— Tags # Hiring Developer Advocates (Part 2) w/ Wesley Faulkner, Community Pulse and Matty Stratton, Pulumi  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Hiring Developer Advocates (Part 2) w/ Wesley Faulkner, Community Pulse and Matty Stratton, Pulumi]] - Show:: [[Developer Advocast]] - Owner / Host:: [[Jeremy Hess]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/b19c29aa-a563-4211-b65b-1fd680e49e75) - Episode publish date:: 2022-06-09 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > In this second part of our Hiring DevRels series, we get Matty and Wesley to talk about candidates that are mult-disciplinary vs a team of focused DevRels.<br/>> <br/>> We also get into how important it is to be responsive as well as the importance of naming the job title.<br/>> <br/>> Thank you all for joining us for this first season and we will see you in September for Season 2! </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://developeradvocast.podbean.com/e/hiring-developer-advocates-part-2-w-wesley-faulkner-community-pulse-and-matty-stratton-pulumi/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [16:05] Developer Advocate Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (15:59 - 17:19)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/107b44c2-6708-42ce-a38e-9e73be115698) <audio controls> <source src="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/5fay6k/hiring_devrels_part_298suz.mp3#t=15:59,17:19"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Evangelism is a twoway street, and it is full duplex. 2. It is both external and internal to the community. 3. There are reasons why the term "evangelist" has come to be less popular, but it is still an important role. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>There's reasons I alluded to the evangelist there's I'll tell you there's, you know, we've kind of the word evangelist as our role has come out of favor and for good reason for two good reasons one is, it's a very colonizer term it's a very overloaded term, but even if besides that which is enough that's enough, but to me evangelism is one way. And it is full duplex it's bi directional. Right. So I always say that as an advocate I advocate to, and for the community. Right. But as far as again from the title the external title like what you list. I'll tell you something you go look at the Pulumi careers paid like we actually don't have any open roles on DevRel right now but like, half of those were made up titles. And you know what your title would be if you worked here like you would be a developer advocate that's what we call ourselves but we were content engineer we were whatever so it's okay in my mind it's whatever helps you communicate what it is you do. I also think evangelists doesn't feel like it's telling you the whole story is only telling you the good story, which is just part part part of the truth and part of the information that someone needs to actually make a really good decision. Continue I feel like this is a smart thread. Well it's more of like if I'm listening I'm intrigued.</blockquote> </details> --- # Youth in WordPress  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Youth in WordPress]] - Show:: [[Press the Issue]] - Owner / Host:: [[MasterWP]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/a19307a7-727f-4321-a9fe-0e7eec57aac9) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-31 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Despite the success of Kids Camps in past years, WordPress doesn't do much to intentionally introduce young people to WordPress. In this episode, Allie and Topher discuss both the challenges and possibilities surrounding bringing younger generations into the WordPress community. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://masterwp.com/presstheissue/youth-in-wordpress/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [10:08] The WordPress Community Needs to Change to Attract Young People Tags: #education, #youth, #kidscamp, #WordPress [🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (09:56 - 12:05)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b984ab90-d705-4f46-b470-ff77b8e9268e) <audio controls> <source src="https://episodes.castos.com/628bc9b308dc03-65988585/358bb35c-3e1b-4ad3-9484-2333ae115dad-Youth-in-WordPress.mp3#t=09:56,12:05"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. The community needs to change in order to attract younger people. 2. This can be done by changing the way that the church operates, specifically by offering more opportunities for young people to get involved. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And I feel like to a degree that can create an unwelcoming environment for a young person who's like, well, why do we have to do things that way? Why can't we do things a different way? And if the answer is- It's an all-teams, rebellion church. Yeah, it's exactly. And I feel like it says, you know, well, we're not interested in revolutionizing anything. We're going to do things the way that they are because that's the way they've always been done. And to a younger person who is learning and bringing new ideas to the table, that's not an attractive environment to be in. And so I wonder, you know, how much does the community need to change for young people to find this community more attractive? Because I think that so many younger people that I like encounter on Twitter who are in the software world, they find WordPress boring because it's not new and sexy. And it's kind of a thing of like, okay, well, does it need to be new and sexy? Or do we have a marketing issue? Like, what's the problem here?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Yeah, it's like getting into a school bus design. It's been done. There's not a whole lot more there. Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>But, you know, I think it's interesting and, you know, for a long time we had- or maybe not for a very long time, but for a period of time we had kids camps, right? Kids were camps. And I always thought that that was such an interesting idea that we had kids camps, but we didn't have like a college pipeline camp. We didn't have a camp that was for that in between, which to me seemed- Like a career fair. Exactly, exactly. Like, that would seem like so much more like low-hanging fruit, right? Of these young people who are interested in websites and interested in building things, maybe interested in marketing or interested in graphic design or whatever, and that we don't speak to them, you know? Right. Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>That's a really good point. I think that's the fact that something I started with earlier is- it got big and exciting to me.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [10:12] The WordPress Community Needs to Change to Attract Young People Tags: #education, #youth, #kidscamp, #WordPress [🎧 Play snip - 40sec️ (11:19 - 11:59)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b53fad72-992b-45a5-9776-d474d6aff365) <audio controls> <source src="https://episodes.castos.com/628bc9b308dc03-65988585/358bb35c-3e1b-4ad3-9484-2333ae115dad-Youth-in-WordPress.mp3#t=11:19,11:59"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. The podcast hosts think that having kids camps would be a great idea because it would allow young people to explore their interests in a fun and safe environment. 2. They think that a camp specifically for inbetweeners would be a great idea, as it would give these young people the opportunity to explore their interests in a more comprehensive way. #### 🔒 Private note WordPress needs to be more inclusive to attract new members, especially young members. The community needs to change to make WordPress more appealing to young people. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>For a period of time we had kids camps, right? Kids were camps. And I always thought that that was such an interesting idea that we had kids camps, but we didn't have like a college pipeline camp. We didn't have a camp that was for that in between, which to me seemed- Like a career fair. Exactly, exactly. Like, that would seem like so much more like low-hanging fruit, right? Of these young people who are interested in websites and interested in building things, maybe interested in marketing or interested in graphic design or whatever, and that we don't speak to them, you know? Right. Yeah.</blockquote> </details> --- # php[podcast] Episode 23.2.1  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Php[podcast] Episode 23.2.1]] - Show:: [[php[podcast] episodes from php[architect]]] - Owner / Host:: [[php[podcast] episodes from php[architect]]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/555cbb3a-fb13-4262-a8b5-dc2424aef779) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-15 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Join the Discord at https://phpa.me/discord <br/>> <br/>> Get your early bird php[tek] tickets before the price goes up at https://tek.phparch.com <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Subscribe to the Magazine Today <br/>> https://phpa.me/signup<br/>> <br/>> Join us at php[tek] 2023 <br/>> <br/>> php[tek] 2023 <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Twitter <br/>> @phparch <br/>> @phptek <br/>> @johncongdon <br/>> @shocm<br/>> <br/>> Mastodon <br/>> phparch.social@editor <br/>> phparch.social@tek <br/>> phparch.social@john <br/>> phparch.social@eric<br/>> <br/>> The post php[podcast] Episode 23.2.1 appeared first on php[architect] . </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://www.phparch.com/podcast/phppodcast-episode-23-2-1/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [32:43] PHP Podcast: Episode 129 - How to Stay Up to Date [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (32:42 - 33:52)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/1022003c-b6d6-480d-89fd-b8cba9aeb280) <audio controls> <source src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/phpa_media/podcast/29j9g_23_enhanced_mastered-final.mp3#t=32:42,33:52"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Educators try to stay up to date with new technology. 2. Educators are looking forward to the round table this week. 3. There will be a balance of students and instructors at the round table. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>So how do how do today's educators try to stay up to date or is it just known that education stays behind a little bit and then as things keep moving, they catch up where we're at today but we've already moved on to the next thing.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Right. And we will have, we'll have both educators instructors and students at the round table this week. So, it's going to be a lot of fun. If you're, if you're a PHP architect reader, Ken Marks is going to be one of the people at the round table who did a, has done a couple of articles for us did a nice long series on the Raspberry Pi in a project that he had worked on for the Raspberry Pi. A really fun guy to talk to. We've John and I have spoken to him. I don't know if I did a round table or if I did a community corner interview with him. Or had I stopped doing them by the time we had met him, but either way, great guy. I'm looking forward to him being there and a few other we should have a nice, nice kind of balance of students and instructors. So looking forward to it to tune in. I'll see you round table and that was also streamed to the PHP architect YouTube channel as well if you just want to be there but subscribe to both it helps.</blockquote> </details> --- # My new Favorite RSS/Read Later App (Reader by Readwise)  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[My new Favorite RSS/Read Later App (Reader by Readwise)]] - Show:: [[How I Built It]] - Owner / Host:: [[Joe Casabona]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/cfbd0c14-e148-4319-b018-8434d230eb93) - Episode publish date:: 2023-03-10 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > RSS has been such an integral part of my life basically since Google Reader. And since Google Reader shut down, I have been on a bit of a quest to find a good replacement. I think Reader by Readwise is that Replacement.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> This clip is brought to you TextExpander </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://howibuilt.it/podcast/my-new-favorite-rss-read-later-app-reader-by-readwise/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [06:56] Untitled [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (05:36 - 06:56)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/7946da1d-3399-446d-a25f-65606a371a1e) <audio controls> <source src="https://episodes.castos.com/5f436edb798df2-94459192/9be4fe59-d19d-414c-9430-2dfd279f7944-205-reader-readwise.mp3#t=05:36,06:56"> </audio> --- # The Cambridge Handbook of Computing Education Research with Joe Nash  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[The Cambridge Handbook of Computing Education Research With Joe Nash]] - Show:: [[DevRel Book Club]] - Owner / Host:: [[DeveloperRelations.com]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/b189e6fe-1039-448d-b7aa-ec0b840ee2ec) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-08 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Developer education is an increasingly important area of developer relations. The good news is that developer education can draw on a tonne of academic research that shows what works.<br/>> <br/>> In this episode, Twilio Developer Educator Joe Nash shares the weighty Cambridge Handbook of Computing Education Research and points to how formal pedagogical methods can improve how we teach technologies to developers.<br/>> <br/>> See the video on YouTube .<br/>> <br/>> https://youtu.be/tFT4pBmlcow<br/>> Transcript <br/>> Transcript coming soon! </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://developerrelations.com/devrel-book-club/the-cambridge-handbook-of-computing-education-research-with-joe-nash?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-cambridge-handbook-of-computing-education-research-with-joe-nash) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [26:05] How to design dev role programs that are effective and engaging Tags: #DevEd [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (26:08 - 27:13)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/64c0f24c-f8d1-4285-9da6-a166ae9e1789) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5880/the-cambridge-handbook-of-computing-education-research-with-joe-nash.mp3#t=26:08,27:13"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. People come into the dev role field from an education background, and they bring new stuff with them. 2. We should stop just doing 'wheel reinventing' and accept that we are educators, and there is best practice for educators. 3. The dev role should focus on engaging with the body of science around computer science education, rather than reinventing the wheel. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>People come into the dev role field from an education background and kind of bring new stuff with them and help widen our horizons. But I do think, and I gave a dev role, can talk about this in 2019, actually, that we really should stop just doing that wheel reinventing and just like accept that we're educators and there is best practice for educators and actually we should be engaging with that before we start. My dev role con 2019 talk, for example, was about all was a researcher Ada Kim who had looked at all of like the online coding tutorial platforms like Treehouse and Code Academy and Microsoft Learn and had basically rated them on their like pedagogy approach and the validity of that and found a lot of them very wanting. And that doesn't need to be that way because there's a lot of body of science about this computer science education itself is, you know, especially for younger folks, is still in early stages.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [27:51] How to use Raspberry Pi to teach coding concepts Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (27:13 - 29:11)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e563524e-c1a0-41a0-be69-513798481aaf) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5880/the-cambridge-handbook-of-computing-education-research-with-joe-nash.mp3#t=27:13,29:11"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. It is important to draw on different teaching methods when teaching coding concepts to students, as there is no one perfect way to do it. 2. Resources like Raspberry Pi pedagogy quick reads can be helpful in finding teaching methods that are applicable to students. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>It's rating rapidly. There's a lot of, you know, lots of countries have bought in new curriculums and it's been more or less successful for various reasons. And so it's not a perfected science by any means, but there's still a lot of stuff there that, you know, we should definitely be drawing on. So in terms of drawing on that, I think the easiest way to do it is, you know, without understanding any of the foundations about getting really deep into learning sciences, have a look at some of the pedagogy approach, I don't know if that's the correct word, pedagogy that teachers are using in classrooms, bearing your mind again that these are the kids and so they will need adapting for your work. But just think about like, you know, why are these the techniques are using and do they apply to me. So again, a really great resource for this is Raspberry Pi is pedagogy quick reads. And one in particular that I think is just university applicable to like everyone teaching coding concepts is the semantic wave, which is one of the pedagogies of like, you're introducing a new word, a new term, a new concept. What is the process that people go through the semantic wave between like understanding the meaning and the semantics of that word and incorporating it into their knowledge. And that is like, you know, we all introduce new concepts for technology, we're doing like, you know, a new, whether we're advocating for a library in a program language is probably a concept or you know, your company's got a completely novel API or something like that. There will be new concepts. And so the semantic wave is universally applicable and is a technique that you can use to structure your content immediately, you just pick up that sheet and you go. And there's loads of like things like that. Well, you know, like, they're not, you know, some of them are addressing this or passing this problems as addressing this book and you could probably implement passing problems from the recommendations in this book. But just as a, you know, blunt instrument to get started, the Raspberry Pi pedagogy quick reads, you will find something useful in there for sure.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Thank you.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [27:41] How to use Raspberry Pi to teach coding concepts [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (27:13 - 29:11)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/304b690e-00f3-41d8-b400-d25fdc9fa55b) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5880/the-cambridge-handbook-of-computing-education-research-with-joe-nash.mp3#t=27:13,29:11"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. It is important to draw on different teaching methods when teaching coding concepts to students, as there is no one perfect way to do it. 2. Resources like Raspberry Pi pedagogy quick reads can be helpful in finding teaching methods that are applicable to students. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>It's rating rapidly. There's a lot of, you know, lots of countries have bought in new curriculums and it's been more or less successful for various reasons. And so it's not a perfected science by any means, but there's still a lot of stuff there that, you know, we should definitely be drawing on. So in terms of drawing on that, I think the easiest way to do it is, you know, without understanding any of the foundations about getting really deep into learning sciences, have a look at some of the pedagogy approach, I don't know if that's the correct word, pedagogy that teachers are using in classrooms, bearing your mind again that these are the kids and so they will need adapting for your work. But just think about like, you know, why are these the techniques are using and do they apply to me. So again, a really great resource for this is Raspberry Pi is pedagogy quick reads. And one in particular that I think is just university applicable to like everyone teaching coding concepts is the semantic wave, which is one of the pedagogies of like, you're introducing a new word, a new term, a new concept. What is the process that people go through the semantic wave between like understanding the meaning and the semantics of that word and incorporating it into their knowledge. And that is like, you know, we all introduce new concepts for technology, we're doing like, you know, a new, whether we're advocating for a library in a program language is probably a concept or you know, your company's got a completely novel API or something like that. There will be new concepts. And so the semantic wave is universally applicable and is a technique that you can use to structure your content immediately, you just pick up that sheet and you go. And there's loads of like things like that. Well, you know, like, they're not, you know, some of them are addressing this or passing this problems as addressing this book and you could probably implement passing problems from the recommendations in this book. But just as a, you know, blunt instrument to get started, the Raspberry Pi pedagogy quick reads, you will find something useful in there for sure.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Thank you.</blockquote> </details> --- # Episode 8: Google Season of Docs  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Episode 8: Google Season of Docs]] - Show:: [[Let's Talk Docs]] - Owner / Host:: [[SustainOSS]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/e1b14fd0-0837-42b5-8f50-331d04ddd831) - Episode publish date:: 2022-04-25 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Sponsored by Document Write · EthicalAds · Sourcegraph <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Panelists <br/>> <br/>> Portia Burton | Eric Holscher<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Guest <br/>> <br/>> Romina Vicente · Ivana Isadora Devcic · Erin McKean<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Show Notes <br/>> <br/>> Hello and welcome to Let’s Talk Docs, a show where we explore the intersection of technical docs, open source, and community. Today, we’re going to talk about Google Season of Docs, everything that’s involved in it, and how you can apply to participate in this fascinating program. Not only do we have the Google Season of Docs team with us, but we also have a contributor. We have Romina Vicente, who is a Noogler, since she just recently joined the team, and she’ll be taking care of the program management with the Season of Docs team with Erin who continues to serve as an advisor to the program. We also have Ivana Devcic, who is a Technical Writer, Editor, and open source advocate with a background in linguistics and translation. And finally, we have Erin McKean, who is the Developer Relations Program Manager at Google Open Source Programs Office, Founder of Wordnik, and an author. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more and keep writing and shipping those Docs! <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:02:58] We start with Erin telling us the Google Season of Docs origin story and the history around it.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:05:02] Erin expands on what the obvious need is for documentation.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:08:03] We find out how Erin chooses organizations to participate in Season of Docs.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:09:40] Erin tells us what their outreach looks like.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:11:40] Romina explains what the success picture looks like for documentation and some top things that organizations learned about working with technical writers.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:16:52] Ivana details her experience as to the problems that documentation is solving for these open source organizations.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:20:37] Find out how Ivana learned about the Google Season of Docs and what he biggest takeaway was from her experience.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:24:42] What does analytics 101 look like for a technical writer? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:30:27] Ivana tells us from her perspective what the process was like when she decided she wanted to participate in a Google Season of Docs.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:33:16] Romina and Erin talk about dates or procedures if you want to apply for the Google Season of Docs program, as well some changes that were made..<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:37:25] We end with Erin giving a shout-out to Sarah Maddox and Andrew Chen because without them this program would not exist.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Quotes <br/>> <br/>> [00:06:51] “Both projects and developers call out that documentation is in need but saying that you need something and actually solving the problem there’s sometimes a big gap between those two things.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:07:32] “One of the metrics that we look at is that did the orgs enjoy participating in Season of Docs because maintainers don’t have a lot of spare time.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:09:10] We’re looking for diversity across domains, communities, typologies of documentation, so, user guides, API documentation tutorials, and we’re also looking for diversity across audiences.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:13:48] “Open Collective was hugely, hugely supportive to projects that really were great at code and bad at bookkeeping.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:17:28] “In terms of problems we’re trying to solve, they are usually related to something that may sound simple or obvious but often a big problem such as content gaps on undocumented features, undocumented behavior, undocumented user journeys or paths.” <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:18:37] “I think the curse of knowledge is an underappreciated curse.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:20:20] “Checklists are my favorite flavor of lists!”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:26:31] “A lot of analytics are just proxies for behaviors.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> [00:28:15] “A million visitors to your documentation and no users is not a success story.”<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Links <br/>> <br/>> SustainOSS <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> SustainOSS Twitter <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> SustainOSS Discourse <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Portia Burton Twitter <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Eric Holscher Twitter <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Romina Vicente LinkedIn <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Ivana Isadora Devcic Twitter <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Ivana Isadora Devcic LinkedIn <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Erin McKean Twitter <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Erin McKean Website <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Totally Weird and Wonderful Words by Erin McKean <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> The Secret Lives of Dresses by Erin McKean <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> The Hundred Dresses: The Most Iconic Styles of Our Time by Erin McKean <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Wordnik <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> How to run an open source doc sprint by Sarah Maddox <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Documentation maturity audit <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Interested in participating in the 2022 Season of Docs? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Timeline for Season of Docs 2022 <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Season of Docs <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Google Open Source Blog <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Credits <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Executive Produced by Justin Dorfman <br/>> Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound <br/>> Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound <br/>> Cover art by Eriol Fox <br/>> Special Guests: Erin McKean, Ivana Isadora Devcic, and Romina Vicente.<br/>> Sponsored By:<br/>> Sourcegraph : Create living documentation that interacts directly with your code. DocumentWrite : Sometimes the tech doesn't speak for itself, and that's why you need stellar documentation. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://ltd-podcast.sustainoss.org/8) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [06:23] Is There a Need for Documentation? [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (05:03 - 06:23)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/fed2dfe3-20e8-4a00-ab72-13aa511ad382) <audio controls> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/28DGC9/aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/98ecf3aa-9157-4278-a770-0bae0b9b7d99/52c0c407-21b3-40c6-9ccb-3ea2c36a2c2a.mp3#t=05:03,06:23"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary Documentation is a huge force multiplier. If you want to contribute to an open source project and it doesn't have great docs, then you have to find somebody. And oftentimes people who are marginalized have a much higher barrier to am my annoying than they actually are. Having a good documentation helps not just the kind of production of open source, but also the community of open source. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 4</b><br/><br/>Obvious need for documentation. Can you talk more about that obvious need?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Well, the hard thing about talking about obvious things is that they seem obvious to you.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Funny how that works. Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>So I think everybody who works in documentation understands that documentation is a huge force multiplier. And one of the things that ran in the math and math and math and another crew got talked about, I think at right, docs in particular is that documentation is also a way to build an inclusion. So if you want to contribute to an open source project and it doesn't have great docs, then you have to find somebody. You have to talk to a human. And if you're new to the community and you don't know any of the humans in the community, it can be hard to find an in where if there's good documentation and it tells you what you need to know, you could start contributing without having to be socially connected, without having to use social capital, without having to feel like, Oh, I'm annoying somebody if I ask this question. And oftentimes people who are marginalized have a much higher barrier to am my annoying, like they feel annoying more than they actually are. And so having a good documentation helps not just the kind of production of open source, but also the community of open source, if that makes sense.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Yeah, I</blockquote> </details> --- # Getting your first job in DevRel  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Getting Your First Job in DevRel]] - Show:: [[DevRel Roundtable]] - Owner / Host:: [[DeveloperRelations.com]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/387521cc-3366-4563-8ece-af38b862e354) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-21 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > In this DevRel roundtable recording on Valentine's Day, Rebecca Marshburn and Suze Shardlow are joined by Kelley Hilborn, Bekah Hawrot Weigel, and Phil Leggeter to look at how to fall in love with your developer relations career.<br/>> <br/>> There's a particular focus on what it takes to get a first job in DevRel, as well as later developing the career you really want.<br/>> <br/>> Thanks to Common Room for sponsoring this episode!<br/>> <br/>> Watch the video on YouTube .<br/>> <br/>> https://youtu.be/uVU6V1VqOB4<br/>> Transcript <br/>> Coming soon. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://developerrelations.com/podcast/getting-your-first-job-in-devrel?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=getting-your-first-job-in-devrel) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [42:43] Developer Relations in a Developer-First World [🎧 Play snip - 3min️ (40:24 - 43:34)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/a1ea2a5b-31c9-46dd-b5e6-1031cf8ea29a) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5935/getting-your-first-job-in-devrel.mp3#t=40:24,43:34"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Marketing should be dev rel relations or developer experience at smaller companies, as this is what is most effective at top of funnel awareness acquisition. 2. Sales should not be involved in dev rel relations, as they have a different mindset and are not interested in education. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Well, so at the minute, the role I'm in one of the reasons I guess a bit of a personal journey is that I am quite driven to achieve a certain level within an organization I'd like at some point to be on a C suite sort of thing. At Vonage, I was kind of at that, but it was a very kind of split org. Anyway, so I'm at C company now and I'm on the, I mean, there's not a board of directors because we're so small. So, but I'm, you know, one of the senior people on the team and effectively are in marketing. So developer experience within developer experience is marketing. I mean, dev rel team, the dev rel experience, what do you want to call it is marketing. And I think that works at smaller organizations who are entirely developer focused. So, you know, in this book, it talks about developer first or developer plus developer first being the end user is a developer. So, I think actually marketing being dev rel relations or developer experience at these smaller companies makes a lot of sense. So the real, I mean, the relationship is it is that function that that is what you're kind of kind of doing in the developer plus or in larger organizations where you've got multiple personas you're trying to reach the not always not always software engineers. Then, I mean, ultimately, you know, it's that age old conversation where will dev rel sit and I think again if the goals of what your dev rel team is doing is kind of top of the funnel awareness acquisition. Then the dev rel team should sit within marketing and work with marketing and work. I think the best way for it to work the best way I've seen it work is to be entirely working within that function. So goals aligned involved in a lot of the same conversations. I mean, sometimes if it's like demand gen paid advertising. Okay, don't involve the dev rel team and that although you probably do want them reviewing your adverts and things like that because you're trying to reach the people that they speak to all the time. The best way for for marketing dev all together is to if their goals are aligned to be the same function. Sales. I haven't I'll be completely honest, I haven't seen dev rel and sales work together very well at all anywhere. There's a completely different mindset that a lot of sales people have that does not resonate well with people that think about education as the primary focus. We've seen the emails. Someone signs up for a new platform. If it comes from a sales team is persistent there's 10 of them. The wording is different if it comes from people with more of a development. It's mindset. It's about education. It's about asking questions and saying what they're trying to do. You can get some really good sales people that do that as well, but the majority of it is, you know, that can we jump on a call. What's your use case, what volume are you talking about. I don't have a great answer to the sales alignment, although I believe sales is fundamentally important for certain types of businesses to succeed. So I wish I had an answer for the sales side, but I don't.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [42:12] Developer Relations in a Developer-First World Tags: #devrel, #wpcc [🎧 Play snip - 3min️ (40:24 - 43:34)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/3b3391e6-b934-461e-990a-7c0383ffe6b1) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5935/getting-your-first-job-in-devrel.mp3#t=40:24,43:34"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Marketing should be dev rel relations or developer experience at smaller companies, as this is what is most effective at top of funnel awareness acquisition. 2. Sales should not be involved in dev rel relations, as they have a different mindset and are not interested in education. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Well, so at the minute, the role I'm in one of the reasons I guess a bit of a personal journey is that I am quite driven to achieve a certain level within an organization I'd like at some point to be on a C suite sort of thing. At Vonage, I was kind of at that, but it was a very kind of split org. Anyway, so I'm at C company now and I'm on the, I mean, there's not a board of directors because we're so small. So, but I'm, you know, one of the senior people on the team and effectively are in marketing. So developer experience within developer experience is marketing. I mean, dev rel team, the dev rel experience, what do you want to call it is marketing. And I think that works at smaller organizations who are entirely developer focused. So, you know, in this book, it talks about developer first or developer plus developer first being the end user is a developer. So, I think actually marketing being dev rel relations or developer experience at these smaller companies makes a lot of sense. So the real, I mean, the relationship is it is that function that that is what you're kind of kind of doing in the developer plus or in larger organizations where you've got multiple personas you're trying to reach the not always not always software engineers. Then, I mean, ultimately, you know, it's that age old conversation where will dev rel sit and I think again if the goals of what your dev rel team is doing is kind of top of the funnel awareness acquisition. Then the dev rel team should sit within marketing and work with marketing and work. I think the best way for it to work the best way I've seen it work is to be entirely working within that function. So goals aligned involved in a lot of the same conversations. I mean, sometimes if it's like demand gen paid advertising. Okay, don't involve the dev rel team and that although you probably do want them reviewing your adverts and things like that because you're trying to reach the people that they speak to all the time. The best way for for marketing dev all together is to if their goals are aligned to be the same function. Sales. I haven't I'll be completely honest, I haven't seen dev rel and sales work together very well at all anywhere. There's a completely different mindset that a lot of sales people have that does not resonate well with people that think about education as the primary focus. We've seen the emails. Someone signs up for a new platform. If it comes from a sales team is persistent there's 10 of them. The wording is different if it comes from people with more of a development. It's mindset. It's about education. It's about asking questions and saying what they're trying to do. You can get some really good sales people that do that as well, but the majority of it is, you know, that can we jump on a call. What's your use case, what volume are you talking about. I don't have a great answer to the sales alignment, although I believe sales is fundamentally important for certain types of businesses to succeed. So I wish I had an answer for the sales side, but I don't.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [44:15] How to Succeed as a Dev Reluctant Salesperson Tags: #devrel, #sales [🎧 Play snip - 55sec️ (44:16 - 45:11)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/819616c0-dbc7-475d-a672-35c73c1d8e16) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5935/getting-your-first-job-in-devrel.mp3#t=44:16,45:11"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. DevRel should include sales, as it is an important intersection of the team. 2. Storytelling is key to creating connections with customers and employees, and companies like 3M do it well. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 4</b><br/><br/>And should Dev rel, the rally people also be looking for ways to collaborate and include sales, or is that something where it's like, it's just still not the right, like intersection. And because I think Phil's bringing up a good point right where it's like it hasn't we, we haven't traditionally seen it be done well and should it be something that people should be looking into doing well. And I see Becca nodding. So Becca, do you want to take it?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 5</b><br/><br/>I don't know that I don't have an answer for sure, but I will say that this has been a question that's been on my mind a lot lately. And it's a kind of a personal project that I am working on in terms of being able to tell the story of your company your community and yourself right. And I think that storytelling is key to creating connections and there's a company that does it really well the company 3M that most famous for post it notes.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [47:30] How to work with sales without alienating your developers Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 3min️ (46:45 - 50:04)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/669980f0-8c82-4a02-b2d5-afab9137a146) <audio controls> <source src="https://developerrelations.com/podcast-download/5935/getting-your-first-job-in-devrel.mp3#t=46:45,50:04"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Sales should not be selling to the developer relations group, as this will only anger them. 2. Sales should partner with the team, and send them information and leads to help them learn and adopt faster. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Well I'm glad I'm last I could talk about this for pretty much the whole duration of college like this is a conversation I have all the time. And it is and they're both the they're both right the storytelling is huge and so when when someone asks me what I do or what value I bring or anything depending on where they're at heavily dictates my answer. If it's the chief marketing officer as well. I'm seating the market for the next generation of X users right and so, and for sales like well I'm educating your next customer. So if I'm doing my job properly, your job is so much easier and they understand it because the time to close a deal is faster. You have you know honestly, and you wanted to go controversial we're going controversial because this is this is one of those conversations it can get you in well get me in trouble particularly in an in an OSS environment like working with sales will get you in so much trouble. But ideally you do want to work with sales I mean sales sales sales you don't want them selling at your meetups you don't want them adding sales slides to your presentation you don't want them getting into your business and crossing that line you have like a like a community contract that do not break this contract or you were out you cannot come to my meetups you cannot come to my events. But that's that's kind of an ownership thing you just heard me my events my meetups my stuff which you have to work with sales you have to work in marketing is part of the job. It's that simple and so your goals. I have a leadership philosophy. Slightly off track but leaders should very, very simply create and share a vision that the team grasp send adheres to and follows. And then creates goals that that the team understands and are very easily achievable so they understand where they sit within the environment and the in the organization and those goals ladder up whatever organization and you can be a marketing strategy and product whatever the case is your goals ladder up throughout the organization so that you don't have to have these conversations very often. When you make sure that everyone on your team understands those goals and where they sit in the organization and how their efforts benefit the entire company from the ground up to the top and everyone has that understanding. That doesn't mean that your internal education stops because again you have these conversations every day but you do have to work for sales if someone comes you know if you're if you're in a large organization not a smaller one you're going to end up at a coupon or an event or somewhere where your people or yourself you're doing booth duty you're going to handle you're going to hand over qualified leads to sales and so the understanding that I try to have with sales is that's not my job leads are not my job. It's a glorious byproduct of all the beauty we bring in the organization but it's not my role so I'm not going to be that's not going to be a goal that's not going to be a task that's not going to be a KPI but I will end up giving you leads and I will educate your future customers so you don't have to try so hard. So if you have customers that go to a meetup your sales process is easier so it's on you to send them my way. If you want people to learn and adopt faster. Send them the community in the dev roll around send them to our slack send them to our content. We have a lot of places we have a whole series on getting started you want to use your use our stuff. But don't sell to my group see ownership don't sell to the developer relations group because all you're going to do is piss them off and particularly in an open source environment. You're going to miss everybody up but you still have to partner in the question actually you know what are the specific activities you've talked about booth duty but you've.</blockquote> </details> --- # #65 – Bob Dunn on Building a WooCommerce Community  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[#65 – Bob Dunn on Building a WooCommerce Community]] - Show:: [[WP Tavern]] - Owner / Host:: [[WordPress Tavern]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/74099eae-f54c-4436-a415-50e3623040d1) - Episode publish date:: 2023-03-01 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > On the podcast today, we have Bob Dunn. If you’ve been using WordPress for any length of time, and you’ve been consuming content in the ecosystem, it’s highly likely that you’ve come across Bob before. He’s been using WordPress since 2006, WooCommerce since 2011, and has been podcasting since 2014. In another life before he discovered WordPress, Bob ran a marketing company, but now his endeavours are all about WordPress. We talk about how Bob found WordPress back in the day when he was creating websites with HTML and Flash. Bob branded himself as BobWP and has never looked back. Given the size of the WordPress community, Bob was able to discover his niche within the greater whole and concentrate on WooCommerce. His popular Do the Woo podcast was born, and he’s been working on it ever since. We talk about how Bob has managed to keep the momentum going, and what he thinks are unique about his podcast and community. We also talk about how growing a community such as this can be financed, as well as the ways Bob is trying to innovate in the near future to give value back to the WordPress project more generally. It’s an interesting conversation about how content creators can find a place in the WordPress ecosystem and what impact they can have. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://wptavern.com/podcast/65-bob-dunn-on-building-a-woocommerce-community) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [24:57] Untitled Tags: #wpcc [🎧 Play snip - 59sec️ (23:58 - 24:57)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/154f9b46-184d-4209-b9f7-4b2a5381be61) <audio controls> <source src="https://wptavern.com/podcast-download/142333/65-bob-dunn-on-building-a-woocommerce-community.mp3#t=23:58,24:57"> </audio> --- ### [24:53] Untitled Tags: #wpcc [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (24:59 - 26:42)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e5a47e0f-bbd9-4321-af71-60496557bd77) <audio controls> <source src="https://wptavern.com/podcast-download/142333/65-bob-dunn-on-building-a-woocommerce-community.mp3#t=24:59,26:42"> </audio> --- # February 2023 Word Around the Campfire - WordPress News Roundup  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[February 2023 Word Around the Campfire - WordPress News Roundup]] - Show:: [[Press This WordPress Community Podcast]] - Owner / Host:: [[WMR.FM]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/9477b926-798b-4d75-bb21-974fdb32a466) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-21 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > In this month’s Word Around the Campfire episode, Doc Pop is joined by Emily Schiola, Editor of Torque Magazine, and Mike Davey, Senior Editor of Delicious Brains. They have news from around the community including Plugin Madness, AI, the WP Community Collective, and more.<br/>> Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/press-this-wordpress-community-podcast/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1248-press-this-wordpress-comm-71064871/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [03:02] Plug-in Madness Contest [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (01:42 - 03:02)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/6840abf1-63ae-4bb5-ba34-2a324a8ea190) <audio controls> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/1554D/audio1.redcircle.com/episodes/fb083720-70cc-4a55-9229-f205b68c0a7f/stream.mp3#t=01:42,03:02"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary Voting will go live on plug-in madness.com and with date February 27th. You can vote every week so that you can make sure your favorites make it through. I would probably have to say WP migrate light as the free version of advanced custom fields. The free version of WP offload SES and of course the free versions ofWP offload media. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>You just love plugins, come vote every week so that you can make sure your favorites make it through.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Trash talking is always fun on Twitter and that is a reminder for me to nominate contextly and post-duplicator, which I think there's a few of them now. I need to make sure that some of my favorite plugins at least get nominated once. But after nominations, like you said, voting will go live on plug-in madness.com and with date.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>February 27th.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And that runs for five weeks?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>Yeah, like five weeks, let me announce the winner on the sixth week. So just every Monday, the playing field will be cut in half. So just make sure you come back and continue to support your faves. Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And Mike, do you have any plugins that you would nominate as your favorite free WordPress plugin that you hope makes it into plug-in madness.com this year?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Well when it comes to free plugins, I would probably have to say WP migrate light. The free version of advanced custom fields, the free version of WP offload SES and of course the free version of WP offload media.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Good suggestions. I like that. I think one of my favorite things about this contest is it's a good way to kind of discover plug-ins that I might not have heard of and it's definitely introduced me to plug-ins in the past before. So thanks for those suggestions, Mike. In other news, the WP community</blockquote> </details> --- ### [16:11] Chat GPT Models and AI in WordPress [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (14:51 - 16:11)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/5f4146e4-b47c-41ba-9dc0-686e1436a2b1) <audio controls> <source src="https://chrt.fm/track/1554D/audio1.redcircle.com/episodes/fb083720-70cc-4a55-9229-f205b68c0a7f/stream.mp3#t=14:51,16:11"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary chat WP is also going to provide you like a link. So if it gives you advice that it generates, then it should also provide you a link to the source. But that being said, we're still hearing mixed results from people who are, you know, trying to use it. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>To give you really good results because it's getting them from your diet. So you can kind of train it more than like you're talking about posting a blog post in there. Well, this is like here's how to write the code. And here's examples of code in the documentation so that the AI should be a little more knowledgeable. And on top of that, chat WP is also going to provide you like a link. So if it gives you advice that it generates, then it should also provide you a link to the source. But that being said, we're still hearing mixed results from people who are, you know, trying to use it. So I'm kind of interesting to see where we are on this kind of tech curve. And if a year from now, this stuff will be radically fixed. Or if it will still be kind of struggling in particular with like code documentation and getting examples from these types of chat GPT models. In other news, search engines are also adding AI results and SEO is a big topic in WordPress. And it seems like over the years, Google has already been taking away from like search results and kind of adding answers and little snippets and things like that. There's a lot of concern, I think, from online publications about how this could affect web traffic. Emily, have you heard anything about this?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>Yeah, a little bit. You know, SEO is kind of, especially with Google sort of always feels like a moving target. They</blockquote> </details> --- # Noele Flowers and the Evolution of Community  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Noele Flowers and the Evolution of Community]] - Show:: [[The Community Experience]] - Owner / Host:: [[David Grabowski]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/f89f6599-a2a1-4824-994a-fd08c62dbc87) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-07 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > #074 We'd all like to create bustling communities that seduce members into multiple daily logins. But isn't that just taking a page out of the social media addiction book? In this episode, we take a step back and reconsider the essentials of running a thriving digital space. Joining our endeavor is Noele Flowers, an expert strategic community consultant. So how do you optimize a community for the metrics that impact your bottom line? With no get-rich-quick schemes to abuse, how do you identify and focus on the programs that will transform your business? This is what we tackle in today's conversation with Noele. We also explore community consulting as a career option and learn how she leverages her influential newsletter to serve her audience. Don't even think about missing this chat because Noele's next-level knowledge is vital for anyone looking to earn a living in community! Show notes and more at SmartPassiveIncome.com/cx074 .<br/>> See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info . </details> - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [31:17] How to create a successful community Tags: #community [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (31:07 - 32:34)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/ee59497d-39b6-4079-8370-2ec7a5872570) <audio controls> <source src="https://rss.art19.com/episodes/3603a601-e946-4741-bb39-e3d5557051ca.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIgtDaHJvbWUGOgZFVA%3D%3D--d05363d83ce333c74f32188013892b2863ad051c#t=31:07,32:34"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. It depends on the person being served how frequently they need to be interacting with the community in order to get business impact. 2. There are some community personas who are more effective with less interaction. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>A lot of times I'll ask my clients, like, how much do you want people to be interacting in your community? And almost every person, their gut impulse is like every day, multiple times a day. But then when you're kind of pushing them on it, you're trying to actually answer the question, like, how frequently do they have to be tapping into this thing for it to be helpful to them? Because for you, at least in my opinion, for you to get business impact out of a community, it has to be genuinely helpful to the member. And there are some cases where some community personas, it's less helpful for them to have to tap into the community every single day than it is for them to do it like once every two weeks. So it really depends on the person that you're serving and what you're trying to like deliver for them.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Absolutely. It's so easy to just get, and I'm saying this as someone who's currently doing this, like, just get to spread too thin with, you know, so many little components and add-ons. And like from a value perspective, I don't think community members are expecting like, here we are now entertaining us, right? Like, they have a life, to your point, just make it very clear like, hey, when you come here, this is what you get, this is what you accomplish. And then you go and like live your life. And then you just have to, it has to be compelling enough for them to come back, right? Right.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [40:14] How to Handle Criticism in a Community Builder's Role [🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (37:53 - 40:29)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/d3fe1000-214e-4b51-818f-4466a91f54fb) <audio controls> <source src="https://rss.art19.com/episodes/3603a601-e946-4741-bb39-e3d5557051ca.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIgtDaHJvbWUGOgZFVA%3D%3D--d05363d83ce333c74f32188013892b2863ad051c#t=37:53,40:29"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Communication is key in building community, and being proactive about addressing problems instead of waiting for them to arise is the best way to go. 2. Listen carefully to feedback and be willing to admit when you've made a mistake. This will show your community that you're human and that they can trust you. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>That's one of the things we know as community builders is like most things you want to proactively address instead of like waiting for somebody to be upset. And that solves like 95% of problems.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Good communication. I think yeah, like prevents so many things. And every once in a while, I get myself in a situation where I'm like, what am I doing? You know, because you're just like, I'm moving fast. Got to do this thing. Make it change. Boom, boom, bop. And then people are like, oh, hold on. What? You know, and then you look and you're like, yeah, I could have explained that better. I should have given more of a heads up, you know, whatever it is. I think it's a constant evolution, but communities are made of humans. And so if you mess up, you just own it, which is, I'm usually like, you're right. You know, it doesn't happen often. But like, just be human and say, hey, I misjudged this, I should have given more time. We should have gotten more feedback. I didn't realize this was going to be a thing. Now that I know it is, let's talk, you know, you just have to be willing to talk to other humans. It's radical. Truly radical.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Yeah, you're like, yeah, when you receive feedback, you have to really listen. Yes.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And say like, Hey, I messed up. I'm sorry. If you'd like to talk about it, if you want to yell at me, and I guess it depends on your boundaries, right? But I'm like, sure, you want to hop on a call and just tell me I'm terrible and like, get it all out. That's what I do not you like you will not phase me. Do it. Go for it. And nine times out of 10, those calls turned more into very empathetic interactions where I'm like, Hey, and maybe it's because they don't expect me to be like, yeah, I'm really sorry. I, you know, this is what I thought was happening. It's not or you know, whatever it is. And then they're like, Oh, right, you're human. And like, I want to say I'm mad because of this, but also I understand like nine times out of 10, they're like, I see why you did it. Yeah. Like, or I understand the decision the company made because as we all know in community, if you, if you're running a community, especially on behalf of an organization or a person or whatever, you sometimes get to deliver news that you had no choice in, you may not even agree with it. And everyone's going to let you know they have a problem with it. Right. And so you kind of take that role. I've definitely learned to like, it's okay, like you can hold space for people and that that shows them that even if they disagree with a company thing and they're frustrated and they even take it out on you, they know, like it's not you.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Totally.</blockquote> </details> --- # Building Developer Relations Teams with Trag  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Building Developer Relations Teams With Trag]] - Show:: [[Build and Learn]] - Owner / Host:: [[CJ Avilla, Colin Loretz]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/ea4b9b99-2589-4a17-b82f-4f0ee6a6bf37) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-07 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > In this podcast episode, we are diving into the world of developer advocacy and developer relations with Chris Traganos, aka "Trag." <br/>> While Chris and CJ originally met working together in developer advocacy at Stripe, Trag talks to us about his new role leading the Developer & Appstore Evangelism program at Amazon . <br/>> <br/>> How DevRel strategies change depending on the type and size of company <br/>> Tradeoffs that come with "where" a DevRel team is situated on in an organization <br/>> Sales & Marketing <br/>> Engineering <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> The ever-evolving role of DevRel within a company <br/>> DevRel as "on-screen talent" <br/>> As a DevRel manager, how to advocate for advocates <br/>> How to help dev advocates reach their personal goals <br/>> Choosing tracks in your career <br/>> Dev Advocacy & Engineering paths <br/>> Individual Contributor & Manager paths <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Resources: - @chris_trag on Twitter - @AmazonAppDev on Twitter </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://share.transistor.fm/s/3809dd1e) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [17:55] Tradeoffs of Dev Rel Teams Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (17:19 - 18:38)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/10957279-5429-4796-abcf-01c51b3c1ce4) <audio controls> <source src="https://media.transistor.fm/3809dd1e/a06e5a36.mp3#t=17:19,18:38"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Dev rel teams can be under different departments, depending on the company. 2. Dev rel teams can have different focuses, depending on the department they are under. 3. Dev rel teams can be important for the developer experience. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Is this is your new team? How is it organized? And also like, are you under marketing? Are you under engineering? And yeah, like I think there's a lot of benefits and trade offs depending on like where a dev rel team lands. And so yeah, I'm curious where your current setup is. And then maybe if you could speak to some of the trade offs of like where you put dev rel and like how that impacts things. And in some companies, like you report directly to the CEO, whereas like other places you might be buried under some sales or marketing team.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Yeah, it's it's it's such a like a hot button topic because I mean, folks have their, you know, their, I would say two things. People have their opinions on what dev dev advocates are. Like for whatever good or bad experience they've had with a dev advocate, like that is pretty much set in stone unless they're convinced otherwise in a different experience later. And I also think dev rel in marketing versus so I have, I've built dev rel teams under the CTO. Yeah, directly under the CEO. I've been directly under partnerships and business development. I've been under marketing and it's stripe. Obviously it was directly under engineering. And so it's kind of wild like your tactics in your focus shifts a little. But I do think you're still really fighting bit on behalf of the developer experience. And you're acting as developer zero.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [24:13] How to Manage a Dev Advocate Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 53sec️ (27:52 - 28:46)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/bb74f89b-f68c-40b5-bc66-668f8f92a415) <audio controls> <source src="https://media.transistor.fm/3809dd1e/a06e5a36.mp3#t=27:52,28:46"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. Dev advocacy can be many different things, including helping to improve SDKs and ensuring that the code quality is high. 2. It is important to have the skills to be an engineer in order to be a good dev advocate. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>Dev advocacy can be so many different things, even in one team, right? You have SDKs, which might be more someone's rolling up their sleeves and figuring out how do we generate these better? How do we make sure like, oh, our PHP one's not as good as our Ruby one, we're getting feedback, you're working with product to return that feedback to the team that's building those SDKs, you're helping people with contents, you've doing all these things. I think we kind of touched on this in our episode with Lindsey Barrett about technical support and technical support managers. And there's this you kind of touched on this as well of worrying about losing their engineering chops or maybe even I'll just say dev advocacy almost seeing as like less than being an engineer when really, you know, I think there's a perception of that when really the job is just so different. It's just a difference job with different skills and you need to be able to do some of that engineering.</blockquote> </details> --- # The Evolution of DevRel with Jeremy Meiss  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[The Evolution of DevRel With Jeremy Meiss]] - Show:: [[Screaming in the Cloud]] - Owner / Host:: [[Corey Quinn]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/981ce456-ddb4-4da2-ac1a-606d2ede4549) - Episode publish date:: 2023-02-02 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > About Jeremy<br/>> Jeremy is the Director of DevRel I’m not sure what to call it—but my gut tells me that a lot of things that were aimed at, let’s call it developer quality of life, they were something of a necessity in the unprecedented bull market that we’ve seen for the last decade at some point because most companies cannot afford to compete with the giant tech company compensation packages, so you have to instead talk about quality of life and what work-life balance looks like, and here’s why all of the tools and processes here won’t drive you to madness. And now it feels like, “Oh, we don’t actually have to invest in a lot of those things, just because oh yeah, like, the benefits here are you’re still going to be employed next week. So, how about that?” And I don’t think that’s a particularly healthy way to interact with people—it’s certainly not how I do—but it does seem that worrying about keeping developers absolutely thrilled with every aspect of their jobs has taken something of a backseat during the downturn.<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: I don’t know. I feel like developer satisfaction is still an important piece, even though, you know, we have a changing market. And as you described, if you’re not happy with the tool you’re using, you’re not going to be as productive than using the tool or using—you know, whether it’s an actual developer productivity tool, or it’s even just the fact that you might need two monitors, you’re not going to be as productive if you’re not enjoying what you’re doing. So, there is a piece of it, I think, the companies are recognizing that there are some tools that do ultimately benefit and there’s some things that they can say, we’re not going to invest in that area right now. We’re good with where we’re at.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: On some level, being able to say, “No, we’re not going to invest in that right now,” is the right decision. It is challenging, in some cases, to wind up talking to some team members in some orgs, who do not have the context that is required to understand why that decision is being made. Because without context, it looks like, “Mmm, no. I’m just canceling Christmas for you personally this year. Sorry, doesn’t it suck to be you? [singing] Dut, dut.” And that is very rarely how executives make decisions, except apparently if they’re Elon Musk.<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: Right. Well, the [Muskrat 00:21:23] can, you know, sink any company—<br/>> <br/>> Corey: [laugh].<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: — and get away with it. And that’s one thing I’ve really been happy with where I’m at now, is you have a leadership team that says, “Hey, here’s where things are, and here’s what it looks like. And here’s how we’re all contributing to where we’re going, and here’s the decisions we’re going to make, and here’s how—” they’re very open with what’s going on. And it’s not a surprise to anybody that the economic time means that we maybe can’t go to 65 events next year. Like, that’s just reality.<br/>> <br/>> But at the end of the day, we still have to go and do a job and help grow the company. So, how can we do that more efficiently? Which means that we—it leaves it better to try and figure that out than to be so nebulous, with like, “Yep, nope. You can’t go do that.” That’s where true leadership comes to is, like, laying it out there, and just, you know, getting people alongside with you.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: How do you see DevRel evolving? Because I think we had a giant evolution over the past few years. Because suddenly, the old vision of DevRel—at least in some quarters, which I admit I fell a little too deeply into—was, I’m going to go to all the conferences and give all of the talks, even though most of them are not related to the core of what I do. And maybe that’s a viable strategy; maybe it’s not. I think it depends on what your business does.<br/>> <br/>> And I don’t disagree with the assertion that going and doing something in public can have excellent downstream effects, even if the connection is not obvious. But suddenly, we weren’t able to do that, and people were forced to almost reinvent how a lot of that works. Now, that the world is, for better or worse, starting to open up again, how do you see it evolving? Are we going right back to a different DevOps days in a different city every week?<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: I think it’s a lot more strategic now. I think generally, there is less mountains of money that you can pull from to go and do whatever the hell you want. You have to be more strategic. I said that a few times. Like, there’s looking at it and making sure, like, yeah, it would be great to go and, you know, get in front of 50,000 people this quarter or this year, whatever you want to do, but is that really going to move the bottom line for us? Is that really going to help the business, or is that just helping your Delta miles?<br/>> <br/>> What is really the best bang for the buck? So, I think DevRel as it evolves, in the next few years, has to come to a good recognition moment of we need to be a little bit more prescriptive in how we do things within our company and not so willy-nilly return to you know, what we generally used to get away with. That means you’re going to see a lot more people have to be held to account within their companies of, is what you’re doing actually match up to our business goal here? How does that fit? And having to explain more of that, and that’s, I think, for some people will be easy. Some people are going to have to stretch that muscle, and others are going to be in a real tough pickle.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: One last topic I want to get into with you is devopspartygames.com , an online more or less DevOps, quote-unquote, “Personality” assortment of folks who wind up playing online games. I was invited once and promptly never invited back ever again. So first, was it something I said—obviously—and two what is that and how—is that still going in this post-pandemic-ish era?<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: I like how you answered your own question first; that way I don’t have to answer it. The second one, the way it came about was just, you know, Matty and I had started missing that interaction that we would tend to have in person. And so, one of the ways we started realizing is we play these, you know, Jackbox games, and why can’t we just do this with DevOps tech prompts? So, that’s kind of how it kicked off. We started playing around doing it for fun and then I was like, “You know, we should—we could do this as a big, big deal for foreseeable future.”<br/>> <br/>> Where’s that now is, we actually have not done one online for—what is it? So probably, like, eight, nine months, primarily because it’s harder and harder to do so as everybody [laugh]—we’re now doing a little bit more travel, and it’s hard to do those—as you know, doing podcasts, it takes a lot of work. It’s not an easy kind of thing. And so, we’ve kind of put that on pause. But we actually did our first in-person DevOps Party Games at DevOpsDays Chicago recently, and that was a big hit, I think, and opportunity to kind of take what we’re doing virtually, and the fun and excitement that we generally would have—relatively half-drunk—to actually doing it actually in-person at an event. And in the different—like, just as giving talks in person was a different level of interaction with the crowd, the same thing is doing it in person. So, it was just kind of a fun thing and an opportunity maybe to continue to do it in person.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: I think we all got a hell of a lot better very quickly at speaking to cameras instead of audiences and the rest. It also forced us to be more focused because the camera gives you nothing in a way that the audience absolutely does.<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: They say make love to the camera, but it doesn’t work anyways.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: I really want to thank you for spending as much time as you have talking to me. If people want to learn more about who you are and what you’re up to, where should they go?<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: Well, for the foreseeable future, or at least what we can guess, you can find me on the Twitters at @Iamjerdog . You can find me there or you can find me at, you know, LinkedIn , at jeremymeiss, LinkedIn. And you know, probably come into your local DevOpsDays or other conference as well.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: Of course. And we will, of course, put links to that in the show notes.<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: Excellent.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: Thank you so much for being so generous with your time. It is always appreciated. And I do love talking with you.<br/>> <br/>> Jeremy: And I appreciate it, Corey. It was great beyond, finally. I won’t hold it against you anymore.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: Jeremy Meiss, Director of DevRel at CircleCI. I’m Cloud Economist Corey Quinn and this is Screaming in the Cloud . If you’ve enjoyed this podcast, please leave a five-star review on your podcast platform of choice, whereas if you’ve hated this podcast, please leave a five-star review on your podcast platform of choice, along with an angry, irritated comment talking about how CI/CD is nonsense and the correct way to deploy to production is via the tried-and-true method of copying and pasting.<br/>> <br/>> Corey: If your AWS bill keeps rising and your blood pressure is doing the same, then you need The Duckbill Group. We help companies fix their AWS bill by making it smaller and less horrifying. The Duckbill Group works for you, not AWS. We tailor recommendations to your business and we get to the point. Visit duckbillgroup.com to get started. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://share.transistor.fm/s/060ea88a) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [10:15] Building Relationships with Developers [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (08:52 - 10:46)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/0843da4c-83fc-4cc9-a020-f060ff8d7f2c) <audio controls> <source src="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/media.transistor.fm/060ea88a/60663355.mp3#t=08:52,10:46"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. DevRel is a mix of different things, depending on the company's goals. 2. DevRel is important for marketing, sales, and product development. 3. Each member of the company needs to be doing all three to be effective. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Not to take from the standard DevOps answer, but I think it depends.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>That's the standard lawyer answer to anything up to and including is it legal for me to murder someone. And it's also the senior consultant answer to anything too, because it turns out the world is baked in nuance and doesn't lend itself to being resolved in 280 characters or less. That's what threads are for. Right.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>That is ultimately the answer I think with DevRel. For me, it is depending on what your company is trying to do. You ultimately want to start with building relationships with your developers, because they're the ones using your product. And if you can get them excited about what they're doing with your product or get excited about your product with what they're doing, then you have something to stand on. But you also have to have a product fit. You have to actually know what the hell your product is doing. And is it going to integrate with whatever your developers want? And so, DevRel kind of stands in that gap that says, okay, here's what the community wants and advocates for the community. And then you have that's going to advocate for the company back to the community. And hopefully at the end of the day, they all shake hands. But also, I've been round enough to recognize that there's comes that point where you either A have to say, hey, our product for that thing is probably not the best thing for what you're trying to do. Here, you should maybe start at this other point. And also understanding to take that even to the next step to finish up the answer, like my biggest piece now is all the fights that we have constantly around DevRel in the space of what is it and what is it not. DevRel is marketing, DevRel is sales, DevRel is product. And each of those, if you're not doing those things as a member of the company, you're not doing your job. Everybody in the company is the product. Everybody in the company is sales. Everybody in the company is marketing.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Not everyone in the company realizes this, but I agree wholeheartedly. Yes.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [10:22] Building Relationships with Developers Tags: #devrel [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (10:46 - 12:16)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f67c70c4-3b6f-4796-93e9-d3d22df0abc5) <audio controls> <source src="https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/media.transistor.fm/060ea88a/60663355.mp3#t=10:46,12:16"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. DevRel is marketing and sales. 2. It is important to define what marketing is and to ensure that DevRel is not the first to be dropped when a company changes direction. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>And so that's where it's like, yes, DevRel is marketing. Yes, it is sales. And because if you're not out there spreading whatever the news is about your product and you're not actually showing people how to use it and answering and making things easier for people, you're not going to have a job. And too often these companies that are too often, I think, a lot of DevRel teams find themselves in places where they're the first that get dropped when the company goes through things because sometimes it is just the fact that the company has not figured out what they really want. But also sometimes as the team hasn't really figured out how to position themselves inside the business.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>One of the biggest, I'll call it challenges that I see in the DevRel space comes down to defining what it is first and foremost. I think that it is collectively a mistake for an awful lot of practitioners of developer relations to wind up saying first and foremost that we're not marketing. Well, what is it that you believe that marketing is? In fact, I'll take it a step beyond that. I think that marketing is inherently the only place in most companies where we know that doing these things leads to good results, but it's very difficult to attribute or define that value. So how do we make sure that we're not first off on the Chomping Block? That has been marketing's entire existence.</blockquote> </details> --- # #41 How to create a reusable query block pattern in FSE  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[#41 How to create a reusable query block pattern in FSE]] - Show:: [[WP Café]] - Owner / Host:: [[WP Café]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/f9898111-4217-41f4-aa00-0b9a616427fd) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-27 - Show notes link:: [open website](https://wpcafe.show/podcast/41-how-to-create-a-reusable-query-block-pattern-in-fse/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [02:18] Untitled [🎧 Play snip - 10sec️ (00:00 - 00:10)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/8bc56483-e1b2-4333-b896-ddc1b830859e) <audio controls> <source src="https://wpcafe.show/podcast-download/282/41-how-to-create-a-reusable-query-block-pattern-in-fse.m4a#t=00:00,00:10"> </audio> --- # 525 – Customizing WordPress Block Themes  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[525 – Customizing WordPress Block Themes]] - Show:: [[WordPress Resource: Your Website Engineer with Dustin Hartzler]] - Owner / Host:: [[Dustin R. Hartzler | WordPress Website Engineer]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/45c1d1df-7c4a-43fc-8574-fe6da7c3654d) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-18 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Announcements <br/>> <br/>> Explore building a site in 5.9 thru 6. <br/>> Gutenberg 14.9 updates <br/>> <br/>> Is there a plugin for that? <br/>> With more than 50,000 plugins in the WordPress repository, it’s hard to find the perfect one. Each week, I will highlight an interesting plugin form the repository.<br/>> <br/>> For more great plugins, download my 50 Most Useful Plugins eBook .<br/>> <br/>> Coblocks is a plugin that will add an additional 54 blocks to your site to give you even MORE options to customize your site.<br/>> <br/>> Customizing WordPress Block Themes <br/>> <br/>> Parent theme a complete WordPress theme. It includes all the template files and assets required for the theme to work <br/>> Child theme a sub theme that inherits the look, feel, and functions of the parent theme <br/>> <br/>> Benefits of a child theme:<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Fully customize your site <br/>> Your modifications will not be overwritten when the parent theme receives an update <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Create Block Theme <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Thank You! <br/>> Thank you to those who use my affiliate links. As you know I make a small commission when someone uses my link and I want to say thank you to the following people. For all my recommended resources, go to my Resources Page <br/>> <br/>> View on YourWebsiteEngineer.com </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://yourwebsiteengineer.com/525-customizing-wordpress-block-themes/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [03:29] Untitled [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (02:09 - 03:29)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/e0c04244-7686-4a68-ac83-c77fa445e910) <audio controls> <source src="https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/thewe/525_-_Customizing_WordPress_Block_Themes.mp3#t=02:09,03:29"> </audio> --- ### [03:38] CoBlocks page building blocks review Tags: #coblocks [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (03:36 - 04:51)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/ef46d7b2-8479-46ff-908b-6f7e28319325) <audio controls> <source src="https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/thewe/525_-_Customizing_WordPress_Block_Themes.mp3#t=03:36,04:51"> </audio> --- # Gutenberg Changelog #77 – Gutenberg 14.7, what’s new for Block Themes, an upcoming Live Q&A in January  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Gutenberg Changelog #77 – Gutenberg 14.7, what’s new for Block Themes, an upcoming Live Q&A in January]] - Show:: [[Gutenberg Changelog]] - Owner / Host:: [[Gutenberg Times]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/4a4aa757-5292-42ce-b6ec-64574b9df807) - Episode publish date:: 2022-12-12 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Daisy Olsen and Birgit Pauli-Haack discuss Gutenberg 14.7, what’s new for Block Themes, an upcoming Live Q A in January and much more. Show Notes / Transcript Show Notes Announcements Community Contributions What s released What s worked on Transcript Birgit Pauli-Haack: Hello and welcome to our 77th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog Podcast. In today s episode, we </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast/gutenberg-changelog-77-gutenberg-14-7-whats-new-for-block-themes-an-upcoming-live-qa-in-january/) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [15:30] Gutenberg Change Law Podcast 77 [🎧 Play snip - 10sec️ (00:00 - 00:10)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/f60022fd-2cc0-403f-8d45-2f82bb2c02a0) <audio controls> <source src="https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast-download/22971/gutenberg-changelog-77-gutenberg-14-7-whats-new-for-block-themes-an-upcoming-live-qa-in-january.mp3#t=00:00,00:10"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary Hello and welcome to our 77th episode #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Hello and welcome to our 77th episode of</blockquote> </details> --- ### [15:30] Gutenberg Change Law Podcast 77 [🎧 Play snip - 10sec️ (00:00 - 00:10)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/63ef79ad-8be5-433c-8e8b-8174689cbabd) <audio controls> <source src="https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast-download/22971/gutenberg-changelog-77-gutenberg-14-7-whats-new-for-block-themes-an-upcoming-live-qa-in-january.mp3#t=00:00,00:10"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary Hello and welcome to our 77th episode #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Hello and welcome to our 77th episode of</blockquote> </details> --- # On The Fediverse, WordPress, And Activity Pub With Matthias Pfefferle — Post Status Draft 135  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[On the Fediverse, WordPress, and Activity Pub With Matthias Pfefferle — Post Status Draft 135]] - Show:: [[Post Status Podcasts]] - Owner / Host:: [[Cory Miller]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/b705a68c-a322-497d-b38d-a0ca2a62b067) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-06 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > In this episode, Cory Miller talks with Matthias Pfefferle , creator of Activity Pub , about the growing potential for decentralization through innovation within WordPress. Current social networks have stripped creators of agency and power. The threat has been more acutely felt with the recent transitions within Twitter. Recognizing what is at stake and moving towards innovation could not only create needed solutions but could also propel the future of WordPress.<br/>> Top Takeaways: <br/>> Decentralization: So much of the power of WordPress is rooted in decentralization. The silos created by social media platforms leave users without agency. The potential and appetite for decentralization is increasing along with the tools to make it a reality via the Fediverse, Activity Pub, and more. Portable Social Networks: If you are blocked or banned from a major social network, you lose your content and contacts. The need to create portable social networks so you can move your audience and retain your content if you opt to or are forced to switch platforms or hosts is crucial.  Alternative Walled Gardens: The need for alternative social platforms where users have agency and ownership continues to increase. The Twitter debacle has been a huge catalyst for users to transition to other platforms like Mastodon, but the potential for WordPress to solve identifier issues and more could create the largest platform overnight. How can we create tools and empower people to be a part of social networks and retain ownership of all they create? How can WordPress build on the current momentum to create future relevance? 🙏 Sponsor: A2 Hosting   <br/>> A2Hosting offers solutions for WordPress and WooCommerce that are both blazing fast and ultra-reliable. WordPress can be easily deployed on ANY web hosting plan from A2: Shared, VPS, or Dedicated. A2 also offers Managed WordPress and WooCommerce Hosting. Take a look at a2hosting.com today!<br/>> 🔗 Mentioned in the show: Matthias Pfefferle Activity Pub Activity Pub Plugin Fediverse Mastodon Pixelfed B2 W3C World Wide Web Foundation 🐦 You can follow Post Status and our guests on Twitter: Matthias Pfefferle (Creator, Activity Pub ) Cory Miller (CEO, Post Status ) Olivia Bisset (Intern, Post Status ) The Post Status Draft podcast is geared toward WordPress professionals, with interviews, news, and deep analysis. 📝 Browse our archives , and don’t forget to subscribe via iTunes , Google Podcasts , YouTube , Stitcher , Simplecast , or RSS . 🎧 </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://poststatus.com/podcasts) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [26:06] The Problem with Convincing People to Use the Fediverse [🎧 Play snip - 4min️ (22:24 - 27:09)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/215f214f-6d7f-420d-9ad6-93ddc8997561) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/1aedc7c7-4ae2-4f3b-a910-0825c2cf97bf/audio/c8314f86-adf8-40f2-bbdb-5a0c7c9e99fe/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=22:24,27:09"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. It is hard to convince people to use the Fediverse as their main source of information and communication,. 2. The current situation with Twitter is one of the best things that could happen for the Fediverse because it is still easier to be on Facebook. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Sorry, I'm trying to get clear on my question. So okay, no, no, no, you help me. Now that in broadening my understanding of it, because what I see is going, here's a choice just like we had in the old days, here's a choice proprietary software, closed software. And then here's a choice called WordPress and open source. So I think the question I'm probably trying to get to is I think that thesis here is we need to get it. We need to get a lot of people embracing the Fediverse and understanding.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>I see.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>Yeah. Okay. What do you, but what do you think needs to happen? Or this to become the new way we don't go to Twitter, Facebook, closed system, we go to use it to like WordPress or whatever other tool connected to the Fediverse and you're, you're doing the same thing as those creators back on Instagram. Because that's, is that not the vision here? Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>That's the vision. The problem is it's very, very hard to convince someone to do that. So I think the, the, the current situation with Twitter was one of the best thing that could happen for the whole Fediverse muscle on stuff. Because I think it's still way easier to be on Facebook and to publish things on Facebook, because all of your friends are there. And the, the whole following part on the Fediverse is still a bit nerdy because you, you have to, you have to understand the, the identifier thing, username, ads, domain. And you have to know which user is on which platform. So you have to know the complete handle. And there's currently no easy way kind of. Yeah. Search through this directory and find all of, all of your friends. They, they tried to do that using Twitter. So if you put the, the message on handle in your Twitter bio, there were tools that grab these information and edit all of these friends you had on Twitter on the, on the, on the muscle on or something like that. But there's, in the end, there's again, a centralized platform you are using to find your friends. I think this is really the, the key change. If you find a way kind of like the email address, if, if it's common sense to use such identifiers, then it would be no pro, the, the Fediverse would be no problem. So maybe it's a good idea to combine that with email addresses to find or to convince the big email providers or hosting providers to also run master on instances, at least for the short term so that you kind of understand the, how the identifier works, or you kind of, yeah, improve the, the, the whole identifier stuff. I think that's the key part in the whole discussion. Yeah.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>And it's like, it's easier.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Or TikTok or Instagram, it's easier to say I'm Matthias at Instagram. It's way easier than I would say I'm Matthias at Nautids.blog. So yeah. And there's currently, there's currently no search engine that searches through all the different federated platforms. So you can't guess on Instagram, you, you can try to search for the whole name and you get suggestions. But if you search in the Fediverse and you're on the wrong platform, you don't, you don't find the person in general you're searching for.</blockquote> </details> --- # Support Inclusion in Tech with Winstina Hughes — Post Status Draft 136  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Support Inclusion in Tech With Winstina Hughes — Post Status Draft 136]] - Show:: [[Post Status Podcasts]] - Owner / Host:: [[Cory Miller]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/766a047b-49a9-42bc-8b74-31d9a74108d8) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-07 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Winstina Hughes   is a long-term community member and organizer within WordPress. She joins Cory Miller to discuss Support Inclusion in Tech , an effort to increase representation of minority and underrepresented speakers at WordCamp by providing needed financial support. This offers everyone in the WordPress community the chance to share their expertise and to contribute resources, so everyone has the opportunity to engage.<br/>> Top Takeaways: <br/>> Creativity is our common bond.: WordPress is the playground where we all came to tinker and build for fun or business. It is the software magic where we discover what new things we can do each day, how to make ideas become reality, and how we might leverage what we learn to create a better world. Ripple effect of inclusion: When you provide the ability for a large group of people to participate, travel, and network, the impact extends beyond the WordPress community to create the bigger changes we want to see in the world. This is our community magic. Fifth Freedom in WordPress: We are all familiar with The Four Freedoms of WordPress. This is the 5th - full participation. Removing the financial barrier will bring us closer to the reality of being a truly inclusive community. 🙏 Sponsor: Gravity Forms <br/>> Gravity Forms is a powerful form builder for WordPress and the #1 choice for businesses and web professionals across the globe. Its vast array of features, intuitive drag-and-drop form editor, and extensive ecosystem of add-ons, ensure customers can design beautiful, intelligent, and accessible forms for any project requirement.<br/>> 🔗 Mentioned in the show: SUPPORT INCLUSION IN TECH Steve Bruner Kevin Cristiano WordCamp  WPNYC WordPro  Sustainable New Jersey BuddyPress GoDaddy  Yoast Master WP 🐦 You can follow Post Status and our guests on Twitter: Winstina Hughes Cory Miller (CEO, Post Status ) Olivia Bisset (Intern, Post Status ) The Post Status Draft podcast is geared toward WordPress professionals, with interviews, news, and deep analysis. 📝 Browse our archives , and don’t forget to subscribe via iTunes , Google Podcasts , YouTube , Stitcher , Simplecast , or RSS . 🎧 </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://poststatus.com/podcasts) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [31:28] The Role of WP Support in the WP Community [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (30:05 - 31:25)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/bcb5ab58-ae3b-4b17-bfc6-b638ada6bd39) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/ff92c192-34a8-4da5-983a-374066d05a80/audio/cf47865a-c783-4ac0-b0da-2bdc538b560f/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=30:05,31:25"> </audio> ### ✨ Key takeaways 1. The study is providing support in different ways from how post status is providing support, from how you're just providing support, and from how master WP is. 2. The main thing that the study is doing is providing support for work camps and for unique individuals. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And the study, you know, is providing support is different from how post status is providing support is different from how you're just providing support and it's different from, you know, how master WP is and when I started this and I, you know, and I wrote on my blog like really this proposal on Wednesday, he's calm, I went into it. You know, with the understanding personal understanding is that it's going to take a couple years to understand the needs of our community and the ways, you know, companies in our ecosystem can support these needs. And in the last six months, exactly what I, you know, anticipated is what I've been able to, you know, to see. And, you know, currently, there have been three, you know, requests for, you know, to participate, you know, for funding for support for work camps and to unique, you know, individuals have made those requests. And, you know, so right now it's a question of, you know, like assisting them, you know, with the process of how, you know, our four partners, you know, can support them in that way. And I think that answers part of your question.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [31:37] Who receives the money [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (30:35 - 32:00)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/79c479f0-f4aa-4ece-94e6-ebbd1470f682) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/ff92c192-34a8-4da5-983a-374066d05a80/audio/cf47865a-c783-4ac0-b0da-2bdc538b560f/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=30:35,32:00"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary "In the last six months, exactly what I, you know, anticipated is what I've been able to see," he says. "I think that answers part of your question." He adds: "The second part of the question is, like, so how is this financial component going to work right?" #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Community and the ways, you know, companies in our ecosystem can support these needs. And in the last six months, exactly what I, you know, anticipated is what I've been able to, you know, to see. And, you know, currently, there have been three, you know, requests for, you know, to participate, you know, for funding for support for work camps and to unique, you know, individuals have made those requests. And, you know, so right now it's a question of, you know, like assisting them, you know, with the process of how, you know, our four partners, you know, can support them in that way. And I think that answers part of your question. And the second part of the question is, like, so how is this financial component going to work right like, are these giving me money. No, you're not. Like, I'm not receiving, you know, any of the money that is the financial support that you're providing. And that's looking at your company's processes. You know, your, your financial processes, your accounting processes for you to, you know, step back and think like how could we as a company provide this level of support. You know, it could be that</blockquote> </details> --- ### [31:25] Are You Giving Me Money? [🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (31:25 - 33:32)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/b7c6a47d-4e8b-4ea2-b8c4-472b6748a8c8) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/ff92c192-34a8-4da5-983a-374066d05a80/audio/cf47865a-c783-4ac0-b0da-2bdc538b560f/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=31:25,33:32"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary The way post status, you know, is seeking to support speakers to is different from us. You pledge how much you can support speakers financially. And once that has been met, then your capacity for the year is met. The partners essentially gray out for that year. become active the next year. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And the second part of the question is, like, so how is this financial component going to work right like, are these giving me money. No, you're not. Like, I'm not receiving, you know, any of the money that is the financial support that you're providing. And that's looking at your company's processes. You know, your, your financial processes, your accounting processes for you to, you know, step back and think like how could we as a company provide this level of support. You know, it could be that you already have an existing program, you already has a diversity fund. And so, you know, partnering with me is the way of, you know, kind of bringing the need that exists to them as well. And so therefore they're able to like further serve the community. You know, through those who are expressing an interest through supporting inclusion and tech. The way post status, you know, is seeking to support speakers to is different from us. And, you know, you know, yourse has a budget, and has their own system and their own ways of support. And so they also have a budget and then master WP, they also have a budget. And so, once that budget has been met, then, you know, the partners essentially gray out for that year. Become active the next year. And so that is a way of making this sustainable. You pledge how much you can support speakers financially. And once that has been met, then your capacity for the year is met. And then next year, once you've reallocated your budget, or not reallocated, but once you've defined your budget for the year, then you would go back into the process of supporting speakers.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [31:25] Are You Giving Me Money? [🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (31:25 - 33:32)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/92784498-fbdd-4636-b326-d24ae4cd0397) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/ff92c192-34a8-4da5-983a-374066d05a80/audio/cf47865a-c783-4ac0-b0da-2bdc538b560f/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=31:25,33:32"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary The way post status, you know, is seeking to support speakers to is different from us. You pledge how much you can support speakers financially. And once that has been met, then your capacity for the year is met. The partners essentially gray out for that year. become active the next year. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And the second part of the question is, like, so how is this financial component going to work right like, are these giving me money. No, you're not. Like, I'm not receiving, you know, any of the money that is the financial support that you're providing. And that's looking at your company's processes. You know, your, your financial processes, your accounting processes for you to, you know, step back and think like how could we as a company provide this level of support. You know, it could be that you already have an existing program, you already has a diversity fund. And so, you know, partnering with me is the way of, you know, kind of bringing the need that exists to them as well. And so therefore they're able to like further serve the community. You know, through those who are expressing an interest through supporting inclusion and tech. The way post status, you know, is seeking to support speakers to is different from us. And, you know, you know, yourse has a budget, and has their own system and their own ways of support. And so they also have a budget and then master WP, they also have a budget. And so, once that budget has been met, then, you know, the partners essentially gray out for that year. Become active the next year. And so that is a way of making this sustainable. You pledge how much you can support speakers financially. And once that has been met, then your capacity for the year is met. And then next year, once you've reallocated your budget, or not reallocated, but once you've defined your budget for the year, then you would go back into the process of supporting speakers.</blockquote> </details> --- ### [42:13] GoDaddy's Impact Could Be Strong With Word Camps Around the World [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (42:13 - 43:52)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/3310532e-b8d4-4e88-a689-5f22746dc72a) <audio controls> <source src="https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/e290c62f-11d7-4122-bacd-73e61ba0f2a3/episodes/ff92c192-34a8-4da5-983a-374066d05a80/audio/cf47865a-c783-4ac0-b0da-2bdc538b560f/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=2JE9sc8P#t=42:13,43:52"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary GoDaddy is currently working through their process. And I do believe that because of the fact that they have teams around the world, that GoDaddy's reach will also extend beyond domestic sites. That I'm anticipating it's possible that Go Daddy's impact could be especially strong with word camps. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>And so, like, you're already thinking about, like, how can we make this happen? Like, you know, if you need to, you know, it's a flight, you know, wherever it is, it doesn't have to be domestic, right? Like, it doesn't have to be in the US. It could be anywhere in the world. And that's, you know, that's like what post-status is thinking. And then GoDaddy is currently working through their process. And I do believe that because of the fact that they have teams around the world, that GoDaddy's reach will also be of, I think, GoDaddy's reach will also extend beyond, like, domestic, you know, like within the US. And they'll be able to provide support as well toward camps, you know, around the world. That I'm anticipating it's possible that GoDaddy's, like, impact could, you know, be especially strong with, um, uh, word camps, like word camp Asia or word camp US or word camp Europe, you know, because they'll have team members there. And when they have team members there, that can help facilitate and smooth the process over for those that they're going to be supporting. But they're working through their processes to make this established as well. And so I think, you know, just by me sharing that, you can tell that, you know, each of, you know, my partners are working within, um, you know, like their business processes and their financial processes and also their vision for impact. And I think that's really important.</blockquote> </details> --- # Episode 161 – A Chat With Matt Mullenweg  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Episode 161 – A Chat With Matt Mullenweg]] - Show:: [[Hallway Chats]] - Owner / Host:: [[Topher and Cate DeRosia]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/12e59dd3-b7bc-4173-b293-8a1fa6b7abed) - Episode publish date:: 2023-01-06 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > Show Notes <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> This episode of Hallway Chats kicks off a new era with a new co-host Nyasha Green! And this week we talk with Matt Mullenweg. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt Mullenweg is co-founder of the open-source publishing platform WordPress, which now powers over 40% of all sites on the web. He is the founder and CEO of Automattic, the company behind WordPress.com, WooCommerce, Tumblr, WPVIP, Day One, and Pocket Casts. Additionally, Matt runs Audrey Capital, an investment and research company. He has been recognized for his leadership by Forbes, Bloomberg Businessweek, Inc. Magazine, TechCrunch, Fortune, Fast Company, Wired, University Philosophical Society, and Vanity Fair.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt is originally from Houston, Texas, where he attended the High School for the Performing and Visual Arts and studied jazz saxophone. In his spare time, Matt is an avid photographer. He currently splits his time between Houston and San Francisco.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt s Site: https://ma.tt <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Tumblr: https://www.tumblr.com/photomatt <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Twitter | @photomatt <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Mike Flanagan s post about No Sleep. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Episode Transcript <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Hey, everyone. My name is Topher. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Hey, my name is Nyasha. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: And this is Hallway Chats. For those of you paying attention, you ll notice that my co-host is not Cate this week. Cate is stepping aside as co-host, and Ny will be joining me as our regular co-host in the future. Ny is the Editorial Director of MasterWP, and a WordPress developer. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Before we get started, I want to say something about our sponsor Nexcess. They have a ton of cool features that I really appreciate. And they re all over the marketing material. But there are some things they do especially well that I want to call out. Things like really good caching, a super great admin panel that lets me do things myself without needing to wait for support, and being able to SSH between staging servers. It s those finely polished edges that I love so much. And right now, they ll buy out your contract with another host, up to $200. So if you re looking for a great host, check them out.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Our guest this week is Matt Mullenweg. Welcome, sir. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Good to see y all. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Good to see you too. When I set this up, I got the time zone wrong because I didn t realize you d be on the West Coast. Are you just hanging out or you got a place over there now?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I m actually right now in the mountains. I m in Montana. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, that s awesome. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Yeah. I really love mountains. Because there s something about the idea of something being so rock solid, building, foundations, the air, you know. I really like mountains.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Something you really can t affect yourself very much. It s just there. All right. So on the off chance that no one knows who you are, who are you?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: My name is Matt Mullenweg. I was born and raised in Houston, Texas, and co-founder of WordPress with a guy named Mike Little. And later I started a company called Automattic, which has now grown to be, gosh, I think about 2,000 people that are around. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: That is amazing to me.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: It s awesome. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: And we make wordpress.com, Jetpack, Tumblr, WooCommerce, Pocket Cast for people looking into podcasts. We re trying to make basically great open web stuff, stuff so good that you choose it because you like it, but then when you choose it, you make the web more free and open. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah, that s cool.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: That is awesome. Can I also say I am a big fan of Tumblr, by the way. I ve been trying to get everyone to go back to Tumblr. I love Tumblr.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I m looking at it at the moment right now. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I love what you people have done. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: So I wear different hats in different years. You know, my role changes a lot. Like when Gutenberg started I was really deep into that. But right now one of the things I m doing is I m directly running Tumblr as a CEO. And that s been really exciting to see this beautiful community and so much creativity thrive. It s been fun to sort of like, as Twitter has its turbulence, to see just droves of users, hundreds of thousands per day come over to Tumblr.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Wow. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: And what we re doing is trying to create a place for them where they can share and find stuff that enriches their life.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Do you have issues of scaling? Like, did you suddenly, Oh, look, we have an extra half million users today. Let s fire up another server. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: We definitely have had some of those. But fortunately, Automattic has been doing a lot of infrastructure for a long time. So we are, I would say, a deep technology infrastructure company. So we re able to absorb quite a bit of additional you know, because we host everything from like small blogs, all the way up to like whitehouse.gov hands-on-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Right. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: so we can handle the very small to the very large. And that sort of security mindedness, network infrastructure, data center, points of presence, everything is definitely coming into play right now when we have this huge surge of interest. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: One of the questions I have here for you is, what does your day to day work look like? What does the CEO of something like Tumblr do? Do you get up in the morning, you sit down at your desk and you code Tumblr?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Well, so right now I m running This changes. So right now I am running wordpress.com and Tumblr directly. In the future, I ll hand those off to other leaders. Right now I m kind of hands-on with them. So that means I m looking at products. We collaborate a lot through P2S, much like make. WordPress, where we, you know, write and read as a primary form of communication.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And I gotta tell you my favorite thing I do, I ve done a couple of these already today, is customer calls or talking to people.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, nice.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Awesome. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: There s nothing better I would say this for anyone listening. Like if your business is stalled, whatever, just, you know, spend some time with your customer to know them and see them in their space. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Someone was screen-sharing with me today like how they manage They were managing like 1,600 sites and they were showing me how they manage all that and use like Jetpack and other things to it. And that was really cool. And it gave me a ton of ideas for how we can make that easier and better. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Auto updates and staged updates and backups and security and brute force protection and logins. There s so many things we can do to make that easier. But there s nothing like really going deep into the weeds with a customer.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: You said call. Does Tumblr do phone support or you-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: No. We do do So I hack I have now that Automattic is now over 2,000 people is with all the leads of the business units to join like one customer call pretty periodically. So like Maiorana who s the CEO of WooCommerce and myself will get together with a customer of WooCommerce and you know, those screenshare show us the admin, show us their orders, talk about what is working well, talk about what isn t working well. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> You kind of have to go high and low. You have to move between like that really, really big picture because you have to sort of zoom out and make sure you re heading in the right direction, that we re making the internet more free and open place that we re like meeting user s needs that were aligning with our organization. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> But you gotta get down to details too. And the details being like, Wow, that button doesn t make any sense, or I was so stuck there. Or you know, the wording of things really, really matters. And so it s a fun dichotomy. But I really enjoy it that sort of pendulum swing between the very, very small details and the really, really wide philosophical aperture. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Cool. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Nice. So Matt, say I get back into Tumblr 2012 when I was on Tumblr, and I m writing fanfiction, again, Game of Thrones, Doctor Who fanfiction, you re telling me like one day I can potentially like hop on the phone with you and talk to you about that?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: You might. Actually, something we do at Automattic is that every person who starts Automattic does two weeks of customer support, then every team rotates to do one week per year of customer support. Again, that s a different version of the same idea which is, like, if something s not working, again, go back to the people-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: That s awesome. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: and try to understand their struggles and their stories. There s nothing more rewarding, especially as a builder, someone who codes or designs or writes things, to see how someone interacts with your work and then iterate based on that. It s really satisfying.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I love it.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Ny, you had a question about AI art. Just throw that out there.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I did. I did. I really wanted to get your opinion on this, Matt. So AI art is popping up everywhere. I think the latest viral craze is Lensa pitchers. How do you feel about the AI art hype that s going on right now?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I think it s pretty incredible. We re almost living in like a sci-fi novel right now. Like we re seeing the early versions of super intelligence is booting up, and we re able to chat with them, with like ChatGPT or play with them with the Dall-E or MidJourney. So think of this as like interacting with the new life form.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, wow. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: It ll send you stuff back, you can interact, you can play, they re learning. I think it s really beautiful because we re able to, you know I m just really excited for what it enables people to do. Because what I think of AI art is that it s not the end state but it s a great starter, right? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> So often you need that kindling, that thing to start the fire, if you re a writer, or musician or something like that. And that generative process of brainstorming and coming up with ideas or trying different things, how cool is that a computer can try 30 things all at once and show them all to you? And then you can kind of browse through and be like, Oh, that They could say that hits different. And you can then iterate based on that. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> What s beautiful about this is that, I mean, basically, the entire history of humanity is us using tools to augment our natural abilities. Whether that s like Topher you re glasses right now, right? That s a tool that was created to augment our vision. There s so much we ve done over time. And I think of these tools as things that will augment our creativity, our ability and our production. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: That s cool.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I like the vision. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Every time I get to talk to you, one of the last things I want to talk about is technology because that s kind of our world. I see what you write, what you say on Twitter, and anywhere, in the news, whatever. But what I see about your travels is one picture every few months on “not on WordPress”. And I m like, What? Is he there right now? Is this an old picture? So I have tons of questions about travel and pictures and stuff. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Sure. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Just the other day you posted one from Iceland. Were you there then or was that an old picture? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Yeah. I post a lot more to my Tumblr. I try to put some of the best stuff on the matt.blog. I ve been posting a lot more to my Tumblr, just also to try out things. I was in Iceland recently and saw the Northern Lights. I don t usually post exactly when I m there. Like I ll kind of time shifts a little bit.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, sure. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: But generally I really enjoy. The Northern Lights for me was a bucket list item. Like literally-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Aren’t they amazing? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: All my life I ve been wanting to have a great experience. And just last week I really, really lucked out. I planned this trip to Iceland and the lights were out in full force. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: That s awesome.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: People from Iceland were like, This is the strongest we ve seen in six or seven years. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, wow.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Wow.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Like the moment we arrived, they were really out there. So the Northern Lights is basically the solar winds interacting with electromagnetic fields with Earth s. It s hard to describe. The pictures don t look real. They look like Photoshop or CGI or something. But once you see it in person, you re like, Wow, it really much like a solar eclipse. Like solar eclipses, Northern Lights, the Southern Lights as well in the southern hemisphere, and things like that, gosh. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Whenever I find that I m like getting a little burnt out or toasty or anything like that, it s usually because I haven t been in nature. And my mom always reminds me of this. She tells me three things. Like, Are you hydrating, are you sleeping, and are you getting out in nature? That s her three-list thing whenever she sees me being a little off-kilter. And I like it because it s just three things.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And usually, if I go down that list, I can find one that I m not doing if I m feeling off. And nature s one of these magical things. Like WordPress, we say it s both free and priceless at the same time. And there s beauty at every scale. So it s fractal. Like there s incredible beauty in like a grain of sand or an acorn, if you like really studied and look at it. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Sunsets, clouds, all of these things we take for granted actually have incredible amounts of beauty because they re sort of made by natural systems, right? So like evolution create things that are naturally pleasing to our eye. And they re very accessible.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Like obviously there s people listening to this all over the world, and like I traveled to Iceland to see the Northern Lights. Whatever it is for you, figure out what is your thing to reconnect you to nature. Look at it right now, touch grass. It s kind of cold outside where I am now so I won t touch grass. But something like that is a really good reset to your system. And I find, especially if I m like responding to people or feel like I m kind of shocked or something.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: I m gonna time shift a sneak peek. Tomorrow s HeroPress Essay, which people hearing this now, that will be a couple of weeks ago is by Anders Norén. And when he was burning out, he started hiking. So this next summer, he s going to hike the entire length of the Swedish mountain range in nine weeks. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Wow. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: And he just can’t get enough.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: That s incredible.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: So you travel a lot. Do you travel mostly because work demands it or because you can and your work allows it? Are you traveling for fun? Like, why are you in Montana? Just because it s pretty? If I may pry? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I find my environment affects me quite a bit. I m very sensitive to what s around me. And so I travel to put myself in different modes to gravely charge myself in different ways. It s like the energy I get from being in New York City, for example, with the art, jazz, the culture, is like, now, can I handle that every day? I don t know. I mean, a lot of people do. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> But as a traveler, you remain the same. But as the background changes, you kind of see yourself in different lights and interact with different cultures, learn different things, hear different languages, try different food. All of this is, I think, enriching your knowledge, helping you understand that just incredible diversity of experiences around the world, giving you appreciation. And then you can start to synthesize which means like take the best parts of other things and combine them. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And I find that innovation always happens at the intersection of disparate things. So when you re able to take If you think about it, actually all the way back to WordPress, WordPress was a blogging system. And I was going to start a different software, I was going to call it Content Press or something, to manage pages. So they d be like the blogs and then they d be like the page software.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And for a variety of reasons, myself and a lot of the developers were like, Let s just put this all in one thing. Which hadn t happened as much before. Like we ll type out some pages. But like WordPress is really leaned into, like, let s have the chronological stuff and the kind of permanent stuff all in one system. And what will that look like? And that worked out really well. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> It s like peanut, butter and chocolate. Whoever thought to put that together the first time, that was a good idea. Sometimes it doesn t work. I tried to do like avocado, peanut, butter or something, there s something And failure is definitely part of the creative process. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> That s also why like, you know, I m not big on like pylons. Like guess what? Automattic is gonna launch things that totally flop. I m gonna say things that are totally dumb. We re gonna make huge mistakes. But that s part of the creative process is that you have to put things out there, try and you can iterate. But if you re not failing, you definitely aren t trying enough.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Right. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Good advice. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: I know you have a reputation as a photographer. You are a photomatt, but I have only ever known you as a software person, company owner, or something like that. How much of your life is photography these days? Like are you the guy who always has one on your hip whenever you go to any country so you can snap anything that pops up or do you like go on specific trips just to photograph or do you just not do it much anymore?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I used to carry a digital SLR camera with me everywhere. It was essentially on my hands. I think there s over 30,000 photos in my ma.tt media library. [inaudible 00:20:16] and post some things. That was really fun. And that whole process of capturing By the way, there s a lot of early WordCamps and WordPress. I was just doing I just shoot wherever I was. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And I like that because it helped me appreciate scenes, like look at things differently. And it also help me remember because my memory is not very good. Like I forget things very easily. So a photo, of course, can immediately evoke like an emotion or like the people that were there or something like that. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Now, in the past 10 years, though, everything s changed. Like my workflow changed. I started to be like less autobiographical, like sharing things in real time as I was doing them. Phones have gotten so good, like the iPhone.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, yeah. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I ve taken photos on there. Actually, the Northern Lights photo I posted on matt.blog, that s an iPhone photo.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, nice.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I was not even like an SLR or anything. And that trip to Iceland was interesting because I brought the camera and the drone and all the stuff. I do enjoy playing with that. And there s like a gadget part of me that just loves the tech side, too. But while I was there, I ended up not pulling it out. So the photo I posted was an iPhone photo.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> I think there were two things. I had some friends that are really great photographers who were there. So I felt like a little bit of the role of photographer was held by someone else. So I was able to release that. But also I just kind of wanted to experience it. Because I think for a long time, you know, a photomatt, part of what I use the camera for was like I was like a security blanket because I love people intensely, like it s my favorite thing, and I m also like car-shy and awkward, uncomfortable with groups and things. And so the camera was like kind of a thing that would allow me to be part of a group, but also like have a little bit of distance.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> I have friends who do this with dogs. Like I have a friend that carries a tiny dog everywhere. The dog is like, you know, draw some of the attention, is like something that helps them connect with others. With the cameras, that too. And then I would send the pictures afterwards. Like there s a whole kind of playing around with it.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> So I m also just trying out to be more present. So that s maybe not being behind the lens or in front of the lens as much, but really just appreciating the phenomenal moments as they pass. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Awesome.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: I ve never had a serious camera. So I ve come to love camera phones. And I feel like they let you have a bit of a middle ground between being in the moment and not. Because I can pull my phone out and snap a picture and put it back in my pocket in four seconds and kind of still be there, you know? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: It s Apple s greatest gift to humanity, the camera on these devices. And at the same time, some of the stuff too. But like Apple, they really push it. It s so incredible. Stuff that I used to have to spend thousands of dollars or like have a tripod or process things for long amounts of times, they just now do. Like when you snap a photo, it s actually taken multiple photos and bracketed them. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Right.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: So Automattic writes about computational photography. This is really, really, really, really powerful. And I think that it s getting better and better. I love that as well. Because then you can just kind of, like you said, snap up moment and not be taken away from it. Because a lot of, you know, streaming think of like a professional photographer of like a studio and lights and everything. Like how much chasing that great from the moment and the photo.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> But you ll be able to I think we re already there and it s gonna get better. You can get that quality of photos from your iPhone now. Like a portrait mode, studio lights, you know, they can take out the background. You could do such incredible stuff. And then we can just enjoy life more. And we have this like infinite cloud storage and sharing. It s pretty great.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Awesome. Matt, I have a question for you. Again, like a brain picker. So I am from a very small town in South Carolina. And while I m not there, I m still close. I am trying to bring WordPress to South Carolina to make it Well, it s there, of course, it s everywhere. But I want to make it bigger. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Our capital is not the biggest tech-friendly place. But just listening to what you said, I really relate to you saying like you re always trying, so am I. I love your ambition and I am not afraid to fail. My first steps are, you know, we re going to have a Columbia, South Carolina WordPress meetup group.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Oooh!<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Yeah, I m very excited. But outside of that, what advice would you give to me, someone who s trying to just take a bigger thing in a smaller place?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Is that I like leading by example. I still do this to this day, you know. Like I come across a small business or something and their website is a little janky, I ll reach out to them and be like, Hey, here s my email. Let me help you fix this. Let me connect you with someone who could fix this. Just that leading by example, that little spark, it works. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And really, it s the whole history of WordPress. Our competitors, like Wix and Squarespace, have spent billions of dollars telling people about themselves. WordPress is really all I mean, it s not marketing, but it s really like all word of mouth. Like, even you saying, like, Hey, you want to do this thing, I got this tool, and here s how you can use it and here s how it can make you awesome. And the more you learn it, the more superpowers you have. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> That s kind of the magic of education and learning and something like WordPress, which is free and open, and accessible. Literally, you can download the code, you can run it anywhere, you can run it on any host, you can run it yourself, you can run it in a web browser now. I m going to talk about that. Like, there s so much you could do that puts a lot of power in your hands. And I love that. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Great. Well, I will be that spark there. I hope we do great things.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: When you do it, also tell that person, Hey, help someone else. It makes it viral.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, yeah. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: So that s like the GPL. The GPL is called a viral license. The beauty of it is that when you teach them how to do it, also say like, Hey, if you enjoyed this, if you see someone else that needs some help, don t think that wherever you are, you can always help someone else. That s how we got started with open-source contributions. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> The predecessor to WordPress was called v2 open-source software. And I just went to the forums to ask for help because I couldn t figure something out. And someone answered my question. And I went back and you knows just kind of go back and say, I went back to ask for help but I saw someone else had asked a question that I already knew the answer to. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> And again, I m like a neophyte. I m like brand new. And so then I just answered their question, not because I was an expert, but because someone answered my question like three weeks before. And so I was able to help. And that was really like the first step on the path that is now WordPress, was that someone that helped me and passed it along. And then that gets you more and more involved in contributing and being involved in helping out.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: We re getting near the end of our time, but I have one more question. Do you have a few minutes? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Yeah.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: All right. So I put this question in as a potential for State of the Word, but it might not get picked, and I don t want to lose the opportunity to ask it. So a strong mantra of WordPress and its general community is own your content . I m curious where Tumblr fits in that philosophy because it appears to be a hosted solution. You can t download a Tumblr client like you can download WordPress and set it up yourself. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> I know it s important to you, to Automattic and so I can t imagine you haven t thought about it. So I m curious to know where you re going with it. How does Tumblr fit in and own your content world. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: It s a good example of like ideals of pragmatism. Switch Tumblr to be WordPress powered. So every Tumblr is a WordPress. Tumblr is so darn big. That is most high year engineering project. You know, Rome wasn t built in a day. So that transition is gonna take probably a few more years even from today. We ve been working on for a few years already.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: But that is a plan to make it so you could have a Tumblr on your own server?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I mean, one thing you can do is look at the I always say vote with your wallet, you know? What are your principles? Whatever kind of world you want to see out there, support the commercial enterprises that share the same values. That s the best thing to do. In the capitalist society, if there s, you know, two different web hosts and one of them contributes a lot back to WordPress and one doesn t, spend your dollars on one that contributes.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah, exactly. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: That will then go back into the system, and that that ll be the world you want to live in. So one thing we ve tried to do with Automattic is have now 17-year history of like open web ideals and everything like that. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Tumblr is a SaaS service right now. It s not open source yet. But we ve said it s going to be and we ve tried to make the data super open. So the API s, you can put your Tumblr into WordPress very easily, you can export all your Tumblr content. So we ve got some pretty good solutions for problematic and practical data portability that it belongs to. I think you need to think about like the values of <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Because we all work with some host or we all work with some organization. So like, do they share your content moderation values? Again, at Automattic and at Tumblr, we try to foster healthy communities, have freedom of speech. So we host a lot of stuff we don t agree with but we also try to be mindful of fostering healthy dialogue, not hateful speech or harmful things. So that s all fine balance, right?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: That it s way more complicated than it seems at first because there s a lot of pieces. I make sure I demonstrate that. And then longer term, we want to support these new protocols like activity pub on top of We re gonna support RSS so things are easy to get in and out. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> We re gonna try and unify the API s. Because when you look at like the APIs for Tumblr, the APIs for wordpress.com, which is basically the same thing as WordPress API, they re doing the same stuff but they re just slightly different XML-RPC calls and things like that. So we re going to merge those and just make it so <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> My hope is that basically Tumblr and wordpress.com, which are the two things I m running right now, they ll be essentially like two different restaurants that share the same kitchen. You have different vibe, different dishes, different experience, different kind of front end experience, but on the back end, you know, same great ingredients, same attention to detail, same infrastructure, same sort of stuff on the back end that makes you to be excellent. Food is actually a good analogy.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah, it is.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: What s better? Italian food or Japanese food? You can t answer that, right? They re different. You sometimes want one, you sometimes want the other. And there are some fundamentals that are same between both. Like you want the food to be clean and healthy and raise well, all that sort of stuff. But the actual preparation, that spices and the presentation, everything, all that d be different. So think of like WordPress and Tumblr are different front ends, the same core, good thing on the back end.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Gotcha. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Well, I m glad. That s exactly what I was hoping to hear. I understand it s a ton of work. You inherited a beast. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, yeah. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: So you can t just Well, you can t treat it like Twitter. All right. We are-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: I don t sort of speak about this on tough times but gosh, we need it. I want Twitter to exist, I love Twitter. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: I know. I love it too.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I love it too. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: But in the meantime, maybe let s have some fun on Tumblr. Get some more WordPress stuff going on there. I ve been sharing some WordPress GBG stuff, which has been kind of fun. It s fun to have just a slightly different space because software has affordances and encourages certain things more than others. Tumblr is pretty fun.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> So I guess since this is a WordPress-heavy audience, I d encourage you, sign up at on Tumblr. Think of this space you could be more creative and free without barely the constraints of having to think of your theme or your content, or you know, code, plugins, whatever. Just post. It doesn t have to be a big post. You could just like reblog something or like share something or remix or add account. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: I don t think I ve seen any repost on What was that? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Reblog my fanfiction. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: That s right. I don t think I ve seen any blog posts on Tumblr ever. It always seems to be a-<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Topher, I ll sent you a post. There was this movie director that wrote this amazing, amazing story about a movie he shot, like a famous movie, which is also part of his journey to becoming sober. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Wow. Nice. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, wow. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: I was like, Wow, this is such an incredible I mean, he s a movie director so he like Maybe we can put in the show notes.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, yeah, absolutely. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: That d be great. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: A good example of like a super long Tumblr. And also, if you haven t heard of it, check out Another example of what s fun on Tumblr is like Have you heard of Goncharov ?<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: No. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: The Martin Scorsese film? <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Oh, yes, I have. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Oh, yeah.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: My daughters are all over it.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Here is Actually, I got it out. Here s the link to that great post by Mike Flanagan. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: All right. Let me get that out of chat before I lose it. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Doctor Sleep. I guess it was like Stanley Kubrick had worked on, he was refilming or something. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah. Excellent. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: This is awesome. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Topher, it was great talking to you. Thank you so much. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah, we ve come to the end. I want to respect your time. I could talk to you forever. I have a good time every time we talk. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Nyasha: Same thing. You re helping my creative process. I appreciate that. Seriously we do.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Talk to you later.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Topher: Yeah. Well, bye. <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Matt: Bye. Take care. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://hallwaychats.com/episodes/episode-161-a-chat-with-matt-mullenweg/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=episode-161-a-chat-with-matt-mullenweg) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [26:14] The Power of Open Source Contributions [🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (26:14 - 28:46)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/386c2872-72f3-46df-b309-f24137217834) <audio controls> <source src="https://media.blubrry.com/hallwaychats/content.blubrry.com/hallwaychats/matt_mullenweg.mp3#t=26:14,28:46"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary The more you learn about WordPress, the more superpowers you have. The beauty of it is that when you teach someone to do it, also say like, Hey, if you enjoyed this, if you see someone else who needs some help,. That's how we got started with open source contributions. And I love that. Well, I will be that spark there. I hope we do great things. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>So, and I, I still do this to this day, you know, like I come across a, a small business or something and their websites to little janky and I'll reach out to them and be like, Hey, here's my email.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Let me help you fix this. Let me connect you with someone who can fix this. Just that leading by example, that little spark, it, it works. And really it's the whole history of WordPress. Like, you know, our competitors like wicks and square spaces have spent billions of dollars telling people about themselves. WordPress is really all, I mean, it's some marketing, but it's really like all like word of mouth.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>It's like human, human, saying like, Hey, you want to do this thing?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>I got this tool and here's how you can use it and here's how it can make you awesome. And the more you learn it, the more superpowers you have. Like, that's kind of the magic of, of education and learning and something like WordPress, which is free and open and accessible, right? Like, there's no, like literally, you can download the code, you can run it anywhere, you can run it on any host, you can run it yourself. You can run it in a web browser. Now I'm going to talk about that and say the word like there's so much you could do that puts a lot of power in your hands. And I love that. Great.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 3</b><br/><br/>Well, I will be that spark there.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>I hope we do great things.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>But when you do it, also tell that person, Hey, help someone else, you know, so that's like the GBL, right? The GBL is called a viral license. The beauty of it is that when you teach someone to do it, also say like, Hey, if you enjoyed this, if you see someone else who needs some help, don't think that, you know, wherever you are, you can always help someone else. That's how we got started with open source contributions. I was at the, you know, the predecessor to WordPress was called B2, open source offer. And I just went to the forums to ask for help because I couldn't figure something out. And so when I answered my question and I went back and I gave it, you know, it was just kind of going back and then I went back and to ask for help. But I saw someone else had asked the question that I already knew the answer to. And again, I'm like a neophyte. I'm like brand new. And so then I just went and answered their question, not because I was an expert because someone to answer my question like three weeks before.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>And so I was able to know.</blockquote> </details> --- # Google Calls A Code Red Over ChatGPT - DTNS 4421  ## Episode metadata - Episode title:: [[Google Calls a Code Red Over ChatGPT - DTNS 4421]] - Show:: [[Daily Tech News Show]] - Owner / Host:: [[Tom Merritt]] - Episode link:: [open in Snipd](https://share.snipd.com/episode/b38e0ab5-6973-403c-bc76-e8c6f624f7fe) - Episode publish date:: 2022-12-22 <details> <summary>Show notes</summary> > As the future of Twitter’s remains clouded Mastodon is benefitting with new users including some big players like Mozilla. But is the distributed social media platform capable of being scaled up and managed effectively? Plus is the future of vertical farming at risk from higher energy prices. The New York Times reports that Google issued a Code red over the rise of ChatGPT. Google CEO Sundar Pichai directed teams in Google’s research, trust, and safety division to assist in developing AI prototypes and products.<br/>> <br/>> Starring Tom Merritt, Sarah Lane, Robb Dunewood, Roger Chang, Joe.<br/>> Link to the Show Notes .<br/>> Become a member at https://plus.acast.com/s/dtns .<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. </details> - Show notes link:: [open website](https://shows.acast.com/dtns/episodes/google-calls-a-code-red-over-chatgpt-dtns-4421) - Tags: #podcasts #snipd - Export date:: 2023-03-21T12:19 ## Snips ### [03:38] FDX Co-Founder Sam Bankman Fried Has Arrived in New York City [🎧 Play snip - 1min️ (02:18 - 03:38)](https://share.snipd.com/snip/bd8c846e-5106-4d6a-936f-ddc83cd58107) <audio controls> <source src="https://sphinx.acast.com/p/acast/s/dtns/e/63a4d0be2dc6ae001141f968/media.mp3?tk=eyJ0ayI6ImRlZmF1bHQiLCJhZHMiOnRydWUsInNwb25zIjp0cnVlLCJzdGF0dXMiOiJwdWJsaWMifQ==&sig=IfI6_m9iWz4De6mCFXdFtxHqczsItoogz48FCGEVnHs#t=02:18,03:38"> </audio> #### ✨ Summary META's latest update to the Quest II headset boosts maximum GPU frequency 7% up from 490 MHz to 529. 525, rather. Most works with current titles, but developers can update their apps to boost resolution as well. Do you think SBF tried to put up his bail in crypto? I have some FTT. Now, they're going to be worth a lot if I win my case. He has charged with eight criminal counts, including fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering. #### 📚 Transcript <details> <summary>Click to expand</summary> <blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>He has charged with eight criminal counts, including fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering, and to put up what, like $250 million in bail. In related cases, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission filed complaints against Alameda researchers XCEO Caroline Ellison, and FTX's XCTO Gary Wang for their roles in alleged fraud that used FTX customer deposits for risky investments made by Alameda. Wang and Ellison both pleaded guilty to related federal charges of multiple counts of fraud themselves.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>META's latest update to the Quest II headset boosts the maximum GPU frequency 7% up from 490 MHz to 529. 525, rather. The headset will automatically increase the frequency if it detects that an app can benefit from it that results in better image quality when using dynamic foveation, for example. Most works with current titles, but developers can update their apps to boost resolution as well.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Do you think SBF tried to put up his bail in crypto?</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 2</b><br/><br/>My first question is, can you bail yourself out of jail? Apparently so.</blockquote><br/><blockquote><b>Speaker 1</b><br/><br/>Second is, can you bail yourself out with crypto? I have some FTT. Now, they're going to be worth a lot if I win my case. I'm just saying.</blockquote> </details> --- Created with [Snipd](https://www.snipd.com) | Highlight & Take Notes from Podcasts