# 84: Fabricated Hype ![Cover](https://wsrv.nl/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.transistorcdn.com%2F7-tuF7RMSNRIRfD3M2fNWLQLF-ShDgRiBeceKLOFVZc%2Frs%3Afill%3A0%3A0%3A1%2Fw%3A1400%2Fh%3A1400%2Fq%3A60%2Fmb%3A500000%2FaHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct%2FdXBsb2FkLXByb2R1%2FY3Rpb24udHJhbnNp%2Fc3Rvci5mbS9zaG93%2FLzQzNjc3LzE2OTE1%2FODI4NTItYXJ0d29y%2Fay5qcGc.jpg&w=500&h=500) ## Episode metadata - Episode title: 84: Fabricated Hype - Show: Mostly Technical - Owner / Host: Ian Landsman and Aaron Francis - Episode publish date: 2025-05-27 - Episode AI description: Ian and Aaron tackle the hot topic of AI newsletters, contemplating the changing landscape of technology. They dive into the challenges of PHP and Laravel development, pairing it with personal stories of balancing work and life. An intriguing discussion unfolds around the difference between genuine innovation and manufactured hype, especially in AI and cryptocurrency. The hosts reflect on family traditions and humorously dream of a state-run podcast network, all while exploring exciting tech developments and future events in their field. - Mentioned books: [Fight Club](https://share.snipd.com/book/bdd90cc0-73e7-42b6-b628-0a143f2c5420) by [James Colby](https://share.snipd.com/person/68ee7c12-f5ed-4bcc-ae4a-78623f39ab24), [Javier Calvo Perales](https://share.snipd.com/person/e22634a1-2ef6-4f47-ba84-180333efe621), [Jordi CussΓ  Balaguer](https://share.snipd.com/person/c595bc9d-5a42-4ef2-9599-118ade5d1f3e), [Chuck Palahniuk](https://share.snipd.com/person/23243f30-d2ed-48e3-b156-46258b9f4699) - Duration: 01:07:15 - Episode URL: [Open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/55172062-d98d-426b-ae28-64bdb7d1b42d) - Show URL: [Open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/show/7ad45fb4-8aa6-49c2-83cc-bc2327d14b03) - Export date: 2026-02-17T23:26:28 ## Snips ### [Using AI Tools for Coding](https://share.snipd.com/snip/179f0a72-6f9c-484b-99f9-3be0b8f024f1) 🎧 03:37 - 11:20 (07:42) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/07228c8f-4f86-472e-84f8-045ee3a5cf0d" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Aaron and Ian share their experiences using AI tools like Claude and Junie for programming tasks. - They highlight AI's role in reducing grunt work and providing useful code that still requires developer tweaking. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > I found in my own life through lived experience that coding with AI, I get way more done. But there's also way more that I want to do. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis on coding productivity with AI #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** You know, they're getting better. They are getting **Ian Landsman:** better. **Aaron Francis:** They're getting better. I resubscribed to Claude. Same. As soon as **Ian Landsman:** new model comes out, I gotta get it. **Aaron Francis:** Okay. So I went back to Claude, you know, tail between my legs, signed up for that again. four very good it is pretty good very good and i used so late last night i was working on something and i used the claude cli claude code i guess burned through like 15 dollars in about you know 30 minutes. But it's very impressive. I don't think it quite lived up to the hype that was on Twitter, which is obvious because everybody overhypes everything on Twitter. But it was still it was still very good, especially when you put it in that loop of run this command until it works. Like, sure, you did that, you know, you did the code, but run the command. it work no well keep debugging until it works yeah and i watched it do that for a while and it was like oh i you know installed the wrong version of the sdk so that's why the docs aren't matching let me fix that and it's like this is actually very very impressive yeah **Ian Landsman:** the i've been mostly using windsurf there and it can run commands and it can do the loop and make sure what it wrote passes the test and stuff. And they did the release for Cloud 4, which they did in a different way, which I liked, which is like, I guess specifically because of Cloud 4, for whatever reason, they didn't want to charge people like 20 credits or whatever. They opened it up to like, you can just put the API key in. So then you just pay for whatever you use which i'm like great so i plug that in um yeah it's definitely better i like the way it codes better um i still think i do so part of me would like the people on the internet who say like this new model is so amazing and then maybe when you use it it's not like all the way there part of me has been thinking lately that this is an us problem a little bit because **Aaron Francis:** that can't be right you don't think so i don't know where you're going with this but that can't be right i don't like and me not okay keep going **Ian Landsman:** but but uh i think they just don't really know kind of like i'm just wondering if like laravel hp if it's just not as baked in as like if i was doing go yeah i feel like it would nail it all and i feel like maybe there's just like a little there's something that doesn't know about packages as well it doesn't know like some of the like details around how you do a laravel app i feel like sometimes it doesn't do it the way i would do it or especially with live wire it doesn't do it the way i would do it so there's some stuff like that i feel like it's just not baked in there **Aaron Francis:** it's it's surprisingly frustrating to me that like you go and sign up for you know codex which is open ai's agent and it's like hey the environment's set up with you know python node ruby and you know whatever else and it's like okay well how do i install php i don't know man we don't do that here i go through a bunch of things. Or you to any big SDK or repo, and you're like, all right, let me get the SDK for PHP. And it's like, no, we don't have it. We've got Elixir. We've got Go. We've got Ruby. We've got Node. We've got 10 versions of TypeScript, but there's no PHP. I'm just like, **Ian Landsman:** what? What? Yeah. **Aaron Francis:** I get that people think it's not sexy, but it's still enormous like don't you just care about money i don't get it it's **Ian Landsman:** like yeah i don't know i think they're so caught up in their world of like san francisco apps are not often maybe built with php at the start or whatever it's like yes but there's all the whole world's out there building php apps i don't know so also in general I this is not a new thing, but I feel like it doesn't jump too well between versions of things. Like you have a major change, like Livewire 2 to Livewire 3, or even like different Laravel versions, it doesn't know about running the latest stuff. You know, it gets mixed up. The **Aaron Francis:** Tailwind 3 and Tailwind 4 was just a nightmare. **Ian Landsman:** It was **Aaron Francis:** just nobody could help me. It was not great. That **Ian Landsman:** was frustrating. So things that are still, I feel like, solvable, I'm sure, and will happen. But, yeah, but overall, the coding style, I thought, was really nice with Cloud 4. And just seemed, it's good. So far, I'm happy. But you've been doing the Junie, right? I haven't done the Junie too much. I've just done it a little bit. Junie's I don't like that you can't pick the models. **Aaron Francis:** I know, I know. That's like an old man yells at cloud thing. It really is. It's already like, why should you care? Just let us pick the right model for the right job. Yeah, Juni's very good. So Juni's PHP, or I guess JetBrains is built-in AI thing. It's agentic, which I just hate saying out loud because I sound like a bro. It operates on its own, we'll say. And it's very good. It's a little bit slower than I would hope. And I don't think you can run multiple at once. I haven't tried, but I don't think you can. But it's very good. I've had it write maybe five or six major things and had only minor stylistic changes. And I've been very impressed with it. yeah, you don't get to pick the model. I think it's like all the others, $20 a month or something. There's a free trial so you can get a taste. But then after that, it's $20 a month. So I've been using that quite a bit and I like that it's built in built into php store I know I do everybody keeps saying like windsurf is built in and all these others are built in I don't know I haven't tried them yet I tried the built-in cursor one time and it wasn't quite as good as I had hoped windsurf **Ian Landsman:** is way better than cursor in my opinion like the user interface i find far superior of the like ai part obviously the rest of it's exactly the same because all bs code but uh yeah but i would still greatly prefer php storm for sure if i could make it work so i gotta try i gotta get in there more and figure that out i do think the more i do with ai the more i think it's even like there's also like people kind of missing the point sometimes like i don't even really care how good a job it does in an aspect of like of course I want to be closer to being totally correct than not but it's also like I find it very useful as like an unstuck tool it's like oh I gotta build this feature or this page or whatever it's like there's like crud and like there's like this stuff you don't it's annoying I've been doing it 20 years I don't want to do it anymore and like it could go like do a good chunk of it and like, oh yeah, like I'm going to actually move all this stuff around. I'm going to edit it. I'm going to tweak this and that. Like I didn't have to go build the files. It's like stuff like that. It's like, it's there. It always has a few things I think I wouldn't have thought of. I'm like, that's like a good check or whatever that i'm sure i wouldn't have put in if i just like yep wrote it myself so i so it gets some enhancements over what i would have purely done i didn't have to do a lot of the grunt work now i can just like refine and even when it's just that level it's pretty useful i think it is it's **Aaron Francis:** incredibly useful even if it's the first and everybody's like oh it's 80 i don't care even if it's the first 50 yeah the first 50 is the hard part it's the crappy part if it makes all the files all the routes all the controllers and the responses and then you're like well this isn't quite right great it already did the sucky part go finish the rest or what what's also nice is like with you can do this specifically, I know, at least with codecs where you have it right, the whole thing. And then you're like, you know what? No, that's not it. I'm going to trash these 12 files that you just wrote. Open a new codex prompt and try again with like a more refined, you know, layout. And so that that part's really nice because you can have it do the first pass and then look at it and say, well, I messed that one up, didn't I? Let me trash that completely. Don't care. Nobody's feelings to worry about, including my own. --- ### [Rapid Build and Rebuild Strategy](https://share.snipd.com/snip/54a43000-4f59-4028-88e4-d515367db190) 🎧 11:49 - 12:50 (01:00) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/2123e6d2-7af0-4fe0-9d6e-4bf4aaadc461" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Build the first version of your product quickly using AI or rapid coding techniques. - Then discard it and rebuild; this process reveals flaws and clarifies the product’s purpose. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > Build your first like if you're going to vibe code a product, build vibe code the first version in 48 hours... and then throw the whole thing away and start over. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis sharing Josh Pigford's advice on vibe coding #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** coder extraordinaire uh pinkford had some good advice on vibe coding. I think it was just this morning or maybe yesterday. He said, build your first like if you're going to vibe code a product, build vibe code the first version in 48 hours with, you know, your tool of choice and then throw the whole thing away and start over. Because after that, you will have learned what the product is and does and the pitfalls. And just start from a clean slate once you understand better the **Ian Landsman:** layout of the whole thing. I **Aaron Francis:** was like, oh, that's kind of reasonable. And only possible with vibe coding to throw everything away. If **Ian Landsman:** there is a person on the opposite end of the bootstraper spectrum for me. I feel like it's Josh Pigford. It's Josh **Aaron Francis:** Pigford. Yeah. **Ian Landsman:** It's like, oh, you could come up with a product and think it through and then take your time, build it out, think about how you're going to do all this stuff. And like, or 20 years, you could just be like, yeah, let's do this in two days. And there we go. It's built. I'm shipping it. And it's done. You --- ### [AI Excels at Discrete Tasks](https://share.snipd.com/snip/4c858279-6e02-49ae-b7ac-20499cbb810a) 🎧 16:04 - 18:22 (02:18) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/e7a8d554-d9c1-4206-88b9-d493886fbedb" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - AI coding currently performs better on isolated, discrete tasks versus multi-file or full-stack jobs. - It struggles with cross-component coordination and consistency across front-end and back-end boundaries. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > I feel like it nails those things a lot better than when it's like going between like front end and back end and thinking about all that stuff. > β€” Ian Landsman Ian Landsman on AI coding limitations #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** with AI, I get way more done. But there's also way more that I want to do. The road expands before me. I'm not getting anywhere closer to the finish line. What is going on with that? **Ian Landsman:** Yeah, I have the same experience. They're like, oh, the thing that was going to be like a thing I don't really work on right now. And it's like, well, I did it with the AI. So now that's like a path that could be expanded upon in its own right. And it's like, how far down that path do you go? Yeah, it definitely does that. I think, **Aaron Francis:** it lower the bar for like, things are acceptable to work on? Like, is it that we've always wanted to do these things, but it's always been like, oh, that's going to be too much work and not enough value. But now the work value ratio has changed. **Ian Landsman:** I think it's more, it's like, there's an aspect to that maybe, but I think it's more like the stuff we were just talking about, where it's like you don't have the energy to do it you have the main line thing you know you have to get done but it's like well if i go over here i know i know there's more beyond that once you open that door like you're saying because once you open this door over here there's gonna be more beyond it so i don't have energy or time to like get over there but now it's like well i can open the door and see what's behind that door and it only takes five minutes to do that and i didn't have to like file create a bunch of crap and like all that stuff yeah **Aaron Francis:** i don't know i've also found myself consuming fewer packages oh definitely because i'm like a couple weeks ago yeah i don't i don't need to pull in your your solution like i'm just gonna have it right this one or two or three classes that does the thing and i'm done like i don't i don't need your thing that handles every edge case the death of packages i feel like so at **Ian Landsman:** least in like yeah like there's this one package i was gonna use for thing and i was like it does all this other stuff it doesn't even do the thing i want it to do the way i want to do it and then on top of it it does a bunch of other stuff and it's like oh i know i haven't done this yet but i i think i can just have the ai do the part that i need done and **Aaron Francis:** it'll just build a little stuff like yeah uh you know user settings or feature flags or all these little things where it's like i mean i could pull in a package that does it all better than i could ever do it or i could just have juni write me you know the one or two implementations that i need --- ### [AI Lowers Project Barriers](https://share.snipd.com/snip/04c9fbb9-84d9-41f7-b22a-566518c1eb01) 🎧 16:34 - 17:37 (01:02) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/8249a013-85e9-4b3e-914d-8e54188f97d0" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - AI lowers the effort barrier, enabling developers to undertake more projects they previously avoided due to high workload. - Opening one development path with AI often reveals many subsequent paths worth exploring. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > The road expands before me. I'm not getting anywhere closer to the finish line. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis reflecting on how AI expands project workload #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** it lower the bar for like, what are acceptable to work on? Like, is it that we've always wanted to do these things, but it's always been like, oh, that's going to be too much work and not enough value. But now the work value ratio has changed. **Ian Landsman:** I think it's more, it's like, there's an aspect to that maybe, but I think it's more like the stuff we were just talking about, where it's like you don't have the energy to do it you have the main line thing you know you have to get done but it's like well if i go over here i know i know there's more beyond that once you open that door like you're saying because once you open this door over here there's gonna be more beyond it so i don't have energy or time to like get over there but now it's like well i can open the door and see what's behind that door and it only takes five minutes to do that and i didn't have to like file create a bunch of crap and like all that stuff yeah **Aaron Francis:** i don't know i've also found myself consuming fewer packages oh definitely because i'm like a couple weeks ago yeah i don't i don't need to pull in your your solution like i'm just gonna have it right this one or two or three classes that does the thing --- ### [Need for Practical AI Newsletter](https://share.snipd.com/snip/749df793-fb61-49fa-afcb-fb59110cde75) 🎧 22:54 - 26:27 (03:32) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/a638d0f7-a6c4-4268-a7ca-212b3e0c3f2f" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Developers urgently need an AI-focused newsletter from an active, working developer. - Such a newsletter should provide practical AI usage strategies instead of hype. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > I need an AI newsletter, but from the perspective of an actual working developer, not from the perspective of I'm an AI bro. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis on the demand for practical AI content #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** the public. I need an AI newsletter, but from **Ian Landsman:** the **Aaron Francis:** perspective of an actual working developer, not from the perspective of I'm an AI, I'm an AI bro. This you won't believe it's going to blow your mind. I need somebody who is coding every day and using AI in a very high level way. I need somebody like that to write a newsletter because, Ian, I cannot keep up. I can't keep up. idea. **Ian Landsman:** You know who should do this? Yes. Aaron Francis. **Aaron Francis:** No. Wrong answer. Wrong answer. Aaron YouTube. Aaron Francis, YouTube. can't keep up. You just got to dedicate some time. No, what time? I don't have time. **Ian Landsman:** Here's the thing. Here's the thing. You know I don't like to send you off on adventures. I like to reel you in from adventures, right? **Aaron Francis:** You are very much like Bilbo. Is it Bilbo that doesn't like to go on adventures? Who can **Ian Landsman:** say? In the beginning, he doesn't want to go **Aaron Francis:** in the beginning you're like the in the beginning bilbo you want me to just stay at home in my hobbit **Ian Landsman:** hole yes but you have there is this like everybody's interested in ai devs don't know what to do with ai devs are confused where to put it in their workflow all the stuff you're saying right like what's the best way to do it i I somebody **Aaron Francis:** to tell me what to do. Exactly. And **Ian Landsman:** so last time you had that, you didn't know about databases, Aaron. And you were like, you know what? I'm going to learn about databases. And then I'm going to teach the other developers about databases so that they can be good at databases, just like I am. And I think AI is same exact thing. And it's the hot area. The developers need to know about AI. They need videos about AI. They need newsletters about AI they need strategies about how to use it effectively they need what is going on under the hood so they can use it better all that stuff people want to pay for that people want to know it it's way hotter than databases way **Aaron Francis:** hotter's way hotter. Like distribution, **Ian Landsman:** consumer demand, like all that stuff that's out there. I mean, you can just all the videos, right? Like how do you build your database out with AI? How do you scaffold this? How do you make packages? How do you bring packages in front of other languages? Well, that's an amazing video. All this stuff. I think you need to get rid of everything else. **Aaron Francis:** What? **Ian Landsman:** screen. No, I mean, I'm not saying that. I'm saying like any other side things in your brain, right? No side things. There's just launch screencasting, which you guys are done with. We're very close, right? **Aaron Francis:** It's out If you're listening, it's out now. Please go to screencasting.com. There **Ian Landsman:** you go. It's out now. I don't know if you have another database thing coming up. I know you were thinking about doing another database thing. I don't know if that's in process yet. But start to chip away at the ai ai aaron francis man ai aaron francis i **Aaron Francis:** believe and you'll have correct me if i'm wrong it was gandhi that said be the content you wish to see in the world is that right i think that's correct yeah i think that's right but here's the thing we've ah we've got to sell the stuff that we have i can't oh that's true i can't do a wholesale pivot to ai guy oh **Ian Landsman:** i don't think you are see i don't think are you pivoting i don't think it's a pivot at all i think it's like **Aaron Francis:** you just get rid of everything no **Ian Landsman:** no no i'm not saying get sell the things you have i think that that's great it's we're keeping going this is all the content train i'm just saying the next content thing instead of being a MySQL course or whatever, maybe that's an AI for devs course. Maybe in the lead up to that, we start an AI newsletter. We do some AI videos on YouTube and see how they perform. We start to chip away at it. Even if you're doing the next database course, you spend a little time chipping away at the AI Aaron Francis idea. --- ### [Skepticism Towards AI Hype](https://share.snipd.com/snip/543ed737-4e3f-46ae-aa8a-6f05e897c74e) 🎧 28:50 - 29:59 (01:09) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/97d78ce9-a28b-4ee0-a550-28aa9da76b98" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Aaron is allergic to AI hype and prefers realistic, reasoned perspectives. - This makes him hesitant to produce frequent hyped AI content despite its popularity. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > I care too much. I am allergic to the hype and I feel like this wave is particularly hype heavy right now. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis expressing discomfort with AI hype culture #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** much. I think it is i am allergic to the hype i and i feel like i feel like this this wave or this stage is particularly hype heavy right and so i feel uncomfortable i don't think i could go on youtube every week and be like oh my gosh the new model blew my mind. It's going to change everything. And then turn around and do it again the next week. And so I feel like I, and in that way, databases suit me quite well. Because, you know, we've got 30 years of basically the same thing. And I can come in and be like, well, here's how you do these things. It's like, the hype is not required. So that's the one part that scares me is like getting on that treadmill of fabricated hype which i'm just not gonna do yeah so am i gonna come in as the reasonablist and have any land any market share whatsoever i **Ian Landsman:** don't know see i think there's two things there one is like um databases and similar like there are just known correct answers right like this is how you do something there's been 30 years of --- ### [AI as Advanced Autocomplete](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f7a5d744-780a-4024-80c5-16382f589fb9) 🎧 30:26 - 31:27 (01:00) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/91944eac-7ea6-49f5-ad2a-19493f5b7e08" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - AI is currently not true intelligence but high-utility autocomplete and pattern recognition. - Comparing AI to manual matrix multiplication illustrates this distinction. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > Imagine if you sit down with a stack of matrices on paper and you spend the next year multiplying matrices by hand and you come out with an answer. Is that intelligence? That's not intelligence. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis explaining why AI isn’t true intelligence yet #### πŸ“š Transcript **Ian Landsman:** something right it's like you know and yes there are like illegal uses there's like some money laundering stuff. There's like the occasional digital transaction that like is easier. Great. Fine. It's **Aaron Francis:** mostly money laundering. So **Ian Landsman:** it's like, OK, like it's a bunch of inventing stuff. I think we are reasonable people and they're like, oh, we find the AI useful. Like and we're pretty pragmatic about it. Right. Like you're not. **Aaron Francis:** our credit, we both skipped the crypto NFT phase pretty hard. I **Ian Landsman:** was in the nfts a little bit mostly **Aaron Francis:** knowing that they were crappy have nft yeah **Ian Landsman:** but it was like for fun because i knew it was hysterical and like uh it was sort of like okay we'll have to strike the record on that one yeah but i was i was never like this is real everybody should like be invested this is the future like whatever anyway so i don't know i feel like you could do it as a reasonable list i think look at we just we started the show with like claude four is really good that you could say that that's like we're just coming out here and we're hyping and like it's the new model and blah blah but we just did it we just did it so no it's pretty good that --- ### [Web Components Gain Traction](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d5f455e6-7401-42c7-b88e-683f6b9a7421) 🎧 41:32 - 44:38 (03:06) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/220c3222-6871-4eec-b037-9bb5d53ea1da" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Tailwind's move to web components offers framework-agnostic UI components with less JavaScript. - This approach benefits server-rendered apps and traditional frameworks unlike React-heavy solutions. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > You can build custom dropdowns, dialogues, popovers, tabs and more without writing any JS at all. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis discussing Tailwind’s vanilla web components #### πŸ“š Transcript **Ian Landsman:** years whatever tailwind ui's been around six years i don't know how long i'm like i don't want to react i don't want to use view just give me the raw juice so i am happy he's doing it i think it's great i think it's smart i think it makes tailwind ui so much better i think it does so i like it so **Aaron Francis:** this is apparently web components. Is that what we think it is? So it's web components, which have historically been derided as being useless. But I'm happy to see somebody finally picking up the baton on these. And I think this could be a way he gets an edge on ShadCN. Because Shad is very heavy because you got to bring in all of React and basically give your front end over. And so if they can pull this off, this is very good for not only Rails, but Django, Phoenix, like traditional just HTML, you know, server rendered pages. This could be great. **Ian Landsman:** think it's great and web components are actually how flux ui works also under the hood really um under the hood yep and it seems so logical like kaleb talked about a little bit using you know building out the components i'm like i don't know why people weren't doing this to be but um it seems like a logical way to do it and uh yeah i think it's great i think um i'm a guy so i'm a component maximalist so it's like you like caleb if you're out there don't be scared it's gonna be fine i think it's gonna be good for flux um because you have you just always need more components that any component library can give you like that just always is what happens, I feel like. And the components are an area where I, very unlike packages on the server side, the AI cannot just whip you up one of these components. Like it just, I don't believe that to be true. Maybe it will someday, but there's so many edge cases in making these components. So edge cases. **Aaron Francis:** I **Ian Landsman:** don't think that they're really there on that ability yet. and there's also like a consistency needed a little bit that i think the ai is not too good at either uh we're really doing things the same way and everything so um so yeah i'm excited because like we're building out like the help spot admin with flux and but like there's always little things that like flux doesn't have the exact thing we need or whatever or like even more so in like the website i'm building it's like there's some parts that are flux and uh there's not a lot of components in general but like it's one part's flux but then there's like more of like a marketing page like thing i needed like where like tailwind ui would be better but like yeah then you have to write all the javascript like i don't want to write all the JavaScript. I'm definitely not using React. So just let me like grab some marketing components from Tailwind UI and slap them in there and write all the JavaScript. So I think it's good stuff. It's crazy I didn't do it earlier, but yeah, I'm glad they're doing it now. **Aaron Francis:** This just between Adam, Chad, Cien, and Caleb and the proliferation of Rails kits that have popped up in the past six --- ### [Improve Life in 15 Minutes](https://share.snipd.com/snip/86ddd68a-0f8b-4c38-a741-86678b8df257) 🎧 57:13 - 59:33 (02:19) <iframe src="https://share.snipd.com/embed/obsidian-player/snip/d3c1c220-d6a8-4647-8c7d-f7635754ec66" width="100%" height="100" style="border: none; border-radius: 12px;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-forms allow-popups allow-clipboard-write" ></iframe> - Spend 15 minutes improving just one small aspect around you to overcome paralysis. - Small incremental fixes build momentum and reduce overwhelm in life and work. #### πŸ’¬ Quote > Just spend 15 minutes to make one thing better... It's like, yeah, there is something you can do right now to improve your life. > β€” Aaron Francis Aaron Francis sharing his new productivity practice #### πŸ“š Transcript **Aaron Francis:** a similar so i i've tried to institute a new practice to counteract that which is um just make just spend 15 minutes to make one thing better and so the way that that the way that that manifests itself is so like this weekend, we got this, you know, kids want to play in the little the little plastic pool. So we got to get the hose to fill up the pool and, you know, all the stuff. Hoses, hoses are a nightmare. They get all tangled. They're never where you want them to be. You can't get them to where you want them to be. And then you get wet and you're mad. So I got this little hose box with a wind up thing. take you know that took whatever 30 minutes to go to home depot get a little box put it in the wind-up thing right but i feel way better about the whole situation now yeah so instead of just being like oh man i gotta i gotta get a survey done so i can fundamentally redo my backyard and build a fence and dig a pool. It's like, no, no, no. Just look around. Use your eyes. Is there anything that you can just make better in the next 15 minutes? Right. It's like, yeah, there is. And so like, it's that it's, you know, get through my emails. Just you don't have to come up with a grand unifying theory of how to respond to emails. Just spend 15 minutes answering emails. Just clean out, clean out your nightstand. You're frustrated that there were books everywhere on your nightstand and like old trash. Like just clean out. You don't have to clean the whole house. You don't have to reorganize the whole room. You can just do things for 15 minutes only. So that's what I'm trying to embody is just make one, just look around. Is there anything you can do right now to make your life better? And it's been helpful. It's helped me overcome this paralysis of you must do everything. **Ian Landsman:** I think it's in that same space as the start of the conversation, which is like the AI, like opening up a path for you to like get things done by being that first step you know and it's like this is that same thing it's like well if you could just make a bite-sized first step a it's just in and of itself you're gonna feel good and be happy that this thing is now better and then maybe it becomes like the then take another bite in that same direction and it gets better still but even if you don't do that you accomplish something it's done now you can --- Created with [Snipd](https://www.snipd.com) | Highlight & Take Notes from Podcasts