Why the WordPress Ecosystem Outshines Competitors

Why the WordPress Ecosystem Outshines Competitors ![rw-book-cover](https://share.snipd.com/share-image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.transistorcdn.com%2Ft5ClDS2raVsJTebN6arnU6bAv7uprL9vdbhfrLgCjoY%2Frs%3Afill%3A0%3A0%3A1%2Fw%3A1400%2Fh%3A1400%2Fq%3A60%2Fmb%3A500000%2FaHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct%2FdXBsb2FkLXByb2R1%2FY3Rpb24udHJhbnNp%2Fc3Rvci5mbS8zZDhl%2FYzIxN2QwOWRmYjQ1%2FOTM2ZjMwZWRiYzli%2FM2ExMC5wbmc.jpg&width=512&height=512) ## Document Notes > [!note]+ Document Notes > tags: [wordpress, ecosystem, business-model, open-source] > author: WP Minute > source: YouTube > reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JaXixHf1A > date created: 2024-12-19 09:30 > > # 🏷️ Title: Why the WordPress Ecosystem Outshines Competitors >  ## 🧰 Action Inbox - [H1] Research Drupal's module marketplace restrictions — understand competitive landscape #research - [H2] Analyze Shopify's ecosystem model — learn from SaaS success patterns #analysis - [H3] Document WordPress publishing workflow gaps — identify plugin opportunities #documentation ## 🧭 Table of Contents - [📝 Summary](#-summary) - [📖 Main Content](#-main-content) - [🗒️ Notes](#️-notes) - [📚 References](#-references) - [🗣️ Paraphrase](#️-paraphrase) - [📰 Newsletter](#-newsletter) - [✅ Action Items](#-action-items) - [🧪 Hypotheses](#-hypotheses) - [📊 Methodology](#-methodology) - [❓ Questions](#-questions) - [🔮 Future Research](#-future-research) - [💡 Implications](#-implications) - [🧠 Learning Styles Assessment](#-learning-styles-assessment) - [📊 Accessibility Assessment](#-accessibility-assessment) - [🌍 DEIB Assessment](#-deib-assessment) - [✅ Logical Validity](#-logical-validity) - [🛡️ DARVO Analysis](#-darvo-analysis) - [🎯 Conclusion](#-conclusion) ### 🔗 References - [WP Minute Plus Podcast](https://wpmin.com) - [PublishPress](https://publishpress.com) ## 📝 Summary - WordPress succeeded by enabling a commercial ecosystem where businesses can sell plugins, unlike Drupal's restrictions or Joomla's lack of backing - The platform follows the 80% philosophy, leaving specialized features like advanced publishing workflows to plugins rather than core - Key stakeholders are plugin developers, enterprises, and content publishers seeking workflow solutions - Risk is feature creep in core; tradeoff is maintaining simplicity while serving diverse needs - Bottom line: WordPress's business-friendly ecosystem model drives innovation and growth ## 📖 Main Content Steve Burge, founder of Ramble Ventures (PublishPress, Logivity), explains why WordPress outperforms competitors like Drupal and Joomla. The key differentiator is WordPress's business model that encourages commercial plugin development. Drupal historically restricted module sales, limiting commercial innovation. Joomla lacked sufficient business backing to support large-scale development. WordPress enabled an ecosystem of small businesses to thrive, similar to how Shopify succeeded in SaaS by allowing third-party add-ons. For publishing workflows, WordPress core intentionally stays minimal, following the 80% philosophy. Advanced workflow tools serve specialized needs (pharmaceutical companies requiring medical accuracy) that represent less than 1% of users. Basic draft-pending-published statuses suffice for most teams. ## 🗒️ Notes #### ⏱️ [00:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=0) — [H1] Introduction and guest background - Key idea: Steve Burge founded Ramble Ventures behind PublishPress and Logivity - Evidence: "Steve is the founder of Ramble Ventures, the company behind popular plugins like Publish Press and Logivity" #### ⏱️ [00:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=30) — [H1] WordPress vs competitors comparison question - Key idea: Steve has written books on multiple CMS platforms including Joomla and Drupal - Evidence: "You've written books on several of these systems including Joomla, Drupal" #### ⏱️ [01:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=60) — [H1] WordPress got the business model right - Key idea: WordPress succeeded by enabling commercial ecosystems while competitors failed - Evidence: "WordPress got the business the product business side of things right" #### ⏱️ [01:15](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=75) — [H2] Drupal's commercial restrictions - Key idea: Drupal historically didn't allow developers to sell modules commercially - Evidence: "Drupal really didn't allow you to sell modules in their case their version of plugins" #### ⏱️ [01:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=90) — [H2] Joomla's business backing limitations - Key idea: Joomla lacked the business infrastructure to support large-scale growth - Evidence: "Joomla just didn't really have the business behind it to drive the growth, to drive the structures you need to support a big project" #### ⏱️ [02:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=120) — [H1] WordPress ecosystem enables small business growth - Key idea: WordPress created conditions for small businesses to thrive around the platform - Evidence: "WordPress got it right in terms of allowing an ecosystem of small businesses to grow up around it" #### ⏱️ [02:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=150) — [H2] Premium plugins drive contributions - Key idea: Commercial plugins like Yoast SEO provide free versions that benefit all users - Evidence: "even the premium plugins that we have now we take for granted just like Yoast for example" #### ⏱️ [03:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=180) — [H1] Shopify parallels in SaaS world - Key idea: Shopify succeeded similarly by allowing ecosystem growth unlike locked-down competitors - Evidence: "Shopify has won in that space by allowing a huge ecosystem to grow up around it" #### ⏱️ [03:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=210) — [H2] Locked-down competitors struggle - Key idea: Squarespace, Wix, and Weebly don't enable profitable third-party development - Evidence: "I don't think I've ever met anyone who has made a good living by selling add-ons to Wix" #### ⏱️ [04:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=240) — [H1] Publishing workflow question - Key idea: Discussion shifts to WordPress's capabilities for custom publishing workflows - Evidence: "how do you think WordPress is doing right now in terms of publishing?" #### ⏱️ [04:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=270) — [H1] No core publishing workflows exist - Key idea: WordPress core provides no advanced workflow features by design - Evidence: "Well, there is none. everything has to be all of that is in the realm of plugins" #### ⏱️ [05:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=300) — [H2] 80% philosophy justification - Key idea: Workflow tools serve specialized needs beyond the 80% of typical users - Evidence: "they have the 80% philosophy and those workflow tools are not for the 80% of people" #### ⏱️ [05:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=330) — [H3] Enterprise workflow requirements - Key idea: Pharmaceutical companies need rigorous workflows due to regulatory requirements - Evidence: "pharmaceutical companies where they're very much at the 1% end of the spectrum where if they publish something incorrect on their website like incorrect medical information they're in a world of hurt" #### ⏱️ [06:00](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=360) — [H2] Core vs plugin territory philosophy - Key idea: WordPress intentionally leaves specialized features to plugins like contact forms and e-commerce - Evidence: "there's no contact form in the WordPress core, for example. no e-commerce. all of that's plugin territory" #### ⏱️ [06:30](https://youtu.be/q2JaXixHf1A?t=390) — [H1] Plugin flexibility as strength - Key idea: WordPress's plugin system provides unlimited customization options - Evidence: "That's kind of the beauty of WordPress. You're not stopped with one way to do" ## 📚 References - [WP Minute Podcast](https://wpmin.com) - [PublishPress](https://publishpress.com) - [Logivity](https://logivity.com) - [Yoast SEO](https://yoast.com) ## 🗣️ Paraphrase - WordPress succeeded where Drupal and Joomla failed by creating business-friendly conditions that allow commercial plugin development to flourish - The platform intentionally keeps core minimal, following the 80% philosophy that serves most users while leaving specialized needs to plugins - This ecosystem approach mirrors successful SaaS platforms like Shopify, contrasting with locked-down competitors that don't enable third-party monetization ## 📰 Newsletter 🎯 **WordPress's Secret Weapon: The Business Ecosystem** While other platforms restrict commercial development, WordPress thrives by enabling plugin businesses to flourish. Steve Burge from PublishPress explains how this ecosystem approach beats competitors. **Key insight**: WordPress follows the 80% philosophy - core handles common needs while plugins serve specialized requirements like advanced publishing workflows. **Practical benefit**: You're never stuck with one solution. Need custom workflows? Grab PublishPress. Want SEO? Yoast has you covered. **Community connection**: This business-friendly model creates jobs and drives innovation across thousands of plugin companies. Resources: [Learn WordPress](https://learn.wordpress.org/), [Developer Docs](https://developer.wordpress.org/), [WP-CLI](https://wp-cli.org/) ## ✅ Action Items #### WordPress - Core: Maintain 80% philosophy balance, resist workflow feature creep - Plugins: Document workflow plugin integration patterns, review directory policies - Community: Share ecosystem success stories, support plugin business education - Documentation: Create business model guidance for new plugin developers - Marketing: Highlight ecosystem advantages in competitive positioning #### Community - Maintainers: Develop plugin interoperability standards for workflow tools - Contributors: Focus core contributions on foundational features, not niche workflows - Sponsors: Support plugin directory improvements and business resource development ## 🧪 Hypotheses - Commercial plugin ecosystems drive more innovation than purely open-source models - Platforms that restrict monetization will have smaller third-party developer communities - The 80/20 rule applies to CMS feature requests with workflows in the 20% - SaaS and open-source platforms follow similar ecosystem success patterns ### 📊 Methodology - Compare plugin/extension counts across WordPress, Drupal, Joomla marketplaces - Survey developer income sources across different CMS platforms - Analyze feature request patterns to validate 80% philosophy - Study Shopify vs Squarespace ecosystem metrics ### ❓ Questions - How has Drupal's approach to commercial modules evolved since this interview? - What specific policies make WordPress more business-friendly than competitors? - Could WordPress core benefit from basic workflow features without violating 80% philosophy? ### 🔮 Future Research - Quantitative analysis of ecosystem health metrics across CMS platforms - Deep dive into successful SaaS ecosystem models for WordPress lessons - Investigation of workflow plugin interoperability challenges ### 💡 Implications - Practice: Plugin developers should focus on specialized needs rather than core functionality - Policy: WordPress should maintain business-friendly policies to preserve ecosystem advantage - Security: Commercial ecosystems require robust plugin review and update processes - Education: New developers need guidance on core vs plugin decision-making - Funding: Ecosystem health metrics should inform WordPress.org investment priorities ### 🧠 Learning Styles Assessment Reading level estimate: 8th grade #### 👀 Visual learners - Present: None in audio format - Improve: Ecosystem comparison charts, business model diagrams, plugin marketplace visuals #### 🔊 Aural learners - Present: Full interview audio available - Improve: Key quote highlights, summary podcast segment #### 🗣️ Verbal learners - Present: Clear explanations of technical concepts, business terminology - Improve: Glossary of CMS terms, analogy expansion #### 🧩 Kinesthetic learners - Present: None identified - Improve: Plugin installation guides, workflow setup tutorials #### 🧠 Logical learners - Present: Clear cause-effect reasoning about business models - Improve: Decision trees for core vs plugin features, ecosystem metrics #### 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Social learners - Present: Interview format enables discussion - Improve: Discussion prompts, community forum threads #### 🧘‍♀️ Solitary learners - Present: Individual listening experience - Improve: Reflection questions, personal ecosystem assessment tools #### 🌿 Naturalistic learners - Present: Ecosystem metaphors throughout discussion - Improve: Biological ecosystem analogies, sustainability considerations ### 📊 Accessibility Assessment #### Screen reader semantics - Present: Audio content with clear speaker identification - Improve: Structured transcript with proper headings, speaker labels #### Keyboard navigation - Present: Standard YouTube player controls - Improve: Timestamp navigation shortcuts #### Contrast and readability - Present: Not applicable for audio content - Improve: High contrast transcript formatting #### Text resizing and reflow - Present: YouTube auto-generated captions - Improve: Properly formatted, reviewable transcript #### Media and captions - Present: Auto-generated YouTube captions available - Improve: Human-reviewed captions, downloadable transcript #### Forms and interactions - Present: Basic YouTube interface - Improve: Accessible playlist organization #### Standards reference - Consider WCAG 2.2 AA requirements for media alternatives ### 🌍 DEIB Assessment #### Cultural breadth - Present: English-language content, US business model focus - Improve: Global plugin ecosystem examples, non-English CMS comparisons #### Inclusive language - Present: Professional business terminology, gender-neutral - Improve: Plain language alternatives for technical terms #### Neurodiversity support - Present: Clear speaker transitions, focused topic discussion - Improve: Chapter markers, content outline preview #### Representation - Present: Two male voices, business owner perspectives - Improve: Diverse plugin developer voices, varied business models #### Psychological safety - Present: Respectful platform comparisons, no personal attacks - Improve: Acknowledge legitimate alternative approaches ### ✅ Logical Validity #### Strong reasoning - Deductive strength: WordPress ecosystem success → business model advantage (strong evidence provided) - Inductive strength: Multiple platform comparisons → general ecosystem principles (solid sample) - Causal reasoning: Business policies → developer participation → innovation (clear chain) - Analogical strength: WordPress/Shopify vs Drupal/Squarespace comparison (relevant parallels) #### Fallacies - Survivorship bias: Focus on successful WordPress plugins without discussing failures - False dichotomy: Implies only commercial or non-commercial models work, ignoring hybrid approaches #### Tone of voice - Overall tone: Professional, experienced, measured - uses concrete examples and avoids hyperbole ### 🛡️ DARVO Analysis - Deny: No defensive denials present - Attack: No attacks on critics or competitors - Reverse victim/offender: No victim/offender dynamics - Emotional cues and rhetoric: Balanced, fact-based discussion without manipulation ## 🎯 Conclusion - WordPress's competitive advantage stems from its business-friendly ecosystem that enables commercial plugin development, unlike restricted competitors - The 80% philosophy successfully balances core simplicity with plugin extensibility for specialized needs - Platform success correlates with enabling third-party monetization, as seen in both WordPress and Shopify examples ## 🧱 Refactor Appendix ### 📚 Literature Split Pad Purpose: Stage CEE units that become Literature notes. Split level: H3 ### [H1] WordPress enables commercial ecosystems while competitors restrict them > [!quote] [Why the WordPress Ecosystem Outshines Competitors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JaXixHf1A) by [[WP Minute]] via [[YouTube]]. Published 2024. Accessed 2024-12-19. > "WordPress got it right in terms of allowing an ecosystem of small businesses to grow up around it." Key differentiator between WordPress success and Drupal/Joomla limitations in fostering innovation. [view highlight](https://youtu --- ## Full Transcript [00:00] Hi everyone and welcome to the WP [00:02] Minute. I'm your host Eric Caravac. [00:05] Today's episode features a segment from [00:07] my interview with Steve Burge. Steve is [00:10] the founder of Ramble Ventures, the [00:12] company behind popular plugins like [00:14] Publish Press and Logivity. [00:16] You'll find the full interview over on [00:18] our WP Minute Plus podcast. Visit the [00:21] wpmin.com [00:23] for all the details. [00:26] You've written books on on several of [00:28] these these systems including Jumla, [00:31] Drupal. [00:33] How how does WordPress compare in your [00:36] mind? Like and and was there like you [00:40] have experience with these different [00:41] open source platforms? [00:43] What is it about WordPress that made you [00:47] want to you know dedicate your business [00:49] to to uh to these products to that [00:53] ecosystem? They [00:56] speaking they being Matt maybe um [01:01] WordPress got the business [01:05] the product business side of things [01:08] right. Um Drupal really didn't allow you [01:13] to sell modules in their case their [01:16] version of plugins. Um, and Jumla just [01:19] didn't really have the the business [01:22] behind it to to drive the growth, to [01:26] drive the um just the all the all the [01:29] different structures you need to support [01:31] a big project. You need [01:34] um you think of all the hours the [01:36] automatic uh staff have dedicated to [01:40] WordPress over the years. Jumla just [01:42] didn't have that. So, Juma didn't have [01:44] the business behind it. uh Drupal didn't [01:47] have the business structure allowing [01:50] companies to sell modules, sell plugins. [01:53] Uh WordPress got it right in terms of [01:57] allowing a ecosystem of small businesses [01:59] to grow up around it. [02:00] >> Yeah. I mean if we were just focusing on [02:02] on core and only um you know the ability [02:06] to to uh provide free modules free [02:09] plugins I mean [02:12] I think you the contributions to [02:13] WordPress would be quite a bit smaller [02:16] and we wouldn't have I mean even the [02:17] premium plugins that we have now we take [02:19] for granted just like Yoast for example [02:22] um you know anybody could can can [02:25] install a free SEO plugin that does a [02:28] lot of good things for you and upgrade [02:30] you you know, but that doesn't exist [02:32] without the the kind of ecosystem that [02:34] we've we've built here. [02:36] >> You can see the same thing I think in [02:37] the SAS world that [02:40] um I'm not as familiar with it as I am [02:43] with the open source world, but to my [02:46] understanding uh Shopify has [02:51] has one in that in in that kind of space [02:54] by allowing a huge ecosystem to grow up [02:58] around it. whereas Squarespace, Wix, [03:02] Weebly, [03:04] um I don't think Web Flow does either. [03:07] They're much more locked down. I don't [03:09] think I've ever met anyone who is made a [03:12] good living by selling add-ons to Wix. [03:14] >> Um but um some businesses, some projects [03:18] get it right. Um and WordPress did and [03:22] Shopify has done in recent years too. So [03:26] h how do you think WordPress is doing [03:28] right now in terms of publishing? I know [03:30] you know like obviously Publish Press is [03:32] all about workflow. Taxo Press does does [03:34] a lot of that as well. Where do you [03:36] think its strengths lie right now and [03:38] where do you think maybe it should be [03:40] improved? [03:41] >> Are we talking publishing for ordinary [03:44] people, publishing for enterprises? The [03:46] >> why I guess the ability to to create [03:50] your own workflow publishing workflow. [03:52] So probably more on the higher end. [03:55] >> Well, there is none. um [03:58] uh [04:00] everything has to be all of that is in [04:02] the realm of of plugins [04:06] which [04:08] is not a knock on WordPress I guess cuz [04:10] they have [04:13] the 80% philosophy [04:15] and those workflow tools are not for the [04:20] 80% of people um even people with [04:25] several staff members members all [04:27] writing content can normally get away [04:29] with just using draft pending review and [04:34] published. [04:35] That's enough. The workflow tools are [04:37] really for the the 10% the 20% to have [04:41] much bigger teams. [04:44] Let's say we work with we've done work [04:46] with uh pharmaceutical companies where [04:49] they're very much at the 1% end of the [04:51] spectrum where if they publish something [04:53] incorrect on their website like uh some [04:56] incorrect medical information they're in [04:58] a world of hurt. They need to get it [05:00] right. But that's that's 0.1% [05:04] use stuff. So is WordPress doing very [05:08] well when it comes to publishing [05:10] workflows? No. But I I think it's fine [05:13] to leave that for for plug-in territory. [05:16] There's no um there's no contact form in [05:19] the WordPress core, for example. Um no [05:22] e-commerce. Um all of that's plug-in [05:24] territory. Yeah. I think we get a little [05:27] greedy sometimes about what we want in [05:28] core, right? I mean, you see you see it [05:31] online all over and over again. Why [05:33] don't we do this? Why don't we have [05:34] that? And in a lot of times, it's it's [05:39] really just a niche use, right? It's not [05:40] something that, as you said, everybody's [05:43] going to want. I mean, yeah, it would be [05:45] nice to have a a publishing workflow, [05:46] but I could also just grab a copy of [05:48] Publish Press and, you know, and and [05:51] refine it and of who can do what and, [05:54] you know, have different uh statuses and [05:57] and review systems in place. That that's [06:00] kind of the beauty of WordPress. You're [06:01] not stopped with one way to do  ## Highlights - **Platform Built For Business Growth** - WordPress succeeded by enabling a commercial ecosystem to flourish around it. - That business-friendly structure let small companies monetize plugins and grow the platform. Transcript: Steve Burge Speaking of they being Matt, maybe, WordPress got the business, the product business side of things right. Drupal really didn't allow you to sell modules in their case, their version of plugins. And Joomla just didn't really have the business behind it to drive the growth, to drive just all the different structures you need to support a big project. You need, I mean, you think of all the hours the automatic staff have dedicated to WordPress over the years. Joomla just didn't have that. So Joomla didn't have the business behind it. Drupal didn't have the business structure allowing companies to sell modules, sell plugins. ([Time 0:01:43](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f3a9d2b9-8588-49f1-9a4b-58ee3ec16738)) - **Ecosystems Beat Closed Platforms** - WordPress and Shopify both won by opening their platforms to third-party ecosystems. - Closed platforms like Squarespace and Wix limit opportunities for add-on businesses to thrive. Transcript: Steve Burge You need, I mean, you think of all the hours the automatic staff have dedicated to WordPress over the years. Joomla just didn't have that. So Joomla didn't have the business behind it. Drupal didn't have the business structure allowing companies to sell modules, sell plugins. WordPress got it right in terms of allowing an ecosystem of small businesses to grow up around it. Eric Karkovack Yeah, I mean, if we were just focusing on core and only, you know, the ability to provide free modules, free plugins, I mean, I think the contributions to WordPress would be quite a bit Smaller. And we wouldn't have, I mean, even the freemium plugins that we have now we take for granted just like yoast for example um you know anyone who can can install a free seo plugin that does A lot of good things for you and upgrade you know but that doesn't exist without the the kind of ecosystem that we've we've built here you can see the same thing i think in the SaaS world, Steve Burge That I'm not as familiar with it as I am with the open source world, but to my understanding, Shopify has won in that kind of space by allowing a huge ecosystem to grow up around it. Whereas Squarespace, Wix, Weebly, I don't think Webflow does either. They're much more locked down. I don't think I've ever met anyone who's made a good living by setting add-ons to Wix. But some businesses, some projects get it right. And WordPress did, and Shopify has done in recent years too. ([Time 0:02:20](https://share.snipd.com/snip/8ab7e441-546a-4296-ae80-59a74c188970)) - **Leverage Freemium To Drive Adoption** - Use freemium plugins to meet broad needs and upsell advanced features. - Offer a useful free tier to drive adoption and convert users to paid plans. Transcript: Eric Karkovack Yeah, I mean, if we were just focusing on core and only, you know, the ability to provide free modules, free plugins, I mean, I think the contributions to WordPress would be quite a bit Smaller. And we wouldn't have, I mean, even the freemium plugins that we have now we take for granted just like yoast for example um you know anyone who can can install a free seo plugin that does A lot of good things for you and upgrade you know but that doesn't exist without the the kind of ecosystem that we've we've built here you ([Time 0:02:48](https://share.snipd.com/snip/af546961-8a24-4ed9-ad61-cc2cd0b2fa97)) - **Core Focuses On The 80% Use Case** - Core intentionally leaves specialized publishing workflows to plugins under the 80% rule. - Workflow tools are niche and better served by plugin developers for larger or regulated teams. Transcript: Steve Burge Are we talking publishing for ordinary people, publishing for enterprises? I guess the ability to create your own publishing workflow. Eric Karkovack So probably more on the higher end. Steve Burge Well, there is none. Everything has to be, all of that is in the realm of plugins, which is not a knock on WordPress, I guess, because they have the 80% philosophy and those workflow tools are not for the 80 Percent of people um even people with several staff members or writing content can normally get away with just using draft pending review and published that's enough the workflow Tools are really for the the 10 the 20 to have much bigger teams let's say we work with we've done work with pharmaceutical companies where they're very much at the one percent end of the Spectrum where if they publish something incorrect on their website like some incorrect medical information they're in a world of hurt. They need to get it right. But that's 0.1% use stuff. So is WordPress doing very well when it comes to publishing workflows? No, but I think it's fine to leave that for plugin territory. ([Time 0:04:29](https://share.snipd.com/snip/65bdbd2b-c66c-4689-88cb-f3c809d8b8fb)) - **Use Plugins For Complex Publishing** - For complex publishing needs, install specialized workflow plugins like PublishPress. - Avoid expecting WordPress core to handle niche enterprise review and approval requirements. Transcript: Steve Burge There is none. Everything has to be, all of that is in the realm of plugins, which is not a knock on WordPress, I guess, because they have the 80% philosophy and those workflow tools are not for the 80 Percent of people um even people with several staff members or writing content can normally get away with just using draft pending review and published that's enough the workflow Tools are really for the the 10 the 20 to have much bigger teams let's say we work with we've done work with pharmaceutical companies where they're very much at the one percent end of the Spectrum where if they publish something incorrect on their website like some incorrect medical information they're in a world of hurt. They need to get it right. But that's 0.1% use stuff. So is WordPress doing very well when it comes to publishing workflows? No, but I think it's fine to leave that for plugin territory. There's no contact form in the WordPress core, for example. No e-commerce. All of that's plugin territory. Eric Karkovack Yeah, I think we get a little greedy sometimes about what we want in core, right? I mean, you see it online over and over again. Why don't we do this? Why don't we have that? And a lot of times, it's really just a niche use, right? It's not something that, as you said, everybody's going to want. I mean, yeah, it would be nice to have a publishing workflow, but I could also just grab a copy of PublishPress and, you know, and refine it of who can do what and, you know, have different Statuses and review systems in place. That's kind of the beauty of WordPress. You're not stuck with one way to do things. ([Time 0:04:44](https://share.snipd.com/snip/0bf2234b-18f0-45e3-8159-d8195cc182e2))