things, and the stuff that you know behind the scenes, then we'll believe it's real. Otherwise, I just don't believe you. I just don't believe you. And I've talked to your victims, former employees, they care about you still and they want they would rather see you repent. They just don't believe you. They don't trust you will. But, but that's what they would prefer. They care about you. They they know you need help. They know you need help. You need counseling. You need real **[341:30]** help. and um and I will I will open arms lovingly embrace you and encourage you um if indeed you you come broken but until then you are an enemy to the church and you have to be kicked out you be excommunicated from the body from anybody any group of Christians because of your behaviors and that is true of so many people that's true of Bob Hartley so that's the rabbit hole guys that's the rabbit hole where the church can go from here is **[342:02]** really simple. Normal people holding fast to moral truth and righteous standards, no matter who gets ups upset with them for it, no matter who gets irritated with them for it, where you simply won't let it go. And you'll realize that if you've been the victim of a fake prophet, you have a lot of power to tell the truth. You really do. And when you start thinking about all the other people he's going to continue to victimize for the next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you realize you have a good reason to come forward and tell the truth and a lot of us will **[342:33]** support you. So, I am sorry. I mean, part of me is really sorry to bring this video to you and make this video. I don't like this. I don't take pleasure in it. Um, man, I wish it could have been better. I I reached out to Bethl a long time ago and asked if I could talk to to Chris or Danny about these situations and they don't want to talk to me. Um I have talked to another leader at Bethl who's um one I have not mentioned who you guys don't know and um I hope there's I hope there's real change. I hope there's real reform. I do believe it can happen but it would take such a change of the structure that you **[343:04]** guys would be calling out your own foundations as false. That's what it's going to take. And I will champion you if you do that for what it's worth. I mean who am I? I'm just trying to be a voice for these people. This is dedicated to the victims of Shawn Bulls. And this has been chasing him down the rabbit hole into the coverup culture that is going on in the charismatic church. Now, you know, and there's more coming. I'm not done yet. I want to be, but I have to share more. So, that's it. I want to pray before we **[343:35]** go. Um, Father God, we know that without your grace, none of us would stand. We know that you want us to be a group of people who are not just enraged and angry, but who are reaching out with with righteous hands of justice and mercy both. And so we pray for that. We pray that you'd help your church to respond like the church to these things. That we would root out wickedness and we would root out deceit and lies, but that we would also bring comfort and support. And it wouldn't just be about destroying things, but it would be about rebuilding and establishing things. And we pray for that. I pray for the for the charismatic **[344:06]** leaders now who are righteous, who stand in truth, who do not deceive knowingly deceive anybody. Um, and we pray that you would guide and direct them and you'd raise them up as new voices inside the charismatic church to be proper guides, to be those who gain the authority in the eyes of others so that they can um create a new culture where uh where there is goodness and righteousness in Jesus name. Amen. **[344:39]** I actually just finished editing this video. Spent the last couple days um probably 20 something hours editing the video and um looking back over it. I I don't want to end it where I did. I want to offer a word of encouragement. Um, if you have been part of the charismatic movement, if you have been under one of these teachers, even blessed by one of these teachers, can I tell you something? That's okay. Um, be encouraged. Try to take whatever good you've received and hold on to that, but you will have to go through a process **[345:10]** that may take some time. I've talked to a bunch of people who've gone through this process, and it's difficult, but there's light at the end of the tunnel. And that process involves sort of disentangling some of the stuff that you've experienced uh from your genuine Christian faith. And I want to encourage you that in Jeremiah's day, there were so many fake false prophets. Now, they weren't supposed to be at home in the church in that sense, in that analogy, but they were there and there was still the real. And there's been around the world, there's been millions of false **[345:42]** religions or however many false religions, yet there is one that is actually true. When Jesus came, there was one real Messiah, even though there have been a lot of false messiahs. Jesus talked about how there could be tears amongst the wheat. Um, we understand that we want our churches and our fellowships and our experience as Christians to be perfect and it just often isn't the case. And that's okay. That's part of the real world and part of how we grow. And I I would just want to encourage you in that. Don't overreact to these things and throw out the uh the truth of Christ with the fake **[346:13]** that you're confronting and dealing with. and wrestling with and working through. We know that in the book of Revelation and 1 Corinthians that there were problems in the church, even significant problems in the church and it was still real Christians that were there, but there were real problems that were there. I want to remind you of the gospel of Jesus Christ. That God himself took on human form. Jesus came, born of a virgin. He lived the perfect sinless life for us. Did the thing that you and I have not done. All of us, if if we were to be called out on every sin, we would all fail. We would all be completely fallen short of God's glory. **[346:44]** and destined for a a judgment apart from God. Um the wrath of God, but Jesus took our sin upon himself on the cross. He died for you. He died for me. That we would just trust in him and receive salvation. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. And you know why I'm telling you these things that you have already heard and already know? Because you need to cling to the things that are true. And from there, you work through the things that are false. And from there you you you disentangle the stuff **[347:16]** that doesn't belong. So I just want to encourage you. Christ, he is not like these examples I've given today. He actually has verifiable prophetic fulfillment in his life. Like real fulfillment of prophecy. And I've done a whole series of video. I've taken my same mentality and skeptical mind and I've examined the text of the scriptures and I've examined the evidence for Christianity and the support there is for the resurrection of Jesus. And I mean fulfilled prophecy, one of my favorite subjects in the world. It's it's so so good. Christ is trustworthy. God is good. I want to read you a **[347:47]** scripture that might encourage you if this all is setting you into a time of sort of purification by fire, some difficulty, some challenges. Let me remind you of this. Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through **[348:18]** faith for a salvation ready to re be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuiness of your faith, more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. This, if this puts you into a tail spin, this is, I pray, a time of testing, not a time of **[348:49]** destruction, a time of purification. Because when when fire comes, as this text in in front of you says, when fire comes and tests gold, it brings the impurities to the top so that they can scrape them away. That's the dross. You get rid of that. That is the idea. And I'm praying that within the charismatic church and within your life individually, that you find yourself more purified, more focused upon Christ, more genuine and real, but not, I hope, just cynical. I am still not cynical. I am, yeah, I'm very highly skeptical of **[349:21]** specific patterns and specific habits and specific individuals, but I'm not cynical about the work of the Holy Spirit in the church, about the idea of God giving us something really special through a real move of the Holy Spirit or a revival or a prophecy or even tongues and those kinds of things. Um, you don't have to discard the real because you're getting rid of the fake. But we do have to stop embracing the fake, thinking it's some pathway to the real. That has to stop. **[349:53]** So, I I hope that's some encouragement to you. I'm sorry for bringing you guys this video. I know that it's it's uh unpleasant and I've spent the past year uh listening to victims and talking with people and gathering stuff. And I'm going to try to get it all out there and then I want to move on to other things. I just want to steward well th those stories and those individuals and the situations that have come my way. And I appreciate your prayers as I do that. Thank you.