Where AI Meets Music: Deezer's Statistics  🔗 **Source:** [Where AI Meets Music: Deezer's Statistics](https://share.snipd.com/episode/4a6d43b2-0697-477d-9eca-10da3f796138) ## Highlights - **AI Tracks Now Over Half Of Deezer Uploads** - Deezer reports AI-generated tracks are now more than 50% of daily uploads, rising sharply from ~10% last January. - Jaeden sees this as representative of wider platforms like Spotify and Apple Music, not just France. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer Today, we're talking about Deezer that says AI generated tracks are now more than 50% of all their daily uploads. So half of all music going up is AI. And for those that don't know Deezer, it's essentially a Spotify or Apple music competitor. It's the biggest one in France. When I, you know, I lived in France for a couple of years. That's basically what ever listens to music on and a lot of different places in Europe, it's pretty popular. And the reason why I think it's important is because I think it's indicative of what's happening in a lot of different geographies, not just France, but you're probably seeing something Very similar on Apple and Spotify. So we're getting into the state of all of all of this with AI and music generation. But before we do, I want to tell you about the AI hustle school community. Every single week, Jamie and I, we go and record a bonus piece content we put on the AI Hustle School community, and we actually record a live stream. Right now, for the end of the month, it is free to join the AI Hustle School community. It won't be free forever. And with the free membership, you get five of our bonus videos, you get live streams every single week for free, and you get access to a community of over 570 members. We have over 100 videos we've recorded of how we grow and scale our businesses using AI tools, the numbers, the metrics, the breakdown, all the stuff we're going to share publicly. That's $19 a month if you want to get access to the library of over a hundred videos, but otherwise you can join the school community for free and you can get access to tons of incredible Members and an amazing community. Okay. Let's talk about what's going on with Deezer. So this is a company that said that they're going to delist AI tracks that are unstreamed for six months, because they said that they're getting 90,000 uploads per day. ([Time 0:00:01](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d24bf822-b278-4f36-90d4-33add7d5dc86)) - **Deezer Will Remove Unstreamed Tracks After Six Months** - Deezer will delist tracks that remain unstreamed for six months to manage storage and noise. - Jaeden frames this largely as a server-cost and noise-reduction move given the flood of low-interest uploads. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer So this is a company that said that they're going to delist AI tracks that are unstreamed for six months, because they said that they're getting 90,000 uploads per day. And so they're like, look, if you don't get any streams on your song for six months, we're just going to unlist you because we have so much music, just the volume of it is insane. And I'm going to be honest, it's, you know, using a company like Suno, it's very easy to create a song that sounds good. And it's interesting because I know people have a lot of different opinions on this. I personally make a lot of money every single month from Spotify, a chunk of my catalog I made before AI was without using AI essentially, and a chunk of my catalog I've used with AI. Some songs I've remade with AI since, you know, like a lot of stuff I made when I was in college. The biggest part of my catalogs, I would just basically make relaxing piano music. I had a friend that was good at just playing relaxing piano music. I'd get him to record for a couple hours. I'd take that, chop it into two minute chunks and just post it as songs online to study to or relaxing music. ([Time 0:01:22](https://share.snipd.com/snip/84f63110-4e64-4714-b675-df95f22c48d3)) - **Host Earns Passive Income From AI And Non-AI Tracks** - Jaeden earns recurring income from music, some created pre-AI and some using AI, including a humorous relaxing piano album for cats that nets ~$600/month. - He uses this to argue AI can be a real revenue source if people listen. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer And it's interesting because I know people have a lot of different opinions on this. I personally make a lot of money every single month from Spotify, a chunk of my catalog I made before AI was without using AI essentially, and a chunk of my catalog I've used with AI. Some songs I've remade with AI since, you know, like a lot of stuff I made when I was in college. The biggest part of my catalogs, I would just basically make relaxing piano music. I had a friend that was good at just playing relaxing piano music. I'd get him to record for a couple hours. I'd take that, chop it into two minute chunks and just post it as songs online to study to or relaxing music. Most famously, a lot of people laugh that I have a lot of music labeled relaxing music for your cat to help your cat relax. And I make $600 a month. And I have since I was in college on like an album of relaxing piano music for cats, which is kind of funny. So what's interesting about all of this, though, is I do make a lot of money from AI, but it's also stuff that's getting streamed and listened to. ([Time 0:01:48](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f8994621-1ec0-4f91-8514-f292895575ec)) - **Instrumentals Mask AI More Easily Than Vocals** - Instrumental AI music often passes as human-made; vocals and complex timbres still frequently reveal AI artifacts. - Jaeden notes relaxing piano and ambient pieces are particularly indistinguishable from real recordings. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer But that being said, I have listened to some AI music. I was recently, you know, scrolling through Instagram, tapping on some Instagram stories, saw someone's story, there was a song in the background. I was like, yeah, that's a pretty catchy song, looked it up. And sure enough, once I got it, I realized it was AI generated because by the way, this person was doing something pretty sketchy. I think they use the name of another famous artist as the artist name. So that's how they got streams on their song. But their song was pretty good. I actually really liked it. It was very wholesome, but it was AI generated. But the other day I was actually on YouTube and I found a whole playlist of this like folk music and the style I like. And it was AI generated and I clicked in and I honestly sounded great. So I listened to it for probably like half an hour. My wife was laughing at me, but I was like, honestly, sounds good. So I can see it both ways. And sometimes it's less obvious. If it's instrumentals, it's not very obvious, right? Relaxing piano music that's AI generated sounds just like normal piano music to me. But if there's like singers and different instruments, like guitar twang, I can usually hear tell the AI generated. That's also because I'm generating a lot of stuff. So I get a good understanding of this. ([Time 0:03:01](https://share.snipd.com/snip/ff41e71f-0f73-4603-a07d-9f903e2a6d5b)) - **Use AI To Polish Recordings Not Replace Performers** - Use AI as a production aid to fix recording issues rather than replace the artist; aim to keep the performance recognizably yours. - Jaeden recommends AI polishing for recording, mixing, and mastering when hiring a producer isn't feasible. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer I'm a podcaster and she's a full time mom for the most part. She's really good at writing songs. They sound amazing. She plays them live. But when it comes to recording, the recording process, the mixing, the mastering, all of that is basically the bane of our existence. We hate it. And I haven't gotten around to paying like a producer to go and make it all sound good or even to record it all because sometimes I'm like, shoot, the AC unit was on when we were recording And there's like a hum in the background. Now we got to put some compressors on it. And I don't know really what I'm doing if I'm being honest. So the problem is, I wish there was a way to if she could just record her music how she does, put it in some sort of ai platform and it goes and like fixes everything for it to make it sound good But it's still her it's still her playing i would say you know right on and that's honestly what a lot of plugins even on a lot of these music editing platforms do like they're going and Kind of manipulating things even there's like flex pitch or there's you know melodyne that's like auto correcting your your pitch a little bit so like there's all these things and ways That quote unquote AI or computer software has been like used in people's music forever. And somehow when it's like a kind of somewhat autonomous, people don't like it. But I think if you're a creative artist and you're using AI to help you with your flow, I mean, you're just using software. ([Time 0:04:48](https://share.snipd.com/snip/a684141a-4ae5-442a-81af-32352df63fc9)) - **Suno Scraped Music Then Shifted To Licensed Models** - Suno and Udeo reportedly trained on scraped copyrighted music and podcasts, prompting major copyright suits. - Suno is retraining new models on licensed data after legal pushback and will offer licensed-content models going forward. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer Both of them have major copyright suits. Basically, Suno went and scraped like all music. And that's what they used to train their model which by the way i've been saying for years i knew they did this because their models were just it just felt like it was it was too good it's If you've ever tried suno it's incredible you can just make absolutely amazing music and you can one shot it and so yeah they they went and scraped everyone's stuff they also apparently Scraped 100 000 podcasts and it's for this reason that they are now actually ditching the old models that they use to make that they used all that content to make. And they're now retraining new models with content that they have licensed. And that's what they're going to, that's going to be their new models that they're put out. ([Time 0:07:20](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e2ad874f-c96e-411d-8a92-f0bda081076c)) - **Pirated Training Data Accelerated Some AI Competitors** - Jaeden argues some companies used scraped data to achieve product quality and then raised funds to license content, a controversial growth path. - He notes that this pattern also explains why some models initially outperformed competitors. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer Is there other ways to do it? Should people do it correctly? Yes, yes, yes, obviously. But at the end of the day, could Suno have been a company, let's say they were, you know, they were like, they were unable to raise money because their model just sounded bad. So they stole everyone's stuff, made a model that sounded good, gonna have to pay millions of dollars of fines, but but they were also able to make a model that sounded good prove that The use case work from the proof of the use case they were able to raise all the money to go and actually license the content and go pay the fines so i don't know like it sounds kind of crazy And my only other argument on this would be so i'm not saying that they should have done what they did or anything but i mean i don't see any other way their company could have really existed Realistically the other thing that I will say, and another argument on all of this is that the Chinese models do not have any of these kind of copyright restraints. And they could go make they could clone like Claude clones, they could download all the music like Suno downloaded, there would be no negative repercussions for them. So if you know, some of these models were didn't do that, we'd probably have just a bunch of really good Chinese models or maybe OpenAI would just be significantly less good with less Competition. And they'd kind of have tried to fill in some of those gaps in the market. ([Time 0:08:25](https://share.snipd.com/snip/574a3fbd-2776-49f1-b6a1-4fb644d8b6e9)) - **Disclose AI Use And Secure Proper Licenses** - Disclose when music is AI-generated and ensure licensing; Deezer released detection tools and a playlist scanner for Apple Music and Spotify. - Jaeden emphasizes transparency and legal licensing to avoid disputes and platform penalties. Transcript: Jaeden Schafer I will say that Deezer opened its detection tools to other platforms. They have AI detected music tools. They've let other people use that earlier this year. And they also released a scanner for Apple Music and Spotify playlists last month. So you can scan not just so you can scan playlists that you listen to, to just to, you know, discover if there's AI generated music inside of them. So at the end of the day, I think disclosure is the key. If you're creating music, and it's AI generated, it's got to be disclosed, people should know beyond that you should have licenses to your stuff, which again, another interesting Point is that Suno, right? When they downloaded everyone's stuff, they had in their terms, like, Hey, this is totally licensed, you can use this for whatever you want commercial purposes. And I mean, to be fair, like, I have done that I've posted music that I generated on Suno online, and I make money from it. And I mean, they had commercial purposes on my licensing. So they're the ones getting the lawsuits. And they're the ones that have to fight it. But their users are fine. Because I mean, what what did I know back then, right? So in any case, it's a very crazy world. It almost makes me wonder if I should go and like, regenerate some of my songs once their new model that they have licensing comes out, or if it matters or what the difference is. ([Time 0:09:35](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5ab4aaed-73ef-40bb-a9ca-b493000a22b9))