# Pedro Pascal Got Fired A Lot  ## Episode metadata - Episode title: Pedro Pascal Got Fired A Lot - Show: Fresh Air - Owner / Host: NPR - Guests: [Pedro Pascal](https://share.snipd.com/person/dd830711-e3de-4269-8f4a-584ebce97cc0) - Episode publish date: 2025-08-14 - Episode AI description: Pedro Pascal, a Chilean-born actor celebrated for his roles in The Last of Us and The Mandalorian, shares his journey from restaurant jobs to Emmy nominations. He talks about getting fired often and the challenges of his early acting career in New York. Pascal reflects on his family's exile from Chile, highlighting how personal experiences shape his performances. The conversation also dives into the emotional depth of his characters, the importance of supportive mentors, and the influence of music and family on his growth as an artist. - Mentioned books: [To Kill a Mockingbird](https://share.snipd.com/book/86164308-a022-4a8d-bddd-92801922b13f) by [Harper Lee](https://share.snipd.com/person/a15b892a-974b-4073-abcc-efe84960647f), [The Color Purple](https://share.snipd.com/book/ad56b43a-ffdf-4590-883b-c7a30d8f1c12) by [Alice Walker](https://share.snipd.com/person/4a8d5ee9-96a0-489c-acf7-eac46981a300), [Translator Lunine Pierre-Jerome](https://share.snipd.com/person/292feb2f-4719-4d54-a0d5-700c0cc3c6c5) - Duration: 43:46 - Episode URL: [Open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/0074f108-eb22-4c85-84a4-f1373f99ebf8) - Show URL: [Open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/show/74968254-1b39-42d5-89fb-0ba0e44cf3a3) - Export date: 2026-02-17T23:20:52 ## Snips ### [Game Narrative Shapes TV Role](https://share.snipd.com/snip/7e33715e-f3f1-4372-a57c-bfc9f58a0d12) 🎧 02:09 - 05:17 (03:07) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/6ade8478-cc85-4b12-a95e-88b9c62612bd" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - The Last of Us adapts a video game's deep, literary storytelling into a one-season arc for Joel. - Pascal saw the role as finite and mapped to the game's structure, which shaped expectations. #### 💬 Quote > That being said, because of the nature of what the character story arc is and how structured it is on the adaptation, it was always a one season deal. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on Joel's role and the show's structure #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** So I want to get folks up to speed if they don't know it. The Last of Us is based on this hit video game set in this post-apocalyptic America overrun by this fungal outbreak that turns people into the deadly infected. So basically like zombies on steroids. And at its core, it's about your character, Joel, who is really contending with the loss of his daughter and trying to survive in spite of all of this. And Ellie, a teenage girl, you all connect, and she might be humanity's last hope. We've watched you guys survive these impossible circumstances. And then season two happens, and I'm going to spoil it. You die very early on in a very brutal way. And I was completely blindsided. I know you have heard this before, but I actually had to take a break for a moment. Sure. Because it was so much. Even for you, it was a lot to see your character die. I **Pedro Pascal:** understand. I mean, it's happened to me on other shows I've watched. I've had to take breaks whenever they throw these kinds of blind sides. Yeah. It's sadistic to be attached to something. They know it, and they play with us, and we stick around. **Tonya Mosley:** Right. You know it in taking on the role. **Pedro Pascal:** I did, yeah. So that's kind of how, and of course, the whole world of Sure. really opened up to me when I took on this part. So it was just such a monumentally successful video game and the medium of storytelling within this, within gaming also very sophisticated and more and more so over the last decade. It's **Tonya Mosley:** a cinematic experience in itself playing the video game. **Pedro Pascal:** And also a very literary one as well because of how complex the stories can be and so all kinds of genres. And this one, obviously, really being unique in how kind of grounded it was in its human characters, right? And the more skill you have at playing the game, the more you can unlock the story as it unfolds, right? Because my nephews lost their minds when they found out that I'd gotten this job and I hadn't heard of it. I hadn't heard of the game. **Tonya Mosley:** You tell this funny story where they weren't just excited. They were like... **Pedro Pascal:** Yeah, they were like screaming. I called my older sister and they were in the car and I was on speaker and I didn't even get the four words out. I just got the last and they were like, the last of us. You got to do it, you know? And so that being said, because of the nature of what the character story arc is and how structured it is on the adaptation, it was always a one season deal. And then the second season would be very committed to the second part of the game and that it was all pretty mapped out. Right. In terms of like... were **Tonya Mosley:** going... Your character was a fine... For **Pedro Pascal:** a finite amount of time, you're going to die. Yeah. And that he was going to go early like he does in the experience of the game. --- ### [Joel’s Confession About Purpose](https://share.snipd.com/snip/54056f11-b87a-45b7-8601-b043fc638514) 🎧 06:03 - 07:15 (01:11) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/a63826d3-46d0-40f8-bc51-91fc858edb66" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - In a pivotal scene Joel explains he was "supposed to die" and that Ellie took his purpose. - Pascal performs Joel's conflicted love and acceptance of the consequences in the scene. #### 💬 Quote > I was supposed to die. That was my purpose. My life would have mattered, but you took that from me. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal performing Joel's explanation to Ellie #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** Let's listen. Making **Pedro Pascal:** a cure. **Tonya Mosley:** would have killed you. Then **Pedro Pascal:** I was supposed to die. That was my purpose. My life would have mattered, but you took that from me. And I'll pay the price. Because you're going to turn away from me. But if somehow I had a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again. Because you're selfish. Because I love you. In a way you can't understand. Maybe you never will. --- ### [Grief Explains Joel’s Choice](https://share.snipd.com/snip/caa34480-5fff-42b6-8fb4-88508d6a0a69) 🎧 08:21 - 10:29 (02:08) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/03f243f1-29f2-4446-9772-6b4cfb31a4e3" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal argues Joel can't rationally choose sacrifice because unresolved grief shapes his decisions. - He frames Joel's actions as emotionally compelled, not purely selfish calculation. #### 💬 Quote > He is incapable of losing her and incapable of processing in a rational way what would be a profound sacrifice for him for the greater good. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on Joel's inability to choose sacrifice due to grief #### 📚 Transcript **Pedro Pascal:** You know, it's interesting. I think that the primary way that I was able to understand it is that it isn't a choice. He is incapable of losing her and incapable of processing in a rational way what would be a profound sacrifice for him for the greater good. It is not something he is able to understand because of all of his unprocessed grief and loss over his original daughter that he was unable to save, that he's lived with. that is literally the kind of defining factor of his adult identity post-apocalypse. He is the man that didn't save his daughter's life. And before that, he was the man that lived for his daughter's life. And so once he's stepped into, reluctantly, but inevitably into that kind of a relationship again, he's incapable of giving her up. And I can imagine, so I can't objectively say that that's the right thing to do. And given any kind of like, you know, God forbid any of us find ourselves in circumstances like these. Right, right, yeah. But would just hope that you would do, you know, the right thing. but who knows what any of us would be capable of when it is related to love and grief and loss and trauma and, and all those things. And so, um, I was always like, well, he didn't have a choice, you know, even though he very clearly did, but not one that he was in relationship to. It's almost like his own body could only see one way. --- ### [SNL Felt Like Theater Ritual](https://share.snipd.com/snip/9f6ee03a-99c7-4931-860f-1367324d77d1) 🎧 12:10 - 15:03 (02:52) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/4a6595db-1975-479b-a4dc-705a6be6289c" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal described his SNL hosting as a 'romantic' professional experience tied to legacy and theatrical ritual. - He credited the SNL community and rituals (meetings, dinners) for disarming his fear of live TV. #### 💬 Quote > It was definitely like the most romantic experience I've ever had. Professionally. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal describing his experience hosting SNL #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** hosted SNL in 2023, but we're still talking about it like it was just yesterday. It comes up often. You know, it's like a high point for many actors. What did it mean for you? Oh, everything. **Pedro Pascal:** I have to say it's, I'm trying to lean away from being too hyperbolic about it, but it was definitely like the most romantic experience I've ever had. **Tonya Mosley:** Romantic? **Pedro Pascal:** Professionally. Yeah. What **Tonya Mosley:** do you mean by that? **Pedro Pascal:** It's legacy, you know, number one, what it has authored in terms of uh culture for for better or worse you know since it started and so it's just something i grew up with um some of its original stars are my biggest imprints yeah i mean eddie murphy from SNL. **Tonya Mosley:** I know, right? SNL **Pedro Pascal:** gave us Eddie Murphy. Right. **Tonya Mosley:** Were you thinking about that during your time on there? **Pedro Pascal:** I was thinking about all of that. And then I think that what I was expecting was all of that to really kind of make it a miserable experience because I would be so afraid and so in my head about bombing on live TV. really like marking a point in my life with public humiliation. **Tonya Mosley:** That's so much to hold. I **Pedro Pascal:** know, I know. But let's just say, you know, you hold it, but **Tonya Mosley:** you start to let it go. Was there a moment on the set where you were like, oh, I'm doing fine? **Pedro Pascal:** There is a process that is so, it's so ritual. And we have such an incredible community of actors, you know, that have gone through the experience. And so many of which that were so willing to kind of talk to me before I went into it. Because, you know, it's something you feel you can't say no to. But also with the offer is terror before excitement, which is the case for many people that I've spoken to. **Tonya Mosley:** Did you call up people or did people call you up when they found out you're going to be on there? **Pedro Pascal:** For the first couple of weeks, I didn't talk to anybody because I wasn't willing to think about it beyond my capacity of facing the reality that it was going to happen. And then once there was an announcement and, um, and it was out there, then I started to, I talked to friends that had been on it, but right before I got into like the, my first sort of like Monday night meeting with, uh, with the cast and the writers and Lauren Michaels. I was talking to Aubrey Plaza, who had just hosted and had slayed. And she took me through this process. She was just like, just go with it. Monday's this, Tuesday's that. Wednesday starts to ramp up and it starts to turn into this. And then Thursday, like, you know, like save yourself. --- ### [Going Viral And Embracing Fan Edits](https://share.snipd.com/snip/05ed3a40-5dc6-4ade-9fe7-68817956f824) 🎧 17:00 - 19:27 (02:26) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/415076b2-4537-41cf-9d2a-99c344191866" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal embraced SNL sketches like "Fan Cam Assembly," which amplified his meme status among young fans. - He said the fan edits and youth culture both perplexed and flattered him. #### 💬 Quote > I love the young generation so much. Just listening to that and all of the phrasing, I just die for it. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on fan cams and internet edits after SNL #### 📚 Transcript **Pedro Pascal:** yeah. **Tonya Mosley:** You were down. So my producers and I had a debate really about what clip to play because they were all so funny. But I want to play a clip from a skit you did called Fan Cam Assembly. So you play Mr. Ben. He's a popular high school teacher. He's leading this assembly with all these students in an auditorium about the tech rules of the school, specifically begging kids to stop making fan cams of you, Mr. Ben. And just to let the audience know, since they can't see it, like these fan cam videos, you're like, I mean, you know, they're edits. They're like, you're hot, like you're looking at the camera smoldering, you know, like you're all of this. And the students push back when you say, like, don't do this anymore. They push back with stand slang. And they keep cutting together new fan cams of you in real time. Let's listen. **Pedro Pascal:** No, skinny legend. Why are you doing this? Because **Tonya Mosley:** you have **Pedro Pascal:** made thousands of fan cams of me, and I'm not sure what they mean. I know it has to stop. But **Tonya Mosley:** we make them because you're our beloved and you have us **Pedro Pascal:** in a chokehold! Okay, don't say that. I just don't understand why do you make sparkly fast romantic montages of me every single day like this. I mean, we don't make them every day. Yeah, just on the days you send us or give us life. But what does that mean? **Tonya Mosley:** Don't worry. It just means your foot is always on our necks. See? Is **Pedro Pascal:** that... is that me right now? How did you make that so fast? And how did you take over access to the monitor? Mr. Ben, why are you so mad you're in your assembly era? I'm not mad. I'm confused. Is the way I ate this up a compliment because it was nom-nom and had you gagged? **Tonya Mosley:** Exactly. We love you down, Mr. Ben. You're so father, period. **Pedro Pascal:** That **Tonya Mosley:** was my guest today, Pedro Pascal on SNL from 2023. --- ### [Restaurant Jobs And Repeated Firings](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5f3987ae-3c60-403d-976e-83d45334878a) 🎧 23:33 - 25:28 (01:55) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/cf9bd960-18b3-44ca-924b-15ddb9796d68" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pedro Pascal worked restaurants between acting gigs and got fired many times before improving. - A supportive manager named Alyssa taught him to wait tables well and helped him stick with it. #### 💬 Quote > Is it true that you got fired like 10 times? Oh, yeah. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on getting fired from restaurant jobs #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** What were some of the things you were doing in those in-between times between roles, between theater roles and this episodic television appearances? I **Pedro Pascal:** was working in restaurants. Yeah. And I was never good at it because that's a real skill. know, service is highly, highly demanding work and highly laborious. And I mean, a lot of it can be anyway, some busy restaurants. I mean, that is some high octane. **Tonya Mosley:** Is it true that you got fired like 10 times? Oh, yeah. **Pedro Pascal:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. From **Tonya Mosley:** different restaurants? **Pedro Pascal:** Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Different that were opening up from, like, I got fired from being a barista. What was, like, **Tonya Mosley:** the number one reason? That's a lot of firings, Pedro. I **Pedro Pascal:** know. I know. You know, there would be a lot of different reasons. I'd be lying if I didn't say that sometimes it was attitude. Yeah, I'm not perfect. Um, and, uh, yeah, some one, one manager didn't like my attitude or one customer didn't like my attitude, or I just wasn't very, honestly, I wasn't very good at it. I didn't get good at it until it took years to get good at it. And to be sort of consistently in one place, there was a, I can't believe I'm talking about this, but there was a restaurant manager named Alyssa. And it's funny, we can turn this into kind of the theme of feeling and being seen and kind of believed in. You know what I mean? I had that at a restaurant, and she sort of stuck it out with me, and she really, really kind of helped me learn instead of through kind of pressure and antagonism, but support how to wait tables well. And she was just kind of like on your side as a restaurant manager. --- ### [Dance Training Informs Movement Work](https://share.snipd.com/snip/670f3dcc-56a9-4ccb-b111-7ab214a33bd3) 🎧 31:42 - 32:58 (01:15) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/08a0aa03-9e61-4dbc-bfe0-03c2e834b048" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal trained in dance during a performing arts program and later explored postmodern improvisational dance in college. - Early movement work led to downtown, site-specific performances and collaborations. #### 💬 Quote > I actually got sort of really seriously into, I guess what you would call sort of postmodern style of improvisational dance in college. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on his dance background and early performances #### 📚 Transcript **Pedro Pascal:** I never took class. But then in a performing arts program that my mother found that I went to from my freshman year in high school to graduation, you had to study dance, you know, did West Side Story. And I love dancing and actually got sort of really seriously into, I guess what you would call sort of postmodern style of improvisational dance in college. And that was the only work I could get when I graduated, actually, were through movement professors and doing a lot of downtown stuff. When you **Tonya Mosley:** say downtown, what do you mean? **Pedro Pascal:** South of 14th Street, St. Mark's Church, Lower East Side, East Village, site-specific performances, this piece called Demeter's Daughter that was conceived by a choreographer named Tamar Rogoff, who is a lifelong family friend and mentor to Claire Danes. What kinds of stuff would you do for them? dance, like, you know, sort of create movement and dance. And then it wasn't the kind of thing like, this is the choreography, learn it. It was like, let's move and let's write this together. **Tonya Mosley:** Kind of like improvisation, but for the body. **Pedro Pascal:** For movement. --- ### [Fight Scenes Are A Form Of Dance](https://share.snipd.com/snip/28642644-8f11-4b46-88a3-5e5150d36b6f) 🎧 33:06 - 35:25 (02:18) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/063290d6-bb7b-4a4d-9e7f-1f8dea09c96a" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal links acting physicality to his dance and movement background, especially in fight choreography. - He calls action and stage combat a form of choreography akin to dance. #### 💬 Quote > That is more dance than you can possibly believe. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on the physical choreography of fight scenes like in Game of Thrones #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** I'm thinking about in The Last of Us, how would you describe what Joel is holding in his body? **Pedro Pascal:** Yeah, holding a lot of trauma, one. And then in a more simple way, this is a man who works with his hands um he's a contractor and um he builds things um he i think expresses himself um uh through his physical relationship to work and to maintenance and that kind of thing. So sort of like understanding a person who works very roughly with his hands and is in sort of a very consistent relationship to physical labor, you know, in a way that he probably loves, because it's way easier than having a conversation. Right, **Tonya Mosley:** right. But it's so fascinating about you and your history with dancing, because I mean, so much of, well, so much of your acting is so physical. Like, I'm just thinking about a lot of films that you're in, there's so much silent power in what you're doing, but it's through your body that you're telling the story. **Pedro Pascal:** Well, Game of Thrones being a perfect example of, like, experiencing, you know, that level of exposure for a part. And one would argue that what the role is most known for is the fight. **Tonya Mosley:** Yes. And **Pedro Pascal:** that is more dance than you can possibly believe. If you don't want to get killed anyway, you know, that is physicality in its purest form. And that is choreography in its purest form. So it's just ironic because I was already pushing 40 when that job happened. And so the doors that opened were, frankly, leaning in the world of action, and a lot of highly, highly, highly physical choreography in the experiences, more so than I could have ever imagined. --- ### [Parents’ Exile From Chile Revealed Later](https://share.snipd.com/snip/bcf4522f-8c70-4f8e-bcc9-3380b68ea8d3) 🎧 35:42 - 38:59 (03:17) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/e615687a-6e8e-44e3-8e84-f82c891b44f5" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Pascal learned his parents fled Pinochet's Chile only later and then pieced together their exile story as an adult. - He recounted hiding, a priest tortured for names, and seeking asylum via embassies before reaching Denmark and then Texas. #### 💬 Quote > They were involved in the opposition movement against the military regime under Pinochet. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal recounting his parents' political exile from Chile #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** Growing up, what was the story that you heard? You **Pedro Pascal:** know, I didn't hear any stories about it, actually. And I hear stories now because I ask. And I also am met with the sort of desire to share and desire to tell what it meant for my father's sisters to say goodbye to their brother in that way, for my mother's family to live in the terror of the experience of her going into hiding. Because what's **Tonya Mosley:** the story? Because the story that you came to learn, your parents were very young. You were a baby and they fled from South America to the United States, to Texas. **Pedro Pascal:** Yes. We had asylum in Denmark first and were likely to stay there were it not for somebody that helped hire my father into his lab in San Antonio, Texas. Why **Tonya Mosley:** were your parents exiled? **Pedro Pascal:** Oh, well, they were involved in the opposition movement against the military regime under Pinochet. They were Allende supporters and, frankly, just very young and liberal. And my mother's side of the family, there's a cousin of my mother's, Andres Pascal, who was a leader of the opposition movement. And so that, I think, just by association, sort of could put the name and family in peril. to my mother's and father's home, knowing that my father was doing his residency at a hospital and asked for help. And he'd been shot in the leg. And it was a priest who brought him over to our house. And, you know, at this point I'm an infant, so obviously I have no memory. But the priest was taken into custody and he was tortured and he gave names and and then they went looking looking for my parents and and you know and so they they had to you know go into hiding and and find a way to um survive there are a lot of details that kind of go into it that create such a fascinating story, the odd circumstance of my father finding out that someone was in the lobby asking for his name and a patient that kind of interrupted the moment where the officer was about to ask my father who he was or his name, if he was Dr. In fact, Dr. Balmoseta and, um, and, uh, and, a patient that was like, you know, I'm in pain and, and, and no one is attending to me. And, um, I almost wonder, I mean, you know, you gotta be careful because you, you know, what, how much story do you build around it and what's really real? But this was this chance circumstance that gave my father the opportunity to sneak out the back, to go and get my mother and go into hiding. --- ### [SNL On A Difficult Anniversary](https://share.snipd.com/snip/7cca7e81-4155-47a7-9340-043ea48f2d7c) 🎧 43:47 - 46:08 (02:20) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/bd52d850-b2ec-4780-9e60-cd1d021329e7" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Hosting SNL fell on the anniversary of his mother's death, which Pascal initially feared would make the night harder. - Instead it became a day of family, joy, and a connection to his theatrical roots. #### 💬 Quote > Of course, there was so much opportunity there to sort of add fear to the experience in a profound way. This is going to be a double negative anniversary. > — Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal on hosting SNL on his mother's death anniversary #### 📚 Transcript **Tonya Mosley:** That SNL appearance, it also happened on the anniversary of your mother's death. **Pedro Pascal:** Mm-hmm. **Tonya Mosley:** Yeah. Did you clock that for yourself? **Pedro Pascal:** it was obviously a sad anniversary for most of my adult life and, and for my, you know, my, my, my family's life, my siblings, you know, their whole lives. And, and, and I, I don't think I realized it until there was kind of like a post-it note announcement in the way that SNL does, where they have the date, the host, and the musical guest. And I realized that I hadn't seen that. I hadn't seen those numbers together outside of my mother's gravestone. I was like, oh my gosh, wow. And of course, there was so much opportunity there to sort of add fear to the experience in a profound way. This is going to be a double negative anniversary. And, and it was the opposite. And my family was there. And it was a day of, like, achievement and joy, incredible joy, and community. Because the other magical part of SNL is that it really actually felt like old days in the theater, like up and doing a reading of somebody's play or like mounting something on the fly, you know? And were it not for all of those years, I think in New York, I think I, I, I cognitively could have easily had a total meltdown because of how you are needing to read cue cards and be in the moment. So that it would be, you know, on February 4th was a gift that I'm holding on to. **Tonya Mosley:** What a gift. **Pedro Pascal:** Yeah. Oh, **Tonya Mosley:** Pedro, this has been great. Thank **Pedro Pascal:** you, Tanya. Thank you so much for having me. I can't tell you this is part of my little pinch me moment. 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